Latest / Financial Survival Network / GOLD TO $6,500: THE CRASH WARNING - Charles Nenner #6418
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- 0:27Speaker 2: Welcome, and this is Financial Survival Network. I'm your host,
- 0:31Speaker 2: Cary Lutz. Charles Nenner is with us now, and we
- 0:36Speaker 2: haven't spoken with you in a while, Charles, but lots
- 0:40Speaker 2: of things going on. We got multiple wars taking place,
- 0:44Speaker 2: and looks like we're hell-bent on going to oblivion here.
- 0:51Speaker 2: What are the markets that you're focusing your attention on
- 0:54Speaker 2: most right now?
- 0:55Speaker 3: Well, we focus on, first of all, we really focus
- 0:58Speaker 3: on our war cycles because they work very perfectly. And
- 1:03Speaker 3: more about that later. We look at everything, the euro,
- 1:08Speaker 3: crude oil, S & P, gold, silver, whatever there is
- 1:15Speaker 3: that we work for our clients.
- 1:17Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.
- 1:20Speaker 3: And special, you know, we have, for instance, let me
- 1:22Speaker 3: see there. is the big hedge funds and they say,
- 1:25Speaker 3: I want to buy stock X. A fundamental show that
- 1:31Speaker 3: is buy. So we can buy it, but as long
- 1:34Speaker 3: as the other investors don't think the same, you don't
- 1:37Speaker 3: make any money. So sometimes you sit happy on that money.
- 1:41Speaker 3: So then we build cycles for them and price targets
- 1:44Speaker 3: so they don't have to spend their money when it's
- 1:46Speaker 3: not moving. So, you know, then when the cycle bottoms,
- 1:49Speaker 3: then they go in because that's when the crowd is
- 1:52Speaker 3: going to follow. It keeps us very busy because a
- 1:59Speaker 3: lot of stocks that everybody's interested in, but for the rest, yeah,
- 2:05Speaker 3: it's the usual stuff. We do that almost every day,
- 2:09Speaker 3: and we show every day how we do it on
- 2:12Speaker 3: the computer, and it's easy to follow.
- 2:16Speaker 2: So, looking at the markets now, and we'll get to
- 2:20Speaker 2: the war cycle like you said, but If we're looking
- 2:22Speaker 2: at gold and silver, they made new highs. Silver hit
- 2:26Speaker 2: 121 and change. Then they pulled back, obviously, silver more
- 2:31Speaker 2: than gold. What is your take on are they heading
- 2:35Speaker 2: for the next leg up? Are we in a consolidation
- 2:38Speaker 2: or what?
- 2:40Speaker 3: We had the cycles down into August. People who are
- 2:45Speaker 3: interested can, now speaking, but I'm not sure if the
- 2:50Speaker 3: guys can handle it, but they can ask for a
- 2:53Speaker 3: chart that was giving out like in last year or so,
- 2:59Speaker 3: and it hit the top exactly at 5,500, and it
- 3:02Speaker 3: said the bottom is in August. So that didn't change.
- 3:06Speaker 3: So there's a major low forming over here, and the
- 3:09Speaker 3: gold price is going up well into next year.
- 3:12Speaker 2: And silver as well?
- 3:16Speaker 3: Silver as well. The gold now looks like 6,500. as
- 3:22Speaker 3: the price target.
- 3:24Speaker 2: And when you think we'll be hitting that? You said
- 3:26Speaker 2: into the fall?
- 3:28Speaker 3: Well, I cannot, on the request of my clients, I
- 3:31Speaker 3: cannot give too many details because what are we paying
- 3:35Speaker 3: for if you say everything on television?
- 3:37Speaker 2: I'm trying to get a freebie out of you here.
- 3:40Speaker 2: Just give me a time range.
- 3:43Speaker 3: Later in the next year.
- 3:44Speaker 2: In the next year. Okay, so nothing has changed in
- 3:47Speaker 2: that respect.
- 3:48Speaker 3: No.
- 3:49Speaker 2: What about oil? Now, oil hit 120 bucks a barrel thereabouts.
- 3:55Speaker 2: Pulled back. It's in the low to mid 80s now,
- 4:00Speaker 2: which the world seems to be able to deal with
- 4:02Speaker 2: an oil price in that range. Is that heading back
- 4:05Speaker 2: up as well?
- 4:07Speaker 3: That is also not right now, but it's also heading
- 4:09Speaker 3: back up one more time.
- 4:11Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. You think it'll it'll make it'll pass or
- 4:15Speaker 2: surpass 120?
- 4:18Speaker 3: Well, 101 is the big target that has to, when
- 4:21Speaker 3: we get through that, anything is possible.
- 4:24Speaker 2: Aha. Okay. And, all right, so the euro, the dollar,
- 4:30Speaker 2: the dollar had been strong. It's been weakening a bit.
- 4:33Speaker 2: Are we going to see another strong dollar move forward?
- 4:39Speaker 3: Well, it looks like a trading range. And, you know,
- 4:43Speaker 3: I'm not a fundamentalist, but what's going on over now
- 4:46Speaker 3: is that The United States is going to run out
- 4:51Speaker 3: of money because they have to supply all those weapons
- 4:55Speaker 3: that they threw over in the Middle East. And they
- 4:59Speaker 3: have to take bigger loans. And I see that for
- 5:03Speaker 3: a while the long bond is going down, which means
- 5:07Speaker 3: its loan rates are going higher. And the problem is
- 5:11Speaker 3: that we show that today that the commodity index cycle
- 5:15Speaker 3: is up. And the Fed fund cycle doesn't show any easing.
- 5:21Speaker 3: And if only we go up half a point on
- 5:25Speaker 3: the Fed funds that cost the United States so much
- 5:28Speaker 3: money and it really starts to be a bit scary.
- 5:31Speaker 3: Things we talked about the last couple of years, but
- 5:34Speaker 3: it's accelerating because of all these wars.
- 5:38Speaker 2: Right. And you don't see... We're going to talk about
- 5:40Speaker 2: the wars in a little bit. So... Is the Euro
- 5:46Speaker 2: going to go up against the dollar, though? Because the
- 5:48Speaker 2: Euro has got its own concerns with the Ukraine war,
- 5:52Speaker 2: the Russia-Ukraine war, which seems to have no end in sight.
- 5:56Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think it's going to be stable.
- 5:59Speaker 3: I said in the beginning that it's going to be
- 6:01Speaker 3: like a 1918 situation when nobody moves, maybe moves 500
- 6:07Speaker 3: meters and then goes back 500 meters. There is no
- 6:11Speaker 3: end to this. I don't think it will have a major,
- 6:14Speaker 3: major impact on the euro. The only caveat is that
- 6:21Speaker 3: some sources that I cannot talk about say that, let
- 6:27Speaker 3: me give you the example. If you give a gun
- 6:29Speaker 3: to your friend and your friend kills me, I guess
- 6:34Speaker 3: you're also liable, right?
- 6:36Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 6:37Speaker 3: Okay.
- 6:38Speaker 2: Well, it could be, yeah.
- 6:40Speaker 3: Okay, so if France and Holland and Germany all give
- 6:44Speaker 3: all these weapons to Ukraine, it's building up in Russia
- 6:48Speaker 3: that they're part of the problem. And it could very
- 6:52Speaker 3: well be that Russia will try to stop them if
- 6:55Speaker 3: there's no other way to stop them. They're playing like
- 6:59Speaker 3: free rights over there and let other people fight, but
- 7:03Speaker 3: it's not so simple because Ukrainians are fighting because the Americans,
- 7:09Speaker 3: they pushed the limit of the NATO to the east
- 7:12Speaker 3: and to the east and to the east. They were
- 7:15Speaker 3: supposed to stop in eastern Berlin and then came Poland
- 7:20Speaker 3: and then came Romania and Czechoslovakia. And so the question is,
- 7:25Speaker 3: I seem to be one of the few people who
- 7:27Speaker 3: say that, if I go to your house and I
- 7:30Speaker 3: put 200 feet from your door, big rockets, Would you
- 7:38Speaker 3: say like the Western Europeans says, well, they have the
- 7:42Speaker 3: right to do it? Or would you say, I will
- 7:43Speaker 3: get rid of it? So I think they are in
- 7:47Speaker 3: their rights to say, guys, get back from our borders.
- 7:52Speaker 3: And that's what Putin said for many years. Don't expand
- 7:57Speaker 3: to NATO too far. And for one reason or the other,
- 8:01Speaker 3: if it's the Pentagon that wants to make money because
- 8:03Speaker 3: somebody has to rebuild later Ukraine, I don't know, to
- 8:09Speaker 3: give a very simple example, I have friends who cannot
- 8:12Speaker 3: send their children to a crash anymore because the money
- 8:17Speaker 3: has to go to the army. The Dutch didn't go
- 8:21Speaker 3: to the army for, I don't know, 50 years. I
- 8:23Speaker 3: think that was one of the last ones. Thank God
- 8:26Speaker 3: they didn't get me in. I played the fool, so
- 8:29Speaker 3: I couldn't. So everybody's totally crazy and everybody thinks they
- 8:36Speaker 3: are in his right. So if you are gonna produce
- 8:40Speaker 3: airplanes that attack Russia, it's like I give you a
- 8:43Speaker 3: gun to kill somebody. And at the moment, Western Europe
- 8:48Speaker 3: should not be surprised.
- 8:51Speaker 2: Not at all.
- 8:52Speaker 3: I think this is gonna happen because I see a
- 8:55Speaker 3: spike up between the 2030 and 32. in the war cycles.
- 9:01Speaker 3: Until then, it seems to be a bit, well, we
- 9:03Speaker 3: can't call it calm because everyday people die. But you know,
- 9:08Speaker 3: like in the First World War, nobody moves and nothing
- 9:11Speaker 3: is going on. Yeah.
- 9:14Speaker 2: It's a little scary there, isn't it?
- 9:16Speaker 3: It's very scary. I don't think Americans understand how scary
- 9:22Speaker 3: it is because I know, and I really know, that
- 9:26Speaker 3: there came immigrants, illegal immigrants, And they had like a
- 9:31Speaker 3: small piece of iron that was checked, let's say a
- 9:37Speaker 3: couple of inches, and the security says, oh, that's nothing.
- 9:42Speaker 3: But what they forgot is if 10,000 people bring it in,
- 9:44Speaker 3: you can make a bond. So it's already in the
- 9:48Speaker 3: United States brought into small pieces. And I don't hear
- 9:52Speaker 3: anybody about that problem.
- 9:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 9:55Speaker 3: So I think from inside the United States it's going
- 9:59Speaker 3: to be a bad situation.
- 10:03Speaker 2: So the war with Iran, how much longer is that
- 10:06Speaker 2: going to go on for?
- 10:07Speaker 3: It's crazy to say forever because the United States cannot win.
- 10:14Speaker 3: The territory over there is like the moon. You cannot
- 10:17Speaker 3: bring in any soldiers. They all get killed over there.
- 10:20Speaker 3: The Iranians, and I know this because I have subscribers
- 10:24Speaker 3: from Iran, they said in 20, 30 years, they already
- 10:28Speaker 3: prepared themselves on the grounds. And it's a joke that
- 10:32Speaker 3: they blow up some riches. And there's absolutely no chance
- 10:38Speaker 3: of taking over. I don't want to take over Iran.
- 10:40Speaker 3: First of all, you know how many people you need,
- 10:43Speaker 3: and everybody gets killed. Same thing with the islands over there.
- 10:47Speaker 3: Nobody can make a move, so it's going to be
- 10:49Speaker 3: more of nothing. And the problem is- The stalemate? Yeah,
- 10:53Speaker 3: the stalemate has to stop because the United States is
- 10:56Speaker 3: running out of weapons.
- 10:59Speaker 2: Well, what about them, though? Aren't they, I mean, yeah. No,
- 11:03Speaker 2: they get from- They have their issues as well, right?
- 11:05Speaker 3: They get from Korea, from China, who knows from where,
- 11:09Speaker 3: and they make their own weapons. So it's going to
- 11:14Speaker 3: be the same situation for a while.
- 11:19Speaker 2: All right. So just more of the same, basically, right? Right.
- 11:23Speaker 3: Okay.
- 11:25Speaker 2: So what other markets should we be looking at here?
- 11:32Speaker 3: We really should be prepared for a big crash in
- 11:36Speaker 3: the stock market next year.
- 11:39Speaker 2: Next year, you're thinking? Yeah.
- 11:40Speaker 3: Next year, and you have the same feeling that you
- 11:47Speaker 3: had in 1927, 28. Nothing can go wrong. It only
- 11:51Speaker 3: goes up. And if you look at the statistics, it
- 11:54Speaker 3: looks exactly like people were thinking over then. And the
- 11:58Speaker 3: cycles for the first time, the yearly cycles, look exactly
- 12:03Speaker 3: as that time frame. So I don't know what's going
- 12:08Speaker 3: to happen. I usually say, If the Dow goes to 5,000,
- 12:11Speaker 3: you know, when Clinton was president, it was 5,000. And,
- 12:14Speaker 3: you know, people still had a normal life. So I
- 12:19Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen. But I continue to warn.
- 12:24Speaker 3: And most of my clients that are there for 30
- 12:28Speaker 3: years at least, they know most of the time they're right.
- 12:31Speaker 2: So they listen.
- 12:33Speaker 3: And the systems that they have, I said, in another program,
- 12:38Speaker 3: there is a company in Switzerland, reliable company that exists
- 12:42Speaker 3: for 200 years. You transfer money to there, they buy gold,
- 12:46Speaker 3: they put it in the safe the same day, and
- 12:50Speaker 3: you have your gold in a safe. Now, if you
- 12:52Speaker 3: want it to disappear, for tax reasons or whatever, that's
- 12:56Speaker 3: none of my business, you just take it out and
- 12:59Speaker 3: you get a safe somewhere else, and then nobody knows
- 13:01Speaker 3: where it is. Right. Very rich under us are doing
- 13:05Speaker 3: that all the time. Mm-hmm.
- 13:08Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 13:09Speaker 3: So everybody's preparing himself.
- 13:13Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you need to be prepared. So what about
- 13:16Speaker 2: Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies? Do they play a role in this
- 13:21Speaker 2: as well?
- 13:22Speaker 3: No, I think the enthusiasm is over. I think we've
- 13:26Speaker 3: seen the high and nothing's going to happen and then
- 13:29Speaker 3: it goes down and then it will disappear. Okay.
- 13:33Speaker 2: But so gold and silver is really what you need
- 13:36Speaker 2: to be focusing on then. And so the war cycle
- 13:40Speaker 2: just keeps going like this till 2032, huh?
- 13:44Speaker 3: Well, with an explosion in the late 20s.
- 13:49Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, that's crazy. But yeah, I guess
- 13:53Speaker 2: how long are the Russians just going to sit around
- 13:56Speaker 2: and take it, right? Doesn't it come down to that?
- 13:59Speaker 3: Yeah, but the problem is the United States doesn't even
- 14:02Speaker 3: have enough weapons left to fight China or whoever was
- 14:05Speaker 3: going to attack them. It's a crazy situation.
- 14:08Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
- 14:10Speaker 3: So they didn't really think about it. And then we
- 14:13Speaker 3: have this whole situation in the Middle East with Israel
- 14:16Speaker 3: and Syria and Turkey starts not to be Turkey, starts
- 14:19Speaker 3: to be like an enemy of the NATO. They do
- 14:21Speaker 3: their own thing and they want to attack.
- 14:22Speaker 2: It appears, yeah.
- 14:24Speaker 3: Everything is out of order. We don't have any strong leaders.
- 14:28Speaker 2: Yeah, that's unfortunate for sure. So where are you supposed
- 14:33Speaker 2: to go? What are you supposed to do in this
- 14:36Speaker 2: situation here?
- 14:37Speaker 3: Well, it's really not, I never believed in holds, in
- 14:42Speaker 3: buy and holds, because my experience is that if, I
- 14:46Speaker 3: give an example, if you buy gold at 4,000 and
- 14:50Speaker 3: it goes to 3,000, you say, I'm there for buy
- 14:52Speaker 3: and holds. Now, once it goes to 1,500, you don't
- 14:54Speaker 3: sleep anymore and you sell out and you always... This
- 15:00Speaker 3: is really a time not to hold. You have to
- 15:05Speaker 3: hedge it. In order to hedge it, you have to
- 15:08Speaker 3: do a little bit of work with our cycles and
- 15:10Speaker 3: price targets because hedges run out of time to show
- 15:14Speaker 3: you have to know exactly when the cycle tops and
- 15:17Speaker 3: you have to defend your portfolio.
- 15:20Speaker 2: So you think Gold 6,500. Could it go higher than that, Charles?
- 15:25Speaker 3: That's a target I have now. What I also want
- 15:27Speaker 3: to mention is that I'm very worried about the housing
- 15:29Speaker 3: market because we were already very short on Toll Brothers
- 15:33Speaker 3: and Lenar, and I think they came down 50% and
- 15:37Speaker 3: then we covered something. And I always say the insiders
- 15:42Speaker 3: always buy stocks. Let's say the insiders buy oil stocks
- 15:46Speaker 3: and not oil, and the insiders buy shares of... of
- 15:52Speaker 3: corporations who were builders instead of selling the houses themselves.
- 15:58Speaker 3: And this is down 50%. We had the same thing.
- 16:01Speaker 3: Whoever wants to see it on my website in 2006,
- 16:04Speaker 3: I warned Becky then. I was on CNBC and I
- 16:08Speaker 3: was laughing about it because I saw the stocks were
- 16:13Speaker 3: down 70%. How can nothing happen if stocks... you know,
- 16:18Speaker 3: of the builders are down 70%. So they follow afterwards.
- 16:23Speaker 3: So nobody seems to be worried because the outsiders, let's
- 16:26Speaker 3: say the small investor, is not watching those stocks.
- 16:31Speaker 2: Really? So you think oil, though, looks pretty good?
- 16:36Speaker 3: Well, not right now, but yeah, it will go up
- 16:38Speaker 3: one more time.
- 16:40Speaker 2: All right. I can buy that. All right. So any
- 16:43Speaker 2: other markets? We're looking food, you know, commodities that we
- 16:49Speaker 2: should be focusing on?
- 16:51Speaker 3: Well, the commodity index is turning up again and the
- 16:55Speaker 3: foods look okay. Not terribly good, but in order to
- 16:59Speaker 3: make a profit, it's okay. There's a lot going on
- 17:03Speaker 3: with the yen because everybody used the yen to hedge
- 17:07Speaker 3: and it has been kind of volatile. So it's hard
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- 17:27Speaker 3: continue to get it. But at least you see how
- 17:30Speaker 3: the big investors invest their money, not the way that
- 17:33Speaker 3: you hear in the media and in the newspapers. Because
- 17:37Speaker 3: like Mr. Buffett said, I've never seen a financial journalist
- 17:41Speaker 3: who's a billionaire. Yeah.
- 17:45Speaker 2: And that's so true, isn't it?
- 17:47Speaker 3: Yeah, but we still listen to them.
- 17:50Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that'll teach you, right? All right. So, hey,
- 17:55Speaker 2: just tell us your website again. It's nenner.com, correct? N-E-N-N-E-R?
- 18:01Speaker 3: I think it's my first name. I made a promotion
- 18:04Speaker 3: because it's now King Charles, so it's charlesnenner.com.
- 18:09Speaker 2: All right. Well, the link is in the show notes
- 18:11Speaker 2: to this interview. on FinancialSurvivalNetwork.com. And yes, it is CharlesNenner.com.
- 18:19Speaker 2: And as always, we appreciate you coming on. If you've
- 18:21Speaker 2: got a question for Charles, myself, shoot me an email,
- 18:24Speaker 2: but go get his trial subscription. I promise you, you're
- 18:28Speaker 2: going to be happy that you did and you'll become
- 18:30Speaker 2: a subscriber because cycles, everything goes by cycles, seen it
- 18:35Speaker 2: over and over again. And the only guys who call
- 18:38Speaker 2: these markets right are guys like Charles and who are
- 18:42Speaker 2: looking at the cycles. Right.
- 18:45Speaker 3: And if you want to know that cycle that we
- 18:47Speaker 3: showed last year, that gold would top and go down
- 18:50Speaker 3: into August, then send an email and I'll ask the
- 18:53Speaker 3: guys if they can send it to you.
- 18:55Speaker 2: All right. Beautiful. Yeah, you've been right on the money.
- 18:58Speaker 2: Appreciate you coming on, Charles. And we will talk to
- 19:00Speaker 2: you soon.
- 19:02Speaker 3: Okay. I hope we have a better time soon.
- 19:04Speaker 2: Let's hope that the cycles are wrong for once, but
- 19:08Speaker 2: don't go betting your life savings on it.
- 19:10Speaker 3: No, no. I won't count on it.
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