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Dawes Welcomes Inner Critic, Says "No, Thank You" To The Comment Section · Basic Folk

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[SPEAKER_04]: We are so excited to kick off our interviews at C series with Dawes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have the chance to talk to brothers Taylor and Griffin Goldsmith aboard the KAMO crews during its 18th voyage in March, 2026 in front of a packed audience.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The guy has been performing as Daw's since 2009.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The band has been a duo since their 2024 album, Oh Brother.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the goldsmiths have been singing and playing together their whole lives.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Inspired by their musician father Lenny Goldsmith, who toured as the lead singer of Tower of Power in the 80s, Taylor was never told that it was hard to play guitar or sing, so he just did it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He knew we wanted to be a professional musician.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about the ways that his musical career had turned out in ways that he had not expected.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We also touch on how their singing has evolved over the course of their lives together.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Both Taylor and Griff are fathers, so we of course ask about the freedom that comes with priorities changing in their lives in careers as well as what toys they may have regretted ever letting their kids have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One thing that has been following does around for the past year is the aftermath of the January 2025 Eaton Fire, both brothers and their parents suffered immense loss due to the fire that swept through Altadina destroying thousands of homes and causing over 30 deaths.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Griffin's son was born two weeks after the fire a month early.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Dawes became the musical face of the Los Angeles fires with the emotional performance Sunchimi Kimmel, the opening of the Grammys with Randy Newman's I love L.A. along with the supergroup featuring Cheryl Crowe, Brad Paisley, Brittany Howard, St. Vincent, John Legend.
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[SPEAKER_04]: they get into what the experience taught them about healing and getting to that place where this tragedy does not define them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We hear a bit about Taylor's love of collecting first additions and his fear of the comment section.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We also wrap up with a very fun which one lightning round.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One thing to note if you are not aware Taylor Goldsmith's wife is the actress singer and
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[SPEAKER_04]: Which is important to know because we love Mandy Moore.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is the Mandy Moore fan club We proclaim it on stage and we mean it before we get into the interview Let's listen to a clip from Doz's latest album from 2024.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They are working on a new one But no details on any kind of release on that yet, but we'll check out this one strangers sometime from 2024's Oh brother, then we'll get to Doz on basic folk
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was get up for obscurity Excited most specifically But I don't know when you'd soon reach me And I'd be gone You always took me to another place You barred childhood part of her space But the naked truth of our face to face It's just not what I want
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're still straight in some times We're still straight in some times Given that you claim that you can't remind We're still straight in some times We're still straight in some times
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[SPEAKER_04]: Good morning, everybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to coffee chats with Basic Folk.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm Cindy House.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm Lizzy No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we host a podcast called Basic Folk.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're so excited to be here.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And under those seats are the keys to a brand new Kia Sorrento.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I had this really amazing joke I wanted to tell last night, but I felt too shy about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How about you tell it now?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought I would tell it now amongst friends.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, I have a question for everybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How is your semester at C going?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really glad you really went for it creatively.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are here today to talk to the Dawes boys, so we should bring him out on stage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's welcome Taylor and Rick and Goldsmith.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Hey y'all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome aboard.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for having us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How was your semester at Sea going?
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[SPEAKER_07]: So far so good, I got a little, I got a little boozey right when we took off yesterday, like minutes before our set.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But then, but then we got right on for 45 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So dumb, dumb.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, great, I got it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rock and roll.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we keep texting the crew guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you guys had a chance to make sure everything's working, we haven't heard back yet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So cool, we're excited to talk about the band, talk about the last record.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the band is now a duo of brothers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's you, Taylor Griffin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you released your last album in 2024 titled Obrother.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And on that album, Taylor's playing most of the songs with Griffin on drums and background vocals.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And one thing that does is known for are these sweet, sweet harmonies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, over the course of your lives, what has singing with each other looked like, and how is it different now?
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I guess this is maybe a little but now, but it's something that we
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[SPEAKER_07]: We've been doing so long, I don't actually remember.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You know, our father's in the musician, and the best singer he makes, I wish I could sing like him.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He's incredible, isn't he?
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[SPEAKER_07]: He's actually graced this boat.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if anybody saw it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think it was really, oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_07]: All right, everyone saw him too.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He's hard to forget if you've met him once, you certainly remember him.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But we sang our whole lives, it seemed like,
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, I guess like, formally, I kind of remember, I remember us around maybe like when I was 13 and he was probably graduating high school.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That's kind of when I formally remember like actually learning about harmony singing and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it wasn't like, you know, we definitely had to learn certain aspects of theory as things went on of like, oh, well, if it's a major two core, then that person has to do some different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But beyond the little tweaks like that, it was introduced to us as something that you just do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it never felt like something you learned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as the years went on and people would like, we'd meet other musicians.
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[SPEAKER_02]: we would just be doing our thing and people would say like oh wow you guys don't want to do that and we would kind of look up like we didn't realize that it was something you had to like figure out like it we we never had to like kind of drop into the third or the fifth thing it would just something that happened rather than rather than um
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[SPEAKER_02]: rather than us having to like work at it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't mean to say like, you know, we know something anybody else would and it was just when somes introduced it such a young age just feels an eight and and I guess we have our dad to thank for that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think, all right, Ellen, you great singer has sort of a, like, somatic consciousness beyond knowing and learning to sing before you have conscious memories is like a great way to get there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like no one told me that it's hard to play guitar and sing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And therefore, it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I, even when I was a real back guitar player and just singing and other guitar players like, oh, man, I'm really still trying to learn how to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, like, nobody put it in my head that that was a hurdle.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So the band being a duo was the big news in 2024 and there's a lot of other big news that has gone on with you as a band and as a family which we will get two later.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm curious how the shift to dolls being primarily a duo has affected your brother relationship for both of you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's been great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like we we in the past, you then we would love the dudes we used to play with, um, but, you know, when there's the more people that are in a room, making a decision, the more
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[SPEAKER_02]: but with the more opinions to navigate, whereas Griffin and I were always pretty much a block.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was always kind of like, sure you want us to do that work, we're there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or we need to make, we need to decide where we're gonna make the record or who we're gonna make it with or whatever, like it was always pretty much in line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now that there aren't any, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say like dissenting opinions, but now that there's not a larger number of opinions, we're just able to get to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I also think, again, I celebrate and love the years as a quartet, and I'm grateful for what that did to the sound of the band.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of bands that we love have this kind of mobility, have this like whether it's Steely Dan or
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[SPEAKER_02]: or dire straits or the cure or this opportunity to let the personnel change it, not change it, but just influence it and while at the same time retaining a sense of identity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like I said, we love the records we made as a group as a quartet, and now I feel like
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been afforded this rare opportunity of like a new chapter and a lot of artists don't don't have that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of, they make do with like this, the stain on that same path.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like that this is that the story keeps changing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'll add that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like communications key obviously in all things in life and
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[SPEAKER_07]: Because the four of us, and we were running the operation like democratically, if you will, there was a lot of, yes, yes, yes, and you're just letting everybody express themselves, and you want everybody to feel represented, yet there's still a vision to be retained in most cases.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like, uh,
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[SPEAKER_07]: being able to disagree is actually much more constructive than just like yeah that sounds cool you do you think so our ability to you know disagree with each other and with good intentions and not let it get offensive has been huge I think yeah I mean I think I think literally like all all I think a lot of progress is born from that and
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[SPEAKER_05]: Y'all should go to Congress, have you thought about taking this creative partnership?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just decide now who's on what side of the aisle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Create a little bit of tension.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get some things done.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Infrastructure done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Debating in good faith.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'd be like, all right, to talk about Lenny a little bit more, um, it seems like Taylor, you always wanted to be a singer because your dad was a singer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember when I was a kid, people would always constantly be asking me, what do you want to be when you grew up?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And your answer was like, I want to be a singer.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And when I finally figured it out, I was 12 years old, and people would ask me, what do you want to do?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I would say, I want to work in radio.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Cindy, that's precious.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And here you are, but it's a little different, you know, I, I work in radio, but it's different than I thought it would be.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And even though you are a singer and have made this childhood dream come true, there still must be like concessions or letting go of certain aspects of that dream.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So like, what has letting go look like for you when it comes to shaping what your career has been like?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a cool question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, yeah, I think anybody that that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: doing what they want, or not, like they're constantly in negotiation of how to accept it for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a hard thing to talk about because it could slip into perceived ingratitude really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that's tea.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is a gay podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so like for me to be like, well, I didn't get to do that like sitting where I'm sitting, having gotten do the things I did get to do is can be dicey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And but at the same time like I think that voice, that energy is essential to anyone who's ambitious about anything, you are going to have a voice that says like, well, like
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[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't get to play that size venue and you didn't get this many streams or sales or whatever and so I Welcome that voice in a way that I used to feel like I needed to shut off for the sake of my
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just happy to be here, energy, but at the same time, I need to be mindful of how wonderful it all has been at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I also think like anybody's trip, but whatever they do, it's like this kind of lesson and showing you who you are in ways that you weren't even conscious of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think nobody, I never thought about the fact that
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[SPEAKER_02]: we're doing this on our terms in our way and like this is how we like to write set lists and this is how we like to make records and this is how we like to focus on appealing to this amount of people like it just was never a thought we just did whatever we wanted and and then now looking back it's like oh wow we really do
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[SPEAKER_02]: embody a certain definition of independent artist or like even yesterday saying on stage like we're going to do we're going to do no repeats for our kia mo trip like it's not it's it's probably it's not what like
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what the big star would do, but it's also just who we've always been and it feels very natural to us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's been a long journey and just accepting ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and, yeah, I mean, like when I can really zoom out, it's only something to be proud of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they'll always be of any of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't make it to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There will always be a festival.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't,
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[SPEAKER_02]: get asked to play, let alone a headline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's just gonna be the trip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And from one I can gather, that's literally every musician's trip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you see, I was talking to a friend who's in one of the biggest bands in the world and I'm like, oh wow, this 18,000 person venue, like, you play here and he was like, yeah, but last record, it was three nights, and this time it's just one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, well, sounds like, sounds like we suffer from the same disease in very different ways.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You are both fathers, which we are bringing up because this podcast recently celebrated the birth of our very first baby, Ms. Francy Marie, who is with us today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we read a quote from the real headliner.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Francy Marie is the real headliner.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We read this quote from you, how do we model for our kids?
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[SPEAKER_05]: What it means to do what you love and to be resilient and to work harder to the extent that you're able to.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I want them to be proud.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That matters to me more than anything now.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It sounds like there's a real freedom that comes from sort of shrinking your audience down to the little person in front of you who's diapers your changing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Can you guys speak to the freedom that comes with that shift in perspective of fatherhood?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't change what's important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It changes why it's important and and I think like
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think being able to do it through their eyes of the idea of, like, we're, you know, we recently got offered to do something that's going to take us out of town for a longer chunk of time than we had anticipated and my impulses to be like, no, no, no, I have to be home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously we managed that and we make sure that we are of present fathers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We want them to grow up in a life where they think like, well, the dad did his thing and not to the, not to the dismissal of their responsibilities as parents, but just they, you know, they, they, they, they, they stood in their own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: choose like they they they they they were resilient did what they do and that has shown me how to eventually feel the same way about myself and put put that but make make that a priority not the first priority but make it a priority because you don't want to lose yourself and I remember talking to a musician he's a lot younger than me
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he was like, yeah, you know, my dad was wanted to be an actor and like, and then it didn't work out and because he had me and then he stopped and I don't I resent that and it was definitely intense so like whoa whoa whoa whoa your dad literally gave up his dreams to be a dad for you, but I also understand what he's saying in terms of that kind of pressure that it creates it's a big shadow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so like, like, I think it's imperative for our kids to feel like our parents didn't give up their lives for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were able to do both things at once, so that the kid is not like pressured.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think about that a lot, actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what he had said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it sounded in the moment, it sounded pretty intense, but like the more I've thought about it, I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's important to love and accept your parents, but I also do understand where or who is coming from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's tough to be making decisions that are going to be judged or weighed like 20, maybe 30 years from now, you know, and
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[SPEAKER_07]: playing this long game.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's like I'm doing obviously what I have to do and it's, in some sense, it's just not negotiable.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's what I have to do and that really need to go do my job to make sure that my kid can afford X, Y, and Z.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And on the other hand, I like Taylor Sam, I want to model what it looks like to be devoted to something and showing him that they're straight off.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's like I don't expect him to understand for a very long time that I...
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[SPEAKER_07]: I hated being away from him.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't like I did the it wasn't that I love my job so much that it's all good I get you know, I get to I get to play music and so therefore I'm having the best time and I am and I do feel fortunate in that way But you know, obviously the other side of that is I'm I'm spending a weekend away from my baby
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[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, yeah, it's just tough, it's in so many ways it's the most, and it's the first and the most selfless thing I think we all do, and one aspect of that is, um, is that yeah, this, this, uh, these concepts aren't going to be wrestled with for a very long time, if at all.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so it's like, I, I, I, I, I think, um, it's kind of a mute point in some ways because I don't.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not sure that what he's going to get out of this or what is going to be what I intend to do or that anything that I'm doing on this set of my careers is actually going to influence his decisions positively and negatively.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's a struggle.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's trade-offs.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And the other hand, it's the greatest gift is any parent and you won't tell you so can't really complain at all.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's play a quick and light-hearted game about regret.
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[SPEAKER_05]: What's one toy you each regret giving your kids?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Just one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of those.
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[SPEAKER_07]: There's a miss, oh actually my mom has your game and there's a miss Rachel like Teddy that sings that I absolutely love.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He loves it and it's like what we're changing his diaper and he's really fussy So we just whatever you know, you got throw whatever you can at the situation Thing always works, and it's yeah, it's a it's a brutal I don't mean not you being haunted by Ms. Ray She said her voice up like it got you past this register that really just Right, it's like in the least says is the deep recesses of my ear canal
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a, it's a case by case thing like we were just at the park and, and they have wanted what someone was selling those bubble things where it makes the really giant bubble, and so I'm like running around making these huge bubbles and, and all three of the kids are, are chasing it, our one-year-old isn't getting to pop anything of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, and then like it's fun, it's fun, and then eventually like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: someone's not getting to pop enough and then everyone's hysterical.
23:39
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh no, you set yourself up for a possible stand-up.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like this is like, it's just a $3 bubble stick and now everyone's like on the ground freaking out.
23:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, so, so it's moments like that where I'm like, bring it to Congress.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Try to create a moment and I and I succeeded.
23:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, what is one like movie or book or thing from your childhood that you've tried to share with your kids that they couldn't have cared less about?
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[SPEAKER_07]: My kids too, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He's one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
24:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Pass.
24:10
[SPEAKER_07]: All of it.
24:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, I'm starting to get wind of it now.
24:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, I'm, I'm, like, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Reading like 10 pages a night and um for them and it's exciting to get away from the picture books and exciting to get into a story that's more like Long-winded and and on my five-year-olds loving it and the other night And my three-year-old is like kind of getting there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a little bit like what are we doing right now?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And and the other night I was I was reading and I was and I was looking at the three-year-old who's like sitting up looking at me like
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is this gonna be over, I just wanna go to bed?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, but I knew that it meant a lot to my five-year-old he keeps asking about it and I was like, okay, I mean, I just still think it's good for the little guy.
25:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like, gets him in the rhythm of it.
25:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And then after like five pages, I was like, Gus, he's the older one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you liked that part?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, and then I realized he'd been asleep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was just reading.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just reading.
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just reading.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To just one pissed off three-year-old, look at it anyway.
25:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we doing this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh no, that's great.
25:29
[SPEAKER_04]: So lots of people may know about this, but in January 2025, both of you and your parents suffered immense loss due to the eating fire that swept through Altadina.
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[SPEAKER_04]: all of this stuff happened and it was like the most stressful times of your lives.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You are coming out of this situation saying this doesn't shape who we are or shape our relationship with the world.
25:56
[SPEAKER_04]: So what has this experience taught you about healing or getting to that place where this tragedy does not define you?
26:05
[SPEAKER_07]: It's talking that the horizon for these things is very long, I don't think that it's, you know, we get this question a lot, like, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, it's a tough one to, or how are you in regards to all of that?
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[SPEAKER_07]: And it's tough one to even answer, because I'm,
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's complex.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm both things, you know, I'm I'm I'm simultaneously okay and also like still pretty Racked in certain ways if I if I you know think about it or approach it in certain ways.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think it's it's we're gonna live in the shadow a bit for a long time and it's it's hard to explain To folks could mainly because it's just boring when you get into the details of lending or whatever How pervasive it is and you know you know At this point my son was born two weeks later.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He came in month early presumably because of stress and
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so I was in this place of like, wow, I just lost everything, but also I had just gained the world, you know, and so it wasn't, it made it, it was equal parts like horrible timing on his part and also the best timing, because it kind of just reframe the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's like suddenly I care a lot less about the, you know, the lifetime collection of instruments of Austin.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That's not it afterthought.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, it's a long process and I do feel defined by it in a lot of ways, but not necessarily in a negative sense.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's just not something you're going to forget.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's just something that needs to be integrated into every aspect of your life.
27:51
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, there's one other thing I was going to say about this.
27:58
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you got it, you got it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just yeah, like in terms of whatever we said about like not letting it become like defining us like I found I think we both found very early that we were very
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[SPEAKER_02]: uncomfortable in this role of perceived victim, you know, like when we would see friends and they'd kind of give us this wide-eyed look or this long hug and like very, very sweetly would like, are you okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I'm thinking of you, like, it was surprisingly uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to just shake that off immediately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I'm going to get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And part of that is my own denial or my inability to confront things that are that I need to process.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of it is just feeling like this is actually my way of dealing with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is my way of moving forward, not meaning to ignore it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But just to, there's a difference between not ignoring it and then wallowing it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like how do I do both, how do I not wallow, but how do I not ignore it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's always a spectrum, but then also, you know, my kids are, my, my,
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[SPEAKER_02]: two of my millions of kids are older than Griff's newborn at the time and watching them able to, you know, of course they weren't as we tried to not let them be as aware of it as we were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't really want to like have to put that on them to have to process.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course they did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but but we really tried to manage that but in that whole experience when we're freaking out about calls with insurance or or it talks at reports or what all this stuff wouldn't you have a little kid being like dad let's play with our dinosaurs you just realize like that is a path of for today anybody and and and actually that's the best thing I could be doing right now for him so like
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[SPEAKER_02]: being in the present moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they can be there, then I need to meet them, they need me there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a constant reminder of like, oh, wow, this is exactly where I need to be what I need to be focusing on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they can show this kind of resilience, then that means we can, and we have to, like, if we wanted to meet their energy, rather than force them to meet ours.
30:29
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we're gonna have to, oh, side-in-er-up.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Just gonna piggyback on on, say that every day, presents a new opportunity to perceive how this is affected us.
30:41
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, it's so much of the, for my wife, especially, it's so much of the trauma is kind of baked into what we thought things were gonna be like, it's the boss is what,
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[SPEAKER_07]: didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So it's weird to be mourning this future that was aborted like in it's because that who knows what it would have been like anyway, but a lot of you know, whether it's child care or the fact that we were all us and our parents were all within a mile each other.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_07]: And we have two sets of best friends within a few blocks.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And all these things that aren't necessarily guaranteeing an easy path, but nonetheless, play into the fact that that's part of what we're mourning is the loss of the situation we had created for ourselves, especially in the wake of the child being born.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, it's so anyway, it's ever developing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It feels like every day.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It feels like every day there's something else to mourn in that sense.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But also the practice of taking stock of how actually fortunate we are relative to other people's experiences.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think like in any case is important and illuminating.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, people are really struggling and by relation we're not
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[SPEAKER_07]: here we are, you know, we were okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I mean, we're extremely fortunate and, you know, I think like a life of privilege has helped us land on our feet much more quickly than a lot of folks did and so yeah, not losing sight of like how much more tremendous the losses in the
32:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Now you've talked a bit about how your son coming a month early, put you in a position of letting your family and friends step into help, set up the nursery, all of these things where you were in an unexpected situation.
32:53
[SPEAKER_05]: What has your relationship been like with accepting help?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Both of you, how have you worked on it?
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's not, it's definitely not inherent to me to be like, you know, it's, I think I'm used to life being a little bit more transactional and I might be due to the fact that I've been working, I've been on tours since I was kid and so that's kind of what I've known.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's incredible how much people want to step up and give their time, you know, any whatever they can to help.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think in that way, it's been overwhelming and amazing to learn.
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[SPEAKER_07]: How big the community is and how willing they you are to to help when you know the going gets rough so yeah, it's been it hasn't been exactly easy for me to just be like you know
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[SPEAKER_07]: taking a hand out or whatever, but it's been so necessary, I don't think that we would be in this situation.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think we would be remotely okay if it wasn't for the community rallying around us.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And the Dawes family, especially in the wake of it, I mean, it's truly like, it's, yeah, I mean, I can't express my gratitude.
34:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just I guess like when when people would reach out to help in any capacity, it just it helped me it was nice to just feel
34:32
[SPEAKER_02]: seen in that way because in this age of social media and stuff, it's so easy to like say anything about the fire and see some comment of someone like, can you just buy another house?
34:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You're fine.
34:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a lot of that, especially because my wife is like more of a public facing person and everyone's like, she's fine.
34:49
[SPEAKER_02]: What are we talking about?
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was just, it got pretty hateful, even.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And
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[SPEAKER_02]: while it's two things of once.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like while they're not wrong that we are fortunate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't mean that it wasn't traumatic and it wasn't scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And even for the reason they would never understand nor would it be appropriate to even share with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not gonna chase down every mad comment and try to, like, in case why you're wrong.
35:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
35:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, like, it just, it was nice to feel like people understood that this is hard for anybody.
35:28
[SPEAKER_02]: But then also it was an opportunity for us to, like,
35:31
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, put the concert together that we did, where we raised, I think it was, it didn't have been like a million dollars for it.
35:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that's right.
35:37
[SPEAKER_02]: All to Dina.
35:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Griff's right, there's a lot of people that are dealing with so much war situation, so many people in homes that their families had owned for so long that they didn't need to have fire insurance.
35:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they were, they're truly lost with with with no path other than like this lawsuit that the government's not stepping in to forced off or closures, I mean, it's really ugly.
36:02
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a big issue of like black justice today for those families to be restoring their homes.
36:09
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, Los Angeles times about a mess, a mess is name up with the lawyer crump.
36:16
[SPEAKER_07]: He's fake.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's probably not right.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Ben crump.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He's very famous for dealing with like lawsuits involving racial injustice.
36:25
[SPEAKER_07]: He's him and his team are looking into whether or not these evacuation.
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[SPEAKER_07]: orders being sent out late to West Altina, which is where I was.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't get in the evacuation more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we didn't get what we got in the evacuation.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But those are historically black neighborhoods because that part of Altina wasn't red-mind, whereas a little bit further east was, I think, yeah, right.
36:47
[SPEAKER_07]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So I guess they're probing into the racial underpinnings of any of this.
36:54
[SPEAKER_07]: It is good for sure.
36:57
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's good.
36:57
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that that's so heartbreaking is that this is one of the last All right from what I can tell this and tear my drain some of these mountain towns in Los Angeles here Some of the last like generational neighborhoods and what was so cool about all to Dina and what you know Oracle cohort was changing unfortunately
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[SPEAKER_07]: was how diverse it was.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And, and therefore, like these these black families have been there for generations and have been able to accumulate like wealth in a way that like that isn't as easy for for them in other neighborhoods.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So,
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, anyway, it's it's truly just tragic.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's there for even worse because these are the families enough to and in a lot of cases that weren't didn't have them insurance because the loan didn't they didn't have a loan that forced them to and and also the house hadn't it been around for a year.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So why would we, you know, ensure it when it's that hasn't burned down yet.
37:53
[SPEAKER_05]: It's good to remember that American history is happening in our neighborhoods right now, and we have the ability to be more conscious of what our neighbors are going through.
38:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Even as we're struggling to get ahead ourselves, it's great to know that you guys are looking out for your neighbors beyond your own immediate circle.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that's what moves us forward.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It is an opportunity to do just that.
38:21
[SPEAKER_07]: the benefit was like in some ways I think it was like the most important show you've ever played.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean it's never that black and white where we play and then all of a sudden someone has helped to build their house.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You know like it's usually what we offer is maybe more of a catharsis or something that's more abstract but hopefully beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah this was very rare in that sense
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[SPEAKER_07]: glass half empty part of me that's like yeah this is amazing that we were able to do this and but on the other side it's kind of like illuminating that this is gonna rebuild a few houses hopefully at this and this will be like the potted versions of these houses
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[SPEAKER_07]: And there's why I think 8,000, you know, that need to be rebuilt in all the Dino loans.
39:12
[SPEAKER_07]: So I got it around there.
39:14
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, it's also just like, wow, the, the immensity of the problem comes raring back, and I also just think that to your point, it's, it's important.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I don't, this can't be said enough, but to,
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[SPEAKER_07]: Continue to remind anybody that's looking or caring that like the problems have just begun there in a lot of ways the fire was the beginning the rebuilding process has somewhat started some people were able to expedite their situation and that's awesome so there are a couple houses here and there largely it hasn't and I am you know I have friends that are now like getting into the lending process.
39:53
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, and it's a nightmare.
39:54
[SPEAKER_07]: It's another nightmare.
39:55
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a and it's it's a whole other thing and it's going to be So it's going to be as stressful if not more so in some ways because it's going to ultimately dictate the future of their lives and all to Dean us.
40:07
[SPEAKER_07]: So anyway, that's all to say that any time we can refocus the light to That part of the
40:14
[SPEAKER_07]: country, I'm happy to, because we don't expect people to continue to think about this.
40:23
[SPEAKER_07]: I frankly want people to move on because who wants to be swimming in this mess for any longer than they have to.
40:31
[SPEAKER_07]: Obviously,
40:33
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's we're cognizant of the loss, but there's a point at which I just want people to get on with their lives because it's the healthy thing to do for all of us, but unfortunately a lot of folks don't have that luxury and yeah, I think it's important just to remember like this is not, it's just because a year or two or three or four have gone by doesn't mean this problem fixed, you know.
40:56
[SPEAKER_05]: In terms of the next Daw's album, are you feeling serious?
41:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's probably, I think there's some, some lighters, fair on the, on, on, a few of the records.
41:10
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's definitely some, like, that's my, my attempts at being,
41:14
[SPEAKER_02]: like a little looser with certain songs or no brother, and those songs are not coming up as I'm writing for the next record.
41:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also not necessarily writing songs about the fire directly, you know, a lot of people would ask if I was the good that that's probably going to find its way into the writing and
41:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it has in the sense that my mood has changed and been informed, but the idea of writing about that experience at least at the moment, sort of feels in discreet or opportunistic.
41:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just not, that's not how it's landing.
42:01
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes for a lot of songwriters say this,
42:04
[SPEAKER_02]: often get to even choose what your songs are about, they, they, like, well, what can be written, like what enters my head is like, oh, that, that, I can make that work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the song that ends up being written.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never sit down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never sat down and thought, like, I really like to write a song about X, Y, or Z, like, it just doesn't happen that way.
42:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like when it comes to the idea of wanting to process the trauma, the fire through song, like it just feels
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[SPEAKER_02]: of the almost ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I had a hand, I mean, your filter for the reality is you perceive it and I think that it's obviously affected everything that we, you know, so none of the songs are funny, that's for sure, like it's like, I feel like I would hold you.
42:51
[SPEAKER_05]: What's the vibe of the new record?
42:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, it's not recorded yet, but we've been, we've been, we have a handful of
43:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully, a nice little slew of dogs releases.
43:05
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, yeah, um, but uh, that's one thing to touch on the, that's being a duo.
43:14
[SPEAKER_07]: That's one thing that that's been allowed to us now is that we're just suddenly in bowl and that you used to be like, harder to do stuff like that because we were four.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And now it's like, okay, we tailor and I can kind of just slip in and collaborate in a different way.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So that's opened up some avenues,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, but yeah, I think the next dodge record, the standalone record is more or less written, I'll probably get two or three more to throw into the pile.
43:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, it's a little more reflective and it's a little less.
43:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, uh, uh, light, then then I don't, I wouldn't call it brother a light record necessarily, but when I think of songs like Mr. Los Angeles or house parties, there's a lightness.
44:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm proud of that.
44:02
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, at least those songs are actually the hardest to write.
44:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I hear people like loud and wane writer warns Eve on a rainy noon and going to that place, I'm always like in awe of it because it's, um, I think writing the heartbreak song,
44:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to say it's easy, but I do feel like it's more natural.
44:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when I hear, even something like dead scum, I'm like, wow, this is like a real, like how did this happen?
44:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're all wondering.
44:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and it goes for where roles of London or short people, like it always just like boggles my mind of like, what was that moment of inspiration?
44:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, um, and I'm like chasing it down.
44:45
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, Randy feels it's a little different though, because it always feels like it comes from this place of right, just in the nation.
44:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, correct.
44:52
[SPEAKER_07]: How do I correct?
44:53
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, how do I speak for the disenfranchised?
44:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he hasn't added dimension that that dead scunk may not.
45:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and we'll get to that in subsequent podcast episodes.
45:06
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to take the opportunity to say how much I love Mandy Moore.
45:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Me too.
45:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Me too.
45:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Girl saying, this is Mandy Moore fan club on stage.
45:22
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a video of Taylor and Mandy showing their newly rebuilt house.
45:28
[SPEAKER_04]: Taylor shows, you share your absolute love of books.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you were talking about, so in the video, I watched the whole thing and I'll watch it again.
45:39
[SPEAKER_04]: There's like a movie.
45:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a screening room.
45:45
[SPEAKER_04]: I'd feel so uncomfortable saying that.
45:47
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, well, this is our screening room, although Taylor would call it the library.
45:52
[SPEAKER_04]: So you were talking about how when you were traveling, you were like getting people books on tour, and it was like getting out of hand, but you love to seek out cool bookstores.
46:04
[SPEAKER_04]: So now what you do when you're on tours, you look for first editions as gifts for everyone back home.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So myself.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, totally.
46:12
[SPEAKER_03]: What are some hot tips you can share for aspiring first edition see girls?
46:19
[SPEAKER_07]: Good, just don't start.
46:20
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
46:23
[SPEAKER_07]: And your money elsewhere.
46:24
[SPEAKER_05]: He went there, he went there.
46:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, I mean, I definitely have like my stores that are in different city.
46:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are like, our disappearing.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: There was one in Nashville called the Captain's Bookshelf that was very special.
46:37
[SPEAKER_07]: Best, what's the top of the list?
46:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, currently there's a spot in Denver called the Hermitage.
46:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's how it's happening.
46:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have like a back room that you kind of have to like ask about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's it's very cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I holding like a,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a first edition of Sirens a Titan, it was like $2500, it did not buy it, it's it's a little cost prohibitive, but it was just like just to hold these things and to know the history that they made and that they contain is so so thrilling to me, it's very nerdy, but yeah, I was just buying so many books for every one, I would buy like eight books for every one that I finished and it's like okay, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna die with a bunch of on-red books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, like, how do I correct this but without taking away the joy I get from visiting these stores?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because I do feel like it's the last vestige of any personality in a neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like coffee shops and book stores are gonna be the ambassadors of what a neighborhood's flavor is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ben restaurants.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Coffee shops are so, at least in our neighborhood.
47:45
[SPEAKER_07]: There's so many that it's like,
47:46
[SPEAKER_07]: No, kind of just, like, pointed the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's true, but it's, and yeah, it depends on the neighborhood, but like, like, even in Altedina where we are, the spots that are still open, it's like, you go in there and it's like, oh, I know these people now, and we, and there's, there's little flyers on the wall saying, what shows I'm not going to go to are happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just feels really nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like anytime I can find that in another neighborhood, even if it's,
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[SPEAKER_02]: not really, even if I'm romanticizing, even if I'm projecting, I get to bask in that feeling of like, I'm in the neighborhood right now, and this town has a singular identity, and book stores have, especially when it has a cat in the bookstore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That I'm always sent whenever there's a cat in a bookstore.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Was there a bookstore in, all right, I'm not super familiar with LA, so there's
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[SPEAKER_05]: That was a Virginia Woolf invention.
48:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_05]: There's never been a little story there, Cindy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's one called once upon a time, and that one's mostly just for kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really great, but they have the bookstore cat.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They have a bookstore cat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's very cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the bodega cats, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And somebody's cats, they like the owners go home, and the book, the cats have the bookstore to themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love to think about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a Disney movie.
49:12
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to circle back to you being embarrassed about your viewing room at home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So no, this is not about you.
49:20
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not about you.
49:21
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to say that my cousin growing up his grandfather.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it was like the one that wasn't related to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He had he was like, you know, working class regular guy in suburban Boston.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He had a movie theater in his basement and we would watch like Abbott and Custello black and white Oh cool and and he also had one of those train sets where like, you know You can like crawl under the table and you pop up and you're like, oh my god Because it sounds awesome like be the guy's a legend It was his grandfather, but like I remember going over there and being like so like having you know A lot of people have movie theaters.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a big deal
50:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is like, this is like across the country, this is just because then it goes back, I mean it's not to go dark again, but then it go like when that video came out like some of those comments of like, oh screw you guys like this is not all to denows like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa like the internet was a mistake.
50:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's that's a fact.
50:20
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like for a couple of years there, the comments were like, getting real nice and out there.
50:25
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's worse than ever.
50:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I've been called every name.
50:28
[SPEAKER_05]: People really will say anything, really just anything.
50:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's so interesting.
50:34
[SPEAKER_07]: And the actual thing, it's a vector for nastiness, but that,
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's as real as you make it and it's just like don't it's literally not worth any one's time any any time We've ever our Taylor has ever felt the inclination to be like, oh, you don't like that song Well, why not or like engage with these assholes?
50:53
[SPEAKER_07]: It's they invariably No, they were so I'm always like, oh, sorry.
50:58
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I actually love your band Yeah, I didn't realize there's a human So there it's I think people are deeply fucked up and like honestly, it's like I think we can all agree on that
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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: God is great, beer is good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: People are crazy.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That's crazy.
51:13
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel sad for them.
51:15
[SPEAKER_07]: The circumstances in which this column was written are probably pretty bleak.
51:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And I certainly do people seeing this comment as the person that wrote it to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like this isn't representative of any broader attitude.
51:29
[SPEAKER_07]: It shouldn't be allowed this outsized effect that they're having.
51:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just screaming at the TV energy, like put on broadcast for everyone to experience.
51:38
[SPEAKER_05]: So fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, anyway, I'm accepting myself.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Great.
51:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Should we do our lightning rounds?
51:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, okay.
51:46
[SPEAKER_04]: So this is a very special lightning round for basic folk.
51:49
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a game called Witch One.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So the answers are Taylor, Griffin, or both or neither.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And you have to respond simultaneously upon the count of three.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And we will give you a countdown and you won't listen to us.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you'll be so excited about answering it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's fine if you mess up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I expect you to both do a good job.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And don't get mad at us for asking these questions because we're just trying to have fun.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I can't promise that I won't be mad.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Let's just barrel right ahead then.
52:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Which one is a better driver?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Go to both.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He's way nicer than that.
52:39
[SPEAKER_05]: OK, which one has better fashion sense?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Griffin.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, no.
52:48
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a good one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Do you want to do the next one?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
52:50
[SPEAKER_07]: It's Griffin and Baltimore.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Baltimore is a bit yesterday.
52:53
[SPEAKER_07]: You just got Taylor's fit on stage just for it.
52:55
[SPEAKER_07]: Fuckin' fantastic.
52:57
[SPEAKER_05]: Nice to meet you.
52:57
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's get a little bit of a pause for the outmins.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, which one is a better cook?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Niner.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's the self-awareness for me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Also, I will say that if you had aspirations before, being a dad is just like a belittрary to them.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And my friend, our friend Matt's of this to me, he's like, you know, once you reach further, you get kind of one thing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So if your thing is exercise, then that's what you're doing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But you're giving up everything else and like a hobbyistic way.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And cooking is not it for me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I really dislike it.
53:38
[SPEAKER_05]: And we need to know our limits, and I hope my wife is listening to this part.
53:41
[SPEAKER_07]: She knows.
53:42
[SPEAKER_07]: But I will say that it's awful as I am in the kitchen.
53:45
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm always the first one to be like, order every night.
53:49
[SPEAKER_07]: I will sort dinner every night, because I feel guilty about not helping it all in that sense.
53:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's the mental load.
53:56
[SPEAKER_07]: Not to say that makes it okay, but...
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this one I think is going to be a tough one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Which one is petting every dog?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Woo!
54:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Jacques Hughes, all right, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Which one is better at keeping a secret?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That is, I didn't know.
54:19
[SPEAKER_05]: We kept silent.
54:21
[SPEAKER_05]: You did it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You demonstrated it.
54:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's keeping that one secret.
54:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It's true, even yesterday, my mom was telling Griff, like, Taylor doesn't rat on all of that.
54:31
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the bad things you do.
54:32
[SPEAKER_02]: That is so true.
54:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that's true.
54:34
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want to do much stuff.
54:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So it makes it easy.
54:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um, that's true.
54:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't do much, but it's not.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Which one is the life of the party?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Three, two, one.
54:45
[SPEAKER_05]: That one.
54:46
[SPEAKER_05]: There.
54:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
54:47
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just thinking like, singer in the band.
54:50
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no.
54:50
[SPEAKER_07]: I take it back.
54:51
[SPEAKER_07]: I think he's right about that.
54:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
54:53
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the last question because the sci-pad is getting very hot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Which one should I call in an emergency?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Griffin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, all right, Taylor, for Taylor, for Taylor, for us.
55:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for being on the pod.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks, y'all.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks, guys.
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[SPEAKER_07]: See you tonight.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This episode of Basic Folk was produced by CJ Nungessert, Dietrich Strauss Composes our Music.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much to Sixth Man for having us on the Kiyama Cruise this year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you enjoyed this episode, we suggest sharing it with a friend.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, maybe you should share it with your brother who you've been in a band with since the year 2009.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you went on a cruise with your brother and did an interview for a podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Taylor, can you send this episode to your brother, Griffin?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, thanks for listening all the way to the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Talk to you next time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Bye!