Latest / Critically Acclaimed Network / We've Got Mail #183 | Emotional Support Cats?!

Transcript

We've Got Mail #183 | Emotional Support Cats?! · Critically Acclaimed Network

• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello everybody and welcome back to We've got mail
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: is the podcast that we've got mail here at the critically claimed network.
• 0:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: My name is William Bibiani.
• 0:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am a film critic.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I write for the wrap and everybody calls me bibs.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Whitney Sybeld.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I contribute to slash film.
• 0:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for the purposes of this particular podcast.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you would say it.
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Say it.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Say it.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Say it.
• 0:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Say the word.
• 0:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can call me rock, my skirmacool.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was rock, my skirmacool.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a much cooler name.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but you know, I don't know.
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know.
• 0:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just just only would be like that would be like turning down like nitro.
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hey, Nitro, please.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, come, come, Pancakes.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: William, have you seen me?
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Am I a Nitro to you?
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The nickname's aren't necessarily directly related.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, sometimes it is like, hey, stretch, if you're like really tall, like that's a common one.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes they're just, they have to do like one weird incident that no one was there for.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, why did they call you toothpicks?
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, one time I fell in a bunch of toothpicks and they stabbed me and had to get them all surgically removed.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's nothing to do with, you, you would no reason to know that, you know?
• 1:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's not a great name.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually reminds you of some painful times.
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is where we read your letters.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We read your letters here at the critically claimed network.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: How it works is, you send us correspondence and gosh dang that we read it.
• 1:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Our email address is letters at critically claimed.net, waiting what is your PO box?
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ascent as a physical letter or postcard, whatever you like to the critically acclaimed network, PO box six for one five six five Los Angeles California at nine to below six four.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we we didn't go to the PO box this week.
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, we didn't, but we have plenty of email.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was there was there was we had a problem with the post office.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll deal with it next time.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: We apologize that there's something in the middle of it.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: We will get it.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's being taken care of.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was probably the post office, not our fault.
• 2:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to move on.
• 2:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we have a lot of emails and we really want to read them.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Whitney, take it away.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: here is a letter from the windy with an eye windy not to with to eyes okay uh hello biviam and with my stir that's us and i can do it just wanted to respond to your praise of the c.i.e.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: listenership on the last letters episode
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wholeheartedly agree that with you, that we are comprised of all kinds of interesting people, with taste and opinions all over the cinematic spectrum, but you are the ones curating this fan base.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: The amount of obscure independent international movies you have introduced me to is vast.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: From listening to your podcast, I found any number of amazing movies that we are now among my very favorites.
• 2:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I promise I didn't choose a letter.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was about crazy.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the letter.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, you're so handsome.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, well, while we are padding ourselves on the back for naming films like Verkmeister Harmonies, you go ahead and bet yourselves right back because I learned about this very movie from you guys in the first place.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Keep up the great work and best wishes from across the big water, the windy.
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you very, very much.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very, very nice.
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just padded himself on the back.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I will say this and I don't want to, I don't want to take too much time on this one because it's a compliment and I don't think that's the spirit of the thing.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not that compliments aren't the spirit of the thing, it's just I don't want to go on for ten minutes.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is what we want to do.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's a really big compliment.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of a critic's job is to... Yeah.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But one of the critics' main jobs is to try to highlight the things that would go unnoticed otherwise.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the lot of people try to do that in the present day, you know, make sure you see this little movie that came out or this movies are re-indirated, and that's great too.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think we should be doing it throughout all of history as much as humanly possible.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we try.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's really cool.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really, really glad that we've helped a little.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And watch and watch Verkmeister Hermes.
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good movie.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd also marry melodies.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Verkmeister Hermes, marry melodies.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a good double future.
• 4:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize that the character of Mary Melody on Tiny Tune Adventures was named after the Mary Melodies.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: which was very melody.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was barely in it.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was like a human girl who is just there sometimes.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember her at all.
• 4:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the Mary Men and there's Mary Melody and she would have a lime like another cameo and other paycheck, but she wasn't played by celebrity.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's put like Chris summer was also there to sort of voice this character.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, not that Chris Chris summer isn't.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's not what you usually think of as a cameo.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would just be in the show norm.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was I think she also played sweetie on that show.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like yeah, she was around.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like that.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 4:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm saying French steward cameoed on third rock from the sun.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're just a star of the show.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it also took me a long time to put together that there was Montana Max.
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like the boy version of Yosemite Sam.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I put that together.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Elmira, however, seemed like an original creation.
• 5:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's on her foot.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Elmira and her last name is Duff, which is Fud backwards.
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't put that together until I was like in my third.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's Elmira.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Elmira, Elmira, I didn't guess.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's also Elmira backwards.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to shoot animals.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: She wants to hug them and kiss them and squeeze them and call them George.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I thought she was great.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: She is great.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I didn't think she was the the disaster counterpart of all her fun.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a normally I'm the one who takes twenty years to get there.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of nice to know that it happens other people.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was twelve.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was just taking it at face value.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't like putting putting the connections together.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lou, we should move on.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another letter.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: This one comes from Michael.
• 5:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Michael.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Sir Will's B. McBibzi and my stroke rock my stroke.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's little flourishes and filigries on a little.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ever since I started my new job, I've had a ton of time.
• 6:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've not had a ton of time for podcast as I listen to them at my old job to help me kill time.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this is my new employment.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I make sure to carve out some time for YouTube whenever I get the chance.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for doing that.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: because seriously YouTube actually saved my life about three years ago when I was going through a dark time I was unemployed and going through a horrendous break up so thank you for the non-stop podcast giving you some sort of schedule to follow anyway we're not here to have a pity party we're here to discuss business well thanks for listening and I'm glad we can help you through that it's incredibly
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredibly just warms my heart to know that we helped in any way and although I will say this I've used it the first time who ever told us we were on schedule Yeah, we're we're hardly ever on schedule, but yeah, but seriously though that means a lot.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much and and know that we we're people too We've been there and we can relate all to all of our artists Art has specifically saved my life.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've done this before.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've said a doctor who yeah literally saved my life
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm with you.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had the fact that we could help them at all.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to, you know, thank you for saying it.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you're the one who did the work.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just very proud of you.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, after that heart-winding opening, we're going to get into Disney movies.
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So during your review of Lilo and Stitch, you too discussed people's favorite Disney movies and I forgot who.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But someone said that no one is a home on the range kid or a chicken little kid.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would like to sound the record that I was both.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had the home on the range DVD, and the chicken little DVD that I would watch on repeat.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: As of this writing, as I'm writing this email, I have no idea where these DVDs are, as I think they were thrown out by my parents from it.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're the one.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're the kid who watched home on the range.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It can be only one.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, but it's a Disney kids fighting with their DVDs like the blame from Crowell that it's Islander.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh no.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We killed the make-minded music kid.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: No!
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was the last one.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, home on the range.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to lie.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I cannot tell you the plot of that movie.
• 8:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you put a gun to my head, but I didn't really remember a minecart sequence with cows in them.
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So all can take constant to do that as being a home on the range kid.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't see anyone else coming out of the woodwork to defend the movie.
• 8:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, listen, if anyone wants to challenge you for that title, go for it.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's what I remember.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what?
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: To our listeners.
• 8:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 8:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want the crown?
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 8:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: The home on the range kid crown.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was a challenge each other had out trivia each other.
• 8:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear from you guys.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who is that one?
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who's that one YouTuber?
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's like the animations, but she does like all the Mario, like play-throughs, but she animates them.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about Jaden animation?
• 8:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jaden animation.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jaden animations.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did it.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw her in public recently.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So jealous.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: My wife is a big fan of the TV show, Severance, and then she got me into Severance.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm into the show, Severance.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not on it.
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's into it.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so we went to this big, paleo fest event, which was downtown Hollywood.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she was there.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think she was local.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she's not.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she came out for you.
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 9:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.
• 9:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really just saying anything.
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, we just saw her in a crowd.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: She literally just did a video saying that it's okay to come up to her and say hi because everyone's usually very polite.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know I have my wife was able to recognize her and point it around.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I bring this up because Jayden animation did a video once that was she was getting really into speed runs.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, I get to the point where some people have like speed run like
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Super Mario Brothers and all you can really do is try to shave off a fraction of a second.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm really good at that.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she was like, what I'm going to do is I'm going to do a speed run of a game no one has ever speed run before.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it's in this one.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like cooking.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like cooking on a two or something like that.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, but she took it really seriously even though like by default she would have the highest one.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like that's my point.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't have forgot what my poem has to do with it.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: About like, nobody's fighting over.
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: The home on the range.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you win by default unless someone challenges you for the ground.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, continuing, chicken little.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh God, chicken little.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have not seen that movie in maybe fifteen years until recently my girlfriend randomly threw it on when I arrived to her place and she was like, I haven't seen this in forever.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember much.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I responded with me too, but I watched her a lot when I was little.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I straight up little.
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's straight up lied to her because I was able to tell her beat by beat the entire movie while it was happening in real time and I was saying bits before it even happened.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was able to sing one little sip by the bear naked ladies.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: The worst part is I didn't even sit on the couch with her.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I stood in front of the TV for an hour and a half with my arms crossed just describing this movie to her.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Something that was unlocked within my subconscious to that day and I'm afraid it's here to stay.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how well-versed you are in chicken little lore.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I have some questions and grievances, and this is my letter.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do what I want.
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number one.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Chicken Little's dad's name is Buck Kluck.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So wouldn't that make chicken little's name chicken Kluck?
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or is his whole existence based off the facts that he has a chicken and also little?
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: What about when he grows up?
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: When will he get bigger?
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will he get bigger?
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because he will get bitter because he's a child.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will he grow up into chicken clock?
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or is this a childhood nickname?
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is his actual name?
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Personally, I think it's Bruce Clark.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sure.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, this is a very mean movie, the whole town including his own father.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Relentlessly bully Bruce Kluck because of a mental breakdown so they think those, and no one, and not the school psychologist, social worker, or even his own father think, hmm, maybe we need to get him evaluated.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Instead, the whole town relentlessly bullies him and belittles him and he just takes it.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bruce's dad doesn't even reconcile with him and help him until the very end of the movie when he is forced to face his trauma through a theater exercise.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I haven't seen this movie, so this is all nonsense.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's starting to sound cool.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I might have to say it was directed by Mark Dindal who did the movie Cats Don't Dance.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also did the impression who grew and I'm fond of those movies.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was behind something a little bit like less playful reason that I have to look at.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's all I have for YouTube because I'm writing this on my lunch break and I'm running out of time.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Until next time, Jens, thank you for the great movie recommendation slash reviews that I can add to my letterboxed from YouTube, shameless plug, MACL-AU-Zero on letterboxed.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, stay Ruby Michael.
• 12:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: two thoughts, one I've never seen chicken little either but the way you describe it I'm really just a plot of chicken little in any given version I'm reminded of a line Thomas Harris wrote that they use in the Hannibal TV series and the Hannibal TV series
• 12:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Will was thrown into a mental institution because everyone thought he was a murderer, but he knew how to blackress a murderer, but no one believed him and there's this one moment where everyone's like he's in a cell and he's like smiling all creepy like why are you smiling and he's like There's a feeling that everyone knows that we have never named but we all recognize
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is the happy anticipation of being proven right.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's chicken little.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I interviewed Alan Menkin once.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I did the songwriter.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he done so many of the great Disney musicals.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he had done home on the range.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had asked him, he was just about to start working on the sequel to Enchanted.
• 13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we were also talking about how hunchback got turned into a very successful stage show, even though it wasn't terribly successful movie.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, if someone could figure out a way to turn home on the range and do a musical play, then I'll know that hell is friends and hell there.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then he said, well, you know, the songs were good.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the dumbest movies.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then a villain played by Randy Quaid, you would like, come on.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's primal stuff.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: See what's the funny man.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kat Stone dance, Emperor's new girl.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I looked up Mark Dan.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: What did you do to the girl?
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Chicken little.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he did the Garfield Murray.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was Martin.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of a sensibility.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not as good a film.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a, I didn't hate it.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's also, um,
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: attached to the Funko movie.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're doing a movie based on Funko Pops.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, there's a part of me that thinks, and I know I've made this argument in the other direction before, but I'm starting to see that the the insidiousness of it.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: that the fact that the Lego movie was good might have been a net negative.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it makes us think any of these can and great, technically they can.
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the optimism that they're gonna reach Lego movies unrealistic.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's at the bar way too high.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Lego movie did it, Barbie did it.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will grant you both of those.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't hold that a lot of hope for a lot of those.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we've commented on this before how
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're now seeing a generation of filmmakers who are deeply branded by the media of their childhoods, coming around with deep attachments to products.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we're seeing Hollywood churn out biopics of not people, but of products.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was that whole wave in like, twenty twenty three.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were like five or six of them in a single year.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was the pop-tarts movie.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was the Nike movie.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the movie is about the making of corporate product.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was about about the air Jordan Blackberry Yeah, there was some the B&B craze There was a Tetris movie there like though that kind of stuff is sort of what's what's really leaking in right now?
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we we seem to put a stop to that.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think we've stopped the bleeding on that particular Yeah, uh, uh, Gusher.
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh God, they're gonna do a Gusher's one aren't they?
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gushers the movie.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: No
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, my head turned into a giant watermelon.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Snack nomination.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: We should move on.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jesse writes.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, elevated train.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whitney lives near like an elevated train here in Los Angeles.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And every time it goes by and reminded of Brad Pitt's apartment in seven.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Relaxing vibrating home.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't shake the house.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just fascinating.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, this says, hello, Vincent Whitney.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I recently listened to your critically acclaimed, and what you talked about, predator killer of killers.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have some disagreements about your analysis.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: There.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Our, our analysis was when I started watching killer of killers, I hated it and I liked it by the end.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: When they finally re united all the characters together and I kind of saw, oh wait, this is, this was being set up all along.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But not a lot of, not a lot of personality, maybe we're forgetting some nuance and they're good time on that set.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's read that.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: A small disclaimer, I really loved killer of killers and it's probably my favorite of the predator movies.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: To start you mentioned the predator franchise is constantly contradicting itself.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I agree.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's as big a deal in the new Traktonburg era.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It seems clear based on the fact that he's moving forward through history, the past and prey moving forward through time in killer of killers, and then the future in the upcoming Badlands that Traktonburg is trying to make his own predator lore.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: The only real evidence we have of any previous movies took place are a monster that looks kind of like a Xenomorph in one of the freezer pods, and that Xenomorph skull is in the treasure that's the creature from the movie Alien.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is in the trailer for Badlands.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that a predator only uses the heat vision in killer of killers doesn't seem to me like they forgot that the predator can use other tech.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It actually feels important to the movie as a whole.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It seems to me that the predator's downfall on all three segments is seeing things as binary.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you kill people, you are a killer.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: If the predator ends the predator wants to kill you.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: War means alive, cold means dead.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It feels more to me like a testament to how inherently non-binary we are as a people to be able to exist in more than one state simultaneously.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you step back and look solely at the standing within the franchise, you can say it should have been split into three, but the movie in and of itself is more complicated than I think you give it credit for.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know I hadn't considered
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's an interesting point.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I really thought that out.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was getting hung up on the mechanics of it.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't even thinking of that.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's fair.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's I think that's perhaps I'll slightly generous read.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the film necessarily like pops with that, but I do think it's a fair read.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really, I think you really come up with some interesting stuff here.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will take it to you with one thing though.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's one.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you said about its connections to the other predator movies, much of the xenomorphs, et cetera, there is one very distinct connection though.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is at the end of prey.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We find out that a gun that Amber Nuthunders character had taken from one of the French guys was the exact same gun that the Predator is gifted to Danny Glover at the end of Predator II.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it is connected directly to the law and they're attracted.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're definitely did that on purpose.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think he's building his own law from scratch.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a bit over there, but that doesn't negate your overall interpretation of killer of killers, which
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, good point.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that Predator is misinterpreted as being less complicated than we are.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, some of us are that uncomplicated.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that works, actually.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually something that is pervasive throughout a lot of science fiction.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I noticed this as a teenager playing a video game when this came to me because I've been a big trekky going way back.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I started playing a game called Star Control II.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: The gimmick of Star Control II was, was it's universe of like alien species.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And just like on Star Trek, each alien species have like one personality.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: and each one had a different design ship and each ship had a different gameplay mechanic.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I noticed that the humans had ships very much like on Star Trek and they were uniforms and they all worked in this sort of white gleaming environment and they were very officious and bureaucratic and I noted that
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen enough science fiction movies at that point to see that humans were typically depicted as having the strength of unity, diplomacy, and this of course was derived, I think, mostly from Star Trek, but other science fiction took it and ran with it.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Other alien species were defined by some sort of passion.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas human beings were defined by being sort of a little bit more nuanced and dispassionate and a better in control of themselves.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which didn't fare as a lot of Star Trek as well, but the ones are very passionate.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Frank is actually passionate.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Ron Millens are very passionate.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, this is all derived from Star Trek, but it's become such a pervasive part of science fiction.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: We always take it for granted now.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think everyone's doing Star Trek necessarily, but they definitely.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you can even extend that into the theory about Predator.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: How human beings are actually a little bit more nuanced, to whereas the Predators are just bloodthirsty.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and that's something that when we have our own Star Trek podcast on our Patreon, Patreon.com, so that's critically acclaimed at work.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we review every single Star Trek.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we've talked about Star Trek a lot.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that I talk about, I hope not too much, but somewhat regularly on Star Trek is
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the longer Star Trek goes, the more you start to question the things that the candidates want you to take for granted.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that Star Trek does, and I don't think it's always intentional is it's very geocentric.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: The idea is that humanity for whatever our flaws and we definitely are not all portrayed as saints on Star Trek.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: is the thing to aspire to.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: The universe would be better if everyone's a little bit more like us.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And granted, it's made by humans, and it's made for humans, and I get it.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the longer you live in that world, the more you realize, yeah, I see ways some people don't like starfleet, because it's very human.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the human, like we think, oh, they're officious, and they're very well organized.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the kind of got me go, don't they?
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They kind of think they're just, they're just the ones that come and solve everything.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fuckers, you know?
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it always makes me bristle a little bit when they use the word humanity on Star Trek.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why not Vulcanity or any of the other species?
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was in the Star Trek sixty-under-skivered country.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We believe that all that everyone has innately inable human rights, listen to yourself, innately inable human everything about your ethos is racist.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she's not wrong.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and to be fair, this is something Trek has been complaining about for
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's the start.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we we excuse it because we understand that the makers and the audience are at least ninety-nine percent human.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I was going to put a joke, but no, yeah, yeah, the point is exactly.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: We were making a very human audience, but again, the longer you spend in that world, the more time you have to question.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some of our closest friends claim to be human.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: When we got this is letter from James, hello James.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: James, uh, Messer is Bibs and McCool with respect.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel I must probably take you both to task.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: for your analysis of Top Gun and Maverick.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Briefly espoused recently in the review of F-One, also directed by Joseph Kusinski.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I want to say that Maverick is pure cinema.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is one of the most exhilarating theater experience I've ever had.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still recall my heart pounding during its elongated climax.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw it twice in theaters, and I never want to contribute another red scent to this abomination of the film.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: For all this.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I just did, I just did a whole like two week like intensive seminar on film criticism.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: We studied the nuts and bolts and film criticism and we talked about like the absolute importance of like having a great lead and sometimes you bury it in order to reveal at the end of a paragraph.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: A plus.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you really turned that around.
• 24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know I really want to hear more.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw twice in theaters and I never want to contribute another red sent to this abomination of a film.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: For all its pizazz and triumphs of modern filmmaking, Maverick is also some of the slickest and most dangerous propaganda created since World War II.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's Top Gun?
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the first Top Gun.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: In both Top Gun and Top Gun, Maverick, they never stayed explicitly what country the American jets are fighting against.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: They go out of their way now.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's essentially, if you think about it, the rest of the world.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anything that's not a man.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone that's, anyone that opposes America is evil.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It must be murdered in a plane.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're completely dehumanized.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will never meet them as characters.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really, it's really insidious.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess you wouldn't disagree with this premise.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I heard you both agree that the central theme of the movie is broadly speaking masculinity.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's incidental.
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the premise of Maverick puts forward.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: The United States military is underfunded, under enrolled, and bogged down by bureaucrats to such an extreme that even rogue nations are now outgunning us with better technology, but not to worry.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: American exceptionalism will lead us to victory, but not only, but only if you give the military more money and fewer rules, this view does not require a deep between the lines reading of the film, this is a verbatim reading of the text of this version.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is all of course, complete hogwash.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did it again.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Each year, the President asks the Congress to fund the military ask for ex-billions of dollars in Congress says yes without hesitation.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then the military turns around.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: The proverbial iPad tip screen in Congress selects the highest option without blink and not blinking and I. Did you know that the military lost two billion dollars last year just in bureaucratic shuffling?
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like just two billion dollars is not accounted for.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just somewhere in the ether.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that doesn't surprise me.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to think of all the good that money could do.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It boils my eye.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're disassembling the fucking department of education.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which gets so little money anyway and we spent two and they're just we spent like hundreds of millions of dollars to have Elon Musk's AI that recently called itself mega Hitler I'm so integrated into the Department of Defense what the fuck are we doing?
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad we live in this timeline.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're already talking about the dark stuff.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: They select a they get more of what they ask for every year.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We spend more money on the military than any other nation by magnitudes and because of that we have the best and most advanced technology and it's not even close.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to get tens of billions more than they ask for each year and then try to sell us in the idea that American pilots are flying around in the Ford Pinto of fighter jets.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: While our enemies have coveted seventh generation fighters, to which we can only aspire.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not buying it.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, furthermore, the idea that these sorts of operations would be broadly restricted by undue regulation is laughable.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: For one, the United States occupied a sovereign nation for almost a decade without Congress ever declaring war to use a more recent example that US military recently conducted a unilateral strike against the nation's uranium arrangement facilities, ripped right from the paper, cheap pages of Maverick script, what regulations, what rules.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like people know this about Maverick, but take it for granted or hand wave it away and at the risk of sounding blunt, that's irresponsible.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is dangerous.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's dangerous to portray the US military like this and even more dangerous when it's this effective.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think critics do a good job of discussing this film when they sweep this aspect under the rug.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Top Gun Maverick is the exact type of jingoistic propaganda that should be setting up alarm bells in any discerning viewer.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: To be clear, I'm from a military family.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It should go without saying that you can support troops without supporting the goals and actions of their commanding branch.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: To boot, I'm all for fun at Go America movies, something like Independence Day where it literally turns out July fourth into a global holiday by its end.
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's, because this is silly, it's not making any sort of polemic or call for policy changes, certainly not going to instill in its viewer any misleading ideals with the intent of drumming up support or for less oversight and more money.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So again, with all respect, call a spade, when you're talking about a spade.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine, James.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough, James.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say a couple of things.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: One, I agree with pretty much everything you say about South America.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that you're capable of holding two conflicting ideas in your head at once.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: That A, the movie is very good and B, the movie is very evil.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those are things are both true.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is impeccably crafted.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is exhilarating to watch.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're right.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what makes it dangerous.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is one of the reasons why when people say, oh, why are critics even bothering criticize in these mainstream movies?
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the one everyone sees.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And because they are presented as broad entertainment.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: We are encouraged if not outright told not to think about it.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Turn off your brain.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're told.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Turn off your brain means
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just don't question.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't engage with the politics.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bigger and more popular movie is, the more we need to interrogate its messages.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's a message that's being broadcasted to many, many people.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes messages are good.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Often they are.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, most mainstream Hollywood blockbusters you'll find contain themes of hope and triumph in most coming adversity.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the under Superman.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Good for any of all.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: The new Superman movie has all of the themes that are in just about every summer blockbuster.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every summer blockbuster is talking about what's happening in Palestine right now.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about themes of broader themes of like hope and triumphant.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying good triumphant.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be more specific as well.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard a lot of people talk about how, you know, Superman is unique because it's about hope.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, every summer blockbuster is kind of about hope on at least one level.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a little broad that I do to you.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes, yes, the messages are very, very positive, but often the messages even without the filmmakers necessarily intending it or coming across as really irresponsible.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we even said Top Gun Maverick was irresponsible when we reviewed
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we initially reviewed it.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this a lot.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I will say and it's tricky because sometimes when you bring up a movie, especially when it's not specifically the movie you're talking about, you want to bring up an aspect of it, but you don't necessarily want to talk about the entire movie because if we start talking about the entirety of every movie we reference, we will never end the podcast.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is a battle.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we lost that battle this time, but I will say this.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: When we were referring to Top Gun being about masculinity and if it made it, if we made it sound like it had nothing else on its mind, we were inaccurate about that and we didn't express ourselves well.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is also about masculinity and F-One is not military propaganda.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is not a crossover.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's commercial propaganda.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a commercial propaganda.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a commercial propaganda.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a commercial propaganda.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a commercial propaganda.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a commercial propaganda.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a commercial propaganda.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a commercial propaganda.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: the insidious and military industrial complex propaganda.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when we talked about how it is essentially a remake of top ten maverick, we're we're not talking about every aspect, obviously, we're not talking every aspect, there's no love, but the astro-linity and the power of the fifty sixty-year-old rebellious white male to fix everyone who was broken
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: by that white males interpretation, just by the dint of being cool, in that regard they're the same movie.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I agree, obviously, we left a lot out.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to transpose the dangers of the military industrial complex with the crass commercialism of over-moneyed auto-racing events, which
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: We still have those.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a little odd.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Auto racing.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want them to go fast.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like what are you proving there?
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have that's true for almost any sport if you think about it.
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I live in LA.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need a fast car.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's too much traffic.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a good point.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's the fantasy, is that I get to be in a place where there's no traffic.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to go and get one of the super fast cars and then move to Montana.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no traffic among them.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, fair point.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I agree with your larger overall conceit there.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're not wrong.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a letter for writing.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're writing.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a letter from Dr. T, but not the women.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. T says, dear Captain McCool and Commander Viviani.
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I get to be the captain.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Long time ago, but in the hours, it's fine.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was offered my own gas, but I turned it down already.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was that time you were subordinate.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got demoted.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Long time was several times, right?
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am also a neurodivergence psychiatrist with a predictable deep fascination with the history of my profession.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So hearing your discussion on how mental health treatment is depicted on-screen tickled something deep in my brain.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could give you a thirty minute lecture on the history of the field and still want to touch on it on everything.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll try to do broad strokes with this the way almost any minutes it wants to do with this period.
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: This by the way is titled a frame of mind, which is a Star Trek episode.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it isn't.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is a reference at Star Trek episode.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about, okay.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, to put it into context.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Recently, we did a Star Trek episode.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: The reason to be the Star Trek episode in our all yesterday's podcast, we already talked about it on the Patreon in which the subject was mental illness, the character of Commander Riker was doing a play in which he was in a mental institution and questioning insanity, and then he started actually questioning insanity.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and thought actually, I thought he was in the mental institution.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm, could possibly have been.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and whatever, whatever it was dramatically, you've played into a lot of familiar cliches, narrative cliches, dramatic cliches about how those institutions operate whether they're accurate or not.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so I'm very curious to see what you have to say.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So with that context.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Dr. T says, the way almost any mental institution is presented on film for some reason, the first movie to come to my mind was shutter island.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: OK.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: They are often depicted as what are called Kirk-Bride Asylum's.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Kirk-Bride was an American psychiatrist in the mid-nineteenth century, and he developed a particular plan that he thought would promote healing.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are the kinds of sprawling, gothic buildings, which to a contemporary look very imposing, but in their time are actually very welcoming open places.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because despite the intimidating grandeur of the central building that wins that were reasonably open and the grounds would often include working farms or gardens that would give patients an activity beyond just being trapped in their own heads.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: These were originally private institutions.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But after the Civil War, states assumed control of more and more of them with the predictable overcrowding and budget cuts, making them less welcoming and more like prisons.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: The darkest period for the field was probably the early twentieth century, where bibs correctly notes, a man could basically impress him as wife and have her lobotomized for essentially any reason.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: With the development of the first effective anti-cycotic medication, Thorazine in the nineteen fifties, this began to humanize the field a bit.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: They accelerated underneath the Kennedy administration because JFK had watched his sister Rose Mary, who was likely on the spectrum of lobotomized and essentially tortured in one of those kinds of facilities.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The plan was to phase out the institutional model and shift to the community-based treatment.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was largely accomplished during Jimmy Curtis Presidency with the passage of a landmark bill called the Mental Health Systems Act, authored heavily by Ted Kennedy as a matter of fact, which would have been truly transformative.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate would have that's not a great start.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had to Ronald Reagan.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not turned around and gutted it a year later and here we are forty plus years on and fewer fewer resources.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's an old saying that we have here in the United States.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Think of something wrong with America.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anything.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Think of one thing that's just wrong about him today.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to be right more often than you're going to be wrong if you look at like every like bit of progress that we're making in the nation economically Yeah, I'm social whatever It keeps going keeps going.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: We hit the Reagan era and then it may be a plateau's for a bit, but then it goes away the hell down Yeah, and we're going through like Reagan
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you stop Reagan here right now?
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: We he fetishizing those A those years and be that administration and like and we it's wrong to do both and and and and what is the very political episode?
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I mean I'm acknowledging it.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't always consider what is Trump he's one of Reagan's Yuppies like that you would be a prototypical that Yuppie class of of you know gold digging hard scrap.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's that's Trump
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not that this was a documentary, but in American Psycho, it's like one of the few people that like Patrick Bateman is like, ooh, dumb Trump is in that car.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's Patrick Bateman's hero.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you need to know about our president.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you ever see the American Psycho musical?
• 37:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't.
• 37:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's so fucking... It was weird.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's more to that.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, your discussion got me thinking about how my own field is often depicted on film.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You probably wouldn't be surprised if I answer generally poorly.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go deep into my memory for a movie, but the best I can give you is Goodwill Hunting.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sean clearly over-identifies with will as as I do with my own queer and horse patients on the spectrum.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But counter-transference is only a problem when you don't recognize it and run checks to make sure it's not affecting your judgment.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: The perks of being a wallflower.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So these are good.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are good exam.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 38:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And an early Brie Larson role in a film called Short Term Twelve.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: The letter is about a worker at a residential treatment set of teenagers with psychiatric illnesses and pretty much nails both the rewards and the challenges and the day in and day out grind at the job.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hard to believe Daniel, destined Daniel Cretan went from that to Shang Qi.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: But here we are.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: John G is one of the better more recent ones.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like short-term twelve.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's very very not.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He clearly likes martial arts movies.
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he understood a lot of what made them work.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give him credit for it.
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, higher Tony Long.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: That that was his secret.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a good see-up.
• 38:51
  [UNKNOWN]: That was
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers, but she was also in grind into the galaxy though.
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But she, yeah, she had a small role in the second one.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was like one of the...
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was definitely in Chanchi at our memorandum.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you recall, we're in the weeds, I'll make this quick.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you recall, in Guardians of Galaxy II, we made a series of characters, some of them were like, so Vester Stallone, who were like, actually the original Guardians of the Galaxy and the comics.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But now they're like older and they've been around.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Michelle, you know, was one of them.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she only got a couple of scenes.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like she was a cameo, it was a glorified cameo.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: serve for the link of this but in uh but enclosure to either of you have a favorite depiction of this i can't call the silence of the lam's a positive depiction of either mental health or queerness and yet i'd be lying if i said it did never significant impact on my career choice thanks for all that you do all our yesterday's makes my commute a little less stressful sign doctor today uh thank you so much um that is let's do a question again and we're not experts in this no um i
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I've said this a lot.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that when Hollywood movies, especially American Hollywood films, deal with mental illness, maybe ninety percent of the time, we're going to be getting the Hollywood version, which is to say, a wildly inaccurate version.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Manitized this ass.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Senatized it best, sometimes based on bits of fact, mostly turned into something dramatic for a screenwriter.
• 40:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: the whole idea of having like split personalities that's something for movies the way we see them in movies that's I mean that's a real condition, but the movie version of this story is a real thing, but it doesn't look like it does in the movies.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean, like it's based on bits of fact, but the movie split is not a cycle of life.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, that's one of the things I've had.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I've had about.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the token.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not until the very end of the movie that you realize a way to make it's playing by fantasy roles.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: This was meant to be a fantasy for me.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of would say tip their hand a little earlier at that.
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have been a little bit more forgiving because for a while, it's like, wow, this is really fucking it.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the word irresponsible.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you're portraying something that not everyone is aware of,
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: and you don't portray it in a fair or accurate or positive light, not that was Warren's positivity, but you run the risk of people getting the wrong fucking message about it, don't you?
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... we watched a movie for uh... only the best recently called the snake pit which uh... which was pretty affecting uh... my i also very fond of shock court or but i thought court is right i don't know it at that i can't speak of either the snake pit feels like they did a little bit of research i think that was aiming for accuracy how accurate they were think that is a film from the late nineteen forties about a woman who is who has uh... mental health problems that is put in institution and
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: She, like, the institution has, like, various levels of, like, institutionalization and security.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, like, if there's, like, level one more, like, prisons, the further, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you told me, it was Samuel Fuller, right?
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you told me Samuel Fuller made all of that up, I believe you, because it feels like it feels like it's out of a nightmare.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really, really terrifying film.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great film.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I somehow know it's terribly accurate, but like I don't know.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So both great movies.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am interested in movies when they actually bother to get the psychology of certain conditions correct.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whether or not they're diagnosed in the movie or whether or not somebody goes to
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: mental health professional.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very fond of the piano teacher Michael Hannity film That deals with a certain kind of his sexual hysteria very accurately Because I'm very loaded term actually with that I suppose yeah, that's not great
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, sexual, uh, uh, sexual filth fears, uh, issues with sexuality.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those, those are all dealt with very directly and in the piano teacher.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: The word hysteria was often ascribed to people who didn't want it to institutionalize.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Special, I'm talking about a female character.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very loaded.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I apologize for that.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But um, thank you for noticing.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um,
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in fact, uh, I didn't see it, but Maggie Jalen Hall was in a film called hysterical.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was about the invention of the vibrator.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was invented as like a meal like a meal.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: We were coming to you.
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some things will be better.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, not exactly for the reason you're thinking, but yes, you're not wrong.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that film was new to what it was doing, what it was using that word.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I had actually known a little bit about sort of the things that the main character, Erica's, the character's name, played by Isabel O'Pare, was actually facing in that movie.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the trauma as it was based on, and I actually had a little bit of personal knowledge.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Through people I know that what was going on in that movie was very, very accurate.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, a movie that I'm really ambivalent on, because it gets one thing really accurate, but gets another thing really on inaccurate, is secretary.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because Secretary is actually very king positive.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very very very understanding cathartic about how a certain kind of kink and power play can be a very cathartic experience.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very healthy.
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and a very explored healthy and explored within limits and actually a very loving experience between two people.
• 44:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's nothing we need to necessarily be ashamed over.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's not shame attached, and this kind of play is actually a very healthy good thing.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they tie that into the phenomenon of cutting, which I think it completely whiffs.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just that Kink is actually like one to one replacement to that.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's I think.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: That movie, and listen, I'm not saying it's accurate.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that movie isn't really going for that.
• 45:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's suggesting that here's someone who hadn't figured out
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: what they actually wanted, but they still, they still with it.
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of my movies that I think are really interesting about that environment are kind of surreal.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you mentioned Shutter Island, which is, of course, basically a horror movie.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: William Peter Blattie did a film called The Ninth Configuration.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's a good one.
• 45:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, I, it's not an accurate movie.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would suspect, but it's about a guy who, uh,
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: starts running a mental institution for soldiers with PTSD and the like.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of them have very specific, very vivid fantasy lives.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And what he decides to do is
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: as a sort of a radical form of treatment, just say, let's indulge every single one of their fantasies.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You want to do an inversion of Hamlet with entirely dogs?
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will get you the dogs.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You all have to, like, this copress band, you all is great.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it,
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It goes to some odd places.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not entirely sure it works, but I think it's fascinating.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'd be surprised if he wouldn't be in a bloody thought.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was accurate.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was going for a kind of... No, that was like a... Yeah, it's like Murot's solder.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these aren't meant to be.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm always fascinated by like videos online of like people who really know what they're talking about like a job or the government or the military or whatever and they watch movies and even good movies and they say this is an accurate.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me explain why the league legal used to do a lot.
• 46:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't really do it much anymore, but he would take like, you know, the rainmaker.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: He did it with Star Trek.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He did it with measure of a man.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did it with my cousin Vinnie.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did it with him.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the Simpsons like I knew what to say.
• 46:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is so a real courtroom looks as opposed to this TV.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like one thing that always drives him nuts is that in every movie about Yeah, boy.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: The lawyer will leave their dad stand up and walk around like in the courtroom right in front of the person that they're interrogating on the witness stand or go right up to the jury and the apparently the bail the bailiff would tackle you if you even try Yeah, yeah, that's just not but we expect that because it's a movie.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit more dramatic that way.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: He accepts it too, but it always bugs him like I'm always fascinated by that
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there are certain things that I know about more than other things.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I was raised in those air family.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really have too much direct contact with that, because my dad had already retired by the time I was born, but my parents both educators.
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And anytime I see teachers,
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: in movies and television, I am usually driven up the wall by how inaccurate it is.
• 47:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And although it's very silly, I will say, have an elementary try.
• 47:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really, really hard.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they mostly get it right.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's, and they use that to fuel comedy and drama.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do really good job.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I remember, I've seen a lot of shows that didn't.
• 47:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we're outside our lane here.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure a lot of the things that we're talking about
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: are wildly inaccurate.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I did appreciate, thank you for giving us a few examples of movies that you think were responsible.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And did a pretty good job.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that would have been my follow-up question.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for writing it.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is really important, I think.
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't talk about it enough.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a firm believer.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm firm believer in having more conversations about mental health and public.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been over the same time for way too long.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still going to be right comfortable talking about.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're, they're, they're the host struggles at all, and even with friends family.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: What you were talking about the Lego movie, I think we can also attribute to something like Psycho.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Psycho had that really awkward scene at the end, where the psychiatrist kind of explains Norman based narrative.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's super like an hour too.
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He, he just nailed it, Marilyn.
• 48:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the idea is,
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Norman Bates is a murderer.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's killed numerous people, but he also has dissociative identity disorder.
• 49:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like murderers people, but only when he dissociates into this persona of his mother.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and we may be using this terminology wrong, but we're.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the plot of psycho and and what that scene did.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: and even using the title of Psycho rather than your murderer.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lent a little whisp of psychological credence to this pot boiler about a guy who stabs people.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It made it feel like it really gets some research.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It felt like a little bit more legit than some of the thrillers on either side of it.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which may have been what Hitch was going for, but again, there might have been a response.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely what Hitchcock was going for.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you start looking at slasheres that happened for the next twenty years.
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they all tried to do something really similar.
• 49:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: They tried to set up the psychology of a murderer.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: When what they really wanted to do was just have the kill.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to just die.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to feel like they had to go character.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the more, I think even more dangerous thing that that psycho did was whether this was the intention or not, because I think Joseph's the phono wrote that script, right?
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was queer, right?
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It associated a person dressing up in woman's clothing, like a person who identifies as a man, because in sequels he doesn't identify as a woman.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's complicated, and I don't think they're really
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're I don't know if they understood anything they were talking about but the idea was people who present themselves differently than the gender to which people would conventionally describe them There's an element of menace to it.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that last saw the way into the silence of the land and beyond and beyond and that's Not good that should not be an immediate association.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm praying to pulma had that more than one movie.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, I mean, Brian to pulma's
• 50:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he'd be pretty he's always been pretty upfront about that but like yeah, no he's he's always been doing those riffs But yeah, no and we have a lot to answer for again.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about responsibility here and I think some of these are more intentional Yeah, then others.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean top gun is definitely intentionally propaganda.
• 51:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, both of them
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: whether they think that's all there is to it is irrelevant.
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely is part of it.
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think some of these movies are people who don't know better.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just want to do a fun horror movie or a horror movie that's smart.
• 51:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that a lot of them, you know, that may be subconscious that they fucked it up and went really dark and gave some real ideas.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of them are presented with, if we did research and that necessarily.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or the research we did was later disproven.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's also a thing.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Psycho gave psychological credence, but I'm thinking to like some of the other slashes.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Myers was just evil and I appreciate that.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rob Zombie changed his backstory.
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I like in the nineteen seventy eight Halloween, his shrink steps forward and says, I've been dealing with this game.
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said nothing.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just evil.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's it.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he grew up into this evil murderer.
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like semi supernatural.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't need psychology.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: For Michael Myers.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no psychology.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's part of the point is that by that point we put so much power into the idea of psychologists knowing everything.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the psycho, one of the characters.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And every one of the characters in Halloween is named after a character in psycho.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly jump up and I was influenced.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when you take that psychologist and say, listen, I know everything the reason to know about psychology.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: this person defies that and is pure menace.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's really, really scary.
• 52:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Rob Zombie after that being sort of unquestioned for decades said, what if, hear me out here?
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: What if Lumus was full of shit?
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: What if Lumus wasn't a good shrink?
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden you have a very different narrative.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you start questioning everything Lumus says and maybe Michael Myers
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: was just a person with problems that his psychologist or psychiatrist or whoever would have been responsible for that failed.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a failure.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like someone just didn't, wasn't up to the task.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I, those movies grew on me over time.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was very against them initially and I think now it's especially Halloween too.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Halloween too, so that's why.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have to watch it again because I remember just being.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Watch it directly off.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Watch it directly.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Watch it directly.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Watch it directly, Scott.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not that it's like, not bonkers, but I think it's a more sure that I think it's going to play with the creative decisions.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's, he was going for like some surrealism and failing.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, he was just didn't work out for him.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, fuck, I, you know, I'm still gonna riff on a few things.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is gonna be a sequence at a hospital, that kind of shit, but like,
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's doing his own thing.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the idea that Loomist doesn't know what he's talking about does definitely come into Halloween too.
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We should move on.
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have to have a couple of it.
• 53:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a letter from Brandon.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Brandon.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Dear William and Whitney, I first started enjoying your witch personality.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The movie trivia showdown.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I missed the people.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a terrible competitor, but I missed being around that crowd.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You were never good together.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had some bad luck.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every time we had like a major match, we kind of whipped it, but we were really, we set like several records.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: We did really good.
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, every weekend or every other weekend, we would all meet with a whole bunch of people who do what we do and love what we love and we got to play.
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was fun.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a movie trivia competition staged like a wrestling match.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there was all this like k-fave and people are having to get together.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: We all had our personalities.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think some of them have been like reposted and like you can't see how many views they once had, which is a bit of a bummer.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still amazed and I was done like, because he will do like video documentaries about like, hey, remember
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one penguin game that we all used to play online, or hey, remember this one, BB-poss, and I'm like, yeah, I'm surprised that one's ever done like a big one about the movie trivia showdown.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel bad.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And not for me, you can leave me out of it.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a shit.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just think it was interesting that this weird intersection of all these different personalities did something really fun.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got to do an exhibition just a little bit of a sign because I was actually thinking about this today.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got to do an exhibition match.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a horror trivia.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: With the cast of Ash versus Evil Dad.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I wasn't the star.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were the stars.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But they needed like some Schmodon personalities to kind of like give it some bout ballastism.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was paired with an actress named Dana De Lorenzo, who very fun, very charming.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: very attractive.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like she was dazzling and she was my partner and I was just distracted by how dazzling she was.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Bruce Campbell was the host.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was asking the questions.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was so jealous of you.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really wish I could have been a part of that.
• 55:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I forgot the other actor from Ash versus Evil Dead, but he was paired with the late great John Schnepp.
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was a wonderful wonderful man.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He did that Superman documentary, but he was also kind of a friend of ours through the Schmota.
• 56:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we didn't know terribly well, but I only had positive experiences with him.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was lovely.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Bruce Campbell had his Bruce Campbell persona.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was very Santiago.
• 56:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was very Santiago.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 56:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... so yes uh... john steppin race on the agon as me and a little deal of and so and Bruce Campbell was asking the questions and they were dirt easy like yeah who is the corny we've researched and the actors they actually know that stuff so it's like i got to lean in and give the correct answer uh... Bruce Campbell fucked up everything
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was like reading things wrong.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had that vibe of I don't want to be here, but you know I'm too cool for the room.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like I can get away with it.
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's just sort of his drive.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he and of course you can get away with anything he knows he can and we don't mind.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So not a big deal.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't let me do the joke that I wanted to do.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because there was an intro sequence where it was me and John Schnepp, just the two of us on camera, arguing, saying, I know movie, movie trivia better than you.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know hard trivia better than you and John Schnepp was like, no, I know better than you.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then Bruce Campbell comes out from behind a curtain and says, I will test you to with my friends from Ashworth's evil den.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we go, wow, it's Bruce Campbell, and that's the introduction.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: When Bruce Campbell came out, I wanted me and John Schnapp to say in Unison.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, Campbell Scott.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they complete assholes.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: No one took my suggestion.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: No one took my suggestion.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Campbell Scott might be a little unrecognizable to a lot of you only.
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's supposed to.
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if there's been another famous Campbell, you could have been in there.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We should read the letter.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: We should read the actual letter.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I met you through the movie, Terry's Photon, that brand shot into your podcasts.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're an easy racer head intro.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the most brilliant bits of the Schmodown and I've really been digging the thank godzilla.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's Friday and Holy Batman podcast series.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can listen to if you're a subscriber.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I helped film the eraser head intro by the way.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You did.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You let me into your golden to do a bit.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 58:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also drove behind a grocery store to do a part of it.
• 58:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw the title of the most recent iron list episode and thought it would be fun to put together my top ten movies starting with the letter L. Hey, great.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... before listening to europeic so this is pre-auchers uh... on this is from starting at one and going down to ten that's fine number one is the lion king from nineteen eighty four fair enough this is my actual number one choice the circle of life and the walk-up pride rocker basically the perfect beginning and ending to movie that still gives me the chills the music by elton john timber ice on zimmer lebo m and the other country collaborators stands the test of time and the animation is wonderful throughout mufasa and pumba are two of my favorite movie characters
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I watched the VHS multiple times a week when I came out and I'm happy to watch the movie anytime to this day.
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really well made film.
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really want to.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I finally watched it.
• 59:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw the remake first.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a lot better, right?
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You agree with that?
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's actually a bit better.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can see like exactly how that remake went off the rails.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rather went back on the rails.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why are we?
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: My only complaint about the Lion King is I wish Simba hadn't gone back to reclaim his kingdom.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: she had stayed with Tumon and Pomba and just lured the lions there because they were actually living a much better life.
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Was it you and I who were talking about how the I think the real thing said but could have done is listen
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know I heard of all of the circle of life shit, but I've been living with Spongebob for a really long time.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to eat the analog.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We could eat grub worms and shit and listen.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I seem like that.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's I know there's a lady.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's that.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can really just up in this whole paradigm and that is how we get to Zootopia.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a meeting descriptions or reviews of these other movies just to keep this metal letter a manageable link.
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we've already wrote.
• 1:00:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have a big tangent just for ourselves.
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:00:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, the Lord of the Rings, the three Peter Jackson movies.
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been assuming the first three because he threatened the other.
• 1:00:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but those don't start with L. Those start with L. I agree.
• 1:00:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And number three, the little mermaid from nineteen eighty nine.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Another animated picture for the last Jedi Star Wars episode.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The last Jedi kind of footage in the the L on that one.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the secondly Star Wars the but I let it.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but I love that movie.
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's my second favorite Star Wars movie.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably mine too.
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like Star Wars.
• 1:00:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I like the last Jedi.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was my two favorites.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I put Empire in there somewhere with a kind of an a jumble where I'd stand today.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Might be not where I stand tomorrow, but those are the top three.
• 1:00:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, embarrassingly the one I've seen the most is the holiday special.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's so fucking weird.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the holiday special about six times.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking right.
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you've seen it repeatedly.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw it with a riff tracks.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: We did a commentary track so I'll watch it again then.
• 1:01:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen Star Wars twice.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen space balls a couple dozen times.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't seen much Star Wars.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I look I come into cinema sideways.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's like saying the Halloween movie have seemed the more than any other is.
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Halloween three.
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a reaction.
• 1:01:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reaction.
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reaction.
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You see Buster Rimes fight Michael Myers.
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That you don't need the rest of the movie.
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only clip you made.
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's the height of this series.
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: How's kicking like I'm down?
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, come food.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah number five is the lady vanishes from nineteen thirty eight love it love that movie so much number six is the line the witch in the wardrobe the version from two thousand five Okay chronicles of Narnia picture seven through nine Lego movies one two in Batman
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like a Batman's pretty funny.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the first leg of movie, the second leg of movie is kind of like kind of repeat the gag a little bit.
• 1:01:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's still pretty good.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the only leg of movie we'd be singing.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we knew the first one did it better.
• 1:02:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it didn't quite stand up.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those are all three really good.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And number ten is Luca.
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Another animated picture.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see three, four, five animated pictures on there.
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Honorable mentions light here.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Another animated film.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lawrence of Arabia.
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: License to kill the James Bond movie?
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was a contingent of people who were like really starting to like claim that's one of the best Bond movies.
• 1:02:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't personally agree but I do see their argument because that was before we had to see the layout that was the one that was trying to be dark and a little gritty even though it had Wayne Newton in it so it could only be so far but like they were trying in it.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: But also they're like writing it's was that the one where they turned the truck sideways and it was at the one or
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was other wasn't skill in living daylight and the little prince the one from twenty fifteen.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope to discover more cool L movies from your list, as this was harder to find great ones for in my own personal history.
• 1:03:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for writing a steady stream of quality reviews, a banter and tangents.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, happy to private.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, London.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Signed Brandon.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you, Brandon.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We love to see other people's lists.
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We do.
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you everyone who sends them in.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're always grateful.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
• 1:03:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was like a weird half hiccup, half a gasp.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that was.
• 1:03:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was odd.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, anyway.
• 1:03:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have to talk to my dad for about that.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Moving on.
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have time for one more.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see here.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a letter from James and different James.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, WV and RM.
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's me, rock, myster.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: James here, lots to cover, so I'll get down to it.
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, I heard about your new living situation in the last episode of Letters, vis-a-vis your cats not being allowed at your new rental.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned exploring a workaround, but didn't go into specifics.
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am a rental manager, and I want you to offer you some advice.
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you're already taking this route, it's good for audiences to know, too.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: First and most importantly, pet rent is theft.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And anyone should do anything they can to avoid it.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: The best way is to get one of your one or more of your animals recommended as an emotional support animal.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a federally regulated concept that supersedes any state or private regulation.
• 1:04:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Read landlords are compelled to accept it.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Landlords must allow you
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: to have your emotional support animals with no additional charges.
• 1:04:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's also a kind of grey market of ESA letters where you can essentially pay like ten to fifteen dollars to some doctor in your state that you've never visited to send you a stock letter testifying that you need an emotional support animal and that's all it takes that being said from where
• 1:04:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: For what you've been brave enough to share it sounds like you wouldn't have a hard time getting a legit letter from a doctor.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably actually treated you.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this may seem shady.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck landt lords.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck my friend.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Never lose with God.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't know smashing this shit to the guy.
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to do it in a way that's actually like neatly viable.
• 1:05:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is really good advice, but
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he even says never lose a wink of sleep for however you game ground on the ruling class eat the rich steal from your employers, etc.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had already had someone tell me that emotional support animal could be a work around for that probably will.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I might as well get another cat at some point, but I think it's in the cards.
• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like the little stripey guy.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like the little stripey.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the deal.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can say I like a gray cat or a stripey cat or orange cat or whatever.
• 1:05:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The cat finds you.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:05:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you you don't get to pick the cat.
• 1:05:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you're ready, the cat will appear in my experience.
• 1:05:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: His name is Toastada.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: We found him in a dumpster.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they said, look at it now.
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like he was a little kid and he'd been kind of abandoned.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was covered in fleas, like dangerously so.
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, he became maybe Cameron.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number two, you fielded a question in the same episode about movies that hate movies.
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Only one comes to mind, bird man, or the unexpected virtue of not having done secondary titles.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love this movie's smug self-importance and dismissal of popular cinema.
• 1:06:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's why I like it.
• 1:06:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a bitter screen from Amanda who's done nothing to earn his anger being routinely lauded by the industry.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
• 1:06:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: The filmmaker has no reason to be angry at Hollywood.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's gotten two Oscars two years in a row.
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's doing all right.
• 1:06:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think Birdman was his first, but yeah, but still yeah, no, he had been remarkably successful completely issuing the Hollywood system.
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason why people gave that a pass is because you could argue that Michael Keaton knows a lot about that.
• 1:07:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's not his movie.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
• 1:07:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We performance.
• 1:07:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was a great performance.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I agree.
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's all about how Hollywood popular cinema has ruined film to the point where you can only find true artistry on the stage.
• 1:07:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: The so-called distinction between high art and low art has always come off to me as classes and elitist.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is.
• 1:07:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: A good counter to this is the menu.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I find the Oak cuisine versus cheeseburger metaphor to be quite clever and a dead-on representation of hired versus low-art debate, but without really looking down on either of them.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: The central thesis is that any art, as long as it's made with love and passion, is worth consuming, and the only pursuing the most complex avenues of expression, can suck the joy out of your vocation.
• 1:07:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bringing it back around, I think it's in your eaters' birdman, as the example of this.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm moving for someone who clearly hates making movies.
• 1:07:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think the filmmaker loves cinema, but the message of that film is anti-center.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he hates certain kinds of cinema.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably mainstream pop.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to put words in their mouth.
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
• 1:07:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I never actually heard in your read through say that.
• 1:08:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I can glean that from the work.
• 1:08:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: The work suggests that.
• 1:08:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:08:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what that's the message he has conveyed, whether or not it's necessarily what he personally believe.
• 1:08:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't write it too, did he?
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because there's lines of dialogue that specifically downplay
• 1:08:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mainstream Hollywood cinema.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna look that up.
• 1:08:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where it's now.
• 1:08:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm a gen Xer.
• 1:08:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is anti-corporate as the next gen Xer.
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He wrote it.
• 1:08:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He wrote it, all right.
• 1:08:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well he co-wrote it with a lot of the people to be fair and it's based on a story by Raymond Carver, but he doesn't have a writing credit.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I appreciate a film.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even though it was like kind of only warm on it when it first came out, Birdman.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I started to realize how daring it was for the Academy to give so many accolades to this film that Hates movies says that theater is superior and is slamming superhero cinema in particular at a time when it was writing highest.
• 1:09:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but at that point they felt a little bit subversive.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually at least when I think about it.
• 1:09:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think at the time Hollywood and the Academy, in particular, was still very much a shoeing, honoring superhero movies.
• 1:09:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like at that point the only superhero movie of that I can think of any kind that was ever nominated for Best Picture was Robin Hood and that was in the thirties.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, they were not, one of the reasons why they expanded the best picture category in two thousand nine was because everyone was really furious at the dark night.
• 1:09:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't get nominated because I thought even though it was super, and we was kind of a show in, uh, nope.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and a few, entered in since, Dougher got nominated by Panthers.
• 1:09:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're getting one, but, uh,
• 1:09:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were still like maybe you can win sound design with kind of visual effects perhaps Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but they were very very much trying to like
• 1:10:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: not claim that as a woman at its best.
• 1:10:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've since softened a bit, but yeah.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And third, third and lastly, I want to state my case on why I think you're off on your interpretation of Fury Road's main characters.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And give you an opportunity to restate your case.
• 1:10:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've pretty both repeatedly maintained that Furios is the one with the character arc while Max is the plot device, and it seems to me like it's the exact opposite.
• 1:10:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't really see where the text of the film supports any real character arc for Furios, but not saying that this is a bad thing.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's obviously very important to the film.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can no longer dance around saying she drives the plot forward.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there that is.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that she ends the film as a different character than she started.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: She starts out the film thinking it's wrong for the Immortan Joe to enslave women and that the patriarchal structure of the Citadel is destructive and must end.
• 1:10:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's where she is when the credits roll.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's the character who wants the thing and gets the thing.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great way to handle a dual protagonist where one character has a goal while the other character goes through a meaningful arc.
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is also done with Wonder Woman, this Steve Trevor being the force behind the plot and Diana going through the significant change.
• 1:11:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: For Max, he starts out the movie literally saying that his only instinct is to survive, and he actively refuses every opportunity to close, or to trust anyone because of people in his past who died around him, and after being foiled by Furios and the others, he finally lets go of his past memories, and rejoins a righteous cause.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Col.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Egan, making himself truly vulnerable in his own way by telling Furios his name.
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It may not seem like much on paper, but we do understand it.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a big deal to him.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that Furiosa has one moment in the film where she says she wants redemption, but it's unclear for what.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And achieving that redemption can really just be seen as part of the goal she achieves.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So without further ado, please state your case as to what I'm missing with Furiosa's character arc, but please do sincerely consider my analysis.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you both, and I wish you all the best.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who gives us thoughtful analysis, and I don't mean just an opinion.
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that you didn't.
• 1:11:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who puts in the effort, we did someone did their with predator killer of killers earlier.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, I will always take that seriously, and I will always consider it.
• 1:12:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I won't always necessarily agree, but I will always consider it.
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if I disagree, I'm asked all about heads with you.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I respect you enough to disagree and treat you as a peer.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that's what it goes down to.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some people find that argumentative like, oh, where are you arguing with someone like, oh, I'm treating you as an equal here.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say this to any other film critic.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I disagree, but let's talk about it.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so get back on point.
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not next for your road.
• 1:12:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your case is stated.
• 1:12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with your point that Max has a bit of an arc.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is a very straightforward arc in a lot of ways, but I see your point.
• 1:12:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, perhaps we're understating Max's personal journey.
• 1:12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think his personal journey is more wrote than Furio says.
• 1:12:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's more wrote.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's something you see in a lot of action heroes.
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't soften a little they soften a little bit by the end of the movie.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't turn into a new person.
• 1:13:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they soften a little bit.
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They understand a little bit.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That happens all of the Mad Max movies where he starts out Mad Max one he darkens.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That makes one a fighting hardening.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, to be fair, that's the one I haven't seen.
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mad Max is about him becoming Mad Max.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're asking them about him kind of finding those way back to humanity again.
• 1:13:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's a moment in Mad Max, too, where he's about to wash his hands of, there's a village that's about to be rated.
• 1:13:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The people inside are going to be killed.
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's driving away.
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't care.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:13:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a moment where he has this kind of reckoning.
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like a better turnaround in help.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the moment where it kind of softens.
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a lot.
• 1:13:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a lot.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we get from an action hero like Mad Max.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because screenwriting class they called that the indifference to concern plot.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 1:13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: You start out indifferent afterwards you're concerned.
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is he a big softie in a hero after that?
• 1:13:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's still the same jerkish taciturn anti-hero that he always was, but he's slightly softer.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess we could say that's also what happens in Fury Road for Max.
• 1:14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: He starts very taciturn.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He ends a hairless taciturn.
• 1:14:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a huge arc, but it there's an arc.
• 1:14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your point is made as for Furiosa herself.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you describe what she goes through, I think you're leaving some stuff out.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't, she is opposed to a Mortinger.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:14:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what does she want?
• 1:14:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: She wants to flee.
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: She wants to rescue these women who have been held in captivity and subjected to God knows what was going to happen.
• 1:14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she wants to take them to basically even the green place.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is a place where people live in harmony.
• 1:14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is between us to escape the horrors of a Morton Joe and fascism and the post-apocalypse.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we see some of that in the Brighwell phone.
• 1:14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we see like what she was trying to get back to and I think it's very significant, but in Fury Road specifically, she risks everything to achieve this goal, what she thinks she wants and what she wants is to escape and then she goes and she realizes that place doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Her entire reason for being is shattered and now she has to find a new one.
• 1:15:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the new one, ironically, is going right back to where she started.
• 1:15:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And not just opposing it, taking it straight.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to tear down this system, and I'm going to be on top of it.
• 1:15:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of wanting to flee something and evade the responsibility of fixing it, I will take that responsibility and fix it.
• 1:15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that's a bit more of an arc than you're giving a little bit of credit for it.
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Does she always oppose him?
• 1:15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, yes, but the question is, how do you respond?
• 1:15:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is a very natural human response when faced with adversity to want to run away.
• 1:16:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: who wouldn't.
• 1:16:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: A first penny sucks.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, I want to state that it's, that might be a bit of a difficult arc to read with Furiosa because she's so strong and resolute at the start of this movie.
• 1:16:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's actually strong and resolute throughout.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the nature of her character.
• 1:16:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:16:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's fleeing, but she's not fleeing out of fear or calories.
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:16:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's her solution.
• 1:16:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, her solution is actually very, very clever.
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: kind of undercutting the authority of this dastardly character.
• 1:16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she is she unlike Max she isn't going from indifference to concern.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's always concerned.
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But she realizes that the solution to her problem is very different.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she has that moment where she breaks down when she finds out that all of her dreams were not there.
• 1:16:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that shot you see on the poster where she's crying and then the desert.
• 1:16:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: In a movie full of amazing photography probably the most famous shot is her emotional breakdown.
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's that's something.
• 1:17:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my counter argument.
• 1:17:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that Furiosa is on a very different type of journey than a lot of action here is that we're used to because it is not an indifference to concern thing.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not Logan.
• 1:17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's doing something a little bit more interesting and complicated than that.
• 1:17:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's it.
• 1:17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:17:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say the same thing.
• 1:17:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:17:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did it.
• 1:17:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did it.
• 1:17:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks.
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it for we've got mail.
• 1:17:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for listening.
• 1:17:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for writing in.
• 1:17:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're sorry.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get to our PO box.
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: the post office.
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's something to answer for.
• 1:17:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll take the post office, host us a bit.
• 1:17:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to write letters about them.
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to make it clear.
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually support the post office.
• 1:17:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're getting a bum wrap all the time and they actually deserve more support in the funding.
• 1:17:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They was just a bit of a snafu.
• 1:17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we will take care of that on the next episode of there are any letters in our PO box.
• 1:17:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will read them.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We will read them first.
• 1:17:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, Whitney, what is our
• 1:17:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: that physical letter of a postcard, but if you're like, to the critically-time network PO Box, six for one, five, six, five, Los Angeles, California, nine to blue, six, four.
• 1:18:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and of course, you can always email us, our email address is letters at critically-clamed.net.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're also on social media.
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're at critically-clamed, which we mostly just, you know, sometimes post updates, but if you really want to follow our train of thought, you can follow me at willing to be on a blue sky, sometimes it post pictures on Instagram, Whitney.
• 1:18:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: that at any cybald same blue sky instagram and of course if you really want a lot more critically clean stuff head on over to our patreon patreon dot com slash critically acclaimed network uh... even if you sign up for free we have a weekly newsletter with material with uh... with links to all of our work that we might not otherwise might otherwise miss but also original material every week personal essays stuff that were watching experiencing art that we don't necessarily have another
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Outlet for we do that every single week for free and then for one dollar a month you get access to a lot of our exclusive shows you also get all of our shows add free sometimes early We also have different tiers where you get different Lobs of podcasts including our Star Trek podcast all our yesterdays where we've review every single Star Trek ever and the back catalog for that is over two hundred episodes long so
• 1:19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: A wealth, a wealth, a plethora of Star Trek related to material.
• 1:19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So much.
• 1:19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So much critical analysis of Star Trek.
• 1:19:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how we've done it again.
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We still, and we still have a long way to go.
• 1:19:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a long road.
• 1:19:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Getting from there to here.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But thank you.
• 1:19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you to all of our patrons without you.
• 1:19:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't do this.
• 1:19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're incredibly grateful to you.
• 1:19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you can't support us, that'd be great.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you can't financially support us, again, you can sign up for free.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's nice.
• 1:19:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can also leave a review, wherever you find us, that helps a lot.
• 1:19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Be lovely to get in and flux of some new reviews that would really help to show a lot.
• 1:19:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But really, just tell a friend, whatever, that'd be fine too.
• 1:19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But in any case, thank you, everybody.
• 1:19:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Have a wonderful rest of your week, sincerely yours, Bibs, and Whitney.