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Sharri | 4 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: Tonight our exclusive report that Albanezi has not managed to
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Speaker 4: schedule another call with President Trump.
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Speaker 3: This despite trey tariff.
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Speaker 4: Set to take effect in just eight days and a
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Speaker 4: Chinese warship circling Australia. Our scoop coming up an urgent
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Speaker 4: planes ahead of Cyclone Alfred, which is set to hit
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Speaker 4: Queensland and northern New South Wales on Thursday. We'll get
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Speaker 4: the latest from the Bureau of Meteorology and I'll tell
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Speaker 4: you how this.
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Speaker 3: Could delay the election.
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Speaker 4: Also tonight, Moranda Devine tells us who the administration the
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Speaker 4: Trump administration has its eye on to replace Zelenski after
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Speaker 4: that explosive oval office brawl. Plus Alex Rifchin will join
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Speaker 4: me on the show after our letter to the Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister asking him to endorse our anti Semitism action plan.
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Speaker 4: That's all coming up, but first tonight I can exclusively
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Speaker 4: reveal that Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi has not managed to
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Speaker 4: schedule another call with President Donald Trump, despite trade tariffs
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Speaker 4: due to take effect in just eight days and a
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Speaker 4: Chinese warship circling Australia. Three sources tell me that Albanesi
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Speaker 4: and his representatives have been desperately contacting Republican networks in
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Speaker 4: the US, approaching senior figures to try and appeal to
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Speaker 4: President Trump. The lack of communication between the two leaders
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Speaker 4: comes at a precarious time for Australia, with Chinese warships
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Speaker 4: circling our coastline and even conducting live fire exercises. Trump's
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Speaker 4: twenty five percent tariffs on Australian aluminium and steel are
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Speaker 4: also scheduled to start in just eight days, and the
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Speaker 4: tariffs on Canada and Mexico begin today on Tuesday US time. Well,
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Speaker 4: we can see that time is now running out. The
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Speaker 4: pair haven't spoken since February the tenth. Australian officials have
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Speaker 4: been frantically trying to achieve an exemption on the trade tariffs,
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Speaker 4: and they're getting increasingly panicked. I've confirmed there is no
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Speaker 4: further call currently set between alban Easy and Trump.
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Speaker 3: Sauces tell me.
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Speaker 4: Alban Easy has been trying to set up a call
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Speaker 4: with Trump, but albin Easy denies this. One source with
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Speaker 4: close ties to Trump told me and I quote, the
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Speaker 4: ambassador has been kissing my ass works every angle and
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Speaker 4: about Trump's attitude towards our prime minister. This source said
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Speaker 4: he's as in Trump's ending the Third World War, no
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Speaker 4: time for anti Trump left wing globalists. So that's a
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Speaker 4: pretty brutal description of Alberizi as an anti Trump, left
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Speaker 4: wing globalist. The Trump administration is well aware of both
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Speaker 4: Albanisi and Kevin Rud's past comments about the President, and
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Speaker 4: I approached Rudd and the Prime Minister for comment. A
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Speaker 4: spokeswoman for Albanesi said this is wrong. It's an absolutely
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Speaker 4: incorrect insinuation that they have been rebuffed.
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Speaker 3: Now, my understanding is that Donald.
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Speaker 4: Trump's trade advisor, Peter Navarro is not keen on the
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Speaker 4: idea of giving Australia a trade exemption, and Treasurer Jim
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Speaker 4: Chalmers downplayed hopes of an exemption when he returned from
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Speaker 4: Washington on the weekend.
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Speaker 5: Oh, We're under no illusions. It will be hard, I think,
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Speaker 5: as Penny Wong has pointed out before, this is a
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Speaker 5: big hill to climb. It will be harder this time
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Speaker 5: than last time. We had a very productive conversation. We
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Speaker 5: were able to make the case. They heard us out,
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Speaker 5: and you know, I'm not going to take any outcome
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Speaker 5: for granted or try and make predictions or preempt where
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Speaker 5: the Americans might land.
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Speaker 4: But Trump has said publicly that he understands Australia has
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Speaker 4: a trade surplus with America. He's also said he'd give
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Speaker 4: great consideration to an exemption.
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Speaker 6: We have a surplus with Australia. What are the few
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Speaker 6: and the reason is they buy a lot of aeroplanes.
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Speaker 6: They are rather far away and they need lots of aeroplanes,
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Speaker 6: and we actually have a surplus. It's one of the
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Speaker 6: only countries.
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Speaker 7: Which we do.
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Speaker 4: But Australia is the least of Trump's concerns at the moment,
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Speaker 4: as he deals with the fallout of the explosive Zelensky meeting.
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Speaker 4: He's also preparing to deliver a major address to Congress
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Speaker 4: on Tuesday night. Yet Trump has found the time to
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Speaker 4: meet out the White House with the leaders of Israel, Japan, Jordan, India, France,
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Speaker 4: the United Kingdom, and of course Ukraine. Our Prime minister
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Speaker 4: hasn't made the trip to the White House since Trump's
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Speaker 4: election in November. And if alban Easy can't manage proper
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Speaker 4: communication with a president of the United States, well that's
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Speaker 4: a terrible look for him, particularly on the eve of
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Speaker 4: a federal election. It exposes the distance in the relationship
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Speaker 4: between Australia and our greatest and most important strategic and
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Speaker 4: security ally America. Under the Albanesi government, It's a relationship
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Speaker 4: that Peter Dutton believes he could manage more effectively.
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Speaker 8: Well, I've worked very closely with the Obama administration, with
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Speaker 8: the Trump administration, with the Biden administration, and we have
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Speaker 8: good relationships with a number of people in the forty
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Speaker 8: seventh presidency in the West Wing, and we can work
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Speaker 8: very closely and effectively with them.
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Speaker 4: There's a little doubt that alban Easy like the personal skills,
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Speaker 4: the charisma, the strength of the political nous to deal
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Speaker 4: effectively with Donald Trump and achieve the best outcomes for
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Speaker 4: our country. Now, I'm going to come back to that
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Speaker 4: story in a moment with Bronwin Bishop and Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 4: But first, right now, as we go to air, Queensland
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Speaker 4: and northern New South Wales are preparing for a major cyclone.
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Speaker 4: It's expected to hit in just two days time. Meteorologists
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Speaker 4: say Cyclone Alfred is a once in a fifty year
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Speaker 4: weather event and there are serious concerns about the impact
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Speaker 4: it'll have. It could reach serious devastation residents could lose
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Speaker 4: power and fresh water for days. Four million Queenslanders are
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Speaker 4: on high alert now. The cyclone is forecast to hit
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Speaker 4: Australian land on Thursday night.
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Speaker 3: Or Friday morning.
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Speaker 4: The Bureau of Meteorology predicts that its impact would be
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Speaker 4: greatest in Brisbane, the Gold Coast and the Northern Rivers
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Speaker 4: basically southern Queensland and northern New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: A tropical cyclone watch extends from Sandy Cape in Queensland
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Speaker 2: down to areas just north of Grafton in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Now in those areas we are likely to see gale
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Speaker 2: force winds developing in the next twenty four to forty
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Speaker 2: eight hours.
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Speaker 4: There are also warning that there'll be heavy rainfall and
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Speaker 4: life threatening flash fighting for both Thursday and Friday, and
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Speaker 4: the wind gusts are predicted to be up to one
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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty kilometers an hour. There are also warnings
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Speaker 4: that waves could reach nine meters high, creating dangerous conditions
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Speaker 4: on the water. Now the Bureau of Meteorologies say this
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Speaker 4: will be a Category two most likely when it hits
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Speaker 4: Queensland's southeast coast, and families from South Stridebog Island are
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Speaker 4: already evacuating.
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Speaker 9: Voluntary evacuations are already occurring on South Stridebrack Island as
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Speaker 9: a precaution. Our emergency crews are also door knocking the
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Speaker 9: at risk areas across sun On Coast, Morton and the
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Speaker 9: Brisbane Buy areas today.
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Speaker 4: As a result of all of this, there is panic
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Speaker 4: buying in Queensland supermarkets, The Courier Mail reporting that water
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Speaker 4: has sold out in many suburbs and milk and bread
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Speaker 4: are running low. Queensland Premier David Chrisafooley and New Southeales
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Speaker 4: Premier Chris Mins are both warning residents to prepare for
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Speaker 4: the worst.
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Speaker 10: Alfred's obviously a major concern for New South Wales tropical cyclone,
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Speaker 10: warning that we haven't had in the state for decades.
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Speaker 11: It is serious and it is happening and we want
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Speaker 11: Queenslanders to be prepared. We are and we want Queenslanders
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Speaker 11: to know we'll get through this if you do the
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Speaker 11: preparation now.
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Speaker 4: Aside from the devastation of the cyclone, this could also
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Speaker 4: impact the timing of the federal election. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: was poised to call the election on Sunday afternoon for
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Speaker 4: April twelve. He was expected to head to Yarra Lamla
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Speaker 4: to see the Governor General either on Sunday after the
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Speaker 4: WA election on Saturday or on Monday, and he's already
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Speaker 4: deployed Labour staff to their campaign a headquarters in Sydney.
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Speaker 4: Sam Maiden reports today on news dot com dot Au
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Speaker 4: that Labor has canceled their planned economic meetings this week,
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Speaker 4: which were meant to prepare for the budget. She writes
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Speaker 4: that senior cabinet sources have confirmed they expect the PM
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Speaker 4: to visit the Governor General straight after the WA state.
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Speaker 3: Election on March eight.
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Speaker 4: But if the cyclone devastation is catastrophic, and if there's
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Speaker 4: a humanitarian disaster, it would be unseemly for alban Easy
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Speaker 4: to press ahead with calling the election. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: would risk looking heartless and insensitive if he puts his
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Speaker 4: political campaign ahead of the cyclone cleanup effort. It's a
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Speaker 4: point Our regular on the show Cameron Milner makes in
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Speaker 4: The Nightly. He says, now, even for a bloke like Albo,
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Speaker 4: tone death and out of touch, calling a national election
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Speaker 4: would seem like a particularly callous act. Now the election
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Speaker 4: has to be held by May seventeenth, so if Albanze
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Speaker 4: doesn't have it on April twelve, He'll then have to
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Speaker 4: wait until May the third or May the tenth, because
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Speaker 4: in late April there's Easter Anzac Day, the school holidays.
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Speaker 4: Now having the election in May means that Albanize would
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Speaker 4: have to have a federal budget and he's not inclined
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Speaker 4: to do that because he's not going to be able
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Speaker 4: to deliver a surplus yet again, not with Labour's level
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Speaker 4: of pre election spending. Now, Cameron Milner makes the fascinating
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Speaker 4: point that Labour's trying to turn the election campaign into
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Speaker 4: a referendum on Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 3: It's why you're seeing attacks like this.
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Speaker 7: We need leadership with a heart. Peter Dutton represents a
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Speaker 7: could mean spirit. It's sometimes just plain nasty response and
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Speaker 7: that's not going to help people. Seriously, I'll swap my
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Speaker 7: property portfolio with Peters. I'll tell you what weaknesses. Weaknesses
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Speaker 7: not having the guts to come to the National Press Club.
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Speaker 7: Weakness is just saying no to everything before you even
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Speaker 7: see the detail.
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Speaker 4: If Labor is successful in framing the election as a
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Speaker 4: referendum on Peter Dutton, well they could do better. Then
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Speaker 4: the polls are expecting them to do at the moment,
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Speaker 4: and this would be a repeat of how Albanesi eviscerated
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Speaker 4: Scott Morrison's character. But if the election is a referendum
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Speaker 4: on the cost of living, then Labour's done because there's
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Speaker 4: no question Albinizi promised to solve the cost of living
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Speaker 4: crisis and yet every single aspect of life has become
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Speaker 4: more unaffordable under his government. Okay, let's bring in now
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Speaker 4: Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and former Speaker of the House
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Speaker 4: Ronman Bishop.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 4: Now, I want to start with getting your reaction to
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Speaker 4: my exclusive story tonight that Albanizi hasn't managed to schedule
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Speaker 4: another call with Donald Trump, despite a Chinese warship circling
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Speaker 4: our coast and the trade tariffs that kick in on
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Speaker 4: March twelve. Holly, so many leaders have visited the White House,
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Speaker 4: not Albanzi and it can't even get another call.
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Speaker 12: As absolutely disgraceful.
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Speaker 13: We are the only country that is a member of
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Speaker 13: the Quad that hasn't had a meeting with President Trump
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Speaker 13: since his election at leadership level. And it was interesting
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Speaker 13: to hear Penny Wong say that when she was at
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Speaker 13: the UN she couldn't possibly meet with the Israeli representatives
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Speaker 13: because they weren't at her level. Yet, somehow or other,
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Speaker 13: we're expected to believe that sending Penny Wong to the
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Speaker 13: inauguration of Donald Trump was sending some one at the
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Speaker 13: appropriate level. This is a government who is frightened. I
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Speaker 13: think of Donald Trump. They know that he very much
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Speaker 13: bases things on how people behave, what they've said, and he's.
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Speaker 12: Got a very long memory.
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Speaker 13: And you know, as we know, back in seventeen eighteen,
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Speaker 13: when Joe Hockey was the ambassador, he was able to
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Speaker 13: secure an exemption, he was able to get those tariffs
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Speaker 13: held off for Australia. Yet Albaneze's hand picked ambassador, Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 13: can't even secure a meeting or a phone call.
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Speaker 12: And it just shows how pathetic both of them are.
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Speaker 4: What's your reaction to you know, whichever way you look
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Speaker 4: at it, clearly there's not a close relationship between the
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Speaker 4: two leaders.
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Speaker 14: Look, he is a man with a memory, and he
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Speaker 14: really does judge people's character on how they respond to
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Speaker 14: certain things. So he remembers Kevin Rudd, he remarks about
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Speaker 14: him personally, he remembers Albanesi's remarks about him personally, and
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Speaker 14: more particularly, he notes that when he's taken a stance
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Speaker 14: on Ukraine that our Prime minister came out and said,
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Speaker 14: well where all for Ukraine? With the hypocrisy of the man.
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Speaker 14: When asked by Selensky for helicopters, which we no longer,
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Speaker 14: we just buried them. We promised them tanks. They haven't
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Speaker 14: been delivered. So he and that doesn't go unnoticed. So
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Speaker 14: he knows that the character of Albanisi is weak.
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Speaker 12: He just knows it.
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Speaker 14: And when you look at the incidence, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 14: with the Chinese ship in our waters, still it's still
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Speaker 14: still in our waters. What that ship is showing to
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Speaker 14: our Pacific island states is don't rely on Australia, rely
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Speaker 14: on us, because they can't even follow us and know
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Speaker 14: when we're here. So we're in a really difficult bind
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Speaker 14: with this man. And if we were to re elect him,
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Speaker 14: then I think our going relationships are in peril because
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Speaker 14: at every turn, unfortunately, because this is something where we
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Speaker 14: wanted to be bipartisan, where we support our leadership in
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Speaker 14: strong action, but there hasn't been any. And as for
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Speaker 14: the elections that he's said to call, he's just dithering
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Speaker 14: he just did this.
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Speaker 3: It's like you can't make up his mind.
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Speaker 4: He's so indecisive and I can't decide which day he
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Speaker 4: wants to call the election.
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Speaker 3: He I mean, it's just in action.
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Speaker 13: It's completely frustrating, I think to all Australians at the moment,
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Speaker 13: because there's a faux campaign being run. I think Australians
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Speaker 13: have a right to know whether or not they're going
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Speaker 13: to get a budget in three weeks and this.
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Speaker 12: Will they won't they?
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Speaker 13: Oh, I'm not going to tell you it's due on
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Speaker 13: the seventeenth of May. You look, my husband's got a thought.
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Speaker 13: This guy might realize that he's slightly on the nose,
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Speaker 13: So he's clinging on to every day at the address
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Speaker 13: at the Lodge and Kiribillity, just in case it's not
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Speaker 13: his home after the election.
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Speaker 4: I actually get this sense that he's overly confident the
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister. It's a bit like he was before the
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Speaker 4: referendum when he thought the Voice was going to sail through.
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Speaker 4: He was so confident and that's how he's feeling at
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Speaker 4: the moment.
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Speaker 3: Whether there's reason for that or not.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the polls indicate he doesn't have reason to
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Speaker 4: be confident.
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Speaker 14: But the fact that he got a bit of a
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Speaker 14: fillip with the lowering of interest rates, whether that gives
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Speaker 14: a balance in the polls or not, it's given him abouts. Yes,
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Speaker 14: it's given him more confidence to go out. But then
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Speaker 14: I watched today's press confidence and seriously, this was a
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Speaker 14: man who in the election campaign that he won, whenever
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Speaker 14: he give a performance like that, they'd say, oh, he's
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Speaker 14: got COVID and he'd be off for a week. Well
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Speaker 14: I haven't got COVID anymore. So where are they going
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Speaker 14: to send him? What are they going to do with him?
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Speaker 14: We are in a campaign now and it's going to
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Speaker 14: be long and he doesn't have the resilience for that.
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Speaker 12: So whenever, whatever date.
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Speaker 14: He calls, and I agree that the cyclone is going
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Speaker 14: to have but just unless he feels he can go
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Speaker 14: out and be seen as the hero and look at me,
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Speaker 14: I'm giving assistance. That didn't do too well for the
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Speaker 14: former Premier of Queensland, as I recall.
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Speaker 4: But also Dutton's bunker down in Queensland. You know his
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Speaker 4: electorates in Queensland and you know it's going to be Look,
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Speaker 4: we don't want it to be devastating. I hope the
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Speaker 4: weather forecasters the meteorologists have it wrong, as they so
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Speaker 4: often do, but at this point it is expected to
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Speaker 4: be hitting southern Queensland quite hard. All right, let's have
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Speaker 4: a look at this report in the finn Review today.
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Speaker 4: It shows that the gender pay gap is still a
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Speaker 4: problem in corporate Australia, the AFAR reporting that the best
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Speaker 4: paid workers at some of Australia's top companies are still
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Speaker 4: overwhelmingly men, earning million dollar salaries. Now there's two issues here, Holly.
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Speaker 4: You know, the issue is there's either a gap when
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Speaker 4: men and women are doing the same job but they're
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Speaker 4: paid different. But I think what we're seeing more and
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Speaker 4: more is that it's just that more men have seen
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Speaker 4: your roles than women do and thus.
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Speaker 3: Earn higher salaries.
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Speaker 13: What do you think, well, and I mean the reality
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Speaker 13: is most of the time women are the caregivers and
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Speaker 13: so it's women who quite often take a step out
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Speaker 13: of their career for a period of time. Now, whether
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Speaker 13: that's right or wrong, I know that we talk about
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Speaker 13: all the time about fathers being given more leave and
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Speaker 13: better at work, you know, working conditions for men to
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Speaker 13: be more flexible to spend more time with their families
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Speaker 13: and it is important that kids have a good relationship
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Speaker 13: with their dads, but that hasn't been the trend in
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Speaker 13: the past. And you know, hopefully as we go forward
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Speaker 13: we will see more women enter into those top echelons
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Speaker 13: of management. But I think as far as the gender
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Speaker 13: pay gap goes, you know, there is a lot of
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Speaker 13: legislation that the Labor Party wants, you know, put in
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Speaker 13: that if you're doing the same job, it's same pay.
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Speaker 13: Remember they had the big slogan about that. So I
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Speaker 13: think we need to understand where it is and where
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Speaker 13: it's coming from, and it's sort of a totality of care,
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Speaker 13: not people getting paid less for doing the same same job.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Robin, I'm really interested to hear your insights
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Speaker 4: on this because when you came through in politics, there
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Speaker 4: weren't many women in politics at all or in senior
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Speaker 4: roles in corporate Australia. You know, you really were, You
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Speaker 4: are a trailblazer.
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Speaker 14: It's perfectly true. There were for twenty years no women
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Speaker 14: at all in the Lower House. And when I went
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Speaker 14: into the Senate, when you realized that the first woman
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Speaker 14: to be elected, and she wasn't elected, she was a
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Speaker 14: placement by the Western Australian government for a casual vacancy
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Speaker 14: was nineteen forty three, a labor center from Western Australia.
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Speaker 14: I went in in nineteen eighty seven and New South
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Speaker 14: Wales had never elected popularly a female senator then. But
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Speaker 14: the difference is and I was sort of one of
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Speaker 14: the original members of Chief Executive Women. So I'm very
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Speaker 14: pleased women who have taken strong steps forward and are
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Speaker 14: in those sessols.
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Speaker 3: Look at the top of the Macquarie.
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Speaker 14: Banks, she's very impressive and there are a lot of
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Speaker 14: women as a caliber. But it gets used by some
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Speaker 14: people to say until we've got even numbers of men
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Speaker 14: and women, that there's a pay gap. Well, it doesn't
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Speaker 14: work like that. It's still got to be the best
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Speaker 14: person for the job. And there's no place for DEI
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Speaker 14: in those top jobs.
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Speaker 12: You just don't get the leadership.
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Speaker 14: You don't get productivity, you don't get good outcome for
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Speaker 14: your shareholders.
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Speaker 12: But although it's still.
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Speaker 14: Tough and you've really got to fight to stay there
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Speaker 14: and to get on, the opportunities are there. And I
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Speaker 14: think there's one other aspect that I think has been
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Speaker 14: important to women stepping up more, and that is the
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Speaker 14: way that marriage marriages have tended to end in divorce,
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Speaker 14: that a woman has to be prepared very often to
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Speaker 14: support a household, so don't lose your skills.
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Speaker 3: Good point.
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Speaker 4: I just want to say, as a final comment, run
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Speaker 4: when I don't think you have been recognized.
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Speaker 3: I don't not even nearly enough.
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Speaker 4: You haven't been recognized at all by the feminists or
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Speaker 4: the feminist groups for the role you've played in bringing
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Speaker 4: women into politics. And it's because you're a conservative women women,
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Speaker 4: it's because you're from the Liberal Party. All of the
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Speaker 4: feminists groups are basically left wing organizations. And you know
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Speaker 4: you should be celebrated for the role you've played and
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Speaker 4: recognized for that. Absolutely, and you know, maybe we'll have
21:34
Speaker 4: to get you one of the t shirts that Caro
21:36
Speaker 4: de Russo got a few of us.
21:37
Speaker 12: Made during the Me Too movement.
21:39
Speaker 13: Wrong kind of woman because conservative women we deserve it.
21:44
Speaker 13: The Me Too movement believe all women except conservative women.
21:48
Speaker 12: So absolutely.
21:49
Speaker 13: And you know, I get compared to you quite often
21:52
Speaker 13: and people like to leave me feedback or you're just
21:55
Speaker 13: the next Broman Bishop, and I think.
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Speaker 3: Well, what a compliment.
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Speaker 12: I take it as a compliment.
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Speaker 13: I'm not quite sure they mean it that way, I
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Speaker 13: can tell you that's how I take it.
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Speaker 4: I think it definitely is a confident a compliment. You
22:07
Speaker 4: are both very strong women, all right. And on that note,
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Speaker 4: thank you so much, Holly Hughes from a bishop.
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Speaker 3: Wonderful to see you as always. Actually, I appreciate your time.
22:16
Speaker 4: All right, let's return now to this cyclone that we
22:20
Speaker 4: are expecting, Cyclone Alfred, which is currently fluctuating between a
22:24
Speaker 4: category one and category two tropical cyclone. It's expected to
22:27
Speaker 4: hit on late Thursday. The Bureau of Meteorology is Tropical
22:31
Speaker 4: cyclone Watch extends all the way from Sandy Cape and
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Speaker 4: Queensland to just north of Grafton in New South Wales.
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Speaker 4: Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, so families are on
22:41
Speaker 4: high alert. I spoke with a Bureau of Meteorologies Senior
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Speaker 4: meteorologist Angus Heines a little while ago. Angus Heines, thank
22:50
Speaker 4: you so much for your time. When are we expecting
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Speaker 4: Cyclone Alfred to make landfall? Good evening.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen Cyclone Alfred take a real shift today.
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Speaker 1: It had been moving southeast toward slightly away from the country.
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Speaker 1: It's now turned to the west, taking it back towards
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Speaker 1: southeastern parts of Queensland. We have just issued the latest
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Speaker 1: forecast track for Alfred and that track shows a likely
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Speaker 1: arrival time of very late in the day Thursday night,
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Speaker 1: perhaps the last hour or two on Thursday, That could
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Speaker 1: be the first hour or two of Friday morning. So
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Speaker 1: it's around that midnight time period Thursday into Friday where
23:26
Speaker 1: we are anticipating Tropical Cyclone Alfred to arrive. And the
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Speaker 1: coastal crossing location that hasn't really shifted from the most
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Speaker 1: recent tracks. We still expect that to be between Brisbane
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Speaker 1: and the Sunshine Coast in southeast Queensland.
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Speaker 4: So which areas are most at risk and what's your
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Speaker 4: advice to families who are in those areas? Are you
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Speaker 4: saying to evacuate or what should people do?
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Speaker 1: So there are a number of areas which are at
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Speaker 1: risk of seeing some really significant weather impacts from Tropical
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Speaker 1: Cyclone Alfred. Heavy rain and flooding will pack large parts
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Speaker 1: of eastern Queensland from around about Fraser Island down right
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Speaker 1: to the cool and Gata Cool and Gatta on the
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Speaker 1: coast with northern New South Wales and in New South Wales,
24:11
Speaker 1: heavy rain and flooding is anticipated for the northern Rivers,
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Speaker 1: the mid North Coast and parts of the Northern Tablelands,
24:17
Speaker 1: damaging it to destructive winds will also be significant for
24:20
Speaker 1: many areas. In particular, the winds will be strongest near
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Speaker 1: and south of the crossing point. That means places like Brisbane,
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Speaker 1: the Gold Coast, tweedheads, cool and gatter as well as
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Speaker 1: up into the hinterlands, the tablelands and elevated to rain
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Speaker 1: for eastern parts of the country could see those strongest
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Speaker 1: winds now. The advice for people in the affected areas
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Speaker 1: is a to stay up to date with warnings and
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Speaker 1: forecast information for where and when Alfred is likely to arrive.
24:46
Speaker 1: But then also it's to turn to your local authorities
24:49
Speaker 1: and your local emergency services during the time of severe weather.
24:53
Speaker 1: They'll have the best information for how each individual community
24:56
Speaker 1: is best equipped to handle the passing of tropical cyclone
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Speaker 1: out and that's going to be the best way to
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Speaker 1: get information during the severe weather event.
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Speaker 4: We're being told that this is once in a fifty
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Speaker 4: year weather event. Just how severe is this whining and
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Speaker 4: how will it be different from other cyclones we've seen
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Speaker 4: in Northern Queensland.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, this is a very uncommon. It's an unusual
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Speaker 1: weather set up to get a tropical cyclone affecting the
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Speaker 1: country this far south. There have been a few in
25:27
Speaker 1: recent decades. We had Tropical Cyclone Omer in twenty nineteen,
25:31
Speaker 1: although that one didn't make landfall, it got quite close
25:34
Speaker 1: to southeast Queensland before it went away over the ocean
25:37
Speaker 1: back off to the north there. We've had a few
25:39
Speaker 1: also over recent decades which have been tropical cyclones and
25:43
Speaker 1: then turned into tropical lows, but have still brought some
25:46
Speaker 1: very significant weather impacts to this part of the country.
25:49
Speaker 1: But it has been many decades since a fully fledged
25:52
Speaker 1: tropical cyclone has made landfall. It will be a significant
25:56
Speaker 1: weather event. The rainfall numbers we're looking at are very large,
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Speaker 1: multiple hundreds of millimeters a day for several days in
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Speaker 1: a row. We could see extensive flooding of the river
26:06
Speaker 1: network through both southern Queensland and northern New South Wales,
26:09
Speaker 1: including the possibility of major flooding in parts of both states.
26:14
Speaker 1: And the winds could be gusting up to about one
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty kilometers an hour, particularly near the crossing
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Speaker 1: point of tropical Cyclone Alfred. That is a destructive wind.
26:22
Speaker 1: It can cause significant damage for places that do experience
26:26
Speaker 1: those very strong winds. So this is a powerful, significant
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Speaker 1: and unusual weather event for that part of the country.
26:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, really worrying for us there, Anger Siins.
26:35
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time.
26:37
Speaker 1: Thank you, Stay safe.
26:39
Speaker 4: Still to come as Trump suspends weapons to Ukraine. Marada
26:43
Speaker 4: Devine tells us about the general the Trump administration is
26:47
Speaker 4: eyeing to replace Zelenski and our letter to the Prime
26:51
Speaker 4: Minister demanding he endorsed the outcomes from our antisemitism summit.
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Speaker 4: Alex Revchin would join me next. Welcome back well. Our
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Speaker 4: antisemitism summit to about twelve days ago now heard from
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Speaker 4: the brightest minds in Australia about how to fix this crisis.
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Speaker 4: At the end of the summit, Alex Riftrin delivered comprehensive
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Speaker 4: outcomes that we believe would make a tangible difference. They
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Speaker 4: included declaring a national emergency on antisemitism, setting up a
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Speaker 4: joint counter terror task Force, and including antisemitism education in
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Speaker 4: the school curriculum. And to talk about this, let's bring
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Speaker 4: in now. Executive Council of Australian Juries co Chair Alex Riftchin, Alex,
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Speaker 4: thank you so much for being here.
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Speaker 12: Interest.
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Speaker 10: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: So these outcomes you delivered at the end of our
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Speaker 4: summit a week and a half ago on Thursday, you've
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Speaker 4: now sent them to the Prime Minister and Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 4: Is that right?
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Speaker 15: That's right. So, you know, at the conclusion of the summit,
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Speaker 15: which was a spectacular success, you know, we had the
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Speaker 15: brightest minds as you mentioned, across terrorism and policing and education,
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Speaker 15: community leaders, political leaders. John Howard was then spoke brilliantly
28:07
Speaker 15: as h always does, and you know, kind of to
28:10
Speaker 15: coalesce all of the thoughts and ideas and concepts that
28:13
Speaker 15: came out of the expert panels and speakers. We produced
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Speaker 15: this action plan, a concrete plan of fifteen points to
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Speaker 15: comprehensively address anti semptism crisis in this country. And now
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Speaker 15: we've put the challenge to the government, the opposition, and
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Speaker 15: to independence as well and civil society to actually get
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Speaker 15: behind this plan, adopt it and make fighting anti Semitism
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Speaker 15: a national priority and a non partisan priority, because there's
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Speaker 15: too much at stake and the issue is bigger than politics.
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Speaker 4: So your letter asks for the leaders and the independent
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Speaker 4: candidates to endorse the fifteen point action plan and if
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Speaker 4: there are outcomes that they don't want to commit to
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Speaker 4: to explain why they don't support them.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I went through every one of the points,
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Speaker 15: you know, at the closing of the summit, to explain
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Speaker 15: the merits behind it, the thinking behind it, and why
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Speaker 15: will actually correct this horrific state that we found ourselves
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Speaker 15: in terms of antisemitism in Australia, and we hope that
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Speaker 15: it will be comprehensively adopted. There's nothing overly ambitious there.
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Speaker 15: There's are common sense policies to actually improve the lives
29:13
Speaker 15: of the strange Jews and restore our society to what
29:15
Speaker 15: it's meant to be. But we want to put the
29:18
Speaker 15: challenge to the political leaders of our country either adopt
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Speaker 15: a plan or let us know why you can't exactly.
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Speaker 4: It's such a good point, especially when we just heard
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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister on Q and A a week ago
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Speaker 4: say he's done everything. The Jewish community asks, well, now
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Speaker 4: we've sent this letter just on Friday. He would have
29:34
Speaker 4: heard it at the summit, but now we've sent this letter,
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Speaker 4: so we'll see what he comes back with. Let's just
29:38
Speaker 4: go through some of the outcomes that we're saying, we'll
29:41
Speaker 4: make a practical difference to the antisemitism crisis on education.
29:46
Speaker 4: It includes tackling antisemitism on university campuses and in the
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Speaker 4: school curriculum.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, so here we have both. I suppose you call
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Speaker 15: it a treatment of the symptoms and the long term cure.
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Speaker 15: In terms of what's happening on university campuses, Jewish students,
30:04
Speaker 15: staff and academics should not have to endure what they've
30:07
Speaker 15: faced over the past academic year. Encampments, support for terrorism,
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Speaker 15: the storming of their lectures, being forced to identify themselves
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Speaker 15: as as Zionis, and lecture theaters. This is a current behavior,
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Speaker 15: it's not on and it degrades our university system. And
30:21
Speaker 15: so we're calling for a ban on encampments, a ban
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Speaker 15: on the storming of university lectures, and also an inquiry
30:29
Speaker 15: into a judicial quarienty semptism on campus to get to
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Speaker 15: the bottom of issues like foreign funding, who is funding
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Speaker 15: these protests, what outside intervention is taking place on campuses.
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Speaker 4: And of course this is something the government has rejected.
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Speaker 3: It's inexplicable.
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Speaker 4: There's no reason not to have a judicial inquiry into
30:46
Speaker 4: antisemitism on university campuses.
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Speaker 15: Look, the Jewish community has been calling for it the
30:50
Speaker 15: Special Envoy has been calling for it. There's a serious
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Speaker 15: crisis and a serious problem that's occurring on every campus
30:56
Speaker 15: in the nation, and so our feeling was and it
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Speaker 15: remains that we need a judicial to take this outside
31:01
Speaker 15: the politics and partisanship at Acrimoni de Parliament give privilege
31:05
Speaker 15: and confidence and confidentiality to those who give evidence to
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Speaker 15: this inquiry, and we don't see why it can't be adopted.
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Speaker 15: The opposition supports this, we understand, and now we're calling
31:14
Speaker 15: for the government to do likewise, to again make this
31:17
Speaker 15: a unified, bipartisan action.
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Speaker 4: And then in the school system, it's incorporating not just
31:23
Speaker 4: Holocaust education, but Holocaust education as an example of where
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Speaker 4: antisemitism can lead.
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Speaker 15: Precise, I mean whole clast education we all know is essential.
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Speaker 15: There's a great virtue in teaching it. There are so
31:35
Speaker 15: many lessons in the Holocaust about the depths of in humanity,
31:38
Speaker 15: the process from dehumanization to destruction. It needs to be taught,
31:42
Speaker 15: but it's got to be taught correctly, and it has
31:44
Speaker 15: to be positioned within the broader study of anti semitism.
31:46
Speaker 15: Otherwise it consigns Holocaust history to ancient history in Europe,
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Speaker 15: which seems irrelevant to students today. They need to understand
31:54
Speaker 15: anti semitism in the here and now, how it presents
31:57
Speaker 15: and what it's doing to our society.
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Speaker 4: In terms of immigration, this has been a big issue.
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Speaker 4: You know, when we said to Sky News viewers, contact
32:05
Speaker 4: us with your ideas.
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Speaker 3: A lot of those ideas.
32:09
Speaker 4: Were kind of deport the violent criminals who are anti Semitic. Now,
32:14
Speaker 4: in many cases they can't be deported because they're Australian citizens.
32:18
Speaker 4: But some of the outcomes here are about potentially amending
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Speaker 4: the Migration Act to ensure that anti Symitic conduct is
32:26
Speaker 4: grounds to both reject a new visa or counsel an
32:31
Speaker 4: existing one.
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Speaker 3: Take us through that, well.
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Speaker 15: Look, there's no reason why someone who exhibits antisemitic behavior, prejudice,
32:39
Speaker 15: expresses support for terrorism and the destruction of the Jewish
32:41
Speaker 15: people should pass a character test for migration to Australia.
32:45
Speaker 15: I mean, anyone that has this mindset is a danger
32:48
Speaker 15: to our national security and a danger to our communities.
32:50
Speaker 15: And we would effectively be on the one hand trying
32:53
Speaker 15: to lessen and ameliorate the problem of anti Semitism, another
32:57
Speaker 15: hand deepening it by importing people to this country. That
33:00
Speaker 15: for such prejudice. So we want to ensure that the
33:02
Speaker 15: migration art is fit for purpose. Either it's enforced properly
33:05
Speaker 15: or it's amended as necessary to ensure that we can
33:08
Speaker 15: vet and test people for these sorts of views and
33:11
Speaker 15: denial councel visas for people who are rapidly anti Submitic
33:13
Speaker 15: composed the threat to our society.
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Speaker 4: And on the day I interviewed Peter Darton and he
33:18
Speaker 4: immediately expressed support for an idea like that. And I
33:22
Speaker 4: think that was the problem that many of us had
33:24
Speaker 4: with the near three thousand visas that were issued to Gazans.
33:29
Speaker 4: It wasn't just that there were necessarily national security concerns
33:34
Speaker 4: about every one of them, but had they already been
33:36
Speaker 4: indoctrinated to hate Jews? Were we importing more anti Semitism
33:40
Speaker 4: into the country. So this seeks to address some of
33:43
Speaker 4: those concerns.
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Speaker 15: And what was really disappointing at that time when concerns
33:47
Speaker 15: were being raised about the levels of vetting. Is it
33:49
Speaker 15: possible to vet that many people in such a short
33:51
Speaker 15: period of time. The response by some media commentators and
33:54
Speaker 15: some in government was to accuse those questioning this process
33:59
Speaker 15: of races to effectively politicize the issue, but it had
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Speaker 15: nothing to do with race. No one was talking about
34:04
Speaker 15: Palestin's in the West Bank, no one was talking about
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Speaker 15: Arabs in the UAE or Egypt. We were talking about
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Speaker 15: people living for sixteen years under a fascist jihadist regime
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Speaker 15: who were reared with anti semitism in the education system.
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Speaker 15: And Australians have a right to query who these people are,
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Speaker 15: what their prevailing views are, and what threat they may
34:23
Speaker 15: post to Australian society. These are perfectly legitimate questions and
34:27
Speaker 15: when we start flinging around accusations of racism, it degrades
34:30
Speaker 15: the public conversation and it seeks to stifle and silence
34:33
Speaker 15: people who have a legitimate viewpoint.
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Speaker 4: You know, absolutely, just finally, your views on what needs
34:39
Speaker 4: to change in terms of the cultural sector, the arts sector.
34:43
Speaker 4: You know, what are you asking because this has been
34:45
Speaker 4: such a big issue. We only have about thirty seconds,
34:48
Speaker 4: But what's the outcome related to that that you're asking?
34:50
Speaker 15: The pole trying to be quick because it's a big issue,
34:52
Speaker 15: it said, But I remember I was on your show
34:55
Speaker 15: a couple of years ago talking about Adelaide Writers Week,
34:57
Speaker 15: where Louise Adler became the curator invited on overt rabid
35:02
Speaker 15: anti Semites and supporters of terrorism. So the most vicious
35:05
Speaker 15: demagogues we've seen, and they were brought to this country
35:08
Speaker 15: with the public expense. Cultural institutions should reflect the breadth
35:12
Speaker 15: of austrained culture and contribution, but too often they become
35:15
Speaker 15: places where one viewpoint is entrenched and all others are
35:17
Speaker 15: pushed out. So we need to correct that balance and
35:20
Speaker 15: preserve a strained culture.
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Speaker 4: And by the way, you know, it's not just that
35:24
Speaker 4: pro Israel Jews Zionists don't feature at writers festivals, but
35:29
Speaker 4: you know, neither do news corp journalists often or conservatives.
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Speaker 4: It's often just a representation of the left.
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Speaker 3: Wing view of the world.
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Speaker 15: That's ryan. It's claimed to be about artistic expression, and
35:39
Speaker 15: yet only one form of expression is considered legitimate.
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Speaker 4: All right, Alex Richtan really appreciate your frivinily hard work
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Speaker 4: on this.
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Speaker 15: Thank you, so thank you.
35:46
Speaker 4: Shan Now coming up after the break a till and
35:50
Speaker 4: p says labor has broken their trust. Can Dutton now
35:53
Speaker 4: win over the Tills? I'll speak about that a bit
35:56
Speaker 4: later with cam Redden, but first Miranda Devine tells us
35:59
Speaker 4: which you Ukrainian general, the Trump administration is eying to
36:03
Speaker 4: replace Zelenski.
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Speaker 3: That's after this quick break.
36:09
Speaker 4: Welcome back will in Global News, Donald Trump has ordered
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Speaker 4: an indefinite suspension.
36:15
Speaker 3: On military aid to Ukraine.
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Speaker 4: This of course follows the now infamous Overlaffi Stauche with Zelenski. Now,
36:22
Speaker 4: Trump's anger should also, in my view, be directed also
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Speaker 4: at jd Vance, since he was clearly the agitator at
36:31
Speaker 4: the meeting and jd Vance finally broke his silence on
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Speaker 4: Fox News today.
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Speaker 16: I really don't care what President Zelenski says about me
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Speaker 16: or anybody else, but he showed a clear unwillingness to
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Speaker 16: engage in the peace process that President Trump has said
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Speaker 16: is the policy of the American people and of their president.
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Speaker 4: Now, in saying that, it's important to keep in mind
36:52
Speaker 4: that Zelensky has also refused three times now to sign
36:56
Speaker 4: the Mineral's agreement that he knows would economically time America
37:00
Speaker 4: to Ukraine for years to come.
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Speaker 3: But Donald Trump has said that the deal could still
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Speaker 3: be revived.
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Speaker 17: I think everybody has to get into a room, so
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Speaker 17: to speak, and we have to make a deal. And
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Speaker 17: the deal could be made very fast. It should not
37:15
Speaker 17: be that hard. A deal to make. It could be
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Speaker 17: made very fast.
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Speaker 4: But can Zelenski reach a deal? And if he can't,
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Speaker 4: should he resign?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 4: For more on this, I spoke with Miranda Devine, columnist
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Speaker 4: at the New York Post, a little earlier. Miranda Divine,
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Speaker 4: great to see you. As always, this White House over
37:34
Speaker 4: office dispute between Zelenski, jd Vance and Trump has dominated
37:39
Speaker 4: the global agenda over.
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Speaker 3: The past few days.
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Speaker 4: We're getting this sense from the Trump administration that they're
37:45
Speaker 4: saying Zelenski doesn't want piece, that he was offered three
37:48
Speaker 4: opportunities to sign the minerals a deal and he still
37:51
Speaker 4: hasn't done that. What are you hearing about how frustrated
37:55
Speaker 4: the Trump administration is over this.
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Speaker 18: Look, I think they've been in incredibly patient And as
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Speaker 18: you said, this started when Trump sent his Treasury Secretary
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Speaker 18: Scott Bessant to Ukraine, which is difficult. You know, you're
38:09
Speaker 18: on a train for eleven hours and you're going into
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Speaker 18: a war zone. And Scott besson is probably Trump's most
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Speaker 18: significant cabinet member and he was there with the deal,
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Speaker 18: and according to him, Zelensky was incredibly rude. He kept
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Speaker 18: him waiting, and then when the two of them were
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Speaker 18: talking and Scott Besant was trying to explain to him
38:33
Speaker 18: how this deal worked and how it was effectively a
38:37
Speaker 18: security guarantee for Ukraine but an economic one that was
38:42
Speaker 18: the same as boots on the ground, but sort of
38:44
Speaker 18: economic corporate boots on the ground, and it was still
38:48
Speaker 18: a deterrent for Russia. Zelansky just started shouting, and you know,
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Speaker 18: he was also completely unhelpful in Munich when they tried again.
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Speaker 18: Keith Kellogg, who's the former general that Trump's brought in
39:04
Speaker 18: as his sort of envoy to Ukraine to work out
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Speaker 18: these piece deals. He is a very patient and a
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Speaker 18: very dignified man, and he finally had had enough when
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Speaker 18: he was getting on the train to go home, just
39:18
Speaker 18: basically quitting in disgust. And then some of the people
39:22
Speaker 18: around Zelensky quickly rushed some documents to the train so
39:26
Speaker 18: he could sign them, so they could get to the
39:28
Speaker 18: next phase. And it was Zelenski's people who insisted that
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Speaker 18: Zelenski come and sign this deal, this minerals deal, rare
39:38
Speaker 18: earths deal at the White House, and that was all
39:42
Speaker 18: set up. They were supposed to go down the hallway,
39:46
Speaker 18: have dinner, six, have lunch. I mean sixteen of them
39:50
Speaker 18: and then go into a nearby room and with great flourish,
39:53
Speaker 18: in front of the cameras, sign this historic deal, which
39:56
Speaker 18: was you know, Trump said it was ninety eight percent
39:59
Speaker 18: of the peace deal, and Zelenski, in one of his
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Speaker 18: many rude sort of contradictions and interruptions during that almost
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Speaker 18: one hour meeting in the.
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Speaker 12: Oval Office, said it was a two percent deal.
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Speaker 3: So he was obviously he.
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Speaker 18: Should never should have gone to Washington if he wasn't
40:17
Speaker 18: willing to sign that deal. And I mean, I don't
40:20
Speaker 18: really understand it. Some people say that he was put
40:24
Speaker 18: up to try to embarrass Trump and disagree with Trump
40:28
Speaker 18: in that meeting by Democrats who had met with him beforehand.
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Speaker 18: And then you know, there's some talk that he'd been
40:36
Speaker 18: talking to the Europeans and that they put him up
40:39
Speaker 18: to it to embarrass Trump and to make sure that
40:41
Speaker 18: Trump didn't get a win.
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Speaker 3: Miranda JD.
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Speaker 4: Vance also had a major role in escalating the retoric
40:48
Speaker 4: in the Oval Again.
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Speaker 6: JD.
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Speaker 4: Vans has his own agenda. He's looking forward to a
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Speaker 4: future presidential run. Trump's goal for his term currently is
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Speaker 4: to end the war in Ukraine and Russia. He wants
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Speaker 4: to be the president that solved this war. So how
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Speaker 4: do you think this conflict, these tensions might continue to
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Speaker 4: play out between Trump's agenda advances.
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Speaker 18: No, they're not at odds at all. There's no distance
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Speaker 18: between them at all. They are speaking as one. And
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Speaker 18: if you watch the entire meeting, the provocation is coming
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Speaker 18: entirely from Zelenski for the first forty three minutes. So
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Speaker 18: after he snapped at jd Vance, that was when Trump
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Speaker 18: decided I've had enough, and you could see it, and
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Speaker 18: he was still very controlled. People say he lost his temper.
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Speaker 18: That was a man who was not losing his temper,
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Speaker 18: but he was being firm and he'd given up any
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Speaker 18: pretense of being cordial, and he just told Zelenski the facts,
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Speaker 18: which is, you don't have any cards. You know, you
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Speaker 18: rely on the United States to continue your military support,
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Speaker 18: to continue sending you weapons and ammunition. And in fact,
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Speaker 18: this afternoon, the US has just paused the weapons and
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Speaker 18: ammunition to Ukraine. So that will be a wake up
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Speaker 18: call because Europe does not have the wherewith all the arms,
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Speaker 18: the troops to replace America. Keirth Starmer said over the
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Speaker 18: weekend that we need America as a backstop. That was
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Speaker 18: echoed by other European leaders. Zelenski knows that and America.
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Speaker 18: You know, this was a one off opportunity for Zelenski,
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Speaker 18: that was a win win for Ukraine and for the
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Speaker 18: United States and the rest of the world to end
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Speaker 18: the war. And Donald Trump's genuine about his humanitarian purpose
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Speaker 18: is to stop the deaths. And Zelensky doesn't seem to
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Speaker 18: care about peace.
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Speaker 4: Miranda, given this as the state of the relations at
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Speaker 4: the moment, do you think there is a push by
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Speaker 4: the Trump administration for Zelenski to resign, for there to
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Speaker 4: be a change in leadership in Ukraine.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I wouldn't call it a push, but it's certainly
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Speaker 18: been a suggestion by a couple of cabinet members. And
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Speaker 18: you know, just in interviews they've just said, well, you know,
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Speaker 18: if Zelensky is an obstacle to peace, maybe Ukraine needs
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Speaker 18: to find someone else. But you know that's up to
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Speaker 18: the Ukrainian people, and you know, it'll be up to
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Speaker 18: the Ukrainian generals who you know, it's said that they
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Speaker 18: are dissatisfied with Zelenski. In fact, when he went to
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Speaker 18: London to meet Kis Starmer on the weekend, you might
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Speaker 18: have noticed this tall, very imposing man who is the
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Speaker 18: Ukrainian ambassador to the UK, who was a very popular
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Speaker 18: general in Ukraine, who ran the first couple of years
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Speaker 18: of the war when they were doing well, and surprised
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Speaker 18: everybody with how strong they were against Russia. He's a,
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Speaker 18: you know, a brilliant general.
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Speaker 12: But he and.
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Speaker 18: Zelensky fell out, and rather than knocking him off, bumping
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Speaker 18: him off like he's done to other people who've displeased him,
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Speaker 18: this general is so popular that Zelensky sort of exiled
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Speaker 18: him to the UK. And he was interviewed just a
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Speaker 18: day before that Oval Office meeting and asked about his
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Speaker 18: political aspirations, and he said, look, if there are elections
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Speaker 18: at some point, then he would consider putting his hat
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Speaker 18: in the ring.
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Speaker 4: All right, Miranda Devine, we really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 12: Thanks so much.
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Speaker 4: And that Ukrainian general that Miranda was speaking about there is.
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Speaker 4: His name is Valeri Zaluzinni. Valeri Zaluzini. I'm sure I'm
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Speaker 4: not pronouncing that correctly, but you can look him up.
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Speaker 4: He is a very tall, very big, intimidating looking figure.
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Speaker 3: All right, don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 4: Albinizi and Peter Darton are open to campaign debates, but
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Speaker 4: who will hold them? Sky News Political Report of cam
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Speaker 4: Redden would join me for his analysis after this.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 4: Well, we could be just days away from the federal
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Speaker 4: election and I'm joined now by sky News Political Report
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Speaker 4: of cam Redden. Cam Look, there are reports that both
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Speaker 4: Albanezi and Dutton are keen on multiple debates three or
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Speaker 4: maybe four ahead of the election. Who do we expect
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Speaker 4: is going to host them?
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Speaker 10: Well, we could expect them to be shared around, Shry.
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Speaker 10: I've got to say these debates are pretty interesting because
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Speaker 10: even if you win them, you often don't gain a lot.
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Speaker 10: But we saw in the United States if you lose them,
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Speaker 10: just how badly things can go wrong. I'm not saying
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Speaker 10: we can expect the Joe Biden style moment here, but
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Speaker 10: it always is a good insight. I do think though,
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Speaker 10: the one difference will be the Sky News People's Forum,
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Speaker 10: and I would say that, of course, the reason is
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Speaker 10: it's the least scripted most we would but it is
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Speaker 10: a reason because it's the most unpredictable. And both sides
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Speaker 10: will say that because they're both pretty experienced campaigners at
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Speaker 10: this point, Sharry, they can work their way to a
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Speaker 10: kneel or drawer a debate and get out relatively unscared.
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Speaker 10: But the people's forums are unpredictable. You don't know what
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Speaker 10: Joe blogs on the street is going to ask of
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Speaker 10: a leader, and that's why that'll be the one. Yes,
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Speaker 10: of course I would say that, and I know we would.
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Speaker 10: But they're the ones that both sides will be preparing
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Speaker 10: the most for and will surely be the best test
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Speaker 10: of both leaders because they're pretty hard to prepare for
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Speaker 10: when you don't know exactly what questions are going to
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Speaker 10: be thrown up.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good point.
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Speaker 4: They're both very polished performers, and you know on Q
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Speaker 4: and A a week ago when the Prime Minister was
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Speaker 4: up against the public asking questions, I mean you just
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Speaker 4: take Janet, the mother of four who's Jewish from Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: I mean she asked the Prime Minister much tougher questions
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Speaker 4: than any interview he'd normally agree with. Now I want
46:43
Speaker 4: to ask you about the Teals and we're seeing this
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Speaker 4: fallout between the Teals and Labor Minister Don Farrell overcapping
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Speaker 4: political donations. This is fascinating and Goldstein MP Zoey Daniel
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Speaker 4: is one of those who's hit out at this tell
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Speaker 4: us what this fight boils down to and whether it
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Speaker 4: means that Peter Dutton could win their support in a
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Speaker 4: hung parliament.
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Speaker 3: It's possible.
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Speaker 10: I don't think they'll go running into the coalition's arms
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Speaker 10: if that was an option, Sharry, although I do think
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Speaker 10: we can expect this issue of campaign donations and spending
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Speaker 10: caps and reforms in this area to be a bargaining
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Speaker 10: chip in a minority government, because it's not just the Tills,
47:22
Speaker 10: although they've been the key leaders in this. We remember
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Speaker 10: Zali Stegel just a few weeks ago in an arguing
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Speaker 10: match with Don Farrell in the corridors of Parliament here.
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Speaker 10: But the entire cross Bench hates these rules. They think
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Speaker 10: they're designed to shut them out of politics and to
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Speaker 10: shut out independent challenges to the major parties. So this
47:39
Speaker 10: could be a key bargaining chip Sharry. If the two
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Speaker 10: major parties fall a couple of seats short, no one
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Speaker 10: can form a majority. This might be one of those
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Speaker 10: tools on the table for somebody to try and find
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Speaker 10: a path to a minority.
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Speaker 4: We're seeing what's being dubbed a race to define Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 4: This effort by Labor to turn the campaign into a
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Speaker 4: referendum on Dutton's character.
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Speaker 10: I think it's interesting, Shari that both sides in a
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Speaker 10: way have leant out of the hard man, the tough
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Speaker 10: former Defense and former Home Affairs Minister kind of persided
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Speaker 10: because I think anecdotally too, that's what most people have
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Speaker 10: in their mind. We've seen Labor focus on his record
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Speaker 10: as Health Minister. Keep in mind that was just fifteen
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Speaker 10: months in the Abbott government, and Peter Darton points regularly
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Speaker 10: to his time as the assistant treasurer to Peter Costello
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Speaker 10: that was nearly twenty years ago. So there is an
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Speaker 10: attempt to kind of define the rest of his personality.
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Speaker 10: We'll see how much of that comes to bear as
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Speaker 10: they spend more time on the campaign trail.
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Speaker 4: Cam Reddin, great to see you as always. I'll see
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Speaker 4: everyone tomorrow. Here's Paul Murray.