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171 // Stop the Caffeine Crash: Can Mushrooms Help You Make Real Energy? [Interview: Ben Bressington] · Health with Hashimoto’s - Thyroid or Immune Education for Autoimmune Thyroid Disease

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Caffeine gives you a burst of energy by borrowing from tomorrow.
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When your body makes its own energy instead of faking it with caffeine,
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that is when you can finally start to feel steady and calm and energized.
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Welcome to episode 171 of the Health with Hashimoto's podcast.
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I have an interview for you today and I think you're going to love it if you
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are looking for natural solutions for better energy.
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Welcome to the Health with Hashimoto's podcast. This is where you will find
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clarity and simple, sustainable strategies to feel better.
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I want to help you figure out your root causes.
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My name is Esther Yunkin. I am a registered nurse.
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I spent about 17 years in the emergency department and then got sick and tired
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of putting Band-Aids on chronic things.
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I went back to school and now I have been in holistic health education for about 10 years.
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I know how exhausting it is to live with fatigue, brain fog,
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and the ups and downs of Hashimoto's, and that is why I'm here.
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I'm here to cut through the confusion and to give you practical steps that support
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your body, calm your immune system, so that you can regain your energy and feel like yourself again.
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I'd love to introduce you to my guest today, who is Ben Bressington.
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He is the founder of Bear Remedy, which is a company focused on helping people
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manage stress and restore energy naturally.
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After facing his own health challenges and discovering how high cortisol and
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burnout were affecting his body, he began exploring functional mushrooms and
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adaptogens as powerful natural tools for recovery.
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Today, he is on a mission to help a million people feel calm,
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focused, and energized without relying on caffeine or quick fixes.
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Through Bare Remedy, he creates potent mushroom tinctures and adaptogenic gummies
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designed to support balanced cortisol, steady energy, and better resilience.
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And that is something that every single woman with Hashimoto's can appreciate.
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So welcome to the podcast, Ben. I'm so happy to have you.
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Can you tell us a little bit about your story? Why did you get into this?
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Well, one of the things, it was funny with my ex-wife, we spent six years going
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through IVF and the complications of IVF treatment on her body,
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the side effects it actually created.
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Was very eye-opening for a man who's kind of ignorant of the health world.
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Like, to be honest, I had no idea of the health world. I kind of just thought
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medicine was there to help you.
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And after spending six years and seeing specialists all around the world,
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like we went and did IVF in Spain and seeing some of the leaders,
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the leading surgeons and clinicians over there and just all the stuff.
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And you get to experience the different levels of medical treatment or lack
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of medical treatment or sometimes the like,
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let's just run your entire bowels and see what's going on and really dismiss the 40% side effect.
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You're going to have a colostomy bag that like, it's just like,
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well, it's just 20 grand out of pocket. No worries, just do it, right?
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And this approach to me just really woke me up to how messed up the medical
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system is and how messed up the advice a lot of people get or how,
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I would say, immature it is.
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Because we're gonna look back in a few years and go, okay, we were telling people to do this.
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It's kind of like putting leeches on your body for blood extraction, right?
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Like, leeches weren't that many years ago.
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I don't think people actually understand the scope of this. This is not talking
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100 years ago. This is, people were still doing it 20, 30 years ago.
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So medicine is an interesting beast. And now that I'm in the belly of the beast
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doing a whole lot of alternative holistic medicines, what we're seeing is just completely amazing.
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So my journey was through personal pain.
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And then obviously I went through the whole journey of a burnout from drinking
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six cans of monster energy drink a day with about 10 different espresso coffees, not just like,
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coffee, but like I was drinking espresso coffees and then wondering why I can't sleep to save my life.
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And like, so yeah, I would go to Costco and buy a 24 pack of monster energy
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drinks and I would be lucky if that would last two days.
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So, and Costco doesn't sell the baby cans.
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Costco sells the big big cans so yeah
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and then when you talk about the impact of that and i didn't
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understand how my stomach was just being totally destroyed and like that with
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that impact uh and it took many many years and to write the ship and i feel
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like you just don't know and sometimes you just don't know where to turn we
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deal with i get to deal with a lot of people dealing with immunotherapies.
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Chemotherapies whatever type of therapy you want to name because what mushrooms
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do is really broad and how they're,
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healing themselves and allowing their bodies to go through a healing process is quite fascinating.
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So I've just kind of now committed my life to facilitating that and empowering
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people to feel clean health.
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And it's a way for people to connect with each other. I think that's one of
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the important elements of this health journey is actually connecting and reconnecting
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with people because I still feel that we're in a world where people are more
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disconnected than ever before.
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And I think it's all to do with how we feed our brain, how we feed our body,
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how we nourish our souls.
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And that's one of the fascinating things when you deal in the medical world, right?
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Like just the spiritual elements of health.
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They don't believe it because they can't validate it, but you know what?
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There is something to it.
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And just the recharging your spirit.
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And sometimes you don't realize like a little thing that catches a lot of people
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is dealing with gluten, right?
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Like it took a long time and it was only until one nurse after many,
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many months of failed gluten intolerance treatment, she goes,
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how long are you giving up bread or giving up like gluten-based products?
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She goes, you are aware it takes 21 days for gluten to leave your body.
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So you just doing a seven-day detox is literally doing nothing for you.
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And nobody told us that after thousands and thousands of dollars of doctor's
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time, treatment protocols, these detox things for this gluten type stuff.
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And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, you aren't giving it enough time. Oh, no.
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Like, where was that conversation two years ago?
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Right. They're just going to take your money but not give you the information
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you actually need to make a difference.
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Yeah, and it was only when like a nurse pulled us aside and said,
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hey, like, you are aware of this, right? And we're like, no.
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We're like, where's that on any of the literature? Where's that on the videos
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or the education you give?
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Where is that? When did the doctor tell us this?
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And yeah, it was just so like as traumatic as that journey I went through to
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health, I now realize there is better alternatives.
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And some of those alternatives, funny enough, are the things that the Native
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Americans or indigenous people have been doing for centuries.
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And what I love about mushrooms, for example, is that medical companies,
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I only learned this recently, medical companies will actually study mushrooms.
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And they will take one of the compounds out of a mushroom, like one cellular
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derivative, right? And then because they can pattern that.
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But what they'll leave is they'll leave maybe the four or five other molecules
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in that that stabilize that, which if you take the mushroom versus taking the
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pharmaceutical alternative has all these side effects.
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The mushroom has none because it stabilizes itself at a molecular level.
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And I'm like, wow, like, holy crap, like, this is interesting.
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Maybe it's just interesting to me, but maybe now I'm a little weird and I'm
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in the world of hippies and stuff like that.
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No, I absolutely understand. And it happens so many times in medicine.
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I talk about one natural herb product. It's a combination of five herbs.
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And a pharmaceutical company tried to mimic it.
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And when they did their double-blind placebo, they compared it to this natural herb.
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And they found that the natural herb had zero side effects and is like $50 a
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month. and the pharmaceutical mimic, it had worse efficacy, more side effects,
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and they still put it on the market.
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And I believe they're charging like $50,000 a month.
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That is such a broken system when people can turn to natural things.
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And because of that synergy that God gave us in the plants, you're right.
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Most of them, or a lot of them, don't have side effects. So tell us more about
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this spike and crash stress cycle from people reaching for caffeine.
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I'm just, I'm so shocked that you were having that many monsters and espressos.
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I'm glad you got off of those. but tell us because let me back up a little bit.
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One of my most played episodes is episode 67 of the Health with Hashimoto's podcast.
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And that's where I'm talking about coffee and how you can't have coffee.
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You know, I say can't, you shouldn't have coffee within 30 to 60 minutes of
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your thyroid medication because of how it impacts the medication.
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And of course, people have to take the thyroid medication first thing in the morning.
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And what do they want first thing in the morning? they want energy so
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they reach for coffee and then the second thing
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that coffee does is that caffeine itself spikes the cortisol cortisol is our
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stress hormone and that can wreak havoc on autoimmune problems so tell us a
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little bit about the coffee and that spike and crash stress cycle and how that
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impacts or how the functional mushrooms can impact this,
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Well, it's not just the coffee, it's the caffeine in it and the acidity of the coffee, right?
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So, because coffee is a huge spectrum and some people love Waffle House coffee.
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They swear by it, where other people are the Starbucks people, right?
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Or Nespresso, or when I go to Canada, Tim Horton's coffee is just like crack to me, right?
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So, it's more about the caffeine. And now we've got all these caffeine stimulants, right?
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They're even putting caffeine in chewing tobacco, so you can now have chewing
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tobacco with the caffeine, right? So it's faster ingestion right into your cheek, right?
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So what I explain to most people is there's a difference between natural caffeine
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and synthetic caffeine.
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And in all of our mushroom products, there's no caffeine.
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So where do you get energy that lasts six to eight hours that's clean and smooth?
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It's what the body does with it. And what most people don't realize is,
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like, I still have a coffee in the morning, and I'll take two of our energy gummies.
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I'll take one of our performance tinctures.
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And the difference is, is how mushrooms work to caffeine. This is why caffeine
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is called the crash every two to four hours, right?
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Because it's telling your body, oh my God, we need energy.
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You've got energy. And what it's not doing is making energy.
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It's going, now Esther's got energy. Let's get energized.
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And like, so you get kind of hyper. And this is where people know that threshold.
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Two cups, three cups, maybe for some heavy caffeine whores like myself,
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it's kind of seven to eight cups, right? Where you kind of get the jitters because
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you've had too many cups of coffee. That's now that caffeine overload.
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And it's like simulating your body to actually generate energy, but it's faking it.
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This is why there's that big crash, that dive.
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Where what mushrooms do is they'll go, oh my God, Esther needs energy.
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Let's generate energy. Let's tell the body, hey, let's turn on and start making energy. Okay.
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This is why there's no crash. This is why people call me every single day.
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I'm like, oh my God, I don't need to nap anymore.
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I used to have a nap for 20 minutes, an hour, whatever it is,
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whatever you call a nap. I'm not arguing the world of nap.
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In the land of Nod, not needing it and having more energy throughout the day
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rather than less is the difference between clean energy, which often is not also synthetic.
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Because a lot of the problems with a lot of this cortisol crash,
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which a lot of people don't talk about, is the impact that has on your body.
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Because if your body's doing a big dump because it's crashing,
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you're compensating and sometimes causing more trauma, more inflammation,
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specific when it's something to do with your stomach and everything that goes on there.
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So understanding that you can, if you still want to have coffee, you can.
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And I do not recommend mushroom coffee to anybody, unless you like the taste
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of eating sand in a cup of water.
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So I'm not telling you to switch to mushroom coffee, but you can use this with tea or energy.
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You can actually turn your coffee or tea into a superfood.
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And when you do that, you're literally empowering it to support your body better. Does that make sense?
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That does make sense. So instead of giving somebody an artificial stimulant,
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you are asking their body to create their own energy.
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Yeah. And I want to point out that not all mushrooms are created the same.
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One of the things that I was disgusted when I started into the world of mushrooms, right?
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Totally disgusted because I tell people in a lot of the supplements out there,
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there is a farts worth of mushroom in mushroom products, but they They go,
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oh my God, it's got 10,000 milligrams of a fart.
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Like it really doesn't matter like how much of that I put in,
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your body ain't processing it.
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And a lot of people don't realize that there's, the word they want to be looking
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for is spagyric extraction.
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It's the most purest form of extraction. It's a six week at most.
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It's a very expensive process. But what it does is it makes a product that's
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95 to 100% bioavailable.
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That means your body's not peeing it out. That means as soon as you put a drop
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on your tongue, within five to 15 minutes, your body is processing it and starting
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to do something with it, helping you relax, helping you deal with anxiety,
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boosting your immune system and leveraging all the benefits of strengthening
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your immune, dealing with inflammation.
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All those benefits to the whole point of creating energy.
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So a lot of people, oh my God, it's got a five-day water extraction. It's dual extracted.
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It doesn't really matter if it's not bioavailable. I think we need to change our work.
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There's a lot of great marketing words that make stuff sound sexy.
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But if it's still a pig, it's still a pig.
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And can I just add one more thing to that? Because most people may be new to the world of mushrooms.
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They're seeing about $20 million worth of ads of coffee supplements every week
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from mushroom coffees and how amazing they are. because what most of these products
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don't tell you is, one, they're not using the fruiting body.
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And what I mean by the fruiting body is, think of a banana tree,
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right? You've got banana fruit, which you eat, and it's tasty, right?
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But what if I told you there's a cheaper banana, but what we do is we take the
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banana tree itself and we turn it into a powder and we tell you that it tastes like banana,
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but you've got to now use two scoops of it to get that real good banana taste.
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But it's great, right Would you still like it, right No Well,
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but what most people don't realize Is that in many,
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many mushroom products They're literally getting the mycelium powder Which is
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the root base of the mushroom A mushroom grows from mycelium into a banana,
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right But what most people don't realize is For pennies on the dollar They will
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grind up the dirt and the mycelium, right Right.
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And actually turn that into the product and go, there's 10,000 milligrams in this.
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It's of sawdust.
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Literally, of ground-up sawdust is going into your supplements.
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So this is where, what is the extraction method?
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And what's the bioavailability?
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It doesn't matter about potency. I can show you less potent products that are more bioavailable.
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So therefore, it's actually better for your body. because your body can do something with it.
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Otherwise, you're literally peeing out those supplements, as they would say. Yep.
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Yeah. So when you're using mushrooms and you're looking for adaptogens.
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Can you tell me what, you use the fruiting body of the mushroom,
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do you use other adaptogens or is it all mushrooms?
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Yeah, so everything we use, well, we use a whole mix of stuff,
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but everything uses the same extraction process.
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So it's we, because I got tired and fed up of this industry being just gimmicky,
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really. It was just like, but there is so much good stuff with this plant energy.
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Why aren't we instilling it, right?
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So that's why you use spagyric extractions. We use things like maca.
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We use things like redalia, which most people don't know about.
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So when you're talking about energy and focus, that's amazing when you combine it with coiticeps.
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Coiticeps are the natural mushroom. And when we combine it with things like
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lion's mane, you can have, imagine having like a great coffee that gave you
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all day energy, but without the crotch. but with increased focus and mental recall.
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There's a whole bunch of studies. A lot of this is coming out of Asia because
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they've been using these mushrooms for centuries.
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I've got several trips to Asia to improve our mushroom growth.
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We're actually growing our own mushrooms, so I'm traveling there next year to
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literally learn from these people about how they increase their yield and the
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quality of their products, which isn't happening here, which is a whole other
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conversation in the U.S..
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But yeah, so with the products you want to be looking at is look for the type
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of extraction. If it's not spagyric, you just know it's less, right?
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The bioavailability is really important, but then the combination of mushrooms
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or the combination of products or plant medicines, and you can combine them in multiple ways.
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But we find when you do it right, for example, you can have one of our gummies
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to eight to 12 of our competitors, and our gummies are all sugar-free.
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So the thing is, they pack them with sugar to make them taste good,
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but you don't need to do that for your body because you don't want that nasty sugar in your body.
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And the more I got into this world and dealing with people who are sick,
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we're in the process of even creating mushroom-based meals, MREs,
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but we're actually getting Michelin star chefs to design these meals.
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And one of the big requests we've had, hey, gluten-free, can you have it with
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all these intolerances? So we can have a meal that we could trust when we're
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out, but not have something that just tastes like,
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goop in a bag, right? Because that kind of gets boring.
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And there's so much you can do with a lot of the mushrooms that we're actually growing for our food.
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So yeah, if people aren't aware of this stuff for mushroom-based energy,
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there is a massive opportunity.
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Once you try a good product, you'll never go back to what you were doing.
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That is what I can promise people.
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Right. And you've mentioned spagyric extraction a couple of times.
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You want to tell us exactly how that is i read it on the website and
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it's very fascinating yeah so it's it's
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they call it spagyric alchemy because it's
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one of the most ancient methods to actually getting the
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nutrients out of any plant any herb any any any anything like that so one of
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the things we do is we actually it's a three-step process we simplify it so
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we do a water-based extraction because certain mineral salts beta glucans fats
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all come out when you do like a water bath right a warm water bath,
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Then we take that same mushroom and we do an alcohol bar and some people like
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oh my god, you can't use alcohol Oh my god, i'm like i'm down.
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It's all good. You're not going to get drunk off this. It's just because.
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Different fats different beta-glucans different minerals different salts Come
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out in alcohol So we've taken what was in the water what was in now in the alcohol
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And then it goes through and what we do is we take that raw mushroom,
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which is now a pretty goopy mess, right?
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Because it's gone through a water and an alcohol-based extraction,
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which could be for a week or two each, right?
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Because we're trying to extract every bioavailability from it.
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And then what we do is we literally burn it. We calcify that raw mushroom so nothing's wasted.
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So now all of those salts, those minerals, those additional oils that come out
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in the calcification, the burning of the mushroom, get mixed back into the tincture.
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So now you've got this tincture that That's what makes it 95 to 100% bioavailable
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because it's actually rich and it's potent.
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And every time someone puts one of our drops on their tongue,
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they're like, whoa, like.
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They feel a punch because they're like, that is strong. And they're like,
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but within a few minutes, they're like, damn, I feel it.
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Like that doesn't usually happen with a lot of other mushroom products.
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So that's what spagyric extraction is.
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It's respecting the energy levels, the spirit energy.
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It's respecting the whole plant cycle. And it's making sure you're not wasting
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any of it just for turning a profit.
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I can promise you it would be a hundred times cheaper and a hundred times less
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effective if I just did a water extraction,
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which is what a lot of the products on amazon or walmart
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or you walk into a grocery store and you see them if you're
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buying a bottle for 19 i can promise you there
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is not much in that product it just is what it is some people are like i've
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been using it for years and i feel great yeah but just imagine how you'd feel
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if you actually had one that was good like life-changing and this is what people
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tell me every single day they're like i have had an old priest call me just the other day He's like,
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this guy wakes up at four o'clock in the morning, does church,
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does service, does a lot in the community.
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And he's like, I'm getting older. I'm dealing with inflammation.
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I'm dealing with just energy fatigue issues. I'm dealing with all this type of stuff.
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And he goes, I really don't believe about your products.
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I'm like, that's no worries. No worries, father. No, I've got you.
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Like, that's why 100% money back guarantee. I got you.
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I sent him out the products. And I said, if you do not steal anything in 48
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hours, I'll refund your money in full.
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No question to us. And he goes, what? You'll do that? I'm like, yeah.
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If it doesn't work, I don't want your money.
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He literally calls me back and he's like, I am not napping anymore.
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I actually can now do meetings with people at 7 and 8 o'clock in the evening.
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This is a guy who's 76 years of age, wakes up at 4 o'clock in the morning.
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Like, I don't know if I could do that, seriously.
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But he's like, my body feels alive.
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And this is one of the big things. Have you ever noticed with some of this herbal medicine,
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Like you have some of it and it's just like, your body's like, oh, hell yes.
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Like this feels alive. This feels like it's living. That's what spagyric extraction
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is. Does that make sense?
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It does. It does. So I have one question about the burning.
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When I see things that have been burnt, I think like toxic.
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Like I'm not going to eat ashes.
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I mean, granted, the caramelized stuff on the edge of cooked food is amazing.
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Well, that creme brulee is like, oh, it's the best part.
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Right. But so tell me, like, how is the burned stuff still okay?
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Well, it's filtered and cleaned and extracted and things like that.
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So it's not like they're just, it's not like we just take ash and coal and just
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dump it in the tincture and just make a witch's brew.
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That's not what I'm talking about. It actually goes through a scientific process
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where it's mixed back in to the tincture, but strengthened.
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So what is happening is you're literally extracting Because in that burnt piece,
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in that ash There are still nutrients There's salts,
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there's minerals, there's vitamins That your body can process and can extract
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So it's kind of like we put it into the tincture We mix it all in We let it
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soak and steep in there for a little while Like making a good southern tea You
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better let it steep, right?
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And then what we do is we extract that
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So that's why it's always Our liquids are a lot darker Sometimes they may be
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a little cloudy Because there's so much more life in it And that's the process
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But this is what they call the alchemy of it Because in the old world You were
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able to heal people who were sick And they called that,
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alchemy, magic, right? That dark magic. But this is what, if you look at all
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pharmaceutical companies, this is they leverage this similar type process of doing it.
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And that's why in a lot of those TV shows, you'll see them light stuff on fire to get a reaction.
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It's because in that process, something is actually happening and extracting more nutrients.
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Okay. That makes sense. So one of my listeners has been listening and very intrigued.
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Like I I could definitely use more energy, especially if my body is making it.
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But she's also thinking, I know I have had problems with my cortisol.
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Obviously, thyroid is out of whack because that's why she's listening to the
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Health with Hashimoto's podcast.
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What would you tell her about the safety of using those products,
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your products, if she's already dealing with cortisol issues and thyroid issues?
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Any words of caution or is this like all okay?
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Well, we have a lot of people, you have to trust what your body's doing, right?
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And what we recommend to people is when they try our micro boosters,
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certainly you never take the performance one after three o'clock in the afternoon.
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Otherwise, you'll be laying in bed at 10 o'clock going, I think I'm going to go organize the garage.
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And that may be something that sounds super, super peaceful to you and you're
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like, hell yes. But to me, I'm like, no.
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So there is things and there's usually a protocol. Some of the people who have,
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one of the ladies who actually has Sashimodis, funnily enough,
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she was actually telling me she takes our relief at around two or three o'clock
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and relief is optimized to help with the body stress and anxiety and also your immune system.
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But it helps her start to settle down because she wasn't sleeping and was taking
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mood studies as well, right? Which is many side effects of that.
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She told me that she's actually no longer taking those.
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By her own choice, we didn't recommend it.
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So she would actually start taking the relief about two or three o'clock.
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And what was fascinating about that is when people do that, it helps their body
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start to like go, hey, over the next six to eight hours, we're gonna have to
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actually wind down, not wind up.
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This is what's happening when people are having that two o'clock,
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three o'clock coffee. Like, oh, I gotta have my last coffee.
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So I've got energy when I get home to the kids. you don't need that so
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and then she was taking it an hour before bed and
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she said after a week she was sleeping deeper and
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waking up more refreshed than ever before she then
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noticed she goes and because she felt
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like her body was getting more rest she wasn't having
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the inflammation and then the skin reaction she was usually having with her
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Hashimoto's I'm like that's fascinating and I'm like so she's like she thinks
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it's all to do with how her body was like recovering and stabilizing and she
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wasn't on this caffeine roller coaster and she wasn't on all the other stuff,
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the synthetics she was taking because of what people were telling her to take.
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And then they also leverage the one we have for our mood and stabilizer.
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But the advantage is because we have them in a three-bottle set,
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she was able to optimize what she was taking each day based on how she felt.
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Not treating it as a one-size-fits-all like, hey, you need this entire mushroom blend every single day.
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That's not necessarily the case. Some days you wake up and you're like,
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I'm actually feeling pretty good, but I need a mood immunity boost.
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Or going into a holiday season, you really want to be boosting maybe your mood, maybe your immunity.
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So having your body being alive to fight off viruses and bacteria.
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Because once again, if you start getting something or you're battling something,
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your immune system can start being compromised.
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When your immune system is compromised, it impacts your cortisol,
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it impacts inflammation.
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It just becomes this vicious cycle And a lot of people are trying to treat the
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symptom and not the real cause, if that makes sense.
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So that's the big difference. And just listening to her stories on the impacts
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that's made her health, it's game-changing for her.
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That's awesome. That is awesome. And you have a special gift for anybody listening, right? A free sample.
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Tell the listeners where they can find that and what to expect.
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Like, what's the best way to use it with their current morning routine?
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Yeah, so we've given away two samples, actually. So they get to go to the website.
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There's a special link that you'll give them.
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And we give them two samples. So all they have to do is pay shipping and handling.
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So we give them our Amanita Relax Gummies, which is pure Amanita Muscaria, which is the
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disney mushroom that one was red and white and if you look online they'll go
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oh my god it's dangerous and poisonous here's a tip every mushroom you ever
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find shouldn't be eaten raw so like.
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We do this all in a lab. We do it right. And there's actually now over 3,000
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citizen studies on the benefits of microdosing.
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Funny enough, microdosing mushrooms.
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There's no high, there's no trippy nature with all this other stuff.
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So they get, and this is one of the best mushrooms for relaxing, but also inflammation.
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If you want to watch inflammation, swelling, bruising, just disappear in your
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body, people with sciatica, back pains, back problems, they get this from me.
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And I get told they want to kiss me multiple times a day, right?
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So this is our relaxed gummy they're going to get and they're also going to
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get two gummies of our energy gummy.
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And this allows them to try what clean energy feels like.
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If you're new to this game, you take one of the relief, the relaxed gummies, right?
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And then one of the energy gummies in the morning. If you're a bit of a caffeine lover,
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like I would call myself, or I call myself a caffeine haul because I'm way at
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the other end of the spectrum, I have two in the morning And then I find like,
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I don't need that second, third, fourth cup of coffee or tea or what have you,
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but what it does allow me to do, get this, it allows me to go, you know what?
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I don't want a coffee, but what I will do is I will now have a herbal tea.
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I will have, because I just want a hot drink.
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I'll have a tea. So I'm now...
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Kind of making that choice of going i actually
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don't want more caffeine like sometimes i'm like i don't
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even like i want coffee today but i just i just want to
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have a cup of tea right very english of me funny
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enough so both you'll be getting both of these samples there's like over 30
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dollars worth of value just shipping and handling it's 5.99 it's the cheapest
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we can actually get shipping and handling for what it is and we'll just mail
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these out for you to try and i'm pretty certain you'll get a benefit from the
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relief and this mushroom as well as the energy.
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Perfect. I'll have that link in the show notes for everybody listening and then also on the blog.
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So thank you so much for all of this education. And I have learned a lot.
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I know that my listeners have.
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If there is one thing you want them to take away from our conversation today,
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what is the most important thing that they could take away?
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The most important thing would be the world of mushrooms is the Wild Wild West.
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So what you want to do is you always want a quality mushroom that's bioavailable.
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So when you're looking at products, at sometimes price matters, you get what you pay for.
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So always look for, how is my body processing it? Not how much is in it.
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Because the different extraction methods can change the potency.
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So if you get the most potent and the most bioavailable, your body will heal
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itself and do amazing things.
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Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much, Ben. For everybody listening,
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head down to the show notes and you will see the link so that you can get the
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gifts from Ben. I'm super excited to try them.
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