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Phillies chaos week aftermath: Missing Bo, Re-signing J.T. Realmuto · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Here comes Jim Salisbury from the Phillies Show. The show
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  Speaker 1: is getting a ton of attention in Philadelphia all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of national attention lately for some topics
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get to. Jim, great to see you, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start spicy. You know, we like to
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  Speaker 1: bring it and be very straightforward. How pissed are the
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  Speaker 1: Phillies that they did not land Bobachhett when they felt
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  Speaker 1: as if he was signing there?
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  Speaker 2: Phillies fans are ticked off, and I sense the front
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  Speaker 2: office is a lot more ticked off then they are
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  Speaker 2: letting on. They were quite surprised they didn't get that
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  Speaker 2: thing through the finish line. They went to bed on
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  Speaker 2: Thursday night thinking they were going to get a deal done,
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  Speaker 2: thinking they were going to get a deal done. Those
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  Speaker 2: are the words of Dave Dombrowski just a couple of
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  Speaker 2: hours ago, and you know the Mets swooped in went
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  Speaker 2: short term Hugh Mungo AAV. The Phillies did not have
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  Speaker 2: an appetite for a deal like that, spend their mo
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  Speaker 2: to spread things out. He's tax burden with the AAV.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, they he would have been a great fit
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  Speaker 2: because obviously a very, very gifted hitter. You know, there
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  Speaker 2: were what six three hundred hitters in baseball last year.
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  Speaker 2: He was one of them. Now, all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: you have two of them with Trey Turner, a guy
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  Speaker 2: that can make a run at two hundred hits a lot,
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  Speaker 2: you can control the strike zone, and he's right handed
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  Speaker 2: and he's young, two things they really need. They need
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  Speaker 2: some youth. They need some right handed in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of that lineup to protect their two big left handed
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  Speaker 2: sluggers Shoar and Harper. It would have been a great fit.
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  Speaker 2: They thought they were on a path to get something done.
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  Speaker 2: They met the number Brishette was looking for, and poof.
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  Speaker 2: We've heard a lot about you know, when Steve Cohen
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  Speaker 2: took over, there was a lot of talk about him
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  Speaker 2: and John Middleton kind of being uh, competitors, and we
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen a lot of it since, you know, until
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  Speaker 2: this moment. They kind of the Mets. The Mets beat
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  Speaker 2: out the Phillies on this one, and the Phillies are
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  Speaker 2: smarting a little bit. Yes, Dave Dombroski used the expression
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  Speaker 2: gut punch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was the number? What we heard? Seven years,
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  Speaker 3: two hundred million? Is that what because that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: what's been reported. And then the Mets just said, you
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  Speaker 3: know that we lost Tucker, we lost all these things.
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  Speaker 4: Wham.
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  Speaker 3: What is Boba Shit's reaction going to be when he
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  Speaker 3: walks into Citizens Bank the first time? I mean, how
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  Speaker 3: bad is this poor guy going to get it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he might want to add another O to his
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  Speaker 2: first name. He's going to get Were those numbers corrected?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think was the seven years two hundred million?
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  Speaker 2: Was that correct? That's what I've heard that those are
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  Speaker 2: right there. Right from the beginning when they were starting
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  Speaker 2: to dip their toe in the water, like a week
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  Speaker 2: or so ago, and you started hearing about this zoom
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  Speaker 2: and started to check it out a little bit. You're
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  Speaker 2: hearing that they're willing to do something in the two
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  Speaker 2: hundred million dollar range. Willing to go two hundred million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: At first I heard heard they might be thinking like
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  Speaker 2: eight and two hundred, they go seven and two hundred.
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  Speaker 2: That's twenty eight and twenty eight and a half million,
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  Speaker 2: aav a lot of money. But obviously the Mets come
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  Speaker 2: in short term at forty two plus per season or
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  Speaker 2: forty two per season, it just kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: blows them away, and the Phillies just weren't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: willing to go that. But I do you mentioned Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: That was a pivot for the Mets. They had a
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  Speaker 2: bag full of money and they threw it at Bashett.
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  Speaker 2: Really good hitter. Now they had spoken to him throughout
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  Speaker 2: I guess the off season, as far back as the
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  Speaker 2: GM meetings. So I don't think he just like burst
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  Speaker 2: on their screen. He was someone that they had thought about,
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  Speaker 2: but they clearly had prioritized Tucker made a pivot to
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  Speaker 2: Bishett and gut punch on the Phillies.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody, here's the two hundred million. We're gonna find out
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  Speaker 4: soon what Bellinger is gonna get. Do Phillies fans have
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  Speaker 4: a right to say, wait, wait, wait, if there was
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  Speaker 4: two hundred million, why were we not shopping else? What
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  Speaker 4: else is out there? Because we're gonna have a Doolis
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  Speaker 4: Garcias under three hundred on base percentage potential of hitting
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  Speaker 4: thirty five home runs in the bank. Absolutely, but we're
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  Speaker 4: going to have that in right field, and it could
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  Speaker 4: have been Bellinger if we had this two hundred million.
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  Speaker 4: Or do they have a right to be angry about that?
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  Speaker 4: Because this team looks the exact same as it did
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  Speaker 4: the last three or four years.
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  Speaker 2: They can be angry about anything they want. The Phillies,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like they're gonna pivot toward Bellinger, And
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  Speaker 2: speaking with Dave Dobroski, he kind of shot down the
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  Speaker 2: notion that they'd be continuing to shop at the at
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  Speaker 2: the high end of the market. I think Bishette, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, with the youth in the right handed bat
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  Speaker 2: and the production, he was kind of an opportunity. They
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  Speaker 2: couldn't walk away from him right from the get go
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  Speaker 2: in this in coming out of coming into the off season,
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  Speaker 2: resigning Schwarber, resigning Real Mudo was their priority. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Real Mudo was jumped over just by the fact that
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  Speaker 2: bishett was still available. So now they've earmarked dollars toward
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  Speaker 2: real Mudo. I don't know that they can make that pivot,
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  Speaker 2: but fans, you know, they're always going to want more,
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  Speaker 2: and especially after you know, especially after the last three
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  Speaker 2: off seasons, you know, twenty two, they get there with
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  Speaker 2: house money, they get to the World Series twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: they're just absolutely putting people through the meat grinder and
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  Speaker 2: then they just you know, fall flat out on their
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  Speaker 2: face in the nl CS against Arizona, they just beat themselves.
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  Speaker 2: They did not hit the last two seasons. They don't
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  Speaker 2: get past the division series, and you know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it self inflicted wounds. This bullpen last two off seasons,
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  Speaker 2: the last two postseasons, I should say Phillies have played
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  Speaker 2: eight games. The bullpen has a six and a half ERA,
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  Speaker 2: five blown saves. They didn't run the base as well.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't hit timely against the Dodgers, and they played
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  Speaker 2: very poor defense this past October against the Dodgers. So
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  Speaker 2: they have really beaten themselves. There's a lot of frustration
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  Speaker 2: in town, a lot of anger in town. It's pretty
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  Speaker 2: close to the boiling point if it's not at the
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  Speaker 2: boiling point, and losing Bouchett certainly has contributed to that.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, you see, you know, you see a
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  Speaker 2: guy like Bellinger out there, and you say, well, why not.
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  Speaker 2: They're not gonna They don't seem to be having an
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  Speaker 2: appetite to make that pivot. Dombroski said he's content with
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  Speaker 2: his roster. I think they're good enough to get to
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  Speaker 2: October again, and then you just gotta you gotta play.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta play a lot better baseball than they have
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 4: You've covered Dave Dombrowski's entire tenure in Philly. Has he
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  Speaker 4: ever not gotten a superstar that he's gone after.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they went after Yamamoto, so they didn't get that one.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think they were going to get that
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  Speaker 2: one anyway. That would seemed to be a Dodgers deal
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  Speaker 2: all the way, even though the Philly's an awful lot
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  Speaker 2: of money. He is a guy that locks in on
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  Speaker 2: a superstar. That's like, it's funny you say that. Kratzi
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  Speaker 2: is kind of monitoring it all Last week talking to people,
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  Speaker 2: a number of people said that to me, like, when
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  Speaker 2: this guy locks in on a superstar, when he locks
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  Speaker 2: in on a star, he gets him. So other than
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  Speaker 2: the Yamamoto, I would think this is probably the first
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  Speaker 2: time I can remember, at least in Philadelphia. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Dave had a great quote a couple years ago at
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  Speaker 3: I'm shocked because he almost always gets like we said,
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  Speaker 3: we talked about Dave Dobrowski says, I'm going on in
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  Speaker 3: on this guy. I'm going, well, they pivoted to JT
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  Speaker 3: without without with they signed Bo.
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  Speaker 5: Do they have j T?
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  Speaker 3: Because now there's people saying they overpaid for JT because
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  Speaker 3: of his age and his production was down last year.
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  Speaker 3: We all know how valuable he is to the Phillies
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  Speaker 3: and what he's done for this team and what he
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  Speaker 3: does for the pitching staff. What was this JT have
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  Speaker 3: gotten this contract three years for forty five if the
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  Speaker 3: Phillies signed Bobash, did they have the financial wherewithal to
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  Speaker 3: do both? Or is JT thankful that Bo didn't sign.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think JT is here if they completed that
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  Speaker 2: deal with bobaschev Aj and Dobroski essentially confirmed that earlier
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  Speaker 2: today in a zoom with reporters, JT kind of confirmed that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he felt like if they had gotten that
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  Speaker 2: quote unquote opportunity done, that he would have been moving
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  Speaker 2: on somewhere else. He actually said it felt like, as
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was this little period where he didn't
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  Speaker 2: think he was coming back and he said, it was
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  Speaker 2: almost like a morning period. So I feel pretty comfortable
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  Speaker 2: saying that JT would not have been here because they
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  Speaker 2: would have taken the money earmarked for him, and as well,
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  Speaker 2: they would have moved on from someone in their infield
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  Speaker 2: trimming more payroll to help them get the money they
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  Speaker 2: needed to make the Buschett deal happen. So JT is back,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Dave said when he heard the next morning
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  Speaker 2: that you know, Tucker had gone to the Dodgers. The
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  Speaker 2: Mets swoop in, they get Bushette. It took him less
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  Speaker 2: than an hour to call JT's agent. They up their
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  Speaker 2: offer and they got that done. So there was you know,
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  Speaker 2: both sides were ready to move on. Matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: JT spoke on the same zoom call a little earlier
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  Speaker 2: today than Dombrowski. And you know, I've done a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these, you know, press conferences where a guy signs
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  Speaker 2: a free agent deal, where a guy returns to an
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  Speaker 2: organization after being a free agent, and there's always a
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  Speaker 2: celebratory tone in these zooms or these press conferences. To me,
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  Speaker 2: this one just it lacked that there was a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of, I don't know, a joylessness to it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's happy he's back. He's happy to be back. But
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  Speaker 2: it didn't feel like one of those celebratory news conferences.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like, okay, I'm here, I was almost gone,
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  Speaker 2: let's see where this thing goes. It just had a
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  Speaker 2: different feel to it for me as someone who's seen
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those events.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well that kind of is my question. Should the
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  Speaker 3: Phillies fans listen? I love JT. I think he is
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  Speaker 3: still one of the better catchers in baseball. If not,
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  Speaker 3: I mean where he was at his peak, right, But
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  Speaker 3: what would have been better for him? And this is
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  Speaker 3: just your opinion, obviously, but if they would have signed
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  Speaker 3: Bow and not brought back JT, and then had to
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  Speaker 3: move a Stot or a Bom and maybe had to
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  Speaker 3: use a different catcher, go find a catcher, because everyone,
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  Speaker 3: including Ourskabron, have said, hey, maybe they need to shake
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  Speaker 3: it up a little bit and get younger and get
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  Speaker 3: more athletic. So which one do you think is better
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  Speaker 3: for the Phillies, not only this year but two years
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  Speaker 3: from now.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think they would have if you had Boba
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  Speaker 2: Schett and you had to subtract JT. As much as
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  Speaker 2: I'm a JT fan, I just think what he does
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  Speaker 2: for that ball club, from the clubhouse to game prep
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  Speaker 2: with the pitching staff, to leading the pitching staff, to
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  Speaker 2: actually in, you know, behind the plate, reading swings, making
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  Speaker 2: in game adjustments. I just think there's so much value
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  Speaker 2: to that almost value that you cannot put a dollar
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  Speaker 2: sign on. But I do think if you have added
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  Speaker 2: Bobushet's right handed bat, you know, one hundred and ninety hits,
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight home runs, close to one hundreds, and behind
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  Speaker 2: those two left handed hitters, I think you're probably a
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  Speaker 2: better team because you're better in the lineup. That said,
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  Speaker 2: I have no problem with JT coming back. I think
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  Speaker 2: they would have missed JT enormously because I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they have anybody stepping in in the organization. They would
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  Speaker 2: have had to gone out and sign a Victor Caratini
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  Speaker 2: as a plan B, and you're just not as good
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  Speaker 2: behind the plate with that setup. I know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of folks see this as an overpay to go three
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  Speaker 2: years on JT Realmudo, and you can make that case.
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  Speaker 2: At least you know JT is going to be here
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  Speaker 2: for three years if he becomes a high priced backup
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  Speaker 2: in his third year. At least it's mentoring people. I
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  Speaker 2: don't have any problem with the overpay. Teams do this
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  Speaker 2: all the time that guys get the extra year. This
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  Speaker 2: club is loaded with guys who got the extra year
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  Speaker 2: contracts that could be cumbersome, if not ugly at the end.
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  Speaker 2: This one, at fifteen million dollars, ain't going to be
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  Speaker 2: that ugly in my opinion, for a franchise worth three
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  Speaker 2: point one billion dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Very rarely do we ever talk about a bench coach
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  Speaker 4: hiring when it's Donnie Baseball. When it's Don Mattingly, it
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  Speaker 4: becomes more newsworthy. Is it also something that's more newsworthy
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  Speaker 4: that there isn't anybody that played in the big leagues
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  Speaker 4: on the current staff and now they have somebody in
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  Speaker 4: Donnie Baseball? Is that a Is there some some thought
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  Speaker 4: process behind that to be kind of like a sounding board, like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I remember what this was like and bringing in a
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  Speaker 4: guy like Donnie Baseball gives the coaching staff a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more cachet.
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  Speaker 2: No question. Something that Rob Thompson talked about is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they have a a handful of guys who did play
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  Speaker 2: in the big leagues, but they didn't have the type
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  Speaker 2: of career that Mattingly had, And Thompson has come out
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  Speaker 2: and said that, you know, just as you put it,
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  Speaker 2: that this is the guy who can be a sounding
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  Speaker 2: board for our players and our stars. So it was
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  Speaker 2: something that lacked on the coaching staff and now they've
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  Speaker 2: addressed it. No player can stand off in a corner
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  Speaker 2: of the clubhouse, you know, mutter about the coaching staff
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  Speaker 2: not having big league playing experience. They got a guy
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  Speaker 2: who probably should be in the Hall of Fame, a
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  Speaker 2: guy wanted batting title, guy who was an MVP, guy
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  Speaker 2: who played under the brightest lights in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's a good addition in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 5: Jim, good stuff sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, enjoy Twitter wars, Jim Philly show. Enjoy you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Enjoy your Twitter wars.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean you guys, no Twitter wars here, No
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  Speaker 2: Twitter wars.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you guys have been taking the brunt of some
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  Speaker 3: stuff and I'm here for it. No.
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  Speaker 5: Ruben's been battling, Well, Ruben's been in it.
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  Speaker 1: Ruben's battling you see, Jim, Ruben's getting after it.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, Rubin likes to mix it up
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  Speaker 2: in the corners. I'm I'm more of an observer.
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  Speaker 1: I would say you're a silent assassin if anything right.
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  Speaker 1: You pick and choose your spots. But it also mostly
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  Speaker 1: gets put out in the show versus on online fair.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean save it for the show, right,
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  Speaker 2: tune in? Yeah, come to come to the Philly Show.
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  Speaker 5: Right Yeah, nice little hoodie there too. I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get Cratzy one because I know he's a
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  Speaker 2: great Philly.
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  Speaker 5: There you go, Kratz. No, I can't tell you twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Can't tell you. Got to watch the rest of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Kratz hats in the last minute of the show.
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  Speaker 1: But also, I just got my the Philly Show shirt,
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  Speaker 1: so I will wear that at some point when it's
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  Speaker 1: not forty six degrees in Orlando because it's a T shirt. Jim,
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  Speaker 1: great to talk, appreciate you and everyone can catch you
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  Speaker 1: on the Philly Show.
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  Speaker 5: We'll talk to you, okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: As we say on The Philly Show, I'll smell you
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  Speaker 2: late of boys.
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  Speaker 1: That m Jim futures regular season wins for the Chicago Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: The number is at eighty eight and a half. Let's
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: go to our Cubs. Hater, our resident Cubs hater, aj Pierzinski,
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  Speaker 1: and see if he's taking the over or the under
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  Speaker 1: on the Cubbies.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, what about your that's your heart? What about your brain?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: What was that number again? Eighty eight and a half?
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  Speaker 1: They added Edward Yes, they added Edward Cabrera, they added
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  Speaker 1: Alex Bregman.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously they lost Kyle Tucker.
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  Speaker 5: Division hasn't done.
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  Speaker 3: They'll get Justin Steele back at some point.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: I think they're ninety.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Sh It hurts my heart to say. I think they're
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to go over because I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals are going to be worse.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: It should be better.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: I think finally this I know we say this all
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: them Brewers might take a little step back and the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Reds are gonna be around five hundred like they have
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: every other year. So I think this is the time
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: for the Cubs to capitalize us and I think they
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: win ninety and they probably win the division.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Wow, I don't know how you're going to top that. Crats.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Just like your boy Hawks said, this is over, It's
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: gonna go over. They might be a ninety two win
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: team this year. Cubs ninety two wins, locking.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Proud of you guys. Guys are hard on the Cubs sometimes,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and that's fine, rightly.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: So they were mediocre.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: They were five hundred team that had a hot stretch.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm pretty much right on when it
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: comes to the Cubs.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: I think most people.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: That I associate with myself, especially from the South Side,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: feel like I'm pretty much right on when it comes
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: to my Cubs talk.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I would say that's accurate.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: But then the North side has other thoughts, and other
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: parts of the Midwest.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: They have other thoughts.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Who's where's that?
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Even if you don't know where that is? Have you
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: heard of Iowa?
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I've been to Iowa many times.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of Cubs fans theres Iowa Cubs. That helps, Yes,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: they get to see the Cubs before the Cubs. Yes, yeah,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, I'll join you, guys.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: I'll go over.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: It's not my favorite play because I don't think they're
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: flying over, but I think they're going over.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: I do. I'm with you, Krats. I think the ceiling
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: is in the ninety two ish range.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I think, man, I mean right now, for me, I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: think the floor is pretty high. It'd be hard to
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: see them. Just yeah, falling apart. I mean, sure, pitching
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: injuries can happen, but they were starting to build a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: little depth on that department.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: So Horton's going to be back for his second year.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Yepnaga's back, Steel's coming back at some point. They have
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Matthew Boyd, they have they have Cabrera or they're six.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: They've made some dangs in their bowl. They've done some
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: nice movies in their bulls.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a lot.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: They've added Bragman another year for Bush. Swanson's solid as
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: it come. Which the key to me is what's PCA do?
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Which PCA did they get They get the first at
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: PCA or do they get the second at PIA, Because
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: there's a major difference.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: I'll take the middle. That works.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: If it's the middle, he's he's so first half CPA
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: was PCA was a superstar. Agree with MVP there for
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a month and a half, that was a superstar. So
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: if you even take a notch down of that, right,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the defense should be elite. So we've already got that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: defense doesn't right. Base runnings there if the bat can
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: be at a level that's like a little above league
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: average versus way above league average, that's actually a star
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: player Krats.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Do you agree, yes, because of where his defenses.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: People have been pointing out how they are trying to
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: make more metrics now with the wind and the sun
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and all kinds of things that are difficult at Wrigley
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and how no and how pcay.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Every well, not every ballpark now every outdoor ballpark Scott
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: has wind in Son.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: I understand, but they're not all treated equally.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, but it's different.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: You can't like just because it's blowing it like every
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: player makes the adjustment in game all of a sudden,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: you're not just seeing win, just cut and turn on
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: a certain play. And then like you're making those adjustments
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: in every field, Like the sun is at every field,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: there's I think it's not.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Every because there's roofs. Guys like the trop that has
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: a roof and there's no sun, so not every field
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: has I don't want to point play God doesn't understand
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: this though.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I don't want to point players out, but I will
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: for example, right, I'll watch a good share of Mets games.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: There were a few times where you're like, uh, oh,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: one soda, it's confused with where the Paul's gonna go?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And you just don't see that from PCA. Sorry one,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: It's not just you. There are many others, but I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: just there's a few late in the season coming to
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: mind from him where I'm like, some guys can't adjust
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to that as well as others. So it's a thing, right,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And it's also more of a thing at Rick, I mean.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Sometimes more serious other people. Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So anyway, point is PCA should be a star player,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and he was a superstar in the first half of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the season.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: We'll see what the bat looks like for them.
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