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Chuck & Buck 11-26 Hour 4: 12th Man Roundtable with Gregg Bell & Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, welcome back to the show here at Sports Radio
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Speaker 1: ninety three point three kJ R f M. It is
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Speaker 1: a final hour before Thanksgiving, and I mean, if this
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Speaker 1: show just doesn't keep on giving us stuff. Now, all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, we got we get to have our
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Speaker 1: Seahawks roundtable. We just got done having Softy and Cam
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Speaker 1: abused me. Hugh absolutely abused me about a duck game
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Speaker 1: that's coming up. That was a real treat. I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: happy that the Seahawks aren't playing the Broncos this week.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, abuse you enough, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: the Husky duck. Yeah it's real, Yeah, it is real.
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Speaker 2: You see my shirt, by the way, can you see
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Speaker 2: what's on my shirt here? You little ducks.
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Speaker 1: It's called My shirt is called get Ducked, so you
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Speaker 1: can get ducked. Anyways, I'm gonna go ahead and and
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Speaker 1: say we're not gonna talk anymore ducks here.
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Speaker 3: That's it.
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Speaker 1: You got your You got that off your chest.
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Speaker 2: Now you're good with that.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Greg's probably not coming at me either with
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Speaker 1: this one. But we are going to discuss, obviously Seahawks,
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Speaker 1: what we've seen and what we're expecting coming in to
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Speaker 1: this week against the Vikings. We got Greg Bell with
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Speaker 1: us as well. Sorry, Greg, I didn't see you here
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Speaker 1: on zoom. I know you're going to be joining us
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Speaker 1: here in a second, but we've got you on the phone.
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Speaker 1: You're there, right, bro, Hello, good morning? Hello, Hello, Hello, Okay,
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Speaker 1: real quick, Greg, No fighting last night, no sparring with
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Speaker 1: your spouse.
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Speaker 4: No, she's I was on my best behavior. That Yeah,
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Speaker 4: that's the worst. That's the worst advantage of being a
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Speaker 4: marriage as you know to be. You know that she
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Speaker 4: owes you one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: And for those that don't know yet, today we found
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Speaker 1: out that the Greg Bell family went and did some
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Speaker 1: boxing and sparred and now, yeah, his wife owes him
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Speaker 1: one because maybe a couple too many body shots landed
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Speaker 1: or something there. So yeah, good luck with that on Thanksgiving.
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Speaker 1: Uh And so anyway, we're gonna talk about wife well
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Speaker 1: a little bit.
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Speaker 4: I took a few Liberties shoe they were doing a
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Speaker 4: little sparring I did. I had boxing West Point. You
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Speaker 4: have to have a boxing class to graduate, and I
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Speaker 4: had in my sophomore year.
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Speaker 3: So we took the kids to place the.
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Speaker 4: Roosevelt Emerald City Gym, Washington Husky's club boxing, great team,
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Speaker 4: great part where you had Zee taught us to coach there,
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Speaker 4: and we.
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Speaker 3: Had a great time. But it's a workout. It's an
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Speaker 3: aerobic workout. You got to keep your hands time for
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Speaker 3: an hour or.
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Speaker 4: But I yeah, we weren't supposed to really, we were shabbing.
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Speaker 3: But I may have.
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Speaker 4: I may have jabbed off with Buff a couple of times.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, every husband's dream to get in the ring with
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Speaker 2: their wife. Did you pull that on?
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 2: It will never happen again. Uh oh.
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Speaker 1: And anyways, quite the way to kick off the Thanksgiving
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Speaker 1: weekend and the celebration. They're thankful that you didn't have
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Speaker 1: to go to another boxing class, but good luck with
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Speaker 1: that over the weekend. All right, Well we got we
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Speaker 1: got Seahawks Vikings Vikings rolling into town. Obviously, you know
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Speaker 1: at this point six games left in the season, and
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Speaker 1: you're in a tight battle. The NFC West is is tight,
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Speaker 1: with the Rams just ahead of you and and the
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Speaker 1: Niners still right there about a half a game behind you, essentially,
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Speaker 1: So going into this game, I'll start with you, Hugh.
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Speaker 1: Biggest concern we we had sand to Wan earlier today.
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Speaker 1: He was kind of talking about we were talking about
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Speaker 1: pros and cons. Basically, the big con is the giveaways,
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Speaker 1: you know, the turnover and the turnover differential there. I
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Speaker 1: think they're second or third worst at only a minus
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Speaker 1: seven their second and behind the Minnesota Vikings with twenty giveaways.
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Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings have given the ball away twenty one times.
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Speaker 1: What's your biggest concern going into a game that you
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Speaker 1: feel like is a game you should be able to
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Speaker 1: come out because I think it's.
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Speaker 2: A little bit of the health for Seattle and the
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Speaker 2: idea that although JJ McCarthy has, you know, and just
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Speaker 2: kind of looking at these numbers pretty abysmal and in
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Speaker 2: terms of how they're passing the football, I mean they're
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Speaker 2: dead last and touchdown to interception ratio, third down conversions
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Speaker 2: thirty first yards per play twenty six. That just is
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Speaker 2: not indicative of a Kevin O'Connell offense, nor what everybody
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Speaker 2: thought about JJ McCarthy's potential. So you don't want JJ
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Speaker 2: McCarthy to get right this Sunday, So that would be
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Speaker 2: a potential concern. And then and then you know, they
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Speaker 2: can create some havoc on defense or a blitzing group
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Speaker 2: and they can have some problems. I think it should
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Speaker 2: be noted wh while turnovers have been an issue, I
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Speaker 2: think that you know, it should be noticed. Sam Donald
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Speaker 2: is number one in the NFL, not just in you know,
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Speaker 2: yards per completing, yards per attempt and all the metrics
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Speaker 2: that you see throwing the ball down the field, but
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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus they measure turnover worthy plays.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: There's there's a half a dozen of the top quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: that are that are that are have more turnover worthy
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Speaker 2: plays than Sam Donald. But Sam Donald is number one
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Speaker 2: stands alone, uh in big time throws and and big
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Speaker 2: time throw percentage. So while we can lament some of
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Speaker 2: the turnovers, I think sometimes that's the cost of doing
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Speaker 2: business when you get all the big plays the offense
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Speaker 2: has been producing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, gee, what do you think any any overarching concerns
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Speaker 1: when a team that you feel like is maybe heading
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Speaker 1: in one direction and you're supposedly heading in the other.
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Speaker 4: Well, Bucky, here the turnovers that Donald should have had
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Speaker 4: three interceptions against Tennessee. The first pass, the second pass
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Speaker 4: of the game could have been intercepted. It was actually
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Speaker 4: probably his fourth pass on the first drive. Kenneth Walker
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Speaker 4: changed the projectory came by breaking up a checkdown pass
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Speaker 4: in the right flat that a cornerback would The Titans
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Speaker 4: cornerback was standing in front of Walker when Donald threw
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Speaker 4: the pass. It was Donald the cornerback, and then Walker
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Speaker 4: in progression were when that ball was arriving, and Walker
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Speaker 4: from behind knocked that ball away From where I was
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Speaker 4: in the press box, that was a pick six. There
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Speaker 4: was nobody behind those two out on the extreme right sideline.
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Speaker 4: If that corner had intercepted that pass, the Titans would
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Speaker 4: be up ten to nothing right out of the gate.
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Speaker 4: And then there were two other passes, one that went
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Speaker 4: off for it deflected pass and went off the defenders
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Speaker 4: both of his hands. And then and then a diving
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Speaker 4: play that probably should have been caught for three interceptions.
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Speaker 4: Should have twenty three takeaways or.
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Speaker 3: Giveaways on offense this year.
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Speaker 4: They were really fortunate that game didn't change a lot differently,
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Speaker 4: Especially if I talked to Ken Walker after the game,
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Speaker 4: he said, Yeah, that probably would have been a big six.
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Speaker 3: I knew I had to break that path up.
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Speaker 4: The other thing, I'm still not sold. I know Walker
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Speaker 4: had eleven carries for seventy one yards. They're not running
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Speaker 4: consistently effectively like they need to to beat the Rams
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Speaker 4: in forty nine ers. They run in spurts, they run
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Speaker 4: against some teams. They get second half numbers when they
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Speaker 4: have a lead, But how they really want to run
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Speaker 4: the ball for as much as they do. They're still
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Speaker 4: doing it, and they're working that and it looks like
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Speaker 4: Walker is now starting to ech into more of a
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Speaker 4: true number one back role. But they are not whole
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Speaker 4: in the run game. So yes, he was absolutely right.
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Speaker 4: Donald has been a big play twenty plus yards recompletionency
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Speaker 4: leads the league, ten plus yards complacency leads the league. Dackson,
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Speaker 4: Smith and Jigba looked like Jerry Rice the way he
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Speaker 4: contorted his body and controlled defensive backs in Tennessee. He's
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Speaker 4: on pace to break Calvin Johnson's single season record, which
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Speaker 4: is I fied on side. I had never expected that.
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Speaker 4: But he's on pace for a two thousand yard season
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Speaker 4: all that. Yes, they just aren't doing it the way
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Speaker 4: they were designed to. Will they ever offensively be the
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Speaker 4: way they're designed to by the end of this season?
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Speaker 4: They got the Rams of December sixteenth, they've got the
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Speaker 4: forty nine ers to end the regular season. Will they
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Speaker 4: run the ball against those teams? The way they want to.
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Speaker 4: To me, that still is the issue nagging at them offensively. Defensively,
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Speaker 4: they can win most games the way they played defensively,
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Speaker 4: they only gave up one offensive touchdown until a garbage
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Speaker 4: time score in the last minute. Again in Nashville on Sunday.
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Speaker 4: I know that's a one to ten team with a
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Speaker 4: rookie quarterback. They left the rookie quarterbackers scape and make
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Speaker 4: plays and misstackles on him. But the defense by and
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Speaker 4: large is gonna give up one or two touchdowns and
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Speaker 4: that's it in a game seventeen points in most games
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Speaker 4: before garbage time. They'll win most games of their defense
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Speaker 4: if they can just get their offense to function the
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Speaker 4: way they want to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to that point, Seattle's number three in the
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Speaker 2: NFL and points margin, they're number one in the NFL
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Speaker 2: and first half points marginal. You know, getting on top
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Speaker 2: of teams has not been an issue. Now at minus
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Speaker 2: four they actually have there. They're in the red in
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Speaker 2: terms of second half points margin. They're just eighteenth in
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Speaker 2: the league in that. But you know, just to finish
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Speaker 2: the loop on the conversation about Sunday and the turnovers, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean we all saw the play in the flat,
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Speaker 2: I think that there was a possibility that was a turnover.
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Speaker 2: I think any running back would be expected to reach
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Speaker 2: back and and have his hands on it. So I
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Speaker 2: don't I don't think the threat is as serious as
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Speaker 2: as Greg is is describing. Maybe others feel. I understand
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Speaker 2: in the flat it could have been a pick six,
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Speaker 2: but that would have assumed that your running back made
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Speaker 2: exactly zero effort to break it up, you know, you know,
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Speaker 2: as it describes the luck that quarterbacks have or don't have,
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Speaker 2: and that's a thing. Sam Darnold has the same number
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Speaker 2: of turnover worthy plays in the season as Bo Knicks
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Speaker 2: and Dak Prescott. These are Pro Bowl level guys. Drake
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Speaker 2: May has more, Patrick Mahomes has more, and yet and
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Speaker 2: so I think, yeah, you'd like it to be better.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's catastrophic when you consider that the
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Speaker 2: big time throw percent, you know, and the throat number
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Speaker 2: one in the NFL, and you know, just you know,
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Speaker 2: Donald Is is some almost twenty percent higher than Matthew
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Speaker 2: Stafford in big time throws. So at an event, well,
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Speaker 2: we'll just have to see. I know this that you
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Speaker 2: can't have four interceptions against the rams in a few weeks.
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Speaker 2: But but I'm willing to live with for the most
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Speaker 2: part of what we've seen from Sam Donald.
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Speaker 3: I'm with you.
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Speaker 1: I think it is the way you put it when
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Speaker 1: you say it's kind of the cost of doing business.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about two weeks ago Sam
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Speaker 1: Donald was in the conversation for the MVP, and large
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Speaker 1: part it's because of what he and JSN have been doing,
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Speaker 1: and so that's going to be there. I mean, when
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Speaker 1: you look at Matt Stafford's thirty touchdowns to two interceptions,
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Speaker 1: obviously taking care of the ball better, but at the
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Speaker 1: same time, they're not. All of the stats tell nothing
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Speaker 1: but the truth. I think that there's some things that
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Speaker 1: can be lost in the shuffle that aren't real interceptions
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Speaker 1: on the quarterback, just like you can have some that
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Speaker 1: could have been an interception and it didn't turn out
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Speaker 1: to one. That's just the way that sports works. I
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Speaker 1: will go I'll go with you Greg on this one. First,
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Speaker 1: the run game. You've been you know, kind of pounding
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Speaker 1: the drum, not just this year but for years that
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Speaker 1: they needed to run the ball more, and they want
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Speaker 1: to run the ball more. They hear that critique and
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Speaker 1: say Yep, we're going to run the ball more. When
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Speaker 1: I watch the Niners on Monday Night Football, give Christian
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Speaker 1: McCaffrey thirty one touches, and then you look over the
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Speaker 1: stats of Ken Walker and he's typically a you know,
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Speaker 1: eleven fourteen touches a game something around there. Every once
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Speaker 1: in a while I will creep up to seventeen. Is
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Speaker 1: there a part where it's just this is what you're
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Speaker 1: going to get. You're maybe it's borderline preserving him. Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's we like certain plays that sharbon Ay can run
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Speaker 1: when maybe it's just straight ahead run, go bulldoze. We
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Speaker 1: don't need you to do any juking on this one.
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Speaker 1: Is this just maybe what you're going to get. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we're eleven games into it. Maybe this is just who
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Speaker 1: they are. They're not going to change, and they maybe
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Speaker 1: don't even feel like they need to because the passing
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Speaker 1: game is working fairly well when the he's not thrown
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Speaker 1: it to the other team.
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Speaker 4: Well, I've not exactly press mcdonnd, but I'd ask him
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Speaker 4: a few times the last couple of weeks about this
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Speaker 4: and he said again this. He said Monday, coming out
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Speaker 4: of the Tennessee game, that they are going to continue
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Speaker 4: to trend more toward Walker earning more carries and more
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Speaker 4: running back one status. But they still put Sharbona in
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Speaker 4: as a two minute back. They still put him in
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Speaker 4: as a third down back, and they still had him
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Speaker 4: at the goal line. Of course, I had to bounce
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Speaker 4: out five yard touchdown run. That was a drive in
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Speaker 4: which Walker got him down there. But that's not often
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Speaker 4: in games, depending on when the possessions shakeout. Often in games,
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Speaker 4: you as you're doing two minute and you're doing short yardage,
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Speaker 4: and you're doing goal line. And that's how scharbon A
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Speaker 4: has more snaps percentage higher percentage than Walker. I'm with you,
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Speaker 4: I think they need to get to a point where
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Speaker 4: Walker gets twenty touches a game. He is explosive in
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Speaker 4: the past game because he can outrun linebackers in the flat,
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Speaker 4: which he did a couple of times again in Tennessee.
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Speaker 4: He did that against the Rams. He had a twenty
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Speaker 4: three yard run and catch it by just running past
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Speaker 4: the middle linebacker. A middle linebacker just got an extension
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Speaker 4: a three year contract this week from LA. He just
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Speaker 4: flat sprinted past him and got twenty three yards because
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Speaker 4: he beat the linebacker into the flat charoneye doesn't give
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Speaker 4: you that and charmon Ay also the biggest thing. I
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Speaker 4: think that Walker needs to get more short Garady than
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Speaker 4: go on. Walker makes guys miss who are unblocked in
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Speaker 4: the backfield. Charbone makes guys tacklers who are unblocked in
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Speaker 4: the backfield. He runs right into him. Walker eludes them
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Speaker 4: and jukes him and has the speed to get around
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Speaker 4: those guys. And I'm thinking of Ram's game Kobe Turner,
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Speaker 4: who was standing in the backfield on a third and one.
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Speaker 4: It should have been a two yard loss and Walker
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Speaker 4: ran right around him for five yard ga could have
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Speaker 4: been a touchdown with about the safety with his shoe
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Speaker 4: string tackle Walker to me and they're saying what McDonald's saying, Yes,
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Speaker 4: done with the maintenance. Then he said last week we're
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Speaker 4: done with worry about his knee and maint foot and
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Speaker 4: maintaining him. And then Friday he shows up questionable with
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Speaker 4: a clute injury out of nowhere, and we asked him mcdonland,
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Speaker 4: what's this, Well, it's maintenance. Were you just told us
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Speaker 4: we're done with maintenance. So they are not done with
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Speaker 4: maintenance with Walker and they are still preserving him, which
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Speaker 4: is why he didn't get twenty touches in Tennessee. But
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Speaker 4: this is the end of his contract. As we've talked about,
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Speaker 4: I think they owe it to Walker, and they owe
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Speaker 4: it to their offense to give Walker twenty plus touches
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Speaker 4: per game. And if he gets hurt doing that, then
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Speaker 4: that's why they wouldn't resign him next year. But he's
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Speaker 4: your number one threat to make guys miss and have
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Speaker 4: explosive plays at running back for an offense that runs
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Speaker 4: more than anybody in the league. Give him the ball
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Speaker 4: twenty plus times a game.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: I agree with everything that Greg just said, and I've
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Speaker 2: been beating that drum for years. I just think, you know,
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Speaker 2: you look at the NFL with their proclivity to try
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Speaker 2: and run the ball. They're number one in the NFL
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Speaker 2: in pass run racial meaning running the ball. To me,
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Speaker 2: the net explosives have been one of the few stats
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Speaker 2: where you can look and you say that rivals nets
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Speaker 2: for the statistic that correlates most to winning again. Net
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Speaker 2: explosive plays, commonly defined as ten yard rushes, is an
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Speaker 2: explosive play or a twenty yard pass, and the Walkers
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Speaker 2: Walker's capacity to produce an explosive play in the running
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Speaker 2: game is so much higher than Charbonnet's. That to me,
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Speaker 2: it's like you're you know, you're rolling dice and you
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Speaker 2: just want to give yourself those opportunities that he's going
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Speaker 2: to have those explosives. I think he puts more fear
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Speaker 2: into defensive coordinators. I think everything Greg touched on with
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Speaker 2: respects to the contract is apt and and so Yeah,
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Speaker 2: to me, I think there's a really good chance when
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Speaker 2: they finally figure this out, that's when they will reach
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Speaker 2: their highest potential. And we'll be doing shows on Monday.
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Speaker 2: Greg just saying, we've been talking about this for months.
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Speaker 2: We've been talking about this for years.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: Here, you know, Walker just had one hundred and thirteen
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Speaker 2: yards in a play off game and it was the
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Speaker 2: difference between winning and losing. And it's like, where was this?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 4: I can tell you he's not thrilled. He's played good soldier,
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Speaker 4: but he is an individual, knowing where his contract situation is,
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Speaker 4: he has not been happy with how this season is gone.
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Speaker 3: Let's see what they do here in the last six games.
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Speaker 1: Yep, it'll be interesting to see how they do it.
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Speaker 1: All Right, Well, we're gonna break here and when we
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Speaker 1: come back, I have a question from a couple of
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Speaker 1: different angles to ask both these guys about a certain
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Speaker 1: individual that's bawling out at this point right here at
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Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three point three KGRFM. Well, Thanksgiving is
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Speaker 1: tomorrow and I am thankful for a lot of things,
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Speaker 1: and now one of those things is Hugh Millan and
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Speaker 1: Greg Bell. You guys are coming on here, and I
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Speaker 1: don't have to deal with Softy and cam Mother fluffing me.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I did get a little bit of ribbon from Hugh,
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Speaker 1: and that's to be expected him being an actual dog,
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Speaker 1: so I'll take that.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is good.
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Speaker 1: Haven't been able to finish our show before Thanksgiving, So
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Speaker 1: having Thanksgiving to you guys, and thanks for being here.
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Speaker 1: We got Hugh, Yeah, Hugh and Greg. I got a
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Speaker 1: question for you guys about JSN, and yet I think
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Speaker 1: it's from two different angles. The idea of what this
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Speaker 1: guy's doing right now. I mean, there's still a lot
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Speaker 1: of season. He's got to stay healthy and you obviously
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Speaker 1: probably want your number one quarterback to stay healthy, and
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Speaker 1: all of the things have to continue working in his favor.
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Speaker 1: If he's going to track down Megatron for this this
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Speaker 1: you know, possible record breaking season, and yet we can
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Speaker 1: still talk about it as if that it is historical
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Speaker 1: at this point, just simply because he's already broken the record.
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Speaker 1: But I want to go at it from I think, Hugh,
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Speaker 1: I'll go with you first about how what he does
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Speaker 1: that like a quarterback loves that it is from what
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Speaker 1: he does as a receiver. And then Greg, you can
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Speaker 1: follow with what you see behind the scenes that contribute
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Speaker 1: to this guy being something outstanding. So you what is
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Speaker 1: it that you see this guy do that probably makes
19:06
Speaker 1: him an absolute dream to work with. When it comes
19:08
Speaker 1: to the guy throwing to him.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's quick off the ball at the release. If
19:12
Speaker 2: he happens to get jammed or ruled, he has exceptional
19:18
Speaker 2: body control. When he runs speed outs, he can do
19:21
Speaker 2: it at a tight radius at near full speed. I
19:24
Speaker 2: think in part because of his body composition. At six
19:28
Speaker 2: foot and a half, he's neither really tall nor really short,
19:31
Speaker 2: but he's short legged. The percentage of his height that's
19:35
Speaker 2: in in his legs is relatively low, and so that
19:39
Speaker 2: low center of balance set of gravity allows him to
19:43
Speaker 2: do a lot of quick things. His IQ is next level.
19:49
Speaker 2: He has an understanding both, you know, by a race
19:53
Speaker 2: of about three to one. I don't have the exact numbers,
19:55
Speaker 2: but I've done the research by a race of about
19:57
Speaker 2: three to one. He excelled in the slot at Ohio State,
20:01
Speaker 2: and so he had to learn, you know, there's more
20:05
Speaker 2: grasping of a defensive package that you have to be
20:10
Speaker 2: aware of by learning it from the slot, and then
20:14
Speaker 2: when you take it to the outside like he has
20:17
Speaker 2: this year, he's already got the knowledge. So he knows
20:21
Speaker 2: how to be quarterback friendly in his zone. He knows
20:23
Speaker 2: when the windows, Hey, I'll turn my numbers at precisely
20:27
Speaker 2: the right time. And the quarterback is very easy to
20:31
Speaker 2: read his idol rate, so he identifies those quickly. And
20:35
Speaker 2: then and then the way he finishes, you know, on
20:38
Speaker 2: these deep balls, Tyler Lockett I think was an extraordinary
20:42
Speaker 2: when he was at a pro bowl level Ish Tyler Lockett,
20:46
Speaker 2: I thought he had an exceptional ability to close on
20:48
Speaker 2: a deep ball. But he would catch with his body.
20:50
Speaker 2: You can almost in your minds, I see all those
20:52
Speaker 2: catches where he caught the ball with his forearms and
20:55
Speaker 2: his chest. Jackson Smith and Jigba has that incredible ball
21:00
Speaker 2: tracking ability and an ability to finish with guys grabbing
21:03
Speaker 2: on him on deep passes, but he can just pluck
21:06
Speaker 2: it last second with his hands, and so you know,
21:10
Speaker 2: you know, you saw the sixty was a sixty three
21:13
Speaker 2: yarder where you know, he just kind of had enough
21:15
Speaker 2: of a hand fighting. You know, by all accounts, that
21:19
Speaker 2: ball should not have been thrown by Sam Darnold on
21:22
Speaker 2: a third and six. He had an open receiver in
21:25
Speaker 2: the flat. The safety you know, you know, you think about, oh,
21:29
Speaker 2: you're on an island. The safety wasn't on an island.
21:32
Speaker 2: He had helped deep into the post to the anxiety.
21:35
Speaker 2: He had shallow hope help on a low hole. So
21:39
Speaker 2: all he had to do, really do was make sure
21:41
Speaker 2: that you defend the outbreaking routes well well. Now of
21:44
Speaker 2: a sudden that that that that's like having you know
21:48
Speaker 2: that that defender's responsibility has been cut in half, and
21:52
Speaker 2: yet he still couldn't cover him well enough. When Donald
21:55
Speaker 2: just dropped that ball, uh literally walked it out to him.
21:59
Speaker 2: So great. You know, I didn't expect these ratios, but
22:03
Speaker 2: this year you've got JSN at eighty six snaps in
22:08
Speaker 2: the slot four hundred and four to the outside, and
22:13
Speaker 2: you know, you know, well over four pushing, you know,
22:16
Speaker 2: four and a half times, and yet he's been burning corners.
22:22
Speaker 2: You know, before he used to burn linebackers and safeties inside.
22:26
Speaker 2: It takes more moxie inside now. In addition to that,
22:30
Speaker 2: he's just wearing guys out on the perimeter.
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Speaker 4: First player in NFL history was seventy five plus receiving
22:37
Speaker 4: yards in the first eleven games of the season. He,
22:41
Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison, and Cooper Cup that twenty one year with
22:43
Speaker 4: the Rams are the only three guys to ever have
22:46
Speaker 4: this many yards through thirteen games and have one hundred
22:51
Speaker 4: plus yards for the eleven consecutive games, not just to
22:55
Speaker 4: start a season, but at any eleven consecutive game mark.
22:58
Speaker 4: And as I said, he's on pace to break Calvin
23:01
Speaker 4: Johnson's nineteen sixty four one town to nine oh sixty
23:03
Speaker 4: four yards from twenty twelve to the Detroit Lions. He
23:09
Speaker 4: and Frismon Jackson work a lot. Bucky and Hugh at
23:12
Speaker 4: practices on judging balls in the air, high pointing balls,
23:17
Speaker 4: and having defenders keeping defenders onto their back hip. That
23:21
Speaker 4: sixty three yard catch in Tennessee, he was not the
23:24
Speaker 4: primary receiver run at play, and that was not his
23:27
Speaker 4: route and when he saw it was going to be
23:29
Speaker 4: a safety covering him, he decided to take that safety
23:32
Speaker 4: on a walk across the field from left to right.
23:35
Speaker 4: After that play on the sideline, Sam Donald went up
23:37
Speaker 4: to his offensive lineman and thanked every one of them
23:40
Speaker 4: because they had extraordinary pass rush on the pass protection
23:43
Speaker 4: on that to allow Donald to time and Smith and
23:46
Speaker 4: Jib at the time to run a forty yard route
23:49
Speaker 4: from left to across the field to the right. And
23:51
Speaker 4: then the ball comes in the air and Smith and
23:54
Speaker 4: Jigg was slows down and because he can judge the
23:58
Speaker 4: ball to be not quite as far as he was running,
24:01
Speaker 4: but while he slowed down, he kept the defender on
24:03
Speaker 4: his back. That took me and then.
24:06
Speaker 3: I don't say this lightly.
24:07
Speaker 4: That reminded me of Jerry Rice the way. Rice wasn't
24:10
Speaker 4: the fastest straight line player, yet what made him a
24:14
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer was how he judged the ball in
24:16
Speaker 4: the air and then used his body against the defender
24:19
Speaker 4: and kept a defender away from catching the ball even
24:22
Speaker 4: in coverage. And for a quarterback, I would think you
24:24
Speaker 4: you would answer this better and I would that that
24:26
Speaker 4: makes you feel like you can throw it in any
24:28
Speaker 4: coverage whether he's covered or not, no matter who's on him,
24:31
Speaker 4: because he'll just box him out and he'll judge and
24:33
Speaker 4: he'll do the right thing with his hands and timing.
24:36
Speaker 4: I also asked him after the Tennessee game about the
24:39
Speaker 4: fine line of holding your hand out. We all remember
24:42
Speaker 4: the famous sticking the handout by Darryl Jackson in the
24:45
Speaker 4: Super Bowl in Detroit that got an offensive pass interference
24:48
Speaker 4: in the back of the ends, and that probably wasn't
24:50
Speaker 4: but just because his hand got his hand extended the
24:52
Speaker 4: referee the official in the back through the flag and
24:54
Speaker 4: gated a touchdown for the Seahawks against the Steelers. Well,
24:57
Speaker 4: that's basically what Smith and Jagba did against the tight
25:00
Speaker 4: He kept his hand out. I said, what's the fine
25:02
Speaker 4: line there? But if you keep your hand out doing
25:04
Speaker 4: at OPI and he says, Frisman Jackson and I work
25:07
Speaker 4: about keeping that hand in the frame of my body
25:10
Speaker 4: and not extending and showing the official that I am
25:13
Speaker 4: keeping it between my shoulders and not making my area
25:16
Speaker 4: bigger than the frame of my body. And he said
25:19
Speaker 4: that I've come really good at doing that. He also
25:23
Speaker 4: said it doctor the Tennessee game. Frankly, I'm better judging
25:27
Speaker 4: the ball than the defensive backs are and he thinks
25:30
Speaker 4: that's his number one trait for doing what he's doing,
25:33
Speaker 4: is that he can judge the ball in flight better
25:35
Speaker 4: than the guys that are covering him. So far, he's
25:38
Speaker 4: the best in the NFL doing it. And Hugh, I'm
25:42
Speaker 4: going to ask you this week about his slought experience
25:44
Speaker 4: at Ohio State because I think you're exactly right about
25:47
Speaker 4: his IQ and reading defenses and being much more effective
25:51
Speaker 4: outside receiver because of what he does inside.
25:54
Speaker 2: I would like to know. Yeah, I described the mount
25:58
Speaker 2: He pushes off like goldilocks in the porche, not too hot,
26:02
Speaker 2: not too cold, and you've got to push off a
26:04
Speaker 2: little to get the cats, but not too much to
26:07
Speaker 2: get the OPI but I would like to know verbat
26:10
Speaker 2: him his quote about the audiblizing. Uh. This this this
26:15
Speaker 2: freelancing that was taking place during the play because he
26:17
Speaker 2: mosted from left to right and then ran a corner out.
26:20
Speaker 2: He was the lined up as the inside innermost of
26:22
Speaker 2: three receivers. It's man to man like was there a
26:26
Speaker 2: hand signal before the play? I mean, when I coached
26:31
Speaker 2: you know, passing game coordinated at high school level, we
26:33
Speaker 2: used to have the the the corner route or the seam.
26:37
Speaker 2: We used to call call it dolphin check double finn
26:40
Speaker 2: on the outside and then uh and then then you
26:45
Speaker 2: have a check by the third guy either your post
26:47
Speaker 2: to the corner. But there's there's more to the cohesion
26:52
Speaker 2: between the quarterback and the receiver than just saying well
26:56
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna just go out there and run
26:58
Speaker 2: a corner route, particularly again it's an outside leverage guy.
27:01
Speaker 2: I would love to overbad him what he said when
27:04
Speaker 2: that took place in the play before the snap? What
27:07
Speaker 2: have you on that? Did he give any details, because
27:10
Speaker 2: that's pretty fascinating.
27:12
Speaker 3: Well, it was.
27:13
Speaker 4: It was actually a lot of what Donald said as well.
27:15
Speaker 4: After that it was not the primary target and then
27:18
Speaker 4: when he saw it was going to be safety man
27:20
Speaker 4: through the motion, that's when he thought, okay, I go
27:23
Speaker 4: I have Basically I have the entire right side.
27:26
Speaker 3: Of the field to get Smith and Jigbito with the ball.
27:30
Speaker 4: Donald assessed once they saw safety man coverage in the
27:34
Speaker 4: motion pre snap, that he was going to go left
27:37
Speaker 4: to right across the field for a longs. Basically it
27:41
Speaker 4: was a long flag.
27:42
Speaker 2: When he snapped, he was on the right side, So
27:45
Speaker 2: so he went vertical stem and then a corner route.
27:48
Speaker 2: So so in the sense of left to right. But
27:50
Speaker 2: it wasn't like it wasn't like an over route where
27:53
Speaker 2: he the ball was snapped. Who's on the left side
27:55
Speaker 2: he was. He was on the right side of nowhere
27:58
Speaker 2: up against a one this time. But but but he
28:02
Speaker 2: he went to the corner route, that would be that
28:05
Speaker 2: would be a lot of latitude for the quarterback to
28:08
Speaker 2: not know what route he was running as he's dropping back,
28:13
Speaker 2: you know, So I'm that.
28:14
Speaker 4: Mischaracter he saw once he saw the coverage and the
28:17
Speaker 4: safety gonna be man on him. After the motion, Darnold
28:21
Speaker 4: said he knew he had the flag route the corner
28:24
Speaker 4: route for Smith and Jiggba. It's just a matter of
28:26
Speaker 4: getting it long enough to get it to him. And
28:28
Speaker 4: that's when he credited the pass protection for it. Suffice
28:31
Speaker 4: to say, the trust factor is really high. For a
28:34
Speaker 4: quarterback and receiver have only played eleven games together plus
28:37
Speaker 4: of training camp, it looks like they've played together for years.
28:42
Speaker 4: There's a discussion inside of this, well, what about the
28:44
Speaker 4: trooper cup and Rasid Shahit Shaheit has three three catches
28:48
Speaker 4: for thirty yards.
28:49
Speaker 3: In three games with the Seahawks right.
28:51
Speaker 4: Now, when will it catch up to him that they're.
28:53
Speaker 3: The preponderance of all these targets are Smith and Jigbus.
28:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's impressive to say the least. All Right, Well,
28:58
Speaker 1: we're going to go to break, can come back with
29:00
Speaker 1: one last segment. I might get just an overarching view
29:04
Speaker 1: looking forward about this. We'll stick around and get one
29:07
Speaker 1: more segment of the Seahawks Round Table with Hugh and
29:09
Speaker 1: Greg right after the break here at Sports Radio ninety
29:12
Speaker 1: three point three KGRFM.
29:23
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
29:24
Speaker 1: One final segment on our Seahawks Roundtable. We got Hugh,
29:28
Speaker 1: we got Greg breaking it down, getting it from all
29:30
Speaker 1: different angles. We're gonna go into this fairly quick. We
29:33
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of time before people are gonna
29:36
Speaker 1: get home and I don't know, start cooking their turkeys
29:38
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So I'll go ahead and I'll start with you, Hugh.
29:41
Speaker 1: What's your kind of one last thought getting ready for
29:44
Speaker 1: a game that maybe you feel like, maybe the Seahawks
29:47
Speaker 1: feel like this is when we should win, maybe gotta
29:50
Speaker 1: win considering how tight the standings are.
29:52
Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things. I think it's interesting that
29:55
Speaker 2: the NFC West. The two teams that you're competing against
29:58
Speaker 2: the Rams obviously in forty nine because of the placement.
30:02
Speaker 2: Last year, the Rams won the division. Seattle was number two,
30:05
Speaker 2: but the forty nine Ers were last. They had the
30:08
Speaker 2: forty nine ers got the better schedule in that regard,
30:11
Speaker 2: And and there's there's three wild I shouldn't use wild card
30:15
Speaker 2: because that that that denotes playoffs, but there's three slotted
30:19
Speaker 2: games based on your division. And and for Seattle, because
30:24
Speaker 2: they were number two in the NFC West, it was
30:27
Speaker 2: the Steelers who were number two in their division. Last year,
30:30
Speaker 2: Seattle obviously got to win. It was the Commanders. Seattle
30:32
Speaker 2: got to win. And now it's Minnesota, and we'll see
30:35
Speaker 2: what happens in that regard. The forty nine Ers, they
30:40
Speaker 2: with the fourth place schedule, they've already played the Giants,
30:42
Speaker 2: they have yet to play Cleveland and Chicago. That's their
30:45
Speaker 2: their corresponding fourth place teams that is yet to be determined.
30:49
Speaker 2: And the Rams they had Philadelphia they lost, and they
30:54
Speaker 2: they had Baltimore where they won, and they have the
30:59
Speaker 2: week before the play Seattle. They have Detroit, which was
31:03
Speaker 2: the first place team in the NFC North. So I
31:05
Speaker 2: think this the whole scale of part that that interests me,
31:08
Speaker 2: and then the other part we kind of touched on it.
31:11
Speaker 2: The Vikings, they are number one in the NFL in
31:14
Speaker 2: the use of three to four that's base personnel, but
31:16
Speaker 2: three defensive linemen four linebackers. When you have three defensive
31:20
Speaker 2: linemen and four linebackers to create a four man rush,
31:22
Speaker 2: you're gonna have blitz at least one linebacker. So there's
31:25
Speaker 2: more of an issue with identification. And to that end,
31:31
Speaker 2: the Vikings are number one in the NFL in the
31:34
Speaker 2: percentage of their snaps that produce a pressure. So they
31:38
Speaker 2: are doing a defense that's number one in the NFL.
31:41
Speaker 2: And by the way, Seattle in training camp when you're
31:44
Speaker 2: practicing that Seattle is less than two percent of their
31:46
Speaker 2: plays than three four The Vikings are forty four and
31:50
Speaker 2: a half percent. So they're going to be seeing something
31:52
Speaker 2: that they don't see. And the Vikings again number one
31:56
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Now Seahawks are number one in the
31:58
Speaker 2: total number of pressures by their defense, but the percentage
32:01
Speaker 2: of plays that produce a pressure, the Vikings are number one.
32:05
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've confused in that regard. It's
32:07
Speaker 2: just there's a difference in contrast where the Seahawks and finally, Greg,
32:12
Speaker 2: the Seahawks are number one in the NFL and use
32:14
Speaker 2: of nickel, the Vikings are dead last thirty second, which
32:19
Speaker 2: corresponds to what I said about the three four of
32:21
Speaker 2: the base. But it's not just base personnel. It's three
32:25
Speaker 2: four base personnel, which means that some linebreckers coming from
32:29
Speaker 2: somewhere and it's still and which seems like a blitz
32:32
Speaker 2: to a quarterback, but it's still just a four man rush.
32:34
Speaker 2: They can play their seven man zones, which is standard
32:38
Speaker 2: in the back end. So that's a challenge for Seattle's offense.
32:41
Speaker 2: You've seen some of the effectiveness as reflected in those numbers.
32:47
Speaker 2: Five Minnesota's defense impressive. Hugh, you never cease to amaze me.
32:51
Speaker 2: You really don't. Honest to god, I'm order to bore you. No,
32:55
Speaker 2: I don't get bored inundate you WITHISSI manussa.
32:58
Speaker 1: Nope, Nope, I don't get bored. Are all right? Well
33:00
Speaker 1: that's good stuff, Greg. I mean what going into this game,
33:03
Speaker 1: which you're kind of overarching thought and prediction on this
33:06
Speaker 1: bad boy.
33:08
Speaker 4: Two words Max Brosmer, Who the hell is Max Brosmer exactly.
33:13
Speaker 3: That's that's the game right there.
33:15
Speaker 4: Max Brosmer played four years at the University in New Hampshire.
33:18
Speaker 4: He played one year at the University of Minnesota. He
33:21
Speaker 4: didn't get drafted the NFL, he didn't get to my recollection,
33:25
Speaker 4: invited to the combine, and he's going to start at
33:27
Speaker 4: quarterback as an undrafted rookie on Sunday because JJ McCarthy
33:31
Speaker 4: has a concussion. He's getting all the number one snaps
33:33
Speaker 4: this week in Minnesota. They've been saying it seems inevitable
33:37
Speaker 4: that he was going to beat the quarterback because not
33:38
Speaker 4: only was McCarthy gonna end up getting hurt again, but
33:42
Speaker 4: the number two is hurt. Carson Wentz is also injured
33:45
Speaker 4: with an out of the year, out of the year
33:47
Speaker 4: with a shoulder injury. So now of that, the number three,
33:50
Speaker 4: a number three undrafted rookie quarterback coming in here against
33:53
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald's defense.
33:55
Speaker 3: Game over, end of story.
33:56
Speaker 4: Sam donald could throw five interceptions and they're gonna win
33:59
Speaker 4: on Sunday if the defense just does its job, and
34:02
Speaker 4: they've been doing its job pretty much all season, stopping
34:05
Speaker 4: the run, forcing long third downs and then being able
34:08
Speaker 4: to pressure quarterbacks when it's third and eight, nine, ten
34:11
Speaker 4: to eleven instead of third, two and three. The biggest
34:14
Speaker 4: difference in the Rams game for the Seahawk defense the
34:17
Speaker 4: turnovers that put him in boxes. Yes, and the gift
34:19
Speaker 4: of the Rams two touchdowns. But Stafford was in third
34:22
Speaker 4: and two and three a lot, and even in the
34:24
Speaker 4: second half in Tennessee, the Titans converted all those third
34:27
Speaker 4: and fourth downs because it was third and fourth and one,
34:29
Speaker 4: two and three and not third and ten. The Seahawks
34:32
Speaker 4: by and large this season have had teams in third
34:34
Speaker 4: and tens. This should be a mismatch with the defense.
34:38
Speaker 4: I think in like one, I'm not going to I
34:40
Speaker 4: won't predict a shutout again because I messed that up
34:42
Speaker 4: last week, but I'm saying twenty four to six something
34:44
Speaker 4: like that.
34:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, Griggs exactly right on that point. But there have
34:49
Speaker 2: been a few quarterbacks that under Kevin McConnell have have
34:54
Speaker 2: have six Nick Mullins, Jaren Hall and do you remember
34:58
Speaker 2: when Josh Dobbs was picked up in in three days,
35:00
Speaker 2: he went like four and oh his first four starts
35:03
Speaker 2: now eventually turned into a pumpkin. But mccon Kevin O'Connell
35:07
Speaker 2: has some success with these third string young quarterbacks playing
35:11
Speaker 2: well beyond expectation. Hopefully that doesn't happen on Sunday.
35:15
Speaker 1: All right, guys, great stuff again and breaking it down,
35:18
Speaker 1: figuring out what to look forward to, what to watch
35:21
Speaker 1: out for when it comes into this game. I want
35:23
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35:25
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35:27
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35:31
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35:34
Speaker 1: If we can't, yeah, all right, well that's Greg and
35:36
Speaker 1: Hugh breaking it down. That's the end of our Seahawks roundtable.
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35:45
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35:54
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