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Do Flood's claims about MRAs and DV hold water? | HBR Talk 290 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello, and welcome to HBr talk to ninety to Floods claims about m ra's
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  and DV hold water. HBr talked to ninety is gonna be fun because,
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  uh we we have a shitload of information starting starting with to debunk his claim
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  about m ra's claims. But we'll we'll go we'll go there in a minute.
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  I'm your host, Hannah Walla with huh Michael Flood's Michael Flood's claims,
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  can't even hold my beer? Oh my god, that's great. Uh.
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  Well, and and honestly, like dude, if you're gonna argue with us,
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  at least argue with us. Don't argue with the MRIs in your head.
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  It makes you look bad. Yeah, oh my gosh, this is
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  gonna be a fun night. I'm already in the mood. Guys. Allison
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  had a Twitter thread that I jumped into and I was in a Twitter thread
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  two nights ago and I pa, the people in the thread are not happy
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  with me. Well, on the other side, are not happy with me
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  for this. But so I had two threads of liars and false framers,
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  which are liars with extra steps. And we're going to be you know,
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  talking about a liar and false framer tonight, so this should be great.
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  I'm already he's a yeah, a professional liar. He's got a pH d
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  in it. That's that's a pissy Ho degree, just for for the for
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  the for the layman who doesn't understand university speak. pH d in when when
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  we're talking, you know, in social sciences, feminism especially is uh,
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  you know, a pissy ho degree. So there you go. But yeah,
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  I'm here tonight with Lauren Brooks not since Annihilator and with Mike Stevenson,
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  the personification of perceptivity, and tonight we're going to fact check ourself proclaimed fact
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  should be there. So here we go, guys. Let's look at this
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  page which is half trapped behind obs. I need a bigger computer screen again.
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  Michael Flood claims that the men's rights position on domestic violence is that men
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  are victimized by domestic violence thirty three percent more more often than women. Anybody
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  see a problem with that, That's the MRA position, right. Nothing about
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  all the discussion that we've had about how when men are victims of violence they
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  have little to no recourse against their perpetrators. Nothing about the importance of being
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  able to get men out of violent environments, because when they get into a
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  position where they can no longer refrain from defending themselves, their defensive violence may
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  be out of control and create even more tragedy. Nothing about the fact that
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  men's lives can be in danger just as much danger to the individual man as
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  any woman can be, depending on his the the intentions and behaviors of his
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  perpetrator. Right. Nothing about lesbian violence and how that reflects on differences in
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  behavior. Nothing about the fact that we have advocated repeatedly, very vocally to
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  just expand the taboo that men face. Don't hit girls, don't hit don't
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  hit women to both sexiest. Don't hit each other. Women shouldn't hit men
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  because it's hitting a person who's not allowed to defend themselves. Right. It's
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  it's just as bad to hit someone who's not allowed to defend himself as to
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  hit someone who is weaker than you and less capable of defending themselves, like
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  men are also admonished. This is it's less often talked about that. Uh.
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  We teach big strong guys to not pick on guys who were smaller than
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  them, right, And we teach big strong guys that it's their job to
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  protect the people around them. I know because I come from a family with
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  a lot of big, strong eyes. The men in my family, many
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  of them are over six feet tall, big, big boned. Big.
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  When I say big boned, I mean like when they're in their prime.
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  Their wristbones some of them are as big as my knees when I was in
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  my prime. And so we're talking men who people looked at them and treated
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  them like they were intimidating, even when they had done nothing to intimidate anybody,
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  just their very presence. And so they get treated as though they're appearance
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  is an act of violence from the beginning, as though there appearance is an
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  act of deliberate intimidation. Right, we talk about stuff like that. We
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  may have some people within the movement who have cited a study and made a
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  claim about the difference in frequency of reported violence. But it's not the study
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  that he's talking about. He's talking about a study that's based on a survey
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  of of staff and students here, So let's go ahead and take a look
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  at what he actually wrote here. So, are you guys able to see
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  my window? Even though it says it's running, it's got but it's black
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  with lettering over it in my window, So yeah, I can say it,
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  Okay. I just want to make sure because like, I keep going
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  back and forth between discord and what I'm actually looking at, because discord makes
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  it look like it's paused, which is annoying. So says here, Violence
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  and Gender men's rights advocates MRIs like to cherry pick findings that show or seem
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  to show that domestic violence against men is more common than DV against women.
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  The latest example comes from a multi country study of university staff's experience with violence.
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  So he's he's admitting in the first paragraph that this is not the claim,
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  but this is his the only claim he's addressing. So I don't know,
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  maybe we should take his concession on everything else. This is his concession
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  on everything else. Is the statistic I've often heard that men experienced something like
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  and you have to take some of that with a pinch of salt, because
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  you don't know what gets reported and what doesn't. But one wouldn't wish to
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  report on unreported things because they're unreported. Well, I mean, let's let's
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  put it this way. Let's discuss the uh, the tendency to report being
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  victimized. Right. If I was out in public with my husband and people
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  saw me look angry and then turn around and slap him, a lot of
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  people would be like, oh, what did he do wrong? Right?
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  They wouldn't they wouldn't care, They wouldn't call anybody. Nobody would say anything
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  to me, unless you know, maybe maybe some women might say, hey,
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  that's not how you how you handle being angry. But most most people
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  don't approach me when I'm angry, and it's I think a lot of it
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  is because women get away with that kind of stuff. But also, you
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  know, a lot of people have resting bitch faith. I have resting psycho
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  killer face, and I think it's a bit of a deterrent. So and
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  it's worse now because I'm I've got a front tooth that's broken. This is
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  gonna sound painful. I can assure you guys, the nerves are dead and
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  it's genetic. I have two mutations on the motherfucker gene if it got talked
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  about this before. But so I look like a scary, toothless not toothless,
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  but broken toothed old witch right now till I get get my teeth fixed,
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  which I'm not gonna do till I'm prepared to take time off from everything
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  to deal with having all the teeth in the my upper jaw pulled out right,
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  So people wouldn't approach me for a lot of reasons. Now, if
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  I was a man, even if I was a big man, and I
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  looked Hulk scary or crazy man scary, you know crazy, I don't know,
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  Warlock Man scary, there would still be guys who felt obligated, even
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  if they thought they were going to lose the fight, even if they thought
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  they were going to get their asses kicked, there would definitely be people calling
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  the cops. I see do I see picture? Oh God, you guys
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  do not want to see this. It's it will hurt to look at it.
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  It It's yeah anyway, But the point being so already we see a
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  difference. So externally. Nobody is going to report or confront if I slap
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  him, he will definitely be reported and confronted. If he slaps me,
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  also, he would probably break my neck if he did it on purpose well,
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  or if he was out of control. He's very strong, but in
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  any case, Uh. The other thing about it is he would be unlikely
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  to say anything, where as if I didn't die, I would be.
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  I would be scared to death. You know. If my husband wasn't the
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  gentle and kind person that I look up to and try to emulate and have
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  settled down a lot because of and he was violent like that, I'd be
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  terrified. You bet I would report, You bet I would run. It
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  would be a much more exaggerated thing. And the really bad thing is if
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  the sizes were reversed, if I was if it was Jack Spratt and his
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  wife and he slapped her, people would still treat it the same as they
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  would treat the situation if it was my husband and me. I don't know
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  who jacket is. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, his wife could eat
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  no lean, and so betwixt the both of them, they licked the platter
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  clean. The Jack Spratt and his wife Jack Spratt is always portrayed as like
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  this incredibly thin, gaunt guy because everybody always thinks that fat eating fat makes
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  you fat. And his wife is this big, hulking, uh, I
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  don't know, overbearing ballbuster of a woman. Right. So yeah, if
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  if it was actually a little guy and a big hulking ballbuster of a woman
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  and he slapped her, people would still treat it like, oh, that
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  that guy is abusing that poor innocent woman. He's gonna hurt her. We
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  have to do something. He would still be some people might some people might
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  assume that Jack Spatt's wife was some kind of golock thing going on, and
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  it's actually a man today. It could be it could be a transwoman and
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  a transman. You don't know anymore, I know. I mean that's what
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  you get from marrying a transwoman, like like they're uniquely violent or something they're
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  not. I mean, either way, someone would be on the phone to
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  the cops, and the cops are going to show up, and that's where
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  it really matters, is you know, who's gonna get taken away in handcuffed?
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  Yep? You know, And in certain states, you know, the
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  laws don't treat men as equally as they do women. So you know,
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  if they if they show up and and the man says that, you know,
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  he's been assaulted by the woman. You know, some in some places
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  it's it's you know, they'll either take both of them away or you know,
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  the guy won't be leading. He'll be the one that's that's dragged off
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  to jail, you know, and then to have to prove his point later
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  by hiring lawyers. Yeah, yeah, it's a mess. And Night Motorcyclist,
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  somebody brought up Ronda Rousey, and Night Motorcyclist said, she's overrated.
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  But I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want to get into a fight with
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  her. No, she's I think she's young me and and then of course
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  obviously she works out a lot more than I do and is trained, so
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  it would it would still suck for me. And I think a lot of
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  men, and like general, guys that are just you know, the guy
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  that works at the convenience store down the street, the guy that that's driving
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  a number, you know, the guy that's guys that are not doing they're
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  not the ones handling the heavy lifting on a construction site and everything. Guys
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  that work in chemical labs and and spend their whole day testing things and and
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  writing things down. I don't think they would want to get into a fight
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  with either. According to a certain report, there's an alarming amount of men,
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  apparently, especially American men, who think they could be a tiger or
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  a lion or a grizzly bear in a fist fight. Well a fight,
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  yeah, we can hideously overestimate their strength. Sometimes especially it is they overestimate
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  their speed and whether they'd be able to quickly outsmarten the animal. But because
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  I've I've had that mental game that you you play with yourself, right,
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  what would happen? What would I do if X y Z happened? You
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  know, what would I do if some some people came onto this bus that
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  I'm on, uh, with guns and took the took the bush hostage,
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  hijacked it and everything. What would I do? You know? People have
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  that kind of what would I do in the scenario? So they think about
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  that with animals, and I've always thought, well, obviously I would.
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  I would grab something long and sharp and shove it down the animal's throat.
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  Except can you guarantee that something like that's going to be handy? You know
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  the real answer is you run like and pray, and if you come across
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  something that you might be able to use to stop the animal from being able
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  to close its os on your poor pink human flesh, you know, blood,
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  blood filled, uh, totally soft, unprotected and at wimpy by by
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  comparison, covered in skin that's much much less hard and thick than an animal
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  skin. Human flesh. Well, then then you do that. I have
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  to wonder how much of those ditictions came down to if it was specifically a
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  fist fight, because that because that means Marcus and Queensberry rules. You can't
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  use claws, you can't use teeth. So if it was just fists,
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  then I don't know. Maybe maybe you could be a medium sized big cat,
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  but that's like you can't. And women have claws and teeth as well,
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  by the way, and they use them. Yeah. And the one
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  other thing that women and cats have in common is if if you actually said
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  Marcus of Queensberry rules, they would completely ignore that and fight however the fuck
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  they wanted. Having been in a few with some people that I weren't sure
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  whether they were women or cats, Oh yeah, no, every everything,
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  everything comes out the nails, the claws, you rip the hair out like
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  it's everything's fair game. Like, oh my god. The first time I
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  got into a fight with somebody who used to weave, I was just like,
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  you know, they they they they pull hair, they pull hair,
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  and and you try to get a hold of the fingertips to get them out
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  of the hair, and eventually resort to grabbing their hair and pulling. And
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  there's an interesting discovery. Some people, and it's not all all users of
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  fake hair, but some users of fake hair can be completely disabled by having
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  it exposed that their hair is fake. Yeah, all of a sudden,
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  the fight stops. They're not like that's like, that's like getting in a
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  swimming pool. Okay, you gotta weave. You ain't getting in a swimming
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  pool. You can't fuck up that had It's the level of vanity that women
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  will, you know, that line that women will not cross. You know
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  well, and the girls that I grew up with, like when we would
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  when we would get into fights, you're talking, you know, fists baled
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  up, elbows out a little bit, your feet spread just right to to
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  keep your balance, and none of this. I'm gonna grab something and hold
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  on it's I'm gonna jack your jaw, your head's gonna turn halfway around.
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  You're gonna be lucky if you can still stand up after I hit you,
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  you know that kind of thing. And and of course I was not a
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  very big girl, so I ended up having to learn to do things like
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  somebody throw a punch at me, I would I would pull, grab and
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  pull and knock them down and that kind of thing. This is, this
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  is just simply common sense in a fight. You're right, you want to
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  stop the other person from hitting you. That's the whole goal of a fight,
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  stop the other person from continuing to hit you, unless you started the
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  fight, and then your goal is to hurt the other person. But I
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  know I didn't. I didn't start fights, physical fights. I just would
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  get into them because people did things. I said, you didn't start them,
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  you ended them. Yeah, I did end them. It's one of
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  those things, like I never really felt good about it that either way.
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  Yeah. I also wasn't going to back down if I thought something was right,
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  you know, if I said something and people were like, you took
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  the book, We're gonna kick your ass, I'm like, you know,
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  brown too, really can we can we just talk about this. Come on,
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  but no, And so in my neighborhood, by the time we were
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  I would say what kids would call middle school age, fifth and sixth grade.
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  None of the girls in my neighborhood felt it necessary to beat on each
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  other over anything but boys. Right if if if one of the girls saw
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  one of the other girls looking at her boyfriend, then then there would be
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  a fight. And the main thing my my response to all of that was
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  to simply, like, some if somebody accused me of that, I'd be
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  like, why would I be looking at your boyfriend? You know, I'm
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  not interested in your boyfriend. That's not who I like. You know,
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  he's he's your boyfriend for fuck's sake, you know whatever. That would be
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  the end of that. And and most of the time that ended it just
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  being conciliatory. No, I'm not doing that. I am sorry it looked
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  that way. I'm not interested, but I'm not gonna touch some other girl's
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  boyfriend with a ten foot pole because he's some other girl's boyfriend. Very simple,
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  uh, And And for the most part that was that. And then
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  you go out of town doing things like I learned very quickly that I didn't
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  like hanging out in bars because there was always some dumb bitch in there that
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  we get a few drinks in her and then find out there were girls from
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  my hometown in that bar. And I do not know how people always figure
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  that out. We don't have a special accent. I don't think we have
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  a special look. Maybe we did, but there would be some bullshit come
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  up, and they would try to start a fight, or we would be
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  enjoying ourselves dancing and you know, my friend would be drinking and I would
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  be the designated driver, and all of a sudden, there's a fight breaking
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  out on the floor and people are getting thrown around and we leave. So
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  I learned that that was bull But female violence, yeah, people don't.
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  People get scared of it when it's happening, and then afterwards they're like,
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  well, it was just women. It's no big deal. Are you kidding
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  me? That that girl put the other girl through the wall? The dry
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  wall is broken there now? Oh yeah, you know it's it's a couple
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  of women. Yeah. No, I'm not scared of it. I just
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  don't want to be around it. I don't want to have to deal with
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  it, you know what. I mean, because God forbid it comes in
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  my direction and I have to then get involved. Oh, we all going
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  down. It's just it's not gonna end pretty, you know. So that's
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  why I just fucking stay home. I don't I don't want to deal with
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  people and their fucking excesses, right, right. So there's there's two groups
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  of women. There's women who prefer to avoid all that shit, right and
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  there's women who wallow in it. And women who wallow in it are avoided
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  by women who avoid it obviously, Uh, because we don't. We don't
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  want to get caught up in it. We don't want to get involved in
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  it. We learned how to negotiate our way out of it when we were
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  in elementary school, like boys, and that's the end of it, you
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  know. And then there are guys that are the same way. There are
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  guys that like to go out and get in bar fights. And then then
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  there are guys that like to test their strength about against each other and they
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  do it for sport. That's a whole different category of violence. It's not
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  it's not. It's competitive violence, not adversarial animosity based violence, or predator
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  relational aggression. You might call it. Aggression to get someone who can't leave.
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  I mean, women can even go to a shelter, but men,
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  generally they have nowhere to go, and unless they're lucky enough to still have
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  friends after being married for a sufficient time yep. And in that situation,
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  when you look at female violence in the categories of female violence, how I
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  would category categorize female violence against men is like pick picking on someone in handcuffs.
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  You see social handcuffs on him. You expect him to not hit you
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  back because he's not allowed. You expect him to withstand the violence and to
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  not be wounded by it because you're taught that he's bigger, stronger, faster,
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  and has more endurance than you are and therefore he's better able to take
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  it. And so when women engage in violence against men, it is based
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  on an attitude that ignores their humanity, that ignores their their ability to to
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  not their ability, but their obligation, I should say to to pretend they
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  can take it, their obligation to not hit back, their obligation to endure
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  suffering because a woman is inflicted it and not another man. And it's to
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  me that's more malicious than attacking someone in animosity because you know you're angry knowing
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  that they could hit you back, Like when you know, when guys get
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  into fights with each other about something, when they get angry with each other
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  about something and they actually get into a fight, you know, And I've
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  seen that in bars two where you know, a couple of drunk guys get
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  get on each other about something. One of them does something the other one
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  thinks is highly inappropriate, and you know where a bouncer has to throw a
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  guy out because that guy is being disruptive, you know whatever. People do
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  stupid shit sometimes when they're they're people who can't control themselves when they're drinking.
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  They do really stupid shit sometimes. And it's a completely different situation when it's
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  guy on guy because each one knows the other one can inflict damage. Each
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  one knows the other one is not held back from from by any kind of
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  taboo from defending himself when attacked, and each one knows that if he injures
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  the other one in the course of the fight, that it's going to be
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  considered uh par for the course. You got in a fight, you got
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  injured, you know, that's that's what you should expect. Whereas when women
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  do it to men. The woman goes into it with these false beliefs that
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  she's invincible, you know, he's because he's not allowed to fight back,
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  or that she's blameless because she's the woman and what she's doing can't be wrong.
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  And those are things that we talk about. So this thing of him
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  going into the numbers more men and women, well, you know what,
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  when a guy is asleep on his couch in his living room and his significant
• 28:07
  other brings in a teapot with boiling water and pours it on him, he
• 28:11
  doesn't care what percentage of guys have experienced violence from women. Right, he
• 28:19
  has experienced third degree burns at the hands of his female s o, right,
• 28:27
  it doesn't matter what other guys have experienced. It matters what's happening to
• 28:32
  him right now. But so he says, let's see MRI has claimed that
• 28:41
  study shows that more men than women have experienced physical domestic violence, all right,
• 28:45
  So now he's added the word physical, even though they claim he's citing
• 28:51
  just says been victimized by domestic violence thirty three percent more often than women,
• 28:55
  says fifteen country study, which never seen that claim made. So I don't
• 29:00
  know what MRAs he's talking to says there are at least two problems. One,
• 29:06
  the study is not about domestic violence. The questions ask about violence by
• 29:11
  someone connected with the institution, other staff or students, not intimate partners.
• 29:17
  See the survey instrument here example pages thirty three, forty two, and so
• 29:21
  on. This is the study that you chose. This is your example.
• 29:27
  Yeah, good God. Then it goes on and says, the study shows
• 29:36
  that women suffer more violence than men. Women suffer more violence overall, more
• 29:40
  psychological violence. He did say psychological violence. Wow, economic violence. Feminism
• 29:52
  has really warped our language sex, spiritual violence, and sexual harassment. See
• 30:00
  table one, page thirty three in the full report here. So I'm going
• 30:04
  to basically say fuck his study, because we're not. I don't care about
• 30:11
  his claim about MRAs. So I'm gonna switch here to the past study.
• 30:21
  The PASK page on the rates of bidirectional versus unidirectional intimate partner violence across samples,
• 30:27
  sexual orientations and race slash ethnicities. A comprehensive review by Jennifer Langen Richson,
• 30:36
  Rolling and Company, which you know you can say that five times fast.
• 30:42
  It's a long title and a long author name, and one of the
• 30:48
  things that this study found and it's it's kind of challenging to read because it
• 30:57
  instead of saying out of one hundred percent, it's it's going or well,
• 31:03
  I get I'll get there. So in the early paragraphs here, this is
• 31:11
  very small on my computer, but if I make it bigger, it's gonna
• 31:17
  be hard to read on the page. So researchers have increasingly challenged the notion
• 31:22
  that the notion of men's unilateral perpetration rights, talking about that such findings have
• 31:32
  led to gender symmetry versus asymmetry debate. Resolution of this debate has important prevention
• 31:37
  and intervention implications. So what she's basically explaining here is if feminists are wrong
• 31:45
  about domestic violence being mostly male perpetrated as a means of mostly controlling women,
• 31:52
  and there's a lot of female perpetration and the reason isn't what they're saying,
• 32:00
  then intervening in that violence and helping people to develop better ways of relating to
• 32:06
  each other so there's no violence in the relationship is going to take a different
• 32:08
  pathway than they're using. So very important to get it right if you want
• 32:15
  to actually reduce domestic violence big if a resolution of the debate. Let's see
• 32:22
  in the current study, a comprehensive review of the literature was conducted and fifty
• 32:29
  studies forty eight empirical studies, one meta analysis, and one book one book
• 32:36
  chapter sorry that reported rates of bidirectional versus unidirectional violence were uncovered using a variety
• 32:45
  of search engines and key terms. So this basically, when he talks about
• 32:51
  the study that he's talking about, he's talking about one study at one university
• 32:57
  that has nothing to do with domestic violence. He admits the study has nothing
• 33:01
  to do with domestic violence. So there's there's, there's that. So what
• 33:08
  we're looking at then, let's see, you're gonna scroll down here to the
• 33:13
  next page. According to the results presented in the manuscript script that corresponds with
• 33:19
  this online table, and that would be the table on on on the analysis.
• 33:24
  All studies included were entered into an online summary table that includes the full
• 33:31
  reference for this study, the average weighted rate of IPv reported was six sixteen
• 33:43
  point three percent, so about one in four relationships average domestic violence. So
• 33:49
  three out of four relationships do not even have domestic violence. And that's that's
• 33:57
  from all those studies. I think one in four is still a lot.
• 34:00
  Personally. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, god, damn this
• 34:06
  to see this is another thing like I talk about, you know, what
• 34:07
  would happen if my husband and I were violent toward each other? Well,
• 34:12
  I could not. I just couldn't, you know. But it's because I
• 34:19
  have better conflict management skill than that. And I love my husband. I
• 34:25
  gay rely love my husband, care a lot about him. I'm invested in
• 34:29
  his welfare. I like seeing him happy. Yeah, And if I hurt
• 34:34
  his feelings, that would devastate me. That would break me, Oh my
• 34:38
  god. Yeah, Like I you know, he has to be gentle when
• 34:45
  he doesn't like something I've done, because I feel so bad if I screw
• 34:51
  up, and if I slip up and let my temper get the best of
• 34:55
  me in front of him, I'm so embarrassed. Like I could let it
• 34:59
  happen of all you guys, and I'd feel a little bad about it.
• 35:01
  But his opinion matters more than everyone else I know put together. Yeah,
• 35:07
  it's a different way of relating to somebody, I think, and I think
• 35:14
  that that part of what happens with domestic violence is that people grow up in
• 35:20
  environments where they don't learn to connect with someone on that level and value another
• 35:25
  person outside of themselves on that level. I have to wonder if there's one
• 35:34
  in four relationships as domestic vious, if that includes all those bullshit feminist terms
• 35:42
  like psychological violence and economic violence. Oh, I'm sure that that might begin
• 35:49
  to explain it, especially if many of them are bogus claims of economic violence,
• 35:54
  like you only earn fifty grand a year instead of half a million.
• 36:00
  Well, or you won't let me use the credit card. Well the credit
• 36:02
  card is maxed out. Well, then pay it off. I don't have
• 36:06
  the money to pay it off. Oh, you're you're being economically violent.
• 36:08
  You're withholding money from me. No, you maxed out the credit card and
• 36:14
  I don't have money to put on it right now. There is no money
• 36:16
  like that that come. I've heard that conversation, Have actually heard that conversation,
• 36:22
  and you know the the Well, you're being economically abusive. How I'm
• 36:30
  not the one spending all our money, you know, like I've literally heard
• 36:34
  that conversation. Is there visual Well, there is such a thing as audio
• 36:39
  violence. But then there's also what people might call audio violence. If you
• 36:45
  make sound loud enough, it can do physical damage. I suppose you there's
• 36:55
  also ways to make light do physical damage. Uh, but I think it's
• 37:05
  easier to do with sound waves. And like, if you smell, then
• 37:12
  that's violence. Well, if you smell bad enough, then some lady at
• 37:15
  the gas station I used to work at will be like, as soon as
• 37:17
  you leave the room and be like, what's the matter with that guy?
• 37:21
  Doesn't he respect women? You know, because the rest of the people in
• 37:24
  the room can't smell them, just the women? Yeah, exactly, how
• 37:30
  dare he be homeless? But and smoke, that's a whole another ball game.
• 37:38
  So the the the actual data getting back to the actual data here,
• 37:42
  So sixteen out of that sixteen percent, all right, using weighted averages,
• 37:49
  those reporting IPv is intimate partner violence. So the for the the layman,
• 37:57
  you'll see in in these studies you'll see the term biden directional and unidirectional to
• 38:06
  describe two way violence and one way violence. And then you might see mutual
• 38:12
  violence versus individual violence for the same description. You'll see what's the other one
• 38:22
  one way and two way. I think you'll see IPv for inmate partner violence.
• 38:30
  You'll see DV for domestic violence. You'll see ip and s V for
• 38:37
  intimate partner and sexual violence. Then let's see f m PV is female on
• 38:45
  male partner violence, and m f PV is not motherfucking partner violence. It's
• 38:52
  male and female, it's partner violence. So that's you're good to see a
• 38:58
  lot of this abbreviated and initialed and all that kind of stuff. So just
• 39:02
  why, why why the need for the fucking distinction it's violence? Yeah,
• 39:08
  and I it's partly because of all of this, the claims that it's a
• 39:13
  male behavior. You have to acknowledge, you have to actually single out female
• 39:17
  violence so that people can see it and highlight it, because if you don't,
• 39:22
  people don't acknowledge it. Yeah yeah, but uh yeah. So fifty
• 39:29
  seven point nine percent of the IPv reported was bi directional, which is approximately
• 39:34
  two thirds, approximately two out of three of the one in four relationships.
• 39:45
  So you know, that's that's that's not very many relationships to begin with.
• 39:51
  But then only one out of three of the one in four relationships, a
• 39:59
  third of a fourth of the relationship population is one way violence, so you
• 40:05
  understand, and two thirds of one fourth of the relationship population. The violence
• 40:13
  goes both ways doesn't say anything in this study about who initiates, but it
• 40:19
  does say that of the remaining forty two point one percent, and now it's
• 40:27
  it's dividing that forty two into two numbers. So thirteen point eight percent of
• 40:37
  all IPv was a male on female, twenty eight point three percent of all
• 40:47
  IPv was female only on male. And you'll notice twenty eight point three percent
• 40:54
  is more than double thirteen point eight percent, about seventy percent of the total
• 41:04
  one way IPv. And I did the math on this a while back to
• 41:09
  get to that, to get to that conclusion. So that's just a description
• 41:19
  of how much one way IPv is female perpetrated, or in other words,
• 41:24
  more than two thirds of vinement partner violence victims who don't use violence to fight
• 41:32
  back, who don't use violence to defend themselves are men. Among the two
• 41:39
  thirds are the ones that over two thirds are the ones that that perpetrate against
• 41:47
  somebody who doesn't defend themselves with violence or female two thirds plus of perpetrators,
• 42:00
  you know, against against a defenseless person or female. I'm looking at the
• 42:09
  chat, oh I see it's just when one guy going, well, we'll
• 42:15
  see you later to senior sticks. Hopefully you can come back and listen to
• 42:17
  the rest of this. Uh. But but yeah, So what we're looking
• 42:21
  at here is when it goes two ways or when it goes one way.
• 42:25
  I'm sorry, it's mostly female perpetrated. That should give you a clue about
• 42:32
  the two way violence, right, How much of the two way violence is
• 42:36
  probably defensive violence by guys. Feminists like to claim that most most two way
• 42:45
  violence is men assaulting their partners and uh, and then their partners defending themselves.
• 42:54
  But I don't I don't think that's the case, right, I mean,
• 42:58
  this doesn't sound like that's the case. Especially. I mean, and
• 43:07
  you know seveness will say, well, well, you know, who was
• 43:08
  the initiator in the bidirectional violent domestic violent situations? Who was the initiator?
• 43:16
  They'll always try, you know, to defend the women. But I mean,
• 43:22
  if if you look at just alone the number of women who initiate,
• 43:30
  why wouldn't you also correlate that or say that, or or have the expectation
• 43:36
  that there would be a higher percentage of women who also initiate in the bi
• 43:42
  directional violence, right? Right? So if we take and you know,
• 43:47
  but here's something that really fucking disturbs me because they all they love to say
• 43:53
  like emotional violence and uh, economic violence and all these other different types of
• 44:00
  violence that gets perpetrated against women. Well, do they think that it can't
• 44:07
  happen to men as well? That women can't do that to men? And
• 44:12
  is that also not a form of violence? And why is it discounted when
• 44:16
  it happens to men but highlighted when it happens to women. You know,
• 44:25
  when I think of violence, I think of physical things, right, so
• 44:29
  it's hard for me to use the term emotional violence. I think I think
• 44:34
  the term abuse is sufficient because abuse doesn't necessarily have to mean physical violence.
• 44:39
  It's abusive to be to bullieve someone verbally and emotionally too. It's abusive to
• 44:49
  cheat on someone. It's abusive to steal from someone. It's abusive to disrespect
• 44:55
  someone's personal property to the degree that you damage it or make it useless to
• 45:00
  them, and you know, create a situation where it's it's it's mistreated in
• 45:07
  a way like if you have somebody's somebody's mom's wedding ring or whatever that you
• 45:16
  know they value it very much, and maybe you make a video shoving it
• 45:21
  up your nose like and and and you do it because they would be upset
• 45:27
  about it specifically, and not because it's funny that that'd be abuse, right,
• 45:35
  but it's not violence and doing something ridiculous that would be funny and into
• 45:42
  any other circumstance. But your purpose for doing it is because you know it's
• 45:45
  going to make the other person suffer, like that's abuse, even if it's
• 45:51
  not violence. So I hate it when people substitute the word violence for the
• 45:55
  word abuse. It messes up the language, it obfuskates, and it makes
• 46:00
  it easy for people to say, well, it's not the same when this
• 46:04
  group does it as it is when that group doesn't, because when we're saying
• 46:07
  violence, well, this group's bigger and stronger, and therefore all forms of
• 46:12
  violence are worse when they engage in them. But if you isolate someone from
• 46:16
  their friends and family, for instance, whether you do it by physically barring
• 46:22
  them from leaving the house or by becoming the kind of person that they won't
• 46:27
  come around, by alienating them so much that your partner can't engage with them
• 46:32
  anymore and can't reach out to them anymore. It's still the same abuse.
• 46:37
  It's still abuse, even if one thing actually involves physical restraint and violence and
• 46:45
  the other is being an asshole on purpose to create that result. So without
• 46:55
  being violent, you can even be abusive without being aggressive. I was about
• 46:59
  to say aggressive is a good word to use instead of violence, but yeah,
• 47:04
  oh yeah, it can. It can even be abusive without being aggressive.
• 47:07
  You can sort of mother someone today. It's the devouring mother trope,
• 47:13
  and it can just as easily be the devouring spouse. I suppose a lot
• 47:21
  of abusers don't know they're being abusive. They think they have the best of
• 47:24
  intentions, but they're just they're very possessive. And again, possessive isn't the
• 47:30
  same as aggressive. It's just a mode of interacting with someone that takes advantage
• 47:37
  of them in ways that you can do unconsciously. And yes, that's bidirectional
• 47:45
  as well. But it can get overlooked in one direction where it wouldn't get
• 47:51
  overlooked in another, and people people might not even get it. And it's
• 47:54
  like we all expect parents to do certain things for their kids, right,
• 48:00
  well, the the functional mother, let's say your life tools would equate them
• 48:08
  with a hammer. Right, Your child needs a hammer for life, for
• 48:15
  to solve his life problems. The hammer is going to nail every problem in
• 48:20
  existence. Right. The the functional mother helps the child make his own hammer
• 48:27
  when he's growing up, and make it a good, strong hammer that he
• 48:34
  is highly equipped to use and has great understanding of its function and its features,
• 48:39
  and is comfortable deciding when and how to use it and uh, and
• 48:45
  then says, all right, if you need me, I'm here. And
• 48:51
  that's as the child gets older then and becomes an adult, the child can
• 48:57
  take that hammer out into life with him and every time he's got a problem
• 49:01
  to nail, he's got that hammer. And you know, if he needs
• 49:05
  mom, then he can call mom and ask questions. But Mom doesn't interfere
• 49:13
  with his choice because he's an adult then and he's got freedom. But the
• 49:16
  devouring mom makes a hammer in her own image for the kid, this is
• 49:25
  the hammer you're gonna use, and then won't let go of it or the
• 49:30
  kid and decides for the kid, this is this is the problem. We're
• 49:37
  gonna hammer this, this is this is what we're gonna nail, and so
• 49:39
  on, to the detriment of the kid's freedom. Relationships, ability to make
• 49:46
  any decisions for himself, a sense of self like and and and sense of
• 49:53
  confidence. And it doesn't feel like abuse to her when she's doing it.
• 50:00
  She's just trying to control for every possible thing that could go wrong, that
• 50:04
  could get in and hurt her baby. But she doesn't realized that she's the
• 50:10
  one making it so that when she's gone, he's never going to be able
• 50:15
  to figure out how all of his life. He's not going to have the
• 50:19
  connections with other people that he's going to need. He's not going to you
• 50:23
  know, understand anything about his own character, his skills, his strengths,
• 50:30
  his weaknesses, what he needs to protect, what he needs to emphasize,
• 50:34
  what tools he can use, you know, maybe maybe he prefers a drill
• 50:40
  like maybe you know, and so on. So you have this situation where
• 50:47
  she basically kills his ability to become a fully functioning adult and you know,
• 50:55
  and doesn't realize that that's abusive. And you know something, I think that
• 51:00
  is not a new phenomenon. I think that's that's something that's definitely been accelerated.
• 51:08
  I don't think that's a brand new concept. Oh, you know,
• 51:13
  I think ever since mothers have been having children, they've been learning how to
• 51:19
  manipulate them and manipulate their situations around them. Well, you have more time
• 51:24
  on their hands and less control maybe over their own impulses in their own lives.
• 51:32
  Are more likely to behave this way, like the women that I've seen
• 51:37
  among my friends and family that have behaved this way toward and it's it's often
• 51:42
  it's more often towards sons. There are other types of abuse that are more
• 51:46
  often toward daughters, but that that devouring mother behavior seems to It's obviously it
• 51:57
  stems from insecurity, but it also seems to stem from the woman not having
• 52:04
  enough other things to occupy her and the focus of her life becomes her son.
• 52:09
  You know, don't get me wrong, it's great to be the mother
• 52:13
  of a son and enjoy having a mother son relationship and be proud of your
• 52:19
  son and all that, all those great things that you have with parenting,
• 52:23
  But your son shouldn't be the focus of your life. He's got a whole
• 52:29
  life of his own to focus on. He doesn't he have time to make
• 52:31
  mom the focus of his life. You know, you're gonna be an empty
• 52:36
  nester and they're there are good things about that. There's some really good things
• 52:39
  about that. But but yeah, there seems to be this women don't have
• 52:46
  a I don't know if they don't build a sense of their own visuality or
• 52:50
  whatever. But from the devouring moms that I've met from among that group,
• 52:57
  I don't think I can pick out a single one that had a full time
• 53:01
  job for instance. Ever, So like, make out of that what you
• 53:08
  will. It's not a study. It's just an observation. It's not set
• 53:14
  in stone, you know, and so on. But yeah, so abuse
• 53:16
  doesn't necessarily engage in violence. It can be as subtle as are you sure
• 53:24
  that you want to go out with that girl again? I think she's probably
• 53:29
  got some kind of an STD when you're talking about a girl that you know
• 53:32
  nothing about, and your reason is because you're afraid he really likes her and
• 53:37
  he might not pay enough attention to you anymore. So let's see, going
• 53:45
  back to the other one that I wanted to talk about that Flood didn't address.
• 53:52
  That we talk about all the time is differences in frequency of violence and
• 53:59
  reported injury between relationships with reciprocal and non reciprocal intimate partner violence. That's the
• 54:05
  other one. I was trying to think of reciprocal and non reciprocal. So
• 54:07
  reciprocal is obviously two people hitting each other. Non reciprocal is when one person
• 54:13
  hits and the other person doesn't hit back. And there's there's a couple of
• 54:16
  spots in this. I'm just highlighting. We're not getting over the whole study
• 54:20
  any of these. This one was there. It is eighteen seven hundred and
• 54:28
  sixty one heterosexual relationships, eleven thousand, three hundred and seventy respondents, so
• 54:34
  some of these respondents talked about multiple relationships. This is US adults aged eighteen
• 54:39
  to twenty eight, so the age of kids graduating from high school and going
• 54:45
  to college, graduating from college, getting jobs, being newlyweds having kids,
• 54:50
  so up into marital age. And in this one, I'm almost twenty four
• 54:57
  percent had some violence. When I mentioned sixteen percent before, that's not one
• 55:05
  and four. That's like one in six because twenty five percent would be one
• 55:13
  and four. My brain is not working tonight, I know, ken math
• 55:17
  tonight has the dumb. But about about half were reciprocal in this study,
• 55:25
  so it was a different number of reciprocal violent cases in this study versus the
• 55:31
  other study, but interestingly, in non reciprocally violent relationships, again women were
• 55:39
  the perpetrators in more than seventy percent of cases. So in both studies that
• 55:45
  we just looked at, when when we're talking about one person being violent in
• 55:50
  the other person not retaliating in any way, that was mostly female perpetrated.
• 55:58
  The other thing about this that stood out to me was reciprocity, meaning two
• 56:05
  way violence was associated with more frequent violence among women but not men. So
• 56:12
  when it was two way violence, women were violent more frequently, but men
• 56:15
  were not. And when it was one way violence, women were violent more
• 56:21
  frequently but men were not, So it indicates a higher level of perpetration among
• 56:25
  women. Feminists will look at this study and they'll highlight the fact that women
• 56:30
  are more likely to be injured. But the type of violence reciprocal that was
• 56:43
  associated with more frequent violence in women but not men, was the violence that
• 56:49
  was associated with greater injury. So you're looking at a situation where women are
• 56:55
  engaging in more frequent violence and then they're getting hurt. You know, when
• 57:04
  we talk about when we talk about domestic violence and we talk about how men
• 57:12
  and women get injured, Feminists like to ignore all of the data on men's
• 57:19
  experience of injury, ignore all of the data on female perpetration, ignore all
• 57:23
  of the data on men's help seeking experiences where they can't get the system to
• 57:30
  work with them if they are the victim of partner violence, and hone in
• 57:36
  on well. When men are violent, they're more dangerous because they're more likely
• 57:38
  to cause injury. Here's the problem with that. When you engage in violence
• 57:47
  against another person, there is a limit to how much violence you can inflict
• 57:53
  on someone before their sense of fight or flight overwhelms their impulse control. At
• 58:02
  some point, their impulse control fails, the switches flipped, and the individual
• 58:09
  retaliates, even if it goes against their morals, even if it goes against
• 58:15
  their sense of ethics, even if they feel bad about it, even if
• 58:20
  they love you and care about you and are protective toward you. And a
• 58:27
  lot of women don't understand this, but there's a huge difference in how you
• 58:32
  engage in violence when you're approaching someone with a goal of hurting them and engaging
• 58:40
  in violence versus when the violence happens out of your control because your self control
• 58:47
  has been overwhelmed by your instincts. You know, if I'm in a fight
• 58:54
  with someone and I'm like, I'm gonna stop this fight. I'm gonna hit
• 58:58
  this person and stop this fight. I might target to cause pain or fear
• 59:02
  or temporarily disable, but it's targeted. I know what I'm doing, and
• 59:08
  I have control over how hard I'm hitting, how much force I'm using,
• 59:15
  because my impulses are not overriding my impulse control. But if I'm in a
• 59:24
  situation where that's gone, fight or flight has taken over and I am no
• 59:30
  longer guiding my actions by my intent and they're happening out of my control and
• 59:38
  I'm flailing, I can cause injury that I completely would never choose to cause.
• 59:45
  Right That's when That's when you see situations where somebody shoves a person after
• 59:52
  an adrenaline burst, and maybe they just intended to get that person away from
• 59:58
  them, but instead they shove them completely off the sidewalk and out into traffic,
• 1:00:05
  or through the wall or down the stairs, and next thing you know,
• 1:00:09
  you hear about, well, he pushed me down the stairs or threw
• 1:00:13
  me down the stairs, and I broke two bones. And it sounds like
• 1:00:20
  she's a victim, But she doesn't tell you that actually he was trying to
• 1:00:24
  push her away from him while she was trying to burn him in the face
• 1:00:30
  with her curling iron. So you end up in a situation where her violence
• 1:00:38
  leads to her injury, and feminists will respond to this with so she deserves
• 1:00:46
  a beat down for being violent, Like, No, that's not the argument.
• 1:00:52
  The argument is that you don't push someone past their limits. That you
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  need both parties in a relationship to be non violent in order for conflict and
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  not result in injury, in order for people to be able to resolve their
• 1:01:12
  conflict in a way that makes both partners comfortable at least if not happy,
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  and doesn't cause anybody an injury. But of course feminists won't talk about that,
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  right No, And what they do is they go darva. This is
• 1:01:30
  what they do, reverse the victim and offender. You know, Oh,
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  I got hurt, but I didn't have anything to do with it. I'm
• 1:01:39
  just a woman. He's the man. He was violent towards me. Well,
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  you know, it's just insane what they are allowed to get away with
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  just because they don't want to offend women. You know what I mean,
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  You can't, you cannot blame women for anything. It's never their fault.
• 1:02:10
  Yeah, yeah, it's never their fault, and it's just got it.
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  So this is a lot of relationships. I think, I think you I
• 1:02:23
  think I heard a different number that you said, But this is eighteen or
• 1:02:28
  eighteen thousand relationships. That's a lot. Yep, good lord. You know
• 1:02:39
  what my mind goes to is, you know, because we always look at
• 1:02:45
  these numbers and these percentages of society, and well, how many women do
• 1:02:52
  we know that are walking around with undiagnosed mental illnesses? Yep, you know,
• 1:02:58
  and let's let's overlap that with what's happening here if we can, you
• 1:03:02
  know. And then even the ones that are, who's to say that they're
• 1:03:07
  actually taking their medication as prescribed? You know, I don't know. I'm
• 1:03:12
  just going off on its engine here, But well, there's actually a really
• 1:03:15
  important point in regard to that. One of the things that Aaron Pitsy figured
• 1:03:21
  out early on in her involvement with domestic violence research was a lot of people
• 1:03:29
  who engage in domestic violence in their relationships grew up in homes where domestic violence
• 1:03:35
  occurred. So one of the things I've had to learn about as a direct
• 1:03:39
  support professional for intellectually disabled adults is a type of PTSD called complex PTSD.
• 1:03:47
  Complex PTSD happens in circumstances where, rather than being in something like a combat
• 1:03:57
  zone, you're in an abusive environment or abusive and violent environment, where there's
• 1:04:04
  a constant low grade of insecurity within the relationships and within the household that isn't
• 1:04:15
  life threatening. It's maybe self image threatening, confidence threatening, security threatening,
• 1:04:28
  you know that kind of thing. Maybe you're dealing with sexual violence that the
• 1:04:34
  violence end of it is less dramatic and the emotional abuse side of it is
• 1:04:41
  more dramatic. Those kind of things. And so the individual shows symptoms of
• 1:04:47
  PTSD, they will have flashbacks, they will have hyper alertness under certain circumstances,
• 1:04:56
  they will have adaptive behavior that are maybe dysfunctional in some ways. And
• 1:05:04
  people in their everyday lives can have symptoms of that are similar to, but
• 1:05:12
  not necessarily evidentiary of complex PTSD. Like I don't like to back up in
• 1:05:17
  a vehicle. Ever, I prefer if I'm going to back up, I
• 1:05:21
  like to back into a location where there's unlikely to be a chance that another
• 1:05:28
  vehicle is going to come up behind me. While I'm backing up and I
• 1:05:30
  miss that they've approached, so I'll back into a parking space to avoid having
• 1:05:34
  to back out, even if it's difficult. I'll walk three times as far
• 1:05:41
  in the parking lot to the grocery store to use a parking space that I
• 1:05:45
  can pull through one into another and then not have to back out because of
• 1:05:50
  how many times I've been a passenger in somebody else's car when they've been rear
• 1:05:56
  ended, to the degree that my local friends joke that I've got a magnet
• 1:06:00
  in my ass, probably what caused the mutations on the motherfucker gene. But
• 1:06:09
  yeah, you know that's that if I had a whole shitload of symptoms like
• 1:06:15
  that, they might turn around and say, well, is any of this
• 1:06:17
  connected? Because I did see my mother almost die in a car accident when
• 1:06:23
  I was ten. I was in the car, I just didn't get hurt.
• 1:06:28
  And when I got older, I had this realization one day that the
• 1:06:31
  reason I didn't die in that accident is because I had more or not morning
• 1:06:35
  sickness, but motion sickness. No, I did not have morning sickness at
• 1:06:39
  ten. Feminists do not quote mine, fuck you, but I had motion
• 1:06:45
  sickness. So I was laying on my left side with my head behind the
• 1:06:47
  driver, and not on my right side with my head behind the passenger,
• 1:06:53
  and so I was not up against the door that got hit. And it's
• 1:06:58
  possible, right, somebody could coat go through and say, well, all
• 1:07:00
  these things you can dux, But it's not comparable to what I've witnessed with
• 1:07:05
  people who have lived in environments where their needs were consistently not met or there.
• 1:07:15
  And I mean not just the lower food, water, clothing, and
• 1:07:20
  stuff like that, but maybe they lived in an environment where they were treated
• 1:07:25
  as an inconvenience and nothing else, not part of the family, not somebody
• 1:07:30
  to engage with. People didn't talk to them. They were manipulated physic as
• 1:07:35
  a physical object, you know, clothes put on them and taken off them
• 1:07:39
  like a doll, but not treated as a human being with wants and needs
• 1:07:45
  and social wants and needs that can lead to it. Right, So,
• 1:07:53
  there are a variety of things that can happen that can cause sets of symptoms.
• 1:08:00
  There's another thing that can can occur. You know, an individual who's
• 1:08:03
  been raised in a violent environment, who's been hit in ahead a bunch of
• 1:08:06
  times, can have post concussion syndrome, and post concussion syndrome can cause difficulties
• 1:08:15
  dealing with conflict in particular, and difficulties in in a cooperative environment like a
• 1:08:23
  relationship. So you get somebody who has an abusive personality, maybe they're raised
• 1:08:28
  and they were also raised in an abusive environment, violent environment, and they
• 1:08:32
  get into a relationship with somebody who has complex PTSD from an abusive like a
• 1:08:41
  repeated prolonged situation of abuse, a a situation where they they've they've grown up
• 1:08:47
  in that environment and they can anticipate and they learn to change their behavior in
• 1:08:56
  order to avoid the types of explosions that happen in those those abusive environments.
• 1:09:04
  It it it creates a predisposition for that individual to be victimized by the individual
• 1:09:14
  that's abusing them, and it creates a predisposition for both parties patterns of behavior
• 1:09:24
  that they brought with them from their abusive environment, violent environments to happen in
• 1:09:29
  their relationship. And that's pretty much how cyclical violence happens. You're more likely
• 1:09:36
  to connect up with somebody who's been raised in an environment like that, and
• 1:09:44
  I can I'm not gonna disclose a lot but I within my extended family,
• 1:09:51
  I've observed those patterns, and interestingly, there's two ways that can go.
• 1:09:59
  I've seen partners put solid effort into breaking the cycle and learning everything they can
• 1:10:09
  about the dysfunction within the cycle and how to not continue it. And then
• 1:10:15
  I've also seen people go the opposite direction, and that you know, the
• 1:10:20
  next generation, in the next, and the next, until somebody's completely dysfunctional.
• 1:10:29
  You know, somebody's daughter or granddaughter or son or grandson is completely dysfunctional
• 1:10:33
  and commits a crime and gets killed in the process or dies seizing on the
• 1:10:39
  sidewalk with a needle in their arm. So these are things that that when
• 1:10:45
  you look at this and we talk about mom and dad both being violent,
• 1:10:53
  husband and wife both being violent, boyfriend and girlfriend both being violent. The
• 1:10:57
  reason that's important is because when you don't have a solid rock in a family
• 1:11:04
  who is nonviolent, when you don't have somebody who is the example of what
• 1:11:10
  not to or what to do instead of doing what the people that are the
• 1:11:15
  example of what not to do are doing, it's very difficult for individuals to
• 1:11:20
  break that cycle. And you get the next cycle and the next, and
• 1:11:24
  it gets worse every generation until somebody is just completely broken and can't survive.
• 1:11:31
  So it does have to be addressed and it does have to be dealt with,
• 1:11:36
  I know, if that makes sense. But because of that, you're
• 1:11:43
  going to see relationships where and it most times it will be if you see
• 1:11:48
  in research, it'll be a majority. If people who have grown up in
• 1:11:54
  abusive and violent environments have more of a tendency to connect with each other based
• 1:12:00
  on their experiences and recognizing each other's patterns of behavior and stuff, then you're
• 1:12:06
  also going to see the ones who continue the pattern of violence are going to
• 1:12:11
  be attracted to the ones who are going to reciprocate it, if that makes
• 1:12:16
  sense. And in particular, women who continue the pattern of provocative violence are
• 1:12:27
  going to be attracted to men who continue the pattern of reactive violence and vice
• 1:12:33
  versa. And does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely, And so you
• 1:12:44
  would see, like with this the discussion about greater injury with reciprocal violence than
• 1:12:51
  non reciprocal violence, because that pattern puts you totally out of control. Far
• 1:13:00
  they're down in here. Let's see if I can find. Yeah, one
• 1:13:05
  of the things cited in his study, a recent meta analysis found that a
• 1:13:12
  woman's perpetration of violence was the strongest predictor for her being a victim of partner
• 1:13:17
  violence. In other words, while feminists like to demonize men as violent abusers
• 1:13:30
  that use their violence to control women's overall behavior, to dominate and so on,
• 1:13:41
  the reality is that is circumstances where women are reporting abuse, their report
• 1:13:53
  of abuse is actually, he hit me back. That's their defense. Yeah,
• 1:14:05
  that's that's there. That's their complaint, he hit me back, Yeah,
• 1:14:13
  and that and they expect in arrest MH. So. And now there
• 1:14:24
  have been feminist claims that when women engage in reciprocal violence it's always self defense.
• 1:14:30
  But and there's also relationships where both sexes are just violent. And there's
• 1:14:39
  also so not all acts of reciprocal violence between men and women are self defense
• 1:14:45
  by the man or self defense by the women. Some of them are just
• 1:14:49
  And this is the seven years in hell case. The second relationship that the
• 1:14:55
  perpetrator was in with the guy that was the reason why the victim got custody
• 1:15:02
  of the child that she was then making false accusations in order to get back
• 1:15:09
  so husband number two. She and husband number two used to just beat the
• 1:15:15
  hell out of each other and that was sort of their pastime, and it
• 1:15:20
  wasn't she hit him and hit her back. She initiated more often, but
• 1:15:29
  they beat on each other. So if he was mad, he would hit,
• 1:15:33
  if she was mad, she would hit. And that was their relationship.
• 1:15:38
  I don't understand it, but that was their relationship. The local domestic
• 1:15:44
  violence victim's advocacy organization that was supporting her, however, characterized it as she
• 1:15:54
  is a person who fights back, and so when she is a victim of
• 1:16:00
  violence, her defense kicks in, or when she anticipates violence, her defense
• 1:16:08
  kicks in and she initiates. And that was that was We hear that all
• 1:16:13
  the time for feminists, the claim that when a woman initiates violence, she's
• 1:16:17
  actually engaging in quote unquote preemptive self defense against his violence. That's so ridiculous.
• 1:16:25
  That's absolutely ridiculous. Imagine imagine a man trying to use that kind of
• 1:16:32
  line of defense. Oh well, I thought she was gonna hit me,
• 1:16:38
  so I just smacked a bitch across the face. Yeah. Yeah, No
• 1:16:45
  man would ever get away with that. It would be grounds for his arrest
• 1:16:48
  by itself. But it's it's it's the main impetus behind this this whole feminist
• 1:16:58
  idea that the women's violence doesn't count against men. Alison was talking about this
• 1:17:03
  in in her epic Twitter thread today that this was a feminist response to the
• 1:17:14
  findings that domestic violence is it goes both ways, and so they had to
• 1:17:23
  scramble for an excuse for why women do do domestic violence on men, so
• 1:17:30
  that they so they had a further excuse to only arrest the men. This
• 1:17:35
  is what led to the Duluth model that and that has been rolled out across
• 1:17:40
  the rest of the States and across the rest of the world. And it's
• 1:17:43
  been that way ever since. It's been accepts as an academic truth ever since.
• 1:17:49
  It can't be bi directional because men just men deserve to be beaten or
• 1:17:57
  or well can normically or psychologically violenced against, or whatever it is. But
• 1:18:02
  of course we don't call it that man, We don't call that anything.
• 1:18:08
  It's just I'm gonna go ahead and call it making men uncomfortable. Would you
• 1:18:14
  believe that some women enjoy making men uncomfortably? I'm referring to this new Star
• 1:18:21
  Wars cunt who's making he's making the rounds today. Yeah, you'll you'll discover
• 1:18:29
  that in due course. We'll probably talk about it next week on the new
• 1:18:31
  shows. Probably. I haven't actually kept up with Star Wars since Disney destroyed
• 1:18:40
  it. Oh, we're entering the next phase of feminists destroying Disney, and
• 1:18:50
  yeah, in all manner of things that I'm going to go ahead and call
• 1:18:54
  violence entertainment violence. There we go. Now, it's it's really amazing when
• 1:19:02
  you look at how they did this, and I've seen it. I don't
• 1:19:06
  have it on hand, but I've seen a paper that was written by a
• 1:19:12
  feminist academic and company where they came up with the formula for calling female violence
• 1:19:20
  defensive when it's aggressive aggressive. So they they characterized it in a way where
• 1:19:30
  they said the same thing was defense against inappropriate treatment when the treatment was coming
• 1:19:43
  from a man and a woman was violent, but it's not defense against its
• 1:19:47
  aggressive and controlling when the treatment the same treatment was coming from a woman and
• 1:19:51
  a man was violent. And the example was things like they would say a
• 1:20:00
  man a man might be violent to control a woman's behavior to to get the
• 1:20:06
  preferred behavior out of her. But then a woman might be violent because she's
• 1:20:11
  feeling disrespected, which is when you boil it down violence to control another person's
• 1:20:20
  behavior to get the preferred behavior out of them. Yeah, like I feel
• 1:20:28
  violated every I feel violated every time I open my paycheck and the government decides
• 1:20:32
  to take their cut. Yeah, yeah, what they what they have decided
• 1:20:39
  is their cut without your ape. Right is violence because it's enforced at the
• 1:20:45
  tip of the gun as and when you don't pay up, it's it's Yeah.
• 1:20:48
  I want to line item veto tax form where you get to tick off
• 1:20:54
  the boxes like Okay, yes, i'll help pay for this, I'll help
• 1:20:57
  pay for that, but if you don't, it doesn't get funded. Yeah,
• 1:21:01
  I see what, see what happens. I bet the size of the
• 1:21:04
  government would shrink real fast. Absolutely. Couldn't that be nice? Yeah,
• 1:21:14
  that'll ever happen. But yeah, like being excusing female violence because the partner
• 1:21:23
  disrespected her, like maybe he said something inappropriate. I've gone through and actually
• 1:21:30
  made a scenario up to explain why that's terrible. A right. It's disrespectful
• 1:21:39
  to approach a stranger in the street and say something denigrating and sexually explicit,
• 1:21:46
  maybe about their genitalia, right, maybe about their relationship, maybe about their
• 1:21:53
  disease status, whatever. But if a woman does it to a man,
• 1:21:59
  people think it's funny. If a man does it to a woman, it's
• 1:22:02
  a slap worthy offense. And this is ridiculous because you don't have the right
• 1:22:10
  to respect. I mean, I'm sorry, your actions are out for on
• 1:22:17
  public display, for the court of public opinion to make a decision about you.
• 1:22:24
  And you know, respect is earned. I keep, you know,
• 1:22:29
  I keep saying it. I keep feeling like I have to remind people of
• 1:22:32
  this. You know, you don't just get respect because you're old or your
• 1:22:41
  you know, your skin is this shade or whatever you identify as whatever,
• 1:22:46
  you don't deserve respect. Respect is something that you earned by showing the same
• 1:22:53
  to other people, right, you know, and by respecting yourself. I
• 1:22:59
  don't respect someone who doesn't respect themselves. Like there's obviously, you know,
• 1:23:04
  people use the word respect to mean different things. Feminists particular, women in
• 1:23:10
  particular don't don't really understand what it means. But for instance, my friends
• 1:23:17
  and I growing up, when when we were in our neighborhood, I knew
• 1:23:24
  that I knew which girls were stronger than me and didn't use that against me.
• 1:23:31
  And I knew which girls were weaker than me, and I didn't use
• 1:23:35
  it against them, and there was a respect for that behavior that this person
• 1:23:44
  is being gentle with me, I won't provoke, right, and that's a
• 1:23:49
  form of respect. And then there's also I knew if somebody stole my stuff.
• 1:23:59
  I knew at least one or two people that there was just no way
• 1:24:02
  I was going to accuse them. And I have respect for them based on
• 1:24:09
  the integrity that they displayed. That told me without me having to ever have
• 1:24:15
  any doubts, you know, well, it's not that person. You know
• 1:24:18
  that person didn't do it right. And there are things like that. And
• 1:24:25
  then there's also somebody in a position of authority, or somebody with a greater
• 1:24:30
  capability than you in a particular area, or you know, things like that,
• 1:24:34
  And then there's basic human decency, which isn't those types of respect.
• 1:24:41
  It's not veneration, it's not consider it's consideration. It's not consideration for a
• 1:24:48
  quality that is unique to that individual. It's consideration for the individual's experiences that
• 1:24:57
  you might inflict. Basically, it's a sense of accountability. And a lot
• 1:25:02
  of times women use the word respect when they mean a combination of veneration and
• 1:25:11
  accountability for causing experiences, and that you're more accountable for the experiences you cause
• 1:25:19
  them because they're female and they should be on that pedestal. You should venerate
• 1:25:26
  them. That's their belief. And so when I say women don't understand respect,
• 1:25:30
  that's basically what I'm talking about. And women don't even uphold the social
• 1:25:38
  contract that men and women used to have, under which it was presumed that
• 1:25:42
  women deserved that veneration. I don't think women ever did. I don't think
• 1:25:45
  either sex ever did. But women got it, and then they didn't want
• 1:25:53
  to uphold their into the deal, right, So it's fair to say,
• 1:25:57
  but they didn't have to. Didn't have to once they got it, you
• 1:26:01
  know. And and I think that what I think a big proponent of that
• 1:26:06
  was this, you know, the the the mother, you know, the
• 1:26:12
  the un I can't think of the word, but you know, once the
• 1:26:19
  mother became like this unquestionable being right, you had to we all had to
• 1:26:27
  just venerate the mother. That's really when it just kind of took hold because
• 1:26:36
  once they had that, once women had that ability to pull that card,
• 1:26:42
  oh forget it, you know, and now nothing they can do or nothing
• 1:26:47
  that they do can be held against them. I'm a mother. You can't
• 1:26:51
  talk about me. Yeah. Oh, and the single single motherhood thing,
• 1:26:56
  we do it all, We do both of them, don't you know?
• 1:27:00
  Even knowing you don't even fully do the mother's job. You don't even do
• 1:27:03
  a partner to raise your child with. And you couldn't even do that.
• 1:27:06
  You don't even do half of the job, of the half of the job
• 1:27:10
  that you should be doing, okay, because you're out here trying to figure
• 1:27:15
  out how to uphold the other half of the half. Yeah, you know
• 1:27:19
  it. Oh, no, I do it at all. I do everything.
• 1:27:23
  No, you you listen, you work hard, okay. Granted,
• 1:27:27
  I'll give you the album, will give you that, even the one.
• 1:27:31
  How many you if you get it a mail that didn't come from a job
• 1:27:34
  that you do? Thank you's the question? Thank you? Thank you?
• 1:27:41
  None, right room, not a one, that's right, Not a one,
• 1:27:49
  not a one. But you know, and again, our our family
• 1:27:58
  court system has allowed this to happen. Again. It's just women get the
• 1:28:03
  rewards while men go through the fucking war and yeah, put their lives on
• 1:28:14
  the lines for this ship. Just to make sure that you know, women
• 1:28:17
  are okay, because they they got you know, they got their arm was
• 1:28:23
  bruised after they fucking try to throw a left hook at at their their the
• 1:28:29
  guy that they love and chose to have a kid with. You know what
• 1:28:34
  I mean, It just it just it's it's it's heartbreaking for a lot of
• 1:28:42
  reasons, not the least of which is, you know, there's there's a
• 1:28:47
  devouring mother, and then there's the I don't know what to call this one,
• 1:28:51
  the blob mother. She writes her life over your life and she erases
• 1:28:57
  you. But she's not doing it because she's worried that bad things are going
• 1:29:02
  to happen to you, and her only way to control it is to control
• 1:29:05
  every aspect of your life. It's because you are the the accessory to her
• 1:29:14
  ego. Her kids are her purse puppies, or her kids are her badge
• 1:29:19
  of honor, her shield from accountability, her sign of having some sort of
• 1:29:29
  meaning in the world. Whoops, Can you guys hear me? Yeah,
• 1:29:32
  okay, I just stepped on my cord for my headset and I was afraid
• 1:29:36
  I broke it. Their kids are their sex trophies. Oh god, that's
• 1:29:42
  that's awful. But that's what I don't want anybody thinking of my kids and
• 1:29:46
  sex and the same thought. I don't want to think of that. I
• 1:29:54
  mean, I mean and their adults. I know they're going to go do
• 1:29:56
  their thing. I don't need to think about that either. But but yeah,
• 1:30:00
  anyway, just like you don't want to think about your parents doing it.
• 1:30:03
  You don't want to you don't want to get either. A man,
• 1:30:08
  I have a friend who has a His daughter is a young woman. He's
• 1:30:14
  over twenty one right, which is crazy to me because I've met him when
• 1:30:18
  she was like seven. Anyway, she's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful young girl.
• 1:30:27
  And he's like, oh yeah, she sent me a picture of her
• 1:30:29
  with her boyfriend, and I was like, you know, they're doing it
• 1:30:31
  right, that's not no parent want to do that. I'm I'm glad that
• 1:30:40
  all three of my kids found partners that they that make them happy and that
• 1:30:45
  they enjoy making happy. They're happy, and that's that's what matters, right,
• 1:30:51
  that they're happy and they have happy families and they're enjoying their lives and
• 1:30:56
  they're doing what they want to do and not you know, dealing with pain
• 1:31:02
  and suffering that comes from horrible dysfunction or anything like that. That's that's that's
• 1:31:08
  what I wanted for them, and that's the tool I gave them, the
• 1:31:11
  best tools I could to to make that happen for themselves and be able to,
• 1:31:15
  you know, set their goals. We want to do these things,
• 1:31:18
  and this is how we're gonna do them, and and then then go out
• 1:31:21
  and do and that's basically parenting. That's what you do. But yeah,
• 1:31:28
  you see a lot of single moms. It's it's more like they'll put their
• 1:31:32
  child's picture on their their social media. I don't have any money for his
• 1:31:38
  Christmas presents this year, and they got a pair of six foot long eyelashes
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  coming off of their face that they're like, how much did you pay for
• 1:31:45
  those? Exactly? And that and that's the difference between women that want to
• 1:31:50
  be parents and women that just get pregnant and have kids. Yeah, well,
• 1:31:56
  you know, give money for your kids Christmas, but you have money.
• 1:32:00
  Were fifteen shades of lipstick and and that suction device you used to make
• 1:32:06
  it look like somebody was trying to turn you into a duck. Well,
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  or somebody beat you up. That's that's a whole other conversation. But you
• 1:32:21
  know, that's what social media has done. You know, the go fund
• 1:32:28
  me era. You know, shit, go fund me is kind of like
• 1:32:33
  old school. They don't even well, I mean, yeah, of course
• 1:32:36
  people still use that, but like, no, it's just people use social
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  media for attention. That's what it is. It is that dopamine hit.
• 1:32:46
  You knowing is a lot of these women in the nineties instead of go fund
• 1:32:55
  me online, it was just go fucking man, right, and then he
• 1:33:00
  buys or things. And now they just stick their their tits in the camera
• 1:33:02
  and oh look I got money, you know, those exact like I don't
• 1:33:08
  know, I've always I've always liked getting paycheck from a job. I mean,
• 1:33:13
  I'm amazed at the sheer number of like I mean, you know,
• 1:33:19
  porn actresses. They've been around for for freaking decades by now like that.
• 1:33:27
  But you know, this new era of the online onlyfan girl. Yeah,
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  I can't believe how many of them there are, you know, and I'm
• 1:33:38
  a single mom and I can't make ends meet. Oh you just push your
• 1:33:43
  tits up in the camera and there you go. You sell your body for
• 1:33:46
  five or ten dollars a month. And you know, some of these girls
• 1:33:50
  are making good livings, really good livings, which says a whole lot about
• 1:33:55
  society and some of the men people, people who are willing to pay for
• 1:34:00
  this kind of content. I don't know, it's it's it's well, and
• 1:34:08
  I'll be honest, I don't mind nudity. I don't mind the existence of
• 1:34:11
  points. Yeah, It's what really bothers me is that every girl expects to
• 1:34:17
  be a star, every girl expects to handle it, and also every girl
• 1:34:21
  expects to be treated exactly the same way and thought of exactly the same way.
• 1:34:29
  That is, as a non sexual person ninety percent of the time,
• 1:34:33
  when what the people who know them know about them primarily is their sexual presentation
• 1:34:44
  is old school porn stars were their persona with sensuality and they they cultivated it
• 1:34:54
  and they enjoyed it. And not just porn stars, also movie stars,
• 1:35:00
  you know, the blonde bombshells like May West's whole stick was her sexuality.
• 1:35:06
  And it's not for everybody. It's not evil or shameful or nasty. When
• 1:35:14
  it is the relationship that you have with the world necessarily, but it's you
• 1:35:23
  have to be prepared for the fact that if you're going to embark on that
• 1:35:26
  relationship with the world, that that's the relationship you're telling the world that you
• 1:35:30
  want and you should be prepared to enjoy that relationship and not demand that when
• 1:35:39
  they're paying you for that relationship, you get that relationship, and then the
• 1:35:45
  rest of the time you get treated like you're a nun or you know.
• 1:35:53
  It's just today we have women who are trying to capitalize on their self sexuality
• 1:36:00
  the way may West capitalized on her sexuality. But then they turn around and
• 1:36:04
  complain about being sexualized. Well, who the fact did that? Who's that
• 1:36:12
  was your lady, You took a paycheck for your sexuality, for having a
• 1:36:18
  relationship with the world. That was my relationship with the world. Is I'm
• 1:36:23
  hot and you want me and look at my tits and I'm gonna shake my
• 1:36:30
  shoulders and you can see everything underneath jiggle, and that's It's not bad that
• 1:36:35
  you have that relationship. It's bad that you're condemning people for expecting that relationship
• 1:36:41
  that you said you wanted. Right, But yeah, so you like it's
• 1:36:51
  just because every time gets turned around, there's no you can't look anywhere without
• 1:36:59
  finding some of these chicks. But they're everywhere. I showed the girl my
• 1:37:04
  ass, and now everybody talks about my ass. I don't understand why I
• 1:37:11
  don't. And again, I think the a part of this has to do
• 1:37:16
  with the short attention span of the Internet, because a lot of these people
• 1:37:20
  are on TikTok, and you know everything is now just the YouTube short.
• 1:37:26
  These people have short attention spans, you know. But so you know,
• 1:37:31
  there's there's a lot of them in a lot of short little clips, and
• 1:37:36
  it's like, I don't I don't know, it's just amplified among these young
• 1:37:43
  women that this is what it is because everybody, everybody, Oh god,
• 1:37:49
  yeah, Like, isn't the the the uh whatever podcast? Isn't that that's
• 1:37:57
  all like OnlyFans chicks? Oh god, right, I know I would I
• 1:38:01
  would not want to listen to that. I've never have besides, like you
• 1:38:06
  know, the highlighted viral videos that happen every now and then. But you
• 1:38:14
  know, these women want to be there, They want to be on that
• 1:38:18
  stage. You know, if I'm if I'm going to listen to a woman
• 1:38:23
  talk about that stuff, I'm going to listen to, uh, you know,
• 1:38:26
  somebody who's been imporn for for fifteen years on purpose, because that person's
• 1:38:33
  going to be going to enjoy it and be excited about it, right,
• 1:38:38
  or I'm going to listen to like, you know, Anna Cherry, I'll
• 1:38:41
  listen to her talk about it because she's she's towed that line of this is
• 1:38:45
  the relationship I have with the world, and I'm wallowing in it, you
• 1:38:50
  know, or I'm I'm enjoying it. I'm doing this and you're not bad
• 1:38:56
  for accepting it from me and reciprocating. Yeah, and not only that,
• 1:39:00
  but she has something to say about it, right, you know, like
• 1:39:03
  she really has an insight about at least her particular set of people, you
• 1:39:11
  know, but you know, right to hear from women who actually are uh
• 1:39:16
  who view what they do as a two way engagement and recognize their agency in
• 1:39:21
  that engagement. I don't want to marry jack Ship from when who are going
• 1:39:25
  to sit around and whine about people being involved in a two way uh engagement
• 1:39:31
  financial engagement with them and and and say, well they're taking advantage of my
• 1:39:38
  my boobs, you know, and shit like I hear that go fund yourself
• 1:39:42
  exactly. But but yeah, so when we talk about to get back into
• 1:39:46
  the study, one of the things I wanted to point out here again when
• 1:39:53
  we talk about this, we're not worried uniquely or solely about this percentage of
• 1:40:00
  men experience that versus this percentage of women. This happens. Women do it
• 1:40:05
  more, men do it more. When we talk about who does it more.
• 1:40:09
  Part of the reason for discussing that is the fact that feminists make the
• 1:40:14
  claim that men do it more. Therefore it must be this, and therefore
• 1:40:23
  it's okay to ignore their experience of it, and therefore it's okay to generalize
• 1:40:30
  to all men, even though the overwhelming majority of men don't do it right.
• 1:40:38
  But the other thing is when we talk about this and we talk about
• 1:40:43
  age groups, it's it provides a tool for being able to address the the
• 1:40:51
  personality traits or mental hang ups or dysfunction that someone has learned. There may
• 1:41:00
  be a mental health condition, maybe like PTSD, maybe like an obsessive compulsive
• 1:41:04
  thing, maybe anger management problems, whatever, that cause an individual to engage
• 1:41:10
  in that kind of behavior, so that they develop the tools to handle conflict
• 1:41:15
  or adversity without engaging in that kind of behavior, and people who are victimized
• 1:41:21
  to learn the tools to recognize risks for that kind of behavior and how to
• 1:41:30
  protect themselves and avoid relationships or circumstances that would lead to that kind of behavior.
• 1:41:36
  So up here on this screen in the middle of this paragraph. Several
• 1:41:42
  studies have found that men and women initiate against an intimate partner at approximately the
• 1:41:46
  same rate. For example, Gray and Fashi specifically asked adolescents, And this
• 1:41:55
  is interesting because adolescents have a very different level of development, I guess you
• 1:42:02
  could say of control over themselves. They're in the midst of the most impulse
• 1:42:10
  heavy and self control light part of their lives since the Terrible twos, because
• 1:42:17
  they've got their hormones are out of control. So specifically asking adolescents about their
• 1:42:25
  initiation of violence, they found that among the violent relationships studied, sixty six
• 1:42:30
  percent were characterized by both partners initiating violence at least once. Now, if
• 1:42:36
  they only asked at least once versus you know, did you at least once?
• 1:42:43
  Well, how about frequently? And then you find out one partner or
• 1:42:45
  the other it's more frequent, that'd be a different story. But that's as
• 1:42:48
  far as that got. And the National Family Violence Survey boast men and women
• 1:42:54
  reported that violence was initiated by each partner at least forty percent of the time.
• 1:43:00
  Additionally, studies of community samples found that a relatively low percentage of women
• 1:43:05
  endorsed self defense as a primary motive for violence. So when feminists claim that
• 1:43:15
  two way violence is men attacking their female partners and their female partners defending themselves.
• 1:43:21
  Between these three studies, what you're seeing is in adolescents, both sexes
• 1:43:30
  are initiating violence at least once in the national survey at least forty percent of
• 1:43:38
  the time, both sexes each partner is initiating violence at least forty percent of
• 1:43:42
  the time. And community samples found that very low percentage of women endorse self
• 1:43:47
  defense as their primary motive. So they're initiating, they're not just engaging in
• 1:43:53
  self defense. So these data, they didn't look at men, but these
• 1:43:59
  data just self defense cannot fully explain the reciprocal violence phenomenon. So that indicates
• 1:44:05
  that when we're told that reciprocal violence doesn't excuse men from being demonized as the
• 1:44:17
  primary perpetrators of violence, it's bullshit. It's all bullshit. They're just talking
• 1:44:24
  out their asses, of course. Yeah, and then I'm going to add
• 1:44:34
  to this, So the basis for the belief that men are the primary perpetrators
• 1:44:42
  most of the time, and women are defending themselves. Is the Duluth model
• 1:44:46
  that was created by Ellen Pence, and I can't remember the other ladies that
• 1:44:50
  were involved in it. Pence is the most famous of the creators of the
• 1:44:56
  Duluth model, and she wrote a book on the subject called Coordinating Community Responses
• 1:45:03
  to Domestic Violence. Dang it. I was not intending to select everything on
• 1:45:09
  the page Lessons from Deluth and beyond that sort of explained this, and in
• 1:45:15
  her chapter some thoughts on philosophy she initiated or initiated, she admitted something that
• 1:45:26
  I don't know if she intended it to be seen the way that it ended
• 1:45:30
  up being seen. So feminist accused men of being violent in order to control
• 1:45:40
  their partner. She says as much here that they accused men of being violent
• 1:45:46
  in order to get controller power. The difference is semantic areas not semantic.
• 1:45:54
  It's ideological. She said. Somewhere, we shifted from understanding the violence as
• 1:45:59
  rooted in a sense of entitlements to root it in a desire for power,
• 1:46:04
  and even it the idea that it's rooted in his sense of entitlements, in
• 1:46:10
  my opinion, is bullshit. I'm gonna expand this because I'm having trouble seeing
• 1:46:15
  it. My eyes are so crappy, you guys min mine too. It's
• 1:46:20
  that damn mutation on the motherfucker gene. There. I see if I can
• 1:46:27
  get this to be actually big, really, because it was big before.
• 1:46:31
  God damn it. All right, we'll see what I can do here.
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  This is gonna look weird, but once I'm done, it'll work. I
• 1:46:42
  think. There we go. Now I can re shrink that. Maybe what
• 1:46:49
  all right? Damn it? Put it right here. I hate the way
• 1:46:56
  this works. Sometimes I would like to be able to just tell my computer
• 1:47:00
  what to do and have it do it and have it stay that way.
• 1:47:04
  Is this really gonna keep? All right? One more? Now? If
• 1:47:15
  I close that, it wasn't doing that earlier. I swear to you guys,
• 1:47:18
  it was not snapping back earlier. This pisses me off. What happens
• 1:47:23
  if I toggle full screen so that's not really full screen? Then I lose
• 1:47:29
  the page? Of course? Is there a of course? And I can't
• 1:47:42
  search some thoughts on philosophy there? Go back to the Wikipedia page and read
• 1:47:48
  the truncated part for a fox. Everything's gotta be hard. That's the chapter,
• 1:48:15
  but it won't let me go to that chapter Good Grief, So let's
• 1:48:27
  see, we don't need to read the whole understanding that there we go some
• 1:48:44
  thoughts on philosophies. So again, the dumbest thing about this is it doesn't
• 1:48:48
  give you all the pages, so we're skipping from page six to page twenty
• 1:48:54
  nine. All right, the difference. Let's see, by determining that the
• 1:48:58
  need or desire for power was the motivating force behind battering, we created a
• 1:49:01
  conceptual framework that in fact did not fit the lived experiences experience of many of
• 1:49:08
  the men and women we were working with. So, in other words,
• 1:49:12
  feminists applied feminist philosophy to the environment they were working in and the people they
• 1:49:19
  were working with, without actually finding out if it applied. First the daip
• 1:49:33
  which was the name of the shelter they were in, staff like the therapist
• 1:49:42
  insisting it was an anger control problem, where the judge wanting to see it
• 1:49:45
  as an alcohol problem, or the defense attorney arguing that it was a defective
• 1:49:50
  wife problem. I love the way they phrased that, Like, you know,
• 1:49:57
  it completely covers for any behavior that the wife might engaged in that was
• 1:50:01
  violent herself that he might have been defending against or anything like that. Right
• 1:50:05
  is the defective wife problem. Remained undaunted by the difference in our theory and
• 1:50:11
  actual experiences of those we were working with. We all engaged in ideological practices
• 1:50:15
  and claimed them to be neutral observations. Eventually we began to give into the
• 1:50:28
  process that is at that is the heart of the Duluthe model interagency communication based
• 1:50:34
  on discussions of real cases. It was the cases themselves that created the chink
• 1:50:40
  in each of our theoretical suits of armor. So here she's basically omitting that
• 1:50:49
  they work with all these these these people and their cases don't match their beliefs
• 1:50:59
  about these cases. Is and you know, each each time their belief armor
• 1:51:03
  was affected, right damaged, but they still maintained it. And later she
• 1:51:11
  goes on. Speaking for myself, I found that many of the men I
• 1:51:17
  interviewed did not seem to articulate a desire for power over their partner. Although
• 1:51:23
  I relentlessly took every opportunity to point out to men in the groups that they
• 1:51:28
  were so motivated and merely in denial, the fact that few men ever articulated
• 1:51:33
  such a desire went unnoticed. By me and many of my co workers.
• 1:51:39
  Eventually, we realized that we were finding what we had already predetermined to find.
• 1:51:45
  The DAIP staff were interpreting what men seemed to expect or feel entitled to
• 1:51:50
  as a desire. When we had to start explaining women's violence toward their partners,
• 1:51:57
  lesbian violence, and the violence of men who did not like what they
• 1:52:00
  were doing, we were brought back to our original, undeveloped thinking that the
• 1:52:05
  violence is rooted in how social relationships i e. Avery, example, marriage
• 1:52:11
  and the rights people feel entitled to within them are socially, not privately constructed.
• 1:52:15
  So here they are recognizing this, And yet what did they do.
• 1:52:21
  They created the deLuce model, the power and control wheel and all of that,
• 1:52:28
  and they used it not only to train other shelters, other other shelter
• 1:52:36
  staff, but to advocate for changes in law and policy in the United States
• 1:52:41
  and in other countries to mandate how the police and the court system respond to
• 1:52:46
  allegations of abuse costly. Yeah. So does it matter if domestic violence is
• 1:53:00
  mostly female initiated? Somewhat? Yeah, because it tells us that one of
• 1:53:06
  our areas of weakness in relationships and human relationships is that women don't have a
• 1:53:12
  taboo against violence the same taboo against violence that men have. We need that
• 1:53:17
  taboo to be expanded. But is it the whole story? No? Right,
• 1:53:26
  A big part of the story is that the motivations and causes of domestic
• 1:53:31
  violence are being badly mischaracterized by feminists in a manner that demonizes men and handicaps
• 1:53:41
  systems that are in place with society's intent to help people in these relationships stop
• 1:53:49
  engaging in this dysfunction and causes them to fail to provide that help. That's
• 1:53:57
  the biggest of the problems. Do we get from Michael Flood this claim that
• 1:54:04
  MRAs I think men are victimized thirty three percent more often than women, and
• 1:54:12
  that it's based on a study that isn't about domestic violence. I'm sorry if
• 1:54:27
  I've already said this before, but I wonder if if he's actually read the
• 1:54:31
  studies that he's sawn he acture he has. I'm sure he picked through them
• 1:54:36
  very carefully for things that his point and disprove ours or where the things our
• 1:54:42
  point is. Oh, and he has he has another complaint about this.
• 1:54:55
  Let's see, so he says women suffer more violence overall, and then has
• 1:55:00
  this list in a table. Yes, he says men suffer more physical violence
• 1:55:08
  than women. And remember this is not by intimate partners, but by people
• 1:55:12
  connected to the institution physical violence as opposed to violence that is not physical.
• 1:55:20
  So, in other words, women suffer more overall abuse. According to this
• 1:55:28
  study, in the workplace, men suffer of the types of abuse that men
• 1:55:33
  suffer. They suffer violence more than women. Do women experience the rainbow of
• 1:55:42
  violence? Right? Men? Anyway? Well, yes, yes, but
• 1:55:48
  men just the only thing they ever experience is physical violence. And yes,
• 1:55:54
  so what that it happens more to men? But I you know, yeah,
• 1:56:00
  there's other types of violence that affect women, and so we have to
• 1:56:04
  focus on that, you know, that's what's more important here. That's that's
• 1:56:11
  we running against the to the Rogan defense. Yes, men are more victimized
• 1:56:15
  by violence, but sometimes it's done by penance. Men don't count as victims.
• 1:56:19
  Yes, that's the next sentence. In fact, a third issue,
• 1:56:23
  Oh wow, study does not tell us who perpetrated the violence. For example,
• 1:56:28
  most violence against men in universities maybe by other men. And that's the
• 1:56:35
  reason that they're targeting men and not women, because men are viewed as appropriate
• 1:56:43
  targets for violence, regardless of who's perpetrating. But if a man is the
• 1:56:48
  perpetrator, only men are viewed as acceptable targets. Women are not. So
• 1:56:59
  that's the other thing Hilands enacted on humans is enacted by other humans, so
• 1:57:04
  it basically doesn't happen. Yep. Well, and to be honest and semis
• 1:57:11
  have their way of framing things all the time. So, for instance,
• 1:57:16
  Christy and Bob are dating and Chrissy. Chrissy wants to stay in the relationship
• 1:57:24
  and Bob doesn't like her anymore because something is incompatible about them, and he
• 1:57:28
  says, I can't do this anymore. I'm sorry, goodbye. So Christy
• 1:57:32
  gets upset and she tells George that Bob did something awful to her. It
• 1:57:38
  doesn't matter what it was. George is now angry. George goes and beats
• 1:57:42
  the shit out of Bob. Feminists will view that as male violence. But
• 1:57:47
  was George ever going to beat Bob up until Chrisy said those things to him,
• 1:57:54
  you know, until he saw Chrissy's tears, until she opened her fucking
• 1:57:58
  mouth. Of course, not? All right, They do not discuss proxy
• 1:58:02
  violence, no, right, Chrissy and Bob are walking down the street together
• 1:58:09
  and they're in a heated argument and Chrissy is in tears over the argument.
• 1:58:15
  George assumes Bob hit Chrissy and shoves him up against the wall and threatens him
• 1:58:20
  again. Feminist would call that male violence. They might even call it toxic
• 1:58:25
  masculinity, unless you know Bob actually hit Chrissy, And then they'd be like,
• 1:58:30
  well, that's that's George's job. He's supposed to do that. And
• 1:58:34
  when you ask them what toxic masculinity is, they'll describe the thing that they
• 1:58:40
  just did. Yep. So yeah, good little soldiers, yep, yep.
• 1:58:49
  So when we talk about these types of studies and these types of violence,
• 1:58:55
  we're looking at nuance right when you're looking at yes, there are different
• 1:59:00
  types of abuse. Relational aggression happens to women more. It's usually perpetrated by
• 1:59:05
  other women. It's how we fight with each other as adults because we don't
• 1:59:11
  hit each other anymore. And some women are very good at it and some
• 1:59:18
  women aren't, and then we get diagnosis autistic. But you know, physical
• 1:59:26
  aggression, you're going to see more male victims. You're going to see they're
• 1:59:30
  perpetrators being male, because it is more acceptable in society for men to just
• 1:59:38
  duke things out when they're mad at each other. And also men are more
• 1:59:43
  acceptable targets in society when men are going to be committing violence. And then
• 1:59:48
  of course when it's things like muggings, you go for the person who's more
• 1:59:54
  likely to have the money, so or the person who's more likely to be
• 1:59:59
  walking alone at night, and not somebody who's got somebody that that's going to
• 2:00:05
  be dedicated to protecting them. It's it's a lot more dangerous to attack a
• 2:00:12
  woman who has a man there to protect her than it would be to protect
• 2:00:16
  to attack that guy if he was walking alone, because his attitude is going
• 2:00:20
  to be entirely different. And me and two, I'm sorry. I was
• 2:00:28
  just gonna add, even even if he's walking with a woman, he can
• 2:00:30
  size the woman up and say, you know what, I can fucking take
• 2:00:33
  her and still go after the man. You know what I mean. That's
• 2:00:38
  not it's not always a guarantee. Well, all right, a guy,
• 2:00:44
  if you mug a guy walking down the street by himself, he may decide
• 2:00:47
  that his wallet is not worth his life, right, But if you mug
• 2:00:51
  a girl walking with her boyfriend. Same guy. The guy that would decide
• 2:00:59
  his wallet is not worth his light, his life, might decide her purse
• 2:01:02
  is, or might decide her tears are or her fear is, he'll he'll
• 2:01:10
  fight to the death for her. So a guy that's going to commit that
• 2:01:15
  kind of crime isn't going to target a couple unless he can't find anybody else
• 2:01:20
  and he's desperate or he has a gun. He's not, He's not like
• 2:01:27
  that that scene in Crocodile Dundee. That's not a knife. That's a knife.
• 2:01:33
  That's that's an unlikely scenario, just because most guys don't want to confront
• 2:01:41
  a guy who has a woman to protect from them. But but yeah,
• 2:01:49
  like I I just everything about this is stupid, and the way that he
• 2:01:55
  wrote about this, and starting with and of course he's claiming that might be
• 2:02:02
  cannon and Men's Rights Front organizations have issued press releases on his study, but
• 2:02:09
  I haven't seen one, and I follow Mike on Twitter, so I'm kinda
• 2:02:14
  I'm calling bullshit on that too, So but anyway, so that's that's the
• 2:02:26
  article. I think I've shared all of the actual data that I wanted to
• 2:02:34
  share to compare with what he was claiming. And I'm not gonna open up
• 2:02:42
  his links because let's take him at his word and say everything he says about
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  the study is correct. It still doesn't make it false that, you know,
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  men do experience violence from women more than women do for men in terms
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  of initimate partner relationships. There are other studies that prove that that's true,
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  and it also doesn't make that our only issue. Looking into the we didn't
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  get I don't did we get any super chest. I think we might got
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  one. Let me see if I get Yeah, there was one. I'm
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  not sure if it's worth reading, but there was one. Yeah, let's
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  see what we got here. So Albert Nada Retro gave us five dollars a
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  Canadian and said whatever, Fresh and Fresh, fresh infit, Pearly Tate Justin
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  Waller. I don't know who that last person is actually. I don't know
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  fresh and fit either. Snake oil salesmen and hypocrites, I don't know.
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  I don't know enough about most of them. I think Pearly is more traditionalist
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  and is new to a lot of these issues, and I've been watching her
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  learn new things and change her mind about different things. So that's interesting.
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  It indicates that she's open to growth, which is important for a woman in
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  the movement. We have to be able to be wrong. In any case,
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  even the junk food version of men's issues advocacy a thousand times better than
• 2:04:21
  even the haughtiest academic feminism. Well that's true too. If you could focus
• 2:04:30
  your eye on the feminists who are destroying the fucking world rather than that they're
• 2:04:36
  slightly less intellectually rigorous men's issues advocates, that that would be fucking great.
• 2:04:44
  I don't know most of the rest of these people, but I haven't been
• 2:04:47
  really I think Andrew Tate's been blown all out of proportion. I'm not really
• 2:04:51
  deeply impressed with him, But I don't think he's a demon, the demon
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  that everybody's making him out to be either. He's just a guy who has
• 2:04:58
  things to say and people, well see that's desperate. That right. There
• 2:05:02
  is the problem, Hannah, with this person who sent this super chat.
• 2:05:08
  Uh, you know, we're not allowed. If we don't outright condemn the
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  people in this list and in this super chat, then then you know we're
• 2:05:18
  we're the hypocrites, we're fucking sellouts. Yea, and testing either the same
• 2:05:26
  exactly, and that's where that's my stance as well, when I believe that's
• 2:05:30
  Mike's stance as well. But you know, this person who has sent emails
• 2:05:38
  some very flavorant things said in those emails also said that they wouldn't come back.
• 2:05:44
  They're not supporting. Well, you're here and thank you for your five
• 2:05:46
  dollars super chat, you know, but I'm sorry. I'm not gonna put
• 2:05:50
  these people's heads on a pike just because you want me to. My way
• 2:05:56
  of dealing with all of this stuff is if if somebody says something that I
• 2:06:02
  disagree with, I'm going to disagree with what they have to say, and
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  I'm gonna tell them why. I'll present my evidence if they present something to
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  me back what they've said that I and I haven't seen it before. In
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  it it changes the scenario enough that I can I can look at it and
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  say, oh, yeah, well that's a contributing factor, and my opinion
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  moves this this direction, this distance, then it's my job to tell them
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  that, right. That's that's how you deal with this agreement. Uh.
• 2:06:36
  But I don't like the idea of purity testing because everybody has different life experience,
• 2:06:44
  and everybody has learned things different ways. So, for instance, there
• 2:06:48
  are other avenues of life, other aspects of your life where you make decisions
• 2:06:55
  similar to my hang up about backing up in my car. And it's not
• 2:07:00
  even that I can't see what I'm doing or I'm not confident I'm really good
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  at it. I can back up in and out of very tight spaces with
• 2:07:09
  big vehicles and everything. It's just my way of being careful in that way.
• 2:07:17
  But if I'm writing in someone else's car and they don't do that,
• 2:07:21
  you know, I'm not going to nag them. And it's the same way
• 2:07:26
  in life if I if I have my marriage relationship with my husband one way
• 2:07:33
  and somebody else wants to have a different avenue of relationship, maybe there maybe
• 2:07:45
  their relationship is more more sexually volatile, or maybe their relationship is more like
• 2:07:54
  they go to casinos together all the time, or you know, like different
• 2:07:59
  pastimes than we have, or they need more alone time from each other than
• 2:08:03
  we take from each other. Like those are that's their relationship, and I'm
• 2:08:07
  not going to tell people that it's the wrong way to have that relationship.
• 2:08:11
  If I approach getting legislative change done by contacting legislators and writing letters and sending
• 2:08:22
  information and evidence, and somebody else goes and actually sits in their office and
• 2:08:28
  talks face to face with them. I'm not going to say you're doing it
• 2:08:31
  wrong because you didn't put it in writing, right. And if somebody says
• 2:08:37
  false accusers should be punished for what they do the same as any other criminal,
• 2:08:43
  because it's in violation of our laws what they're doing, and everybody needs
• 2:08:50
  to be held accountable. And they say nothing about the victims, I don't
• 2:08:54
  care. As long as they're suggesting the same thing. This needs to be
• 2:09:00
  Accountability needs to be had. If they have a different reason for why they
• 2:09:05
  want that accountability, the fact that they're pushing for accountability is enough for me,
• 2:09:09
  right. So there's that when you look at these different people that come
• 2:09:15
  to men's rights activism from different philosophies. They're atheists in the movement. I'm
• 2:09:22
  a Christian. I'm not gonna say atheists can't be part of the movement,
• 2:09:24
  and I expect them to not say Christians can't be part of the movement.
• 2:09:28
  And at the same time, I'm not gonna say that Christianity is a pathway
• 2:09:31
  to men's rights. It's a pathway to a spiritual relationship with deity, that's
• 2:09:37
  it. And it's an individual thing. You don't have to be man or
• 2:09:43
  woman to be part of the men's rights movement. You don't have to be
• 2:09:45
  a parent or be childless. You can be either one. You know,
• 2:09:48
  and even people who are traditionalist or anti traditionalist have things to contribute, right,
• 2:09:58
  they may have different beliefs we can argue about vehemently even about all of
• 2:10:05
  those things. That's fine. That's that's how we hash out ideas. That's
• 2:10:11
  how we decide what's right and wrong for us, and it's how we get
• 2:10:16
  things done. But at the end of the day, you know, we're
• 2:10:22
  all part of a very large group of people that has recognized that our legislation
• 2:10:31
  at the federal level and at the state level is discriminatory toward men and is
• 2:10:37
  causing damage to families and dysfunction, widespread dysfunction within our society that is leading
• 2:10:45
  to a whole host of problems that trace back to a combination of fatherlessness and
• 2:10:54
  ill treatment of men and boys. And and we're all working on that from
• 2:11:00
  our own angles. So yeah, I will argue to the end of the
• 2:11:03
  earth with someone who I think is wrong about their beliefs on the subject,
• 2:11:11
  or they're a particular approach that I think isn't going to work or is going
• 2:11:16
  to do damage or something, or to telling people that if you care about
• 2:11:22
  men, you have to do this or you have to do that. But
• 2:11:26
  I don't think. I don't believe in kicking people out of the movement and
• 2:11:30
  saying well, you can't be one. You know, you can't sit with
• 2:11:33
  us anymore because I don't like your methods. I don't like your beliefs about
• 2:11:39
  this one thing. I think that's very counterproductive. If you don't like Pearl,
• 2:11:46
  if you don't like Tait, if you don't like Fresh and Fit,
• 2:11:50
  don't watch their content, and in your world they won't exist except for other
• 2:11:54
  people who are complaining about them. If you don't like feminism, you can't
• 2:12:00
  just ignore it. It's still in charge of universities and schools and the government,
• 2:12:05
  and the government and now the police force and the army. You know,
• 2:12:11
  focus on the things that you that you can't make go away just by
• 2:12:15
  ignoring them. It's pretty simple. Really. Oh yeah, let's see.
• 2:12:24
  Zerranks gave us ten dollars and said Pearl recently had Paul Elam, Aaron Cleary,
• 2:12:30
  and two others on her associates, spoke with Alison Chandler and others.
• 2:12:33
  Even if their grifters, using them to get the message out is better than
• 2:12:37
  not true. Absolutely so. And I will say this just because somebody,
• 2:12:43
  just because somebody makes money doesn't make them a grifter. It's like calling a
• 2:12:50
  doctor a grifter because they charge a fee for their work. If or a
• 2:12:54
  journalist. If you do a job and you get paid for it and you're
• 2:13:00
  not lying to people about what you're doing for them, you're not pretending to
• 2:13:07
  affect things that you don't affect, or to achieve things that you don't achieve,
• 2:13:15
  then you're not a grifter. You know, if you tell people that
• 2:13:20
  your job is spreading information and hashing out ideas, providing a space for ideas
• 2:13:31
  to be hashed out, and getting people to consider those ideas, and you
• 2:13:37
  do that job, and when people pay you to do that job, their
• 2:13:41
  expectation is that's what you're going to do, and you do it and you're
• 2:13:46
  meeting their expectations. That's not grifting, right. Grifting is when you claim
• 2:13:54
  that you are solving a problem when you're in fact exacerbating it, you know,
• 2:14:00
  by by doing things like creating a whole model for evaluating the problem that
• 2:14:05
  actually hides the causes and could contributing factors and prevents people from being able to
• 2:14:15
  create solutions that address those causes and contributing factors. That's grifting, that's feminism.
• 2:14:22
  So let's see do you do in the super Chow channel we have so
• 2:14:31
  after Brian said he was done yesterday at five oh seven, Zapier gave us
• 2:14:37
  five dollars without a message, So thank you zaper for that. Today,
• 2:14:43
  right after the show started, Meredith, she gave us five dollars instead.
• 2:14:46
  HBr talk two ninety honey for the badgers. I've noticed in my life that
• 2:14:50
  female bullies tend to pick on other people they either know or they believe can't
• 2:14:54
  fight back. That's bullies in general are like that. Female bullies do it
• 2:15:01
  with relational aggression. Male bullies do it with physical aggression, and both cases
• 2:15:07
  they're shocked. They just get the shit shocked out of them. When when
• 2:15:11
  you actually turn out to be able to defend yourself. The difference is male
• 2:15:16
  bullies once they realize that actually you can defend yourself you can fight back,
• 2:15:24
  they show some respect for that, and they stop trying to bully you,
• 2:15:31
  and sometimes they'll even become your friend, and in some cases they'll even stop
• 2:15:35
  being a bully. Female bullies resent the fact that you were able to defend
• 2:15:41
  yourself, and you by doing so, you just started a war and it's
• 2:15:46
  all your fault. Like That's been my experience my whole life with bullies,
• 2:15:52
  and I'm pretty pretty good at triggering them into attack completely unintentionally, to the
• 2:16:00
  degree where there have been numerous times where I've gotten into fights growing up that
• 2:16:05
  I had no idea what the hell we were fighting about. Let's see,
• 2:16:13
  she says, I've watched it with female relatives, with bosses and coworkers.
• 2:16:16
  Yep, same here, Sleepy AUSSI gave us Okay, that looks like a
• 2:16:24
  really big number, but it's actually one hundred dollars and then ten dollars.
• 2:16:28
  Thank you very much for one hundred and ten dollars. For a minute,
• 2:16:31
  I'm like that we did not just get like a million billion dollars from this
• 2:16:39
  person. It's got to be foreign currency that is, you know, But
• 2:16:43
  thank you, Sleepy Aussie. Sleepy Assie says, you couldn't tell if those
• 2:16:46
  women were women or cats. Hannam, Maybe they were female dots. Also
• 2:16:50
  for a show, I've caught live in a while. Keep up the good
• 2:16:52
  work. Yeah, women get very catty when they fight. And again,
• 2:16:58
  there's a difference between cats and dogs fighting. Like, both cats and dogs
• 2:17:01
  are a lot faster than humans, so the motion in the fight is a
• 2:17:05
  lot, uh, a lot faster. But dogs get physical a lot sooner
• 2:17:13
  than cats. Cats have this thing where they'll like pat each other with the
• 2:17:18
  ends of their paws, but most of the fight is yelling and screaming.
• 2:17:24
  Year say that you might have seen dogs on the either side of on either
• 2:17:30
  side of a fence and then the moment you open the fence, they go,
• 2:17:35
  oh hi, yeah, start sniff at each other's butts. Yeah,
• 2:17:41
  it's a lot of it's for show. No animal is perfect. They're all
• 2:17:46
  full of shit in somewhere. Oh yeah, they don't want to fight.
• 2:17:48
  Children are not pure. Animals are not pure. They all have some version
• 2:17:54
  of lies and deception. Yeah, it's funny. Now, cats will like,
• 2:18:03
  there's a cat that we don't We don't have a cat, but there
• 2:18:07
  is a cat in a neighborhood who is completely unaware of that fact. He
• 2:18:11
  lives on our porch and he won't let any other cats come on our porch.
• 2:18:16
  And he's very aggressive. He's very he he doesn't yowl, He just
• 2:18:20
  chases them down silently and starts beating the hell out of them if they come
• 2:18:24
  too close. He's very territorial. Now I've seen him hiss and he got
• 2:18:30
  in between my husband and my husband's boss and hissed at the boss in my
• 2:18:33
  husband's defense because they were standing too close together to have a conversation, which
• 2:18:39
  was hilarious. You know, what are you gonna do to this person who's
• 2:18:41
  like eight times your size? But in any case, Yeah, and he
• 2:18:48
  is a tom cat and he's fixed. Like he does not have as his
• 2:18:56
  excuse that he wasn't fixed. He's fixed. He's fixed, and he's had
• 2:19:00
  his rabies shot because he was he was spreading baby kittens all over the neighborhood.
• 2:19:05
  So the locals he, you know, had had there's an organization that
• 2:19:11
  does that to prevent cats from ending up starving to death in areas where like
• 2:19:18
  around apartment complexes and stuff where they congregate around dumpsters and stuff. But uh,
• 2:19:24
  he didn't even know he was broken, but so he doesn't have you
• 2:19:28
  know, like people think, oh, you know the cat, cat's aggressive
• 2:19:31
  because he's not fixed. No, he's fixed. He's still aggressive. But
• 2:19:35
  but yeah, so cats can women fight like cats? Most cats, though
• 2:19:41
  this, This cat fights like a dog. Anonymous gave us five dollars and
• 2:19:48
  said, I forgot to mention this in the last stream. But years ago
• 2:19:50
  I stumbled upon a four chan tread discussing eunichs and the transgender community's views on
• 2:19:54
  sex reassignment surgery. I was researching the the presence of misadry within a trans
• 2:20:01
  community and came across a particular post. It featured a picture of a woman
• 2:20:05
  holding up a man's scrutum and testicles while smiling. She held him up as
• 2:20:09
  if sprinkling salt and had a huge grin on her face. The disturbing article
• 2:20:15
  Brian covered reminded me of that post. There is a significant amount of internalized
• 2:20:20
  misadery within the trans community. So this is something we talked about clear back
• 2:20:26
  when we were on blog talk radio, and it was noted that at that
• 2:20:31
  time there were a lot more trans women than there were trans men. And
• 2:20:37
  there's a couple of reasons that we discussed. One of them was, obviously,
• 2:20:43
  you have a lot more leeway as a woman to be viewed as a
• 2:20:48
  feminine, functional female adult in terms of meeting your gender stereotype being gender conforming
• 2:21:03
  for your local culture than men do. Men do not have as broad of
• 2:21:09
  an area of movement as women do. So if you're outside of the bounds
• 2:21:18
  of your normal, your local cultural spectrum of gender conformity, and your male
• 2:21:28
  it's more likely for you to be dysphoric because of it, in my opinion,
• 2:21:33
  because it's less socially accepted for you to fail to conform or to for
• 2:21:43
  you to choose not to conform. Now, people appoint to people who are
• 2:21:50
  famous and rich who have not conformed and been accepted. But it's a lot
• 2:21:56
  easier to get people to accept your eccentric cities if you're wealthy than it is
• 2:22:01
  if you're just you know, some guy living in the neighborhood, and that's
• 2:22:07
  that's an issue. Then the other thing is we hear all the time,
• 2:22:15
  and have heard for years and years about various incarnations of quote unquote toxic masculinity.
• 2:22:24
  Male behavior is demonized. Men face stricter obligations stricter boundaries, stricter requirements
• 2:22:39
  of behavior, you know, expectations, stricter limitations on their behavior not the
• 2:22:46
  same thing as boundaries, necessarily and so on than women do. And so
• 2:22:52
  men are more likely to be condemned, men are more likely to be demonized
• 2:22:56
  men, and more likely to be criticized men, and more likely to be
• 2:23:00
  made fun of, look down on, treated as acceptable targets for violence and
• 2:23:03
  ridicule and emotional abuse and so on. Right there, society's attitude sinks.
• 2:23:13
  Asshole sinks, right like a heat sink in a mech, but for society's
• 2:23:18
  asshole behavior. And so if you were in a situation where you wanted to
• 2:23:26
  escape that, the best way to escape it without dying would be to become
• 2:23:33
  a woman. So there's a whole bunch of different reasons why more men might
• 2:23:41
  be trans, you know, and and and might be trans women, then
• 2:23:46
  women become trans men. More men might experience dysphoria, and so on,
• 2:23:52
  and why more more young men might be convinced they're experiencing dysphoria when they're not.
• 2:24:01
  Now that's changed, There's been reasons why that's changed. But yeah,
• 2:24:07
  both internal and external misendry and what really seems to shock a lot of trans
• 2:24:13
  women is rather than escaping that misendry, they discover that it's just transferred from
• 2:24:20
  being you suck because you're a man, to you suck because you're trying to
• 2:24:24
  usurp female privilege. So it's a really that's one of the reasons I think
• 2:24:33
  a lot of trans women historically have committed suicide because it didn't solve the problem.
• 2:24:41
  And I think in terms of the entire trans issue and the entire gender
• 2:24:50
  identity issue, where people have started turning kinks into identities in calling it their
• 2:24:56
  sexuality and building pronouns around them and everything. We we just treated people like
• 2:25:01
  human beings and accepted people for who they are as long as who they are
• 2:25:07
  doesn't involve violating boundaries between themselves and other people. Like obviously, we don't
• 2:25:13
  accept people who who commit sexual violence, and we don't accept people who exploit
• 2:25:20
  inability to consent, But we would accept the idea that you like to wear
• 2:25:24
  a dress instead of pants. Okay, you know you. I don't care
• 2:25:31
  if you like to wear a freaking diaper as long as I don't have to
• 2:25:35
  look at it on this street and a parade or change it or my grandkids.
• 2:25:41
  Yeah, and I'm not going to change it. You find somebody that's
• 2:25:43
  into that and partner up and be happy together. And that's your business,
• 2:25:48
  not mine. Right, that's the because I'm gen X and we don't do
• 2:25:52
  that shit. No, the whole everybody has to know my kink and celebrate
• 2:25:56
  it with me. No, it's your business, it's not mine. I
• 2:26:01
  don't care, and I don't want anything to do with it. And I'm
• 2:26:03
  not going to condemn you for it. And you're not bad or wrong or
• 2:26:09
  you know whatever, that's fine, just leave me out of it. It's
• 2:26:11
  not my kin m right, that's all I want want in my life,
• 2:26:18
  right. And I think if we could do that as a society, which
• 2:26:20
  we had started to do before the first wave of wokeism in the nineties,
• 2:26:28
  we would be in a much better place in terms of our relationship between the
• 2:26:35
  genders and our relationship between various aspects of our culture. Just saying agreed.
• 2:26:45
  And I also don't think that there would be as many people having surgery to
• 2:26:48
  make their identity real if we just accepted people for who they were. Richard
• 2:26:58
  Bierre gave us dollars and said didn't Gandhi actually use the term economic violence during
• 2:27:03
  his campaign to liberate India from the British Empire. I think he did.
• 2:27:05
  I think you're right, Gandhi was not always cracked up to So many of
• 2:27:11
  these people who we think of as universal heroes were a lot of skeletons in
• 2:27:18
  that closet. Yeah, he goes on to say, I read a science
• 2:27:22
  fiction short story whereby filing filing taxes, had the notion that you would decide
• 2:27:26
  on every line how much of your tax dollars would go to each and every
• 2:27:30
  single government program. Yeah. You know, actually, if our government did
• 2:27:33
  that, it would have to file. Everybody would have to file electronically.
• 2:27:39
  Otherwise you would be sending a five thousand page document when you when you filed
• 2:27:43
  your taxes. Uh. But yeah, So in terms of calling things violence,
• 2:27:50
  right, if I went out and found a way to control your relationship
• 2:28:01
  to the local economy in such a way that you would starve to death,
• 2:28:05
  it would be fair to call that economic violence. If you can't go buy
• 2:28:13
  a new pair of shoes to go with your new outfit, but you're not
• 2:28:20
  going to be shoeless because of that, and you're upset about it, and
• 2:28:26
  you're distressed over it. Feminists will call that economic violence if you're a woman,
• 2:28:31
  right, They won't to hear a man. And that's that's where I
• 2:28:35
  think the term is fake. Same thing with emotional violence. The chick that
• 2:28:45
  talked the boyfriend into getting back into the vehicle where he was gassing himself to
• 2:28:54
  death after he got scared and got out, engaged in emotional violence. She
• 2:29:00
  bullied him to death. She talked to him, literally talked him into killing
• 2:29:07
  himself, literally badgered him into killing himself when he was in a state of
• 2:29:13
  reduced cognitive capability because he was damaged from the fumes he'd already consumed. That
• 2:29:22
  that I would I would call it fair. Now I get to argue with
• 2:29:26
  somebody who calls that emotional violence. But for instance, God Evolves published pictures
• 2:29:33
  of me on Twitter where he darkened my teeth and made them look worse than
• 2:29:41
  they really were at the time. They're that bad now, and he called
• 2:29:45
  me meth teeth and all kinds of stuff. I don't. He was obviously
• 2:29:48
  trying to embarrass me and make me feel bad and stuff I don't. I
• 2:29:52
  don't consider that violence. It would be fair to call it bullying. Really
• 2:30:00
  let him bully me over that. He was just talking about a fact of
• 2:30:03
  life that is not really It's not like it's something I had control over.
• 2:30:09
  It's actually part of the part of one of the mutations on the motherfucker gen
• 2:30:16
  Like, motherfucker, there go my teeth. But in any case, I
• 2:30:22
  suppose if somebody had more of their ego attached to how their teeth looked,
• 2:30:24
  than he might have succeeded in causing distress, which was his goal. That's
• 2:30:31
  bullying, it's abuse. It's not violence. He didn't do physical damage to
• 2:30:39
  me. I didn't kill myself over it. I didn't even end up in
• 2:30:43
  medical treatment because of it. I was kind of laughing at him about it.
• 2:30:48
  So there's that. Richard Bierre gave us another five dollars and said,
• 2:30:58
  go fund me is the replace for lie insurance and the hood. Yeah.
• 2:31:05
  Anonymous gave us five dollars and said, appreciate the light you shined on the
• 2:31:07
  trans struggle. But the crux of my super chiw was how fucked the nurses?
• 2:31:11
  Oh yeah, she was happy to create a man, and the glee
• 2:31:15
  in her smile made my blood oil. There's that's a really unfortunately common attitude
• 2:31:22
  among women. Right, So there's the social understanding that in comparison to men,
• 2:31:33
  women are weak. Well, in comparison to men, women are less
• 2:31:41
  physically strong, women are less prone to endurance, less likely to be fast
• 2:31:50
  moving. We have greater flexibility physically, we can stretch more. We're like
• 2:31:58
  rubber men. Our bones are more flexible. They're thinner too, and the
• 2:32:09
  psychologically in a lot of ways. Yeah, although there are things that women
• 2:32:16
  don't handle that men do too, Like we have different in the relationship between
• 2:32:22
  men and women. Women can bring men to their knees just by thinking,
• 2:32:26
  well, just by saying something in a way that men simply connot to women.
• 2:32:31
  Yeah, there are there are ways that women have a lot of power.
• 2:32:35
  And but women take this notion of men being bigger and stronger and the
• 2:32:41
  feminist narrative of men being in control of society, which is utter bullshit because
• 2:32:50
  most of what gets done in society is done for women's benefit or through or
• 2:32:56
  women benefit from it on behalf of children, right, And yeah, we
• 2:33:03
  also have a thicker fat layer in our skin. But yeah, we we
• 2:33:11
  could all adopt the idea that masculinity is something to resent if we were shortsighted
• 2:33:18
  enough to accept the feminist narrative. So when a woman does that, when
• 2:33:24
  a woman accepts that feminist narrative, that men are something to resent and be
• 2:33:30
  angry about and feel oppressed by and done you know, hard, done by,
• 2:33:37
  done wrong by those women. Anytime something bad happens to a man,
• 2:33:43
  anytime they get one over on a man, or they see somebody getting one
• 2:33:46
  over on a man, they're going to celebrate that. It's, in a
• 2:33:54
  way, the silver lining in that dark cloud is that you know who those
• 2:34:01
  women are because they do that. They do that thing. They hold up
• 2:34:05
  the genitalia with a gleeful grand look, I have a severed penis. You
• 2:34:11
  know they're gonna do that. Oh look this this guy got fired. I'll
• 2:34:16
  bet that brought him down. You know that kind of Oh look so and
• 2:34:22
  so is divorced. She's gonna take everything he has. Ha ha ha.
• 2:34:26
  You know like that. That's that's the that's the warning label that women will
• 2:34:37
  put on themselves. Don't trust me, I'm this kind of person. Yeah,
• 2:34:48
  So there there you go. Scientists are claiming women are better than men
• 2:34:52
  with reflexes and remaining calm under pressure depends on the pressure. There are I've
• 2:35:01
  seen distinct differences in what types of pressure men and women handle. I would
• 2:35:11
  say there's a very different way of handling whiny crying kids between men and women,
• 2:35:24
  And that's pressure. But if you point a gun at a man versus
• 2:35:28
  a woman, the man handles it better, whereas with whiny kids. If
• 2:35:33
  it's a situation where the best route isn't necessarily to shut the kids up,
• 2:35:41
  you know, like quit your whining. This is the situation like maybe the
• 2:35:45
  kid's sick and it's just going to be that way for a couple of days,
• 2:35:48
  that the kid is going to be whiny because you're dealing with somebody who's
• 2:35:52
  two years old, has a fever, a sick tummy, and a stuff
• 2:35:54
  he knows and doesn't understand. It's it gets on It gets on the man's
• 2:36:01
  nerves more than the woman. Yeah, but unless you know you're dealing with
• 2:36:05
  a woman who doesn't have the capacity to tune things out and be sympathetic like,
• 2:36:11
  then then you get Lois responding to to Stewie, what you know,
• 2:36:18
  not only do women have a certain power over men, but they know it.
• 2:36:24
  Yeah, you may have seen a lot of physical fights between men there's
• 2:36:28
  kinds of videos of this now that everyone has a camera, And whenever there's
• 2:36:31
  this kind of fight, you very often see a woman coming between the men
• 2:36:35
  and going right up into one of the men's faces and saying stop. And
• 2:36:43
  and she knows she gets she gets away with it because because the because the
• 2:36:46
  man just backs off because he's not going to hit a woman, and the
• 2:36:48
  woman knows he's not going to hit. Women know this instinctively. They'll pretend
• 2:36:54
  they don't, they'll they'll they'll feign all of this fear over what a man
• 2:36:58
  can do to it, but when the rubber meets the road, they know
• 2:37:03
  they can get right up in a man's face and he'll do nothing to her.
• 2:37:05
  Yeah, right, that's what I mean by by this psychological strength between
• 2:37:11
  men and women. Yeah, And you know there's in different directions of how
• 2:37:16
  that's handled and everything. Like if you take a man and a woman and
• 2:37:20
  you put him in an environment where it's cold enough to be profoundly uncomfortable,
• 2:37:26
  but not cold enough to be dangerous, the woman will complain, i'm cold,
• 2:37:31
  you know, And even if there's no chance at fixing the problem for
• 2:37:39
  like the next hour, you're gonna be cold. You have to get this
• 2:37:43
  shit done before you can fix the problem, or you're gonna be in this
• 2:37:48
  environment for an hour and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll see
• 2:37:52
  most men will hunker down. Okay, I'm gonna be cold for an hour.
• 2:37:56
  That sucks, and then it'll be done. And if there's a thing
• 2:38:01
  that needs to get done, maybe I can get out of it faster if
• 2:38:05
  I do this quickly and efficiently. Whereas it'll affect the woman's performance, she
• 2:38:11
  will whine about it. She will ask someone to remedy it, even if
• 2:38:16
  there is no remedy available, and she'll say it's unfair, she'll call it
• 2:38:20
  misogynistic. She'll assume that men in the room aren't suffering it as much as
• 2:38:24
  she is, and so on. But so that's pressure that women don't function.
• 2:38:33
  And it's again there's always exceptions, right, But that's pressure that the
• 2:38:37
  women don't handle as well as men. Then you turn around and you expose
• 2:38:43
  a guy to a woman he knows starts fights and creates conflict and is a
• 2:38:48
  drama queen, and she asks him do these pants make my ass look fat?
• 2:38:54
  And he doesn't have a clever answer prepared. All of a sudden discovering
• 2:39:00
  a whole different level of not being able to handle pressure. Right, maybe
• 2:39:03
  he doesn't have a twix bar handy. You're going to find a guy stammering
• 2:39:09
  and stuttering and trying to get out of conversation and you know whatever it takes
• 2:39:15
  to protect himself from the only slot of stormy behavior that he's going to get
• 2:39:24
  if he says the wrong thing, knowing that everything is the wrong thing and
• 2:39:28
  he doesn't know what the right thing is. All right, it's how do
• 2:39:31
  you battle out of this? Yeah, and it's not necessarily it's not necessarily
• 2:39:41
  superior and of women to be able to inflict that, but it is an
• 2:39:48
  area where pressure can be It can be as tough on men as on women.
• 2:39:56
  So but anyway, Yeah, Richard Beer gave us ten dollars instead of
• 2:39:58
  masculation and making Eunix is the equivalent of porn for those kind of women.
• 2:40:03
  Yes, yes, exactly. They get off on it, They get excited
• 2:40:07
  about it, they celebrate it, they treat it like it's a victory.
• 2:40:11
  And uh, and that's how they tell you at the top of their voice,
• 2:40:16
  don't trust me. This is the kind of person that I am so
• 2:40:20
  I don't know. Let's see if we have anything. I didn't look yet
• 2:40:24
  at brave or at brave at I keep saying brave because that's the bras I'm
• 2:40:28
  using, but at rumble. So I'm gonna double check here and make sure
• 2:40:35
  we don't. Do we have any Yes we do. The fish gut nukes
• 2:40:41
  gave us ten dollars and said kink moneys. Yeah huh. Also, he
• 2:40:54
  said before that that he recently learned that the that the lemmings instantly attack any
• 2:41:00
  thing, no matter how big. But badgers rip off heads, Yes,
• 2:41:03
  yes we do. So there there's that with that. I think of lions
• 2:41:11
  and liars. I think that's what we did tonight. Bit the balls off
• 2:41:16
  of a liar. Hopefully not though, but like he can keep his balls.
• 2:41:24
  We just actually he can keep his lies too. We just we just
• 2:41:28
  want to nip the the the social control that those lies provide in the bud.
• 2:41:41
  Let's see. Albert Nataretro says, Tate does all the stuff this channel
• 2:41:43
  has condemned women for doing. Yeah, I've I've seen a little bit that
• 2:41:46
  it's coheresive, coersive control, not cohesive control. Sex as a weapon,
• 2:41:52
  physical emotional sexual abuse. I don't think he's a big hero here, and
• 2:41:56
  I'm trying to figure out why you think he's a hero. But he's got
• 2:42:03
  to buck up his ass. That's why I mean, listen, I don't
• 2:42:09
  recall any of these people actually proclaiming to be men's rights activists. Forgive me
• 2:42:18
  if I'm wrong, Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I know,
• 2:42:20
  you know. It seems to be like one of those He's not exactly
• 2:42:26
  a pickup artist, but the guy that tells other guys how to how to
• 2:42:31
  guy correctly in his opinion. Yeah, I like if if guys listen to
• 2:42:39
  him, they're going to listen to him. If they don't, they don't.
• 2:42:43
  I personally, I think he's got some ideas that are dead wrong,
• 2:42:48
  just absolutely dead wrong. I don't know about I don't know how abusive he's
• 2:42:52
  People keep saying he's been abusive to women. I haven't seen that. I've
• 2:42:56
  seen him taking advantage of guys insecurities. Yeah, life coach Boda, that's
• 2:43:03
  about as close as you can get. Maybe he thinks he's a masculinity coach.
• 2:43:11
  But I don't know or care what he thinks or describes himself as himself
• 2:43:16
  as But you know, people seem to forget that if you don't give these
• 2:43:22
  people attention, then they don't have control over your life. You know,
• 2:43:26
  there's a world. There are people in this world who have never heard of
• 2:43:31
  Andrew Tate. Yeah, believe it or not, they know nothing about this
• 2:43:39
  and you know, so just it's just random fucking people, fresh and fit.
• 2:43:46
  I couldn't even tell you who those dudes are. Never watched a show,
• 2:43:52
  don't care. I've never watched one of Pearls show. I've never watched
• 2:43:56
  any of their shows. Don't even know. Just stin Wallerset. Don't care.
• 2:44:03
  Don't care. You know again, they hold no water here because that's
• 2:44:13
  not what we do here. And if that's what you think we do here,
• 2:44:18
  then I think you're on the wrong channel. Yeah, you know,
• 2:44:22
  I will say. I do see the influence of the men's rights movement on
• 2:44:30
  Pearl. I think she's been influenced by not necessarily this channel, but as
• 2:44:37
  a movement, she's been influenced by us as a movement. She has talked
• 2:44:41
  to MRAs and learned things from MRAs. Ye don't see the influence of the
• 2:44:46
  men's rights movement on Taate, And I don't think she's the female tait.
• 2:44:50
  I find it interesting that she looked at women's habits and concluded that women shouldn't
• 2:45:01
  vote. I think that was actually quite rational, And I mean it's the
• 2:45:07
  same conclusion Karen came to. Yeah, but no, I don't. I
• 2:45:11
  don't. I don't view any of these people as deities or as anything more
• 2:45:20
  important or bigger, or better or anything than any of the other people that
• 2:45:24
  I've run into in the manisphere. It's just they're people in the manisphere.
• 2:45:30
  They've got ideas and thoughts and beliefs and stuff, and that's that's there.
• 2:45:33
  That's fine. Don't make them larger than they are. Don't make them larger
• 2:45:39
  life. If you like us so much and you don't like knucklehead number seventy,
• 2:45:48
  then rather than coming to our channel and talking about knucklehead number seventy,
• 2:45:52
  how about you go to the channel of knucklehead number seventy and talk about us.
• 2:46:00
  Have you considered that, because that would that would get us on the
• 2:46:05
  radar rather than them. Is that not a better way to go about all
• 2:46:11
  this? Yeah? And as far as pro access, I don't resent that
• 2:46:16
  either. She started out on a different platform than we did, and it
• 2:46:20
  wasn't censored the way ours. So for instance, we started out on YouTube,
• 2:46:24
  well, we started on blog talk, and then we went to YouTube,
• 2:46:26
  and immediately YouTube began censoring us. I I don't think. I don't
• 2:46:35
  think what's it called censored her until she got big and scary to them.
• 2:46:41
  By that time it was too late. Charity had a following. Mm hmm.
• 2:46:46
  I actually kind of think, you know, I was wrong to uh
• 2:46:52
  not put effort into getting a device I could use for that platform. God,
• 2:46:56
  why can't I think of a stupid Chinese platform? It's not YouTube,
• 2:47:03
  but if it TikTok, TikTok, that what I'm talking about, Like I
• 2:47:13
  had some stupid reason I couldn't think of the term TikTok. But anyway,
• 2:47:16
  I know why. It's because I'm sleep deprived. But uh, I don't
• 2:47:20
  resent that. I just wish that I had found a way to uh get
• 2:47:24
  us the same benefit. And I missed the boat on that. So you
• 2:47:33
  know, as far as as far as that goes, like you, you
• 2:47:35
  don't resent somebody else's success. You learn from it. So if another platform
• 2:47:41
  comes along and my hang up about getting on it is you know, that
• 2:47:48
  same issue of of spying and stealing and stuff. Fine, I'll get a
• 2:47:52
  freaking burner phone or an old device like a chromebook or something and create a
• 2:47:58
  whole different profile and have it not be associated with any of my other devices,
• 2:48:05
  and that will solve the problem. But that's it. And it's like
• 2:48:11
  I said, nobody's saying that you guys aren't doing everything that you should be
• 2:48:16
  doing. It's just we're not here to be angry at and condemn people for
• 2:48:22
  being more famous than we are, or for having different opinions on how to
• 2:48:28
  approach the way that men are mistreated and feminism handicaps women, because feminism does
• 2:48:37
  handicap women, it's just men, you know. We we make sure people
• 2:48:43
  understand that we're still still saying men are the primary victims of feminism because we
• 2:48:50
  don't want we don't want our channel to become all about women. We're not
• 2:48:58
  trad cons we're not conservatives. We're not anti trad cons or anti conservatives.
• 2:49:05
  We're not communists. We're not anti communists. Well I am, but we're
• 2:49:11
  I can't say we're not anti government either, because I am. But in
• 2:49:15
  terms of we're not we're not a faction, a facet of the political spectrum.
• 2:49:24
  You know, we're we're about the issues themselves, and we're not here
• 2:49:30
  to boot people out of public discussion of these issues and what their ideas are.
• 2:49:37
  We're here to talk about the ideas themselves and say, well, the
• 2:49:43
  problem is you're looking at it from this angle, but this angle has a
• 2:49:46
  different gives you different results. You know, or have you considered this evidence
• 2:49:52
  or that approach was tried during this time period by these people with this initiative,
• 2:49:58
  and here here's what the results were, and that's why we're not doing
• 2:50:01
  it now, you know. And that kind of thing. That's how you
• 2:50:05
  hash out ideas, not purity testing and setting people on pedestals and shit like,
• 2:50:15
  don't ever put me on a pedestal. I don't have the balance I
• 2:50:18
  used to when I was a kid. I'll fall. Richard Beer gave us
• 2:50:22
  another five dollars and said, it's not the pants that make your ass look
• 2:50:26
  fat. You should have seen me six or seven months ago. It was
• 2:50:33
  definitely not the pants that made my ass look fat. So I am.
• 2:50:39
  I am down thirty five pounds and their care good job. I'm excited.
• 2:50:48
  I'm not gonna have a heart attack next week. But yeah, like there's
• 2:50:54
  lots of clever comebacks guys. Guys can make, and there's two different groups
• 2:50:58
  of men in terms of that, just like there's two different groups of women
• 2:51:01
  in terms of handling. You know, I'll handle being cold, and I'll
• 2:51:07
  perform when i have to in uncomfortable conditions. I'll perform more tasks and so
• 2:51:15
  on, because I've developed that capability. But it doesn't come naturally to me,
• 2:51:22
  and men have to develop that smart assery when it comes to it doesn't
• 2:51:26
  come naturally to most men. Too smart off to women in a way that
• 2:51:31
  are you know, the woman might view as mistreating her, it's that's not
• 2:51:35
  I don't think it comes naturally to men to treat people that way necessarily,
• 2:51:41
  where I think women we were born with a bitch gene. So yeah,
• 2:51:50
  yes, And Albert Nadaretro gave us five dollars more and said Eric July Daisy
• 2:51:54
  Cousins, Legion of myth and almost Dean Caine via Eric and Eric ju interview
• 2:52:00
  with Kine, congrats on the weight loss, Hannah, and thank you for
• 2:52:03
  all of that. And then he also gave us five dollars earlier and said,
• 2:52:07
  I promote the Badgers all the time. How do you think Brian got
• 2:52:09
  Eric July for an interview? Thank you for thank you for that. That's
• 2:52:15
  the half of the equation that's good. The other half of the equation,
• 2:52:18
  right is shut the fuck up about Andrew Tates. Oh, I mean half
• 2:52:24
  of his fame is from the feminists complaining about him. Well, and you
• 2:52:28
  know, listen, as someone who spent a couple of decades, got a
• 2:52:33
  couple of decades into my belt. In customer service, you learn that people
• 2:52:39
  who leave the reviews the most are the unsatisfied customers. They're not the happy
• 2:52:46
  customers. Happy customers go away. The unsatisfied customers they leave bad reviews.
• 2:52:52
  They go and tell all their friends. Because people love to complain, you
• 2:52:56
  know, miser misery loves company. It's just it's it's I don't know,
• 2:53:01
  it's it's it's a it's a part of the human condition, shall we say.
• 2:53:07
  And I think there's a tinge of that going on here. But you
• 2:53:13
  know, of course, you know, when when you're when you're upset,
• 2:53:16
  you want people to know about it. And you know, I to that
• 2:53:22
  end, I understand, but at some point you got to give it a
• 2:53:28
  rest. You know, we're sitting here telling you as if you haven't gotten
• 2:53:33
  the message many times before about how we feel about this subject. But you
• 2:53:39
  know, I, for one, am not going to entertain it anymore.
• 2:53:43
  Yeah, I guess my way of handling it is, you know, when
• 2:53:46
  when I see somebody saying, uh, you know, men up and just
• 2:53:50
  ask women out, my answer is going to be which ones you are point
• 2:53:56
  out? Which women that this guy can ask? Absolutely one trust are never
• 2:54:01
  going to make false allegations. And when they when they do that, I
• 2:54:05
  guarantee you I can find an example of one who did right. So there
• 2:54:13
  you go. Let's see Albert Adaretro gave us two dollars more Canadian said happy
• 2:54:20
  to help. Doc thumbs up, the Tate thing thumbs up, the Tate
• 2:54:24
  thing shrugs. What you mention this name? Yeah? My yeah, Actually
• 2:54:31
  that's my My position on him is his fame comes from pissing people off.
• 2:54:37
  So if you're pissed off, he wins. The subconscious mind doesn't understand negatives.
• 2:54:46
  If you tell yourself not to do something, your subconscious will just here
• 2:54:50
  do the thing. What is just like day before yesterday, I got I
• 2:54:56
  got into a big Twitter SmackDown, like cage match with a whole bunch of
• 2:55:01
  other other people on Twitter because of making a statement that was deliberately provocative so
• 2:55:13
  that you know, you get more attention you get people always say you draw
• 2:55:18
  more flies with honey than with vinegar, and they're wrong. You draw more
• 2:55:24
  flies with shiit. Yep, So there you go. But with that,
• 2:55:31
  I'm gonna call it boda. You are a dork just saying that's compliment.
• 2:55:41
  But but yeah, uh, with all with all that, thanks everybody for
• 2:55:48
  listening. That's all of our super chats, that's all of our super chows,
• 2:55:52
  that's all of our whatever we call the paid uh chats from rumble,
• 2:56:01
  all of our mumble tumbles. I don't know, And thanks to everybody.
• 2:56:09
  Thanks to everybody who listened to the this is kind of weird sausage, kind
• 2:56:15
  of a toxic sausage. Thanks to my two co hosts who stuck out the
• 2:56:18
  switching back and forth between this and that beds of information and talking about floods
• 2:56:24
  bullshit. And thanks to everybody who works in the background to make HBr talk
• 2:56:30
  happen. Good idol, good night, y'all.