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Talks to Mark Dodyk about his choice of Fury from the Deep (6/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  With a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast Mark.
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  Yeah. Why can't we ever go anywhere?
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  Nice. Where people are lovely.
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  Who are we going ghastly? An awful.
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  Yeah. As as an introvert, yakin are
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  totally empathize. Yes?
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  What we don't go anywhere without a staying in yeah, hoard
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  much rather, you know, controlled environment in a safe
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  box Mark. And I have a saying don't we?
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  Which we say to each other or a lot and that is people peopling.
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  Yes, if we've run out of things to see about people, it covers a
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  lot of ground. Yeah.
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  People peopling the people, I give my life.
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  Also, I will insist on peopling. Obviously I have a question for
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  you. Yeah, well, okay, so you mark
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  datuk having taken on a series of exciting Adventures through
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  time and space with her shape-changing time.
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  Traveler known only as Doctor Who, whoo, yes.
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  I know it's very exciting and however his time for you to
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  leave Eve. What have I done?
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  Well, that's what you can answer.
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  So if you was a doctor who companion, how would you choose
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  to leave? Would you like to be married off
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  to some Rando that happens to be in that story?
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  Would you like to be murdered and create, you know, the
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  prehistoric elif? Save the dinosaurs anyone else?
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  Well, would you like to just be dropped off?
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  But do do. How would you like to go?
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  Oh, gosh. Part of me thinks Noble
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  sacrifice. But hmm, that's not given it
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  that much. Thought what about yourself?
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  What would your first? Oh hello dramatic.
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  As possible. No, I want hordes of birds
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  clawing at my face. You know I've got a bomb
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  strapped to my back I'm heading away from the core of the earth
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  and I'll get beamed away but the bomb still goes off.
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  Yo the as big as Fireworks as possible.
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  You're not giving it much thought have you the worst thing
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  that would happen would be like revelation of Dolly.
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  So just you know have a polystyrene bust of myself.
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  Full of me. It it's the therapy.
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  Incredibly anti climactic. That would be.
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  Yeah, that would be something. Wouldn't mind the Perry exit.
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  You know the or the original one, not the other Wanna Marry
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  Brad blessed. I'd like to have keeps returning
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  to the totally evil despot. We've been happy an interesting
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  way to go, but it is a lottery, isn't it with these exhibits?
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  And this is a return to form after some pretty fucking
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  shocking exits in the last couple of years.
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  Yes, I think after Barbara and Ian leave, the Tardis nobody
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  really gets a very good. Send off for a while on TV
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  Stephen Mesa. I'll choice at the end of the
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  Savages. I just can't.
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  From nowhere, do do is just forgotten about what but yeah
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  after she didn't even have time to come and say goodbye sorry
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  but a polytope are halfway for a story.
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  There's no reason and then the guy just happens to be the demon
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  left speaker. Yeah.
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  Okay. More of it but I think things
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  will get better from here on in for a little while at least.
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  Yeah, this is pretty good. I think Jamie in Zoey's is very
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  moving at the end of games Heartbreaker.
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  Oh well, I probably sure it's terrible.
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  That one. Yeah, nothing to speak of.
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  Yeah. Well, I shall have a properly
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  qualified scientist or nothing at all.
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  Oh well not gonna help me then those still to be determined.
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  All right. Joe Grant as a brilliant exit.
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  Yeah thanks Sarah. Jane's is understated in a very
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  beautiful way you know I quite love and I love the fact that
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  Tom Baker and Liz leading went away and took time to work on it
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  themselves and find something that worked for them because
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  apparently what they've been given just didn't didn't meet
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  their expectation. So it's very sweet that they
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  were given the, the Liberty to do that because there was
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  clearly a very strong relationship and friendship
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  there and it and it really shows because as we're seeing in the
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  last episode, The bit where you've got Tom baby, when you've
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  got the fourth, doctor showing a bit of emotion at this.
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  Lila leaving. This is one of the only other
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  moments where the doctor seems only doesn't really a moat.
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  He's still being quite alien but it's the you know, don't you
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  forget about me the hole? Really touching, I think Ramana
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  to sex. A lot of people don't agree with
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  me, but I think that's perfect because I couldn't, I just
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  couldn't imagine that pair of them having this agonizingly,
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  long, goodbye sequence and it's just, you were the warmest room.
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  All of them all, you know, she's I just and she's off.
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  Yeah. And I think that works really
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  well, is the same. I think I've already said about
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  Tegan's, but some people including Nicola Bryant when she
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  was in the studio watching. It said, When I leave, I don't
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  want to departure like that because she everybody seems to
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  think that it's off hand and it comes from nowhere.
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  But if you spend the last three years with Tegan, you're aware
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  that she is somebody who just thinks in a moment.
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  Acts terrible time for the Deep. Yeah, it's just crazy and I and
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  when you've got Tegan circumstance, she she's somebody
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  who is impulsive and spontaneous.
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  Yes, she just goes to show what I've had enough.
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  It's really hard enough. I'm off.
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  Then she tries or is Buddy. They should have fucking been
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  another way I'll tell you. Yeah boy.
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  Yeah, buddy. Attrex is very memorable,
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  probably the most memorable. This is quite beautiful.
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  I think it's an odd choice, but it's done well and I get I get
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  it because she's very Humane person.
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  He can see is really good. Perry's is Unforgettable.
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  I even caught like Mills, I like the fact that the doctor did the
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  little speech that he has buguese, like crazy Paving and
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  there's something quite sweet about that.
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  Of course, feeling, you know, that is absolutely gonna be in
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  one of these Rusty Davis specials.
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  Pretty much had that confirmed. Yeah.
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  And I wonder if Rusty Davis would explain, what happened?
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  How she got back from a bit of rough on the nozzle.
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  A few to be really intrigued to find out what they've done and
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  what their it. What story will have to tell it?
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  Be amazing to see her back. Actually, I think it's one of
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  those characters that she had a bum deal.
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  She wasn't up to a time where it wasn't really at the height of
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  popularity within the BBC or the public perception actually
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  wasn't served. Well at all.
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  So it'd be quite nice for her to come back because you can see
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  Davies double whammy you big finish.
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  Why I think of Nice to her character there.
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  Russell T Davies doing the same thing.
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  Oh man, that would be a turn. Yeah and then of all the
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  millions of things that he was doing in power of the doctor,
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  hmm, you get that pay off of the Seventh Doctor and Isis
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  relationship as well. So that's kind of a fun story
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  where she gets to say you know, we got we left on the wrong foot
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  but I love you and these baby. Yeah I love you too, its
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  glorious. Yeah very Touching and Tegan's
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  moment when she speaks to the doctor as well.
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  I think she got in the power of the doctor.
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  I really like that is very sweet.
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  I know that I think that very touching.
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  I still can't watch those two scenes without wailing up or
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  kind of now in a place where the companions are so relevant to
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  the show. Well, then hard, just go.
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  Can I do? It's always got to be jumping
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  off, the Empire State Building or turning into a puddle of
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  water or Around an American diner with a shielder happened.
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  Small for does. Doesn't she?
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  She just she just wanders off. I like the fact that she leaves
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  on her own terms. Fuck, you Doctor mmm-hmm.
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  Yeah, but you know what, my absolute favorite is.
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  Mmm, it's the fuck. No.
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  The first I do like Susan's departure.
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  I think it is, right? The, he's a bit old but it's
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  still pretty good. I love eating and Barbara's.
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  It's long, it's like 10 minutes long, get to see how it affects
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  the doctor. You get to see them at home,
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  having fun that being happy and knowing that they've got like a
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  grand future together in terms of like payoff emotional payoff.
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  Oh yeah, having spent two years of Sort of hoping that one day
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  they may get back home, they get there, they get their happy
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  ending, that's really sweet and it's it's it's one of those ones
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  that really sets very well. I think it's probably one of one
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  of the one of the better exits. All absolutely.
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  What I think is the best motivated.
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  Exit is our little Victoria here, like she's fit into the
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  Tardis scared. She's news are trapped and and
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  we have time for out this story. To understand that enough.
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  You know, I am sick of being anxious feelings.
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  If I'm going to wet my knickers every five minutes.
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  Yeah. And it's such a child.
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  I mean it's such a sad thing because she's an orphaned child.
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  This is her surrogate family, but she's not happy with them
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  anymore, and you don't bleep with them, maybe establishing
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  the harrises, as strongly as they do, as a domestic couple in
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  our home, maybe. That it that it was done on
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  purpose. So there was, she could sort of
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  slip into that home effectively. Well, I mean, what kind of watch
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  the episode? We just spent 15 minutes to talk
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  about companion exits, but it's nice to hear your take on it.
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  Yeah, different every time you know when I talk about excess
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  just put some people. Some people love so much.
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  I know someone who thinks the departure of Donna is appalling
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  like Bleep. Betrayal of the doctor and the
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  series. I will you discuss with me
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  before where you have a dry eye for weeks.
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  Like I was grieving for a while. Yeah, he's a hard bastard.
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  Sometimes Rusty Davis, you know? Okay.
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  I mean that's I think, yeah, that's a Kickin.
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  Their cojones, that one little bit that gets me is where she's
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  like, no no not like yeah, it's just thinking about it now.
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  All the bit of the kitchen where she goes.
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  Yeah, so yeah, yeah, or you've got cribbins OSH, but she was
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  better with you. God bleep, they're coming back.
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  Sorry, she's watched hear from the defense has issued.
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  Yes, we're doctor and Donna for next year.
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  Well, you know what? I thought, maybe we should do
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  another doctor Donna episode. You know that, um, do you want a
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  new ones? Yeah.
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  Sorry. Sign me up now.
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  People are being indulgent. We're planning the next one in
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  this one. Yeah, one of you.
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  Probably won't here for a minimum 12 months, what kind of
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  sin then? Come on up and waiting 10
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  minutes. I'll do it all the time, you
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  know? Honestly I can't do much if my
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  most annoying feature is our make a big fuss about all.
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  I really want to get this in for dinner or I really want to do
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  this, so he gets it in or he does it and then we've got some
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  left and you'll go right. We're gonna have that.
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  You know, the leftover are now I can possibly that ever again.
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  I want that looks like a fucking contrary.
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  I do apologize to bring it to a common tree.
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  Yes, look at these fabulous. Spunky people.
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  Very yes. Poor, I mean if they made that
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  acts are fixing mountain. Look like that.
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  What's that? We'd sloughing all over it but
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  you send the foam rubber to my career.
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  He's got the feast. He can sell that.
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  I think if you if you were a lad that you know love it and all
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  these Suds and seaweed and things like that and he's got a
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  bit of a hangdog expression. Its yeah.
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  Stranger in the end of this episode where he's being away me
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  aboard lovely. I'm like but who the hell is
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  this? Been a Also, for the last six
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  episodes. Yeah, I'll get used to this.
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  Thank you for a lovely meal mrs. Harris, really do.
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  Yeah, you've been putting your game since there since the
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  beginning? He doesn't lose it completely
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  does it because he goes up to the fella in the wheelchair and
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  says, you know, oh, how you doing?
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  Yeah. It's like, I don't have to pay
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  scale when you work. Yeah.
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  I think they're those, that's quite a nice little moment about
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  that. Hmm.
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  Oh, here we go. She's screaming her head off.
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  Look I wonder if that I come in useful.
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  Maybe it might benefit all gosh. All while one blah, blah, blah.
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  That's amazing. You should do the Foley asleep
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  sound effects, but they create It's kind of a bit alien and
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  weird, isn't it? It's really hard.
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  Yeah. And it's not a Deborah Watling
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  scream now, who is it? It's Margo, he whose scream.
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  Oh, what a whole lot higher is almost, hey, ho or enough self
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  offer. Screaming Doctor Who mmm.
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  She's great. She's lovely.
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  She's always comes across as babe.
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  Remembers a lot from back there. Yeah.
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  Well, they actually interviewed more of these sort of a more
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  than some of the behind the scenes crew.
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  There's one or forgotten her name but she was on the demons.
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  Like what I was just thinking about the LD I was going on
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  about going up top of the church.
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  Yeah and she just seems like such a gossip must have gotten
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  the stories out of her. I think it's sue someone.
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  Yeah. No Sue Malden.
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  That's all right. No, I think that no that's that,
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  she's the BBC. Archive selector was that not
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  that super molten Sue, vertue, owner Steven Moffat wife and
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  it's a su I suspect so soon it may not be a super tall.
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  Some of your good luck to them about the Chemistry Between the
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  leads are while. Never is it more exemplified
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  then here, when this isn't even the red zone Oh yeah, sailing
• 16:18
  quite a crazy scenario. I can't imagine that.
• 16:21
  They had that massive tentacle coming out of the war though,
• 16:24
  like that. No, I think that's one of the
• 16:27
  animations Liberties. You know what it is?
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  Is proper Creature from the Black Lagoon.
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  Isn't it is great? Yeah, they're going for a bit of
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  a bit B-movie serious baby. Yeah, I'll fit and by all
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  accounts, like we're never going what he did was Thank you,
• 16:46
  David, the director. So he filmed half of the loop
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  and then he filmed the other half of the loop and I need any
• 16:56
  editing the two together yet, make it looks thing.
• 16:58
  That's like if this improper for winter.
• 17:01
  Yeah, look, well Triton wouldn't leave the ground either so they
• 17:07
  had the propellers going at a low enough read, but it looked
• 17:11
  as though it was in motion and he stole a pram.
• 17:15
  Apparently Daughters or somebody, somebody had to have a
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  pram handy and they just put the camera in that and rushed it
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  passed to give the give that give the illusion.
• 17:27
  I've got to be honest like you know pedal that story now but
• 17:30
  how about fills my first Doctor Who story and then how you know
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  I wet the bed the night because I thought the girl died in the
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  in the water tank at the end of episode, two of you watch any
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  more. Yeah, thank God.
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  I watching back then a nine years old watching this So I
• 17:46
  would have been an absolute stay.
• 17:47
  I'll tell ya. I can't handle kept mcculloch's
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  gay disco music. Oh.
• 17:53
  Hell, yes. Well, the hinge Khedira.
• 17:56
  I forgot to watch the his career as a child nurse what's-her-name
• 17:59
  nurse Lamont. Uh-huh.
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  This still about. That's it, mr.
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  Lamont who had a passing resemblance to my mum.
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  Wait. Oh, What were those crazy over
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  stereo eyes? Yeah, well guess I'm in the
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  morning which is never glasses on.
• 18:15
  She looked very much like sister lament.
• 18:16
  Did you feel like you were going to be brain with a rock every
• 18:19
  day? Sometimes.
• 18:21
  Yes my oh my. Oh my God, it's happening again.
• 18:39
  The secret with Harry and Sarah in the barn, long visuals.
• 18:43
  Yeah, it was his face when he came out Darkness with a
• 18:46
  pitchfork. Yeah, that's, you know, in
• 18:49
  martyr didn't get a lot of stuff to work with but he's a totally
• 18:51
  different character in. He's the Saigon I think Robert
• 18:55
  Holmes was onto something. When he went down, the
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  procession route because it was adults behaving in a strange
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  way. The scared me more than
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  anything. Not the monster.
• 19:03
  Scare me a bit naff, but adults that were probably scared or
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  behave. In Sinister way that really yeah
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  or things like in the seeds in the seeds of Doom and infernal.
• 19:17
  The thing I couldn't work out what it was four years, this
• 19:20
  scared me so much about them, but it's a fear of losing
• 19:22
  control of yourself, mmm. And something else.
• 19:28
  Everything Oliver. Yeah, because I was like, I
• 19:30
  couldn't pin what it was body horror, losing losing control
• 19:34
  your body or, you know, the green death, certain stories
• 19:37
  that really as a young kid 8:00 the the bit for me was the end
• 19:44
  of episode six and that is knowing you're going to die that
• 19:48
  idea as a child. Really frightened me.
• 19:51
  And there's a couple of moments in classic Doctor Who I think we
• 19:55
  talked about chalak, in case of androzani that big one realizes
• 19:58
  and he screams because he knows he's about to die, it's scary.
• 20:04
  It's and it's and it's really it shows you how sensibilities of
• 20:09
  changed because these are things Things that I don't think they
• 20:11
  would ever see him Doctor Who again, but there's things that
• 20:13
  we see in Doctor Who know that the classic run would never have
• 20:17
  touched because of sensibilities.
• 20:19
  And the changes sensibilities of the viewership.
• 20:21
  I don't know though, you know what more fitting Dark Water,
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  please don't burn me. Don't remind me.
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  Yeah. That was that ever?
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  So glad I've been was as a child, I would have gone through
• 20:32
  some existential crisis, is I'll tell ya.
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  Yeah. Well also as well, my mother was
• 20:38
  cremated so I found the idea a bit offensive.
• 20:41
  There's no yeah, it's somebody should have been going, thats a
• 20:47
  bit risky, that one. But awesome.
• 20:51
  I mean, I have my doubts, the ambition of being that person, I
• 20:55
  just think that was a bit tasteless.
• 20:57
  Yeah, certainly backgrounds have fear for the Deep.
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  A very odd choices made in this is everyone leaves Just this
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  once everyone leaves everybody lives but they all have some
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  real Speed Demon. Well, we don't know what the
• 21:16
  long-term repercussions will be for these poor people, because
• 21:18
  they've clearly had some very traumatic experiences.
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  Mrs. Harris. Walked onto the stage.
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  She's gonna be traumatized for life.
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  Exactly. Yes.
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  Because she brings a bubble bath.
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  You have a breakdown. Uh-huh.
• 21:29
  Exactly. She's never going to use meaty
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  bubbles. Again are right.
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  Ask you a question. Have you ever had a bubble bath
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  and pretended? It was the phone from jury from
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  the deep. Did you not see my tweet?
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  Oh yes, I did. Oh, I thought that was just, you
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  know, like nude by on Twitter, even venusian?
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  Don't you pretend, you're above that sort of have you see my
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  halo? I mean, I can reach any consult,
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  they want this marvelous. Hmm, all going on, what we got?
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  Razor, Gregory exact name of Jesus Christ.
• 22:36
  I'll tell you what you can't do a single tweet about a story of.
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  I am chipping in Coop, what tickles got something to see.
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  Actually quite controversial, you know, sir, prepare yourself
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  that seemed so, so far so good. One of the best companion
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  departures because like Jewel, grants its planned properly and
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  walls and through the story from the start.
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  But the question has for us because usually, a question,
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  hmm. How much foam is too much foam?
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  Oh man, I can't get enough of it.
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  Honestly, you can cover me in it.
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  I cannot get enough of it. Are you thinking of you know
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  what, right when he first come on this thing?
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  Yeah, it was kind of stop it. Stop being rude.
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  So now he's the one that he's the Catalyst for all this filth.
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  It just keeps on coming on his throne and looking like an
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  innocent. And then we've got this.
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  I heart, I'll bloody hell. All the regulars here, come on,
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  lets it Go and it's actually just a whole lot of not doing
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  much and then it stops Everything feels like it's
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  delaying anything actually happening.
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  I don't think is entirely wrong as well.
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  There is a long stretches of not a lot happening.
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  Yeah and like we said it's not until about halfway through
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  episode 5 that it all really kicks off.
• 24:06
  But something is happening right now.
• 24:07
  There's foam literally filling up.
• 24:10
  They have to form parties under me.
• 24:11
  Looking got my intensity and at the controls of a Grizzly
• 24:15
  looking we'd creature. Yeah, me out of it.
• 24:19
  Anyone else Daniel night are lovely dark.
• 24:24
  This is the stylophone takes away some of the Menace and
• 24:28
  robsons another dodgy show T boss leader but Victor.
• 24:32
  Modernist performance is very good.
• 24:35
  The Not a shout and in this season and they're a lot harder
• 24:38
  shouting. Yeah, the last episode is quite
• 24:42
  emotional for a treatment facility which we've touched
• 24:44
  upon, especially after the rush exit for poor Ben and Polly.
• 24:49
  I would agree with that. Yeah, it's a very strong female
• 24:53
  character. We completely neglected to
• 24:55
  mention. I think she might be the best
• 24:56
  one. Who's that Gemma?
• 24:58
  Corwin, from Wheeling space. She's pretty good eye.
• 25:03
  She's quiet. Yeah, I would like that.
• 25:05
  Certain were terribly, you know, he does, he seems to have taken
• 25:08
  quite a shine to her, even more than Astrid farrier.
• 25:11
  Do I have to get out of this bed?
• 25:12
  Oh good. I don't.
• 25:14
  Hmm, snuggle up with me, Jim a Corwin.
• 25:21
  Let me see. Does anybody ever did it today?
• 25:25
  David to the, did he won? Oh, David, he won.
• 25:28
  Oh, David. The did he want my personal
• 25:30
  information by? Yes, that did.
• 25:32
  Who fan says I love this story, full of atmosphere and chills, a
• 25:37
  great companion, departure that is very emotional, and the end
• 25:40
  of episode, two, always gives me chills sat down there in the
• 25:44
  darkness waiting. Yes.
• 25:46
  So, somebody zombie agrees with that one, open-ended suspense
• 25:51
  lines. Yes, I've been left in
• 25:53
  suspenders, I don't do. I agree with him either.
• 25:56
  That's true. Is we said this event, a sweet
• 25:58
  story. This you can put a positive and
• 26:00
  a negative reading on it. It's all Disney here because it
• 26:03
  feels totally so different. And I think that's why I don't
• 26:07
  quite know what to make of it. But we've puzzled this out and
• 26:11
  there's a lot going for it. Toby, hey, do said recently that
• 26:15
  this growing up, this was his favourite Doctor Who story and
• 26:19
  understand someone giving it that reading is got everything
• 26:22
  you could possibly want, right? Carol work monsters.
• 26:25
  This scares, you know, doctor and companions at their height.
• 26:29
  It's a heart is right as well. There's a lot of long, bloody
• 26:32
  scenes of, not much happier times, he's quite, it's
• 26:36
  obviously very fine balance. We've got Dave Rennie another
• 26:41
  sexy accent gold. Lovely.
• 26:43
  Dave Fury is a real chill. Chill.
• 26:46
  Oh very clever using Victoria's constant screaming as part of
• 26:50
  the solution and she gave chose a better moment.
• 26:53
  It's she's doing it right now in it right now seaweed has never
• 26:58
  been as scary as it is here. Quite a few people responded
• 27:05
  actually I don't think I'll go through them all but yeah come
• 27:07
  on. We see people.
• 27:08
  See people say it's Exquisite who said that that was Brian
• 27:12
  ferrill. ATS is it?
• 27:15
  Absolutely exquisite exquisite what I want to hear them all.
• 27:19
  I want to hear them all Dan Hollingsworth, one of the best
• 27:22
  from that year, lots of creepy moments and I always enjoy a
• 27:26
  community that has monsters in it.
• 27:29
  But like that. Yeah, my big monster is at the
• 27:31
  heart of the community Alistair Bassett.
• 27:34
  I love the stories where the enemy is never properly
• 27:37
  explained. This is one of them.
• 27:39
  Yeah. Mysterious and very watchable
• 27:42
  and the animation is great. My good work or who else?
• 27:46
  Have we got? Who else have we got?
• 27:49
  And all of a sudden. Okay, sir.
• 27:53
  Oh, what games are like? Hey, what?
• 27:56
  What? Lots of gallantry podcast?
• 27:59
  Oh my God, she's saying it blew my loyal, his bloody Gorgeous.
• 28:03
  I'll tell you what. So I go anyway, the thumping
• 28:09
  heartbeat, the Menace, waiting in the pipeline Fury, is an
• 28:12
  underrated classic creeper, Epilogue with one of the best
• 28:15
  companion. Departures plus the creepy
• 28:18
  Cliffhanger to part. Where Maggie Harris walks slowly
• 28:21
  into the deep one of Trojans best.
• 28:24
  Now I agree with all of that. I don't think it's something
• 28:26
  right though, I think this is easy.
• 28:29
  Yeah, I think it ranks. Pretty, highly am because I had
• 28:32
  to look in my research has to try and figure out where it
• 28:37
  ranks and hoping and it's fairly consistently a highly ranked in
• 28:43
  1998 Doctor Who fans nominated it. 20 best story of all times.
• 28:49
  Hey Faith. Wow, top 30.
• 28:51
  Okay 2003 it's Up to number 38. Okay so it's gone downhill.
• 28:58
  Yeah already helped my still top 40.
• 29:00
  Come 2009, 41 idea. What's going on.
• 29:04
  I've got new who by then but still shows great.
• 29:07
  It's going to be in the Twin delivers place.
• 29:09
  Come from 2022. Yeah.
• 29:11
  Give or take. And the last time they did a
• 29:14
  doctor who Paul, which I think is probably the last time we may
• 29:16
  see any. It was a number 69 but there are
• 29:21
  more stories on there. There's all there's more stories
• 29:24
  coming. So, I'm guessing that sort of
• 29:26
  reordering of, yeah, that kind of makes sense.
• 29:29
  This is the new Hudak Wildlife. That's that's, that's top-tier,
• 29:33
  isn't? It was still the 12th highest
• 29:35
  ranked story of the 60s? What is that?
• 29:40
  All the tweets, all, let me see. Let me see Andy Parkinson,
• 29:47
  antique my eyesight, Andy, one of my very first hamster, extra
• 29:52
  subscribers. Hope you enjoy.
• 29:54
  So again, and excellent. Andy, Andy.
• 29:58
  I really enjoyed it. The animation is superb.
• 30:01
  Victor modern, please, the descent into madness.
• 30:03
  Brilliantly. Reminds me a bit of Nicholson in
• 30:06
  The Shining and all canned quill, or super creepy.
• 30:09
  And I love the music score. And of course, it's the first
• 30:12
  time we see the Sonic Screwdriver, which we haven't
• 30:14
  touched upon at all. Well, it's just really a
• 30:17
  screwdriver, isn't it? Just so it turns up and then
• 30:20
  disappears, but it's still don't screw on a pipe but it is.
• 30:22
  Yeah, yeah, Big Mo Moment notable first appearance,
• 30:27
  Robert. Manners, I find the incidental
• 30:30
  music, very atmospheric. And the story makes for this
• 30:32
  really makes for interesting story within this season 5
• 30:35
  cereals. I've Relentless stream of
• 30:39
  positivity here. Yeah.
• 30:40
  And I think I heart, who doesn't like it.
• 30:42
  Yeah, everybody else seems to be on the same.
• 30:45
  Wavelength about this one. We've got David Bickerstaff
• 30:48
  seeing. It's extremely Sinister.
• 30:50
  David Bickerstaff isn't that the fellow from Harry Potter?
• 30:54
  That's as shown? I don't know why I'm still alive
• 30:57
  is because they'll fit just as cute as Sean Big Stuff.
• 31:00
  Hmm, let me see. And Tim Smith guy at Tim Smith
• 31:05
  guy. Love it.
• 31:07
  Robson is a greedy bastard of a villain.
• 31:09
  Even before he gets taken over, these are great bastard of a
• 31:14
  visit great together and the music's awesome and really adds
• 31:22
  to the feel of mounting dread interesting.
• 31:24
  That the monster is not an alien but something that was here the
• 31:27
  whole time. Yeah, that is pretty creepy.
• 31:32
  Oh, Tim Allen be all lovely June.
• 31:36
  Jim Jim. If you took all the base,
• 31:39
  Commander's from Trading, Sera, and put them together in a room,
• 31:42
  which one would come out on top. I got Jemaine in terms of their
• 31:48
  ability as a base commander or Isotope in the forest taking
• 31:55
  command of you in. Okay well let's do both both.
• 31:59
  I'd say the best base commander is probably is it leader Clint
• 32:10
  Now, he's rubbish either. He's he's got really nice
• 32:13
  earrings. As a Layman penley.
• 32:14
  There's there's something going on there.
• 32:16
  We definitely the top in that relationship and that is the
• 32:20
  best place Commander than, is it a person from the moon base?
• 32:26
  He's quite commanding and he's pretty competent as like a
• 32:29
  strong daddy Vibes. Oh, you're talking about Tapas
• 32:33
  in a tan? Yeah, I'll know if I think in
• 32:39
  terms of that we say is General Cutler from the tenth planet.
• 32:47
  Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 32:48
  You didn't want to mess with him under any circumstance.
• 32:51
  You'd be chomping away on a cigar once you're done as well.
• 32:58
  Everybody. I think I've covered everybody.
• 33:00
  I apologize to anybody that I have not mentioned by retweeted
• 33:03
  a few time as and I think I lost track.
• 33:06
  Nothing. You got it.
• 33:07
  You got a good number of responses them all.
• 33:09
  Yes. Okay so we've we're in the
• 33:12
  extended coder now we've had the rather Charming dinner scene.
• 33:16
  Yes. Where is bit?
• 33:18
  Weird? Odisha, Victoria sleep at the
• 33:20
  table? It's going to come on.
• 33:21
  Victoria wake up. I think a bit I'll tell you if I
• 33:26
  like the guests over my house, they fell asleep halfway through
• 33:28
  dinner. I would not consider that an
• 33:31
  endorsement of my company. This is sweet, Jamie a mix of
• 33:38
  Moria and he really doesn't want her to go to see it clearly.
• 33:43
  Yeah, he's clearly really taken with her and he's slightly
• 33:48
  affronted that she wouldn't want to see with him.
• 33:52
  No longer Jamie's always coming. Yeah, it's all fine.
• 33:56
  But the thing is, he doesn't love her enough to leave the
• 33:58
  doctor. And he always was gonna love the
• 34:02
  doctor, the most, in fact, his departure, where the time those
• 34:06
  force him to go home? That's the only way that was
• 34:09
  ever going to happen. Yeah, I think he's one of the
• 34:12
  companions that we do have stayed by the doctors side in
• 34:15
  definitely nothing would have persuaded him otherwise It's the
• 34:19
  ultimate Bromance, isn't it? Oh yeah, there's there were such
• 34:22
  a strong bond between them. There's a couple laughing the
• 34:26
  complex. I think the fourth doctor and
• 34:28
  Harry, could they could have made something brilliant of
• 34:31
  that. I think I would, my dream had a
• 34:35
  story in mind. I would have liked if hiring a
• 34:38
  Dropped In and Out. Sort of sporadically, just did a
• 34:42
  story a season or two, but imagine him meeting Lila
• 34:47
  marvelous. Larry me to Lila come on old
• 34:50
  girl. You say I'll call again and I'll
• 34:52
  break your nose. Yeah.
• 34:53
  And he would just spend a lot of his time with steady on what I
• 34:58
  see. Oh Jamie kiss, Victoria on the
• 35:02
  head. Does that happen in the that's
• 35:05
  very sweet. I just think all of this as well
• 35:08
  as quite moving because there's like extended silence sequences
• 35:13
  of her, just standing on the beach.
• 35:16
  Watching them go. We've never had anything like
• 35:17
  this before. Now is really unusual and you've
• 35:20
  got the even definitely semsem is using a cue from the evil of
• 35:24
  the Daleks. Uses Victorious theme again in
• 35:27
  that little bit of internal continuity, which is quite
• 35:30
  unusual at this time of the series history as well.
• 35:33
  So it's it's obviously everybody within the production is giving
• 35:37
  it a lot of time and a lot of thought and I do like how Jamie
• 35:41
  is kind of petulant in a minute as well as on.
• 35:43
  I'm keeping it where we go, you know, what?
• 35:46
  If one of these are come with its Pisces like Oh well, okay,
• 35:50
  off to the next adventure, we saw day quickly, but hey, that's
• 35:54
  supposed benefits this to get some well, actually, the real
• 35:57
  space. You could probably waste a lot
• 35:58
  of time, mooning over Victoria's loss and not particular robot.
• 36:06
  Yeah, with a Kleenex box fee with the music from the web
• 36:11
  Planet playing around. It's very strange.
• 36:16
  Yeah, I really like this. I think it's strange because two
• 36:20
  of my least favorite companions. Victorian a jurek.
• 36:24
  Get two of the best Exes Are there specific just happy?
• 36:27
  They go in but that maybe maybe that might feed into it as well.
• 36:33
  No doubt, they are genuinely. It's almost time.
• 36:36
  I don't think, you know, the right is going.
• 36:38
  They'll they've been able to survive going to give them a
• 36:40
  great ending. Hmm.
• 36:42
  It just happens to be that they deliver something pretty bloody
• 36:45
  spectacular. Yeah, well, Mark, at the end of
• 36:49
  this, yes, commentary, I forgot we were doing then it's just, I
• 36:54
  mean issue. Yeah, just blathering.
• 36:58
  We need to figure three reasons of Peace as to why we would
• 37:02
  recommend through the day. I don't think this is going to
• 37:04
  be too difficult and let's start with you.
• 37:07
  Oh? Missy Dudley Simpson score.
• 37:14
  It's I got I really enjoyed I like the atmosphere of brings to
• 37:17
  the story. You know.
• 37:19
  It's it's a it's a it's a favorite of mine and I quite
• 37:21
  like the fact that a few of the cues still exist like listening
• 37:24
  to them on your as a few compilations they've cropped up
• 37:27
  on in the past. So yeah, vote for me I'm gonna
• 37:32
  say the genuine scarce in this story and I think there is
• 37:39
  something they It's very effective.
• 37:40
  Good season for Life, fear this. Well before this I mean kids
• 37:44
  just one safe watching Doctor Who in this period but it's
• 37:48
  Carla got everything is got a bit of body horror.
• 37:51
  It's got a bit of a monster of the week.
• 37:55
  It's got a bit of possession is my tapping into all of those
• 37:58
  different fears. And by all accounts, I the
• 38:02
  sequence we've open quill, overcoming Maggie Harris
• 38:07
  directed the fuck out of this and Did not hold back.
• 38:11
  You didn't care if I was kids were traumatized.
• 38:14
  Yeah. Bravo for that cuz I think his
• 38:16
  could do with a little scaring some time, so definitely
• 38:20
  wholeheartedly agree. One of them is going to be
• 38:25
  slightly off-kilter so it's not so much about what was done at
• 38:31
  the time. It's about what's been done with
• 38:32
  it now and I'm going to praise Market ears.
• 38:36
  Hmm for what he does with this own tracks because it seems you
• 38:40
  know there's some of the stuff that he's done a special on 60s
• 38:43
  and early 70s. Don't you really knock the
• 38:45
  original soundtracks? He's made them say.
• 38:47
  No absolutely brilliant. And he's but instead I think
• 38:49
  there's a 5.1 stereo mix on this.
• 38:53
  East. It doesn't get enough.
• 38:55
  Praise for the work. They does.
• 38:57
  I don't think enough people. Plenty of people probably don't
• 39:01
  fully appreciate what he manages to do.
• 39:02
  To keep the same traps these stories Tip-Top.
• 39:07
  What you did at is absolutely responsible for the animations
• 39:10
  that we got, because it was his soundtracks that they were had
• 39:13
  to marry up with it. So, yeah, because some good ones
• 39:16
  out there. We are, lots of things like that
• 39:19
  animated but some unusual choices like Galaxy 4, which is
• 39:25
  absolutely tedious, but scraps are quite well as animation.
• 39:28
  Yeah, Okay, then let the my my second thing you're my second
• 39:33
  thing is going to be very obviously Victoria's departure
• 39:38
  and just how sensitive it is and how well played it is and how
• 39:43
  they lean into just, how much these actors love working
• 39:45
  together and really sad about leaving each other.
• 39:48
  I think it is one of those times when the line is crossed and
• 39:52
  it's not the characters and the actors and it's just really
• 39:55
  beautifully done in a way that classic Who Often pause talking
• 40:02
  about his characters like that. So, yeah, I really really nice.
• 40:05
  Yeah, it's nice and it's such a, I think 80 followed a character
• 40:09
  for a year or so it's great. It's nice that she gets a proper
• 40:13
  send-off in her decent send-off and isn't off hand or just
• 40:18
  ditched as other companions. Prior to her might've been get
• 40:22
  our own kind of Gallifrey. Yeah, okay, sure whatever.
• 40:29
  Time I should be going. Mmm.
• 40:32
  I left sort of my body like 40 for sure but it could think of
• 40:40
  third thing. Managed to cover quite a lot of
• 40:48
  ground on this and praise quite a lot of bits and pieces.
• 40:54
  I think Although Victor modern. Falls into being up by this
• 41:01
  stage. We've had a lot of show T base.
• 41:03
  Commander's, I'm going to nominate Victor matter and
• 41:05
  because he seems to he's quite big name for the series.
• 41:13
  Yeah, and he does, he does it. The rule says he does it
• 41:17
  justice? It's probably one of the better
• 41:20
  base. Commander's of this series of
• 41:21
  that era. I'm gonna nominate here, being
• 41:27
  wouldn't be Robeson. Awful to work for him but it's
• 41:32
  quite fun. Watching him having a nervous
• 41:34
  breakdown yes that's videos. Which sort of makes, it makes
• 41:38
  his wickedness, it balances out a wee bit.
• 41:41
  Well I could mention the direction I could mention like
• 41:45
  the domestic angle. This story takes actually, I
• 41:49
  want to single out, Megan Jones because it could have been a
• 41:52
  very tossed, her own field Doctor, Who story, and then she
• 41:56
  steps in in episode 4. And is brilliant, and we sort of
• 42:03
  very commanding, very smart believes dr.
• 42:07
  Straight away, like nobody else knows, she's also viz Zoo, who's
• 42:12
  the solution in this room. She realizes her is straight
• 42:14
  away with lovely little character touches lying,
• 42:18
  snapping, like her seen With Robson.
• 42:21
  Just a really, really strong role for a woman.
• 42:26
  And yeah, I always say that should be so, Applauding classic
• 42:29
  who oh definitely especially in that in that Yura.
• 42:35
  Well not what we going next. Where are we going next?
• 42:40
  Today, we've mentioned a lot, a ton of stories that we can do
• 42:42
  together, but what's the one we determined on this very podcast.
• 42:48
  Are we going to be doing the long game?
• 42:49
  Next. That's a bold Choice.
• 42:52
  Looks like the long game. Okay.
• 42:55
  Yeah, so people have just had to listen to me for six episodes.
• 42:58
  Let's give them a free. I think, you know, from the
• 43:02
  stats that actually people don't mind that so much.
• 43:06
  Each to their own all right? Indeed long game.
• 43:09
  Okay, the mighty jagrafess of the Holy, the mighty jagrafess
• 43:13
  of the Holy hydrojet, hardly had to just sit Max Roden, Fulani
• 43:17
  that on purpose, doesn't it? So you can't say it.
• 43:19
  That's correct. Halibut.
• 43:20
  Aureus that to Simon Pegg? Is that fabulous woman Kafka?
• 43:28
  I think she's pretty good in that as well.
• 43:30
  She's good at. You've got a Maxwell Martin in
• 43:33
  it as well. The ultimate top of Doctor Who
• 43:36
  Christopher Eccleston home. Wow, that sounds absolutely
• 43:44
  marvellous for determine a date and I will just say to you until
• 43:48
  next time, thank you very much for your time.
• 43:51
  Bye.