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The Voice's Sasha Allen on Ariana Grande, Adore Delano & Label Drama | Delulu with Ryan Lu #306 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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Did you shit yourself when Ariana like confronted you on
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that? Yes, because I was like, Oh my
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God, I don't want her to think that because that just sucks.
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They ultimately like blamed me for her leaving Twitter.
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They did not. They did because they hate that
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I was getting was like kind of crazy.
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She tweeted something that was like the hate against Jim and
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Sasha is really crazy and disheartening.
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And then she like took down her Twitter and they just didn't
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like me and they were like, who the fuck is this little twink
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dude? Hang out with Ariana.
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Hey, Bestie Lulus, and welcome back to Delulu and welcome to
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today's guestie. You might recognize him from the
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Voice and his incredible songwriting and music.
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Please welcome Sasha Allen. Hi.
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Hi. Thank you so much for being.
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Here. I'm so happy to be here.
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Oh my God, I'm really happy to have you here.
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Like honestly, I was like in a super bad mood before you got
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here and now I'm like, you're kind of really fun and easy to
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talk to. Thank you.
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Really appreciate you talk to. I feel like you're.
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Chill, thank you. No, I feel like I felt bad
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'cause I'm. I was like dealing with
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something right before you got here that.
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Sucks I'd be crashing out. I was low.
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Key like Oh my God why did I open my phone before we started
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shooting? And it's OK to crash out a
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little bit you. Kind of I'm good like now we're
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good to go, but Oh my gosh, I'm really excited to have you here.
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I'm. Excited.
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We have a lot to get into. We talked about some things
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before the show and I like. I hope that you'll repeat all of
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it. I will.
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OK, cool. Well, OK.
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Sasha, you said that you're not from LA.
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You said you're from Connecticut.
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Yes. OK.
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So give us the Sasha origin story.
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What's going on over here? My God.
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So I grew up in Connecticut. I lived in Connecticut till I
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was literally 21 years old. So I've only lived here for
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three years. Like I was like small town
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Connecticut. Really.
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Because you referenced being 21 in David and Goliath.
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Yes, but that he. Came out last year, no.
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Yes, because you're like 24. Now, now I'm 24, but that was
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more like because that was like about the times.
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But I totally, yeah, like I got signed to a label while I was
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still living in Connecticut. And then I moved to like, like I
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had to transition from like the Voice and then going back to
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Connecticut and then being like, how do I move to LA?
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And I just like, got an apartment like sight unseen.
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And I had never like, I never I like, I had never even driven
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around here. I feel like that's such like the
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standard LA story. People just like end up going to
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a label and they just like, OK, here I am now I'm going to start
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living. Here, yes, Yeah.
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I was like, I have to be there. Like I can't be in Connecticut
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and I don't want to live in fucking New York.
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So like, I have to just go to LA, Yeah. 100% Well, he's a
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place to be, especially as a creative.
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Well, I guess New York too. But like, I think the music
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industry and honestly all the entire entertainment industry is
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here. In LA and the weather.
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Oh, in LA, yes, it's like so much better.
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So much better I lived in. New York and it was.
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I had the worst seasonal depression and I still have it.
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I didn't. Have it so bad like I can't beat
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EI can't do. It I can't, you know, when it
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was a cloudy like a couple weeks ago, that shit hit me hard.
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Yeah, it's like so nice today. It's so sunny.
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Today I know I like endless summer.
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Me too. It's endless summer.
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That's what I love about LA too. And the weather is so good.
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OK, but TTT so you end up coming here from Connecticut?
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Wait, so was the voice in LA? Yes, so that was my first time
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in LA was just going to the voice, but then I'm like locked
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down in this hotel and I'm just like on reality TV.
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So then it was like I never really got to experience LA.
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Like the most I experienced it was I was finally free from the,
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I don't want to say free from the voice, but once I got off of
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it, I could like explore and I like walked down the main road
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in West Hollywood and I was like, this is crazy.
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And then I like it's. Like you're living a movie.
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Yes, yeah. I was like just observing it and
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then I went full on and lived there and like moved here and
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had to figure it out. That's crazy.
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Wait, so how did the voice come about?
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Oh my God, the voice came about. I was in Community College
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online trying to get a degree in graphic design and I hated in my
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life and just wanted to die and everything sucks.
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Wait, why? Graphic design.
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Because I can draw. And I was like, what else am I
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going to get a degree in? Like whatever.
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And then I was like, this sucks, but.
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Did you always want to sing? Yeah, that was my dream.
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Like ever since I was little. And I just felt like lost, like
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I'm in the middle of Connecticut and I'm like, what do I do?
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Like, what do I do and how do I do this?
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And. Yeah, that's a scary thought.
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Yeah, and all. Creatives go through that where
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it's like fuck. Yeah, like, what, am I going to
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fail? And then that sucks for me
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forever. And I was trying to do the
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Tiktok thing, which like was working a little bit, but it was
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still like, what is my life going to be?
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And then my dad was like, let's go on The Voice.
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And I was like, we're not going to get on The Voice.
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Like this is stupid. I don't even want to like do
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this audition video. Like this is dumb.
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We're not going to get on The Voice.
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Like we are not the voice people.
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And then we ended up getting on The Voice, obviously.
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And like every audition round, I was like, dad, we're not going
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to get on The Voice. And then it became clear that we
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sounded like we sounded good and our story was really good.
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Like dad with his transgender son.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Like that's a gold.
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You know 100%. And they loved it, yes, they
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wanted it. And I was like, wait a minute,
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we are going to be on The Voice. And my dad and I were not a duo
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before The Voice. Like we just sang together
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because we were like, this will work and like they'll want this.
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Like my dad was like, they're not going to want me.
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And like, you could, you could audition like by yourself too,
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and they probably want you. But if we went on together, we'd
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probably get on. And we did.
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Did you go in with the intention of like, maybe like, OK, we're
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coming with an angle now. Like there's a little bit of an
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appeal here because it's like, like exactly what?
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You said, yeah, I was. I was aware also because like of
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the angle, because I was like, Oh my God, I'm going to be
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openly transgender in front of everyone.
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And that's going to be like, like they did the home visit.
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They did the whole package. They came to Connecticut and
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filmed and did the whole background and everything.
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And so it was super like I knew that that was going to be a part
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of the story and I had to be gentle and really mindful about
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how I handled that because I was like, a lot of people watch this
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show and a lot of people in like Midwest vibe like they watch the
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voice. It's such a show that's just on
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in the living room and people are, you know what I mean?
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It's like a living room show. It's a TV show like.
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Like background noise, but people are watching.
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It and like, so I, I was really, I was like, I have to be mindful
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about this and my goal going into it was just like, I'm going
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to, I didn't think I'd make it past the blind audition at all,
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at all. I, I was like, I am so happy.
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I'm just going to be on TV and I'm just going to try and milk
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this to its fullest. Yeah.
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And I'm going to do it and that's it.
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Because I don't think we're making it through.
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Because I looked at the people around me and I was like, these
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people are insane. Like gospel singers,
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motherfuckers. Like they're incredible.
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These teams are going to fill up.
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Some people who are there don't even get to audition because the
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teams, like, fill up. Like the judges, teams fill.
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Up and so crazy. Crazy.
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So like, they stay there for weeks and then they're like,
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hey, the teams are full. So I don't know if that would
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happen, but I felt hopeful because they gave us the whole
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TV package totally. So yeah, I didn't expect to make
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it far at all. Oh my God, at all.
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But then OK, how's the experience being on The Voice
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then? It was, it was really unique and
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I'm feel really lucky to have done it and I would never do it
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ever again like it was. I think people underestimate the
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intensity of reality TV and the like.
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Oh my God. We'd be in a recording studio
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until 2:00 in the morning, and then at 6:00 in the morning we'd
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have to be camera ready and have a song memorized because we're
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singing with Keke Palmer and it's like for the Christmas
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special for like Sing 2 or something.
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Like how crazy. It became crazy.
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Like it got too crazy to the point that when I was eliminated
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I was like. Were you relieved?
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I was so relieved. I didn't want to win that.
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Show no way, no one. Wants to win that show that's on
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there straight up I feel like. Voice winners don't even win
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because like, I don't even know what happens after, you know?
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They got, they get, if they win the same exact contract that I
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got with Republic records really.
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And what happened to me with Republic?
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Clocking right, that's. True, like you know, and the
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winners so. Either way, you all lose.
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The winners of my season just got dropped by Republic Records.
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Oh. Shit, no, they.
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Just got dropped so I'm like and it's a really like.
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Tight. They feel like freed though.
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Yeah, now they feel free because they were like, you try and make
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it work and then it just doesn't work and you get stuck in a
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contract that people look at and they're like, this contract
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sucks. Like it is not in your favor.
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You sign it before you're even on the show.
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Oh, shit. Like you can't be on the show
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unless you sign. Like hey, I'm agreeing.
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Because they're putting out the singles and stuff.
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Yes. Yeah, and.
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So you're already owned when you're on there and it looks
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like a dream and then it's not. And so I was very happy to be
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off. I just wanted like, you want
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like airtime. I don't know, you're a musician.
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I'm like, I'm trying to build like a platform and whatever.
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And the more I'm on this and the more airtime and the more I
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perform like that's good. I didn't expect to make it to
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top 9 at fucking all. Like I was like how am I still
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here? So how long is that process
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then? Like from like a couple weeks,
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couple months. The whole thing like was over
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because you film like the not live stuff and then you go home
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and all airs and then they fly you back and you do all the
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live. So it was like really over the
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course of like a year. Oh shit, that's kind of a long
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time. It's long.
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I was not expecting. It becomes your life.
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It's like the voice and then you do it and then it's all airing
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and then the live shit is like it's a whole air beast.
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It's a lot. That is so crazy because
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literally, like, you're explaining this and that is a
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lot. And then we were talking right
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before this, like, yeah, today, after this, I'm just gonna hang
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out. Yeah, I'm gonna play Fortnite
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like. Like it's so like I want to be
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able to chill. And that was like, it was chill
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at 1st. And then you realize over the
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course of time you're like, I'm so deep in this reality TV show
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and this is a lot. And this is like it's more than
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you really know you're signing up for.
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And a lot of it is really good, but a lot of it is very just
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intense. It's like intense on your brain
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and you're not getting enough sleep, you're not eating,
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you're. Performing all the time?
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Yeah, you're. Performing all the time.
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I got laryngitis from singing too much.
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Like people losing their voices, getting sick, people having
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crash outs on set like it is intense.
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Damn they be putting y'all through it.
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Yes, like I see people on reality TV now and I'm like.
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Like you see people? Crashing on reality TV and like
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they're crashing out because they're on reality TV.
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And they're like so burnt out. Yes.
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Oh my gosh, how scary it's. Some burnout.
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OK, so you would never do that again.
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I would never do it again, but I'm happy that I did it and I
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got a lot out of it. But Oh my God.
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How's it working with Ariana? Oh, like the greatest.
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Like that was like she defined for honestly, like everyone on
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her team defined that entire experience.
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We got a different experience than everyone else and everyone
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had a really like great their own experience.
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Yeah, totally. But.
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She like, I don't know, she went way beyond what she would like
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had to do and what her responsibility was as like a
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coach like. She like she's invested deeply.
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Invested like she invited all of us to spend Thanksgiving with
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her family. Like she was up on FaceTime
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calls with us at like 1:00 in the morning trying to figure out
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a song like she was she like. Completely didn't have to do any
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of that. She didn't.
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I'm like, you don't owe me shit. You didn't have to do this.
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You can just go and sit in the red chair and do your thing like
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everybody else on camera. Shit.
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Yeah. And like, she was like
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definitely like, like held me up a lot through how intense that
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was. Like we cried together.
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I was like, I'm fucking losing it.
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I'm done. Like I don't even want to do
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this anymore. Crazy shit.
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Like she was there for me in a way that was very real.
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And nobody else had that with their coaches because, like, you
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don't have to do that if you're a coach.
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Oh, absolutely right. You're.
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Doing your job? Wait so were you 2 like really
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close? Yes, yeah, we get like and like
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built like built a really close friendship, especially when like
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I was me and my dad were the last one standing on her team
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for like a minute there at the end.
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And yeah, we got really close. And she's just like, like I
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cannot say enough good things about her.
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Like out of all the things about her that are like she's an
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incredible artist and musician and singer and as this like
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insane career and what I admire the absolute most about her is
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like she's so like she's like she is real.
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Like she is a real one. She is funny.
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She is so genuine, genuinely like the funniest human being
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I've ever met. I love her and it's really cool,
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like post voice, like seeing everything that she's done, you
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know what I mean to do? She's crazy.
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Even like getting to do that with her at that point, she was
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already so massive within her career, Yeah.
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Like I was. Like intentional with you?
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That's crazy. Yeah, I didn't even know that
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she was going to be a judge on it either, or a coach.
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And I was like, we like found out.
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And we were like, Oh my God. Like Ariana's gonna, like, I
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could not believe that she was going to be there.
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And like, I'm so lucky because that relationship with her, in
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friendship with her meant so much to me and made that
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experience like what it was. Like, I love her.
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I just love her. She's a good person.
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Like if anybody chooses to be a fan of someone, it should be her
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because she is. Like, she is so real.
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I love her. Should we address your Ariana
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allegations? So, Sasha Allen, you have some.
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Yes. Hating Ariana Grande
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allegations? What's going on there?
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What happened? You allegedly had a hate page,
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you allegedly like shady tweets and Ariana Grande confronted you
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about this. So this happened when I was on
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The Voice. Picture the anxiety level, like
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really picture that you wake up, you wake up you with four hours
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of sleep, you're in a Marriott Hotel room and you look on
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Twitter and you're trending and you're like, Oh my God.
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And I look, and there was these accusations that I had an Ariana
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hate page that I like shady tweets about Ariana.
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People photoshopped like tweets of me too, like saying, saying
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crazy shit, like saying slurs and stuff.
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There was they, they just did not like me.
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I don't know why they didn't like me.
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I don't know if it was because I was like, like even me having
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like silly exchanges with Ariana on Twitter or something.
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They get pissed at me over yeah. They were really, and so many of
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her fans also were very loving, but it was like, it's always
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like the loudest people that are really strange and they're very
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just like, who is this twink on Team Ariana?
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That's like taking Ariana away from us.
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And I'm like, I am literally just like a kid and I'm like
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fucking here and I don't know what I'm doing.
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Yeah, genuinely. So I was like, holy shit.
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Like, and then someone's saying that.
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So that's so deeply untrue that it's like crazy.
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Like imagine me having an Ariana hate page.
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Am IA psychopath. How do you have time for that?
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And also, wouldn't I like, Oh my God, like Kelly and Ariana both
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turned for me for my performance.
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If I had an Ariana hate page, I'd be like, I'm not even
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touching that. Like that's crazy.
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That's crazy. But then you see something about
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yourself, like if you saw something that said you, I don't
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know, like, yeah, I don't know, like did anything that was just
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fucking nuts. And you're like, what do I say
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to defend myself against something that's so like, how do
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you even defend it? Because it's so not true.
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I just saw my. Publicist, like, yeah.
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And I'm, I wish I had a publicist.
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Thanks. I'd be like, you need to help
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me. No, I was like, Oh my God.
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And it's blowing up. And I'm like, this is crazy
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because it's not true. And then she she reached out to
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me about it. She like, what did she?
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Say like she was like, because she saw it, because she was
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people talking about it, Yeah. And OK.
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And so Ariana saw that your name was trending because of this
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alleged hate games. For her, and it was a lot of
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like I was getting, it was too much.
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I was low key freaking out. Like I was sitting in my glam
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chair at The Voice and I was like, Oh my God, like, 'cause I
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didn't want her to believe it. I didn't want other people to
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believe it or even think that I'm that person.
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Yeah. Who the fuck is like an R?
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Like if you haven't, like if you have a hate page, you're just a
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loser in general. I.
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Love her like I fucking love. Her.
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Oh my. God, And so she hit me up and
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she was like, I saw what's going on on Twitter.
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I want you to know, like, if that is true, I think it's just
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really funny and like, I really love you and like, I care about
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you and like. Wait, she's like, mad cool.
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She's mad. She was like, I would honestly
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just think that that's super funny if you used to have a hate
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page about me and like, we're cool and I love you.
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Wait, that's really cool. Yeah.
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And I was like, I still think, like I told her I was like, that
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is so deeply untrue. That's not a thing.
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And I love you and that like, that's not a thing.
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Even if I did like I'm just not a weirdo.
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And that's like, I didn't want to believe it.
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And there's still this like, part of me like it's weird
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because there are people who saw that at that time and still
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might think that that's true. Totally.
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So crazy. Like like it's just wild because
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like if I saw that about someone I would probably just assume it
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was true because I don't think people make up weird.
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Because people just casually like, you know, they're going to
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see something like OK, T. Like shout out to the person who
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started that because that went crazy like that.
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I know, and the smear campaign was active.
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Yes, it was. And it was like, and it
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continued. And then they ultimately like
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blamed me for her leaving Twitter because.
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They did not. They did because they hate that
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I was getting was like kind of crazy.
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And then she tweeted something that was like, the hate against
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Jim and Sasha is really crazy and disheartening.
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And then she like took down her Twitter.
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And so I took the blame for that.
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And they just didn't like me. And they were like, who the fuck
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is this little twink dude hanging out with Ariana?
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And they, yeah, they did not fuck me or like even, I don't
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know, like it was just weird. Was it just like Stan Twitter on
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your ass? Yeah, like people are.
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Evil and I understand the vibes like Stan Twitter and I was on
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Twitter trying to harness the power of like Twitter for votes
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yeah and like I'm not like dumb. I also know I'm putting myself
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in the line of fire of like people that are psycho like so
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where? But I was not expecting people
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to be like, just make shit up. And it's weird because there are
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people that believe that I had an Ariana hate page.
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I literally just saw that recently.
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Yeah, yes, I, I just saw that 'cause I knew you were coming on
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the show and I saw a tweet about that and I was like, I texted
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Charlie and I was like. Crazy.
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Wouldn't that be crazy? Like crazy?
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Totally. And it's weird 'cause people are
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just like, it's casually like, Oh yeah.
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Like I think he was the one that had like an Ariana hate page.
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And I'm like, that's my legacy. That's my legacy.
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Like that's crazy. We needed damage control.
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I know we're doing it right now, actually.
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But like she said, if I did, which I my fear is still that
17:41
she maybe thinks that it's. It's true.
17:43
I think Ariana like secretly thinks that you have it because.
17:45
If I was her and people were like Ariana, which would never
17:48
happen, someone's like Ariana has a hate page.
17:50
Like you used to have a hate page, right?
17:51
You I'd be like, that's such a random rumor that like, I don't
17:54
know, like is there some truth to that?
17:56
Like that's so specific and random.
17:57
Very specific. So like, yeah, but it never at
18:01
this point I would own up to it and be like, you know what?
18:03
And also show me the receipts, show me the crazy.
18:06
There's nothing but OK. Yeah, I love them.
18:08
Fuck them. They're crazy.
18:10
I'm so sorry about. That I was scared I will like
18:12
actually I think I had like weird trauma response to it when
18:15
I was that like in the era. No, I like to.
18:17
I've had things happen where like when that's happening,
18:20
where you're getting an influx of hate and it's just like it's
18:22
paralyzing. Yes, it's paralyzing.
18:24
So fucking like I was already struggling to cope and it was
18:27
that on top of it and it was like not good mentally.
18:31
I also couldn't even go to therapy when I was on The Voice
18:33
and I was like, I was a kid. Like I know I was 20, but I was
18:36
like, no, you're a kid. Like I was a kid.
18:38
You're still a kid. Like I look back and I'm like,
18:39
Oh my God, I didn't know anything and 100%.
18:42
I was just. Scared and like my dad didn't
18:45
know I was going and my dad's like not on Twitter.
18:46
I'm like, let me handle the social media thing and.
18:48
There is that, yeah. It was rough and I was the only
18:51
one really getting a lot of attention on socials too, like
18:53
out of everyone on the cast and it was negative and I was like.
18:56
Oh my God, I'm so sorry. But all press is good press top
18:59
9. Period.
19:00
Clock, period. Exactly.
19:02
There you go. You're fine.
19:02
Yeah, well, I'm so sorry about that, though.
19:04
That's super scary. Yeah, we are Stan Twitter scary.
19:07
Super scary. OK, what's the allegation about
19:10
you being an undercover Swifty? This.
19:12
Is what I don't get because which I'm not truly I'm
19:18
officially saying this now I'm my okay my username is still
19:21
speak now Sasha which let me start with this my username is
19:23
speak now Sasha speak now Taylor Swift album.
19:26
I have loved Taylor Swift since I was like a little girl like in
19:30
a very I have always loved Taylor Swift in a horse girl way
19:34
like not a stand way like a very horse girl way very lesbian
19:37
horse girl is my love for Taylor Swift.
19:39
Completely makes. Sense and so speak now Sasha my
19:42
whole family's like Sasha's always loved Taylor Swift I
19:44
always did and how can I be an undercover Swifty when my name
19:49
is speak now Sasha like you think that that I'm undercover
19:53
everybody here knows that I love Taylor Swift I'm like out here
19:55
trying to sing Taylor Swift songs on The Voice like everyone
19:58
is aware of this like they thought that I was like.
20:00
Undercover trying to like like I don't know and I'm like I'm not
20:05
invested in that way I am horse girl Taylor Swift lover you know
20:09
what I. Mean.
20:10
And like since then that's like kind of faded out.
20:13
I don't know what to change my username to because I feel kind
20:15
of stuck with like speaking. Really.
20:16
Oh, but you can't do like Sasha Allen.
20:18
Yes, because of the other Sasha Allen that was also on the Void.
20:22
I don't want to be like Sasha Allen 15 like that's.
20:25
What is happening? I feel like you know, you've
20:27
been through it. Are you OK?
20:30
No, I'm not. Should we do therapy right now?
20:32
This honestly all make you feel. Like I don't know what to change
20:37
your fucking Instagram I. Completely got it.
20:39
You got to change this to dangerous, man Dangerous.
20:42
Man, yes. We can really clear.
20:46
Someone else like Sasha Allen. Music All about sweetener.
20:48
Sasha. Yeah.
20:49
Sweetener. Sweetener sauce.
20:51
Sweetener sauce. We gotta, we gotta clean that
20:54
real quick. Yeah, OK.
20:55
So. I'm just gonna claim that they
20:56
are already exist. Sweetener sauce is actually
20:58
cute. Yeah, you should do that.
21:00
I should do that. But then people are gonna be
21:01
like, damn, you're really like doubling down on like the Not
21:03
Hate page. You gotta just make an Ariana
21:05
fan page now. I know, yeah, I basically I'm a
21:07
like a walking Ariana fan page though 'cause I'm like, she's
21:10
incredible. You just gave her hell a good
21:12
press right now. Genuinely like.
21:14
She's so awesome. She's a good genuine, I've never
21:18
met someone funnier, more genuine and just like Oh my God,
21:21
she was sitting here like chill this bitch ever.
21:23
I love her. Yeah, she's cool.
21:25
I am the fan page. I feel like I have like a slight
21:27
thing about Ariana. I can tell you're a huge fan and
21:30
love her, so I don't even know if she'd bring it up, bring it
21:32
up. I'll just bring it up.
21:33
Basically it was down to her and I for gain casted for Galinda
21:38
and obviously she got it. So I'm a little salty about
21:40
that. OK.
21:41
Because that could have been me. It should have been me.
21:43
Have you talked about it in therapy?
21:45
I've talked about it in therapy. Ariana was sweet about it.
21:47
She sent flowers. She apologized.
21:49
But you know, I just, I can't watch the movies.
21:51
Now I think it should have been you.
21:53
I think it should have been me too.
21:55
But you know what? Congratulations, Ariana.
21:59
You deserve it. It's OK.
22:00
That's fine. And I am, I am a very open non
22:04
closeted Swifty. We're just clear up everything
22:08
right now. So crazy.
22:09
The undercover made no sense to me because I was like, you're I,
22:11
That's what I was going to ask. I was like, speak now about
22:14
Taylor. Yes, that is Taylor Swift.
22:15
Is that your favorite Taylor? Yes.
22:18
Really. Yeah.
22:19
Clock. And I was really outwardly
22:21
loving Taylor, like. Yeah.
22:23
I told everyone I love Taylor Swift, so I'm like, I'm very not
22:25
undercover. You know, yeah, absolutely.
22:27
I got that. Yeah.
22:28
Speak Now is amazing. Yes.
22:29
What's your favorite Taylor song?
22:31
Oh. My God, sounds like so cheese
22:33
ball because it's everyone's but all too well, I was.
22:37
Like the second you started that, I was like, it's going to.
22:39
Be all too well. And it had it's like resurgence
22:42
and it needed it because like totally sing that song when I
22:44
was like a little girl and I'm like, this is poetry.
22:47
It's so great music. Honestly, I feel like All Too
22:49
Well is very much in the vein of the music that you've been
22:51
putting out too though. Yeah, she's a heavy inspiration
22:54
because I listened to her in like a lot in formative years of
22:58
my life. Not so much anymore.
23:00
I'm finally on like the finally sounds like I've been like
23:03
waiting to but I'm on the trail off of Taylor but like.
23:07
Why is that? You just like feel like you
23:08
gotta. Honestly, like I'm.
23:11
Swifty Down. And I appreciate it.
23:13
I love her. And I'll always like, I always
23:15
will have like a lot of love for Taylor Swift.
23:18
But like, I, I think that she I kind of with everything going on
23:23
in the fucking world, I don't like that she's staying silent.
23:25
And I'm usually not the motherfucker to say that, but I
23:28
didn't like that she did the whole like, you need to calm
23:32
down. You're being to that like gay
23:33
people. Yes, I'm going to make a big
23:35
thing about getting everybody registered to vote.
23:37
And then it's like, we are literally locking up like
23:40
toddlers in this country. And you're like, like, I don't
23:43
know, like say something like Ariana said something.
23:46
Sasha, I'm shaking for you right now.
23:48
The Swifties are going to come for.
23:50
Your ass. And I love her.
23:51
I really love her. That's why it hurts me because
23:53
I'm like, trans people aren't I'm here.
23:54
I'm like, transgender people are under attack.
23:56
Like that's very valid of you to feel though, because like
23:59
honestly, being directly affected and the queer community
24:02
and just like exactly we said everything going on in the state
24:04
of the world, like it's definitely a lot I.
24:06
Love. Her I feel like there's such a
24:08
fine line between like, because as an entertainer and being in
24:12
entertainment industry, it's like what what is appropriate,
24:15
what is right? Like what makes sense, You know
24:17
what I mean? Like, I like, I walk that line
24:19
all the time. I'm like, I don't know what to
24:20
say or do. Yeah, obviously Taylor Swift
24:22
platform is way bigger. That's the thing like you're
24:24
dealing with, I think it's the point where you're dealing with
24:26
like your career kind of becomes like a corporation, like she it
24:30
becomes kind of like corporate entity vibe.
24:32
Yeah. And I kind of have this feeling
24:34
of like, how do you not say like, how do you not say
24:38
something like I don't, I can't connect with the thought of like
24:42
this person is making art and I'm listening to them and they
24:45
are not. I'm like, how are you not seeing
24:47
this? Like Oh my God, if I had that
24:48
platform, I'd be she like also she did great stuff with like
24:51
getting people registered to vote and like most people.
24:54
Are not. Yes.
24:55
And there was like, that made me so happy.
24:58
And I was like, she rules for that and like love to her and I
25:03
love her, but I just want her to do it again because I'm like
25:07
people like I, I don't know. I don't know.
25:09
It's kind. Of rough, yes, it turns me off a
25:11
little bit because I'm just like trans people, immigrants, like,
25:14
come on. And these people like Billy
25:16
Eilish that like really put themselves out on a limb, which
25:19
I don't think. I'm not trying to say anybody
25:21
has to do anything, but I did not like the outwardly like
25:26
being vocal about stuff and gay people and everything and then
25:29
really pulling it back when shit got worse.
25:31
Maybe you should change your username to Fearless Sasha.
25:34
Fearless Sasha, because I love Fearless.
25:36
Right. And you're being fearless right
25:37
now because they're they're for sure going to come after you.
25:39
Oh my God. I love Taylor, yeah, I really
25:42
love her. And that's the end of the day.
25:43
As a transgender Taylor Swift fan, I, I wanted to say
25:48
something, man. Yeah, like say something low
25:50
key. And I don't like being that
25:52
person, but like. But honestly, it's.
25:53
Completely fair and you're valid to feel that way.
25:55
Like especially with your own lived in experiences growing up,
25:58
having her be so influential to you.
25:59
Like you said, she influenced a lot of your formative years.
26:02
Like first grade, like on and on.
26:04
I would take off school when the albums came out.
26:05
No, you wouldn't, but I would. I would take off school.
26:08
I would like, Oh my God, it was like a holiday.
26:10
Oh my God, I was swifty. Boots.
26:12
Boots down, Boots down every October.
26:15
You had a day off of school. When I remember I first saw and
26:18
it was her debut. Since debut, I have been a
26:22
Swifty and I'm like, I just like, I love her as a as a
26:26
writer and as a performer and as everything.
26:28
And I totally had a crush on her when I was like a little
26:30
lesbian. Am I totally?
26:32
Now I'm I just yeah. And I think it already like I
26:35
think it faded off like a little naturally because like I didn't
26:38
I was like just her style. Now I'm not like super.
26:42
I'm like the news. I like the country is right, but
26:44
like. And I hear that in your music.
26:46
Too, I like country music and that's why I love Taylor Swift
26:49
and that's why I continue to love Taylor Swift and she's a
26:51
great artist, but. Oh my God, yeah, because I was.
26:54
I was telling you before the show, you love harmonica.
26:55
I love harmonica. Yeah.
26:57
I was like listening. To your music.
26:58
And I was like, wait, this is like everywhere.
26:59
I was like. Because it Amina, we were
27:02
listening it to last night, Amina was like, is this country?
27:04
And I was like, I think it's not country, but it kind of gives
27:08
country. I love country, that's my
27:10
favorite genre. Really.
27:11
Would you say your music is country?
27:14
No, but I'd say it has it's. Like acoustic country leaning.
27:17
Like, yeah, it has. I'd say it has influence because
27:19
I'm like, that's always been my favorite genre.
27:21
That's why I was a Swifty. Like I love and you do like.
27:24
Storytelling like country too. Yeah, and that's also why I like
27:28
it's, it's like, it is like the writing of country music I like.
27:31
And it's also like, I'm definitely not like Southern.
27:34
So it's like, but if I was, I'd make such a badass.
27:37
Like if I had a twang, I feel like you still can.
27:39
I could like, yeah. Just do it.
27:41
Just do it. Fuck it, why not?
27:42
Like a fake little like country accent but it definitely heavy
27:45
influence. For sure.
27:47
Yeah. So you said you were signs to
27:49
Republic just on The Voice, like off the bat.
27:52
You're already signed. Yeah.
27:53
Like you signed the contract before and then I was like voted
27:58
off or like eliminated or like whatever.
28:00
And then they made the choice to like execute the contract.
28:06
So like it was already signed and so it was executed and then
28:08
I was signed to Republic Records.
28:09
How long were you with them for? Three years.
28:11
So what happened there? You said you're shelved, you're
28:14
held hostage. Like they I recorded it was it
28:19
was literally like pulling teeth at times to get like someone to
28:23
reply to me. Holy shit of just like, hey,
28:27
what's up and I'm gonna get back to you.
28:30
Like waiting two months for a reply.
28:33
That's terrible. Being like I can call you in
28:34
three weeks and me being like, like, what am I doing?
28:40
I eventually after like a lot of time and a lot of them putting
28:44
me in, in writing sessions that I was like, please stop for the
28:48
love of God putting me in these writing sessions like I cannot
28:52
do this. I am trying and I can't do this.
28:53
Why are you putting me with? Really, what was?
28:55
Going on oh, it's just like because you talk about on David
28:57
and Glife. Yeah, like they were literally
28:59
were putting me with like not just letting me make your music.
29:05
Yeah, and like I'm down for like a Co write and everything but
29:07
they were he like they literally told me that they wanted me to
29:11
be something that I wasn't or this one guy told me.
29:14
Classic tale. Yes, and like it was so classic
29:18
and it was so like we want you to be you're like you should do
29:21
this thing and you should be Shawn Mendes.
29:22
And I'm like, I don't know, like Shawn Mendes is cool, but like
29:25
why? I don't know, like, let me just
29:27
try and cook my shit. Like what is not?
29:29
And then so we eventually, after doing that for a year and a half
29:33
of nothing and nothing coming out of it, I met a producer and
29:38
we just recorded my songs that I wrote on.
29:40
We recorded a whole EP and then they just never fucking put it
29:45
out. They just never put it out.
29:47
I would hit them up. It's because I they were like,
29:49
you need a manager to put it out.
29:51
And I'm like, I don't have a manager.
29:53
And they were like, you're going to need to pay a manager out of
29:55
pocket. And I'm like, I'm not paying a
29:56
manager out of pocket. I don't have any money, bro.
29:59
They were like, it was like issues.
30:02
It was like there they just couldn't put it out.
30:05
And it sat for a year and a half.
30:07
Yeah, like a year and a half because it was a year and a half
30:09
and then a year and a half and it just did not come out.
30:12
They had no plan. I never had a team.
30:14
I never met a marketing person. I would never.
30:18
I have zero idea. I guess like.
30:20
They literally held you hostage. Yeah.
30:21
And I was like, what is this for?
30:23
Because I'm like, do I didn't even like I would say it's like
30:26
they didn't want me. Like they just wanted to like
30:28
hold me back and like keep me from releasing my own music.
30:30
Like I genuinely think they did not like the people or the
30:34
person that I was working with. Just truly did not give a single
30:37
rat's fucking ass about me at all.
30:40
That's the worst. Like he did not like me, dude.
30:42
And. Was this your AR?
30:44
Yeah. Oh no.
30:45
He did not like me. He was an Ariana Stand who like,
30:48
believed the allegations. He's like, I know you have a
30:50
hate page, this 100% coming out. But yeah, like he whatever.
30:57
I called him one day because I was like, I'm done.
30:59
It was after I met my current girlfriend Adore, and I told her
31:02
about my situation. I was like, I just feel so
31:04
stuck. And she was like, fucking leave.
31:06
Like, that sounds horrible. And I was so connected to the
31:09
idea of like I put so much of my time into.
31:12
This like you missed so much into it Yes, like.
31:14
Three years of my life, like 2120, like early 20s.
31:18
And so yeah, I would called him like last Oh my God, the
31:25
November or December before this past 1 So 2 Decembers ago I
31:29
called him and I was like, hey, what like what is like this is
31:33
not going to come out like I am. So I feel drained and creatively
31:38
and emotionally I'm in a cesspool of hell and I hate my
31:42
life and this fucking sucks. Please drop me.
31:45
And he was like, well, you know, like we could get it together
31:49
and, and. Told me they wanted to keep you
31:50
after all. That told me the same exact
31:52
thing that he had been saying to me for months of like.
31:55
They just want to show you. Yeah.
31:56
And I was like, no, drop me then.
31:59
It took them months and and it was just on the fault of this
32:02
one dude. Like I realized at the end, like
32:04
when I reached out to people that like mattered at Republic
32:08
and I was like, can you please help me?
32:09
Like I'm fucked. Like I asked to be dropped
32:12
months ago. I'm having a viral song moment
32:14
right now and I can't release music because you guys still
32:16
have me signed to you. And I realized honestly how easy
32:19
it was that it took when I reached out to the right person
32:22
at Republic, a higher up person, it took 24 hours to be dropped
32:25
and this dude had me waiting for months just to be dropped even
32:29
after it. Like so it was ongoing even
32:32
after I decided I was going to be dropped and I was still
32:34
handcuffed. And then the first week I was
32:36
dropped, I release my first single When I Forgive You.
32:41
And then I think like the next month I recorded an EP by myself
32:45
just in my girlfriend's. Was that jawbreaker?
32:47
Wait, what happened to the EP that you did under Republic?
32:51
It's gone. No.
32:52
Are you sad? It's just gone, honestly, I feel
32:55
because some songs on my EP that I released myself were on the EP
32:59
with Republic, but I wrote them completely myself.
33:01
So they don't like own them. You took it back, and I think it
33:05
took so long for that EP to come out that around the time I was
33:08
dropped, I went back in and I found the link to like the files
33:11
and I listened to it and I was like, it's been so long that my
33:14
voice has dropped from testosterone since we even
33:16
recorded these. OMG so it.
33:18
Doesn't even sound like, it's not like I don't even want to
33:21
put this out. Like I don't want this volume.
33:23
That's not like it was like a year and a half.
33:25
And I was like. Oh my God, I sound like more of
33:27
a man now and this sounds like a little version of me and I I
33:30
don't want this anymore and. Did they fund that project?
33:35
Yes. The shells project.
33:37
Yes, they they funded it and everything, but I never met like
33:41
they never. It was always like you're going
33:43
to get the team and it all it'll go really quickly.
33:47
All of a sudden you'll see like. Yeah, some bullshit.
33:49
And I was like OK, like never met a team.
33:52
They actually gave me one girl. Then they were like she's on
33:55
your team and then she got laid off 2 weeks later.
33:57
Oh my God, they were playing in your face.
33:59
I was like, she's gone. Like she was my one person.
34:03
Soul. Person.
34:04
Yeah, that's crazy. Oh my God.
34:05
And that's what I'll tell you before the show.
34:07
I love David and Glive. Thank you.
34:08
Like, what an incredible song. And I think it's so relatable,
34:11
especially for anyone in the entertainment industry.
34:13
And just detailing, like, that whole thing.
34:15
I love the perspective switch from going from like you Yeah,
34:18
to like, I'm assuming the label. Yes, yeah.
34:20
That's so good, Yeah. And that song is so crazy good
34:23
but. Like so much I was.
34:24
Listening to it and I was just like, holy shit.
34:25
Like literally this is what the industry is.
34:27
Yes, yeah. And I love that you audit tuned
34:29
yourself when you said audit tune.
34:30
I know. Yeah, I know.
34:31
That's why a little I was like, Oh my God, I'm literally a
34:33
producer, right? Now Oh my God, look at you.
34:34
I'm literally. Gonna audit tune it like, Oh my
34:36
God, it sounds like attitude like, yeah.
34:38
And that I just wrote on a walk when I was like, I was in the
34:42
middle of like trying to figure out what was going to be on my
34:44
EP. And I was like, this is just so
34:47
fucking unfair. Like it's so unfair.
34:50
And I think it's also why we see artists have a song do well on
34:52
TikTok and then we don't hear from them.
34:54
And I feel for those people because you feel like you're
34:57
losing your mind because you are watching the dream slip away
35:00
because you're like, Oh my God, I'm sitting here wasting time
35:04
like trying to survive, make money exist, make music, stay
35:08
creative, do my thing. And nobody is like.
35:12
And also when you're at an age or you're at like a, there's a
35:14
newness of like, I'm doing music.
35:17
It's normal. Right.
35:18
You want someone to at like a label or something to be like,
35:22
let me help you out. Like let me like we're going to
35:24
do this together. And instead they just spit shit
35:27
at you that you don't understand.
35:29
You don't like your contract is negotiated by their lawyers
35:32
because you can't afford your own lawyer.
35:33
And then you're stuck in something and you're fucked.
35:35
And then you feel this commitment to the time and the
35:37
energy and like the producer that worked on your EP, that
35:41
like the EP is never going to come out and like all this shit
35:43
and it's all a lot. Yeah, especially like thinking
35:46
about, like you put in all this like you, you're a creative,
35:50
you're an artist. You're not thinking about the
35:51
business side of it. You want people that you could
35:53
trust. You are going to be able to
35:54
handle it, have your music be heard and seen.
35:55
And then it's just like, they're not the ones who are going to be
35:58
able to get it. Yeah.
35:59
They're not going to be the the ones who are going to be able to
36:01
push your music the way that you would want it to be.
36:02
And like, obviously you said like, you got shelled.
36:04
Yes. That's crazy.
36:06
And you know what? Kim Petrus, I think she's with
36:08
Republic. She had the same issue, right?
36:09
Like she's been shelled. Why?
36:11
Like literally why? Like she literally.
36:13
Tweeted like she was like please drop me.
36:15
Yes. And then you're like stuck and
36:17
I'm like, just put the fucking music out.
36:19
Like if you don't, I don't know. Like I don't know if they don't
36:21
want to spend the money to promote the artist, just let
36:23
like the artist doesn't care. Just let them put it out.
36:26
Like, you know, I think it's the label would get embarrassed if
36:28
like the artist does well after leaving the label.
36:30
So it's like they'd rather just shelve them and hopefully
36:32
destroy their career. And then like then they this is
36:35
like my this is my conspiracy theory.
36:36
It is It's so evil. Would you ever sign a label over
36:39
again? Well, I'm signed with one right
36:41
now, but it's like yes, AWOL and it's like distribution more
36:44
label. So it's not like we're putting
36:46
you in a 360 deal. And so that like, I got
36:48
approached by other majors after I was dropped from Republic and
36:53
I was like, Oh my God, like, and it's so tempting because I'm
36:57
like, what the fuck? Yeah, like what am I doing?
36:59
Yeah, like, oh, I'm on a Zoom call with Capitol Records right
37:01
now and like me at 7 years old would be like, that's so crazy,
37:05
Sasha, take it. It's like right in front of you.
37:07
And I'm like, Oh my God. I went through the thing with
37:09
Republic to learn for this moment that that's not what I
37:12
need to. That's I cannot because I'm like
37:15
looking at, I'm like, I cannot do this again.
37:17
I cannot give another three years.
37:19
And maybe it would have been great and maybe I could assign
37:20
to like a major and it would have been cool.
37:22
But I was like, I think that I would have if it OK if it
37:26
didn't, if I signed to a major and it didn't work out, I'd be
37:28
the biggest fucking idiot in America.
37:31
And I couldn't, I couldn't do that to myself.
37:33
I would regret it forever. And I'd be like, why did I do
37:35
that? I learned my lesson.
37:36
I was taught the lesson the Republic and I didn't learn
37:38
shit. And I just signed with another
37:39
major SO. And then imagine, God forbid.
37:42
Then I couldn't even complain about it either because I'd be
37:45
like, this sucks and I would be like.
37:46
And now you can openly complain about.
37:48
It yes, I like being able to openly complain.
37:50
She was so best. It was so me calling my mom for
37:52
so long and her being like why are they doing this and totally.
37:55
I don't know, wait they like non disparagement you or anything?
37:58
What does that? Mean like you can't shit talk
38:00
them I. Don't think so.
38:01
OK, hopefully. I've done it and there's
38:03
nothing. So like, whatever.
38:05
OK, I mean, I think compatriots has done work, yes to be honest
38:08
and still signs up. No, and I'm not saying any
38:10
specific names. So I'm like whatever like and
38:13
they honestly great label. I think the people I was placed
38:16
with, to work with or not, so I had really great experiences
38:19
with higher up people at that label who were like, really
38:22
sweet, but not so much. I think the people placed with
38:25
me were like, who the fuck is this kid?
38:27
And that's what disarmed me. Yeah, let me get him the fuck
38:30
out of here. Like like very much point blank
38:33
saying to me like, you know, everyone on The Voice, just like
38:35
they flop. So like, what do they what do
38:36
you want me to do with it to your face?
38:38
To my face. What do you say?
38:39
I was like oh haha OK I gotta be.
38:42
Something about that, I'd be like, no, honey, Oh my God.
38:45
And he's like, why do you think they all flop?
38:47
Because And I'm like, Oh my God, this is the guy that deals with
38:49
all the people who win The Voice.
38:51
Oh my gosh, like they're setting you up to fail?
38:53
Yes, they are the. Expectation is already there
38:55
like. Crazy.
38:56
The contract sucks. The contract is like laughable.
38:58
It's like, Oh my God, we own your soul forever and we hate
39:02
you and you get no money. Wait.
39:04
Was it not like, was it something that you could like,
39:06
say no to, or like you just had to?
39:08
Sign it to be on the show, and then you've already signed it
39:11
and it's been negotiated by NBC lawyers, and then you're like,
39:14
OK. Well, do you ever think like,
39:16
when you think about like, as like a little girl, do you think
39:18
like, I want to sign a record label dream come true?
39:20
Yes, Signing to Republic. Were you thinking in the moment
39:22
before you experience all that? Were you like yay?
39:24
I was like, I fucking made it. I made it bitch and like this
39:29
and I did it and like I achieved the dream.
39:32
Yeah, and it's all going to go. Smoothailing.
39:33
I was like, I'm going to be rich and famous in like 2 years and
39:36
everyone's going to hear my music and I'm going to be like
39:39
because I had like these like little babies dreams that were
39:41
so like. And you'd be the next Shawn
39:43
Mendes. Yes, like all of these little
39:45
things. And like, and then you realize,
39:47
like, because you have no, yeah, there's no exposure to what it's
39:50
actually like until you're in it and you're like, wait a minute.
39:52
And then your dreams change and you're like, I don't know, like,
39:55
I don't really want that. Like I don't want to be like
39:57
boxed in and controlled and have someone be in control of my
40:01
music. What do you want now then?
40:03
I want I decided this weekend that I eventually want to live
40:06
on a micro farm as. You mentioned that.
40:08
That becomes like that is down the road.
40:11
Like when I retire, I want to live.
40:12
I know that that part of my life I want to live on micro farm.
40:14
Later on I want to write authentic music, authentic to
40:20
myself. You're already doing that.
40:21
Yeah, and I wanted people to hear it.
40:23
I want to tour. I want to play live more.
40:26
I want to be able to like, live off of my music purely and feel
40:30
like I can like, live freely and comfortably off of my music.
40:33
Oh my God, yes. And like.
40:34
That is the just the dream and I feel like that's a lot of
40:37
people's dreams. And it's like simple, like I
40:39
think when I was a kid, I was like, I want to like it's very
40:41
classic. I want to be like a star and.
40:43
You want to be Taylor Swift. Yeah, I want to be Taylor Swift.
40:45
And I'm like, I don't really want to be.
40:48
Like, I don't want to be. That seems overwhelming.
40:51
And I want to just make things that feel authentic to me.
40:55
And I want to have control over what I'm making.
40:57
I want to experience joy and what I'm making and I want to
41:00
love what I do and I want to live comfortably off of that.
41:02
And then one day on a micro farm.
41:04
OK, you're going to do all that. Yeah, right.
41:06
And I'm like. We'll do you do that over the
41:07
door. Yes, exactly.
41:09
Yep. OK, so did you job?
41:11
Did you produce Jawbreaker yourself?
41:12
Yeah, everything. You did.
41:14
It's really good. Thank you.
41:15
I didn't know what I was doing, really.
41:17
Like I was. It's so well done.
41:18
Thank you. Like I I was just figuring out
41:22
as I went because I didn't have any like money to record it
41:24
totes and so because the recording's expensive.
41:26
Oh my God, it's so expensive. Because I was like, I just want
41:28
and he was like, like I could try and fund this right now and
41:31
try and get this done, but I was like, I just want music out.
41:33
And I kind of am curious to see if I could just do it.
41:36
And obviously no budget, no budget $0.00.
41:39
I didn't even buy new equipment. Like my mic had been out in a
41:43
garage and it had like bird poop on it.
41:44
I'd like wash it off. My mic cable didn't work.
41:47
My mic stand didn't have a base so it was shoved into a laundry
41:50
basket. I went in my girlfriend's closet
41:52
and I put her like duvet on the wall of the closet to soundproof
41:55
it. And then I just did all the
41:56
instrumentation. Like I had her closet look
41:58
crazy. Like I had like a banjo, a
41:59
violin, harmonicas, guitars. We're like DIY as fuck.
42:03
Yeah, and I was. I had because I was like, I miss
42:05
the joy of just fucking making music.
42:07
Totally. And you almost lost that with
42:09
that experience. Yeah.
42:10
And that brought it back because I was like, wait a minute, this
42:12
is fun and I can do this and I don't have to care about it
42:14
being perfect or being like any like I don't have to care about
42:18
it even being marketable. Like, I can just do this shit
42:20
myself and I can just post it and I can have music out for the
42:22
first time ever. And.
42:25
Just do it. So yeah, it was a gift.
42:27
And I still like, I love that little EP.
42:29
Yeah, it came out cute and I was like, it was really good.
42:32
Like I got it. It sounds good.
42:33
Like whatever. So now you're working with a
42:35
bigger scope of like people. Do you have like producers
42:37
you're working with now? Yes, yeah, my producer now is
42:41
actually the same producer that did my EP when I was with
42:45
Republic. I got so curious about that.
42:48
That's so cool because we stayed in touch and he's a.
42:50
Really. Yeah, I felt he's like immediate
42:53
comfort dude. Like I literally tell him he has
42:56
lesbian energy and it's. Like the best energy.
42:58
Like it's just warm and cozy. Yeah, super.
43:01
Super like we communicate well, we can just like RIP shit, get
43:05
it done. There's no weird.
43:06
Like I also don't like I struggle with like, I don't
43:09
know, like sometimes male producer energy is really like,
43:12
you know, like straight guy producer energy where they're
43:14
super just like. I only work with gay.
43:16
People yes like that's my vibe like and I love working with gay
43:19
people I. Only work gay people.
43:20
And so like my producer Jeremy is just like he has such a
43:23
lesbian vibe and totally even his girlfriend be like he's such
43:26
a lesbian and I just love it. And he just makes it easier.
43:30
And he went through that whole thing with me with Republic and
43:33
was also like, what the fuck? So it made it like it makes it
43:37
easier wave rapport. That's awesome.
43:38
Yeah, he produced. What it feels like, Yeah.
43:40
Oh my. God, let's talk about what it
43:41
feels like. Yeah.
43:42
Wait, is this about your girlfriend, Adore?
43:43
Yes. Oh my God.
43:45
Tell us about the song. OK, I wrote it when she was she
43:49
was filming a movie in South Africa last year and I wrote it
43:53
out like 2 AMI wrote it while I was recording my EP like in the
43:58
middle of it. And so, yes, Jawbreaker, Well.
44:01
It was not meant for a jawbreaker though.
44:03
No, it was just like, I just started writing.
44:05
It's like a music. Yes, totes, totes.
44:07
So I was just feeling it and I started writing it and it really
44:11
was one of those songs that just flowed.
44:13
And I kind of was a leaning. I was weirdly like right before
44:17
I wrote, I was watching this like poetry dude on TikTok.
44:19
And then I think I felt weirdly inspired by poetry.
44:22
And then I felt like I had to write a song.
44:23
And then it was very the feeling of like, how do I describe this?
44:27
And like. So beautiful.
44:28
Thank you so much, Oh my God. Thank you.
44:30
Wait how did you 2 meet? We met.
44:33
I hit her up on Instagram like thirsty, like Instagram.
44:37
Oh, we got toes. Classic.
44:39
Yeah, very classic. Like very like sweating emoji
44:41
and stuff. And and then I was in
44:44
Connecticut and I was damning her and I was like acting all
44:46
big baller. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna
44:47
like take like when I'm back. Like let's like go.
44:50
Wait a minute. And like, yeah, I was super
44:53
swaggy and like, but I was really nervous and I was like
44:55
literally telling my friend I'm like, I don't even know if I'll
44:57
be able to go through with it because like, she's so pretty
44:59
and like, I don't know if I can. Handle it.
45:00
And but one day I just hit her up really randomly, and I was
45:04
like, do you want to, like, go out tonight?
45:05
And then I met her and it was like, yeah, like totally like
45:09
sparkly. Like she has casted a fucking
45:11
spell on me. I swear to God.
45:12
Like I tell her that. Like I think she casted a spell
45:14
or something. It's like second I saw her like
45:16
so rap so done. Like I'm just obsessed with her.
45:20
She's like incredible. She's like we like she's just
45:24
like communicates like so beautifully and it's so normal
45:27
and like chill and just my best friend and we just like hang on.
45:30
Yeah, like nothing matters. Like I'm like, Oh my God, we
45:32
don't even like we don't even bicker.
45:34
We don't even argue how long. Have you been together?
45:37
Man, we're going on like a year and four months.
45:39
Oh my God are we all doing Fortnite after this?
45:41
Yes, Oh my God, we're always doing Fortnite.
45:43
Oh my God, Fortnite. And she's so good at Fortnite
45:45
now. She plays a lot of Fortnite.
45:46
And you're super good at the battle Royale.
45:48
Yes, 10:00 that OK. I was like, I feel like you said
45:50
something about that. That was good.
45:52
OK, cool. I was like, I feel like I'm
45:54
about to fucking bomb this. OK, wait, that's so awesome.
45:57
OK, that's super cool. And then also, oh, we should get
45:59
you a skin. I want to fucking Fortnite skin
46:01
so bad. OK, who do we talk to about?
46:03
I don't know because even like Chapel Roan, like she talked
46:06
about it for like a minute before they gave her a skin.
46:09
Really, we're going to start right now.
46:10
OK, Fortnite. Fortnite I want to skin.
46:12
I really want to skin Fortnite. I know that you might think I'm
46:15
like little small potatoes and I maybe don't deserve a skin, but
46:18
I'm let me tell you the statistics.
46:20
OK, guys, OK, give it. I have been, Oh my God, I'm like
46:22
leaning on, I'm like. The other day I did.
46:24
The statistics I looked on my Xbox and the hours I played
46:26
Fortnite. It might not seem like a lot,
46:28
but really think about this. For an entire 1% of my life I
46:32
have been playing Fortnite. So if you split my life into 100
46:36
parts based on hours that I played the game for one 100th I
46:39
have been playing Fortnite and I feel like that says something.
46:41
I'm sitting playing Fortnite. I've been playing it since I was
46:44
16. Dedicated.
46:45
Baby 100% I'm going a decade. Of Fortnite basically.
46:48
OK, honestly, we're going to get you a skin.
46:50
Would you be salty if Other Voice Sasha Allen got a skin
46:54
before you? I would literally have to file
46:57
some sort of lawsuit. I mean, really.
46:59
Actually, it'd be kind of iconic.
47:01
I'd have to get it. How camp would that?
47:04
Be. How fucking camp would that be?
47:06
Fortnite skin and I'd be like this is this is like she'd be,
47:09
I'd be like, she's out to get me.
47:11
Like she is a literally legend to get me.
47:14
The universe is just like, really just like taking you in
47:16
every direction, people. Believe there's another Sasha
47:18
out like that's crazy and shout to her she really is dope yeah
47:20
she up short of The Rolling Stones love her she's great have
47:23
you met her? No.
47:24
Have you interacted at all? Followed her on Instagram, like
47:27
when I was like 12 because my mom was like, there's someone on
47:30
The Voice named Sasha Allen. And I was like, that's so cool.
47:32
That's me. And so I followed her.
47:34
Yeah. And I still follow her.
47:35
Does she follow you? No.
47:36
Do you think she knows you exist?
47:38
I think. She knows I exist.
47:39
Oh my God, do you think she's like competitive I.
47:41
Kind of think she might have unfollowed me.
47:42
No way. I don't know because I'm like.
47:44
She's a huge Ariana stand. She saw the allegations.
47:47
Everyone's just an Ariana stand who saw the allegations.
47:49
But like, yeah, I think she has to be.
47:52
Oh, she's definitely aware of me.
47:53
We come up on Google, right? You do?
47:56
Yeah. And our.
47:56
Shit mixes together and so I'm like she has to also not like
47:59
this so maybe her and I need to figure it out.
48:01
Totally. Sit down.
48:02
You're going to get home. You're gonna get ready for
48:04
Fortnite. You're gonna cease and desist.
48:06
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
48:07
I mean, wait, is she? Active.
48:09
Yeah. Sasha Allen.
48:10
Yeah. Hell yeah out there.
48:12
Yeah. Really.
48:13
And we just share a name. And thank God we're very
48:16
different in musically, physically, literally a man and
48:20
a woman. So like. 100%.
48:22
Good that he's next. Week's guest for the show.
48:24
Yeah. Oh great.
48:25
Yeah, the SEO is going to be a nightmare for all of us.
48:28
OK, cool. No view for Sasha Allen.
48:31
That's crazy though. What are the odds?
48:32
Wait, have you ever thought about changing your stage name
48:34
because of that? I've thought about it and then I
48:36
was like, everything I do just feels like really lame because I
48:39
feel like I'm not a stage name guy.
48:41
Really. Just be like what?
48:42
Options did you have? Oh my God, I, I forget, but I
48:45
there were some. I can't even think of them, but
48:47
I was like S Allen to S Allen Salen.
48:50
Or you'd be sweeter Sasha, sweeter Sasha.
48:53
Sweet Sasha, sweetie. Oh cute, I like that.
48:57
Because Allen also like, I was also like never really like, I
49:00
was never like a fan of like I tried to come up with some sort
49:03
of stage name. And then I think when I was on
49:05
The Voice, I was like, I was on there with my dad anyway.
49:07
And so I'm like, it's obviously like going to be my name.
49:10
And then it felt like that was my name was.
49:11
Oh my God, I was going to start a new rumor for you just to
49:14
like, you know, clear out the other rumors.
49:16
I was going to say you're a Neppo baby and Lily Allen was
49:18
your mother. But I just realized the surname
49:20
doesn't work like that. But should we just go with that?
49:22
Rumor. Let's just go with that.
49:23
That works. So how's the nepotism being Lily
49:26
Allen? So good.
49:27
Oh my bad. I'm rising to the top you.
49:30
Are Oh my gosh. And you had a feature on West
49:33
Side Girl? Yes, yeah, yeah, I got that.
49:35
That's super cool. I love nepotism personally so
49:38
I'm jealous. I was like, I felt like I was
49:40
semi Ariana's nepo baby on The Voice anyway.
49:42
So really it was favoured. Like definitely the rest.
49:45
Of the team like hated you. No, I think we 'cause we all got
49:48
such special treatments, like all of us, All of us.
49:50
But we I was just the last one standing.
49:52
Totally different then none of them got Ariana hate page
49:54
allegations. None of them.
49:56
That's crazy. They really came for.
49:57
You I was they came for me, but I was loud do.
49:59
You think it's twink phobia? Yes, I think it is twink phobia,
50:02
'cause they're like who the get him out of here and I'm like,
50:05
you know, they're like. I should be Ariana's twink.
50:07
Yes, the exactly. And honestly, I can't, like, I
50:10
can't blame them because like totally, of course you're going
50:13
to think that. And like, I was very Twinkie and
50:16
I was very like, I was on the socials and I was like, yeah,
50:20
I'm not going to act like I never stirred anything up.
50:22
You know what I stir. Things up a little bit, OK,
50:24
Cluck. I was definitely like, I knew
50:26
the power of Stan Twitter. Like I'm not an idiot.
50:28
Like I used to love One Direction.
50:30
Like I was out there, you know what I mean?
50:31
Who's your favorite one? One Direction.
50:33
Yeah, Harold's hairy girl. Heavy.
50:34
Oh, Harold. Yep.
50:36
Oh, yeah, not to be like, like very like basic and like
50:38
typical. I was major hair, like really,
50:40
really, really, really intense for many years.
50:44
And, you know, like still love them.
50:45
But I I do know the power of like Stan Twitter.
50:48
Yeah, Stan everything. And I was like, why are we
50:50
ignoring this? Like let's harness.
50:52
Yeah, let's leverage that. And like I want like I want to
50:55
make the most out of this experience.
50:56
Totally, because you have such a massive platform when you're on
50:58
there. So I stirred stuff up and people
51:00
didn't like me off the bat and like, if somebody didn't like me
51:02
off the bat, I was going to be like, fuck you, loser, you know
51:04
what I mean? Totally.
51:05
And then I get a little track, but you know, almost 20.
51:08
I'm like. You know, fuck it, it's fun.
51:11
Yeah, whatever. Like you know exactly what
51:12
you're doing. We actually just started a
51:14
Twitter for me. Yeah, we have 4 followers.
51:20
That's basically I'm trying to get back to some.
51:22
Shit, right now I'm going to tweet a highlight from this and
51:24
be like Sasha Allen actually did have an Ariana Grande hate page.
51:28
You just edit it. I know.
51:30
We just. We just fucking dumped that
51:31
shit. We'll Photoshop something.
51:33
Yeah. We'll be like omits to it.
51:35
On to Lulu. Orion.
51:36
Lou, wait, OK, everyone. We'll we'll we'll discuss after.
51:41
OK, OK, so that's so that's so good.
51:44
Let's get back to your song. So this is the first song coming
51:46
off of like an upcoming project release.
51:47
More singles, more music coming out.
51:49
Yes, definitely like got I have. I have stuff coming very soon.
51:54
Really, yes, very soon, like definitely sooner rather than
51:58
later and stuff that's done and then I'm very excited to share.
52:01
Now that you have a budget, do you have a budget now?
52:02
Yes. OK, so now you're like really
52:04
going in. Yes, now I can like do stuff.
52:06
And I feel like because now with my new label, I feel like I
52:08
actually, they actually immediately gave me a team and I
52:11
was like, oh, like, that's what? How new?
52:14
Yes. Like they were like, here's your
52:15
marketing person. And I was like, oh.
52:17
Oh my gosh, how cool is that? That is super nice and you
52:19
probably didn't have expectations, right?
52:21
Yeah, I was like, I have no idea.
52:22
Like I was like, this could be a total shit show, but I'm just
52:25
going to sign. And because it seems like people
52:27
are nice and they're really like they're sweet.
52:28
They're that's. Honestly the best feeling, like
52:30
you want to work with people who are nice too, yeah.
52:31
They let me do what I wanted to in terms like a music, Like they
52:34
didn't have notes. They just wanted me to do what I
52:36
wanted to do. Yeah.
52:38
And I'm like, that's what I wanted, especially coming out of
52:40
something that was so not that at all.
52:42
Totally. Yeah.
52:43
Wait, I noticed your tattoos aren't like the same static.
52:45
Was that purposeful? Yeah, you got all by the same
52:48
artist. Yes, I do have a new one.
52:49
Oh my. Gosh, yeah, brand new.
52:50
One of my best best friends, Gabby is a tattoo artist and
52:54
does all of my tattoos. Yeah, let us know like.
52:56
Thank you. Yeah.
52:57
It makes it like very thankful to just know my tattoo artist
53:00
and be friends with them because like I want cohesive and like
53:04
for everything to look like it's all and your music.
53:06
Very cohesive. Yeah.
53:07
Thank you. Yeah, Like we said, you love a
53:09
harmonica. I love a harmonica.
53:11
You do. We can play the harmonica.
53:12
Yes, that's you playing it. Yes, I play everything on it.
53:15
I play I play Viola Banjo 12 string.
53:18
Regular. How do you know how to deal
53:19
that? Just my dad's a really good
53:22
musician. I grew up with a lot of music,
53:24
and I'm good at figuring stuff out.
53:26
You could probably, yeah, play harmonica.
53:28
OK. You just need to pick up the
53:30
harmonica because they're in the keys of the songs and it's
53:33
basically a little piano for your mouth where you breathe in
53:35
and out and it's a different note and you climb the stairs.
53:37
I don't know what a key is, if I'm being honest.
53:39
My producer just told me this weekend that I'd never sing on
53:41
key. I was, I was like, I'm about to
53:43
ask Chachi BT what a key is and he's probably completely right,
53:47
like. Honestly, you're probably
53:48
singing key. I probably.
53:50
You need to try harmonic. OK, I think that's how I'll
53:52
learn. I'm going to pick up a
53:54
harmonica. Everybody should try harmonica
53:56
because it's more, you know what, get AG harmonica, get a
53:59
playlist going that's just songs in the key of G and just try it
54:02
and you'll be like, wait a minute, like why am I playing
54:05
the harmonica right now? Oh my God, Sasha, a song is
54:07
going to come up on a playlist and you're going to be listening
54:09
and it's going to be me and you're going to hear harmonica.
54:14
I'm a I'll. I'll credit you.
54:17
Credit me. I'll credit you.
54:18
Yeah, actually, I'll have you play it.
54:20
Yeah. We'll work for hire you.
54:21
Want it? Do it.
54:22
OK, perf. Love, love, love.
54:23
Yeah, I love. Our Monica moment.
54:25
I love it. Yeah, I mean, like I said, like
54:27
I think the music's so pretty. Yeah, it's like very acoustic,
54:29
but then like country leaning, you know what I mean?
54:32
Obviously the lyric and storytelling.
54:33
Oh, can we talk about 20 something?
54:34
Yes, yeah. Yeah, I like that song a lot.
54:36
Thank you. I love that song.
54:38
That's like a little oldie. It is an oldie.
54:40
I have a song I just did last week called 20 Something.
54:43
Oh. My God.
54:44
Yes, so. Literally.
54:46
I know it's so different because Oh my God, I was getting ready
54:49
for the show and I was listening to the EP and I was like, I
54:51
texted my producer Miko and I was like, fuck, he has a song
54:54
called 20 something too. And I was like, Oh my God.
54:56
I was like, I'm so scared it's going to be similar.
54:58
It's so different but. Then we have a similar sentiment
55:01
because I have mine goes no one else who know nothing because
55:04
we're all just 20 something and then yours goes.
55:06
How do you mention? Yeah, yeah.
55:08
Damn, that's crazy. And I.
55:09
Was like oh fuck. And then he was like damn, is it
55:12
like super similar? I was like it's not similar
55:14
because mine's like super pop but same.
55:16
Sentiment because that's like what else you going to say like
55:18
20 something? That's the whole vibe.
55:20
True. Before I moved to LA and then
55:22
finished it in LA. Did you like I wrote it without
55:25
the crazy outro part of me like listing a bunch of shit and then
55:28
I wrote that part an hour before I played at the troubadour one
55:32
night and I memorized it all and it was really it was good.
55:35
I don't fit together and then I was like, wait, I like this song
55:37
now. It like was one of those songs
55:39
that took like a year or two. Breathe and then come back
55:43
together. That's so interesting.
55:44
You know what? Me too, because I wrote the
55:46
first iteration of it in 2019, and then I wrote the second
55:49
iterate when I was 2019. I was like 22.
55:51
Yeah, I was 22. Wrote the first iteration of it,
55:53
revisited it in 2021, revisit again in 2023, and locked in the
55:58
final right now. Same vibe, yeah.
56:01
Yeah, but. It's evolving it.
56:03
It completely evolved. Like, I lose my 20s.
56:05
Yeah, the way because I started at 22.
56:07
I'm 29 now. Yeah, Like, literally like I
56:09
lose my 20s. And then I was like, OK, now,
56:11
now we're really cooking. What's something to write about?
56:13
So. Just got 1 cook, someone starts
56:15
to sit. Interesting.
56:16
Yeah, that's so true. Yeah.
56:17
That was a really long one, to be honest.
56:18
Like I'm coming back to it. But yeah, that's why when I was
56:21
looking at her track list and I was like, wait a.
56:22
Minute I was like, oh, same song.
56:24
Yeah, so I was like, no, I'm going to get an allegation
56:26
because he's a guest on the show.
56:29
Oh my gosh. OK, let's clear it up.
56:31
I've had mine since 2019. OK, cool.
56:33
So then what do you do? You want to talk about what the
56:35
next song is going to be? I don't know what the next song
56:39
is going to. Be Oh, that's right.
56:39
You mentioned that before. You don't know.
56:41
Do you have one? You don't.
56:42
Know isn't. It cool to release music.
56:44
I love releasing music. Yeah, it's cool.
56:46
I'm so bad at like, like, I don't know, I'm bad with when it
56:50
comes to like the music side of like, like money and like things
56:55
and like releases and marketing. Like something in my brain shuts
56:59
off and I'm trying to train myself to like be better at that
57:03
because I think I just, I'm on like the art vibe of it.
57:05
And then it's like hard to, I get so ingrained in it
57:08
creatively and then I'm like, wait a minute, this is an actual
57:11
thing now that people listen to and react to and it determines
57:14
what my life looks like. But it's really exciting and I
57:18
don't know what is going to, I don't know what's going to be it
57:20
for something soon though. So you do know something's
57:23
coming? Because I have a lot of, I have
57:25
a lot sitting and I is this still.
57:26
Going to stay in the same vein as like what it feels like.
57:29
Yes, but a little there's some mix UPS like I've been not mix
57:33
UPS in a bad way. Like, yeah, like there's some,
57:36
there's some little twist I'm trying, but like all kind of
57:38
staying in the same, like, like it's still me.
57:43
Yeah. There's some bangers though that
57:44
are going to be coming out. Yeah.
57:46
Some heavy, some electric guitar moments.
57:48
Me too. Yeah, I love.
57:50
Electric guitar moment. Me too.
57:52
Oh my God, they're so good. It's so dreamy.
57:54
Yeah, I'm excited, and I'm because my producer rocks too,
57:56
and he just makes sweet choices that I would not know how to do
57:59
myself ever. So what It Feels like was a very
58:02
probably the most mellow song out of anything that I'm going
58:05
to be it. Feels like very adjacent to like
58:06
jaw breaker you. Know.
58:07
Yeah, yeah, because it was very just like me with a microphone.
58:10
Oh my gosh. So do you feel like going from
58:12
making this EPU the same producer with Republic, then
58:15
going and doing Jawbreaker all by yourself and then coming back
58:18
to like a producer? Like what's that experience?
58:20
Like Oh my God, it's like, it's honestly, I feel like I'm really
58:25
thankful for like struggling through recording my own shit
58:28
and I was supposed to experience that.
58:30
So I can really appreciate, like, having something just,
58:33
like sound objectively good and like, have someone that isn't,
58:38
like, I don't know, like someone that just knows how to produce
58:41
like a vocal track or like, just knows how to record it.
58:44
Yeah. Or has like a microphone That's
58:46
an actually good microphone. Yeah, no version.
58:48
Yeah, new appreciation for equipment, how fast things can
58:51
go, and also just being able to talk to like when you talk to a
58:53
producer and you're like, what if we just made it sound like,
58:57
and they're like, how about this?
58:58
And then they do it and they're. Like I feel like that's such a
59:00
good fucking feeling. So good.
59:01
Yes, when they understand you, can you really be making noises?
59:04
Yeah, and building with someone too, of like, I write the song
59:07
in solitude and then I bring it and I have an idea for it, and
59:10
then my producer will like give a note that changes the whole
59:13
song and it comes out different than I thought it would.
59:15
But I'm like collaboration. Has made it so cool too.
59:17
Yeah, and I respect him so much as a musician.
59:19
So it's like, it's nice. It was very nice not doing it in
59:22
solitude. That was heavy because I draw
59:24
myself fucking crazy. Do you feel like?
59:25
Everything happens for a reason. Because obviously you've had
59:28
such an experience, like everything that you've been
59:29
through. Yeah, because like, even talking
59:31
about this, you're like, I had to go through that.
59:33
So now I could appreciate this. Yes, everything.
59:35
I'm very like, everything that happens all the time is supposed
59:39
to happen and there's no avoiding it.
59:42
And that's literally just your life and the next step, like
59:46
there's no wrong move you can make because whatever the next
59:48
step is, it's what's supposed to happen.
59:50
And I try and stay like grounded in that.
59:52
And I learn a lot. Like you learn a lot.
59:53
I learned so much. Like if I didn't go through this
59:55
shit with the public, I could be signed to another label right
59:58
now that's doing the same. Thing.
59:59
Yeah, Capital. Yeah, like I got through it and
1:00:01
I now I know. And so I'm like, OK, I learned a
1:00:03
lot. I know.
1:00:04
Yes. What do we learn from the Aria?
1:00:06
I hate allegations. Oh my gosh, I learned that
1:00:09
sometimes there's nothing you can fucking do about people
1:00:13
saying shit about you because there's nothing you can do.
1:00:15
Like sometimes there's nothing as much as you can say like that
1:00:18
didn't happen. And what really matters is just
1:00:20
like your personal relationships and your personal vibes.
1:00:23
And sometimes turning off your phone, that's huge.
1:00:26
Like just stop. Like turn off your phone you.
1:00:28
Can like walk away from? It you can walk away.
1:00:30
Like I realized when I was like I, when I realized on TikTok, I
1:00:33
could just turn comments off and I didn't want to turn comments
1:00:35
off long time ago, like when I was getting conservative hate
1:00:38
and I was like, well, I can just turn the comments off.
1:00:40
And then I was like, it's done. And it's not feeding into
1:00:43
itself. And it's not like looping.
1:00:44
It's just done. No one's come back to my page
1:00:46
like everybody needs to turn off their phone and go the fuck
1:00:49
outside 100% and everyone needs to touch a little grass and
1:00:53
nothing actually matters. Yeah, you know, I had that.
1:00:56
Experience where like I was getting like an influx of hate
1:00:58
in like 2022. It sucks.
1:01:00
Oh it's bad. But I had to walk my dogs.
1:01:02
I put my phone in my apartment and walked my dog and I was like
1:01:05
oh it all just. Stopped.
1:01:05
Yes. You're like, wait a minute.
1:01:07
Oh my God, I'm a human being. Yeah, I was like.
1:01:09
Wait, none of that matters anymore 'cause my phone's not
1:01:11
even with me. Like it's crazy and like even
1:01:13
the fact like in that, like the fact like talking to Ariana and
1:01:16
her being like that would literally be funny.
1:01:17
Like I don't give a fuck that. 'D be funny.
1:01:19
Did you shit yourself when Ariana like confronted you on
1:01:21
that? Yes, 'cause I was like, Oh my
1:01:23
God, I don't want her to think that, 'cause that just sucks.
1:01:25
Like, yeah. And then it also made me on the
1:01:27
vibe of like, holy shit. It's big enough that she saw it.
1:01:30
But I also think, like people I don't know, celebrities see
1:01:32
everything. Yeah, maybe she's more
1:01:33
chronically online than she comes off fast, you know?
1:01:36
And like, but we're also chronicling we need to get the
1:01:37
fuck off. We do the Internet and just stop
1:01:40
And like not read. I don't even read comments.
1:01:42
Oh my God, would you be scared? If you like, you do this, you go
1:01:44
play Fortnite. You're chilling.
1:01:45
And then, like, in two weeks from now, you see like a viral
1:01:48
tweet of a clip of this show. Oh.
1:01:50
My God, I feel like fuck, I feel like it's happening again.
1:01:53
Then they'd be like, you really had a Taylor Swift hate page.
1:01:55
Oh my gosh. Hopefully not, no.
1:01:58
No clearing up, no Taylor Swift hate.
1:01:59
Page No Taylor Swift hate Page guys.
1:02:01
Yeah, like nothing at all. You've been vocal.
1:02:03
In public, it sounds so sauce. No, Taylor Swift.
1:02:05
We didn't have one. We didn't have one.
1:02:06
No, I love her. That's where we are now, though.
1:02:08
We have to address that. Yeah, people are crazy people
1:02:11
and I'm not really like, I don't really.
1:02:13
Yeah, I was never also like Stan Taylor Swift vibe.
1:02:15
I was just like I was horse girl Taylor Swift fan.
1:02:18
I wasn't Stan Twitter. Taylor Swift, not Stan.
1:02:20
Sword would just take off the day to like, yeah, just the
1:02:22
album. Yes, very that.
1:02:24
Okay, okay, okay, OK Speaking Out is a great album though.
1:02:27
It's such a good album. Yeah, and Fearless is Rupert.
1:02:29
Fearless. Is so good and I love debut.
1:02:31
Yeah, I love it. When she started doing pop, how
1:02:34
did you feel? I felt a little bit torn, but
1:02:37
like there was enough of her in there that I was like, wait a
1:02:40
minute, this is very. It's like story driven pop
1:02:42
still. Yeah.
1:02:43
Like, it was still in there. Like it wasn't it.
1:02:46
It was not soulless and pop music fucking like rocks.
1:02:49
But she did make the she turned like she switched especially
1:02:52
like after red like that Red felt like the last moment where
1:02:57
we still had, you know what I mean?
1:02:58
And it's. Like Ed Sheeran, Red had so many
1:03:00
elements of pop on it, Yeah. It was like she was sprinkling
1:03:03
it. No, she knew.
1:03:04
She knew. She knew what she wanted to do.
1:03:05
She did. And then her other, like I love
1:03:07
like lover. Like that's a fucking, I love
1:03:09
that album. Like poets?
1:03:11
Oh clock, Oh Stan Twitter. I'm so scared.
1:03:15
No, it just wasn't my favorite like I liked.
1:03:18
I didn't click with me as much and I think that's also just
1:03:20
because my taste in music was changing too.
1:03:23
Still listening to it and I still like appreciated it, but
1:03:25
it did not fall like I love Midnights and I didn't even
1:03:28
expect to love. Midnights or good?
1:03:30
Yes. Like that's a good.
1:03:31
Album and I honestly like, I think I like, I don't know, I
1:03:35
fell off a little bit and that's, you know what, for the
1:03:38
amount of time I've put in, taken off of school and done the
1:03:41
thing right. I don't always love her at a
1:03:43
calendar. For a night in Taylor Swift, the
1:03:45
loyalty was. And I'm still I'm Speaking of
1:03:46
Sasha. This is a good ass album.
1:03:48
So wait, but you have to change it now.
1:03:50
I don't know what sweeter Sasha sweetener Sasha that be crazy.
1:03:53
Yes that be a moment. Ohh.
1:03:57
Different Sasha Allen from The Voice.
1:03:58
Is that too long? Was she on before?
1:04:01
You Sasha, the other Sasha way before.
1:04:03
Me. That'd be very funny.
1:04:04
The other Sasha would be funny that.
1:04:05
'D be super funny, OK, we'll actually have her come back
1:04:08
we'll have you come back next week we'll have her on and you
1:04:10
guys could do. Get out.
1:04:11
Yeah. I just want to, yeah, we need to
1:04:13
get get down to it. Yeah, absolutely.
1:04:15
OK. I wouldn't mess with you.
1:04:17
You've done with your campaigns. I wouldn't.
1:04:21
I wouldn't play anything. OK Well we ask every guest on
1:04:24
this show what they're most do Lulu take is what is the most
1:04:27
delusional thing you believe think.
1:04:29
Oh my God, let me think for a second.
1:04:31
Could be mostly controversial. I believe the most delusional
1:04:34
thing I believe. Hate pages should exist.
1:04:41
Hate pages. Hate pages should exist.
1:04:46
Hate pages are we? Need to be a little bit more
1:04:48
careful about our identities when we have a hate page.
1:04:50
I think, I think, I, I think billionaires suck and the earth,
1:04:55
the earth is burning and everybody wants, most people
1:04:58
want to live in peace and harmony and we fucking can't.
1:05:01
And the world feels so loud and shitty and I think that all we
1:05:06
can do is just continue to live and exist while all fucking
1:05:08
burns down and fuck fuck all them.
1:05:10
Totally. I don't think that's the Lulu at
1:05:12
all. I know.
1:05:13
I think that's like kind of. Valid.
1:05:14
Yeah, me too. I think mine honestly
1:05:17
piggybacking off of yours would be this is the best time to like
1:05:20
really be creating. Because like, I think the world.
1:05:22
Needs the art right now. Exactly.
1:05:24
Like because I think living right now feels delulu totally
1:05:27
because I hate everything. I'm always like Oh my God Gary
1:05:30
Dare fucking country sucks so bad and I hate it to my core
1:05:33
and. Everything.
1:05:33
My core literally so bad. So bad, so ass.
1:05:37
Like fuck this shit A. 100%. Weird capitalism bullshit, but.
1:05:40
Yes, fuck all that. That's my delulu.
1:05:42
Tape Not even delulu at all. They're actually very normal.
1:05:44
Lulu. You're on the right show.
1:05:45
Oh my God. Wait, how do you feel about Is
1:05:49
this your first podcast? Yes, yeah.
1:05:51
You feeling so far? I feel good.
1:05:52
I like to yap. I kind of like yap you're.
1:05:54
Very you're I like your laugh. I do yap UN like unrestricted.
1:05:59
I talk a lot like I love like my best friend Maddie from
1:06:03
Connecticut. We'll talk on the phone for like
1:06:04
4 fucking hours. Like yap yap yap yap.
1:06:07
Yeah, I'll call my mom right after yap.
1:06:08
Yap. Oh my gosh, really?
1:06:09
You like the yappies? I love yappies and I'm I'm a bit
1:06:13
uncensored at times. Oh.
1:06:14
My God. But I like that.
1:06:15
That makes for a good podcast. Yeah, that makes for a good
1:06:17
podcast. I'm like, I'm like a good
1:06:19
listener, I would say. You know, my producer over
1:06:21
there, Brett, he calls me all the time and yaps for hours.
1:06:25
And I literally just like, yeah. I'm not as good of a listener
1:06:28
like I feel like I get ADHD and I like zone out but I do love to
1:06:31
yap. Oh my God.
1:06:32
OK Bron, don't call Sasha that. It wouldn't be a good yap
1:06:35
experience it. Would be a good podcast host.
1:06:37
You're very good podcast host. You think?
1:06:39
I think you are. I think, you know, really you're
1:06:41
good at the ping pong. And I would be sitting here
1:06:44
like, what the fuck do I say right now?
1:06:45
Oh my God, really? You're really good.
1:06:47
Thank you. And you're very flowy.
1:06:49
Oh my God. Seriously?
1:06:50
Yeah, you're flowy. Thank you.
1:06:51
Wait, what did? You like, know like for you
1:06:53
being in a bad mood today. Earlier I was you.
1:06:55
Really. You cranked it up and turned it.
1:06:57
Off Oh my God, guys, literally before we like started
1:06:59
recording, I was like, I told Sasha, I told him I was like,
1:07:02
OK, I'm going to turn on because I was like, because literally
1:07:06
when we were getting you from the parking lot, I was telling
1:07:08
Charlie I was like, I'm in a really bad mood.
1:07:10
Can you tell him he's like, no. And I was like, you can tell.
1:07:12
It's like we all can tell. That fucking sucks having to
1:07:15
host a podcast in a bad mood. I don't know you do that.
1:07:17
Seriously. Honestly, you put me in a good
1:07:19
mood. That's why when I was like, oh,
1:07:21
we should take a picture. Mina was like, should we do it
1:07:23
after? I was like, yes, you'll put me
1:07:24
in a good mood. Now I feel recovered.
1:07:26
I just don't wanna don't get don't give me my phone after
1:07:28
this. Yeah, OK.
1:07:29
Not a Dulu take, to be honest. Well, honestly, I feel like we
1:07:32
talked a lot about like everything, and I feel like I
1:07:35
learned a lot from you just from your experience.
1:07:37
So we have some bestie submitted questions.
1:07:39
This is www.adgd. What would a Dulu girl do?
1:07:42
And we're gonna answer what we think our advice on their
1:07:45
situations. Are Oh my God I wanna do that so
1:07:47
bad do. You think you're good advice?
1:07:48
Yes, I was literally just talking about this last night.
1:07:51
I wanna be on one of those podcasts where they, like, do
1:07:53
like the am I the asshole on like, Reddit?
1:07:55
Wait a minute, I guess this is a RIP off of that.
1:07:57
Oh my God. Wait, yeah.
1:07:59
Oh my fucking God. I was just talking about this.
1:08:01
We're going to do right now. Wait, how?
1:08:03
Excited OK OK, OK wait Oh my God, you manifested that I'm
1:08:06
like sweating I'm so excited I was just talking about this Oh
1:08:09
my God Oh my God and it's. Going to be good too.
1:08:11
These are juicy ones, OK? I'm so excited.
1:08:13
First one is my situation. Ship is catching feelings but I
1:08:16
don't want anything serious. What should I do?
1:08:18
Oh. My God.
1:08:19
Yeah. What do we do?
1:08:21
Gas. Like them?
1:08:23
Yeah, I be like, what are you talking about?
1:08:24
We weren't even anything. Tell them to stop.
1:08:26
Yeah, right. Like why?
1:08:27
Why continue? I mean, why?
1:08:28
I don't know the. Situation ship.
1:08:31
If they well, what are they going to do?
1:08:32
Like how far they going to? Take it like going to keep, are
1:08:35
you going to keep? You need to have a conversation,
1:08:37
right? You do.
1:08:38
I mean, that's like the rational advice.
1:08:40
I would cut it off because it gets uncomfortable.
1:08:42
It gets uncomfortable. Unless you love to be like
1:08:44
loved, It depends on if you want to be a Dick or not.
1:08:47
I got that. If you really don't give a fuck
1:08:48
about them because then if someone's lusting after you,
1:08:51
like everyone loves that feeling of someone having like a crush
1:08:53
like you know what I mean? Even if you're not interested,
1:08:55
it makes it better. 1,000,000% but it depends on whether you
1:08:57
want to be like a cunt or not. Right, OK, I agree.
1:09:02
I feel like I would do the gaslight thing.
1:09:04
I would just be like, I have no idea where you thought this was
1:09:08
going. Like I don't know why that
1:09:10
because like. But usually like I'm this person
1:09:12
might be leading them on a little bit low key.
1:09:15
High key, high key. It's always that.
1:09:17
It is always that. Because that's the only thing
1:09:18
that makes the situation ship fun.
1:09:20
Is like a little bit of like, you know what I.
1:09:22
Mean they give him poll, yes. Yeah.
1:09:24
But then when one of them gets in too deep, then it gets real
1:09:26
foxed. Yes, because someone starts to
1:09:28
get lovey and it gets. Lovey And then then they start
1:09:31
like really feeding into it. And it's like, Oh my God, da da,
1:09:33
da, you know? Yeah, and it's more fun when
1:09:35
someone's lovey too. It is.
1:09:37
Everyone loves to be chased. Everyone loves to be chased.
1:09:40
Everyone likes to feel desired. Yeah, that's toughy.
1:09:44
I don't know. That's tough.
1:09:45
Now that you gave me more contacts, now I feel like, I
1:09:48
feel like I have sympathy for that.
1:09:50
Yeah, You know what? If you want to be a good person,
1:09:52
you got to have a conversation with them.
1:09:54
Be like, are you OK, if we are you going to be good?
1:09:57
Like, are you going to be good in the end?
1:09:58
And if you want to be a shitty person, you keep reeling it for
1:10:02
your own benefit of feeling good, OK?
1:10:04
And it's just depends on whether you're good.
1:10:05
Or bad. That's honestly very tea and
1:10:07
very reflective. Yes, yes.
1:10:09
OK we have another one. So I'm talking to this girl
1:10:13
right now and I think she's really cool.
1:10:14
We have a really fun, flirty kind of relationship with each
1:10:16
other. It's very playful, not too
1:10:18
serious. I suspect she's using me to get
1:10:20
free video work but honestly I feel like I know better but I
1:10:24
keep entertaining it. What should I do in this
1:10:26
situation? I want to know what she's doing.
1:10:28
I just feel like maybe she's just like touching arms a lot
1:10:30
and she's like, Oh my God, you're so handsome.
1:10:32
And but then it's just like, it's like she just like in a.
1:10:35
Relationship. They're no.
1:10:37
Definitely not. They're not in a relationship.
1:10:38
No, that would never happen. But it's just like, it's like
1:10:41
she's like playing into to it to try to manipulate, you know,
1:10:44
yeah, what would we do? What should we do?
1:10:48
I don't know. It's tough, right?
1:10:50
Wait, I'm confused about this question.
1:10:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait.
1:10:52
Phrase it. Say it again.
1:10:53
OK, Say it again. So basically I have this playful
1:10:56
little flirty relationship with this person or whatever.
1:10:58
It's nothing too serious, but I suspect she's just using me to
1:11:01
get free video work and editing work out of me.
1:11:03
So like, what do I do about that?
1:11:05
Like I know better, but like, I still entertain it, you know?
1:11:09
What do you think? I don't know, I guess like.
1:11:13
I'll just be like, if you know better, then like, why keep
1:11:15
entertaining? It Why entertain it?
1:11:17
Why? Entertain it.
1:11:18
Why? Literally why?
1:11:20
Like literally why don't entertain it?
1:11:21
Maybe like you're lonely. That is lonely.
1:11:24
Everyone loves to be loved. Everyone loves to be.
1:11:26
That's sad and everyone's so lone.
1:11:28
I know. It's sad, I know.
1:11:31
That's sad. Everybody just, I mean, you got
1:11:33
to either like, yeah, sign up to be if you want to be used like
1:11:36
it's OK. I say that all the time.
1:11:38
Yeah, like you can be used for shit.
1:11:40
Yeah, You know what, if that's like what you're down for,
1:11:42
Totally. However you want to get like
1:11:44
your love and affection like whatever feels good.
1:11:46
What did you want? Like genuinely like, you
1:11:48
wouldn't want someone who genuinely like, cares about you.
1:11:50
Like actually is like attracted to you.
1:11:52
Like whatever, you know, Like, why play into the fantasy?
1:11:54
Yeah, like, yeah, it's delulu, but the same time it's just
1:11:56
like, like what? Yeah, no, stand up.
1:12:00
No, it's fantasy's not fun, right?
1:12:02
Well, Cam, I don't know. It's on the long run.
1:12:05
Yeah. Not when you feel like a loser
1:12:06
after. 100%. And it makes you feel like an
1:12:09
unlovable loser. Then it's not a fun fantasy.
1:12:11
And you're gonna end up feeling like an unlovable loser.
1:12:13
Waste of money going to Miami. It's just like all of it.
1:12:16
Yeah, no, yeah. And don't waste your money on
1:12:17
someone. It's like or in your time or
1:12:20
your. Time or your vibe or your like
1:12:22
anything emotional and don't waste your emotional energy.
1:12:24
1,000,000% off Yes exactly. And then honestly dinners get
1:12:28
really expensive. Yes. 100% dinner's expensive.
1:12:32
Dinner's SO. Dinner's a luxury.
1:12:34
A luxury. Luxury.
1:12:35
Yes, completely. OK, I think that's good advice.
1:12:37
OK, here's our final one. So my boyfriend is still really
1:12:40
close with his ex. Should I be concerned?
1:12:42
Yes Oh my God yeah that's fucking weird.
1:12:44
Super weird. Like unless the only reason it
1:12:47
if OK if his ex was like a girl and then the girl after their
1:12:52
breakup came out as a lesbian and now has a wife and they have
1:12:54
like a farm together and now the husband is friends with like the
1:12:56
lesbian and she's like a Butch lesbian.
1:12:58
Like that's one thing. But it seems like this is
1:13:00
probably a situation where the boyfriend just a fucking weirdo.
1:13:03
Wait, I couldn't. Follow that I was like.
1:13:06
Like like like say like the boyfriends If the boyfriends ex
1:13:10
is not boyfriends a lesbian or something like break up it's
1:13:13
yours down the line yours online his ex girlfriends now a
1:13:15
lesbian. She's married to a woman.
1:13:17
She's a Butch. They live on a farm and the
1:13:18
husbands like this is my ex-girlfriend like she's not
1:13:20
like your. Dream line.
1:13:22
I do much lesbian like like say like OK, like say I dated.
1:13:26
I got like there are crazy circumstances where it could be
1:13:28
normal. Like if I as a female dated a
1:13:31
guy and then I'm tech please X and now I transition to a male
1:13:34
him and I could be like Oh my God that's so funny.
1:13:36
Like where ex is whatever, but this obviously is definitely a
1:13:39
situation where like 99% of the time it's like that, that
1:13:42
something's weird and SUS. Yeah, and how would?
1:13:44
He how would he feel if like you know what I.
1:13:46
Mean 100%. I completely agree.
1:13:49
I think the only situation that would make sense here is this
1:13:52
exact specific situation you you detail.
1:13:54
Yes. So if it's like a Butch woman on
1:13:57
a farm with a wife and like pigs and stuff, like 100% exactly
1:14:01
like you're crazy. They're so cool to be friends.
1:14:03
Like stop getting in the way of his life.
1:14:04
But like 99% of the other scenarios that aren't.
1:14:09
That only. Only the farm Butch lesbians.
1:14:10
Yeah, I would. Hate someone being close to
1:14:12
their ex. Yeah.
1:14:13
And like, why are you close to them?
1:14:14
Yeah, totally. Like.
1:14:16
It's weird and also a very weird information.
1:14:18
I want like, I really want like a deep.
1:14:20
We need to like just gossip with these people.
1:14:22
That's what I want. I want like a full zoom call
1:14:24
where it can be like tell me the details.
1:14:26
The zoom call What's? His relationship with his mother
1:14:28
like give what are his friends like and.
1:14:30
Oh my God, we're gonna deep dive it.
1:14:32
Yes. OK.
1:14:33
So that's shitty, but yeah, no, 99.9% of the time.
1:14:35
Fuck that. Yeah.
1:14:36
Fuck that, fuck that. OK completely agree but honestly
1:14:39
for more context it is the Butch lesbian on the farm situation.
1:14:42
So we're good then? Yes, no, then it's good
1:14:44
completely. This person shouldn't even run
1:14:46
in. Like, they're crazy.
1:14:47
Completely. I agree.
1:14:49
I mean, you're gonna have to compete with them for the farm.
1:14:50
Yeah. You know, you and your family.
1:14:53
You. Just at that point, take
1:14:54
advantage of knowing Butch lesbians live on a farm because
1:14:56
that's. Like, yeah, that's the coolest
1:14:58
thing. Ever fucking dream.
1:14:59
That is the coolest thing ever. And they're out there.
1:15:01
Oh, period. OK, we'll be neighbors.
1:15:04
Let's all do that. That is the dream life.
1:15:07
OK, well, we already talked about this, but we close out
1:15:10
every show by manifesting together.
1:15:12
Obviously you want to have your farm and run away, but is there
1:15:17
anything else you want to speak into existence here?
1:15:19
On to Lulu. We notoriously make dreams come
1:15:21
true. Like Oprah.
1:15:22
Oh. My God, I want to speak into
1:15:24
existence my own personal peace and joy daily and peace and joy
1:15:31
for the planet. And for?
1:15:34
People to have love for each other.
1:15:35
That's beautiful. And for like, I don't know,
1:15:39
yeah, everything good. And for wars to stop and for
1:15:42
people to keep creating. I'm like, can I just tell you,
1:15:45
yeah, because you said that like I'm so proud of you going from
1:15:48
having an Ariana Grande hate page to manifesting World Peace
1:15:53
and love that. You've grown my page.
1:15:55
That page taught me a lot is it was a huge it was a big hate
1:15:58
account and it had a lot of. Followers.
1:15:59
It had a lot of followers and you dedicated so much of her
1:16:02
life to. It yeah, it was the Ariana Hater
1:16:03
King. Yeah, they called me that.
1:16:05
They did call you that, so that was your username.
1:16:07
It grows you a lot. I bet you, I mean statistically
1:16:10
you spent 2% of your life running that page.
1:16:13
Two percent, 5%. I was dedicated since I was a
1:16:16
kid. That's a little good.
1:16:17
Yeah, yes, Oh my gosh. I mean, doing that and being an
1:16:20
undercover with you at the same time, it takes a.
1:16:22
Lot of dedication. Fucking workload.
1:16:24
It was a workload. I need like 3° to do it.
1:16:26
It was a lot. But I'm so proud of.
1:16:27
You and I'm still going. I'm just undercover. 100% yeah,
1:16:32
absolutely. I'm.
1:16:32
So undercover right now, I'm in deep.
1:16:37
Wait, we're just kidding, y'all? It's a joke.
1:16:40
Jokes. Just kidding, just kidding.
1:16:42
I'm manifesting all of that too, to be honest.
1:16:44
Not to the same extent as you, but mine's, mine's so bad.
1:16:50
Mine's always like, I want to be pop star and everyone's like
1:16:52
World Peace. I'm like, OK, personal.
1:16:56
Joy because then that is pop *. Oh very pop *.
1:17:00
Because if you're like, if you want to be a pop ** and you wish
1:17:03
for joy, that joy is going to come in you finding what you
1:17:05
need to be and then you're a pop *.
1:17:06
OK, clock, clock joy. So honestly, it feeds back into
1:17:10
everything. You know, I'm going to manifest
1:17:11
that, too for my selfish intention of the pop stardom.
1:17:13
Yes. Period claim.
1:17:15
OK. Well, thank you so much for
1:17:16
being on the show, Sasha. Thank you.
1:17:18
This was really, really fun. Good.
1:17:19
I was in a bad mood, and you put me in a good mood.
1:17:21
And you were really chill when you got here too.
1:17:23
Yeah, because I'm very chill. I kind of just go with a yeah.
1:17:25
Like I don't know what I'm walking into ever.
1:17:27
I haven't like done a lot of things.
1:17:28
And so I just kind of go with the flow and take.
1:17:30
Are you like PR trained? Not at all.
1:17:32
I could tell you're not I. Just kind of.
1:17:33
Yeah, I could tell you're not PR trained, I mean.
1:17:35
Like. Here's a half question.
1:17:37
You're like, oh, I have a really big story.
1:17:39
About. That like here's this because I
1:17:42
don't know. What I'm fucking doing and I'm
1:17:43
like I just kind of walk in I'm like this looks cool like I
1:17:45
don't know where literally even you showing me around this place
1:17:47
and I'm like what the fuck is this?
1:17:48
Like still don't get what it is. No, absolutely.
1:17:51
Just a place that's like has shit and I'm like just.
1:17:53
A place that has shit in it. Yeah, yeah.
1:17:55
And like, yeah, it's cool. Oh my gosh, kind of roll up.
1:17:58
Totally not PR trained. That's really nice.
1:18:00
Honestly I feel like that's where I I'm very pure trained
1:18:03
but I'm mostly just like I don't give a fuck anymore like.
1:18:05
I'm even know what it means honestly.
1:18:07
The point of having to publicist is that they'll handle your pure
1:18:09
crisises for you, you know? Charlie's like you're putting me
1:18:12
in crisis. Oh, my God, I know.
1:18:14
I give this man nightmares. Oh.
1:18:18
My God, no, I Oh my God. Well, anyways, I don't have an
1:18:22
Ariana Grande hate page, so I think we're all clear here, you
1:18:25
know? I don't either for now.
1:18:28
OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. I I contemplated a little bit
1:18:32
after I didn't get wicked, but I let it go.
1:18:35
So congratulations Ariana, but thank you so much to our besties
1:18:40
for watching this episode. This was your healthy dose of
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1:18:43
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1:18:48
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Instagram at Speak now Sasha for now Twitter Speak now Sasha for
1:18:55
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1:18:58
said like Sashi, but it's SASH 1 E.
1:19:01
They just made it a long time ago and I'm on Spotify and Apple
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Music and streaming services as Sasha Allen.
1:19:07
But these like we've, you have to look, there's two of us guys.
1:19:11
So it's one of them. We're going to have to put a
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little effort in so we could stream, but we're definitely
1:19:15
going to be streaming what it feels like the Jawbreaker EP and
1:19:18
all the upcoming music. That's all shows.
1:19:19
A lot of my music a. Lot of upcoming music.
1:19:21
We were promised bangers, so we're holding you to that.
1:19:24
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Make you a hate page. Oh, make you a hate page for
1:19:46
good press. Yes, cuz that's a good press.
1:19:47
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Make.
1:19:49
You a hate page? We'll make you a hate page.
1:19:51
Would you have time to run multiple though?
1:19:52
I don't have a big roster. I have one for you.
1:19:56
You're not good. Yeah.
1:19:57
I haven't found it, but yeah. Oh my God, I'm.
1:20:00
I'm tweeting the whole time. Such a fucking nightmare.
1:20:04
I would. Love that.
1:20:05
Oh my God, imagine that rumor. Should we start that, Charlie?
1:20:10
Retweet the hate page. Retweet the hate page.
1:20:12
After this, we'll make you a hate page too.
1:20:14
Your roster is me and Ariana Grande.
1:20:17
OK, stardom. I like that.
1:20:19
OK, period, period. And then I'm openly Taylor
1:20:21
Swift. Of course, for you, Nami, I'm
1:20:23
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1:20:26
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