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ACLU Fights Discriminatory SB12; Dementia Donnie Lies About HBCUs; Father of Selena and Tejano Remembered - TPN 12/21/25 · The People's News

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Speaker 1: People's News. Happy Holidays. Senate Bill twelve past this last
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Speaker 1: Texas legislative session, relates to parental rights in public education,
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Speaker 1: to certain public school requirements and social transitioning, and to
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Speaker 1: student clubs at public schools. On the surface, it sounds
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Speaker 1: like a good bill that will help kids, but in reality,
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Speaker 1: it can be used to discriminate against students who are lesbian, gay, bisexual,
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Speaker 1: and trans, and other minorities. This bill would ban club
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Speaker 1: organizations that are deemed gay or otherwise. This could spread
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Speaker 1: to groups that support African Americans or other minorities. The
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Speaker 1: American Civil Liberties Union Texas was in court asking for
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Speaker 1: a preliminary injunction in a hearing for the lawsuit GSA
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Speaker 1: Network at Al versus Marath at Al that would block
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Speaker 1: the state from enforcing key provisions of Senate Bill twelve
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Speaker 1: statewide to prevent further harm for the plaintus families and
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Speaker 1: other students and teachers until this case has been resolved.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl Lutt, attorney for the ACLU of Texas, explain the
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Speaker 1: case and how it would hurt others.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so, we have filed these lawsuits against SB twelve
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Speaker 2: in August, at the end of August, right before it
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Speaker 2: went into effect on September first of this year. The
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Speaker 2: four provisions of SB twelve that we are challenging are
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Speaker 2: the inclusivity ban, which it prohibited school districts from allowing
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Speaker 2: school employees, contractors, or volun tiers from doing diversity equity
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Speaker 2: and inclusion activities at four or on behalf of schools.
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Speaker 2: We believe that that infringes on the free speech rights
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Speaker 2: of students and teachers and all school employees. We also
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Speaker 2: believe that there is we're also challenging the GSA ban,
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Speaker 2: which is a ban on the LGBTQI plus school organizations
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Speaker 2: that students across Texas and across the country take part in.
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Speaker 2: SB twelve explicitly banns those organizations from existing on K
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Speaker 2: through twelve public school campuses. There's also a Don't Say
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Speaker 2: Gay provision, and this provision prohibits school employees and third
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Speaker 2: parties from giving students information about sexual or orientation or
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Speaker 2: gender identity. And the last section of the bill that
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Speaker 2: we are challenging is the social transitioning ban, which prohibits
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Speaker 2: school employees from assisting students in social transitioning.
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Speaker 3: It's strange to a lot of people because this should
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Speaker 3: not be an issue of us. Should be a private issue,
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Speaker 3: not something that the statement should be taking up. What
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Speaker 3: was what were some of the grounds that you were
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Speaker 3: using to try to try to fight this.
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Speaker 2: So we have challenged SB twelve on First Amendment grounds,
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Speaker 2: alleging that it violates the free speech rights of students
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Speaker 2: and teachers and parents and volunteers as well at the schools.
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Speaker 2: And also it violates the freedom of assembly to not
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Speaker 2: allow student groups to meet based on the conversation they
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Speaker 2: might be having. And also we are challenging it on
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Speaker 2: the Equal Access Act. The Equal Access Act is a
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Speaker 2: federal law that prohibits schools from I guess, not allowing
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Speaker 2: certain groups to use school facilities where they have already
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Speaker 2: opened the school up for groups to meet. Yeah, those
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Speaker 2: are the grounds that we're challenging this on.
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Speaker 3: This opens, this opens the door for in tasks. We
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Speaker 3: know that state and people talk about state's rights, but
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Speaker 3: people use state rights to deny die people based on race.
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Speaker 3: And so when you've got somebody uh forming an organization
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Speaker 3: or or deny them of being able to use a
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Speaker 3: certain space that can be that can be spread out
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Speaker 3: to all types of things down the line.
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Speaker 4: I don't think this, I.
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Speaker 3: Don't think I don't think this race of people's need
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Speaker 3: to be using their facility because of uh they make
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Speaker 3: They can make up any any excuse. So this seems
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Speaker 3: like it's a dangerous trail that there that the state
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Speaker 3: is going.
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Speaker 4: What are their arguments against all this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So some of the things that the government is arguing. Specifically,
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Speaker 2: their main argument is that a lot of SB twelve
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Speaker 2: doesn't apply to the First or the First Amendment doesn't
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Speaker 2: apply to SB twelve because of the government speech doctrine.
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Speaker 2: And this just means that when the government is speaking
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Speaker 2: or people are speaking on behalf of the government, as
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Speaker 2: in like school employees and contractors, that the government feels
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Speaker 2: that they should be able to say what they want
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Speaker 2: without having to abide by the laws of free speech.
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Speaker 4: What do you where do you go from here?
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Speaker 3: You're going you're taking it at a level now, right.
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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we're challenging the law federally in order to
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Speaker 2: get an injunction, and the injunction will stop the school
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Speaker 2: districts in the state from using this law to discriminate
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Speaker 2: against people. And you said something interesting that I want
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Speaker 2: to go back to a little bit. SB twelve is
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Speaker 2: already affecting people based on race. The inclusivity ban prohibits
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Speaker 2: programs and activities based on race, color, ethnicity, and gender
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Speaker 2: identity and sexual orientation. And so there's even like parts
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Speaker 2: of SB twelve that are in the inclusivity ban that
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Speaker 2: say that students can meet to discuss these issues in
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Speaker 2: like student groups, but that a faculty member cannot sponsor
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Speaker 2: that group. So this is already yeah, it is already.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but how can you from the group?
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Speaker 3: How can you form a group in a school and
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Speaker 3: not have a faculty member sponsor it? Because, uh, that
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Speaker 3: sanctioned by a You can't just have like a.
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Speaker 4: Group.
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Speaker 3: You have a gang of kid to say, hey, I
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Speaker 3: want to I want to start a group, and I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna get a gang, and then they can do that
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Speaker 3: without having any type of faculty sponsorship. That's why you
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Speaker 3: have faculty sponsorship, so somebody can check on on the
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Speaker 3: group and make sure that they're abiding by the rules
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Speaker 3: and regulations as a school. So how are they saying
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Speaker 3: that for like an LGBTQ group and not like future
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Speaker 3: Farmers of.
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Speaker 4: America so to speak?
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Speaker 2: Right, Right, It's a really interesting situation where it seems
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Speaker 2: that most people don't really know how SB twelve is
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Speaker 2: going to be implemented across the board. It seems that
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Speaker 2: school districts are, you know, interpreting the law and deciding
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Speaker 2: for themselves what how to implement the law. And I
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Speaker 2: think that can look really different across school boards, especially
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Speaker 2: with the question that you ask, like how do you
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Speaker 2: allow students to do this without a faculty sponsor? Like
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Speaker 2: what does that look like in practice? And I think
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Speaker 2: the truth is is going to cost a lot of
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Speaker 2: confusion and trying to implement that part.
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Speaker 5: Of the law.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and then that brings up the whole issue of
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Speaker 6: like different different, different school districts that have different rules,
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Speaker 6: especially in the rural communities.
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Speaker 4: A gay student maybe the office us put to the.
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Speaker 3: Side because of it, because of what he wants wants
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Speaker 3: to do, or somebody that does not want the might
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Speaker 3: have religion in school, you know, or to tend to
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Speaker 3: Madmerson the school and a kid that does not Muslim,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be.
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Speaker 7: I don't want to be a part of that being
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Speaker 7: forced to.
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Speaker 3: Be forced to buy by these rules with these school districts.
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Speaker 7: And that's been a problem in the past.
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Speaker 5: How is that?
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Speaker 3: How are they trying to get around that given it
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Speaker 3: given the power to the school districts and we already
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Speaker 3: have a problem within the books.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not really sure how they're gonna get around that,
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Speaker 2: I think, and that's part of what we are challenging.
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Speaker 2: The raw at the twelve. We're challenging that it is
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Speaker 2: overbroad as it and it stops way more speech than
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Speaker 2: it plainly says on the page, like their intention is
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Speaker 2: to stop the information flow for things that have to
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Speaker 2: do with race, ethnicity, sexual identity, and sexual orientation and
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Speaker 2: gender identity, but it could also bleed into so many
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Speaker 2: other areas. And so one of the arguments that we're
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Speaker 2: making is that the law is overbroad and the law
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Speaker 2: is vague because it doesn't really give school districts clear
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Speaker 2: instructions on what to do to where this law can
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Speaker 2: be implemented justly across the board at different school.
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Speaker 3: Districts in the states that and judgment take place.
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Speaker 2: We're not sure that is up to the judge. We
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Speaker 2: don't have a timeline for when the judge might get
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Speaker 2: back to us with his decisions.
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Speaker 6: Also, are you looking for this to build on the
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Speaker 6: Supreme court level or do you think to go that
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Speaker 6: way because I know if you succeed in the injunction
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Speaker 6: that would be appealed.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Possibly, But I think I think that we are willing
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Speaker 2: to take the fight wherever the fight needs to go.
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Speaker 2: But there's really no telling what the future holds with
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Speaker 2: SB twelve and other state laws.
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Speaker 1: That was Cheryl Lutt, attorney for the ACLU of Texas. Historically,
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Speaker 1: black colleges and universities began as a way of providing
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Speaker 1: access to Black Americans to higher education where they did
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Speaker 1: not have access to mostly white established colleges and universities.
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Speaker 1: That tradition continues today as historically black colleges and universities
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Speaker 1: still drive today's economic environment for African Americans. But the
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Speaker 1: convicted felon and adult, seventy nine year old Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: is leading an attack on HBCUs. Trump suggested that HBCUs
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Speaker 1: would go out of business without students from China. This,
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Speaker 1: like everything else that comes out of that mouth, is
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Speaker 1: a lie. Kevin Harris and Richard McDaniel are veteran democratic
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Speaker 1: strategists and proud alumni of Howard University and Morehouse College.
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Speaker 1: They co host Maroon Bison presents the Southern Comfort Podcast.
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Speaker 1: We talked to them about the history and the continued
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Speaker 1: survival of HBCU schools.
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Speaker 3: Can you tell me about the OpEd about HBCU schools
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Speaker 3: and the dangerous rhetoric that people are assuming about HBCU
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Speaker 3: schools that don't know, so, you know.
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Speaker 9: I went to Howard University.
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Speaker 10: Richie is a Morehouse grand and one of the things
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Speaker 10: we cover quite frequently in our writings and on the
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Speaker 10: podcast is advocating for HBCUs and also correcting a lot
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Speaker 10: of the misinformation that's out there about HBCUs, both broadly
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Speaker 10: but also within, uh even within the African American community.
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Speaker 9: Uh.
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Speaker 10: You know, HBCUs are one of the best returns on
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Speaker 10: investments in terms of economic mobility, in terms of pipelines
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Speaker 10: of talent that exist in the United States, and we
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Speaker 10: need to be clear about that. And people need to
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Speaker 10: respect what these institutions mean to the country. We need
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Speaker 10: to respect what they produce in the country. And when
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Speaker 10: we hear some of this, uh, some of this rhetoric, uh,
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Speaker 10: it's it's just, uh, it's just disturbing and not reflective
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Speaker 10: at all of what HBCUs actually produced.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And also, you know, mister Richehnna, I'm a Texas Southern
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Speaker 3: University graduates. It's it's people assume because of what's been
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Speaker 3: what's happening at HBCU school. And we talk about the
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Speaker 3: history of we've had all types of incidents.
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Speaker 4: That happened on campus.
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Speaker 6: We had.
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Speaker 3: Uh, fraud and money issues for years on end. And
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Speaker 3: I think that that that blackens to that blackens to
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Speaker 3: do what people assume about HBCU schools, that they're always
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Speaker 3: in trouble and they always they never can't they never
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Speaker 3: can't get this financial situation and they always asking for stuff.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's always a blackballer or HBCU schools.
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Speaker 3: Besides all the positive I think that that.
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Speaker 10: Is a reflection not of of of HBCUs, but a
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Speaker 10: reflection of the double standard that people put on HBCUs.
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Speaker 9: They're fraud UH.
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Speaker 10: There's all types of mismanagement and different things like that
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Speaker 10: that exist in any institution, right, but only when it's
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Speaker 10: HBCUs do people want to put the bad or or
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Speaker 10: the worst story or child the cherry pick.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 9: And so our point is if you're going to talk about.
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Speaker 10: HBCUs and tell the whole story, and there's no way
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Speaker 10: that you can tell the whole story and not acknowledge
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Speaker 10: that it is that HBCUs will continue to be one
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Speaker 10: of the top talent producing institutions in the country despite
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Speaker 10: his historic disinvestment and under UH investment.
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Speaker 9: And so what you just laid out again, you know.
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Speaker 10: Like I said, that's just that'sn't that's not indicative of
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Speaker 10: HBC using the value that they hold to the country.
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Speaker 9: And to the Black community.
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Speaker 10: That's just indicative of the double standard that people want
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Speaker 10: to put on our institutions.
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Speaker 11: And you know what this is, Richard McDaniel, I think
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Speaker 11: in communities of color, misinformation doesn't just pray confusion, it
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Speaker 11: actively damages defension making right, when young Black students believe
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Speaker 11: lives about HBCUs being second rate, they make you know, uh,
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Speaker 11: educational choices based on falsehoods that limit their futures. So,
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Speaker 11: you know, one of the things that the mis information
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Speaker 11: does when you spray lives about HBCUs being dependent or fragile,
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Speaker 11: you're not just attacking, you know, our institutions, You're trying
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Speaker 11: to undermine you know, sixteen billion dollars of economic you know,
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Speaker 11: engine that could cut off plafways opportunities for those same
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Speaker 11: black students and their families.
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Speaker 3: Well then also we see we see it all the
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Speaker 3: time in athletics. You know, you see a family, an
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Speaker 3: African American family, choosing to go to take their kids.
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Speaker 4: To hire to.
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Speaker 3: A big school, so to speak, instead of taking them
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Speaker 3: to ANAGEPCU school where they're actually gonna graduate.
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean with nil.
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Speaker 4: You know that.
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Speaker 11: I think that is that has created even more of
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Speaker 11: a period impact and a real big blow to HBCUs
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Speaker 11: and so of their athletics program.
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Speaker 10: And just one thing I would add to that as
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Speaker 10: well about that conversation around HBCUs and sports.
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Speaker 9: The beautiful thing about an HBCU is that an HBCU.
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Speaker 10: Believes that you can be anything, and an HBCU is
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Speaker 10: willing to invest in you for whatever it is that
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Speaker 10: you want to be UH, independent of whether or not
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Speaker 10: you can shoot a.
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Speaker 9: Basketball or or or run real fast on the football field.
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Speaker 10: And that is another one of the reasons why HBCUs
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Speaker 10: in terms of their investment UH, in terms of their
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Speaker 10: advancement of black people, that's another reason why they're unparalleled.
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Speaker 10: Some other schools may only look at you as only
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Speaker 10: important to them if you can be an athlete, but
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Speaker 10: HBCUs invest in you and are there for you no.
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Speaker 9: Matter what it is you want to be.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people looked at the Trump administrations where
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Speaker 3: he gave he had a press conference where he.
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Speaker 7: Said that he was he was investing in HBCU schools
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Speaker 7: and the money money is going to be going into
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Speaker 7: those schools and they're going to be able to compete
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Speaker 7: with with other top schools. What's going on with that?
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Speaker 3: And explain that, Explain that because a lot of people
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Speaker 3: you know, on the outside think that they're being there,
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Speaker 3: they're going to being taken care of.
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Speaker 10: Well, what I would say is that you know, Trump
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Speaker 10: specifically his record on HBCUs.
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Speaker 9: Uh, you know, it is mixed.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 9: You know a lot of times.
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Speaker 10: Where there have been increases in UH funding for HBCUs
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Speaker 10: there you know, on on one hand and on the
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Speaker 10: other hand, Uh, there'll be reductions in other areas. But
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Speaker 10: any increase that happens with HBCUs, rather it's with Trump
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Speaker 10: or Idy administration. Uh, any increase is happening against the
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Speaker 10: backdrop of his historic disinvestment, and so no one president
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Speaker 10: can fully fix that. We need to see investments across
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Speaker 10: the board at the state level and the federal level
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Speaker 10: over successive administrations, Democrat or Republican, to really invest in
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Speaker 10: hbc US the way that we rightfully should be invested in.
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Speaker 10: And you know, one thing to note the people is
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Speaker 10: that while we fight for more funding and fight for
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Speaker 10: more investment, don't lose sight of the fact that we
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Speaker 10: continue to produce. We continue to produce well above the
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Speaker 10: investment that we get. And that's why again you know,
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Speaker 10: our accomplishments I think stand alone amongst any other institutions. Right, So,
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Speaker 10: rather it's Trump fighting whoever it is, the fact of
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Speaker 10: the matter is no one president can fix it. We
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Speaker 10: need to see successive investments cross the administrations to repair
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Speaker 10: some of the disinvestment that has happened in our schools
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Speaker 10: UH for for decades now. But again, despite that, right,
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Speaker 10: we continue to produce some of the top talent in
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Speaker 10: the country.
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Speaker 3: And we talked about on the state level of the
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Speaker 3: defunding on a state level, and I'm using ourself. I
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Speaker 3: can start it off with Tennessee State and the way
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Speaker 3: they the states prior to take money away from that school.
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Speaker 3: And that continues downline in Louisiana and in Florida where
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Speaker 3: they're using DEI as an excuse to try to with
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Speaker 3: the with the with the state of historical HBCU schools.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we we we do see that.
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Speaker 10: And and one of the things that you know, we
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Speaker 10: talk about UH in the in the our fad we
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Speaker 10: wrote it the economic impact of of HBCUs and of
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Speaker 10: our graduates and the talent that we produce. Right, So
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Speaker 10: on the one hand, you can't talk about economic growth.
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Speaker 10: You can't talk about economic competitiveness with countries like China. Right,
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Speaker 10: you can't talk about that and talk about America first
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Speaker 10: and making America great and all that other stuff. You
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Speaker 10: can't be serious talking about that while at the same
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Speaker 10: time working against the institutions that create some of your
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Speaker 10: best talents. And so if you're going to continue and
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Speaker 10: approach of disinvestment in HBCUs, then you're not really serious
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Speaker 10: about America being great or America being globally competitive. There's
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Speaker 10: no way for that to fully happen if you're disinvesting
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Speaker 10: in HBCUs.
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Speaker 3: I've gotten this from people that say, well, your university's
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Speaker 3: right next to the big university or University of Houston
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Speaker 3: and Houston Take Centers, next Start is right across the
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Speaker 3: street from there. Why can't your kids go there? The
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Speaker 3: same thing in Florida said, why can't your kids just
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Speaker 3: go to Florida Florida University or Miami with private school
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Speaker 3: But and the same thing in these other states where
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Speaker 3: they have like these big large schools, and and people
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Speaker 3: always can always criticize HBCU schools.
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Speaker 4: It's like, why do you have it?
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Speaker 3: Why why should we fund this school when you have
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Speaker 3: this big school down the street that they can go to.
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Speaker 3: I know the answer that, but you might want.
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Speaker 5: To tell you might.
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Speaker 10: I was about to say, this is why we got
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Speaker 10: to have history so that people understand why HBCUs exist
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Speaker 10: in the first place.
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Speaker 11: Uh it you know, it kind of reminds it reminds
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Speaker 11: me of it was a clip when someone has Benzel
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Speaker 11: uh because of course Hazy or someone direct you know, fences.
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Speaker 11: And he said, it's a cultural thing and it's something
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Speaker 11: you wouldn't understand. He compared it to the smell of
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Speaker 11: understanding of hot calm on your on your sister's hair
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Speaker 11: in the morning, or understanding you know, uh why the
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Speaker 11: church lady keeps that templemented or pursed. Right, It's a
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Speaker 11: cultural thing and only a certain person would understand how
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Speaker 11: to create those aspects in movies that are dedicated for
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Speaker 11: the estimating community. And it's the same thing. Is it's
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Speaker 11: rooted uh in developing the mind for for basically for
24:20
Speaker 11: a culture.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, and we got And the only thing I would
24:27
Speaker 10: add to that too is that you know, people are
24:29
Speaker 10: allowed to pick the best school and the best institution
24:34
Speaker 10: uh for them, for themselves and for their needs.
24:37
Speaker 9: And so I would similarly ask, well, then why why
24:40
Speaker 9: would some of those.
24:41
Speaker 10: Folks consider our schools which most people don't realize that
24:45
Speaker 10: you don't that it's HBCUs are not exclusively attended by
24:50
Speaker 10: by by black people. Uh, there are several students, right,
24:55
Speaker 10: particularly when you look at our law schools and our
24:58
Speaker 10: medical schools, a lot of of kids of all races attend.
25:02
Speaker 9: Those schools at HBCUs.
25:03
Speaker 10: Why do they do it because they're looking at the
25:05
Speaker 10: ROI They're looking at the quality of the education that
25:08
Speaker 10: they're getting, oftentimes at a lower price point.
25:14
Speaker 9: They're not saddled with the same amount.
25:16
Speaker 10: Of student debt that they would if they were to
25:18
Speaker 10: go to some of the majority white schools. And so
25:23
Speaker 10: I really don't understand that that at thinking right as
25:28
Speaker 10: though we shouldn't be allowed to go to the to
25:31
Speaker 10: the very best school for us and and and get
25:36
Speaker 10: a quality of education. And for many black folks that
25:40
Speaker 10: HBCU is that that's the best school for them for
25:44
Speaker 10: any number of reasons. And if this is supposed to
25:47
Speaker 10: be America and it's about freedom, well people should have
25:50
Speaker 10: freedom of choice, and an HBCU should be an option
25:54
Speaker 10: if that's what is best for you.
25:57
Speaker 9: And I think in the case of being rich for
25:59
Speaker 9: various reasons, right, HBCUs were the best for us. And
26:04
Speaker 9: I've not just not been a date that I've regretted it, and.
26:07
Speaker 11: You know, to even expand upon that. Like Kevin and
26:10
Speaker 11: I both are from the South, we're both from two
26:15
Speaker 11: black cities. I'm from Atlanta, I Kemis from Birmingham. But
26:19
Speaker 11: you know this, we're talking about a time where Atlanta
26:22
Speaker 11: was sixty black sang with Birmingham, and growing up we
26:28
Speaker 11: were we understood that we were in institutions and schools
26:33
Speaker 11: that we saw ourselves. But for many black students who
26:36
Speaker 11: aren't from places like Atlanta Birmingham, HBCUs are the first
26:40
Speaker 11: place that they see themselves reflected in their professors, in
26:44
Speaker 11: their curriculum, uh and the institution's mission, right, So that matters.
26:50
Speaker 11: And when you spend four years being told you actually belong,
26:53
Speaker 11: you carry that confidence with you into boardrooms, operating rooms,
26:57
Speaker 11: and courtrooms out in the real world for the rest
27:00
Speaker 11: of your life. And so you know, p wis the
27:05
Speaker 11: black students often spin energy proven they belong at HPCU.
27:09
Speaker 11: That energy goes into excelling, right, you know, I always
27:13
Speaker 11: say at more House, right, it's the patheon for black
27:16
Speaker 11: men to succeed, you know. And that's a small difference, right,
27:20
Speaker 11: That's the difference between survival mode and thriving and thriving mode.
27:25
Speaker 1: That was Kevin Harris and Richard McDaniel, veteran democratic strategists
27:30
Speaker 1: and proud alumni of Howard University and Morehouse College. They
27:34
Speaker 1: co host Maroon Bison presents the Southern Comfort Podcast. On
27:39
Speaker 1: the first day of Honkkah in Sydney, Australia, fifteen people
27:42
Speaker 1: were killed and dozens wounded in a terrorist act by
27:46
Speaker 1: two men. The Jewish community in Houston still celebrated the
27:49
Speaker 1: first night of Hanukah with the lighting of the first
27:52
Speaker 1: Menora candle, and even went on a parade around the
27:56
Speaker 1: city with a lighted Manora on top of cars in
27:59
Speaker 1: bel Air. The mood was joyful and filled with words
28:02
Speaker 1: of encouragement, support and resilience to those affected. In Australia,
28:09
Speaker 1: security was tight, but leaders and groups came out in support.
28:13
Speaker 1: Mendel Berkelewitz talked about the event.
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Speaker 9: All right, colp me out if it's going and.
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Speaker 12: It's been an incredible evening. I came here from New
28:24
Speaker 12: York Talbot and it's been an incredible opportunity of privilege
28:28
Speaker 12: to be a mark. Lovely crowd, lovely people, incredible.
28:34
Speaker 7: Show, incredible mandar letting.
28:36
Speaker 10: It was all.
28:36
Speaker 12: Really, it was beautiful, and especially after the awful news
28:42
Speaker 12: we heard this morning, it was a real comfort and
28:45
Speaker 12: it was an event that gave hope and inspiration and
28:48
Speaker 12: we can overcome such darkness and we can go forward
28:51
Speaker 12: with the light of faith, the light of the of
28:53
Speaker 12: Kanaka spreading it forward.
28:57
Speaker 1: The World Cup is coming to Houston and the US.
29:00
Speaker 1: We talked to football analyst Glenn Davis.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's all systems go now. This makes
29:06
Speaker 8: it become a lot more real Richard. You know all
29:10
Speaker 8: the hype and you know celebrities and all. I actually
29:14
Speaker 8: thought once we got into the draw, I loved how
29:16
Speaker 8: quickly it moved and put the groups together. But forty
29:20
Speaker 8: eight teams makes it a little bit different. I think
29:23
Speaker 8: it makes it obviously expansive, but in a way where
29:28
Speaker 8: the groups look pretty fair and pretty measured. When it
29:31
Speaker 8: comes to the mix of teams, maybe there's a group
29:35
Speaker 8: or two that might look a little bit more competitive,
29:37
Speaker 8: which pushes towards a group of death. But all in all,
29:40
Speaker 8: I think the host nation's got a good draw, and
29:43
Speaker 8: you know, it's good to get it over with. Now
29:45
Speaker 8: we got the storylines, we can begin to talk about matchups, games,
29:50
Speaker 8: et cetera.
29:51
Speaker 6: You know what teams are going to be playing in Houston.
29:53
Speaker 8: Yet I think what we see is we're definitely going
29:57
Speaker 8: to get some big teams. We're going to get Germany
29:59
Speaker 8: and Netherlands, Spain, potentially a Portugal and Christiano Ronaldo. I
30:05
Speaker 8: think there's a good bet.
30:05
Speaker 5: On some of these.
30:07
Speaker 8: So we'll find out. You know, obviously this is right
30:11
Speaker 8: after the draft. We find out tomorrow what the schedule
30:14
Speaker 8: of games are.
30:16
Speaker 6: And how do you feel how do you feel like
30:18
Speaker 6: this World Cups are going to hold up?
30:20
Speaker 11: How do I think it's going to hold up.
30:22
Speaker 8: I think there's some unknown to it, obviously, because it's
30:24
Speaker 8: an expansive tournament, forty eight teams, as we mentioned, for
30:27
Speaker 8: the first time ever. I'd like to see the country
30:30
Speaker 8: get behind the US, who got grouped in Group D
30:32
Speaker 8: with Paraguay and Australia. There's one more team in the
30:35
Speaker 8: winner of playoff seed to go in with the US.
30:39
Speaker 8: But look, it's the World Cup. Amazing things happen. Cape
30:45
Speaker 8: Verde is in it, right, a small country off the
30:47
Speaker 8: coast of Senegal. Maybe not winning a match is even
30:53
Speaker 8: important to them. Maybe it's scoring the first ever goal
30:55
Speaker 8: or drawing a game. There's something in it for everybody.
30:59
Speaker 8: But as far as the United States, they've got to
31:01
Speaker 8: set the bar high. And then of course you got
31:03
Speaker 8: all the great traditional countries that we all know we'll
31:06
Speaker 8: be in there competing. The Germany's, the frances the Argentinas,
31:11
Speaker 8: the England's, the Spains that have alved in World Cup winners,
31:15
Speaker 8: the Brazil's.
31:18
Speaker 11: All we're going to be able to.
31:19
Speaker 3: Security wise, they're still not talking about the president's talking
31:24
Speaker 3: about somebody asked about ice raids and if you're going
31:26
Speaker 3: to have something like that going on, or immigration and
31:29
Speaker 3: people talking about the heart is going to be to
31:31
Speaker 3: come over here for matches.
31:33
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, people, I.
31:36
Speaker 8: Can't tell you on that. I know there would be
31:38
Speaker 8: a lot of security at this though. I do know
31:40
Speaker 8: there's a huge budget for security, especially in this climate now.
31:44
Speaker 8: But outside of that, no, I don't think people are
31:47
Speaker 8: going to have trouble. It's the World Cup. People are
31:48
Speaker 8: going to get here. If you do it the right way,
31:50
Speaker 8: you'll get in.
31:52
Speaker 3: And being the prime ticket prices as a constn of
31:55
Speaker 3: some but for you know, for people who have been
31:57
Speaker 3: the World Cups, you kind of you expect, you kind
32:02
Speaker 3: of expect the price to be a little bit more
32:03
Speaker 3: than your average football ticket to your local match.
32:09
Speaker 8: Well, look, I mean these are questions that are you know, Look,
32:13
Speaker 8: the ticket pricing is high. Okay, let's face it, there's
32:16
Speaker 8: no question about it. This was a game created because
32:19
Speaker 8: you could kick a ball all over the world, but
32:20
Speaker 8: it's now been monetized. This is where sports is now.
32:24
Speaker 8: It's highly commercial. I like to focus on the playing
32:28
Speaker 8: of the game.
32:29
Speaker 4: Now.
32:29
Speaker 8: I bet you there is going to be some sort
32:31
Speaker 8: of a sliding scale, so you know, maybe if you
32:35
Speaker 8: get two teams that are don't have big followings or something,
32:39
Speaker 8: maybe that you're going to get into a World Cup
32:41
Speaker 8: game for less. I don't know, only FIFA knows the
32:43
Speaker 8: answer to this. I do think a lot of people
32:46
Speaker 8: have noticed how high high the pricing is and that
32:50
Speaker 8: has left not the best it taste in people's mouths.
32:54
Speaker 8: And again, sports is ultra commercial now. It's run by
33:00
Speaker 8: quote unquote intellects and data people, and their primary focus
33:06
Speaker 8: a lot of times is the monetary side of it
33:10
Speaker 8: and monetizing it. And you know, people like you and me,
33:13
Speaker 8: we're all about the football side of it.
33:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of football, we got a major, major dain
33:20
Speaker 3: coming up, the Vancouver white Caps against Miami FT. Nobody
33:26
Speaker 3: would have when this season started would have picked Vancouver
33:31
Speaker 3: to be in the Ins Cup. How special is that?
33:35
Speaker 8: Well, it is special. But let's let's do two things
33:38
Speaker 8: about Vancouver that turned him around. They hired yes Per
33:41
Speaker 8: sword Ands and the Danish coach very close to the
33:44
Speaker 8: beginning of the season, and then they signed Thomas Muller.
33:47
Speaker 8: This was a good team before Mueller got to it.
33:49
Speaker 8: Muller hasn't made it now a better team. But more importantly,
33:54
Speaker 8: he has flipped Vancouver into a massive, massive soccer city. Now.
33:59
Speaker 8: He has done in incredible work on and off the
34:01
Speaker 8: field to promote the team. They were getting crowds of
34:03
Speaker 8: fifty thousand. He's one of the greatest players in World
34:06
Speaker 8: Cup history. He's one of the greatest players in soccer history.
34:10
Speaker 8: And he's just got this great, fun, loving attitude. So
34:13
Speaker 8: he's really flipped it there. And of course then You've
34:15
Speaker 8: got a matchup with Lanel Messi and Jordi Albas or
34:18
Speaker 8: Jeoe Brusquetz are going to retire, so he kind of
34:21
Speaker 8: got a dream star match up there between these two teams.
34:25
Speaker 8: But you know, Vancouver had been a very dormant franchise
34:29
Speaker 8: for a long time, didn't draw well. You know, you
34:32
Speaker 8: kind of put them in the category of the teams
34:35
Speaker 8: in MLS. It just seemed to exist but not really
34:37
Speaker 8: do much, and they've blown up. So I think it's
34:41
Speaker 8: a great final looking forward to it. As much as
34:45
Speaker 8: we can complain about too many teams make the playoffs
34:48
Speaker 8: and games that aren't consequential during the regular season, the playoffs,
34:52
Speaker 8: especially the recent matches have been great.
34:55
Speaker 3: Where do we see And I went to ask you
34:59
Speaker 3: about Yance from Columbus taken over at Celtic in Scotland.
35:05
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
35:06
Speaker 8: I think it's wonderful. Well for Nanci really carved out
35:11
Speaker 8: an excellent career in MLS. Obviously it was very successful.
35:16
Speaker 8: It's very cool to see him get a job at
35:19
Speaker 8: a legendary club like Celtic taken over from Martin O'Neil.
35:23
Speaker 8: I mean, Celtic is a club with just men's history
35:27
Speaker 8: in Scotland. The good news is Scotland's made the World
35:30
Speaker 8: Cup too, so that shines a little bit of light
35:32
Speaker 8: on their Premier League. So good good news. I hope
35:36
Speaker 8: he's very successful there. I always love seeing those that
35:39
Speaker 8: come from MLS do well in other areas of the world.
35:42
Speaker 6: And yeah, it's going to ask how important it is
35:44
Speaker 6: for him to do well there for other MLS coaches
35:47
Speaker 6: did more looks?
35:50
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's always important. Yeah, I think human
35:53
Speaker 8: nature tells you if somebody is successful and they're coming
35:56
Speaker 8: from an area, then all of a sudden, you look there.
35:58
Speaker 8: I mean, look at the American player. The American players
36:01
Speaker 8: now more coveted than ever. We see more Americans on
36:04
Speaker 8: big teams like Juventus and Milan and Premier League teams
36:07
Speaker 8: like Crystal Palace and Fulham. We see more and more
36:10
Speaker 8: of that. So you know, look, this will be a
36:13
Speaker 8: World Cup. There'll be some trends, there'll be studies of
36:15
Speaker 8: the World Cup. Now with all the data, and when
36:18
Speaker 8: it's over, whoever wins the World Cup, you're going to
36:21
Speaker 8: have a number of people around the world trying to
36:22
Speaker 8: copy their style of play from the professional level down
36:26
Speaker 8: to eleven year old.
36:27
Speaker 1: We also talked to Rodrigo Dialuma, a longtime supporter of
36:31
Speaker 1: football for years in Houston.
36:34
Speaker 5: Richard, by the way, first of all, Hi, how you
36:36
Speaker 5: doing today?
36:37
Speaker 6: Yeah?
36:37
Speaker 5: You know, it's the World Cup draw came today, and
36:41
Speaker 5: it's weird because you have forty eight teams. You have
36:43
Speaker 5: all these groups and the one thing that tends down
36:46
Speaker 5: I think you probably probably caught it the first one way.
36:49
Speaker 5: There's no group of deaths. You got too many teams,
36:53
Speaker 5: you know, too many teams, and you know, you have
36:55
Speaker 5: a lot of teams that may have not gone any
36:57
Speaker 5: other way unless you went to forty a team tournament,
37:01
Speaker 5: uh format, So it's it's no group of death really.
37:06
Speaker 6: The tournament a lot of teams, not of new teams,
37:08
Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of a lot of old teams.
37:11
Speaker 6: Is it's gonna be competitive? What's the us looking like?
37:14
Speaker 2: What?
37:15
Speaker 10: You know?
37:16
Speaker 5: The whole thing is is the the teams that like
37:20
Speaker 5: Haiti and other teams that never probably never never got
37:24
Speaker 5: this chance. It will be just to see how they
37:26
Speaker 5: react and how pumped up they are, and how how
37:29
Speaker 5: good they how well they'll play against uh, you know,
37:33
Speaker 5: the powers, the powers that be right. So that's that's
37:36
Speaker 5: kind of what I'm looking to see, you know, because
37:38
Speaker 5: of those upsets in the World Cup, right that that
37:40
Speaker 5: come every now and then Kate Bardi, Kate Berdie, Haiti, uh,
37:47
Speaker 5: you know, Haiti.
37:49
Speaker 6: Come closer to qualify for a World Cup by the way,
37:53
Speaker 6: they never never made it.
37:54
Speaker 4: They came really.
37:55
Speaker 5: Close, but you know, they they they knocked out Costa Rica,
37:59
Speaker 5: which everybody thought Costa Rica and do US might and
38:02
Speaker 5: start in Central America would be the ones to pass.
38:05
Speaker 5: And look what Haiti did, you know. So that's you know,
38:08
Speaker 5: that's that's achieve it in itself.
38:10
Speaker 6: That's along with the violence and chaos that's going on
38:13
Speaker 6: in that country, they still they still were able to qualify.
38:17
Speaker 5: Unfortunately. Yes, you know, that's a country that's the poorest
38:19
Speaker 5: country in the region and they've struggled so many years,
38:22
Speaker 5: you know, with with Duvalier and Papa Doc, jul Air
38:26
Speaker 5: and Baby Doc and you know they're they're they're showing Braduay,
38:29
Speaker 5: I'm glad they made it to be something for the
38:31
Speaker 5: people to be happy about.
38:33
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
38:34
Speaker 3: When we have Mexico.
38:35
Speaker 4: Of course, you know.
38:41
Speaker 6: It's still fitteenth in ranking, but they're a lot as
38:43
Speaker 6: strong as they usually usually are.
38:45
Speaker 5: Mexico is a disaster. Mexico with Bosco with uh, with
38:50
Speaker 5: I Guita Losco is not going to do anything.
38:53
Speaker 7: Uh.
38:54
Speaker 5: And you've seen the team that if you watch them,
38:56
Speaker 5: player they've got, they've shown nothing. South Korea, I think
39:01
Speaker 5: tough gree in South Africa. Two the teams in your group.
39:04
Speaker 5: And you know what those two teams can beat them,
39:06
Speaker 5: can beat Mexico and embarrassed.
39:08
Speaker 9: Them and embarrassed them.
39:10
Speaker 1: Yes on homes on home store.
39:12
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, yes, sir, oh yeah, no, you do not
39:17
Speaker 5: do not discounted.
39:18
Speaker 3: Uh.
39:18
Speaker 5: This this is not the Mexico of ten twenty years ago.
39:22
Speaker 5: You know, vascow Guire is a two time loser when
39:26
Speaker 5: it comes to the national team. They bought him in
39:28
Speaker 5: for a third time. And you've seen these last games.
39:30
Speaker 5: They won't about six games they have ever won. Six
39:34
Speaker 5: games they've either gone or lost. And you see how
39:38
Speaker 5: they played against Turkey and they barely beat them, but
39:41
Speaker 5: you know they lost. They they lost the part of
39:44
Speaker 5: why too, you know. And the game against Uruguay, I
39:48
Speaker 5: mean it's just nothing there, there's nothing there.
39:53
Speaker 6: And then and Ken we can talk about a little bit.
39:56
Speaker 3: Also, you know the.
39:59
Speaker 4: US coast, but you got some strong players.
40:01
Speaker 5: Canada's the songest team in contact for me. What you
40:08
Speaker 5: know what they've done with this coach here. You know
40:11
Speaker 5: you've seen them, the way they play. I mean I
40:12
Speaker 5: think they can. They can they I think they can.
40:16
Speaker 5: This World Cup can be a good one for them.
40:17
Speaker 5: I have a feeling that these kids can step up.
40:20
Speaker 5: You know, US is still very you know, US is
40:22
Speaker 5: is good, but then again they're not consistent. But it'll
40:25
Speaker 5: be just you see what Canada does. You know they're
40:27
Speaker 5: playing on your home soil as well.
40:30
Speaker 3: And this West World Cup is being held in the
40:33
Speaker 3: United States, Canada and Mexico. What do you think how
40:37
Speaker 3: this turn this tournament is going to look and how
40:39
Speaker 3: I would whether it be a success for failure or
40:42
Speaker 3: what do you think?
40:43
Speaker 5: Greek countries, the United States, Canada, Mexico. If you come
40:46
Speaker 5: from a poor country, let's say, for example, I'm following,
40:51
Speaker 5: Let's say, hey, right, or another poor country. You know,
40:56
Speaker 5: if your team plays in Monterey, then next next, next, next,
40:59
Speaker 5: next game, they say they've got to go play in
41:02
Speaker 5: Toronto or or you know another US market is stay Philadelphia.
41:08
Speaker 5: Whatever that's expensive. You know that's expensive. You know and
41:12
Speaker 5: the prices go up, the ticket prices go up for
41:14
Speaker 5: the flights, and the hotel rooms go up. I mean,
41:16
Speaker 5: it can be very challenging for for people that don't
41:20
Speaker 5: have American Express, that don't have the money to travel
41:22
Speaker 5: like that. And it's just not just them but their families.
41:25
Speaker 5: It's it's it's what really makes me hot under the
41:29
Speaker 5: colors that last year they put the World Cup of
41:32
Speaker 5: Clubs here in States, and they have the World Cup,
41:34
Speaker 5: I mean this year, you know, then now they have
41:35
Speaker 5: the World Cup a year after. It's it's a lot
41:38
Speaker 5: of expense for the normal person. It is getting to
41:41
Speaker 5: be the leadist game to me. You know, I don't
41:44
Speaker 5: know how you feel about that, but I mean you
41:46
Speaker 5: see regular people being priced out.
41:48
Speaker 11: These prices are not cheap.
41:50
Speaker 2: You know.
41:51
Speaker 6: It's not football fans that you know, it's prices football
41:54
Speaker 6: fans out out out of out of the market exactly.
41:59
Speaker 1: Abraham King Tania Junior, the father of Late Tojano's star
42:04
Speaker 1: Selena Kirtania, has passed away at the age of eighty six.
42:08
Speaker 1: The news was confirmed by his son ab Kidania the
42:12
Speaker 1: Third on Instagram, expressing the family's grief over the loss.
42:17
Speaker 1: Kingtanilla Junior was instrumental in shaping Selena's career and was
42:21
Speaker 1: a guiding figure in her life. He was born on
42:24
Speaker 1: February twenty second, nineteen thirty nine, in Corpus Christi, Texas,
42:29
Speaker 1: and began his music career with the group Los Dinos
42:33
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties. He was a huge influence on
42:37
Speaker 1: the Tejanos scene. We talked with local DJ Isaac Rodriguez
42:43
Speaker 1: about the death of Kingtania Junior and his influence on
42:46
Speaker 1: Tejano music.
42:48
Speaker 4: So, Abraham Kitania is from Corpus Christi and he was
42:52
Speaker 4: a part of a movement that was happening here in
42:54
Speaker 4: Texas during the sixties of young Chicano's, young Mexican Americans
43:00
Speaker 4: that got into soul music, right, because these kids are
43:03
Speaker 4: Mexican Americans born here and they want to do what
43:08
Speaker 4: every other American kid is doing.
43:10
Speaker 2: Right.
43:10
Speaker 4: So what what music is big during the sixties, It's
43:14
Speaker 4: soul music. During the fifties, R and B and rock
43:18
Speaker 4: and roll. Well, he came up during the sixties, and
43:21
Speaker 4: during the sixties there was all these bands across Texas
43:24
Speaker 4: and Corpus Christi, San Antonio, Houston. They were playing soul
43:28
Speaker 4: music and these guys again were Mexican Americans. Well, this
43:31
Speaker 4: era uh became became known as Chicnald's Soul, meaning basically,
43:38
Speaker 4: all it means is Chicnald's playing soul. And these kids
43:41
Speaker 4: were going around town. They were going around the the state,
43:45
Speaker 4: touring playing chicnald Seoul to to these different communities around
43:51
Speaker 4: the state and around the nation. A lot of these
43:53
Speaker 4: bands were torn across the nation. And so Abraham was
43:58
Speaker 4: a part of a group called law Finos out of
44:01
Speaker 4: Corpus Christi, and these guys were getting playing the duop,
44:04
Speaker 4: they were playing the R and B, and they were
44:06
Speaker 4: playing the soul music. So Abraham already had his his
44:12
Speaker 4: years put in the industry, in the music industry years
44:16
Speaker 4: before Selena was even born. You know, when Selena was born,
44:20
Speaker 4: when you know, when he started having kids, he started
44:24
Speaker 4: getting quote unquote real jobs, right real nine to five
44:27
Speaker 4: where he had to to step away from the music
44:30
Speaker 4: industry to take care of his family. So again, he
44:34
Speaker 4: was a well seasoned musician. He had recorded several albums
44:38
Speaker 4: with Latino's on seven over on several different record labels,
44:43
Speaker 4: forty five everything. So yeah, it's just a little bit
44:47
Speaker 4: on his beginnings.
44:51
Speaker 6: Dus gus amazing in himself because a lot of people
44:55
Speaker 6: don't know.
44:55
Speaker 3: The convention between soul music and giannod.
45:00
Speaker 9: You know, that's something that that's.
45:02
Speaker 4: Something that's lost in translation.
45:04
Speaker 9: And except for.
45:05
Speaker 3: People that are DJs, that people have no music.
45:08
Speaker 4: How did he how did he go?
45:09
Speaker 5: How did he?
45:10
Speaker 6: How did he go from there to work the ninety five.
45:13
Speaker 3: To getting back into the music.
45:16
Speaker 4: So, so when he was working a nine to five,
45:19
Speaker 4: they had uh moved to Freeport, Texas. Uh, he moved
45:28
Speaker 4: his family over there because he was working on the
45:32
Speaker 4: oil field. I believe he had got a job working
45:34
Speaker 4: somewhere in Freeport. And when he was he would strum
45:39
Speaker 4: his You know, all musicians, we we keep an instrument
45:43
Speaker 4: in the house, right. We might have a guitar, we
45:45
Speaker 4: might have a drum, set of bass, keyboard just laying around.
45:48
Speaker 4: Just when we get bored, we'll pick it up and
45:50
Speaker 4: and we'll strum on it, you know. So, so Abraham
45:54
Speaker 4: would be sitting there in his living room playing his guitar,
45:58
Speaker 4: and here comes to I believe she was five years
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Speaker 4: old at the time, his daughter, and she would start
46:05
Speaker 4: singing along to the songs he was playing. So, of
46:09
Speaker 4: course you know again, going back to musicians, right, you
46:13
Speaker 4: always have that that thirst to want to create. You
46:17
Speaker 4: always have that thirst to think, oh this this will work,
46:21
Speaker 4: you know. So he sees the potential and his daughter,
46:25
Speaker 4: and so he comes up with an idea, Well, let
46:27
Speaker 4: me get my daughter to sing. And while I'm at it,
46:30
Speaker 4: I have I have other kids, a son and another daughter,
46:34
Speaker 4: and let me get them on the instruments. So he
46:37
Speaker 4: got his younger son Aby on the bass, and he
46:41
Speaker 4: got his daughter Susette on the drums, and Abraham played
46:44
Speaker 4: guitar and Selena sings. So so so what he did
46:49
Speaker 4: is he made the family start practicing and learning covers.
46:53
Speaker 4: And once you get a band together, right, your job
46:56
Speaker 4: is to go out and find shows. So I don't
46:59
Speaker 4: know what the market was with the venues were back
47:01
Speaker 4: then in Corpus, but instead of going and finding a
47:05
Speaker 4: place to play, he cut out the middleman and he
47:08
Speaker 4: opened his own restaurant and he put a stage there.
47:12
Speaker 4: So with that restaurant, now he has an in house
47:15
Speaker 4: venue where his kids can perform every week, you know,
47:20
Speaker 4: every weekend. So these are this is the seed for
47:24
Speaker 4: the group that would come on to change the world.
47:27
Speaker 4: Selena and Losino's playing in their father's restaurants.
47:31
Speaker 3: And I know also locally we had people in Houston
47:36
Speaker 3: that Gus Garza et cetera, that that knew him and
47:41
Speaker 3: came from that came from a corpus and brought that
47:45
Speaker 3: brought that music along in Houston.
47:46
Speaker 4: Not correct on that, yeah, so so so you know,
47:50
Speaker 4: we have to think about the time right back when
47:53
Speaker 4: even once Selena was performing, she wasn't this huge world
47:58
Speaker 4: star and she wasn't a global star. When she was alive.
48:02
Speaker 4: She was in the Tejano circuit. You know, she was
48:04
Speaker 4: barely breaking out of Tehano. So ab uh Selena's dad, Yes,
48:10
Speaker 4: he worked with with everybody in the tjnal music scene.
48:13
Speaker 6: You know.
48:14
Speaker 4: You you know, when Selena would come to Houston, it
48:16
Speaker 4: wasn't you know, the Hanald fans were supporting her, but
48:19
Speaker 4: there was really no one outside these communities that were
48:22
Speaker 4: supporting Selena, you know. So yes, then then a b.
48:26
Speaker 4: When you come to Houston, you know, you might go
48:28
Speaker 4: talk to Gus Garza, who's a promoter. You might you know,
48:31
Speaker 4: you're gonna play with this local band, this this local
48:34
Speaker 4: band that's barely coming up, is gonna open up for
48:36
Speaker 4: Selena and vice versa. When when you know, when you
48:39
Speaker 4: go to Corpus, when you go to San Antonio, there's
48:41
Speaker 4: a whole network of Tejnal musicians and te Hanald promoters
48:45
Speaker 4: and te Hanal record labels. So so yes that the
48:48
Speaker 4: Honal community was big, but it was small enough for
48:52
Speaker 4: everybody to know each other. And Selena was was well
48:56
Speaker 4: known in Houston throughout the clubs, from the promoters on
49:00
Speaker 4: the radio, and again, you know, she didn't become a
49:04
Speaker 4: worldwide phenomenon until after her passing.
49:08
Speaker 3: And you know, we talk about the whole music music
49:11
Speaker 3: scene in general.
49:12
Speaker 9: I mean, people don't understand.
49:15
Speaker 4: How Tanto now is.
49:19
Speaker 3: Something that's that's that's huge than people would have even
49:23
Speaker 3: thought when gust and Gustine's guys were doing the thing.
49:26
Speaker 1: Back in the day.
49:27
Speaker 4: You know, how's it?
49:28
Speaker 9: How does it?
49:29
Speaker 10: Haw?
49:29
Speaker 3: Does it recognized over the border in Mexico, So.
49:34
Speaker 4: It's not it's not as well accepted, but it is accepted,
49:40
Speaker 4: especially in cities like Monterey, Monterey, Mexico, there where there's
49:45
Speaker 4: a big fan base for Tejano music. You know, La
49:48
Speaker 4: Mafia goes to Houston, Tehanod band La Mafia goes to
49:53
Speaker 4: Mexico quite often and they're selling out. Uh. But you know,
49:57
Speaker 4: in the beginning, Tejano was not accepted in in Mexico.
50:01
Speaker 4: It's just two different cultures, right, Uh. Where Mexico has
50:04
Speaker 4: North Seniel music, uh, Texas has Tejano music. Both of these,
50:08
Speaker 4: both of these genres are are focused on the accordion, right.
50:12
Speaker 4: The accordion is a is a heavy instrument, and and
50:16
Speaker 4: and Norteno and tejanand and uh. And there's kind of
50:20
Speaker 4: a rivalry, well who started using it first, who created
50:24
Speaker 4: this sound first? Because when the Germans came from Germany
50:28
Speaker 4: and and the Polish, they settled in north in in
50:31
Speaker 4: in southern Texas and northern Mexico, they brought their instrument
50:34
Speaker 4: along with them. And guess what happens after that? The
50:38
Speaker 4: you know, the the people on the Mexican side and
50:40
Speaker 4: the people on the Texas side, they pick up those
50:42
Speaker 4: accordions and they and of course what we do as
50:46
Speaker 4: as brown people, just as everyone else does, we have
50:50
Speaker 4: our own flavor to it. So these these Mexicans and
50:53
Speaker 4: tejnalds were they were uh covering these German polkas. But
50:59
Speaker 4: then they started adding Spanish lyrics to them. They started
51:02
Speaker 4: UH making them a little faster. So there's always been
51:06
Speaker 4: a rivalry between UH Texas and Mexico. And now I
51:12
Speaker 4: believe that it's more accepted because you know, the the
51:16
Speaker 4: tracks have been laid in Tehanald and and if you
51:19
Speaker 4: and if you're a fan of music, if you're a
51:20
Speaker 4: fan of the sound, if you're a fan of that era,
51:23
Speaker 4: you're gonna you're gonna, you know, it doesn't matter where
51:26
Speaker 4: you're from, You're gonna accept you know, accept it, gravitate
51:30
Speaker 4: toward it and just want to, you know, listen to
51:32
Speaker 4: it and dance to it, you know, because the hand
51:34
Speaker 4: is a it's a big dancing.
51:37
Speaker 1: Music.
51:37
Speaker 4: But but I will say La Mafia does quite well
51:40
Speaker 4: in Mexico and and I would say for that reason
51:43
Speaker 4: that they're they're pretty acceptable to Selena did well in Mexico,
51:46
Speaker 4: you know, during her time here, but not a lot,
51:49
Speaker 4: not a lot of the Haanald bands were that accepted
51:52
Speaker 4: as much as they were.
51:54
Speaker 3: Also, like say the uh Uh, the same the same
51:58
Speaker 3: instrument was used in in Asian and xodical musics was.
52:03
Speaker 6: Cross across East also, so you know, people don't talk
52:07
Speaker 6: about that either. What what do you think is the
52:09
Speaker 6: legacy with his passing, and because music continues on. But
52:17
Speaker 6: in his family he's still doing music.
52:19
Speaker 4: Too, right, Right, So so I would say the legacy,
52:24
Speaker 4: I mean, the legacy is the family, Selena's family. I
52:29
Speaker 4: mean their their mark in the music industry. Their impact
52:35
Speaker 4: is up there with James Brown, Michael Jackson, Elvis. You know,
52:43
Speaker 4: Selena is is just a worldwide phenomenon, right, like every
52:48
Speaker 4: brown woman of color, every every woman of color has
52:51
Speaker 4: someone to look up to, have someone to inspire to be, like,
52:55
Speaker 4: you know, she crossed over into the English market before, right,
52:59
Speaker 4: you know, right after her passing, there's been several movies
53:02
Speaker 4: documentaries about her because everyone is is interested in not
53:08
Speaker 4: only the story, but the journey and and how a
53:13
Speaker 4: young girl broke into a genre of music that was
53:18
Speaker 4: dominated by males. And not only that, a young brown
53:22
Speaker 4: girl in a small culture Tehunel compared to you know,
53:28
Speaker 4: other cultures around the world, went on to just become
53:31
Speaker 4: this huge figure. So their mark is extant stone. But
53:36
Speaker 4: as far as you say today, right, So, before Selena passed,
53:41
Speaker 4: she was focusing the band was doing more Cumbia than Tehnel, Right.
53:45
Speaker 4: Their last songs were more Kumbia. Their biggest hits were Cumbia,
53:49
Speaker 4: and they had to go Gumbia to cater to Latin America.
53:53
Speaker 4: Mexico for one, Mexico supported Selena because she was branching
53:58
Speaker 4: off in the Cumbia. Now Gumbia is not Tehnald, right,
54:01
Speaker 4: so you look at what she did in the nineties,
54:05
Speaker 4: how they start branching over to Cumbia. Well, if you
54:07
Speaker 4: look in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, Gumbia Knights
54:11
Speaker 4: are the biggest thing in the city. You know what
54:14
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't even need a band.
54:16
Speaker 11: You know, you got.
54:17
Speaker 4: Places like Asselad and Wonky Power throwing Gumbia Knights with
54:21
Speaker 4: d Jays and and and they're hitting capacity. And to me,
54:26
Speaker 4: all this goes back to Selena transitioning from Tehnald to Kumbya.
54:31
Speaker 4: She planted those seeds and now Houston is known as
54:35
Speaker 4: probably the biggest market for Cumbia and in it might
54:40
Speaker 4: be in the nation. I could be wrong, but but yeah,
54:44
Speaker 4: that's just the influence. I mean, I mean, they're they're
54:46
Speaker 4: they're there. You see, got you got white kids, black
54:50
Speaker 4: kids singing along to these songs. You know, even in
54:54
Speaker 4: the Beyonce do the Beyonce beyond No. In the Selena
54:58
Speaker 4: series on Netflix, the they showed a part where, you know,
55:01
Speaker 4: there's this young black girl walking out of the galleria
55:04
Speaker 4: and she's with her mother and and and they stopped
55:08
Speaker 4: and and the young black girl was like, oh my gosh.
55:11
Speaker 4: And her mom was like, girl, who is that? And
55:13
Speaker 4: she's like, it's Selena. And that's that's the real story
55:17
Speaker 4: that Beyonce tells. And they incorporated that into the Selena
55:22
Speaker 4: series that that uh Netflix released a few years back.
55:27
Speaker 4: So just to show you, like, wow, like you know, Beyonce,
55:32
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like given given, given her
55:35
Speaker 4: props to Selena, that's huge, you know that.
55:38
Speaker 9: That's it.
55:38
Speaker 4: I mean, it don't get no bigger than Beyonce, right
55:41
Speaker 4: so so so yeah, man, it's just she crossed over
55:45
Speaker 4: racial marks, she crossed she crossed over racial marks, she
55:48
Speaker 4: crossed over borders, she crossed over language barriers and and
55:54
Speaker 4: and this is all from the hard work, dedication and
55:57
Speaker 4: the vision from her father. Bro.
56:00
Speaker 3: Thanks again, man, When can we see you again? Uh?
56:03
Speaker 4: So you can catch me every Sunday on Houston's radio
56:07
Speaker 4: station Puto Tehano one oh six point one FM. Uh
56:10
Speaker 4: every Sunday from one to three pm the Chicano Boulevard
56:13
Speaker 4: Odie Show. We play a lot of this Chicano soul music.
56:18
Speaker 4: We played Little Dinos, We play all the early Chicano
56:20
Speaker 4: soul bands along with you know your classic soul groups.
56:24
Speaker 4: I mean you know that, uh, the cruising classic oldies.
56:29
Speaker 5: Uh.
56:29
Speaker 4: You can catch me there every Sunday, or you can
56:31
Speaker 4: look up a chicanod Boulevard on Instagram and you can
56:35
Speaker 4: catch me, uh, you know, keep up with my events there.
56:38
Speaker 4: But tonight we do have a big Chicano Boulevard holiday
56:41
Speaker 4: party at Rabbits got the gun. But I'm sure, uh
56:44
Speaker 4: you know, uh this will come out after that. But anyway,
56:47
Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me bro.
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Speaker 1: That was Isaac Rodriguez, local DJ on pro Tejano, which
56:54
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