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#1554 Patrick Loves Tiff - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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Speaker 1: A good A team good Patrick, gooda good a Tiff Hey,
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Speaker 1: Tiff and I were just talking while you're off having
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Speaker 1: a Wii, Patrick or whatever you were doing, just backing
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Speaker 1: one out and really.
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Speaker 2: Thirty second not even thirty seconds in, and it's just
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Speaker 2: too cras well.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't your It wasn't t for I that was
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Speaker 1: back and so don't.
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Speaker 2: Blame us leading something down with a fountain pen. The
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Speaker 2: you go, they say that, do you use a pen?
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Speaker 1: So Diff and I were talking about like high pitched noises.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how it came up.
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Speaker 3: Because I had to go turn the exhaust fan off
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Speaker 3: because I just heard it, and then I couldn't unhear it.
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Speaker 1: That's right. So in my office where I'm at now,
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Speaker 1: if Melissa's over here doing work junk and whatever, there's
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Speaker 1: apparently a sound in my office that she can hear,
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Speaker 1: and she's like, oh my god, doesn't that annoy you?
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Speaker 1: I can't even hear it, Like it's not like I
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Speaker 1: don't find it annoying, I can't actually hear it. And
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Speaker 1: then Tip was telling me, will you tell the story.
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Speaker 3: I used to work at a restaurant in Tazzy and
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Speaker 3: they had this electric kind of frequency thing plugged into
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Speaker 3: the PowerPoint that kept ants away, that ants could hear
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Speaker 3: it and wouldn't come. And I could hear it. I
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Speaker 3: could hear the noise. And I said to Harves, was
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Speaker 3: for annoying little critters, And yeah, I could hear it.
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Speaker 2: So if you can hear a repetitive winding sound when
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Speaker 2: you're with Craig, it's Craig.
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Speaker 1: Very hopeful.
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Speaker 3: And here I am unplugging everything all the time, wondering
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Speaker 3: what doesn't go away?
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Speaker 2: Now, what's interesting? I can remember I've got a young
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Speaker 2: guy who works for me after school. And there's a
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Speaker 2: level or a tone at which, as we get older
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Speaker 2: we can't hear it. And there was a while there
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Speaker 2: where teenagers were playing music in school classrooms or playing
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Speaker 2: noises that the teachers couldn't because they were too old.
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Speaker 2: So there's a range of frequency range that only young
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Speaker 2: people can actually hear. I thought that was really interesting.
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Speaker 1: You know, you two are being very hurtful to me.
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Speaker 4: We're sorry, Harps, we love you.
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Speaker 1: Very insecure. Yeah, I think that's a thing. I think
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Speaker 1: that that not being able to It's the same with dogs.
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Speaker 1: Don't dogs hear a certain pitch that humans can't hear.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you too.
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Speaker 1: Should test that now, Patrick, I sent you a I
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Speaker 1: mean you are the tech guy. I knew the guy
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Speaker 1: that comes up with the topics, but I sent I
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Speaker 1: saw something this week in the tech realm that I thought,
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, my friend would my friend would love
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Speaker 1: not only would he love one of these, but I
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Speaker 1: think he would fucking love this job. Tell Tiff what
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Speaker 1: and our listeners what I sent.
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Speaker 2: You look In the most simplest terms, it's a jet pack.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot more sophisticated than the ones that I
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Speaker 2: saw when I was fourteen at the Royal Melbourne Show
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Speaker 2: that I've been drooling over since I was fourteen. But
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Speaker 2: a British company has called called Gravity now allows people
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Speaker 2: to do test flights of this jet pack and it
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Speaker 2: is amazing. It's kind of a cross between the backpack,
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Speaker 2: but it also looks a bit like Iron Man from
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Speaker 2: the Marvel movies. And so Craigo sent it through to me.
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Speaker 2: But I did a bit more research Crago because when
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Speaker 2: we go to the UK, we can do these test flights.
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Speaker 2: So there's a special offer. At the moment it's one
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Speaker 2: five hundred pounds, but then if you do the full
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Speaker 2: flight experience, it kind of jumps a little bit more,
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Speaker 2: but I figure you could shout it's two hundred pounds
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Speaker 2: and then to do a whole day of flight training
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Speaker 2: it jumps. This is just the training is six six hundred,
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Speaker 2: so probably about ten grand to do a day's training.
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Speaker 1: The idea of learning to fly a jetpack sounds fraught
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Speaker 1: with danger.
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Speaker 2: Now they have a gantry right with ropes and supports
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Speaker 2: and all that. See, that's the thing. You go there
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Speaker 2: and they tether you to this gantry so that you're safe.
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Speaker 2: But I want to be out in the forest and
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Speaker 2: just fly over lakes and all that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: But you know, there are some places you can go to,
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Speaker 2: I think in Queensland, and they have these water based
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Speaker 2: jet packs. So what they It's like you've got a
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Speaker 2: jet ski underneath you and as you start to move,
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Speaker 2: it just uses water to propel you. Have you seen
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Speaker 2: that tip?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen those.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to do that. Maybe we could
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Speaker 2: do that. Craig go on holiday in Queensland and just
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Speaker 2: do the water jet pack experience.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it sounds super gay, but you're gay, but
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Speaker 1: I'm not. But that's okay. It's okay, it's okay that
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Speaker 1: it's going to.
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Speaker 2: Come with us, you and I go to the water park.
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Speaker 1: Really, can we not go to the UFC as well?
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Speaker 1: Can we not do something?
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Speaker 2: What about the trucks? What's what's the trucks?
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Speaker 1: Can we just upset the water parks with fucking monster trucks?
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Speaker 2: Are you telling me that putting on a water jet
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Speaker 2: pack is gay and monster trucks isn't? Like? What the hell?
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Speaker 1: What? I don't know, I don't know. It just no,
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Speaker 1: just you and me going to the water parks in
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Speaker 1: Queensland on a holiday, you know, But that's all right,
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Speaker 1: I said, sporty, I'm com before we go on. I
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Speaker 1: just remembered we had heaps of messages this week with
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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know why we don't
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Speaker 1: have a photo of you up much, but there was
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Speaker 1: a photo of you and Tiff, But I thought we
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Speaker 1: have your scone on maybe because it was on general
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Speaker 1: distribution and not on our page. But how many people say, oh,
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Speaker 1: Patrick's nothing like what I thought? Like, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's either a compliment or an insult.
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Speaker 2: We thought it was dark and handsome.
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Speaker 1: Either way, it's an insult because like either they think
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Speaker 1: you've got this fucking movie star voice and then they
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Speaker 1: see your head and they're like, oh that's disappointing, or
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Speaker 1: the other way or the other way around. They think
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Speaker 1: your movie star looks but you've got a ship voice.
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Speaker 1: What do you get that? Have you had that feedback before?
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Speaker 2: No, but I'm going to go from cry for a bit.
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Speaker 1: Well you do have the dulcin No. I think you're
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Speaker 1: quite a good looking man, but you also have a
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Speaker 1: good look at Let's go to the water parks in Queensland. No,
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Speaker 1: but you do. Sorry, I'm just fucking hell. Well, clearly
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Speaker 1: I'm no good at women. So let's fucking let's try it.
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Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. Are you speaking of relationships? I
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Speaker 1: know I'm digressing, but you two are pretty much at
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Speaker 1: the verge of a life together. Can you explain to
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Speaker 1: Tiff what we would I know this is inappropriate, but
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Speaker 1: fuck our listeners.
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Speaker 2: Do you know?
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Speaker 1: Our listeners love this bit the best.
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Speaker 3: They like I'm not to post I'm not opposed to
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Speaker 3: a situation ship with Patrick.
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Speaker 2: Actually, look I love that, and you know why when
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Speaker 2: we have a private conversation do you then bring it
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Speaker 2: up in the podcast? Can I tell operating things. I
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Speaker 2: said it. I was saying, I really enjoyed hanging out
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Speaker 2: with Tiff last weekend, and I could be in a
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Speaker 2: relationship with her. I said, It'd be everything except sex.
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Speaker 2: We could probably spoon, but she's awesome. Look, seriously, Tiff
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Speaker 2: is just the ideal, perfect person everything. I'd tick all
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Speaker 2: the boxes there, Tiff.
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Speaker 3: Now, perhaps did mentioned it last night, and I've booked
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Speaker 3: out some time to go dress shopping.
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Speaker 2: So awesome, So I'd be up for that. Not for you,
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Speaker 2: a dress for her, you idiot, heard a company.
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Speaker 1: See I reckon Now. Patrick's proposal to me was not
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Speaker 1: that kind of proposal. His hypothetical scenario with you was
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Speaker 1: he would marry you. He said he would marry you
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Speaker 1: if you would allow him a semi regular, you know,
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Speaker 1: Saturday night off dalliance with somebody with a cock. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, all right, okay, and boy, all right? Well whatever?
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Speaker 2: Fuck?
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Speaker 1: I don't know these.
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Speaker 2: Days goes from bad to worse.
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Speaker 1: No, well, I mean obviously he likes boys, not girls,
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Speaker 1: but he could marry you.
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Speaker 4: And what did you say, Harps when he.
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Speaker 1: Said that, I said, well, you're about forty, dude, so
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Speaker 1: that's not I mean you say that yourself, so it's
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Speaker 1: not like the worst combo.
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Speaker 4: Oh well when we when?
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Speaker 2: When?
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Speaker 4: When are we all going to put it together?
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Speaker 2: This went to the wedding projeck dating, So this could
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Speaker 2: be the first t YP marriage.
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Speaker 1: I mean, like anything goes in twenty twenty four, so
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Speaker 1: why not? I mean, you guys, apart from the sex bit,
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Speaker 1: I think you guys would be a stellar couple. And
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Speaker 1: if you could go live in the country and then
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Speaker 1: your dogs could be best friends, that'd become brothers, sisters, sisters,
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Speaker 1: well siblings, canine siblings. As long as Fritz didn't eat
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Speaker 1: fucking the cat bears.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, cats would get it
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Speaker 2: over a dog anytime because cats have sharp claws. I
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Speaker 2: think I wouldn't let Fritz near an angry cat.
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Speaker 1: All right, can you two stop distracting me? Let's talk.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it funny when I'm the problem on my own show.
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Speaker 2: With that doubt? A couple of really nice segues right
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Speaker 2: throughout this conversation. So I'm going to jump in and
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Speaker 2: not let you start. So I got to say, now
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Speaker 2: I missed out on it, but that you were there.
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Speaker 2: We caught up in Castle, Maine, because we went to Well,
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Speaker 2: you went to a concert and it's where you featured,
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Speaker 2: didn't you.
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Speaker 4: A little bit? A little bit just saying of a.
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Speaker 2: Song video clip, I feel like I'm in the presence
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Speaker 2: of someone famous. Craig.
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Speaker 1: Oh, this is why you want to marry her, because
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Speaker 1: you're a bloody.
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Speaker 4: You're a wannabe writing on my coattails.
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Speaker 1: That's you're a groupie, like just because Tip's a big deal.
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Speaker 2: Now you don't have to marry her dragging along by
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Speaker 2: the straps on your your boxing gloves.
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Speaker 1: Hey. Now.
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Speaker 2: The reason I thought about this though, was because there's
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Speaker 2: some study that's come out into shared music experiences. So
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Speaker 2: what it revealed is that obviously when we listen to music,
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Speaker 2: I can evoke a reaction, so you know, if it's
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Speaker 2: a ode. To Joy, for example, is probably one of
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Speaker 2: the most beautiful pieces of music ever written by Beethoven.
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Speaker 2: And by coincidence, every year ABC Classic FM does a
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Speaker 2: one hundred countdown and their topic this year was the
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Speaker 2: top one hundred feel good tunes and to Joy we
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Speaker 2: all know O to Joy, Yeah, to google it, you'll
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Speaker 2: know it. So shared music experiences extenuate the sensation. So
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Speaker 2: listening to a really good piece of music, kind of
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Speaker 2: voke reaction. But what the study has found is if
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Speaker 2: you share it with somebody else, it enhances it even more,
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Speaker 2: and the connectedness between you and the person you're sharing
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Speaker 2: it with. And when I think back to some of
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Speaker 2: the best concerts I've ever been in or been to,
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Speaker 2: what's enhanced that even more is the person I was
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Speaker 2: there with at the time, enjoying it with. So I
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Speaker 2: went to Imagine Dragons a few years ago with my
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Speaker 2: nephew and his girlfriend, and you know, it was embarrassing
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Speaker 2: for them because I sing along with all the songs.
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Speaker 2: Do you do that tip?
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Speaker 3: Did you do? No?
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Speaker 4: I definitely known lip sync?
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Speaker 2: Do you sing a long? Crego?
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Speaker 4: He's got a great singing voice.
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Speaker 1: I do not. I do not.
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Speaker 4: You do have a great singing voice, though.
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Speaker 1: I can sing vaguely in tune. But if I'm at
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Speaker 1: a concert, no one needs me fucking warbling next to
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Speaker 1: them while the actual artists are on stage.
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Speaker 3: I save birthday songs from Harps on my voicemail and
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Speaker 3: listen to them regularly.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's really great. I didn't know that about you, Crego.
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Speaker 4: M It's true she's denying it, but it's actually true true.
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Speaker 2: So that's that's really impressive. If you can, I think,
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Speaker 2: if you can hold a tone, even depending on your
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Speaker 2: vocal range, just being able to keep your voice in
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Speaker 2: tone I think makes the biggest difference as to listening
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Speaker 2: experience is pleasurable or not. But so this study showed
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Speaker 2: that sharing music even virtually can really enhance the pleasure.
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Speaker 2: And we're talking about triggering in orphans. It was a
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Speaker 2: study published by e Science and they looked across the
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Speaker 2: effects with a number of different experiments online with participants
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Speaker 2: in the United States and France. So even listening with somebody,
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Speaker 2: So remember the old mixtapes and you'd put a headphone
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Speaker 2: in one ear and you'd share the earpiece with another person,
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Speaker 2: and then you wonder, that's.
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Speaker 1: God, you're you're so fucking old. But I remember that,
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Speaker 1: I remember, I remember, this is how old I am.
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Speaker 1: Bro I remember making mixtapes, pressing play and record on
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Speaker 1: the cassette player off the radio. Ye me too, and
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Speaker 1: then you just missed the start of the song because
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Speaker 1: the fucking DJ was introing it right, and then they
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Speaker 1: kind of just wind it up a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really annoying when they talked over the
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Speaker 2: intro to the Oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those were the days though. That was
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's lots of research out on the relationship
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Speaker 1: or the impact of music on people's nervous system. So if,
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Speaker 1: for example, you hear something like ode to Join it, Like,
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Speaker 1: the interesting thing too, is it's like you might hear
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Speaker 1: a piece of music like somebody loves classical music, and
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Speaker 1: that switches on their parasympathetic you know, the calm parasympathetic
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Speaker 1: nervous system at lowers their heart rate, blood pressure, slows
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Speaker 1: their breathing, right, and that's because they love it. Somebody
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Speaker 1: else fucking hates it, right, and it does the opposite.
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Speaker 1: So it's not like this music produces a universal response.
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Speaker 1: Like some people love country and western it's all they
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Speaker 1: listen to. For other people, the same song is like,
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Speaker 1: you know, fingernails on a blackboard. So but it is
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Speaker 1: interesting the way that your physiology responds to differently to
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Speaker 1: the same stimulus to someone else.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's amazing, that's said. It's it's interesting that if
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Speaker 2: you book a survey, and that's why I like the
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Speaker 2: top one hundred countdown, but to have so many people
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Speaker 2: vote and that number one song being owed to Joy
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Speaker 2: out of all their listenership. And we're talking tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people who vote
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Speaker 2: on this. I just thought it was quite interesting because
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Speaker 2: it's one that I would have put it really high
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Speaker 2: on the list for me. And it's funny when people
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Speaker 2: say that I don't like classical music and then you say, oh,
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Speaker 2: did you like that movie? Turn the music down or
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Speaker 2: turn the audio down when you're watching a scary movie
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Speaker 2: or an uplifting rom com and the music just helps
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Speaker 2: with the sense of the emotion. If you watch something,
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Speaker 2: you know, like a Stephen King film and you turn
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Speaker 2: the music if it's not scary anymore.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I think also with research, I had
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Speaker 1: to be a fucking kill joy. But if you ask
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Speaker 1: that same question to one thousand people under thirty, you're
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Speaker 1: not getting owed to joy as the answer.
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Speaker 2: But if they, if they hear it with the music
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Speaker 2: and the way that it's composed, still have that same effect. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean it depends like it's like music is
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Speaker 1: a really powerful thing, isn't it, And it's like you.
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Speaker 2: Report, next time I've got my sixteen year old in,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to put a set of headphones on him,
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to play three pieces of music. You
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Speaker 2: guys choose one piece each. I'll choose the Joy. If
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Speaker 2: you guys want to choose one each, then I'll play
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Speaker 2: all three and we'll get him to do a rating
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Speaker 2: of one to ten on each piece of music, and
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Speaker 2: we'll see if the Joy comes out on top.
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Speaker 4: I don't choose the Boxer, what of course you do?
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Speaker 2: Come on, Craig, you got to choose a piece of music.
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Speaker 1: Just that one sixteen year old kid constitutes a study?
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Speaker 4: Any rand?
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's a mini study. Come on, choose a piece
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Speaker 2: of music on the spot.
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Speaker 1: Ala Lujah?
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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I will play all three, and but
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, I'm going to tell you which
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Speaker 1: version of Alalujah?
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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll go And then well, I've.
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Speaker 1: Got to find I've just got to find the right artist.
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Speaker 1: Not Katie Lang. She does a good version, but there
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Speaker 1: are better versions.
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Speaker 2: All right? Done? Can I give a shout out to
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Speaker 2: the Dale Patterson who sent me a link. He's one
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Speaker 2: of our listeners from Geelong and he sent me a
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Speaker 2: link to a really cool tech website which was really interesting.
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Speaker 1: So I love how you say can I and then
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Speaker 1: you do it. No you can't, can't fiance, No, no,
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Speaker 1: you can't shout out to Dale? What what was Dale
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Speaker 1: emailing you about?
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Speaker 2: A tech website? Just lots of gadgets and stuff.
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Speaker 1: Of course, a fellow geek is he?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Wouldn't want to wrap him up in
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Speaker 2: that bundle. I don't think that's very nice. I don't
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Speaker 2: know him. He could be a a nice, interesting person.
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Speaker 1: And I love geeks. We love geeks. We love you. Hey.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that I've been interested in and
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Speaker 1: we've spoken about, I think once or twice maybe, or
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Speaker 1: maybe we haven't, but I feel like we have is
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Speaker 1: animals and language and how elephants have their own language,
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Speaker 1: dolphins have their own language. And I think you have
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Speaker 1: a story in the space.
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Speaker 2: Well, just there's a nice little seguay to that too.
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Speaker 2: Do you know elephants? Actually, it's now thought they have names.
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Speaker 2: They name each other, so they rock up in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the jungle and say, hey, Bob, how are
18:34
Speaker 2: you not too bad? Betty? Now it's interesting, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: But I do have a story about this, because look
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Speaker 2: for me, I reckon, I've got a good handle on
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Speaker 2: the kind of mood that Fritz is in. And you
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Speaker 2: know when a dog wags its tail and has all
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Speaker 2: these different cues. As a dog owner is a pet owner, tiff,
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Speaker 2: you would have a fairly good indication as to whether
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Speaker 2: your pet's happy or sad or excited, idable and all
19:00
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. But it's now thought that AI
19:03
Speaker 2: potentially could actually translate what a dog is saying when
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Speaker 2: it barks. So imagine that if with every bark, a wine,
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Speaker 2: or a growl, you could even know what the dog
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Speaker 2: is effectively trying to communicate to you, and then in
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Speaker 2: the future they could even translate what craigs say. No,
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Speaker 2: But when you think about it, using AI to analyze
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Speaker 2: the tonal vocalizations of dogs, they say they can distinguish
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Speaker 2: between playful barks, aggressive growls, identify characteristics and even the
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Speaker 2: age and the breed of the dog by the sound
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Speaker 2: that it makes.
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Speaker 1: Wow, here's what dog dogs are saying. Four things right,
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Speaker 1: dog are saying I need a shit. Yeah, they're saying
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Speaker 1: I want to go for a walk, give me some
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Speaker 1: fucking food, and I love you. That's the four things
19:58
Speaker 1: dogs are saying. So you're welcome. I just broke the code.
20:04
Speaker 2: But you know, when a dog wags its tail, most
20:08
Speaker 2: people associate that with being excited. So you meet a
20:11
Speaker 2: new dog and the tail starts wagging. But what people
20:14
Speaker 2: don't realize is depending on which way the tail is
20:18
Speaker 2: leaning to so it will predominantly go left or right,
20:21
Speaker 2: can actually mean apprehensive and potentially be not so much
20:26
Speaker 2: a show of aggression but a show of apprehension. So
20:28
Speaker 2: when two dogs meet each other, the tail can be wagging,
20:32
Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily mean they're happy. It could mean
20:35
Speaker 2: that they're apprehensive about meeting the other dog or the
20:38
Speaker 2: situation that they're in, just by which way the tail goes.
20:41
Speaker 2: So yes and no.
20:43
Speaker 1: Well, when I introduce you to new people, I always
20:46
Speaker 1: look at the way that your tail wags, and I
20:49
Speaker 1: can tell if you're a little bit kind of like
20:52
Speaker 1: fearful or joyful. That's why I always walk around the back.
21:01
Speaker 2: You know, there's a thing that people get dressed up
21:03
Speaker 2: as what do they call that up play?
21:06
Speaker 1: Is that it Well, there are people that let's not
21:10
Speaker 1: open that let's not open?
21:13
Speaker 2: Can we can we continue on the AI theme. I
21:15
Speaker 2: thought this was really awesome because I think probably about
21:19
Speaker 2: a year ago there was a photographer who entered a
21:23
Speaker 2: photo competition with an AI image and won it, and
21:28
Speaker 2: of course then it was revealed that the photo wasn't
21:32
Speaker 2: a real photograph, it had been generated by AI, and
21:34
Speaker 2: then he was disqualified and it made all the headlines
21:36
Speaker 2: and there's all this controversy. Well, a different photographer, a
21:40
Speaker 2: guy by the name of Miles Astra, has done the
21:42
Speaker 2: exact opposite. He's entered a photo competition where there was
21:46
Speaker 2: a category for AI generated artwork or AI generated photography,
21:51
Speaker 2: but he put a real image in and he won competition,
21:54
Speaker 2: and it was this really amazing photograph of a pink flamingo,
21:59
Speaker 2: and the judges and everybody thought, this is fantastic. Is
22:03
Speaker 2: an AI amazing? And the photographer said he actually it
22:07
Speaker 2: was a real photograph, and so he then got disqualified
22:10
Speaker 2: for submitting a real photograph in an AI competition. So
22:13
Speaker 2: I thought, it's kind of interesting that. And we're not
22:16
Speaker 2: talking just run of the mill people off the street,
22:19
Speaker 2: you and me. We're talking about some pretty smart people
22:25
Speaker 2: from Getty Images, the New York Times, you know, Christie's.
22:29
Speaker 2: So the judges knew what they were talking about, and
22:32
Speaker 2: they kind of had a real sense of what a
22:34
Speaker 2: good photograph is. But I just thought it was kind
22:37
Speaker 2: of great to flip it around and that this photographer
22:40
Speaker 2: came up with the idea. So this guy Miles Astray
22:43
Speaker 2: and yeah, good on him. It was the eighteen thirty
22:46
Speaker 2: nine Color Photography Awards, and so he actually won two categories.
22:51
Speaker 2: One is he came third in the I think it
22:54
Speaker 2: was the Judges Award, and then he came first in
22:58
Speaker 2: the People's Vote Award. So everyone was fulled.
23:02
Speaker 1: Everyone was tricked. I don't know that that's going to
23:04
Speaker 1: happen too often moving forward, but I like real photography. Hey,
23:09
Speaker 1: I don't really know what this is about, and this
23:12
Speaker 1: isn't on our list of things to chat about, but
23:14
Speaker 1: maybe you know. So Melissa, who is like the Apple coeen,
23:19
Speaker 1: Like if you could marry Apple, Melissa would marry Apple.
23:24
Speaker 2: I've got competition. What I've got competition?
23:28
Speaker 1: Oh she is? She crushes so hard. You know Apple
23:33
Speaker 1: is gay as well, right, Well, if Apple brought out
23:37
Speaker 1: a toilet, she'd get an Apple toilet, like she would
23:39
Speaker 1: get any Apple product. But this week, didn't Apple launch something.
23:46
Speaker 1: Didn't they wheel out something like their version of chat
23:50
Speaker 1: GPT or some verged it.
23:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really controversial. In fact, it was something
23:54
Speaker 2: that I was going to talk about because what's happened
23:57
Speaker 2: is they've basically Apple has this big event and it
24:01
Speaker 2: talks about all their new up and coming stuff, and
24:04
Speaker 2: one of the things they're talking about is merging AI
24:07
Speaker 2: into the Siri operating system, so they're taking the next
24:11
Speaker 2: so it's a big makeover for Siri. So effectively, what
24:15
Speaker 2: it's going to do is going to make Siri more natural,
24:18
Speaker 2: more relevant, they're saying, more personal. It's got a new look.
24:22
Speaker 2: The icon's been made to look different and it glows better.
24:26
Speaker 2: But what they're saying now is that you can also
24:28
Speaker 2: handle things like stumbles in speech, so if someone has
24:31
Speaker 2: a stutter, it'll better understand context. And you can also
24:36
Speaker 2: type to Syria, and it can answer questions about how
24:38
Speaker 2: you use your iPhone and you iMac and your iPad
24:41
Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing. The other thing it'll
24:43
Speaker 2: also be able to do is interact with the other
24:45
Speaker 2: apps on your phone, so that's one of the things
24:48
Speaker 2: that Siri hasn't been able to do in the past.
24:50
Speaker 2: So you can get it to go and interact with
24:53
Speaker 2: other apps, and it's going to make the user experience
24:56
Speaker 2: a lot better. However, there is a little bit of controversy.
24:59
Speaker 2: Now we know that Elon Musk loves to be the
25:02
Speaker 2: controversial person, but he's come out. Elon Musk has this
25:06
Speaker 2: love hate relationship with AI, so he effectively a second
25:10
Speaker 2: This was announced by Apple within hours, He's tweeted about
25:15
Speaker 2: saying that he's going to cancel iPhones, that none of
25:18
Speaker 2: his staff will be allowed to bring iPhones into the
25:21
Speaker 2: building and if they do, they'll be told to take
25:23
Speaker 2: out their iPhones and their iPhones will be put in
25:26
Speaker 2: a Faraday cage. Do you know what a Faraday cage is? Yeah?
25:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So they's yeah, like, but nobody will be
25:35
Speaker 1: allowed to enter any of his buildings, like customers, nobody
25:40
Speaker 1: with an Apple product.
25:42
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, mind you he's I think he's
25:47
Speaker 2: suing open AI or there's some sort of case going
25:51
Speaker 2: on at the moment. So there's there's a bit of
25:53
Speaker 2: bad blood there. But the reason he says that he
25:56
Speaker 2: doesn't want this integration or he thinks it's a bad thing,
26:00
Speaker 2: is that he feels that effectively, what it's going to
26:02
Speaker 2: do is it's just going to make them spying devices.
26:05
Speaker 2: He says that you know, effectively, it's just going to
26:09
Speaker 2: to kind of run a muck and that people will
26:12
Speaker 2: be able to spy on him using their iPhones.
26:15
Speaker 1: Do you know what I've noticed recently using chat GPT
26:19
Speaker 1: four point zero, Patrick James is that old mate who
26:27
Speaker 1: sounds like Tim Ferriss. That's the dude that talks to me,
26:30
Speaker 1: sounds exactly like Tim Ferriss. He doesn't always get my
26:34
Speaker 1: Australian accent. So sometimes I just need to americanize the
26:39
Speaker 1: question because I don't type. I usually just talk like
26:44
Speaker 1: you know how you can just ask it a question
26:46
Speaker 1: and then it types and gives audio for the answer.
26:50
Speaker 1: So sometimes it says, oh, I think you're asking you know?
26:56
Speaker 1: And then then I say it again with a less
27:00
Speaker 1: Boganny voice, and it understands what I'm saying. So I
27:03
Speaker 1: wonder if the new Apple product can understand Bogans. Maybe
27:09
Speaker 1: probably a Bogan friendly Bogan friendly AI. I bet they
27:14
Speaker 1: don't even know what that is over there?
27:16
Speaker 2: Not a chance if you were going to say something, because.
27:18
Speaker 3: I was going to say joy, let everyone else know?
27:20
Speaker 3: Could I had to google it? Anyone that mightn't know
27:23
Speaker 3: what a Faraday cage is?
27:26
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, okay, So Faraday cage if you can imagine
27:29
Speaker 2: just a wire mesh around you. So they usually use
27:33
Speaker 2: them during experiments. So if you were you know how
27:37
Speaker 2: you can have like a basically, if you if you
27:39
Speaker 2: had lightning come down, you could protect yourself inside a
27:42
Speaker 2: Faraday cage. So it insulates you from an electrical discharge.
27:46
Speaker 2: Is that all the right answer, Tiff?
27:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it is.
27:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, it protects from an electromagnetic radiation and if you're interference.
27:54
Speaker 3: I was thinking it might just be a lock box,
27:56
Speaker 3: and I thought I might get one for chocolate around here, But.
27:59
Speaker 2: Have you your chocolate from last weekend already? I ate
28:02
Speaker 2: it on the way home, so did I didn't get
28:05
Speaker 2: out of the car, so we bought chocolate at the
28:07
Speaker 2: chocolate shop. Mine didn't make it back to the land.
28:11
Speaker 2: It was only about forty five minutes away.
28:13
Speaker 4: One didn't even.
28:14
Speaker 3: Make it out of Castle Maye or Castle Maine if
28:17
Speaker 3: you're fancy.
28:18
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is it Castle made or Castle Maine? Maybe
28:20
Speaker 2: someone from Castle Maine or Castle Magan tell us, I
28:23
Speaker 2: never know, Crag, I said, was it? Well?
28:27
Speaker 1: It? I think people from up there call it castle.
28:31
Speaker 1: I'm a bogan, so I call it castle. But I
28:34
Speaker 1: think interestingly. And this's got nothing to do with tech.
28:37
Speaker 1: But remember if that dude we had on I think
28:39
Speaker 1: his name is Dean Morby, the Power Left to Do. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
28:44
Speaker 1: he's from Castle, Maine and all these homies up there,
28:47
Speaker 1: so shout out to I mean, this is just we'll
28:51
Speaker 1: come back in thirty seconds, Patrick. But this guy trains
28:54
Speaker 1: a whole lot of older citizens, a lot of fifty plus,
28:58
Speaker 1: sixty seventy plus, and he's basically well last time I
29:01
Speaker 1: spoke to him. Anyway, I assume he's still doing it.
29:04
Speaker 1: He had essentially a power lifting Jim Castle May Yeah,
29:09
Speaker 1: for all these old people, and yeah, what's that? What
29:15
Speaker 1: are you doing?
29:16
Speaker 4: Castle?
29:17
Speaker 2: I looked up how to pronounce Castlemaine and that's what
29:22
Speaker 2: it came up as.
29:23
Speaker 1: Castle Maine. It's brittish.
29:26
Speaker 2: How can that work now? And it didn't work earlier?
29:28
Speaker 2: So I was only playing it so I could listen
29:31
Speaker 2: to it myself, and I didn't realize you guys could
29:33
Speaker 2: hear it. But just for the sake of those people
29:34
Speaker 2: who didn't hear it the first time, Castle.
29:36
Speaker 4: Maine, I.
29:40
Speaker 1: Think everyone, all right, that's enough now, Patrick, I think
29:44
Speaker 1: everyone in the world other than nausies pronounces it parcel Maine.
29:51
Speaker 1: I think all right, back on Bogan, Bogan Bergan, Like,
29:58
Speaker 1: what's hilarious is when posh person says bogan, So it
30:02
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like crass anymore?
30:05
Speaker 4: And can you make it pronounce the sea word? That trick?
30:09
Speaker 1: No, no, tiff? When did you become me?
30:13
Speaker 4: It sounds so polite? I thought it might really soundly polite.
30:18
Speaker 2: But genuinely speaking, you don't want to see your does Craig?
30:24
Speaker 3: Oh?
30:24
Speaker 2: Sorry you said the sea thing? I thought you meant craig.
30:28
Speaker 1: God, I'm fucking copying it today. What's a collective noun
30:34
Speaker 1: for bogan heard bogue? No, not the not the plural,
30:41
Speaker 1: the collective noun, I don't know. Like a flock, a flotilla,
30:45
Speaker 1: a murder, a gaggle of craigs, a gaggle of cra Yeah,
30:52
Speaker 1: for sure it would be what about all right? Come on?
30:55
Speaker 1: Can we get back on this terrible.
30:58
Speaker 2: Are we scared about the Siri AI integration? Do you
31:01
Speaker 2: want your phone knowing everything and being able to do
31:03
Speaker 2: stuff without you even needing to ask it to tip? Ah?
31:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bit weird, isn't it. I don't know what.
31:11
Speaker 1: Does that mean though? Being able to without being without
31:14
Speaker 1: asking it.
31:15
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we spoke about this a couple of
31:18
Speaker 2: weeks ago. When I recently had an update to Android
31:22
Speaker 2: Auto in my car using my Android phone, I had
31:25
Speaker 2: a whole lot of text messages come through from a
31:27
Speaker 2: single person. Because young people don't send one text, they
31:31
Speaker 2: don't do a paragraph, they do line by line by line.
31:34
Speaker 2: So a friend of mine sent me five text messages. Right.
31:39
Speaker 2: So my car then responded and said, you've just received
31:43
Speaker 2: a whole lot of text messages from this person. Would
31:45
Speaker 2: you like me to summarize what the conversation was about?
31:48
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, that's great, Google, go for it.
31:52
Speaker 2: And it did. It summarized the whole thing, so rather
31:55
Speaker 2: than bombarding me with five different text messages, it just
31:58
Speaker 2: gave me the gist of what the conversation was about.
32:00
Speaker 2: So that's where AI is being employed, and it's great
32:03
Speaker 2: in the car, you don't want to be disturbed by
32:06
Speaker 2: a stack of text messages. So I mean, that's just
32:09
Speaker 2: one really simple example of potentially what it could do.
32:13
Speaker 2: But I like the idea of a bogan translator, or
32:18
Speaker 2: you know what about if someone stutters and has an accent,
32:21
Speaker 2: But those things actually do have a lot of and
32:24
Speaker 2: a lot of merit because it's going to make life
32:26
Speaker 2: a lot easier for people and more accessible. So it
32:29
Speaker 2: will make that text sery or you know, or whatever
32:32
Speaker 2: the android aut diversion is or android. So I kind
32:35
Speaker 2: of like the idea ish. I think Elon Musk is
32:39
Speaker 2: just doing the publicity stunt thing into.
32:42
Speaker 1: What if there was a Seri or there was AI
32:45
Speaker 1: that kind of had its own personality and some days
32:48
Speaker 1: it was just like having a bad day. It's like
32:51
Speaker 1: and you you know, you open it up and it goes,
32:53
Speaker 1: what fucking what now?
32:56
Speaker 2: But it'd be good if you could choose the mood
32:57
Speaker 2: for the day to match your move, so, you know,
33:00
Speaker 2: the shitty mood, over the top nice mood. You could
33:05
Speaker 2: do the TIFFs, the Patrick and the Greg mood.
33:08
Speaker 1: What if you ask it a question and it's like,
33:10
Speaker 1: that's a fucking stupid question. Try harder, Like seriously, you're
33:15
Speaker 1: not asking me that, Like AI with attitude?
33:19
Speaker 2: Can I make an admission? So my identical twin brother,
33:22
Speaker 2: genetically identical to me, he rang me up and he
33:26
Speaker 2: was telling me about a tech problem that he had,
33:28
Speaker 2: and I got to the point where I thought, how
33:30
Speaker 2: could you be so stupid and not understand this because
33:32
Speaker 2: we're genetically identical. It's like, you don't understand it.
33:39
Speaker 1: Well, that's because you've exposed yourself to a lot of
33:42
Speaker 1: training and education experience.
33:45
Speaker 2: I should have listened to that whole sentence, shouldn't I have?
33:48
Speaker 1: Well, you've you've got knowledge he hasn't. That's not about genetics.
33:51
Speaker 1: That's just about what you've learned versus what he's learned.
33:54
Speaker 2: It was pretty basically paste or something. I don't know it,
33:57
Speaker 2: something simple if you rolled his eyes and said, yeah,
34:01
Speaker 2: I don't know how, he doesn't do it anyway. All right, cybersecurity,
34:07
Speaker 2: let's talk about that. Okay, Well, you have a business,
34:13
Speaker 2: a small business, a business of sorts. How CyberSecure are you?
34:17
Speaker 2: Do you? Reckon?
34:18
Speaker 1: I'm not the person to ask. I'm about as CyberSecure
34:22
Speaker 1: as a fucking box of clinics. That's out tough.
34:27
Speaker 2: Do you think it's relevant though? I mean, I'm probably
34:29
Speaker 2: asking a really obvious question because if I know you've
34:32
Speaker 2: been through this whole debarcle and the stress of having
34:35
Speaker 2: to go through this yourself. But I think that well,
34:38
Speaker 2: there's a lot of warnings coming out now and we're
34:40
Speaker 2: talking this is like across the board, So this is
34:43
Speaker 2: from a government level, both in Australia and also overseas
34:47
Speaker 2: as well. The United States has when his cyber attacks
34:50
Speaker 2: were state driven. So what I'm saying is it's not
34:53
Speaker 2: just independent. You know, some Russian bloke sitting in his
34:56
Speaker 2: back shed trying to hack into your computer, but these
35:00
Speaker 2: a state sanctioned where certain states well, and it's kind
35:04
Speaker 2: of commonly known that China has a very active operation
35:07
Speaker 2: in hacking as well, so state sanctioned hacking. And I
35:13
Speaker 2: think more sixty percent of small business owners say that
35:16
Speaker 2: hackers are their biggest fear. This was according to the
35:20
Speaker 2: US Chamber of Commerce. But sixty percent is a massive amount.
35:24
Speaker 2: And you heard about the hack recently at the NHS
35:28
Speaker 2: in the UK. This only happened in the last fortnight,
35:32
Speaker 2: so happened wassh Yeah? Anyway, the National Health Service NHS
35:37
Speaker 2: was hacked into, but it was so bad that they
35:41
Speaker 2: ended up resorting to using paper for communications and people
35:45
Speaker 2: who were on waiting lists for surgery had to be
35:47
Speaker 2: put off. It impacted and potentially could have caused major
35:51
Speaker 2: problems for people who were needed urgent surgery. And it
35:55
Speaker 2: makes you realize how vulnerable potentially we could be whether
35:57
Speaker 2: it's public services, could be like our electricity supply, water,
36:02
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So it kind of opens it up.
36:04
Speaker 2: And when you run a small business, because you tend
36:08
Speaker 2: not to have the infrastructure, you don't have somebody who's
36:11
Speaker 2: running your IT network, that kind of tends to leave
36:14
Speaker 2: you more vulnerable as well. So, I mean, it's something
36:17
Speaker 2: certainly that I've thought about, but because I guess a
36:20
Speaker 2: little bit more tech savvy, I think about the security
36:23
Speaker 2: implications of what it means for the data that I store.
36:27
Speaker 2: But when you think about all the data that you've
36:29
Speaker 2: got crago, you know, your research at the moment, how
36:34
Speaker 2: are you protecting that research?
36:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it is stored. I don't know. I
36:42
Speaker 1: don't do that bit, but I don't know. I don't
36:44
Speaker 1: know it's in a cupboard. I don't know a cyber cupboard.
36:48
Speaker 1: I don't know, Patrick, I can don't ask me. I
36:51
Speaker 1: know how to get into it and access it. It's
36:53
Speaker 1: not my job. I don't do security. But it's funny
36:56
Speaker 1: you asked, right, because I'm old. But then I think
36:59
Speaker 1: about with the rapid evolution of computing, you know, quantum computers,
37:05
Speaker 1: arriving next Wednesday, right, and the world is that like
37:10
Speaker 1: the way that we buy and sell and bank and
37:14
Speaker 1: you know, medicine and all of that. Like my dear
37:17
Speaker 1: old mum and dad. I look at them, and twenty
37:22
Speaker 1: twenty four is bewildering for my mum and dad. Like
37:25
Speaker 1: it just that and they're not dumb people, but it's
37:29
Speaker 1: just it's just I don't know. I don't know what
37:32
Speaker 1: the answer is because we can't stop technological advancement. But
37:36
Speaker 1: I feel so sorry. Like I went out two weekends
37:40
Speaker 1: ago with mum and dad and their friends. So there
37:42
Speaker 1: was like eight old people, I mean fucking old, fucking
37:46
Speaker 1: old as fuck, like Noah's friends, right, Jesus is fucking
37:49
Speaker 1: next door neighbors, right, and me and I was looking
37:54
Speaker 1: around the table and I was trying to explain to
37:56
Speaker 1: them what a podcast was, just something that simple. And
38:02
Speaker 1: I'm not at all being rude because they're fucking you know,
38:04
Speaker 1: in some ways they're way smarter than all of us, right,
38:07
Speaker 1: but yeah, I like, fuck and this is essentially you know,
38:11
Speaker 1: the best way you can explain it to them is
38:13
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a radio show that you can
38:16
Speaker 1: just listen to whenever you want, you know, but then
38:19
Speaker 1: more how do you how do you? Where is it
38:21
Speaker 1: on your phone? And then trying to go, well, so
38:23
Speaker 1: there's an app, and then that's like.
38:25
Speaker 2: Fuck, do they understand in streaming?
38:28
Speaker 1: Not not kind of, but you know, like none of
38:32
Speaker 1: them have Netflix, none of them have any of those platforms,
38:35
Speaker 1: and so I guess theoretically, but even when you explain
38:38
Speaker 1: to them something that for us and all of our listeners,
38:41
Speaker 1: it's like, well, how could somebody not understand that? It's
38:45
Speaker 1: a very different when you when you're trying to understand
38:48
Speaker 1: an eighty five year old person's worldview thinking through like TIFFs,
38:54
Speaker 1: you know, looking through TIFFs window, and she's probably more
38:58
Speaker 1: compassionate and understanding, but you know what I mean, it's like, well,
39:01
Speaker 1: of course this makes sense, but to them it makes
39:04
Speaker 1: no sense, you know, And I just I don't know.
39:07
Speaker 1: I think for me, that's something that I worry about
39:09
Speaker 1: for really old people like Mum is terrified of paying
39:14
Speaker 1: things electronically because she doesn't know what they're talking about,
39:18
Speaker 1: and the people at the bank or whatever or medicare
39:20
Speaker 1: they just talk to her like she's an idiot, because no,
39:23
Speaker 1: you just do this, And they talked to her quickly
39:26
Speaker 1: and dismissively, and she doesn't actually understand what it all means.
39:31
Speaker 1: Can I just say they worries me?
39:33
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can I just say too though? You do sometimes
39:37
Speaker 2: have a choice. And I'm not going to particularly name
39:39
Speaker 2: any of the different banks, but you've got the Big four,
39:43
Speaker 2: and then there are other banks as well, and there
39:44
Speaker 2: are community banks, and sometimes it's about voting with your feet.
39:49
Speaker 2: I recently had I live in a small town. We
39:52
Speaker 2: only had two banks in our town, and the big
39:54
Speaker 2: bank pulled out. One of the Big four pulled out
39:57
Speaker 2: of the township. So I pulled all of my money
39:59
Speaker 2: out of it and put it into the local community bank.
40:02
Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, bug you and I can
40:03
Speaker 2: walk in there any time of day and I see
40:06
Speaker 2: them explaining things delicately, understanding they will talk them through
40:11
Speaker 2: you for older people, because generally it's older people who
40:13
Speaker 2: want to have that face to face. And I think
40:16
Speaker 2: that there's still ways to shop around, to ask around
40:19
Speaker 2: and not to get lumped in and be treated like that.
40:23
Speaker 2: So if you go to a telco provider, there's a
40:26
Speaker 2: lot of third party telco providers. Now, if you walk
40:28
Speaker 2: in and you're not satisfied, because you think you're being
40:30
Speaker 2: treated like a dummy, go somewhere else, vote with your feet.
40:34
Speaker 1: Everything you said makes sense to me. But if you
40:36
Speaker 1: said to my mum and dad go to a third
40:38
Speaker 1: party telco provider and vote with they'd be like, I
40:41
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck do you mean? I mean,
40:43
Speaker 1: this is the point we all get that my mum
40:45
Speaker 1: and dad do not understand anything you just said. So
40:49
Speaker 1: that's the problem.
40:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I You know, I was so excited by this.
40:54
Speaker 2: The FBI recently hacked some hackers. And there are different
40:59
Speaker 2: ways that hackers can get into your system. So, you know,
41:02
Speaker 2: you click on a link and then they skim the
41:04
Speaker 2: information they want to get your ID so they can
41:06
Speaker 2: pretend that they're you. But the other thing they can
41:09
Speaker 2: do is they use ransomware where they take all of
41:11
Speaker 2: your data, they lock it up, they encrypt it, and
41:14
Speaker 2: then they exploit that and say, well, if you want
41:17
Speaker 2: your data back, you've got to pay us X amount
41:19
Speaker 2: of dollars. Okay, so that's ransomware. But now the FBI,
41:23
Speaker 2: I've managed to get seven thousand key keys to ransomware
41:28
Speaker 2: and they're just giving them away for free. So if
41:30
Speaker 2: someone a business, an individual, whatever gets hacked and they
41:36
Speaker 2: have all their data locked up. Now, the FBI has
41:39
Speaker 2: acts seven thousand ransomware keys, which I thought was really good,
41:44
Speaker 2: so you can basically get access to your data without
41:48
Speaker 2: having this whole ransom situation over the top of you.
41:51
Speaker 2: So it's good to see that the good guys, that
41:54
Speaker 2: the white hat hackers are getting their way around some
41:59
Speaker 2: of the naughty people out there. Crago.
42:02
Speaker 1: I love that, and I like it that there are
42:04
Speaker 1: white hat hackers.
42:06
Speaker 2: Love it.
42:06
Speaker 1: I love that idea. I did see on the news
42:09
Speaker 1: on I don't know what channel it was, but and
42:11
Speaker 1: it looked a bit weird to me this week a
42:14
Speaker 1: robotic thumb that people were yes, so instead of having
42:19
Speaker 1: four digits and one thumb, they had four fingers and
42:23
Speaker 1: two thumbs on one. So they've now essentially got six
42:26
Speaker 1: fingers on one hand. I'm not sure that's necessary, but
42:30
Speaker 1: tell us about it. Yeah.
42:32
Speaker 2: Well, so this study showed that ninety eight percent of
42:34
Speaker 2: the people who took part in it were able to
42:37
Speaker 2: more successfully manipulate objects with a third thumb, and only
42:43
Speaker 2: thirteen people were unable to perform the task within the
42:46
Speaker 2: first minutes. So people put on this glove, it gives
42:49
Speaker 2: them an extra thumb, and within a minute, ninety eight
42:53
Speaker 2: percent were able to use it more effectively than their
42:57
Speaker 2: normal hand. So the dexterity was improved by having this augmentation,
43:02
Speaker 2: so it could be used in lots of areas. And
43:05
Speaker 2: they're saying that it's kind of like, you know, you're
43:07
Speaker 2: grasping ability, so the dexterity was increased as well. It's
43:12
Speaker 2: kind of really good. It's a robotic thumb. Would that
43:15
Speaker 2: be great, wouldn't it?
43:16
Speaker 1: Ah? I tell you who would love that? Mary for
43:19
Speaker 1: opening jars?
43:20
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, so you get the double thumbs up. How
43:23
Speaker 2: good's that?
43:25
Speaker 1: I'm not even lying when I was up there last Saturday,
43:28
Speaker 1: because I go every Saturday to take fucking hercules to
43:31
Speaker 1: the gym Ronnie mcgronstar, And yeah, Mary asked me to
43:37
Speaker 1: open multiple things because she was cooking, and you know
43:40
Speaker 1: she takes out the jars of whatever out of the
43:42
Speaker 1: fridge or the cupboard. I may as well just go
43:45
Speaker 1: up there to open jars every Saturday and then drive home.
43:48
Speaker 1: But if she had the robotic fucking thumb, she wouldn't
43:51
Speaker 1: need me. I'd become redundant.
43:55
Speaker 2: That's it, just a robotic thumb and that's all your work.
44:00
Speaker 1: What role does Craig play is essentially a robotic thumb.
44:04
Speaker 1: It comes at no cost.
44:06
Speaker 2: It must be pretty easy to use if people only
44:09
Speaker 2: took sixty seconds to be able to feel comfortable using it,
44:13
Speaker 2: because I would think that if you had a glove
44:15
Speaker 2: with an extra thumb pointing out, that would be weird.
44:18
Speaker 2: But evidently not. That says a lot about the user experience.
44:23
Speaker 2: If it's that easy to pick up and start working with,
44:25
Speaker 2: don't you reckon?
44:26
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I guess I mean more, I don't know,
44:30
Speaker 1: maybe more importantly, like for people who like amputees who
44:35
Speaker 1: have had accidents or whatever, you think, what are the
44:38
Speaker 1: potential applications. There's a well known fuck. I think his
44:44
Speaker 1: name is Paul Gelder. It might be he is a
44:48
Speaker 1: guy who had one of his arms bitten off and
44:54
Speaker 1: or like his forearm and hand and one of his
44:57
Speaker 1: legs bitten off. Paul dig Gelder, Paul de Gelder, Thanks
45:01
Speaker 1: tiff In believe it or not. Patrick Sidney Harbor shark
45:07
Speaker 1: attack like like, imagine being fucking attacked by a shark
45:13
Speaker 1: and he was a navy diver, but he's got these
45:17
Speaker 1: motherfucker of a bionic end and he's jacked, like he's
45:22
Speaker 1: this bit strong, jacked athletic dude. And he's got a
45:26
Speaker 1: prosthetic bionic arm and hand and also a leg I think,
45:31
Speaker 1: or just a prosthetic leg. But yeah, I think that's
45:34
Speaker 1: one of the I think pretty soon we're going Look,
45:39
Speaker 1: this is just what I think. I could be wildly wrong,
45:41
Speaker 1: but I think we're going to see in the next
45:45
Speaker 1: decade we're going to see quadriplegics walking through, you know,
45:50
Speaker 1: with the stuff that they can now do with not
45:53
Speaker 1: only the spine and the nervous system, but also robotics
45:56
Speaker 1: and and you know, imagine, imagine people like our friend
46:01
Speaker 1: tif Joel SARTI imagine, fuck, how good would that be
46:05
Speaker 1: for him to be able to get to that point
46:08
Speaker 1: in time? And Yeah, I think it's exciting. I think
46:11
Speaker 1: for me, this is the well, one of the there's many,
46:13
Speaker 1: but one of the upsides Patrick of like this kind
46:17
Speaker 1: of genius that is coming online is that when we
46:21
Speaker 1: can do stuff like help people walk that would never
46:24
Speaker 1: have been able to walk, you know, for me, that's
46:27
Speaker 1: it's it's all all the negative is worth it if
46:30
Speaker 1: we can do things like that.
46:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's lots of different trains of thought too.
46:33
Speaker 2: There's the exoskeleton where they basically have an exoskeleton around
46:38
Speaker 2: the non functioning limbs, the legs. Of course, you could
46:42
Speaker 2: then you know, match that up with say the brain implant,
46:47
Speaker 2: so you do it that way. But but I think
46:48
Speaker 2: we've spoken about this before as well, bypassing the injury
46:51
Speaker 2: to the spine where you yeah, an ability to actually
46:55
Speaker 2: have the nerve tissue connected and bypass the broken connection
46:59
Speaker 2: there and so potentially that could be as well. So
47:02
Speaker 2: I'm super exciting.
47:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think about the muscles, like, for example,
47:06
Speaker 1: if somebody gets say a let's say between the shoulder blades,
47:10
Speaker 1: so the thoracic so at T five or six, right,
47:14
Speaker 1: and so they their arms work, but their legs don't work.
47:19
Speaker 1: But their legs actually work. It's just that there's no
47:24
Speaker 1: basically juice getting to the legs, you know. So as
47:27
Speaker 1: you said, like the actual muscles, there's nothing wrong with
47:31
Speaker 1: the muscles, they're just not getting any neural connection for
47:35
Speaker 1: the brain to make the legs work. So yeah, if
47:38
Speaker 1: you could build a little kind of a neural bridge
47:41
Speaker 1: over that break so that that signal gets through, I mean,
47:46
Speaker 1: I reckon you and I could probably figure that out
47:48
Speaker 1: on a weekend. If we really put our minds.
47:50
Speaker 4: To it, can get the crab to build it.
47:55
Speaker 1: Exactly. I could conceptualize it. You know, I do work
48:00
Speaker 1: at Brain Park or I do research at Brain Park,
48:03
Speaker 1: So fuck, how hard can it be? I'm kidding everyone,
48:05
Speaker 1: Please don't send me hate emails.
48:07
Speaker 2: But I love through the door. They did, they not filter?
48:11
Speaker 2: People look like.
48:14
Speaker 1: I'm like the stupid mascot. You know, have AFL clubs
48:18
Speaker 1: have a mascot. I'm the Brain Park mascot. I just
48:21
Speaker 1: fucking walk around bumping into shit and people pat.
48:23
Speaker 4: Me Brain Park Labrador.
48:26
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the one who's pushing at the door that
48:28
Speaker 2: says Paul.
48:29
Speaker 4: Yeah.
48:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I just pushed my head against the door
48:32
Speaker 1: until someone hears me banging and then they let me in.
48:35
Speaker 1: It's sad, but like I love the pats and the food.
48:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. So talking about uplifting technology, this was I thought,
48:43
Speaker 2: this is a nice little segue. So the Chinese drone
48:46
Speaker 2: manufacturer Dji has for the first time ever flown a
48:52
Speaker 2: drone to the top of Everest up up to one
48:55
Speaker 2: of the base stations at Everest. Because the air is
48:58
Speaker 2: quite thin and it's hard to get the lift capacity.
49:02
Speaker 2: And what they're talking about is using the fly cart
49:05
Speaker 2: thirty to be able to fly up there. So we're
49:09
Speaker 2: talking six thousand meters six kilometers up and it was
49:14
Speaker 2: able to be able to deliver resources up to people
49:21
Speaker 2: at the top of Everest or up up that high.
49:23
Speaker 2: And because the big the problem there is the high winds,
49:27
Speaker 2: the sub zero temperatures, is a whole lot of factors
49:29
Speaker 2: that have meant that drones in the past haven't been
49:32
Speaker 2: able to get up there. But it also means that
49:34
Speaker 2: they can clean up all the crap that's on top
49:37
Speaker 2: of Everest as well. There's a whole lot of junk
49:39
Speaker 2: up there, a lot of well lots of stuff up there,
49:42
Speaker 2: so they can a whole lot of dead people and
49:45
Speaker 2: dead people yeah, yep. So the good thing is that
49:48
Speaker 2: they were able to do this. They did a round
49:50
Speaker 2: trip and they still had forty three percent battery power
49:53
Speaker 2: by the end of it, which is kind of cool.
49:55
Speaker 2: And what it will do though, is it's going to
49:57
Speaker 2: make it a lot safer two because they do clean
50:00
Speaker 2: up parts of Everest, And what it's going to mean
50:03
Speaker 2: is that for the sherpas and people who are trying
50:05
Speaker 2: to preserve the natural area they can stand in pulling
50:09
Speaker 2: these drones. I thought that was really kind of cool
50:11
Speaker 2: that they're doing that with the drones. I had a
50:13
Speaker 2: personal example last weekend. I think I told Tip about this.
50:17
Speaker 2: I do a bit of drone photography and one of
50:19
Speaker 2: my clients wanted me to go out and do some
50:21
Speaker 2: drone work just around some earth moving that they were doing.
50:25
Speaker 2: And I left the land and I was only driving
50:28
Speaker 2: forty five minutes and it was nice and still kind
50:31
Speaker 2: of nice day. And I get to the location and
50:34
Speaker 2: they're gusting winds of forty five kilometers an hour and
50:38
Speaker 2: at one point the drone that I've got can at
50:41
Speaker 2: top speed can go about seventy clicks, so it's fast.
50:44
Speaker 2: If you put it into sport mode, it's pretty fast.
50:46
Speaker 2: So I had it in sport mode and it was
50:48
Speaker 2: still going backwards. Yeah, it was pretty full on. So
50:53
Speaker 2: I had to kind of fly closer to the ground
50:54
Speaker 2: and then move it to one location and then let
50:56
Speaker 2: the wind kind of push it at maximum speed. But
51:00
Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting. So when to fly all
51:02
Speaker 2: the way up, you know, to to that part of
51:05
Speaker 2: Everest and to you know, nineteen thousand six hundred and
51:10
Speaker 2: eighty five feet sounds more impressive than six thousand meters,
51:12
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
51:13
Speaker 1: Well, six kilometers. The top of Everest is nearly nine kilometers,
51:17
Speaker 1: so that must be up to one of the base
51:19
Speaker 1: camps or one of the camp tours, but still six
51:25
Speaker 1: kilometers up in the air. Dude. Yeah, Like you think
51:28
Speaker 1: of a hundred story building that's one thousand feet usually
51:32
Speaker 1: because there's like ten foot a floor, so that that
51:37
Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of what did you say, how
51:40
Speaker 1: many thousand feet?
51:42
Speaker 2: Nineteen thousand feet?
51:44
Speaker 1: That'd be the equivalent of a nineteen hundred story building.
51:51
Speaker 1: That's fucking Hey, we needs jam. How can people find
51:54
Speaker 1: you my friend and come and you know, play with
51:57
Speaker 1: you and your drone? And also perhaps you need to
52:01
Speaker 1: organize the the wedding arrangements just so all of us
52:05
Speaker 1: can plan.
52:07
Speaker 2: Well. If someone wants to just chat about nerd stuff
52:09
Speaker 2: with me, I'm always happy to do that. And thank
52:11
Speaker 2: you Dale from Geelong.
52:13
Speaker 1: You get married if I'll pay for it.
52:16
Speaker 2: Ah, we want to go to Vegas, Tiff, Let's go
52:20
Speaker 2: to Vegas again.
52:21
Speaker 1: I'm not paying for your honey. If you want to
52:25
Speaker 1: get married, I.
52:27
Speaker 2: Pay for it. And we want to get married in Vegas.
52:30
Speaker 1: I will pay for your wedding up to a value
52:32
Speaker 1: of five thousand dollars. Has to be a legal wedding.
52:37
Speaker 2: You know this is being recorded, right you can't.
52:39
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm happy if you actually really get married.
52:42
Speaker 1: I'll pay for it.
52:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will go to Vegas and get married, and
52:46
Speaker 2: then you're not getting married in Vegas.
52:47
Speaker 1: You've got to get married here. We need a real
52:49
Speaker 1: wedding and it needs to be legal, and me and
52:53
Speaker 1: the typ folks are going to come along.
52:55
Speaker 4: My mom's going to be so happy.
52:58
Speaker 2: Only if you're the bride's maid.
53:01
Speaker 1: I'll be the flower girl. I'll do security. I'll fucking sing,
53:04
Speaker 1: don't worry.
53:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, people can contact me going to websites now dot
53:09
Speaker 2: com todau because Genesis effects is too hard to spell.
53:14
Speaker 2: So you know, I created my business name before the
53:17
Speaker 2: internet was a thing, and so no one knows how
53:21
Speaker 2: to spell genesis effects, so I just kind of created
53:23
Speaker 2: websites now. Dot com toda you is the alternative. I mean,
53:27
Speaker 2: we do a lot of websites, so I guess that's
53:29
Speaker 2: a good reason to have that, But it's just the
53:31
Speaker 2: easiest way to spell what we do.
53:35
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we try and get too tricky with names.
53:38
Speaker 1: I think that I think your new name works best. Patrick,
53:40
Speaker 1: Thank you, Pa, thank you, thank you. I think this
53:44
Speaker 1: episode is going to be called Patrick and Tiff for
53:46
Speaker 1: getting married for sure,