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The Never Ending Debate - Two Shoes, One Shoe, or No Shoes? · Making The Impact - A Dance Competition Podcast

0:07
SPEAKER_19: Have you ever wondered what goes on behind the table at a dance competition?
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SPEAKER_19: Exactly what are the judges looking for anyway?
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SPEAKER_19: This is Making the Impact, a dance competition podcast.
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SPEAKER_19: Each week we'll cover a different topic related to the world of competitive dance from the perspective of the judges behind the table.
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SPEAKER_19: It's a conversation that feels like it will never end.
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SPEAKER_19: The debate over wearing two shoes, one shoe, or no shoes at competition.
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SPEAKER_19: On today's episode of Making the Impact, we invited your IBA judges to chime in with their opinions on footwear.
0:39
SPEAKER_19: So sit back, relax, and maybe pull out that unused right shoe that's been gathering dust in your closet.
0:47
SPEAKER_03: Hello, dance world, and welcome back to our next episode of Making the Impact.
0:53
SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Courtney Ortiz, and I'm here with my co-host, Leslie Mueller.
0:57
SPEAKER_03: What's up, Courtney?
0:58
SPEAKER_03: It's a big one today.
1:00
SPEAKER_03: Uh-oh, everybody.
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SPEAKER_03: This is a very, very hot topic that we are finally tackling in full detail here on the podcast.
1:09
SPEAKER_03: And if you clicked on the episode, you know exactly what we're about to talk about.
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SPEAKER_19: I mean, if you clicked on the episode, get ready.
1:16
SPEAKER_19: Like you knew what was coming.
1:18
SPEAKER_19: This is not just like a la-di-da kind of conversation.
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SPEAKER_19: This is this is a polarizing topic and an age-old topic, at least in the past 20, 20 years.
1:27
SPEAKER_19: I don't know, 15 years?
1:29
SPEAKER_19: We're old.
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SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_19: I mean, I guess I'd say 10.
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SPEAKER_03: It definitely the past 10 years.
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SPEAKER_03: It's it's a new phenomenon of the dance competition world.
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SPEAKER_19: Uh, two shoes, no shoes, one shoe.
1:42
SPEAKER_19: It's it's a debate, y'all.
1:43
SPEAKER_19: And we have got a lot of opinions coming at you today from our wonderful IDA judges.
1:48
SPEAKER_19: We have some opinions coming from some Facebook groups.
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SPEAKER_19: We just kind of collected a lot of different thoughts, and we'll obviously give you our thoughts as well.
1:55
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4:48
SPEAKER_03: All right, listeners, we are here to talk all about one of the hottest topics in the dance competition industry.
4:56
SPEAKER_03: Two shoes, no shoes, or one shoe.
5:02
SPEAKER_03: And this is a this is an episode where we're doing chime in from your judges.
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SPEAKER_03: So you're gonna hear from a lot of different IDA judges on this chat, as well as some stats that we've acquired throughout the dance industry as well in regards to this specific topic.
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SPEAKER_19: And now we've we've covered this kind of here and there, you know, in presentation episodes, in costuming episodes, in safety, you know, concern episodes.
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SPEAKER_19: But we thought, you know, we should cover it in depth.
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SPEAKER_19: 100% episode devoted to this topic, because I just feel like it deserves more conversation because it's a big deal.
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SPEAKER_19: And, you know, people have, as we've seen over the years, like very strong opinions for many reasons.
5:43
SPEAKER_19: And so we wanted to kind of give everyone an idea of what those reasons are on both sides.
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SPEAKER_19: Now we have we have a few on the other side.
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SPEAKER_19: So I'm interested to, you know, hear about that from them and to give that information to y'all out there in Dance World.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I think the first thing that we should kick off the episode with are some stats that we've acquired through different platforms within the dance community and the dance space, pulling uh our community to find out their thoughts on this topic at hand from multiple perspectives.
6:17
SPEAKER_03: So let's kick it off with our pull from our personal Making the Impact a Dance Competition community group, which is on Facebook.
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SPEAKER_03: If you aren't a part of that community, join now.
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SPEAKER_03: We have over 3,500 members in the group and we chat about all things dance.
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SPEAKER_03: And I decided to pull our community.
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SPEAKER_03: Now remember, this has dancers in it, professionals, judges, teachers, business owners, dance parents, dance grandparents.
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SPEAKER_03: It's anyone that loves dance that is in our community and listens to our podcast.
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SPEAKER_19: I want to also mention, too, none of these polls are scientifically done or measured.
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SPEAKER_19: You know, we don't have numbers of like how many people even looked at this.
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SPEAKER_19: Like this first poll you'll hear is just percentages.
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SPEAKER_19: It's not based on the amount of people in the group.
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SPEAKER_19: So like we don't have like very granular information.
7:07
SPEAKER_19: So consider all of this just a very general overview.
7:10
SPEAKER_19: I wanted to make sure nobody was thinking we were over here doing like, you know, scientifically based studies because we're not, we don't have that.
7:17
SPEAKER_19: No, we're definitely not.
7:18
SPEAKER_19: I don't have the background for that.
7:19
SPEAKER_19: So this is as good as we can do, and I but I think it's actually pretty telling once we get into it.
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SPEAKER_19: So go court.
7:26
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
7:27
SPEAKER_03: So the two shoes, one shoe, or no shoes poll was asked.
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SPEAKER_03: The question was asked in our community.
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SPEAKER_03: The results are in we have 39% who voted I'm a two shoes supporter, 3% voted I'm a one-shoe perf supporter, and 24% who voted I'm a barefoot supporter.
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SPEAKER_03: Now I think that a lot of people are team two shoes or no shoes, but it is interesting to see that there is a little tiny 3% that does support the one shoe.
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SPEAKER_19: Yeah, and you know, this your particular question on this forum was on stage.
8:07
SPEAKER_19: Specifically, two shoes, one shoes, no shoes on stage.
8:09
SPEAKER_19: So hopefully that's what people were answering about, like not necessarily rehearsal or class, but on stage.
8:14
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, I mean, I'm it's interesting, like you said, the 3%.
8:17
SPEAKER_19: I don't know if uh if that 3% person slash persons explained themselves, perhaps, and maybe we'll hear from them.
8:25
SPEAKER_19: But yeah, it's I mean, it's very telling.
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SPEAKER_19: Like two shoes, hooray, a pretty big chunk, barefoot, a pretty big chunk, and then your teeny tiny outlier of one shoe.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
8:36
SPEAKER_03: So we have some more stats, and this is coming to us from a dance teacher Facebook group, and this was a poll that was done.
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SPEAKER_03: So strictly dance teachers are answering this.
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SPEAKER_03: And the poll asked, Do judge should judges deduct points for using one shoe?
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SPEAKER_03: was the question.
8:55
SPEAKER_03: And 69% of the uh answers were yes, they should deduct a point for only wearing one shoe on stage, and 24% said no.
9:06
SPEAKER_03: So this is specifically mentioning if they should be penalized for wearing one shoe on stage.
9:12
SPEAKER_03: Right.
9:12
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, and that's actually a pretty big uh difference in opinion.
9:17
SPEAKER_19: 69% said yes, we should deduct a point, or points, however many you want to do, and then only 24% said no, which I find that's actually really interesting because I, as a judge, typically don't deduct a point or a half a point.
9:30
SPEAKER_19: Maybe if there is a costume score, maybe I'm gonna take off a half a point, perhaps.
9:35
SPEAKER_19: But like I'm not that's not really my first thing I'm taking.
9:38
SPEAKER_19: I'm not always gonna talk about it, but I'm not usually gonna deduct something.
9:42
SPEAKER_19: But it's interesting to see that people are pushing for deducting.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm actually a a supporter of deducting because I do think that the only way things will change is if if people see it physically impacting their score.
9:55
SPEAKER_03: Because I think this is a like, and we're gonna dive into this, but I do feel that there is, it's not just the kid's decision, it's also the teacher's decision, or maybe it's maybe it is strictly the t the kid's decision and the kid the teacher was like, I told you not to wear that one shoe, look now look, type of thing.
10:11
SPEAKER_03: You know, and I but I do think that there it really should only be deducted if it is a broken down score where there is a costume or presentation aspect to that score, so you can actually see the point being deducted for that purpose.
10:23
SPEAKER_19: Right.
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SPEAKER_19: And it should always be, I mean, just like anything, in in my opinion, for judges, you gotta talk about what you're deducting.
10:31
SPEAKER_19: Even even if it is in a broken down five spread category or whatever, like you still have to, it all has to back itself up.
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SPEAKER_19: So yeah, you know, you shouldn't just see a half a point deducted from the costume score without that verbally being explained to you.
10:44
SPEAKER_19: Yes.
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SPEAKER_19: Transparency, y'all.
10:46
SPEAKER_19: Transparency is key.
10:47
SPEAKER_03: And our final poll that we hosted strictly within our Impact Dance Adjudicators Judge Roster, which has uh over 150 judges on our roster across with judges across the United States who are out judging every single weekend.
11:02
SPEAKER_03: We had 87 judges respond to our poll.
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SPEAKER_03: And the question was, are you a supporter of two shoes or no shoes?
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SPEAKER_03: And 87 judges, all 87, said I'm a supporter of two shoes and no shoes.
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SPEAKER_03: Not a single judge, zero, not a single judge, said I'm a one shoe supporter.
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SPEAKER_19: And I think it's worth it to note here, at least for our community of IDA judges, we have judges ranging from, I think maybe one of some of our oldest judges are in their 50s, and some of our youngest are in their early 20s.
11:34
SPEAKER_19: I think we have a couple of people who are under 25.
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SPEAKER_19: That's that's spanning multiple generations of dancers and dance educators.
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SPEAKER_19: Some of our younger judges probably performed with one shoe because it's been, you know, it's only been 10 years since they were in the actual, you know, competition space.
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SPEAKER_19: And then you're talking about judges in their 50s who are probably still like, what the heck?
11:53
SPEAKER_19: What do you mean one shoe?
11:54
SPEAKER_19: Because that wasn't a thing for most of their career.
11:56
SPEAKER_19: So I think that's really an interesting piece of information for everyone to have.
12:00
SPEAKER_19: It's that it's not just a segment of the judges.
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SPEAKER_19: It's not based on where you are or who you are or what age you are.
12:07
SPEAKER_19: It seems on our end, at least across the board, spanning region, age, experience, etc.
12:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
12:14
SPEAKER_03: Great point.
12:15
SPEAKER_03: And very valid.
12:17
SPEAKER_03: So we have a lot of judges who wanted to contribute to this episode and share their professional opinion from uh being professional dancers to being full-time dance teachers to being studio owners and dance judges.
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SPEAKER_03: They a lot of them have worn many, many hats in this industry, and they wanted to share their thoughts on this whole two shoes, one shoes, no shoes debate.
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SPEAKER_03: So let's jump in and hear from our very first IDA judge.
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SPEAKER_11: Hello, this is Ida Judge Maria from Minneapolis.
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SPEAKER_11: When I think two versus one versus no shoes, I will say each has pros and cons.
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SPEAKER_11: Two shoes are I think a polished dancer, I think a professional dancer, I think the teacher understands a beginning or an intermediate dancer needs help shaping and supporting their foot.
13:03
SPEAKER_11: As far as cons, the price.
13:05
SPEAKER_11: Some of these things are expensive, friends.
13:08
SPEAKER_11: One shoe, I think high speed turns.
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SPEAKER_11: I think this dancer has a lot of coordination and leg and ankle strength.
13:15
SPEAKER_11: But of course, as a judge, it's really distracting.
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SPEAKER_11: It gives choreography clues, and frankly, it makes me assume you can't do something.
13:25
SPEAKER_11: As far as no shoes, usually that means they're really connected to the floor.
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SPEAKER_11: And sometimes some of these dancers have such beautifully shaped feet that it weren't showing them off.
13:35
SPEAKER_11: But often I see the cons.
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SPEAKER_11: That is, a dancer is barefoot before their foot really knows the stretch or the flexion that they need for their performance.
13:44
SPEAKER_11: You know what I mean?
13:45
SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I know what you mean.
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SPEAKER_19: Man, thank you, Maria, for those really detailed uh pros and cons of each version.
13:53
SPEAKER_19: I love that sort of way of looking at it.
13:55
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, I mean, what what's really interesting to me is the sort of concept of your feet like wanting to be shown off.
14:02
SPEAKER_19: And like, that's real.
14:03
SPEAKER_19: Like if you have beautiful feet, if you're strong, if you if that really affects your line, if you have gorgeous, gorgeous feet, then yeah, man, I don't want to see any shoes on those feet.
14:12
SPEAKER_19: Cause also let's face it, a lot of shoes, you know, don't show off your feet very well if you don't have them fitted properly, if they're not the right material, if they're old, if they're, you know, all the things.
14:21
SPEAKER_19: So that's a concept, like something I didn't even think of, actually.
14:24
SPEAKER_19: So interesting.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, I I'm the kind of dancer, I I'm a bare feet dancer, but I also am happy to wear a shoe.
14:32
SPEAKER_03: And I love wearing a shoe because it actually makes my very, very flat feet look better than if I were bare feet.
14:40
SPEAKER_03: I enjoy being in bare feet.
14:42
SPEAKER_03: I like feeling the connection to the floor.
14:44
SPEAKER_03: I like feeling less restricted to be able to spread my foot flat and utilize the ball of my foot properly without it being confined to a shoe.
14:54
SPEAKER_03: But when I put a jazz shoe on, ooh, my foot looks like 10% better than it does if I am because you can't hide anything when you're in bare feet.
15:04
SPEAKER_03: You truly cannot.
15:05
SPEAKER_03: There's an you can you see all the flaws if there are flaws.
15:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
15:09
SPEAKER_03: But for sure.
15:10
SPEAKER_03: As of the Turner shoes that we see often, even if we're just talking about shoes in general, I personally think that those shoes sometimes make your feet look worse than better.
15:20
SPEAKER_19: 100%.
15:21
SPEAKER_19: Oh my god.
15:22
SPEAKER_19: I mean, and that's I think, you know, that's another conversation is what shoe do we like versus not?
15:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:28
SPEAKER_19: For and for what reason.
15:29
SPEAKER_19: But, you know, so speaking as your resident shoe person, what you're talking about, Courtney, with being able to spread your entire ball of your foot on the floor and you utilize that for your grounding outside of a shoe.
15:41
SPEAKER_19: Luckily, the industry generally, the foot, the dance footwear industry has recognized that that is now, not now, it's always been, but it is important.
15:50
SPEAKER_19: It's important to be able to spread your feet out.
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SPEAKER_19: So a lot of times in the past, you've seen a lot of tapered shoes, very more pointy-toed shoes, even in the ballet and jazz world, not to mention your character shoes, tap shoes, but a lot of the shoes now from all brands are noticing that they people's feet are just wider.
16:06
SPEAKER_19: Because dancers have been training barefoot for starting earlier in a lot of markets.
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SPEAKER_19: People's feet are just spreading out naturally and they can't be confined into a smaller shoe like that.
16:16
SPEAKER_19: So a lot of shoes are now becoming a little bit more rounded in the front so that they can have that access, just like being barefoot.
16:23
SPEAKER_19: So that's exciting just for the whole industry because that means we can sell you some shoes.
16:27
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
16:27
SPEAKER_19: But also, yes, fair Maria.
16:29
SPEAKER_19: Shoes are expensive.
16:30
SPEAKER_19: They kids are growing out of them constantly.
16:33
SPEAKER_19: It's hard to keep some of them pristine if you're working in them constantly.
16:36
SPEAKER_19: And, you know, so that's definitely something to consider.
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SPEAKER_03: I think that is uh one of um, one of the major points I think that a lot of studio owners or dance teachers might state when it comes to why we're choosing to wear like a half soul for everything, because it means that you don't have to change different shoes.
16:54
SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is kind of interesting, and I didn't even have this realization until recently.
16:59
SPEAKER_03: I made like a cute little collage for my birthday, and it was like throwback photos of me and when I was a dancer back in the day.
17:06
SPEAKER_03: If you and I tried to like include all genres of dance in that little collage that I made, but you could there's probably you have there's probably like 10 different types and styles of shoes that I wore throughout my time.
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SPEAKER_03: I had a tan jazz shoe, a black jazz shoe, black a padini, a padini, a black tapshoe, an Oxford tapshoe, a tan tapshoe, a ballet shoe, a lyrical shoe, you know what I mean?
17:30
SPEAKER_03: Like we had, and think about how much money that costs to have that much variety.
17:35
SPEAKER_03: And we had to buy a different shoe based on the costume.
17:38
SPEAKER_03: Right.
17:38
SPEAKER_03: You know, if it if it was called for a black tap shoe, you had to get the black tap shoe.
17:42
SPEAKER_03: Sorry about it.
17:43
SPEAKER_03: That's the costume.
17:44
SPEAKER_03: And I think that a lot of that either has gone out the window and not saying that's a bad thing.
17:50
SPEAKER_03: I think that it is smart.
17:51
SPEAKER_03: You know, dance is expensive.
17:52
SPEAKER_03: I think it is smart to kind of costume and structure it around a little bit of something that is a more affordable for everyone.
17:59
SPEAKER_03: But at the same time, I do see the importance of training in different styles of shoes.
18:04
SPEAKER_19: Right.
18:05
SPEAKER_19: Well, because then not all shoes are made equally.
18:07
SPEAKER_19: You know, there's there's different qualities, there's different reasons.
18:10
SPEAKER_19: And I mean, and that's sort of the thing that I I wish more people would understand about dance shoes.
18:15
SPEAKER_19: That, like, yeah, of course I get it, they're expensive.
18:17
SPEAKER_19: Can can you do jazz barefoot?
18:20
SPEAKER_19: Of course.
18:21
SPEAKER_19: Can you do lyrical barefoot?
18:22
SPEAKER_19: Of course.
18:23
SPEAKER_19: But like there are shoes that support those styles of dance for a reason.
18:27
SPEAKER_19: They exist, like Maria was saying, to support a younger dancer, somebody who doesn't have foot strength or good articulation.
18:34
SPEAKER_19: You know, they're they're there for a reason.
18:35
SPEAKER_19: And a lot of times shoes protect you as well from something on your floor, something on a stage you've never been on.
18:41
SPEAKER_19: You know, like shoes are there to protect you from all kinds of things as well.
18:45
SPEAKER_19: So, you know, it is kind of a a hard, hard decision to make when you're trying to balance all of all of the choices out there.
18:52
SPEAKER_19: But I really, I really appreciate, like I said, Maria's really varied perspective on all of that.
18:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
18:58
SPEAKER_03: I agree.
18:58
SPEAKER_03: And I think it was a great way to kick off this conversation.
19:01
SPEAKER_03: We have more judges who are ready and eager to chime in and share their thoughts.
19:06
SPEAKER_03: So let's hear from our next three IDA judges, and we're going to kick it off with IDA judge Heather.
19:12
SPEAKER_12: As a judge, I am not a fan of seeing dancers come on stage with just one shoe on for two main reasons.
19:19
SPEAKER_12: The first is that it's an immediate tell.
19:21
SPEAKER_12: You know, right off the bat, I know which side all of your turns are gonna be on, so it takes some of the surprise away from me.
19:27
SPEAKER_12: And it's also a tell of which side you're more comfortable with turning on, which makes me think as a judge that you're not well-rounded.
19:35
SPEAKER_12: You don't have technique on one side as much as the other.
19:37
SPEAKER_12: The second main reason is that never ever ever as a professional will you go on stage with one shoe on.
19:44
SPEAKER_12: It is a skill to be able to dance in shoes, and it's a skill to be able to dance barefoot.
19:49
SPEAKER_12: And one, aesthetically, you would like to be even on both sides, but two, it's never something that you'll find in your professional career.
19:58
SPEAKER_14: Hey, this is IDA Judge Amy from Rollin O'Grappits, North Carolina, and I am a big supporter of two shoes or no shoes.
20:05
SPEAKER_14: Whenever I see dancers take the stage with just one shoe, my first question is why?
20:10
SPEAKER_14: We're not gonna leave the house with one shoe on, one shoe off.
20:12
SPEAKER_14: So we shouldn't take the stage that way.
20:14
SPEAKER_14: It's gonna give you a complete look in your costuming and appearance if you take the stage with two shoes or no shoes.
20:20
SPEAKER_14: And it's also not gonna let your audience know which side you're more comfortable with for turns and tricks.
20:26
SPEAKER_14: Not only is it important to make sure that we take the stage with two shoes or no shoes, but it's also important to make sure we're training in the studio the same way.
20:33
SPEAKER_17: Hi, this is Brittany Sprung, IDA judge from Las Vegas, and I would love to share my thoughts on two shoes, no shoes, or one shoe.
20:42
SPEAKER_17: I'm really team both shoes or no shoes for a couple reasons.
20:47
SPEAKER_17: I think that, you know, as a judge, I really want to see you as a well-rounded, versatile dancer.
20:52
SPEAKER_17: Um and if I see you with one shoe or a half sole and only on one foot, I'm probably now assuming and expecting that you're only gonna turn on one side or you need that bare foot to support you in some kind of acro skill and being sure that we're supported through the ground.
21:11
SPEAKER_17: And I really want to see you showcase that that balance and that strength and that groundedness through your core and through your pelvis rather than relying on those shoes to help you.
21:21
SPEAKER_17: But the other thing that I think is really important is that if you are pursuing dance, once you get out of grade school, high school, and you're moving on to another part of your life, you're never gonna not wear bull shoes or no shoes in a professional setting.
21:37
SPEAKER_17: And modern companies, contemporary companies, you're probably gonna be barefoot.
21:41
SPEAKER_17: If you're working on cruise ships or you're at Disney or some other theme park and things like that, you're always gonna have both shoes on.
21:48
SPEAKER_19: All right.
21:49
SPEAKER_19: Well, those were some a lot of different opinions, but the same somehow.
21:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that m the for this group of judges, they all had a very similar perspective.
22:00
SPEAKER_03: When and what I my takeaway from that is the first impression.
22:04
SPEAKER_03: And that is a really, really important part of dance.
22:09
SPEAKER_03: We talked a lot about it in our stage entrances and exits episode that launched not too long ago.
22:15
SPEAKER_03: Because the moment you step out on stage, we're already getting an idea of who you are as a dancer.
22:22
SPEAKER_03: And if you are walking on stage with, you know, your presentation is the first thing that we see before you've even danced.
22:30
SPEAKER_03: So if you're already showing to us, oh wow, there's only one shoe on their foot, that immediately makes us assume certain things in our head before you've even started dancing.
22:40
SPEAKER_19: Right.
22:40
SPEAKER_19: And I think it was it's interesting, and I want to point this out, because I think this is some kind sometimes we get rebuttals about this, and maybe we'll get the rebuttals later once we get into that of, well, the audience, like your lay person, your Joe Schmo, doesn't know why you have on one shoe.
22:55
SPEAKER_19: They're not assuming anything.
22:56
SPEAKER_19: Well, but yes, sure, but they're not the judges.
22:59
SPEAKER_19: And if you're at a competition, you know, yeah, not everybody's here to just win a trophy, but you are here and you're getting adjudicated.
23:06
SPEAKER_19: You know, we are not the end-all be-all of who you're performing for, of course not.
23:10
SPEAKER_19: Like, of course you're performing for the audience and us as a judge.
23:14
SPEAKER_19: But the judges are the ones giving you the feedback.
23:17
SPEAKER_19: The judges are the ones giving you the points and basically determining where you're gonna place.
23:22
SPEAKER_19: And I don't like to like this, feels kind of threatening, and it's done not meant to sound that way, but like you've heard for eons now, it sounds like from all of us judges, many judges, most judges, we don't like one shoe.
23:36
SPEAKER_19: So if you know that, then why wouldn't you put two shoes on or wear no shoes?
23:41
SPEAKER_04: Right.
23:41
SPEAKER_19: Like you are already walking in.
23:42
SPEAKER_19: Like that's for me at this point, like this far into this exercise of having this conversation for 10 years.
23:49
SPEAKER_19: At this point, you you just already know.
23:52
SPEAKER_19: Everybody has to know.
23:53
SPEAKER_19: Surely we all know, we have all heard judges don't like one shoe.
23:57
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
23:57
SPEAKER_19: Okay, well then can you please just wear two shoes?
24:00
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
24:01
SPEAKER_19: Because otherwise, I don't want to hear the complaints.
24:03
SPEAKER_19: Well, the judge said this about the one shoe.
24:05
SPEAKER_19: Yes, we did.
24:06
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, you knew that.
24:07
SPEAKER_19: You knew we were gonna say it.
24:08
SPEAKER_19: Right.
24:08
SPEAKER_19: Exactly.
24:10
SPEAKER_19: We're gonna say it.
24:10
SPEAKER_19: So, like, cut your losses and just get the point.
24:13
SPEAKER_19: Right.
24:13
SPEAKER_19: Wear two shoes and get the point.
24:15
SPEAKER_19: Like, I don't know.
24:16
SPEAKER_03: You know, and this is exactly a perfect example of how our hands are so tied as judges sometimes because we try to deduct and we get yelled at.
24:25
SPEAKER_03: We try to say something about it and we get yelled at.
24:28
SPEAKER_03: You're coming to us for our professional opinion, and a lot of judges, whether the customer likes it or not, a lot of judges have worked professionally.
24:39
SPEAKER_03: A lot of them have.
24:40
SPEAKER_03: There, there are a lot that haven't, but they're, you know, you're not-I'm gonna probably say that you are going to find more judges sitting behind the table who have had some type of professional performance career than not.
24:52
SPEAKER_03: The and I think it's slightly shifting, and I think it also depends on what type of competition that you choose to go to.
24:58
SPEAKER_03: But, you know, I think that we are trying to prep dancers for an easy transition into a professional world.
25:06
SPEAKER_03: And it does just come down to being stage ready.
25:09
SPEAKER_03: I think there's an expectation for a stage of any kind.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: There's an expectation for competitive dance.
25:16
SPEAKER_03: And as a judge, I have my view of what that is, and yours can be different.
25:20
SPEAKER_03: But as we're here giving stats and here having people chime in from professional opinions, the majority is seeming like it's going towards two shoes or no shoes.
25:32
SPEAKER_03: So to set the first impression off in a in a in the wrong way, why would you want to do that?
25:38
SPEAKER_03: You know, to me, it's it's screaming that you're only gonna turn on one side.
25:42
SPEAKER_03: It's screaming that, you know, I even have the impression of like, I'm not sure if if you train seriously.
25:49
SPEAKER_03: I mean, that sounds harsh, but like, I mean, I don't know.
25:52
SPEAKER_03: If this isn't enforced, then how how good how clean is your technique?
25:56
SPEAKER_03: How great because I how safe is your technique?
25:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:59
SPEAKER_03: And you know, that sounds harsh because I haven't even seen you dance yet, but that is truly what is going on in our mind before you've done anything because you have decided that it's more important to show to display to the world, I need this one shoe and only one shoe.
26:17
SPEAKER_03: For what reason?
26:18
SPEAKER_03: Like Amy said, why?
26:20
SPEAKER_03: What is the purpose?
26:21
SPEAKER_03: Why do you need the one?
26:22
SPEAKER_03: There's gotta be a reason why.
26:24
SPEAKER_03: And I think that some people explain it eventually.
26:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we'll defend it.
26:28
SPEAKER_19: We have a few comments, and so we're we'll get to those, of course.
26:31
SPEAKER_19: Why don't we hear from a few more judges?
26:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think let's let's jump into our next judge because I really enjoy this perspective, and I think that uh it might be eye-opening for a lot of y'all to hear.
26:44
SPEAKER_03: So let's hear from them.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: Hi, dancers.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: This is IDA Judge Amanda from Virginia, and I am definitely team both shoes or no shoes.
26:51
SPEAKER_02: The most common argument that I hear from dancers about wearing one shoe is that they can't do their turns and safely do their acro elements within the same routine.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: So therefore, they need one shoe.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: But then I would ask the question if we're not doing acro as a genre, in which case we can probably just be barefoot, then should we be doing that many tricks or acro elements in the genre that we are doing?
27:12
SPEAKER_02: If we're doing contemporary or lyrical or modern, maybe we're doing acro elements that don't even belong in that genre.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: And therefore this argument really isn't necessary, right?
27:23
SPEAKER_02: So we either need to wear both shoes and do the appropriate vocabulary within our genre, or we need to learn how to turn barefoot, because you're gonna need that in the professional world as well.
27:32
SPEAKER_02: The only time I will make an exception is if I'm judging an event that is for high school or college dance teams because I know that that is acceptable in that world, even though it still does bother me.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: I definitely let it go there.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: But otherwise, both shoes are no shoes dancers.
27:45
SPEAKER_19: Yes, applause, applause, applause.
27:47
SPEAKER_19: Wow, Amanda.
27:48
SPEAKER_19: Listen, Amanda's always bringing the realness.
27:51
SPEAKER_19: So real.
27:52
SPEAKER_19: That is a really good point.
27:54
SPEAKER_03: It is such a good point.
27:56
SPEAKER_19: I do feel as if that's going to rub some people the wrong way.
27:59
SPEAKER_19: But sometimes the truth hurts.
28:01
SPEAKER_03: Yes, this point is so needed.
28:04
SPEAKER_03: Like I was shaking my head, nodding in agreement the entire time I was listening to Amanda because sadly, it falls back down on the choreographer.
28:14
SPEAKER_03: This is we are pointing a finger, unfortunately, at the choreographer in this scenario because I think there is so much truth here.
28:22
SPEAKER_03: How much, how frequently do we discuss the fact that dance these days is nothing but acro?
28:28
SPEAKER_03: But you're not in the acro category.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: Where's the dancing?
28:31
SPEAKER_03: Where's the vocabulary within the genre that you are placing in competition?
28:36
SPEAKER_03: That falls back on the choreographer and what they chose to give the dancer to showcase them.
28:41
SPEAKER_03: And I understand that acro is a very big component of dance now, but do we need acro in every single dance?
28:49
SPEAKER_03: If you if it's impacting the way you execute your movement in your costume where you have to change your footwear to execute it, then I don't know if we need it.
29:00
SPEAKER_19: Well, and I just keep thinking back to like the 90s when we when you really did first start to see an aerial in someone's power lyrical number.
29:10
SPEAKER_19: One singular aerial.
29:12
SPEAKER_19: Those girls were wearing jazz shoes.
29:13
SPEAKER_19: Yep.
29:14
SPEAKER_19: Paninis.
29:15
SPEAKER_19: Or jazz shoes.
29:15
SPEAKER_19: Jazz shoes in the 90s, or you wore horrible lyrical sandals.
29:19
SPEAKER_19: Yep.
29:19
SPEAKER_19: Which, like, let's not bring those back.
29:21
SPEAKER_04: Nope.
29:21
SPEAKER_19: But everyone wore two of something, or they wore nothing.
29:25
SPEAKER_19: And every everyone, everyone who was like real good, because I wasn't doing an aerial, but like once once an aerial made it into a lyrical dance, you never you did not see people do them with one shoe.
29:36
SPEAKER_04: No.
29:36
SPEAKER_19: Somehow, these amazing dancers, and they were amazing back in the 90s and early 2000s, did their acro within their lyrical dance in two shoes.
29:44
SPEAKER_19: Correct.
29:45
SPEAKER_19: But did them safely, well.
29:47
SPEAKER_19: Yep.
29:47
SPEAKER_19: With no problem, with not even a thought in their mind to take a shoe off.
29:50
SPEAKER_19: Because they also had on tights.
29:52
SPEAKER_19: Correct.
29:52
SPEAKER_19: So I don't like like, and that the floor hasn't changed.
29:55
SPEAKER_19: Nope.
29:56
SPEAKER_19: You know what I mean?
29:56
SPEAKER_19: Like we're still using Marley.
29:58
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
29:58
SPEAKER_19: So what's what has changed?
30:00
SPEAKER_19: Sure, yeah, there's more acro in dance now.
30:03
SPEAKER_19: But I would argue that, like Courtney, you just said, if you can't do it, if you can't do it safely in two shoes or no shoes, then we you need to reevaluate what you're doing and how you're doing it.
30:14
SPEAKER_03: And even if you need to be doing it.
30:16
SPEAKER_03: Right.
30:16
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
30:17
SPEAKER_03: If you need to be doing it, I think that is is the most important thing.
30:20
SPEAKER_03: A lot of people think it is a requirement to have an aerial in a dance.
30:24
SPEAKER_03: Now it's part, it's it's practically a double PR wave.
30:28
SPEAKER_19: Front aerial.
30:29
SPEAKER_03: Right.
30:29
SPEAKER_19: Like the amount of front aerials.
30:31
SPEAKER_19: It's um it's astounding.
30:32
SPEAKER_19: Look and listen, good for you.
30:34
SPEAKER_19: Like I'm not here to say I don't want to ever see any of this stuff because it's impressive.
30:38
SPEAKER_19: It's a skill.
30:39
SPEAKER_19: If you learned that, I'm amazed.
30:41
SPEAKER_19: I'm like bowing down to you.
30:43
SPEAKER_19: However, in your lyrical dance, do I need an aerial, a front aerial, a back uh handspring?
30:48
SPEAKER_19: Do I need a step-out layout?
30:50
SPEAKER_19: No.
30:51
SPEAKER_19: I don't need all that.
30:52
SPEAKER_19: No, I don't need all that.
30:53
SPEAKER_19: We don't need all that.
30:54
SPEAKER_19: Go to the acro category, and that will be well rewarded.
30:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
30:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I completely agree.
31:00
SPEAKER_03: I think that there it choreography can absolutely have acro, but it shouldn't define the dance and it shouldn't make the presentational aspect of being stage ready need to be modified or adjusted for a proper execution.
31:16
SPEAKER_03: That that to me, I think that being stage ready trumps a f the choice of a front aerial in a routine.
31:23
SPEAKER_03: If you can't execute the the actual step and or skill that is given to you safely with two shoes or no shoes, then you don't do the step, unfortunately.
31:35
SPEAKER_19: I think the one shoe now has become a crutch.
31:38
SPEAKER_19: Because, well, you know, so let's say, let's say I've trained my aerial my whole life with one shoe because that it feels safe.
31:45
SPEAKER_19: I feel like I can do it well.
31:46
SPEAKER_19: I'm I'm nailing it every time.
31:48
SPEAKER_19: And I decide I want to go audition for a cruise ship.
31:51
SPEAKER_19: And they ask me, and in the room, you have to wear jazz shoes.
31:53
SPEAKER_19: And then they say, Do you have any special skills?
31:55
SPEAKER_19: Well, are you gonna be able to execute your aerial that you do have that could get you hired in two shoes?
32:02
SPEAKER_19: Right.
32:02
SPEAKER_19: If you don't feel safe doing that, then that might cost you a job.
32:05
SPEAKER_03: Right, because you're not gonna do it on the ship bare feet.
32:08
SPEAKER_19: Exactly.
32:09
SPEAKER_19: So, you know, and of course, we we have a con we have the conversation a lot and it gets brought up a lot that, well, we're not training everyone to be a professional dancer.
32:16
SPEAKER_19: No.
32:17
SPEAKER_19: But even recreational dancers should be safe.
32:20
SPEAKER_19: It's a safety dance.
32:21
SPEAKER_19: Even recreational dancers.
32:22
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, and like, and should also be trained well.
32:25
SPEAKER_19: And that's my thing is like we shouldn't be training professionals versus recreationally any different.
32:31
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, maybe there's more pressure on a professional level track versus a more recreational track, but the the safety aspect and the technical aspect, like I should be giving you the same training.
32:42
SPEAKER_19: So I don't, I just that's the argument that I can never understand.
32:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I think that, you know, when I think about the reasoning for the one shoe in this scenario when it comes to like the choreography that is given, most of the time the dancers don't need a shoe to do acro.
33:02
SPEAKER_03: Like that's not what the shoe is for.
33:04
SPEAKER_03: The shoe, they can do their acro bare feet.
33:06
SPEAKER_03: They probably prefer to do their acro bare feet because that's the whole point of having the one shoe so you're not slipping.
33:13
SPEAKER_03: It's when it comes to turns, is what the shoe is on the foot for, the one shoe.
33:18
SPEAKER_03: And then that's when for me, it's like, okay, then we then have to make another decision.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: Are we going to either learn how to do our acro with two shoes or learn how to turn bare feet?
33:32
SPEAKER_03: That's the decision that needs to be made.
33:34
SPEAKER_03: It shouldn't, and a lot of people are gonna say, oh, it's a safety issue.
33:37
SPEAKER_03: You know, I want to make sure they can land their acro safely, so that's why they don't have a shoe on that one foot.
33:42
SPEAKER_03: But I also want them to show off their turns.
33:45
SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, you can't get everything you want, all right?
33:49
SPEAKER_03: There is an expectation for stage, and you have to think about it from the other perspective, you know.
33:55
SPEAKER_03: Yes, I care about safety too.
33:57
SPEAKER_03: I I I don't want people going out there throwing aerials and acro skills that are beyond their level.
34:03
SPEAKER_03: I see it every weekend.
34:05
SPEAKER_03: But no matter what, I I want them to be safe.
34:07
SPEAKER_03: So if they are slipping in two shoes, then you have to decide, okay, we're taking both off, but you gotta learn how to build those calluses and turn bare feet because it's not it, there's no in between, unfortunately.
34:18
SPEAKER_03: And I that's how I feel.
34:19
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I just feel like that there's always an excuse.
34:22
SPEAKER_03: Well, what about this?
34:23
SPEAKER_03: Well, what about that?
34:24
SPEAKER_03: It's like, no, it's either you learn how to do it this way or you learn how to do it that way, or you don't put it in the dance.
34:30
SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
34:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't get it.
34:33
SPEAKER_03: It feels like a no-brainer, but I don't know.
34:35
SPEAKER_03: So, with that, let's hear from some of the opposing opinions on this, because I will have to admit, none of our judges were on the other side of this discussion.
34:46
SPEAKER_03: So you're not gonna hear a perspective from a judge that says the opposite.
34:50
SPEAKER_03: Um our judges, yes, maybe other judges, but all of the the 15 judges that chimed in here on this episode today that we are still going to listen to.
35:00
SPEAKER_03: Um, there's more to come, but none of them said they are in support of the one shoe.
35:06
SPEAKER_03: So we actually had to do some digging to find uh perspectives that support the one shoe.
35:12
SPEAKER_03: And I think that some of these are really valid perspectives.
35:15
SPEAKER_03: So I'd love for you and I to just kind of go through them and share our thoughts and opinions.
35:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
35:21
SPEAKER_03: So this is a response from our Making the Impact community group poll.
35:26
SPEAKER_03: And this is one of the people responding in the comments.
35:29
SPEAKER_03: They said, are we still debating this issue?
35:32
SPEAKER_03: My stance was always to be very adamant on two shoes, but recently I have had a bit of a change of heart, especially watching some of the UDA.
35:40
SPEAKER_03: The reality is the skills these kids are doing in routines today need a certain level of grip on the floor, and they are also turning a lot, needing the shoe.
35:49
SPEAKER_03: I am over the thanks for telling us you can only turn on one side excuse that judges use.
35:54
SPEAKER_03: 99% of the time a student wears one shoe is to execute the difficult skills and turns they are doing.
36:01
SPEAKER_03: Please tell me the last time a student with with both shoes on showed you a left and a right turn.
36:08
SPEAKER_03: Never happens.
36:09
SPEAKER_03: So let a comp kid wear one shoe.
36:12
SPEAKER_03: And if they ever enter the professional dance world, I feel certain that they will wear the correct shoes.
36:18
SPEAKER_03: Thoughts.
36:19
SPEAKER_19: Are we certain though?
36:20
SPEAKER_03: I know we're not.
36:21
SPEAKER_19: Can be certain.
36:22
SPEAKER_19: I know we're not.
36:24
SPEAKER_19: Because if all you've grown up doing is the opposite of what's professionally done, why would you ever even assume that you had to walk into a professional situation in two shoes?
36:35
SPEAKER_19: You wouldn't, because you don't know any different.
36:36
SPEAKER_19: Correct.
36:37
SPEAKER_03: If your teachers who are guiding you, who are leading you, who are the ones educating you are saying this is okay, then you are going to walk into a professional environment thinking it's okay because no one's told you otherwise.
36:51
SPEAKER_03: It unless that is being discussed.
36:53
SPEAKER_03: Well, our studio lets this fly and most judges hate it, but we approve this.
36:58
SPEAKER_03: But just remember, when you get to become a pro, you have to put two shoes on.
37:03
SPEAKER_03: Like, are people really doing that?
37:05
SPEAKER_19: I don't know.
37:05
SPEAKER_19: And that's what I wonder.
37:06
SPEAKER_19: That like, I I don't know.
37:08
SPEAKER_19: I hope not.
37:09
SPEAKER_19: But you know, what I will say about this comment is UDA.
37:13
SPEAKER_19: Right.
37:14
SPEAKER_19: Now.
37:14
SPEAKER_03: And Amanda mentioned it in hers as well.
37:16
SPEAKER_19: Yes, UDA, that's a different world entirely.
37:21
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
37:21
SPEAKER_19: And I think we've, you know, we have kind of touched on it in our episode about dance team a couple seasons ago.
37:27
SPEAKER_19: And it really is.
37:28
SPEAKER_19: It's a completely different world, it's a completely different different expectation.
37:31
SPEAKER_19: It's actually a completely different technique.
37:32
SPEAKER_19: You know, some of the ways that they get into turns and do all the acro, like it's different.
37:36
SPEAKER_19: And I so sure, and in that world, it is acceptable.
37:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
37:40
SPEAKER_19: You know, and so we're not talking about that world.
37:42
SPEAKER_04: No.
37:43
SPEAKER_19: The one thing I will say about UDA that I I'm kind of it's kind of a a rebuttal to this person's comment.
37:50
SPEAKER_19: Like, of course, I will give UDA a pass.
37:52
SPEAKER_19: Absolutely.
37:52
SPEAKER_19: Same, same with Amanda.
37:54
SPEAKER_19: However, what do you do after UDA?
37:56
SPEAKER_19: What comes after UDA?
37:58
SPEAKER_19: Pro world.
37:59
SPEAKER_19: Nothing.
37:59
SPEAKER_03: Or nothing.
38:00
SPEAKER_19: Well, right, not nothing.
38:02
SPEAKER_19: There's not an equivalent in the next step.
38:04
SPEAKER_19: You know what I mean?
38:05
SPEAKER_19: From dance competition land, our world, the next step is either collegiate dance, like dance program BFA program, or the professional world.
38:14
SPEAKER_19: All both of those places, collegiate dance and professional world, require two shoes or no shoes.
38:19
SPEAKER_19: UDA does not have a thing on top of it.
38:21
SPEAKER_03: In my head, I'm thinking that these dancers want to be on pro-tier teams like NBA, NFL.
38:28
SPEAKER_19: Well, then you're wearing a sneaker.
38:30
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
38:30
SPEAKER_19: Or a Dallas Cowboy trailer boot.
38:34
SPEAKER_19: Like nothing nothing comes after UDA that is comparable to UDA, I think is my point.
38:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:39
SPEAKER_19: Whereas, you know, dance composition world feeds into the professional world, feeds into the BFA program world.
38:45
SPEAKER_19: All of those top level things require two shoes or no shoes.
38:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:50
SPEAKER_19: Whereas UDA stops really in terms of what you can do afterwards.
38:54
SPEAKER_19: So okay, UDA argument, one shoe, sure, fine.
38:57
SPEAKER_19: But there's nothing after that to compare it to or to feed into.
39:01
SPEAKER_19: So I don't know that it necessarily matters because it's not we're we're still comparing apples to oranges.
39:06
SPEAKER_03: And I think that the hard part right now is that a lot of studios, there is there is that crossover.
39:13
SPEAKER_03: And unfortunately, I think that there's more of this crossover just in the rise of popularity of dance in general and more competitions out there and more dancers dancing, and more dancers who want to do the dance team route but want to get studio training.
39:27
SPEAKER_03: And then, or maybe the teachers were trained from a dance team world and are doing studio competitions, so then they're training dancers in that style, which we kind of said is very different from classical foundational studio dance training.
39:42
SPEAKER_03: So there's that blurred line, I think, of a lot of studios who are presenting stuff that could be done at a UDA style dance team style competition, but are presenting it at a studio dance competition and think that the rules are the same.
39:56
SPEAKER_03: And again, it's not a rule.
39:58
SPEAKER_03: It's a preference for sure.
40:00
SPEAKER_03: It is absolutely a preference.
40:01
SPEAKER_03: But again, if I am a judge and I am required to score your costume or presentation, why is it wrong for me to deduct a point if I feel as the judge that one shoe is unprofessional?
40:13
SPEAKER_03: I don't understand why anyone can even get mad at me for that.
40:17
SPEAKER_03: Like that's my opinion as a judge.
40:18
SPEAKER_03: Everyone's like, well, it's not a rule.
40:20
SPEAKER_03: So why would you deduct?
40:22
SPEAKER_03: I can deduct wherever I want.
40:24
SPEAKER_03: Are you really like analyzing everything?
40:31
SPEAKER_19: There's a ton of things in dance competitions that aren't rules that like I am actually required to speak about.
40:35
SPEAKER_19: Otherwise, I'm not doing my job.
40:37
SPEAKER_19: Right.
40:37
SPEAKER_19: Right.
40:38
SPEAKER_19: So if all you did, if your choreography was 10 kids in a straight line for three minutes, I'm gonna say something about that.
40:44
SPEAKER_19: Now, is it a rule that you have to change formations?
40:46
SPEAKER_19: No.
40:47
SPEAKER_19: Right.
40:47
SPEAKER_19: But is that a marker of good choreography to change formations?
40:50
SPEAKER_19: Yes.
40:51
SPEAKER_19: So if I'm trying to help you, I'm going to bring up the fact that you didn't change a formation for three minutes.
40:56
SPEAKER_19: Right.
40:56
SPEAKER_19: And I'm going to deduct a point because that was that was on you as the choreographer.
41:00
SPEAKER_19: You didn't do a good job showcasing what your dancers can do.
41:03
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
41:04
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
41:04
SPEAKER_19: So it's not a rule.
41:06
SPEAKER_19: No, it's not.
41:07
SPEAKER_19: But otherwise, why do you even have me here?
41:09
SPEAKER_19: Yep.
41:09
SPEAKER_19: What's the point?
41:10
SPEAKER_19: If I can't talk about it, then you should just go to dance at recital.
41:13
SPEAKER_19: You know what I mean?
41:14
SPEAKER_19: Which is again fine if that's what you want to do.
41:17
SPEAKER_19: Right.
41:18
SPEAKER_19: But why are you paying my hourly rate if you don't want to hear what I have to say?
41:22
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41:27
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42:41
SPEAKER_03: Are you training your dancers in versatility?
42:44
SPEAKER_03: Because if I see one shoe on your foot, that immediately informs me that you probably are only going to turn with that standing supporting leg.
42:52
SPEAKER_03: And you're probably not going to do an inside turn on in the opposite direction or of any type, or even an outside turn of any type.
43:00
SPEAKER_03: You're immediately informing me of that.
43:02
SPEAKER_03: I why would you want to tell the audience that you are only going to turn one way, one side, one standing leg?
43:09
SPEAKER_03: That's immediately informing to me as a judge that you aren't versatile and you aren't training both sides equally.
43:15
SPEAKER_03: And it falls back on the choreographer challenging the dancers, even if it's a single inside turn.
43:20
SPEAKER_03: I want to see variety.
43:22
SPEAKER_03: I want to see different types of variations.
43:24
SPEAKER_03: The amount of times we see dancers who the choreographer has given them, I've counted 10 exact the same leg extensions because that's their dominant leg and they they have a really good leg line.
43:37
SPEAKER_03: I don't need to see it 10 times.
43:39
SPEAKER_03: The same thing applies to pirouettes.
43:41
SPEAKER_03: So if your excuse is I need to you wear it to turn, you should, and this is a note for the choreographers, you should be choreographing for both side turns in the dance.
43:51
SPEAKER_03: That's it to challenge your dancers.
43:53
SPEAKER_03: And again, we want to show off their strength, but I'm sure every if you can do six outside pirouettes on the right.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: I'm sure you can do a clean double pirouette on the left.
44:02
SPEAKER_03: At least.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: I'd hope.
44:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:04
SPEAKER_19: And you might as well show us if you can do it, you know.
44:07
SPEAKER_19: And that's that's the crazy thing, is that like sometimes you'll see dancers who are just killing it out there.
44:12
SPEAKER_19: I mean, man, they are turning and leaping and acrowing and all the things, and they're really stunning, but they've only done it on the right side.
44:18
SPEAKER_19: And I'm like, I get very suspicious when that happens.
44:21
SPEAKER_07: Yes.
44:22
SPEAKER_19: Because I'm like, so did you just train this dance?
44:24
SPEAKER_19: Is all you've been doing this dance to execute those skills that are in this dance?
44:30
SPEAKER_19: And so, you know, I I do uh disagree with this this post saying that you never see people do, you know, turns on both sides.
44:37
SPEAKER_19: I do see that.
44:38
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
44:38
SPEAKER_19: It is not all the time, but I do see it.
44:40
SPEAKER_19: And when I do see it, I sure as heck am calling it out and praising it.
44:45
SPEAKER_19: Like, oh my gosh, thank you for that left turn.
44:46
SPEAKER_19: That was a beautiful single.
44:48
SPEAKER_19: That was a beautiful double.
44:49
SPEAKER_19: I don't need to see six turns on that side.
44:51
SPEAKER_19: I just need to know that you know how to turn somehow.
44:53
SPEAKER_03: I'm cool to see six turns on that side, as long as it doesn't become repetitive and you only turn on that side.
44:59
SPEAKER_03: If and if you have that strong of a center and you're a great turner, then show me that you can also turn on the other side.
45:06
SPEAKER_03: That even if it's an inside turn or something, like on the opposite standing leg, the opposite supporting leg.
45:12
SPEAKER_03: But I also will say that if there are those dancers that you're praising, Leslie, that have turned on both sides, I bet you they're wearing two shoes or no shoes.
45:20
SPEAKER_19: Right.
45:20
SPEAKER_19: Well, and that's what I'm saying is that like they are, because they're able to execute their turn on the left, you know.
45:25
SPEAKER_19: And again, everybody has a good side and a a side we're working on.
45:29
SPEAKER_19: And I would rather see your side you're working on as well.
45:32
SPEAKER_19: And again, that's what I meant by I don't need to see six turns on that side.
45:35
SPEAKER_19: Like, sure, show me your six turns on your quote unquote good side, but show me your single on the other side, and I'm gonna I'm gonna give you snaps because it's hard and it's good good to do hard things.
45:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:45
SPEAKER_03: All right, let's let's hear from one more perspective that is for the one shoe.
45:52
SPEAKER_03: And this is coming to us from our Making the Impact community group and a comment from our poll.
45:58
SPEAKER_03: They said pro golfers usually wear one glove on their lead hand to improve grip and control and to avoid interfering with their swing.
46:07
SPEAKER_03: Pro-batters may choose to wear one glove because they feel they have more control of the bat.
46:12
SPEAKER_03: Basketball players wear one leg sleeve for a variety of reasons, including style, comfort, and performance benefits.
46:20
SPEAKER_03: Pro quarterbacks may wear a glove on one hand for grip, comfort, or to protect their hands.
46:25
SPEAKER_03: UDA dancers utilize one shoe and it doesn't appear to be an issue.
46:30
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, let's shame an amateur dancer for wearing one turn shoe, whether it be for comfort, balance, performance, grip, or otherwise.
46:39
SPEAKER_03: To think that they are being penalized for this is absolute insanity.
46:43
SPEAKER_19: Tell it, tell it, commenter.
46:45
SPEAKER_19: So, you know, what I appreciate about this is that it's it is giving a really actionable, understandable comparison that I think is important to under to remember and to understand that like, you know, we are what we do in the competitive dance world is just as athletic.
47:01
SPEAKER_19: And there's there's considerations, you know, as dancers, we have to think about like for safety, for performance quality, you know, for technique and being able to do what we do, because we do what we do at a very high level.
47:13
SPEAKER_19: However, all of those things this poster mentioned are sports.
47:17
SPEAKER_19: And sports, you know, aside a lot of times from having a uniform and that's about it, like that's the only physical outward requirement that they have.
47:28
SPEAKER_19: You know, yeah, maybe there's rules, and of course, you know, somebody can come correct me because I didn't play a sport in my entire life.
47:32
SPEAKER_19: You know, there's probably rules about certain accoutrement that you can use while you're playing your sport in a competitive setting.
47:40
SPEAKER_19: But again, we're not a sport.
47:42
SPEAKER_04: No.
47:42
SPEAKER_19: We're not fully a sport.
47:44
SPEAKER_19: I have absolutely support the idea that we are an artistic sport, an athletic artistic sport, but art is there for a reason.
47:51
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
47:52
SPEAKER_19: Presentation matters.
47:54
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
47:54
SPEAKER_19: It matters.
47:55
SPEAKER_19: I I don't know.
47:56
SPEAKER_19: In studio dance, it matters.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
47:58
SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately, you know, I I I think the UDA comparison, and again, we're gonna bring that up.
48:03
SPEAKER_03: I think that that is as close as we can get to making this make sense.
48:08
SPEAKER_03: Because I do think that it that that the UDA style dance feels more like a sport, right?
48:13
SPEAKER_03: That feels like a sport to me, or the sport of dance, uh, if you will, versus studio dance competitions where a lot of those dancers have come from for that go to UDA.
48:26
SPEAKER_03: But I think there is just a different expectation, unfortunately.
48:30
SPEAKER_03: It is a it like we said, it's two very different beasts.
48:33
SPEAKER_03: There is some crossover happening, and who knows, maybe in 10 years from now, it will be a fully crossover, right?
48:39
SPEAKER_03: Because we're seeing very studio style uh dances of what you wouldn't consider um typical standard dance team and quotes style routines at UDA now.
48:51
SPEAKER_03: You're seeing contemporary, you're seeing this, you're seeing that, you know, we're kind of crossing, uh blending those bridges together and those styles of movement together than what your standard dance team dance would be.
49:02
SPEAKER_03: However, we're still talking about studio dance competitions.
49:05
SPEAKER_03: We're not talking about UDA, and we've already talked about the fact that it is accepted there, but we're talking about children's dance competitions where we as judges have a specific expectation because we are looking at this more of the transition to professional dance, is what we're looking at.
49:21
SPEAKER_03: And we've already made this point, you've made this point perfectly clear earlier, Leslie.
49:26
SPEAKER_03: So I agree.
49:27
SPEAKER_03: I think that there that this example doesn't really apply to studio dance presentational expectations because those and again, he also said pro, pro, pro, pro, pro everywhere.
49:39
SPEAKER_03: Those are also like, yes, you're a part of a team, but you're also an individual player.
49:44
SPEAKER_03: And I think that, you know, when you're going on stage as a team, we want to be uniform and we want to be the same.
49:50
SPEAKER_03: But I I definitely think that it says a lot when there's a presentation aspect a part of the competition.
49:57
SPEAKER_03: Like that you're literally getting judged on that.
50:00
SPEAKER_03: If if if that wasn't on the score sheet, I don't necessarily think that we need to deduct points.
50:05
SPEAKER_03: But if it is, I'm darn well going to, unfortunately.
50:08
SPEAKER_03: And it and that, you know, that's just sorry about it.
50:11
SPEAKER_03: Like that's my job to do.
50:13
SPEAKER_03: But I also want to mention that I am okay, and I've accepted this.
50:18
SPEAKER_03: I am okay if you as a studio choose to train your dancers in one shoe for training purposes.
50:25
SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
50:26
SPEAKER_03: If that's what you want to do, I don't, I wouldn't do it.
50:29
SPEAKER_03: Me, if it was my studio, I wouldn't.
50:31
SPEAKER_03: But if you choose that, that's fine.
50:33
SPEAKER_03: When you come on stage, there's a different expectation.
50:36
SPEAKER_03: And that is when I have a problem with it.
50:38
SPEAKER_03: I don't care what you wear in class, wear what you want.
50:40
SPEAKER_03: If you're taking my class, if you want to wear your one turner, fine.
50:43
SPEAKER_03: However, because I understand that different studios have different things, but I don't, but I do think that there is an expectation for everyone when you hit the stage.
50:52
SPEAKER_03: And that needs to be clear as if you are signing up to be a competitive dancer, there's an expectation.
50:58
SPEAKER_19: It's just interesting that again, I think I've brought this up already in this conversation, but bring it up again.
51:02
SPEAKER_19: Like, this is an exhausting conversation because we've been having it for years.
51:07
SPEAKER_19: This is not a new conversation.
51:08
SPEAKER_19: If you are a dance competition attendee or a studio that has never heard this conversation before, literally, where have you been?
51:15
SPEAKER_19: Because this is one of the biggest topics in our industry, you know, our microcosm industry of the dance competition industry.
51:21
SPEAKER_19: Dance is much bigger than just this little world we live in, obviously.
51:25
SPEAKER_19: But I think the fact that I don't know, I just think it's interesting that people are still coming to these forums to complain that the judge took off a point when this isn't new.
51:36
SPEAKER_19: And it's one point.
51:37
SPEAKER_19: It's not new.
51:38
SPEAKER_19: It's not new.
51:38
SPEAKER_19: And so part of me is like, all right, like you were saying, if if you're a studio that trains your dancers with one shoe and you choose to come to the stage with one shoe, maybe there's a world in which you, the studio owner and the studio director and all the people that are associated with your studio, just live with the half a point deduction.
51:56
SPEAKER_19: Right.
51:56
SPEAKER_19: Or you live with the fact that you're gonna hear that from most of the judges.
51:59
SPEAKER_19: Right.
51:59
SPEAKER_19: Like maybe that's just a thing that is now a thing for you that like if I'm gonna choose to do this and I'm gonna stand my ground and stand in my place of this is how I train my kids, this is what we believe it works well for us, well then just leave the other opinions out.
52:13
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
52:13
SPEAKER_19: Because you can't get mad anymore at this point.
52:16
SPEAKER_19: I think that's the thing, is that like obviously there is no rule, but if you're hearing constantly that this is a problem, right, and you're not willing to make the change to fix the problem for yourself, then I guess like my I think I think what I would do if I was in that situation would just say, you know what?
52:32
SPEAKER_19: We're not fighting about this anymore.
52:33
SPEAKER_19: We're gonna place where we place.
52:35
SPEAKER_19: I'm gonna sit in the fact that my kids are are are good or technically trained or whatever else you feel about your students and just leave it.
52:43
SPEAKER_19: Because I don't think all of the judges out there in the 300 competitions that there are per year, probably more.
52:48
SPEAKER_19: You know, I can't do math.
52:49
SPEAKER_19: There's a million competitions probably.
52:51
SPEAKER_19: Like there's more judges that think this is a problem than are judges that don't.
52:56
SPEAKER_19: So the likelihood that you're gonna come to an event and hear a comment about one shoe or possibly get a point deducted is very high.
53:03
SPEAKER_19: Right.
53:03
SPEAKER_19: It's very high.
53:04
SPEAKER_19: That is something I do not see changing in the industry.
53:07
SPEAKER_03: Agreed.
53:08
SPEAKER_19: So for me, I would just choose my battles, and that would not be a battle that I was gonna choose if if my thought was, you know what, one shoe.
53:14
SPEAKER_19: This is what we're doing, guys.
53:15
SPEAKER_19: Ignore the haters.
53:17
SPEAKER_19: I'm gonna do one shoe.
53:18
SPEAKER_03: Right.
53:18
SPEAKER_03: Then do that, boo.
53:20
SPEAKER_03: Right.
53:20
SPEAKER_03: You just can't complain about it after the fact.
53:22
SPEAKER_03: You know, like it's it's the studios that still think that it's you know, if and it and again, like you said, if you're cool with it, you just gotta know the risk that you're taking and you gotta be okay with that.
53:33
SPEAKER_03: But you cannot, you cannot complain to a competition about a judge choosing to take a a point off or a half a point or even seeing it on the critique at that point.
53:41
SPEAKER_03: Because again, we've had this, you know, this, you knew that when you walk on stage, you knew that was the risk you were willing to take.
53:47
SPEAKER_03: Right.
53:48
SPEAKER_03: Right.
53:48
SPEAKER_19: And so that's what I mean.
53:49
SPEAKER_19: I think it's hopefully this is like eye-opening that like here's some actual numbers, and again, not scientific, but like here's here are some stats about who thinks this is a problem and who doesn't.
53:59
SPEAKER_19: Right.
53:59
SPEAKER_19: And the majority of people on our end, you know, even from like we said, we wanted to include these three different groups of people for that reason to show that this isn't just this little microcosm of IDA judges.
54:10
SPEAKER_19: This is actually judges across the country that are not affiliated.
54:13
SPEAKER_19: This is dance teachers across the country that are not affiliated.
54:17
SPEAKER_19: So, you know, I don't know.
54:19
SPEAKER_19: It's a it's a problem.
54:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:20
SPEAKER_19: Fix it.
54:22
SPEAKER_03: Fix it, y'all.
54:23
SPEAKER_03: But we have more judges to hear from.
54:24
SPEAKER_03: So let's hear what they have to say because, like I mentioned, they most of them are team two shoes or no shoes, but they have some more uh reasons behind why they feel that way.
54:34
SPEAKER_03: Let's hear from our next IDA judges, and Jenny O is kicking it off.
54:39
SPEAKER_10: So there are a multitude of different reasons why I believe that it is two shoes or no shoes for me.
54:44
SPEAKER_10: First and most importantly, you cannot feel the floor evenly between both feet if you will have two different surfaces on the bottom of your feet that will create muscular imbalances and are turning.
54:55
SPEAKER_10: It also is going to advertise that you are only going to turn on one side, which tells me that you are not training balanced enough on either of your skill sets of rotations and turns.
55:04
SPEAKER_10: Next, if you ever walked into my audition with one shoe on, I would cut you.
55:08
SPEAKER_10: You wouldn't walk into a rehearsal studio or a professional fitting and only wear one shoe.
55:13
SPEAKER_10: No one in a show has ever worn one shoe.
55:16
SPEAKER_10: You wouldn't do a tap dance with one shoe on.
55:18
SPEAKER_10: You wouldn't dance in heels with one shoe on.
55:20
SPEAKER_10: So we're really just not completing the best look or training our versatility when we wear one shoe on.
55:27
SPEAKER_10: So two shoes or no shoes.
55:29
SPEAKER_05: That's it.
55:29
SPEAKER_05: Hi, this is IDA Judge Curie from Manchester, New Hampshire.
55:33
SPEAKER_05: I am a big proponent of either two shoes or no shoes for our performances, partly because we should really be using both of our sides of our body to be a complete dancer.
55:43
SPEAKER_05: We don't really want to showcase only one leg turns, and then it's all part of muscle development and being even will really help us um later on as we get older.
55:54
SPEAKER_05: And then also it can really disrupt the costume line when we're really like wearing only one shoe or you know have one on.
56:01
SPEAKER_05: It can really make it so like the line looks a little different on each side, which is really can kind of be distracting as well.
56:08
SPEAKER_05: Thanks.
56:09
SPEAKER_06: Hi everyone, Ida Judge Amanda here from Stanford, Connecticut.
56:12
SPEAKER_06: My preference is if you're gonna wear shoes, we're two of the same.
56:16
SPEAKER_06: And if you're not gonna wear two shoes, then be barefoot.
56:20
SPEAKER_06: I really feel like there's something to be said about being able to spread all ten toes on the floor, really feel like your even weight distribution, how to kind of course correct as you're moving through space, um, through different things that are maybe off balance.
56:34
SPEAKER_06: And yeah, the the barefoot for me is the way to go if you're not gonna have shoes.
56:39
SPEAKER_06: And then if you have shoes, just two of the same.
56:41
SPEAKER_06: Understand it's a personal preference.
56:43
SPEAKER_06: I also was brought up before the one shoe and sock phase.
56:48
SPEAKER_06: So maybe that's why I feel a little bit more tied to the shoes andor barefoot.
56:52
SPEAKER_06: Um, but those are my thoughts.
56:54
SPEAKER_01: Hello, this is IDA Judge Ashley Peter from New York City, and the reason I do not love it when dancers wear one shoe is I find that it hinders them from finding proper alignment and relevant that supporting leg, specifically the half sole shoe, and generally dancers are wearing the one shoe on the supporting leg that they're doing their turns and extensions on.
57:17
SPEAKER_01: And the half-sole shoe will squeeze the toes in and drawing the toes into the center line, promoting a line of sickling when we should be spreading our toes wide, pressing all of the toes into the floor, which will then engage the hamstrings and the glutes to find a full releve.
57:35
SPEAKER_01: So I find that it stops them from having a full releve.
57:38
SPEAKER_01: And then even if they aren't sickling, it starts to train the foot to shape that way.
57:44
SPEAKER_01: So it promotes that.
57:45
SPEAKER_01: And even if the dancer is totally engaged, turning out, it still with the cut and line of the shoe makes it look like they're sickling.
57:53
SPEAKER_01: And when it's only on one foot, my eye is drawn to that foot and it looks like it's sickled.
57:59
SPEAKER_01: And we don't want our feet to look sickled.
58:01
SPEAKER_03: That is not the golden dance.
58:03
SPEAKER_03: Of course not.
58:05
SPEAKER_03: But also not, I think that you know, a lot of of the one shoes, there are times it depends on how you approach it because there are some brands that or dancers have found a brand that really seamlessly matches their skin tone.
58:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, it is the point is to try to feel disguised.
58:24
SPEAKER_03: Um but there's often times where it's way lighter or darker than the dancer's skin tone and it sticks out like a sore thumb.
58:33
SPEAKER_03: It's like blinding against their skin.
58:35
SPEAKER_03: And then you only have one on.
58:36
SPEAKER_03: So then you know, even if you had two on, I probably would say something along the lines of like, is there a way we can find a different turner style that matches your skin a little bit better?
58:47
SPEAKER_03: Even if you had two.
58:48
SPEAKER_03: Because I do think that the goal, you know, we want to make sure the line isn't broken.
58:52
SPEAKER_03: So if you're it feels like you're just like chopping off your toes in like a very, you know, abrupt line when the turner doesn't even match your skin tone.
59:01
SPEAKER_19: Well, and I think it's funny that like the culprit, the shoe culprit of the two shoes, one shoe, no shoe debate is the turner.
59:08
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, it is not a jazz shoe.
59:10
SPEAKER_19: Like nobody's wearing one jazz shoe if they're wearing one shoe.
59:13
SPEAKER_19: It's a turner.
59:13
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
59:14
SPEAKER_19: And, you know, we could go on, I could go on and on about my my disdain for the turner.
59:19
SPEAKER_19: And that's part of it.
59:20
SPEAKER_19: It's like the the line is broken.
59:22
SPEAKER_19: You're already breaking your line by having half a shoe.
59:25
SPEAKER_19: Then you're breaking your line even more because it's not half of your foot now is not the right color.
59:29
SPEAKER_19: You know, and there's a million of our skin tones in this lovely world, and not all of them are going to match.
59:34
SPEAKER_19: Right.
59:34
SPEAKER_19: Any of us, any of us.
59:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
59:36
SPEAKER_19: So there it's just problematic um for that many reasons.
59:39
SPEAKER_19: Plus, I do agree, most turners, unlike I was mentioning earlier, shoes that have been changed to kind of have a more round front.
59:47
SPEAKER_19: Turners are not really like that because they have to be so tight to fit properly.
59:51
SPEAKER_19: And fun fact, turners are not dance shoes.
59:54
SPEAKER_19: Turners are modeled after rhythmic gymnastic shoes.
59:56
SPEAKER_19: Yes.
59:57
SPEAKER_19: In which, again, they have to be really tight.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_19: Like if your turner is loose, you don't want to be wearing that turner.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_19: That is actually dangerous.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_19: So turners are meant to squeeze your toes.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_19: They're meant to squeeze your metatarsals to keep the shoe on your foot because it's not a real shoe.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_19: So it Ashley's exactly right.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_19: It doesn't allow you to spread your toes.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_19: It doesn't allow you to have a really solid feel to the floor when you're in relevant.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_19: And so if all, if all you're doing is if you have a turner on your left foot constantly and no turner on your right foot constantly, yeah, those intrinsic muscles of your feet are going to develop differently.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_19: And that is sort of the problem I'm seeing, or that I'm assuming we're going to see as years go by, with younger and younger kids not wearing proper footwear or two of the proper footwear from day one.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_19: You know, little bitty kids not wearing the proper footwear all the way up to the time they're in high school.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_19: That's gonna really lead to some different alignment problems that we probably haven't seen before.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_19: You know, there might be some things that that are just new in terms of dance health and bodily alignment and things like that that we just aren't gonna have much knowledge about because it's it's a new phenomenon.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_03: No, I agree.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I can definitely tell um it I feel like the shoes actually look for stricting.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_03: You know, if they are speci they're called turners or peer wetters or whatever they're called, they actually like, you know, everyone just uses them in defense of I am wearing them to turn.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_03: That is all.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_03: So, but you're doing other stuff in your dance.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_03: You're doing so much other stuff in your dance.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_03: Like if you're doing a pique and you're standing like with the turner on, and it is not allowing you to properly releve to your highest releve or understanding how to manipulate your foot to the front two toes to give a nice wing of your fully articulated releve, then that shoe is doing more damage than good.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_03: It's actually restricting you, it's preventing you from showing your technique to its fullest.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_03: And on top of it, potentially training your foot to sickle.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_03: Because I've seen a lot of dancers take off their turners and their feet still aren't properly manipulated when they point their feet.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_03: And I don't know if it's the shoe or if it's just how they're training, because I'm assuming you're not wearing turners in ballet class.
1:02:08
SPEAKER_03: So are you understanding the proper manipulation of the ankle and training your ankles properly in ballet in your ballet shoes?
1:02:16
SPEAKER_03: Because if you do, then it should be a seamless transition into your turners and you shouldn't have any technical flaws in that.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_03: I don't want to blame the shoe, you know, if your technique is good.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_03: But I do think that sometimes it is creating those imbalances, especially wearing one.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_03: I mean, we're talking about the turner in general right now, but I do think that like the turner plus one is like a double whammy of this is this could be one of the things that we're gonna do.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_19: Well, like I said, we're not talking about a jazz shoe.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_19: When we're talking about one shoe, it is never just a ballet shoe.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_19: It is never a jazz shoe.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_19: It is a turner.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_19: Right.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_19: So, like these that's why we're bringing it up because this this is the shoe in question.
1:02:51
SPEAKER_03: Right, right, exactly.
1:02:52
SPEAKER_03: And we have a handful more judges that want to chime in and share, and they all have the exact same perspective here.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_03: So let's jump in and and you're gonna hear all of them at the same time.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_03: We're just gonna let boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, jump right on into all of these judges' perspectives.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_03: And it really comes down to professionalism.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_03: Let's hear from our first IDA judge, Jordan.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_16: Okay, so I have danced professionally now over 12 years, and what I always tell my students is at no point in my professional career have I ever needed just one shoe.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_16: I always wear two shoes or your barefoot.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_16: And so I only train my dancers, and I believe dancers should only train in shoes they are going to use professionally.
1:03:42
SPEAKER_16: So a jazz shoe, a ballet shoe, and barefoot.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_16: It doesn't need to get any more complicated than that.
1:03:48
SPEAKER_16: And I think we're making it more complicated with also the half ballet shoe, not a fan of that.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_16: The turn is like the little like toe underwear things, not a fan of those either, because you never wear those professionally.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_16: So why are we letting children wear them to learn dance?
1:04:05
SPEAKER_16: If our goal is to train them to be able to survive professionally.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Mary from Birmingham, Alabama.
1:04:12
SPEAKER_00: And my thought on two shoes versus one shoe is based in the understanding of professionalization.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_00: And if we are truly training dancers for the possibility of them going on to a professional career, then the same rules that apply to being a professional in the field should apply to every level of their training, which means that a professional dancer would never go on stage wearing one shoe unless that was a choreographer's choice.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, we go on stage with two shoes on every single time.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: We would never forecast our weakness and tell an audience in advance that we can only do one side, that we can only turn to one side.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_00: We would never provide that kind of forecasting to an audience.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_00: So why would I, as a dance teacher, train students to forecast their weakness if I would never allow that in a professional?
1:05:16
SPEAKER_00: That's my thought.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_00: And it may be controversial, but my intention is to always create audacious, financially viable careers for dancers.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_00: And that means properly preparing them for the realities of the gig that they have lying ahead.
1:05:33
SPEAKER_15: Hi, this is IDA Judge Maddie from Tampa, Florida.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_15: And I will die on the hill that dancers need to be wearing two shoes or no shoes on stage.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_15: And I totally understand that the teachers are going to come at me and tell me that the dancers need their one shoe so that they can do their acro tricks without slipping, but they can still turn.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_15: And my answer to that is that if they were doing acro tricks in a show, they still wouldn't get to wear one shoe.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_15: So it's important that we're building good habits.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_15: And it's also a really great opportunity for dancers to learn how to build up their calluses and turn barefoot, because that is something that is often expected in the professional world, especially if you are in the contemporary or concert dance world.
1:06:13
SPEAKER_15: So please wear two shoes or no shoes.
1:06:16
SPEAKER_15: I personally do take off points for this if there is a costume or appearance section in the score.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_15: So keep that in mind that some of us are deducting you when you come on stage looking unprofessional, which is just my opinion, but I do think it's unprofessional.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_03: Maddie Kurtz always coming in with the hot, the hot takes, and I'm always here for it.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be up there dead on the hill with her as well.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_03: And you know what?
1:06:38
SPEAKER_03: I need to correct myself because it's Maddie Marcatis now.
1:06:41
SPEAKER_19: Oh, that's right.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_19: Married Mary to Maddie.
1:06:43
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
1:06:44
SPEAKER_19: Yeah, but there's gonna be a little graveyard on the hill of the judges who have died on the hill.
1:06:48
unknown: Yes.
1:06:49
unknown: Yes.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_19: It's I mean, they said it all.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_19: Mary said it, Jordan said it.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_19: It's just professionalism is what we are striving for.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_19: Even in it just, I think it just does a disservice to dancers if we're not approaching their study and their training in that way.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_19: You know, I remember shout out to Julia Galasty.
1:07:08
SPEAKER_19: She was a student of my mom's for years.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_19: I think Julia's maybe 10 years younger than me.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_19: So she was a child when I was like graduating high school and going into college.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_19: I did some of her solos.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_19: And Julia, we've talked about this before.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_19: She was a child who you would have looked at as a child and even as like a middle schooler.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_19: You never ever would have expected her to go into dance professionally.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_19: She was a little bit of a hot mess.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_19: She tried really hard.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_19: She really loved it, but she was kind of all over the place.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_19: And I just neither nobody expected her to go on to professional dance.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_19: And she did.
1:07:38
SPEAKER_19: She was stunning.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_19: She worked on cruise ships.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_19: She did theme parks.
1:07:43
SPEAKER_19: She is a beautiful dancer.
1:07:46
SPEAKER_19: She went to Point Park.
1:07:47
SPEAKER_19: Like she was amazing.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_19: And had we not, at the time at our studio, been training in two shoes and giving her just the exact same training as everybody else, some of whom did go on, some of whom we expected to go on to professional careers.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_19: She got the same training.
1:08:03
SPEAKER_19: And that's like Julia's always kind of a success story that I always think of when I think of people training kids in different ways for different reasons.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_19: Sure, there's going to be your group of kids who, like, oh my gosh, they want to go on to be professionals.
1:08:15
SPEAKER_19: They have the talent, they have the ability, they have the, they have the drive.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_19: Yes, of course, we're putting our 100% heart and soul into them.
1:08:21
SPEAKER_19: But we should also be putting our 100% heart and soul and expectations into everybody else because you just never know.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_19: You never know who's going to go on to the professional world and who who would probably be really upset if they did and they looked back and they thought, well, I guess my teachers didn't care enough about me and my future to give me that professional training, you know, that professional outlook in something as small as a shoe.
1:08:46
SPEAKER_19: You know what I mean?
1:08:47
SPEAKER_19: Like with it sounds small.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_19: It sounds inconsequential.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_19: People are, you know, the rebuttals are always, well, it does it even matter.
1:08:53
SPEAKER_19: Yes, it does.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_19: It actually matters.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_03: That's why we're spending an hour and a half here talking about it.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_03: It really does matter.
1:09:00
SPEAKER_03: It's first impression, it's professionalism.
1:09:03
SPEAKER_03: It is a part of your score.
1:09:05
SPEAKER_03: Like Maddie said, there are judges that will deduct, and we talked about this too.
1:09:09
SPEAKER_03: So I think it's important for people to understand that that is the risk that you might be taking.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_03: It also, you know, like you said, it shouldn't matter if you are a recreational dancer, an intermediate level dancer, an advanced level dancer.
1:09:24
SPEAKER_03: If you are coming to competition, you are a competition dancer.
1:09:27
SPEAKER_03: I don't care what you do at your recital, you can wear whatever shoes you want at your recital.
1:09:31
SPEAKER_03: But when you're coming to a competition event going head to head against other studios, you want to try to figure out how to set yourself apart in the right ways.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_03: And by showcasing your weaknesses by wearing one shoe, I always say that it's a safety net for dancers.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_03: I always say get rid of the safety net.
1:09:51
SPEAKER_03: Because especially for me, when you get into the teen or higher levels, or especially if you're in quote unquote in the advanced level, if you're doing a contemporary routine, like Maddie mentioned, you will never wear a turner in contemporary in any any style.
1:10:07
SPEAKER_03: Like if you go take a contemporary professional masterclass, they will not want you, they do not want you to wear a turner.
1:10:14
SPEAKER_03: You're gonna be in a barefoot or sock, and that's it.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_03: Like you I think that we as teachers also need to educate our dancers to understand like what is appropriate for each genre of dance.
1:10:25
SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of people who are against turners and jazz.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_03: I don't really care if you wear a turner and jazz, but you know, I'm also really happy if I see a jazz shoe.
1:10:33
SPEAKER_03: And I'm also really happy to see bare feet, but I just don't want to see one.
1:10:37
SPEAKER_03: I think that's the point we're trying to get across, is just one is unprofessional.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_03: But you can wear different styles of shoes.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_03: Sure, yes, we're here for that.
1:10:46
SPEAKER_03: But you also need to learn how to execute certain skills, maybe bare feet, because that's just what is expected of that genre of dance.
1:10:55
SPEAKER_03: And like you also mentioned, Leslie, it's a really I'm really glad you brought up the point that turners come from the rhythmic gymnastics world because I think that a lot of people have had no idea.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_03: They are not a dance shoe.
1:11:06
SPEAKER_03: They never were.
1:11:07
SPEAKER_03: They never were.
1:11:09
SPEAKER_03: They got popular.
1:11:10
SPEAKER_03: I don't even know.
1:11:11
SPEAKER_03: Dance moms, I don't even know how these things may broke into the scene and everyone started wearing them.
1:11:17
SPEAKER_03: Were people just watching the Olympics and loved what the rhythmic gymnasts were doing and then decided, let's try this shoe.
1:11:23
SPEAKER_03: Where can I buy it?
1:11:24
SPEAKER_03: Because I mean, do you even know like when Capizio started selling these things?
1:11:29
SPEAKER_19: Uh yeah, it was it was post um or kind of during the sort of beginning of Dance Moms.
1:11:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:11:34
SPEAKER_19: Um and there was a partnership with Sophia Lucia at the time.
1:11:38
SPEAKER_19: That was that was, I believe, our first one.
1:11:40
SPEAKER_19: Um was the turning point, which was developed and made in in um in cooperation with her, I think and her mom.
1:11:47
SPEAKER_19: Because, you know, as as our listeners know, hopefully from many seasons ago, we had Sophia on and she uh broke the Guinness Burke of World Records for turns.
1:11:54
SPEAKER_19: Now she did those turns in tap shoes.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_19: But you know, she was known for a long time for her turns, and that was, you know, that was kind of born out of that uh phenomenon, I think.
1:12:04
SPEAKER_07: Wow.
1:12:05
SPEAKER_19: Um to my knowledge, I could be I could be wrong, but that's my understanding of the development of them.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_19: But yeah, again, they're just they were never intended to be a dance shoe, and they have been co-opted to do what we need in our world.
1:12:17
SPEAKER_19: Um, and you know, as we can tell, they are still a hot, a hot debate.
1:12:21
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it really is.
1:12:22
SPEAKER_19: But obviously they've definitely been um adopted, you know, well adopted across the industry.
1:12:27
SPEAKER_19: And, you know, you'd be hard pressed to find, I think, a s a kid who doesn't own a pair.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
1:12:33
SPEAKER_03: And there are studios that are fully against them and don't wear them and don't train in them, you know.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_03: I will I will say that, and I know those studios, so I want to let everybody know out there that, like, yes, while they seem like everyone, this is the standard shoe, it also isn't the standard for everyone.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_03: And that can be said about a lot of different aspects of dance and competitive dance.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_03: But let's hear from our final few IDA judges, and they kind of have the same thing that they're gonna share.
1:13:00
SPEAKER_20: Hi, this is IDA Judge Amy from Atlanta, Georgia.
1:13:04
SPEAKER_20: I am a huge two shoes or no shoes advocate.
1:13:08
SPEAKER_20: And here's the reason why.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_20: After a 35-year-long dance career, never have I ever been put on stage with just one shoe.
1:13:16
SPEAKER_20: As a working professional, no professional company, no professional production will ever set you on stage with just one shoe.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_20: Instead, let's train ourselves as dancers to dance fully barefoot, develop the proper calluses on our feet and the technique to be able to perform that way.
1:13:32
SPEAKER_20: And then when we do need to wear shoes, there should be two.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_20: So this is my opinion as Avian IDA judge from Atlanta, Georgia, and a diehard one at that.
1:13:41
SPEAKER_20: Thank you.
1:13:42
SPEAKER_18: Hi, this is IDA Judge Shelly from Philadelphia, and I truly believe in two shoes or no shoes, just because when you're on stage, you want to be as professional as possible.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_18: And you have your hair slicked, your makeup's done, you know, you have a costume.
1:13:54
SPEAKER_18: And if you ever go to a professional dance uh performance, you'll never see the dancers in just one shoe.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_18: You'll never go to a Broadway show and see a dancer in one Laduka, or you'll never go to a dance concert or anything like that and see the dancers in one shoe.
1:14:07
SPEAKER_18: So, yes, two shoes or no shoes.
1:14:09
SPEAKER_09: Hi, this is IDA Judge Debbie from Auburn, California.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_09: I'm a big supporter of either two shoes or no shoes.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_09: My train of thought is that we are training our dancers to work in the professional world.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_09: And there's never gonna be a time when they are gonna be asked to wear one shoe on stage.
1:14:26
SPEAKER_09: So it's always a good practice to wear either two shoes or no shoes now as they're training to become professionals.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_13: Hey, this is IDA Judge Ryan from New York City, and I am always a supporter of two shoes or no shoes.
1:14:42
SPEAKER_13: I will never, ever, ever support the one shoe only phenomenon that I see so often.
1:14:48
SPEAKER_13: I think for me, you just have to think about the professional translation.
1:14:53
SPEAKER_13: And I've never done a job where I've been asked to wear only one shoe.
1:14:58
SPEAKER_13: It's either bare feet or a heel, two heels, two jazz shoes, whatever you have you, two sneakers.
1:15:05
SPEAKER_13: It's never just been one.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_13: Even if it's socks, I find that you're just telling us exactly what side you prefer and which side you're going to be using the most.
1:15:17
SPEAKER_13: And so I think it just works as a disadvantage in all ways.
1:15:20
SPEAKER_13: But would love to hear more thoughts because I have a hard time seeing the other side.
1:15:28
SPEAKER_19: Oh man.
1:15:29
SPEAKER_19: Well, you know, something that I want to bring up before we wrap, because we've been talking about this forever, and I assume we will continue to talk about this forever.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_19: For sure, yeah.
1:15:38
SPEAKER_19: But so when we say when I at least say professional dance, I don't only mean Broadway.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:15:45
SPEAKER_19: I don't only mean the Rockettes or a music video.
1:15:50
SPEAKER_19: You know, professional dance is six flags over Georgia.
1:15:54
SPEAKER_19: Professional dance is bush gardens.
1:15:57
SPEAKER_19: These are not quote unquote high-level, you know, award-winning kinds of venues, but these are real places where real dancers get real jobs.
1:16:08
SPEAKER_19: And even places like that, where yeah, you're doing five shows a day in the heat outside at Busch Gardens, you're wearing two shoes.
1:16:18
SPEAKER_19: So the level of professionalism in the professional world, you know, yeah, there's Broadway and then there's Bush Gardens.
1:16:25
SPEAKER_19: But all of those levels of professionalism require a base level of professionalism, which is to wear two shoes, to do what you've been asked to do by your corporate boss, which is what all those places are.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_19: You know, the Rockettes are owned by Madison Square Garden.
1:16:41
SPEAKER_19: Like that's a corporation.
1:16:42
SPEAKER_19: That is, they're asking you to do a job and the requirements of that job say two shoes.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:16:48
SPEAKER_19: So, and so does Bush Gardens and Six Flags.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_19: And, you know, whatever theme park you might work at when you're 18 and you're gonna be doing your first job and you're gonna be so excited, and they're gonna ask you to wear two shoes.
1:16:59
SPEAKER_19: And so, you know, I think people sometimes do have this idea in their head, well, well, professional, professional.
1:17:05
SPEAKER_19: My kids aren't gonna be professionals.
1:17:06
SPEAKER_19: Well, they might be.
1:17:07
SPEAKER_19: They might go and work the summer at Bush Gardens in two shoes.
1:17:12
SPEAKER_19: And so, like, we're not only preparing your potential Broadway stars, your potential rockettes, we're training the kids who are gonna make their summer money at Busch Gardens.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_19: Those kids, you know, those kids matter too.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_19: Those kids are gonna be professionals as well.
1:17:24
SPEAKER_19: So I think that's a I just wanted to bring that up because I thought that was important.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_03: And they have to get the job first.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_03: And if you're coming to the audition unprepared and unprofessional, then you might be ruled out right away.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_03: And just like Jenny said earlier, if you show up to an audition unprepared or showcasing your weakness, or showing that you think one shoe is appropriate, you already are setting a bad first impression to the people behind the table.
1:17:53
SPEAKER_03: And the same thing can be said about dance competitions, like we've talked about.
1:17:57
SPEAKER_03: The judges are judging you.
1:17:59
SPEAKER_03: You are performing for an entire audience, but we're here to critique and score you.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_03: So if a judge doesn't like something that you chose to present because you think you need one shoe, then there's a penalty to that.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_03: There's a potential deduction to that, there's a potential uh impact to your score.
1:18:15
SPEAKER_03: And you have to understand that.
1:18:17
SPEAKER_03: And the same thing can be applied to the professional world.
1:18:19
SPEAKER_03: Whether you're going to audition for college BFA programs or you're going to audition for a theme park, it sets the first example, and we're going all the way back around to how we started, that you aren't professional, unfortunately.
1:18:32
SPEAKER_03: And as you heard from multiple IDA judges, they all talked about professionalism.
1:18:36
SPEAKER_03: And yes, these are training dancers.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_03: Yes, they are.
1:18:40
SPEAKER_03: But again, there's an expectation for competitive stage that is different from dance team stage.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_03: And that is the point that we're trying to get across here in studio dance world.
1:18:49
SPEAKER_03: Whether you are a recreational, an intermediate, advanced dancer, you are all competitive dancers at this point if you are attending a dance competition.
1:18:56
SPEAKER_03: And there is an expectation for the stage.
1:18:59
SPEAKER_03: Whether that is the same expectation for your recital, that can be different.
1:19:04
SPEAKER_03: But for a general competition, most judges, as you can see, based on this episode, are going to want two shoes or no shoes.
1:19:13
SPEAKER_19: And with that, we'll see you again next season for the same conversation again.
1:19:18
SPEAKER_03: I just want to give a huge shout out to all of the IDA judges who helped contribute to this episode and sharing their thoughts and opinions, to all of the people who voted on multiple different platforms that helped us use those stats to towards this episode discussion and talking points as well, who helped uh keep the conversation going in the comments in our Making the Impact community.
1:19:41
SPEAKER_03: We appreciate your contribution and we love having these types of conversations.
1:19:45
SPEAKER_03: That's why we're here at Making the Impact to share your thoughts, to talk about it, to show varying perspectives.
1:19:52
SPEAKER_03: And this is, like we talked about, one of the hottest topics in the industry.
1:19:55
SPEAKER_03: And hopefully we shed some light and new uh voices and views on what the judges are looking for.
1:20:02
SPEAKER_19: All right, well, I'll be on the hill, dead.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_03: So I'll see you there.
1:20:09
SPEAKER_03: We hope you enjoyed our latest episode, all about two shoes, no shoes, or one shoe in the competitive dance world.
1:20:16
SPEAKER_03: Huge shout-out to all of the IBA judges who helped contribute to this episode, as well as members of our Making the Impact podcast community for contributing to our poll.
1:20:25
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1:22:12
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1:22:14
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