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The Shooting In Maine, ATF In Trouble With The Law, and An Unconstitutional Order · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Five minutes past the hour. It's Friday on the Morning Show with Preston Scott
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  Show five thirty six. Good morning, I'm Preston. That's Grant Allen.
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  Great to be with you on the Friday, October twenty seventh edition of the
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  program, and I'm thrilled as always to have back with us. Lee Williams,
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  aka the gun Writer. His work can be found at the Gunwriter dot
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  substack dot com. It's as simple as that, and you will get information
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  that is really helpful, some great reporting, some great writing, and some
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  really heady opinion stuff. Lee, good morning, welcome back. How are
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  you. Thanks, appreciate the inviting and it is good to be bad Lee.
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  Obviously a tragedy. I can't help but notice it was, you know,
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  pretty obvious after some thought that what happened in Maine again and gun free
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  zones. Maine has pretty good gun laws in terms of open carrying all that,
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  But it seems pretty intentional that this guy went to places where they're serving
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  alcohol and ergo, you're not supposed to have a firearm, right, Yeah,
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  that seems to be part of his plan. The thing that concerns me
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  most about him is that scope on his rifle is thermal preston, so he
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  has night fighting capabilities, probably better than law enforcement. It's a huge concern.
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  What about the I mean, they're calling it red flags, the mental
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  health issues on this one. Should the guy have had firearms? And I
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  look, you and I both know if he wanted to commit the crime,
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  it wouldn't matter if he turned in or had his guns confiscated or not.
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  Yeah, I see that as kind of a misnomer. You know, if
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  they red flagg him or yellow flag them, which they do in Maine,
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  right, he would have gotten his gun somewhere else. Ciminal and you can't
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  legislate away evil. This guy was probably had these guns for years before he
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  suffered obvious type of breakdown. This then points me to you know, I
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  said that yesterday on the air that now I don't frequent bars. It's not
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  the type of place that I go with my wife. But that said,
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  if I were in a place like that, I would be carrying. It
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  doesn't matter what it says, because I'll take my chances defending my life and
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  that of my family or friends, and I'll deal with the consequences if somebody
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  walks in and starts shooting yeah, we have. We're challenging one of the
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  laws here in Florida that prevents you from carrying in a tavern a place that
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  does not sell food because of brew And you have to look at the historical
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  context of the law and you can't find any founding era statute that prevented guys
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  from carrying a firearm into a bar or from having intoxicating liquor in the firearm.
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  So that law in Florida is going to be challenged. I'm totally with
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  you. I carry everywhere I go, regardless of some sign that may or
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  may not be on the building. Yeah, and that's I think. You
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  know, we do a personal defense segment twice a month here on the program
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  with guys that run arranged law enforcement for their careers, and we talk about
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  situational awareness all the time, and it just breaks my heart that in these
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  two locations there was nobody prepared to try to stop it. No, and
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  that is so sad. I mean, you have to be situationally where you
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  have to be switched on and you have to carry. I mean, don't
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  leave your home, don't leave your kate without your club. One of my
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  buddies always says, yeah, some law or some sign on a building should
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  not put you in a position where you are defenseless as these people were at
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  It still bugs the hell out of you watching that. You know they had
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  no defense other than to run. What is you that? Yeah? What
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  is your inclination on how this ends? Is this guy gonna die by cop?
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  Is he going to die by self? Or is he going to be
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  caught alive? They're going to kill him. They sent in the four tech
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  unit from Customs and Border Protection. These are the guys that got the guy
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  in PA who escaped, and these are the guys that actually went into the
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  school in Umbalde and took out the bad guy after he'd been in there for
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  more than an hour. It's a pretty good at pretty elite unit, and
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  they specialize in hunting guys in the bush, and we know that's where this
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  guy is. Unfortunately, that thermal is going to give him the upper hand.
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  You are listening to the M A D Radio Network. You're challenged to
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  make a difference each and every day. Good morning, and welcome to the
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  Morning Show with Preston Scott. Eleven minutes past subscribe you will get great art
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  can support the work of Lee Williams, who is our guest this morning.
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  Lee explain to our listeners, just give us just the short version of the
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  backstory. Who's Russell Fincher and how is it that a guy named JJ Humphrey
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  is now involved. Russell Fincher lives in a small town in Oklahoma. He's
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  a full time high school teacher, a full time Baptist minister, and a
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  part time gun salesman. Atf rated his home in June and they sent us
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  twelve man swat tea put him in cuffs in front of his thirteen year old
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  kid, even though he fully complied with everything the agents wanted, yelled and
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  screamed until he quote unquote voluntarily rescinded his federal firearms license. Then they cut
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  off his cameras. They took fifty of his guns and they still have him.
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  Then they later they offered him ten dollars per gun. They're about sixty
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  thousand dollars worth of guns. They denied him any kind of due process or
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  anything, violated multiple civil rights. Well, he's got a very good lawmaker
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  who oversees that district. Oklahoma State Rep. JJ Humphrey, and JJ is
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  one of those guys who never shuts off. He's a great man. He's
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  going to see that these ATF agents are charged with multiple state crimes as well
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  as civil rights violations. He's prepared and probable cause affidavit. He's pushing for
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  a grand jury to investigate ATF. What has to happen for a grand jury
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  to be convened in the state of Oklahoma and for this to have some legs,
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  well, pretty much, JJ has to happen. He's already gone for
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  the Attorney General. The Attorney General tried to pass it over to the US
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  Attorney General, and JJ's got a gaggle of other lawmakers who are going to
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  tell the AG now, we want this to be a state grand jury.
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  We don't want the FEDS investigating the FEDS. This is going to be a
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  There are all state crimes, and I see this being a very bad day
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  for ATF. I spoke to the agent briefly who was in charge of the
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  raid and asked him what he thought about the likelihood he could be charged with
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  crimes, and he immediately ended the interview. Really as he hung up the
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  phone, this is the end. Of the interview, he said, and
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  it went click. But yeah, they're looking at extortion, obtaining the signature
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  by extortion, extortion under the color of official right, making, terroristic threats,
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  hampering or disabling security or surveillance camera. And he's going to add theft
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  felony, theft for all the guns they took. I think inside your story
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  on the update, you mentioned something that special Agent Theodore Mongol or Mongel told
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  Fincher during the raid, tell all your FFL buddies were coming for them.
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  Yeah, that's a pretty terroristic threat and that's a felony in Oklahoma. I
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  think you really going to regret running his mouth. JJ is not going to
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  shut off. He comes across this kind of country, but he's been a
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  cop there for thirty years and a rancher and he's worked in the doc The
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  Hell of a Lawmaker. Read his complaint we have we have a link to
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  it in the story. He wrote a great problem cause affidavit. I think
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  this is going to be a real bad day for ATF And you know it's
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  about time. And oh, by the way, State Representative Justin J.
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  J. Humphrey wear's a cowboy hat while presiding in office. Thank you very
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  much, and a bolo give us just a short version the broad picture.
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  The ATF is basically doing this systematically across the country. They are they're doing
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  it like it's cool. They have increased the FFL revocations by five since before
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  Joe Biden got into office. And there later today, I'm talking to a
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  dealer in South Carolina who is just shut down thirty years of selling guns for
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  clerical reasons. They went back eight years and his paperwork and he found some
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  clerical issues. I mean I's and Te's not Bottigan Cross, and they worced
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  him out of business. So it's happening every day. Joe Biden believes no
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  gun dealers, no guns. So that's they've gone to war against the gun
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  dealers. And thereby uh WSLA on your phone with the iHeart radio app and
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  on hundreds of devices like Alexa, Google Home, Xbox and Sonos. Hey,
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  so here we go and Iheart's radio station. Here's the headline, judge,
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  you have a choice, your husband or your guns. No, I'm
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  not making that up. Story Lee Williams, the gun writer, has covered
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  Lee. What's the story. That's amazing. I still people wouldn't believe it.
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  At first, you have a gentleman sixty year old guy fell off at
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  dot truck years ago, got addicted to pain pills. You know, Florida
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  cracked down on prescription painkillers made it more difficult to get so he went to
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  some street drugs. Last in twenty twenty two, he had a crisis,
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  put a couple of rounds in his neighbor's house, shot their blue Mercury montigo,
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  which I'm not is even a crime. Police were called, they arrested
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  him, and he went through the legal process. They realized prosecutors realized he
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  had an addiction. Okay, so they sentenced him to ten years of probation,
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  but that could be cut in half if you'd go through treatment, attend
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  AA or NA because they found cocaine in the system. Then the judge in
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  open court tells him, you can't have any guns in your home whatsoever.
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  And his wife was sitting next to him, and she made kind of a
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  face like, what are you talking about? Because she has she has firearms,
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  and she has a Florida Concealed Weapon or of firearm license and she wants
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  to continue caring for her safety. So the judge called her up, swore
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  her in Okay, swore her in she's not a defendant in the case whatsoever,
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  and told and just, I mean literally told her you have a choice.
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  You have your fire you can have your firearms or your husband. And
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  if she hadn't agreed to it, her husband wouldn't have walked out of that
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  courtroom. He would have gone to prison. Uh So I raised holy hell
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  about this, and the judge actually sent a statement, you know, said
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  confirming what he said that uh he she cannot have guns in her home.
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  I mean, clearly violated her Second Amendment rights. She's scared to go pick
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  him up brother. She doesn't want her husband and to go to jail.
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  This is circuit Judge Shannon McPhee, And I got to tell you, I've
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  never seen such an agree just act from anybody wearing the black robe on the
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  bench. I mean, yeah, he's a convicted fellow. But there are
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  ways around this this happens. You can have their son bottom is safe with
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  one key, not a combination lock. One key that she could maintain,
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  she could retain and that would satisfy Florida law. What what are the options
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  available to her to get this overturned? Well, she's hooked up with an
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  attorney, and the attorney's going to have to go into the courtroom and have
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  a hearing on this and tell the judge, look, you're basically violating this
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  woman's civil rights. You have violated her Second Amendment rights and probably her fifth
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  too, so that way she can pick up the guns. There's a couple
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  of guns there too that are very highly collectible on an early cold nineteen eleven.
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  But more importantly, her guns are there, and their son's guns are
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  there. He's a Navy veteran who never did anything wrong, wasn't even home
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  with this when this happened. So yeah, this, Shannon McPhee, Judge
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  Shammer McFee is nuts. I've never seen anything like this in an open court.
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  I expected him to deny it. I never said that, but no,
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  he doubled down on it, actually doubled down on it. Yeah.
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  I mean, he can't say he didn't say it because it's it's recorded by
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  the court reporter, right. But I'm curious. You know, we hear
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  the term judicial temperament. You know, as a judge you can't react,
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  and it sounds like this guy just snapped and reacted, thought about it,
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  and then said Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Well, you know,
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  you hear about these activist judges. This is way beyond that. This
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  is him stripping this poor woman of her Second Amendment rights in an open courtroom
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  and not caring at all about what he did. So, I you know,
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  I hope the people down there keep us in mind in South Florida when
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  this judge is up for retention. I this is clearly an unconstitutional order.
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  Does this I guess the process is he gets a chance to say, all
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  right, yeah, you're right, I made a mistake and reverse his ruling,
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  or this heads to the appellate level in the state, doesn't it.
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  Yeah. You know, I'm on the board of Florida Carry so we've got
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  one of our general counsel, Eric Friday, he's looking into this. He's
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  one of the best Second Amendment slash gun rates attorneys in the state and he
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  specializes in the firearm law. I mean, he said the judge went too
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  far. It's just a matter of getting this quick because every second those guns
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  spend in the sheriff's office custody, you know, they could be lost or
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  stolen or damaged. Let's put it that way. Yeah, no, kidding
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  all right, Lee, as always, thank you very much for your time
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  and because of the holidays, we'll be off November December. We'll be back
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  in January. Thank you, sir, see you then, thank you all
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  right, Lee Williams and again it's the gun Writer dot substat dot com.
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