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Sharri | 11 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, and don't worry, Andrew, I'll forgive you well.
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Speaker 2: Tonight on the show, Donald Trump makes alban easy beg
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Speaker 2: over tariffs while threatening to unleash hell on hermus I'll
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Speaker 2: get reaction from Brunwyn Bishop Holly Hughes and Julian Lisa
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Speaker 2: Shortly AA Butcho's takes the stand in the Antoinette Latouf trial,
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis will share all the details
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Speaker 2: Our politicians have been behind the eight ball, so we
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Speaker 2: want to hear from you about how you think we
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Speaker 2: should fix this crisis. I'll tell you how to get
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Speaker 2: those ideas to us a bit later, but first tonight,
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Speaker 2: Albanezi and Pettiwong's criticisms of Donald Trump come back to
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Speaker 2: bite them as they try to seek favors for Australia.
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Speaker 2: The biggest test yet of the Albanese government will be
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Speaker 2: whether the Prime Minister can negotiate with Trump to give
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Speaker 2: Australia an exemption from his teal and aluminium tariffs. Now,
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Speaker 2: our prime minister is not known for either his charm
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Speaker 2: or his powers of persuasion. In fact, he's seen as
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Speaker 2: a weak prime minister who can't get anything done. And
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Speaker 2: he had forty minutes forty to convince Trump not to
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Speaker 2: slap tariffs on Australia, with precedent already set during Trump's
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Speaker 2: last administration. But even after a forty minute call, Trump
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Speaker 2: then publicly declared to the world that the tariffs would apply.
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Speaker 3: To all countries with no exceptions.
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Speaker 4: Acting our steel an aluminum industries as a must. And
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Speaker 4: today I am simplifying our tariffs and steal and aluminum
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Speaker 4: so that everyone can understand exactly what it means. It's
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Speaker 4: twenty five percent, without exceptions or exemptions, and that's all countries,
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Speaker 4: no matter where it comes from, all countries.
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Speaker 2: Asked specifically about Australia, Donald Trump was polite and said
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Speaker 2: Albanezi was a very fine man, and he did concede
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Speaker 2: that Australia has a trade surplus with the US.
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Speaker 3: He said he'd consider an exemption.
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Speaker 4: I just spoke to him, very fine man. We actually
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Speaker 4: have a surplus. It's one of the only countries which
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Speaker 4: we do. And I told him that that's something that
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Speaker 4: we will give great consideration.
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Speaker 3: It's encouraging.
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Speaker 2: But Trump made no commitment to a tariff exemption for Australia.
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Speaker 2: That was an exemption that Turnbull was able to negotiate
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Speaker 2: when he was Prime Minister. Scott Morrison, his PM, also
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Speaker 2: negotiated an exemption. While Morrison and Trump get along famously,
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Speaker 2: as James Patterson said here last night, Turnbull was hardly
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Speaker 2: an ideological acolyte of Trump's.
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Speaker 5: Well, you wouldn't necessarily think that Malcolm Turnbull and President
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Speaker 5: Trump were simpatico in personality types. You can imagine they
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Speaker 5: would have different world views on many issues. But Malcolm
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Speaker 5: Turnbull put the national interests first. He bet a pathway
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Speaker 5: to President Trump's door. He very assertively stood up for
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Speaker 5: Australia's interest and he persuaded President Trump.
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Speaker 2: And you have to compare Trump's lukewarm attitude to Australia
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Speaker 2: to how he rolled out the red carpet for Israeli
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Benjamin nettan Yahoo. We can plainly see that
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Speaker 2: Trump isn't treating Australia anywhere nearly as warmly as he
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Speaker 2: is other clearly better allies like Israel, and we know why.
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Speaker 3: Policy and personality.
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Speaker 2: On the policy front, there's already been a rift between America.
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Speaker 3: And Australia under the Biden administration.
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Speaker 2: America was deeply unhappy with Australia's voting record on Israel
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Speaker 2: at the United Nations. The Biden administration was also unhappy
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Speaker 2: with how Albanesi was cozying up to China. These are
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Speaker 2: things that Albanzi knew but chose to forge your head
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Speaker 2: with anyway, and now they could come back to haunt him.
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Speaker 3: It seems he was not.
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Speaker 2: So worried about not upsetting Chinese dictator Jijingping, and now
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Speaker 2: he's put the Australian US alliance at risk, and this
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Speaker 2: means hurting Australian businesses.
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Speaker 3: And the economy, and that's the reality of the matter.
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Speaker 3: Then there's personality.
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Speaker 2: Trump would be well aware of Albanesi and Kevin Rudd's
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Speaker 2: comments about him in the past. As you know, Kevin
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Speaker 2: Rudd called him a village idiot, while Albanesi mocked Trump.
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Speaker 6: The United States in the last four years has been
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Speaker 6: run by a village idiots. People have seen China continued
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Speaker 6: continuing to be competent international state craft and the United
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Speaker 6: States increasingly incompetent and international state craft under Trump.
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Speaker 7: A skates academy. And I think it's of some concern
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Speaker 7: that the leader of the free world thinks that you
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Speaker 7: can conduct politics through one hundred and forty characters on Twitter.
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Speaker 2: And Albanizi was a senior shadow minister when he made
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Speaker 2: those comments in twenty seventeen. But even in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 2: Petty Wong accused Donald Trump of trashic foreign alliances.
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Speaker 8: You know, we've seen somebody, a leader of previous in
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Speaker 8: recent times who was prepared to trash alliances and partnerships
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Speaker 8: for personal political interest in his name was Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: None of this is wise or diplomatic. From the figures
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Speaker 2: who are now the most senior ministers of the Albanesi government,
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Speaker 2: it makes you seriously question their political judgment. Now, the
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Speaker 2: tariffs begin on March the fourth, so Albanezi has around
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Speaker 2: three weeks to convince the president that he should treat
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Speaker 2: Australia like his closest ally. But if it doesn't go
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Speaker 2: Australia's way, then the entire country. All the businesses will
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Speaker 2: pay Albanese's lack.
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Speaker 3: Of judgment and leadership.
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Speaker 2: Now, Trump has threatened to end the Gaza cease fire
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Speaker 2: and unleash hell if all the hostages aren't back by
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Speaker 2: noon on Saturday. His comments came after HAMAS said its
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Speaker 2: handover of hostages this weekend will be postponed until further notice.
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Speaker 2: These are cruel games that HAMAS has now been playing
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Speaker 2: for sixty months.
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Speaker 3: And it was able to get away with.
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Speaker 2: Playing these cruel games under the Buyner administration, but not anymore.
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Speaker 2: Trump is one of the only world leaders showing genuine
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Speaker 2: strength and leadership, particularly when it comes to terrorism, and
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Speaker 2: he said, if all the hostages aren't back by the weekend,
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Speaker 2: they'll be held to pay.
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Speaker 4: Saturday at twelve o'clock, I think it's an appropriate time.
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Speaker 4: I would say cancel it and all bets are off
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Speaker 4: and let hell break out.
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Speaker 2: And once again, Trump spoke about the hostages who were
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Speaker 2: released on the weekend, who were emaciated and they look
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Speaker 2: like concentration camp survivors. He said he was worried how
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Speaker 2: long the other hostages still held captive would be able
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Speaker 2: to stay alive.
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Speaker 4: It looked like something out of the nineteen thirties. It's
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Speaker 4: an absolutely disgrace. What you see is probably the best
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Speaker 4: because they want to send people that look at least healthy,
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Speaker 4: and that's not healthy. These people have been badly heard
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Speaker 4: mentally and physically, and I think Amas is looking at
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Speaker 4: that and say, well, it's not going to get much
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Speaker 4: better than that, because they're probably sending out their best
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Speaker 4: as a representative, and I.
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Speaker 3: Agree with his comments.
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Speaker 2: It is a serious concern that the remaining hostages who
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Speaker 2: are alive warn't stay alive for a long time, given
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Speaker 2: Hamas has been starving and torturing them. The international community
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Speaker 2: should be worried about this, but no statement from the
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Speaker 2: United Nations today, despite the fact that innocent lives hang
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Speaker 2: in the balance. Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharan Haskell
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Speaker 2: demanded the international community step up.
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Speaker 9: The pressure of the international community and humanitarian efforts need
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Speaker 9: to be ramped up on Hamas so they release the
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Speaker 9: rest of the hostages right now.
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Speaker 2: If only the international community cared. There are still seventy
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Speaker 2: three hostages remaining in Gaza, although not all are alive.
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Speaker 2: Hamasa's military wing has blamed Israel for violating the terms
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Speaker 2: of the ceasefire when it did say that it wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be releasing any more hostages this week, but of course
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Speaker 2: that was a nonsense excuse. The Times of Israel reports
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Speaker 2: that Hamas claimed Israel wasn't allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza,
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Speaker 2: but that it was not immediately clear what Hamas was
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Speaker 2: referring to in its comments about humanitarian aid, which has
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Speaker 2: been entering this strip in great quantities now.
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Speaker 3: In reality, like Donald Trump's.
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Speaker 2: Suspects, it's likely that it's because the hostages are in
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Speaker 2: such weak, poor condition and Hermas is too embarrassed to
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Speaker 2: release them. And that's saying something because Hermas wasn't too
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Speaker 2: embarrassed to slaughter babies in their.
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Speaker 3: Clots on October seven. Now we know there have been
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Speaker 3: reports that.
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Speaker 2: Hamas was trying to fatten up Eli or Hard and
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Speaker 2: Awe before their release last weekend. They were suddenly trying
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Speaker 2: to feed them after extreme starvation for sixteen months. Former
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Speaker 2: labor and p Michael Danby agrees that this is most
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Speaker 2: likely why Harmas doesn't want to release any more hostages,
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Speaker 2: And here he was making what I found to be
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Speaker 2: such a heartbreaking point on Chris Kenny earlier.
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Speaker 10: The reason her Musk canceled the ceasefire in the last
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Speaker 10: few hours. Chris is because they're afraid of the reaction
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Speaker 10: of the rest of the world when they send the
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Speaker 10: rest of the hostages back in boxes, particularly coffins, with
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Speaker 10: those two little children and their mother in it.
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Speaker 2: And that is such a horrible and tragic thought. It
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Speaker 2: is the moment we've all been dreading that we know
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Speaker 2: is coming. In recent weeks, we've been able to get
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Speaker 2: a good look at these bloodthirsty terrorists. These monsters have
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Speaker 2: been hiding like cockroaches in the web of tunnels underneath Gaza.
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Speaker 3: There's such cowards that they.
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Speaker 2: Don't show their face and they've only emerged in public
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Speaker 2: now that there's a ceasefire. Instead, they've preferred in the
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Speaker 2: past to put innocent civilians in harm's way. It's all
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Speaker 2: part of their deliberate military strategy to have Palestinians killed
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Speaker 2: so that the international community turns against Israel in outrage.
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Speaker 3: But that strategy isn't going to wash with Trump.
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Speaker 2: If the terror group does not release the remaining hostages,
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Speaker 2: all of them, Trump said, and this includes the Bibas
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Speaker 2: children by midday on Saturday, then the President says they'll
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Speaker 2: be hell to pay now. Hamas should have been made
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Speaker 2: to pay hell for what they've done a long time ago,
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Speaker 2: instead of being molly coddled by the international community. But
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Speaker 2: finally Hermas is now on notice and it's not a
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Speaker 2: moment too soon.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's bring it now.
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Speaker 2: Former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop and Liberal Senator
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Speaker 2: Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both, Bronwin.
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Speaker 2: I want to start with the trades and then we'll
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Speaker 2: get to Trump's threaten the hostages. But clearly the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister is under immense pressure to achieve an exemption from
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He has already signed that executive order today,
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Speaker 2: so it's not looking promising.
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Speaker 11: Look, Alban Easy is literally a boy on a man's errand,
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Speaker 11: and he's so out of his steps. It just doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: The fact of the matter is.
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Speaker 11: That the whole background of his personal background and that
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Speaker 11: of Kevin Wood puts them behind to start with. But
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Speaker 11: to come out afterwards and imply, oh, we had such
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Speaker 11: a nice chat, We've done a deal. He's just so
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Speaker 11: stupid when it's not true. So he's made the situation
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Speaker 11: worse with that statement that it would have been otherwise.
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Speaker 11: He doesn't even know how to finesse. He's got no idea.
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Speaker 11: It's an embarrassment to see this man as Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: of our nation on the international stage. So it's a
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Speaker 11: long way to go before we find out whether or
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Speaker 11: not there will be any exemptions given for us. And
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Speaker 11: the first thing that the government could do is bringing
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Speaker 11: some relief with regard to energy policy, so that the
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Speaker 11: people who are making the aluminium, for instance, can have
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Speaker 11: a lessening and cost so that they can be cost
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Speaker 11: competitive with a tariff. It starts to think things that
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Speaker 11: are within his control, not making up what somebody else
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Speaker 11: is going to do.
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Speaker 3: Holly.
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Speaker 2: The reality is if there are tariffs on the aluminium
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Speaker 2: and steel industry, many people will be thinking, well, you know,
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Speaker 2: perhaps have alban easy. Penny Wang and Kevin Wright hadn't
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Speaker 2: been so hostile in past comments towards President Trump, there
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Speaker 2: might have been a different outcome.
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Speaker 3: Well, but it's.
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Speaker 12: Also come out this afternoon Shari that President Trump has
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Speaker 12: claimed that Australia had broken its verbal promise when it
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Speaker 12: came to aluminium into the United States. And for anyone
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Speaker 12: I think who doesn't just blindly believe what mister Albineazy
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Speaker 12: said that basically a deal was done. It's certainly a
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Speaker 12: worrying sign that President Trump is reconsidering or was perhaps
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Speaker 12: not as seriously considering, exempting Australia from these tariffs. I
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Speaker 12: do think it's important that you know it's we can
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Speaker 12: be part of it, and we're coming into an election
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Speaker 12: and there'll be plenty of that. But the reality is
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Speaker 12: when it comes to these sorts of issues, we do
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Speaker 12: need to have a little bit of Team Australia to
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Speaker 12: make sure that our manufacturers are being supported. As Peter
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Speaker 12: Dutner said, not only is the US an important trading partner,
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Speaker 12: they're an important ally We've had a very long standing
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Speaker 12: relationship with them, but that we also support free trade
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Speaker 12: and want to ensure that we're supporting local manufacturers. With
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Speaker 12: an interesting suggestion there, Bromwin, you know, the aluminium smelter
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Speaker 12: in Tomago requires such huge amounts of energy and quite
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Speaker 12: often they're called upon to sort of slow down production
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Speaker 12: or to come offline for a little bit because obviously
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Speaker 12: they can't go offline permanently, you can't restart them, but
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Speaker 12: to shed the power so that Sydney can keep the
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Speaker 12: lights on. So I think you're right Bromwin, if we
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Speaker 12: are going to do anything when it comes to particularly
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Speaker 12: the aluminium smelters, that we do have a look at
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Speaker 12: some energy relief for them in a bid to keep
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Speaker 12: them float until these matters are resolved.
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Speaker 2: I think you can't escape the fact that both Malcolm
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Speaker 2: Turnbull and Scott Morrison were able to achieve these exemptions.
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Speaker 2: So if alban Ezy can't, there'll be a lot of
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Speaker 2: questions for him to answer.
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Speaker 3: About why that's the case.
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Speaker 10: All right.
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Speaker 2: A former Labor politician has weighed in on the latest
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Speaker 2: Downing Pole figures. We spoke about those figures on the
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Speaker 2: show last night. They show that the Albanzi government is
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Speaker 2: hemorrhaging voters in outer suburban areas. The former Fowler MP
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Speaker 2: Chris Hayes told The Daily Telegraph that if those stats hold,
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Speaker 2: it'd be a serious worry for the Labor Party at
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Speaker 2: the next election. Bronwin, I mean, in large part Labor
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Speaker 2: did win the last election because they were able to
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Speaker 2: win some of those outer suburban seats. They need those
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Speaker 2: seats to hold power, but those seats are where regular
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Speaker 2: mainstream Australians are and they're not buying the Albanezi government's agenda.
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Speaker 11: Look, Chris Hayes was a thoroughly decent, old fashioned labor
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Speaker 11: member who looked after his electors. I used to deal
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Speaker 11: with him quite often, and I found that he was
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Speaker 11: the sort of person you could have a good regard for.
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Speaker 11: And what he's describing as his own disillusionment with what
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Speaker 11: has happened in that part of Sydney now. When I
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Speaker 11: was Party president back in nineteen eighty five, I set
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Speaker 11: my office up in Paramatta because I knew we had
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Speaker 11: to go into the west of Sydney where aspirations were
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Speaker 11: alive and well, because that's where future leaders were going
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Speaker 11: to come from. When I became a senator, I put
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Speaker 11: my office in Paramatta and served there. I regarded the
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Speaker 11: million people then that were surrounding me as my personal
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Speaker 11: electors electorate, and I treated it like it was an electorate.
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Speaker 2: It's a good temperature check in that lie acturate for
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Speaker 2: what just regular issue.
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Speaker 11: Yes, And the important thing was for Nick Griner to
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Speaker 11: get the lapslide he got. He had to win seats
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Speaker 11: in Western Sydney and we did so. This has been
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Speaker 11: a long term process, but there is a realization now,
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Speaker 11: I think by more and more Australians who may have
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Speaker 11: had a soft spot for the old Labor Party, that
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Speaker 11: they have well and truly abandoned them, and that the
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Speaker 11: way ahead is through the Liberal Party, which believes in
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Speaker 11: the individual, their opportunity to use their own talents and
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Speaker 11: to get ahead without the burden of government crushing them
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Speaker 11: or regularly red and green tape. They're the sorts of
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Speaker 11: things that they respond to because they want for their kids,
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Speaker 11: they want for their standard of living. These are good
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Speaker 11: Australians and they deserve much better and Peter Dutton is
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Speaker 11: offering that to them.
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Speaker 2: Holly, if Peter Dutton is able to find the path
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Speaker 2: to victory at the next election, it will be through
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Speaker 2: outer suburban seats, but also through Victoria, which has been
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Speaker 2: such a difficult state for the Coalition in the past.
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Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, And I think what we saw in Victoria
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Speaker 12: on the weekend such an enormous shift away from the
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Speaker 12: Labor Party. I haven't heard very many people, if any,
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Speaker 12: mention that the seat in wherever it was actually the
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Speaker 12: former Treasurer's seat, it was considered as safe as houses
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Speaker 12: that seat and the fact that it's come down to
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Speaker 12: a couple of one hundred votes is an enormous swing
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Speaker 12: away from the Labor Party in their heartland. The red
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Speaker 12: brick wall is very very quickly crumbling around Victoria. That
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Speaker 12: is in part to the terrible Andrews Allen government and
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Speaker 12: what they have done in just decimating Victoria. It's absolutely
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Speaker 12: devastating when you look at what these this government has
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Speaker 12: done to that state. But voters acros the board, I
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Speaker 12: think they're generally feeling a little bit gas lit by
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Speaker 12: this Prime Minister and listening to the Labor members because
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Speaker 12: when you listen to their talking points that they sprout
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Speaker 12: and I hear them when they come on Sky News.
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Speaker 12: We've done cheaper childcare, we've done free tafe, and you
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Speaker 12: know this renewable energy that's going to be so cheap
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Speaker 12: and free for everybody, and all this ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: Rubbish they're going on with.
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Speaker 12: But every day Australians know when they go to the
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Speaker 12: grocery store, it costs more. When they try to pay
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Speaker 12: their rank, call their mortgage, it costs more. Their energy
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Speaker 12: costs more. When people are putting their kids into childcare
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Speaker 12: and they're being told we've delivered cheaper childcare, but they're
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Speaker 12: paying more every week to put their kids in childcare.
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Speaker 12: It's gas lighting by the government of the Australian electorate
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Speaker 12: and I think they're starting to see through it.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. That is the crux of the matter. Now, just
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Speaker 2: before we go, let'speak about this story. There's about eighteen
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Speaker 2: Coalition senators who are reportedly backing Pauline Hanson's motion for
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Speaker 2: an inquired into medical treatment for transgender children and also
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Speaker 2: a ban on gender related medical interventions for children under eighteen. Now, Ron,
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Speaker 2: when Peter Dutton wandered his party room to stick to
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Speaker 2: the cost of living agenda, what do you think about
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Speaker 2: having these sort of issues feature in the federal election campaign.
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Speaker 3: Of course they'll feature.
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Speaker 11: I mean the culture walls are part of the debate
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Speaker 11: and that vote with regard to Pauline Hanson's motion, I
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Speaker 11: was so proud of the women like Michaulia Cash, Good Strong,
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Speaker 11: Hey me too, Bromween Harley was there, Holly did it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting We're getting to you, Holly.
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Speaker 11: But the point was that we had three copouts. Now,
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Speaker 11: mister Bragg or Senator Bragg, he was against the he
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Speaker 11: was a year's vote for the voice. Senator Maria whatever
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Speaker 11: her name is, she was a blow in as a
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Speaker 11: President and a blow in as a senator. So there's
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Speaker 11: not the commitment there that we see from other people.
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Speaker 11: So this issue is not going to go away. And
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Speaker 11: Donald Trump saying there are two genders, yes, and that
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Speaker 11: women are entitled not to have men bashing them up
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Speaker 11: in their sport.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, is John Away. He's excellent, Holly. What's your
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Speaker 3: view on Pauline Hansen's motion?
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Speaker 12: Well, for a start from and welcome to your new
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Speaker 12: South Wales Senate team.
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Speaker 3: And I was the only one sitting over there.
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Speaker 12: Supporting this motion and I won't be there for much longer.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to hear that.
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Speaker 10: Really.
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Speaker 3: Well, see how that goes.
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Speaker 12: But look, that motion from Pauline has been up a
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Speaker 12: number of times. It has been consistently voted down. It
22:41
Speaker 12: was originally put up under Senator Birmingham's leadership is later
22:45
Speaker 12: of the House for the oth the Senate for the
22:47
Speaker 12: opposition that it was a conscience vote. Now I find
22:52
Speaker 12: procedural matters as conscience votes a bit odd, but that
22:56
Speaker 12: was the procedure that was continued with when we went
22:59
Speaker 12: into this vote.
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Speaker 3: It was a conscience vote.
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Speaker 12: I know there is another inquiry ongoing and that's fine,
23:05
Speaker 12: but Senator Hanson had put this up before. I had
23:08
Speaker 12: supported previously and I intend to continue to support it.
23:11
Speaker 12: I think it's a far too important issue. I don't
23:15
Speaker 12: think it so is just you know, as was you know,
23:18
Speaker 12: let's be honest here briefed out, leaked out against colleagues
23:23
Speaker 12: that supported Senator Hansen. That was very much the tone
23:27
Speaker 12: and the fact that was in the Sydney Morning Herald,
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Speaker 12: I think tells you.
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Speaker 3: All you need to know.
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Speaker 12: But you know, we can walk and true gum at
23:35
Speaker 12: the same time, and I'm sorry if some on the
23:37
Speaker 12: left can't. But we can absolutely recognize and appreciate that
23:42
Speaker 12: Australians are facing a cost of living pressure. But we
23:44
Speaker 12: also know that they don't want to be in a
23:46
Speaker 12: situation where their twelve year old can go and get
23:50
Speaker 12: access puberty blockers without parental consent.
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Speaker 3: So we want to make.
23:53
Speaker 12: Sure that these sorts of issues are being looked at.
23:56
Speaker 12: And it is an issue that a lot of Australians
23:59
Speaker 12: find important. You know, not every issue we debate is
24:02
Speaker 12: the first and top issue for every Australian, but for
24:05
Speaker 12: some people this is a very important issue, and I
24:08
Speaker 12: think it's important as a senator that you do stand
24:12
Speaker 12: for something and I have stood in support of this
24:15
Speaker 12: motion every time Pauline has brought it up, and quite frankly,
24:18
Speaker 12: will continue to do so for the rest of the time.
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Speaker 2: I'm good on you, Harley Hughes, Roman Bishop, thank you
24:24
Speaker 2: both very much for your time. Now you might have
24:28
Speaker 2: heard of the push to end salmon farming in Tasmania.
24:31
Speaker 2: This has been a push by political activists and Tanya
24:35
Speaker 2: plibisk has been dithering over it. But what you probably
24:38
Speaker 2: aren't aware is that an anti Israel lobby group is
24:42
Speaker 2: behind this campaign. Echo is a left wing activist organization
24:47
Speaker 2: from the United States and it's consistently campaigned against the
24:51
Speaker 2: Australian salmon industry.
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Speaker 3: Last year they pressured.
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Speaker 2: Coals and Woolwords just stop selling salmon, and the pressure
24:59
Speaker 2: was so great that at the Coles annual general meeting
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Speaker 2: last year, thirty nine percent of shareholders voted to stop
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Speaker 2: selling the product. Now the group is also lobbying Tanya
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Speaker 2: Plibisek to ban salmon farming in Tasmania's Macquarie Harbor, citing
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Speaker 2: the threat that it poses to a species called the skate.
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Speaker 3: Might have heard about this.
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Speaker 2: Plibisek has launched a review of salmon farming and if
25:24
Speaker 2: she does decide to end it, hundreds of families will
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Speaker 2: lose their livelihood and it could cost up to between
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Speaker 2: two and five thousand jobs. Now, ECO is notorious for
25:36
Speaker 2: its anti Israel positions.
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Speaker 3: It's accused the Jewish homeland of Apartheit.
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Speaker 2: Puma ended the sponsorship of Israel Football Association after ECO
25:48
Speaker 2: pressured them. EKO also tried unsuccessfully thankfully so far, to
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Speaker 2: have Eurovision, FIFA and the Olympics ban Israel.
26:00
Speaker 3: To discuss this.
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Speaker 2: And it's a fascinating alliance having this one group take
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Speaker 2: such a strong anti Israel position and be behind this
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Speaker 2: activist push to ban salmon farming in Tasmania. Joining me
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Speaker 2: now is Shadow Environment Minister and Senator for Tasmania Jonathan
26:16
Speaker 2: Dunniam Joddah.
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Speaker 3: Good to see you. Look.
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Speaker 2: Are you aware of this American connection to the group
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Speaker 2: trying to ban salmon farming?
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Speaker 1: Now it was quite a shock to see, although we
26:30
Speaker 1: did wonder where the local on ground protesters the anti
26:33
Speaker 1: salmon Brigade were getting their money from. But to have
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Speaker 1: overseas billionaires funneling their money through these dark and opaque
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Speaker 1: organizations linked to such an insidious movement, a movement that
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Speaker 1: has no regard for truth, no regard for the facts,
26:49
Speaker 1: and frankly seems to completely discard the rights of others,
26:52
Speaker 1: as they have in this Middle East debate. I'm not
26:56
Speaker 1: surprised that they are willing to do the same sort
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Speaker 1: of thing, albeit on a smaller scale in our state
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Speaker 1: of Tasmania, disregarding the facts and jeopardizing the jobs of
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Speaker 1: around five thousand Tasmanians. It is something that I'm glad
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Speaker 1: is now out in the open, and I applaud you
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Speaker 1: for reporting this because Tasmanians need to know that overseas
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Speaker 1: billionaires are backing the people that are claiming to stand
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Speaker 1: up for the environment, but really all they're trying to
27:19
Speaker 1: do is destroy the Tasmanian economy. That's all this is
27:21
Speaker 1: about now.
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Speaker 2: Of course there are local Australian activists who are involved
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Speaker 2: with this, but you could mount the argument that there's
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Speaker 2: foreign interference here as well.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think that is absolutely the case, and this is
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Speaker 1: something we've been worried about for some time. I read
27:40
Speaker 1: a report by the Menzi's Research Center recently which indicated
27:44
Speaker 1: that funding to these green activist organizations has exploded over
27:49
Speaker 1: time in some cases going from around ten million to
27:53
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars per annum. That it's not mums and
27:55
Speaker 1: dads handing a bit of their weekly payover. That is
27:59
Speaker 1: money coming in organizations like this. The Environmental Defender's Office
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Speaker 1: is a prime organization involved in this sort of activity,
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Speaker 1: and they're receiving donations we don't know where from.
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Speaker 8: We don't know.
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Speaker 1: Who's paid for their legal bills in the Santos case,
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Speaker 1: and I would argue that some of this money is
28:16
Speaker 1: coming from overseas. Who's to say it's not foreign state
28:19
Speaker 1: actors who want to damage our economy. Who's to say
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Speaker 1: it's not competitors from overseas. Our government is blind to
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Speaker 1: all of this, but it all needs to stop and
28:27
Speaker 1: we need to clamp down on it.
28:30
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of frustration about Tanya plebis x
28:33
Speaker 2: gathering on this. Can you tell me your view on
28:37
Speaker 2: that and also what motion the coalition has put up
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Speaker 2: in the Senate?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, it's been now over a year. There's
28:47
Speaker 1: been two Christmases that the honest, hard working men and
28:50
Speaker 1: women of the salmon industry have been waiting for this
28:52
Speaker 1: government to make a decision on whether salmon farming, which
28:56
Speaker 1: has operated in Macquarie Harbor, the body of what you
28:58
Speaker 1: talked about before for thirteen years. She still hasn't made
29:03
Speaker 1: a mind up. And I will bet my house on
29:05
Speaker 1: the fact that she won't make a decision before the
29:08
Speaker 1: election because she doesn't want to annoy the Green voters
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Speaker 1: and she wants to keep the blue collar voters in
29:13
Speaker 1: seats like Brandon and Lyons in Tasmania. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think they'll make a decision. That's why we did move
29:19
Speaker 1: a motion in the Senate to call on the Minister
29:22
Speaker 1: to actually make a decision now. Disappointingly, as you would expect,
29:26
Speaker 1: Labor and the Green's voted together and with a number
29:28
Speaker 1: of the cross Bench worked to defeat the motion. But
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Speaker 1: it is a preview into what the world after an election.
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Speaker 1: If a Labor Green minority government is elected, what it's
29:37
Speaker 1: going to look like. They will let this sort of
29:40
Speaker 1: activity run rife, just like they'll let anti Semitism run
29:44
Speaker 1: rife on a grand scale, because they don't stand up
29:46
Speaker 1: to these groups and the people behind these insidious campaigns.
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Speaker 2: Well said John Odnim. Good to have you on the show.
29:53
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. Now still to come, Ita
29:56
Speaker 2: Butcho's appears in court today in the Antoinette latoof trial.
29:59
Speaker 2: I'll get the latest with James Willis. Plus has alban
30:03
Speaker 2: Easy's foreign policy and hostility to Trump meant that Ozzie businesses.
30:08
Speaker 3: Will have to pay tariff's.
30:10
Speaker 2: I'm going to speak about this with Julian Lisa.
30:16
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 2: Last night we announced the Sky News Antisemitism Summit. It'll
30:22
Speaker 2: be held next Thursday, the twentieth of February. Headlining the
30:26
Speaker 2: event Opposition leader Peter Dutton, New South Wales Premier Chris
30:30
Speaker 2: Min's Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, former Prime Minister John Howard,
30:35
Speaker 2: Antisemitism Envoy Gillian Siegel, Holocaust survivors and so many more. Now,
30:42
Speaker 2: the aim is not for this to be a talk fest,
30:45
Speaker 2: but to come up with solutions and firm action to
30:49
Speaker 2: hopefully lead us out of this antisemitism crisis.
30:53
Speaker 3: But if there's one thing we've.
30:54
Speaker 2: Learned over the past sixteen months, it's that our politicians
30:58
Speaker 2: and leaders don't always have the answers. So we want
31:02
Speaker 2: you to get involved. And I know that all my
31:06
Speaker 2: sky News viewers are highly educated.
31:08
Speaker 3: You're smart, you're on the money.
31:10
Speaker 2: We genuinely need to hear your ideas about what you
31:15
Speaker 2: think we should discuss at the summit. So think of
31:18
Speaker 2: your best idea on how to address anti semitism. Make
31:22
Speaker 2: it big, be inspired by Donald Trump's big ideas, and
31:26
Speaker 2: I want you to email Alex Ripchin and I. And
31:30
Speaker 2: it could be hard to address racism against Jews on
31:33
Speaker 2: university campuses or in schools, or how to deal with
31:36
Speaker 2: the hate preachers, because no one's dealing with the hate preachers.
31:39
Speaker 3: So here's how to get your idea to us. We've
31:42
Speaker 3: got a new email address.
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Speaker 2: Write it down Summit at skynews dot com dot Au.
31:54
Speaker 2: That is the best email, and we're going to go
31:57
Speaker 2: through every single suggestion. We are genuinely working night and
32:01
Speaker 2: day on this anti Semitism summit. So write that down
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Speaker 2: Summit at skynews dot com dot Au. Will remind you
32:08
Speaker 2: of it again at the end of the show in
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Speaker 2: case you didn't get a pen on time.
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Speaker 3: Can't wait to hear from you. All right.
32:14
Speaker 2: Now, let's return to these tariffs on Australian steel and aluminium.
32:19
Speaker 3: Now, Alban Eazy.
32:21
Speaker 2: Tried to say that he'd won over Trump but the
32:24
Speaker 2: fact is that an executive order on tariffs has now
32:28
Speaker 2: been signed with no exceptions. And there was also news
32:31
Speaker 2: breaking this afternoon or this evening that the Trump administration
32:35
Speaker 2: has now accused Australia of breaking its word on allowing
32:39
Speaker 2: aluminum to surge into the US and failing to rain
32:44
Speaker 2: and steal expots. Now, this US proclamation says, and I'm quoting,
32:48
Speaker 2: now Australia has disregarded its verbal commitment to voluntarily restrain
32:54
Speaker 2: its aluminum expots.
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Speaker 3: To a reasonable level.
32:58
Speaker 2: It's claiming that the volume of US imports of aluminum
33:02
Speaker 2: from Australia surged, and that it was one hundred and
33:05
Speaker 2: three percent higher last year in twenty twenty four than
33:09
Speaker 2: the average amount for twenty fifteen to twenty seventy. Now,
33:13
Speaker 2: the levels of exports, that was how Scott Morrison and
33:18
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull got through bypassed the exemption. Previously right to
33:23
Speaker 2: discuss this in more liberal MP Julian Lisa joins me.
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Speaker 3: Now, Julian, welcome.
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Speaker 2: This is going to be a very difficult issue for
33:32
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to deal with, given senior ministers criticized
33:36
Speaker 2: Trump and their policy positions couldn't be more different from
33:40
Speaker 2: the US when it comes to China and Israel.
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Speaker 14: Well Sherry, this is a very important issue. You're quite right,
33:49
Speaker 14: and the aluminium and steel industry is worth something of
33:52
Speaker 14: the order of five hundred and fifty million dollars worth
33:54
Speaker 14: of exports to this country. It employs thousands of Australians
33:58
Speaker 14: in jobs, and we in the Coalition have been very
34:02
Speaker 14: clear that we support exemptions being negotiated from these executive
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Speaker 14: orders in relation to aluminum and steal and we support
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Speaker 14: the government in its efforts to try and achieve those exemptions.
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Speaker 14: It's very important that the US administration here is that
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Speaker 14: there is bipartisan support for these exemptions, and it's important
34:21
Speaker 14: because the US does have a trading surplus with Australia.
34:25
Speaker 14: We are its most reliable ally. The Orcus arrangements are
34:30
Speaker 14: going to provide lots of opportunities not just for Australia
34:33
Speaker 14: but the United States as well, and if we come
34:35
Speaker 14: to government with our nuclear policy plan, there'll be further
34:39
Speaker 14: training opportunities there as well. So we are providing by
34:43
Speaker 14: partisan support for these negotiations to achieve these exemptions.
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Speaker 3: Julian just sticking with Trump.
34:51
Speaker 2: He also said that if Hamas breaks its promise as
34:56
Speaker 2: it looks like it is, and doesn't release hostages this week.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Trump says if it doesn't, if a mass
35:02
Speaker 2: doesn't release all the hostages.
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Speaker 3: Then hell will break loose. What do you make of
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Speaker 3: this threat.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think when you go back to how the
35:14
Speaker 14: hostages came to be in Gaza in the first place,
35:17
Speaker 14: we saw the greatest crime committed against Jewish people in
35:20
Speaker 14: a single day since the Holocaust. We saw two hundred
35:23
Speaker 14: and fifty people taken hostage. And as we've seen the
35:25
Speaker 14: hostages being released, each new release sees more emaciated hostages
35:30
Speaker 14: coming forward. While there's a joy in seeing the releases,
35:34
Speaker 14: there's great sadness in seeing the conditions and the suffering
35:38
Speaker 14: of the hostages that have been there. We and the
35:40
Speaker 14: Coalition want to see all of the hostages released. We
35:44
Speaker 14: want to see them reunited with their families. That has
35:49
Speaker 14: been sort of key condition in relation to this conflict.
35:53
Speaker 14: And so the idea that this has stopped and that
35:57
Speaker 14: the hostage releases are not continuing is a very development. Right.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly before you go, Mark Dreyfus attacked the Coalition
36:05
Speaker 2: for politicizing anti Semitism. What's your reaction to Dreyfus's comments.
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Speaker 14: Look, Mark Drefus has form in accusing the Coalition of
36:15
Speaker 14: politicizing these issues. Before the last election, when Scott Morrison
36:19
Speaker 14: pointed out the very great differences between the Coalition and
36:21
Speaker 14: Labor on this he accused Scott Morrison of politicizing the issue.
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Speaker 14: I will not accept Mark Dreyfus's criticism when I stand
36:30
Speaker 14: up for my country, my community, and my family, particularly
36:33
Speaker 14: from someone who has deserted the Jewish community, who has
36:37
Speaker 14: gone along with every change in policy and relation to Israel, who,
36:41
Speaker 14: as we've read in the paper in recent days, was
36:43
Speaker 14: opposed to the mandatory sentencing penalties that the Coalition proposed
36:48
Speaker 14: and Labor eventually had to agree with. Someone who has
36:51
Speaker 14: opposed the judicial inquiry and anti semitism on campus, someone
36:55
Speaker 14: who has done nothing to clean up the due hatred
36:57
Speaker 14: at the Human Rights Commission. Someone who has had the
37:01
Speaker 14: awesome resources at the Federal Police at his disposal the
37:04
Speaker 14: entire time, and yet failed to take these issues seriously
37:08
Speaker 14: right from the very beginning. So we're not going to
37:09
Speaker 14: be lectured to by Mark Dreyfus when we point out
37:13
Speaker 14: the failings of this government and the failings to protect
37:15
Speaker 14: the Jewish community and other law abiding Australians.
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Speaker 2: Well said very strong remarks, Julian Lisa, thank you for
37:22
Speaker 2: your time as always.
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Speaker 3: Now still to come.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to cross to Israel to get the latest
37:28
Speaker 2: on himasa's refusal to hand over more hostages. Plus, it's
37:32
Speaker 2: been a big day in court in the Latouf ABC
37:35
Speaker 2: case with Ide Buttro's taking the stand. James Millis will
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Speaker 2: tell us what she said after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Well.
37:47
Speaker 2: Ita, Buttro's former ABC chair, gave evidence today at the
37:51
Speaker 2: unfair dismissal hearing between Antoinette Latouf and the ABC, and
37:55
Speaker 2: today Ita told the court Latouf was an activist who
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Speaker 2: never should have been hired by the ABC. Butcho said
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Speaker 2: she was a controversial broadcaster and I think in relation
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Speaker 2: to the Gaza Israel conflict, she was an activist.
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Speaker 3: That was quite apparent.
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Speaker 2: I drew the conclusion and I don't think we should
38:15
Speaker 2: have hired an activist of any kind, regardless of whatever
38:19
Speaker 2: view they held. Now, I think that's again a statement
38:24
Speaker 2: of the obvious. This was a hiring mistake by the ABC.
38:28
Speaker 2: To discuss I'm Joe now by Daily Telegraph journalist James
38:31
Speaker 2: Willis James, you are covering this court case, tell us
38:35
Speaker 2: about Ida Butchros's evidence today.
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Speaker 8: Well, the interesting thing was Antoinette Latouff gave Itita a
38:41
Speaker 8: very big glare at one point during the evidence, and
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Speaker 8: I think there would be a perception with Antoinette that
38:47
Speaker 8: Eida played a key role or a deciding role in
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Speaker 8: having her dismissed and not finishing this shift. But Ito
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Speaker 8: is really standing by how this played out. She's standing
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Speaker 8: by her involvement, which was to send emails to David
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Speaker 8: Nay and other people at the ABC to say I've
39:02
Speaker 8: received dozens of complaints, I've done my own research. My
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Speaker 8: view is that she is an activist and should not
39:07
Speaker 8: be on air for the rest of the week. Or
39:09
Speaker 8: said there was a problem there that needed to be addressed,
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Speaker 8: and so she was grilled at length for two hours,
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Speaker 8: but once again sharing the questions. She handled it well,
39:20
Speaker 8: and she's been grilled about this suggestion that Antoinette should
39:23
Speaker 8: have the rest of the week off with COVID or
39:25
Speaker 8: the flu. I mean, look, she's been around for long
39:27
Speaker 8: enough to know that in media sometimes that does happen
39:30
Speaker 8: as an excuse to get someone off air or to
39:31
Speaker 8: give someone a break when there's something else actually going on.
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Speaker 2: Just to explain that to viewers, Ite Butchers sent an
39:37
Speaker 2: email to ABC management saying, can't she just pretends she
39:40
Speaker 2: has COVID of the flu or something come back to work.
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Speaker 8: And that was halfway through a five day contract. And
39:45
Speaker 8: this whole fight is over a five day contract, which,
39:48
Speaker 8: as you say, and I think both of the view
39:51
Speaker 8: there was enough paper trail that Antoninette le Tufe was
39:53
Speaker 8: not going to satisfy the ABC's impartiality guidelines. She had
39:58
Speaker 8: a long history of provocative comments, long history of one
40:01
Speaker 8: sided comments on the saga and the war and the
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Speaker 8: conflict in the Middle East. So the other thing today
40:07
Speaker 8: was that you've got all these other ABC middle management
40:10
Speaker 8: and these people have been called out that don't have
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Speaker 8: their ducks lined up. Some of them say, oh, she
40:15
Speaker 8: was told not to post on social media. Others are
40:18
Speaker 8: saying that she actually was the complete opposite of that.
40:21
Speaker 8: So it's been a complete train wreck on every front.
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Speaker 8: But I just think Ita looked at it and looked
40:27
Speaker 8: at the complaints and looked at the evidence and said, hey,
40:30
Speaker 8: for a five day radio shift, why is she still
40:34
Speaker 8: on air?
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Speaker 3: Why are we actually putting ourselves through these complaints in
40:37
Speaker 3: the first place.
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Speaker 8: Yes, it would have been easy to cut the cord.
40:39
Speaker 2: Yes, it's also emerged in cod that latoof was a
40:41
Speaker 2: diversity higher in the first place because the ABC has
40:45
Speaker 2: got these diversity quotas.
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Speaker 8: Yes exactly, and to think that she was hired to
40:50
Speaker 8: tick that box. But then someone also didn't say, oh,
40:53
Speaker 8: look to be honest like anyone. I mean, if Sky
40:55
Speaker 8: Newes was hiring someone tomorrow, the first thing you would
40:58
Speaker 8: do is look at their social media year history and say,
41:01
Speaker 8: just so you know, in the last two years they've
41:03
Speaker 8: said a lot of controversial comments about one particular issue
41:06
Speaker 8: regarding politics or science or anything. And that might be
41:09
Speaker 8: enough not to give someone a job, because guess what
41:12
Speaker 8: the first thing the rest of the media does is
41:14
Speaker 8: look at that and say, Sky's just hired someone that
41:17
Speaker 8: didn't tick that so terrible higher from the ABC. And
41:20
Speaker 8: this mess I think could have been should have been avoided.
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Speaker 3: Could have been prevented with a proper resume background check. Absolutely.
41:26
Speaker 3: All right, let's have a.
41:27
Speaker 2: Look at this story that just broke on the Australian
41:29
Speaker 2: right now, and it's a good one that the teals
41:33
Speaker 2: have turned up for a fancy cocktail party at the lodge.
41:38
Speaker 2: So this story the Teals have been invited to the
41:40
Speaker 2: lodge by Anthony Alberizi for the first time. We're going
41:44
Speaker 2: to show you the pictures that this is the Australians
41:46
Speaker 2: exclusive of the Teals arriving at the lodge. Now, James, clearly,
41:52
Speaker 2: while we're looking at these pictures, clearly this is the
41:55
Speaker 2: Prime Minister trying to woo the Teals in case he
41:57
Speaker 2: needs their support in a hung part.
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Speaker 8: That's right, and I think despite the Labor primary vote
42:04
Speaker 8: being in real trouble, the other elephant in the room
42:07
Speaker 8: is the fact that the minor parties still have significant
42:10
Speaker 8: support and in the event of Labor or Liberal being
42:14
Speaker 8: unable to form government, they're going to have to rely
42:16
Speaker 8: on the cross bench. The Greens are not the biggest
42:19
Speaker 8: part of that in the lower House. The biggest part
42:21
Speaker 8: of that are the Teals and Independence, like d Lee,
42:24
Speaker 8: who was also there tonight. So Albo's attempting to woo
42:27
Speaker 8: them before the election very strategically because I think he
42:30
Speaker 8: thinks that ultimately, if it gets close, he's going to
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Speaker 8: need their votes. The great irony of the Teals supporting
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Speaker 8: Anthony Albanesi is that they are in traditional blue ribbon seats,
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Speaker 8: traditional conservative voters who will tenderly vote that way. They've
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Speaker 8: decided to vote independent. They're certainly not people that would prefer,
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Speaker 8: in my view, labor over liberal traditionally. But you can
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Speaker 8: guarantee that if it's close, Zali and the others will
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Speaker 8: be supporting Anthony Alberanisi.
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Speaker 13: So that'll be a story.
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Speaker 8: And the Cocktail Party has just made it all that
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Speaker 8: more interesting.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, it has.
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Speaker 2: James Willis, thank you very much for joining us. All right,
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Speaker 2: don't go anywhere. We'll cross live to Israel as Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump calls out Hermas's cruel tactics and threatens.
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Speaker 3: To unleash hell. That's next. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's return to this big breaking story that HERMAS
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Speaker 2: is refusing to release the remaining hostages and Trump has
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Speaker 2: threatened to unleash hell. Joining me now, human rights lawyer,
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Speaker 2: the chief executive of the International Legal Forum and senior
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Speaker 2: fellow at the MISGOV Institute for National Security, Arsen Ostrowsky
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Speaker 2: joins me.
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Speaker 3: Arsen, good to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Look what is your Well, I actually want to just
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Speaker 2: start with the news that's been breaking that eighty six
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Speaker 2: year old hostage Shlomo Mansor. He was kidnapped on October seven,
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Speaker 2: and we're now hearing that he was killed by Hermas
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Speaker 2: eighty six year old.
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Speaker 13: Books Sharry. There is, honestly, depths no ends to the
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Speaker 13: to the depravity, the cruelty, and the monstrous evil of Hamas.
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Speaker 13: They spare no one from a Holocaust survivor eighty six
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Speaker 13: year old Shamoon Manso whom they kidnapped to hostage, from
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Speaker 13: his fineman modern captivity, to the youngest of hostages nine
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Speaker 13: month old baby, to women and the elderly. No one
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Speaker 13: is spared by their evil. There is, there is no
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Speaker 13: ends to that. So true, there's a very very sad day.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, it's really really sad, you know, to think that
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Speaker 2: an eighty six year old has to go through this arson.
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Speaker 2: I spoke earlier in the show about my sense, which
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Speaker 2: is that the remaining hostages are either not alive or
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Speaker 2: they're in such a terrible condition, so emaciated and starved,
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Speaker 2: that Hamas doesn't want the world to.
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Speaker 3: See their depravity. What do you think about that?
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Speaker 13: I think that's that's that's a fair assumption. Harmas is
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Speaker 13: engaged in a sadistic game of psychological warfare and torture.
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Speaker 13: We have seen that with every single move they make,
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Speaker 13: everything for them is some kind of you know, vile
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Speaker 13: show and a propaganda exhibition. My worry had been for
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Speaker 13: some time that they are in fact releasing hostages in
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Speaker 13: descending order of health, and we have seen that steadily,
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Speaker 13: of course, culminating the three as you noted, emaciated stuff
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Speaker 13: hostages we saw just a few days ago. So it
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Speaker 13: may well be that the remaining hostages are in such
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Speaker 13: awful condition, which we know already for a fact, including
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Speaker 13: for most of ever return. They've spoken about the hostages
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Speaker 13: and captivity being chained, being deprived of food, water, lights,
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Speaker 13: in the most horrific, barbaric of conditions, and again for
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Speaker 13: hamass is all exhibitions or some kind of vile show.
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Speaker 13: So it may well be that they're doing this, prolonging
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Speaker 13: this in order to buy themselves more time in order
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Speaker 13: to release the next set of captives, possibly in a
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Speaker 13: better condition. We don't know, but they are, you know,
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Speaker 13: they are violating every single term of the agreement with
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Speaker 13: his role with the mediators, and as he said, President
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Speaker 13: Trump has been very clear released the hostages by twelve
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Speaker 13: nun or they will be indeed hell to pay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said, now release all of them. He
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Speaker 2: said he doesn't want to see them in drips or drabs.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is a threat or do you
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Speaker 2: think he would actually fulfill his threat that they would
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Speaker 2: be hell to pay?
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Speaker 3: And what does that really look like?
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Speaker 2: Because you know, it's really been Israel leading the fight
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Speaker 2: against her mass up until now.
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Speaker 13: Look, I mean, I think that we should take President
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Speaker 13: Trump at his word. He has been consistent well before
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Speaker 13: even his election that they will be hell to pay
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Speaker 13: for if Hamas does not release these hostages, not just
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Speaker 13: the Americans holding hostages, but all the remaining hostages. So
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Speaker 13: it has been very very clear about that. How that
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Speaker 13: we look in terms of what further what else can
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Speaker 13: be done. Look, there are a number of steps that
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Speaker 13: sertainly can be taken. Those radio troops can go back
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Speaker 13: into the net Surim corridor. We can see a stoppage
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Speaker 13: of gardens going back to the north. We can see
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Speaker 13: more build up with radio troops. We can see a
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Speaker 13: stoppage in the flow of aid getting into gaards, which
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Speaker 13: has really increased even more even beyond what it had
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Speaker 13: already been coming through, but not decisions in Hamasa's in
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Speaker 13: Harmasa's hands whether they have these hostages or suffer the
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Speaker 13: consequences of what will be held to pay for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the thing is that HARMUSK clearly
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Speaker 2: doesn't care about Palestinian civilians when it comes to aid. Arsenostrowsky,
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