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Killer Thriller Docu: Could new evidence in the Scott Peterson case prove his innocence? · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, Welcome back to Killer Thriller Docu Edition. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Jen Fessler, and we are going in depth
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Speaker 1: and behind the scenes of the most watched and most
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Speaker 1: binged true crime documentaries and docuseries. So today we are
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Speaker 1: diving into the Netflix documentary American Murder Lacy Peterson. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if anyone of you listeners remember Lacey and
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Speaker 1: this story, but it happened on December twenty fourth, two
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Speaker 1: thousand and two. I remember it very well. Lacy Peterson,
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Speaker 1: who was eight months pregnant, was reported missing by her son,
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson and stepfather. So Scott claimed that he'd gone
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Speaker 1: to the Berkeley Marina, which was almost ninety miles away
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Speaker 1: from their home, to go fishing that morning, and that
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Speaker 1: he had last seen Lacey before he left their modesto,
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Speaker 1: California home. During the massive and it was massive search
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Speaker 1: for Lacey, a woman named Amber Fry came forward and
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Speaker 1: told detectives that she had been dating Scott Peterson for months,
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Speaker 1: which completely blew the whole case wide open and turned
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Speaker 1: everyone's attention on Lacey's husband, Scott, as a possible suspect.
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Speaker 1: Lacey and her son Connor's body washed up in the
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Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay, just a few miles away from where
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Speaker 1: Scott Peterson had been well quote unquote fishing on the
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Speaker 1: day of her disappearance. So Scott was arrested, charged for
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Speaker 1: the murders of Lacey and their son, Connor, and then
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Speaker 1: there was a trial, actually a five month trial, and
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Speaker 1: he was found guilty of first degree murder for Lacey's
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Speaker 1: death and second degree murder for Connor's death. Initially, he
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Speaker 1: was sentenced to death in two thousand and five, and
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Speaker 1: then the sentence was overturned in twenty twenty due to
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Speaker 1: what they said was juror issues, resulting in re sentencing
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, where he was sentenced to life
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Speaker 1: in prison without the possibility of parole. And today I
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Speaker 1: almost cannot believe it, but I am speaking with the
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Speaker 1: most incredible director of this and many amazing documentaries, Skyle
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Speaker 1: borgmann Sky. I cannot thank you enough for coming on.
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Speaker 1: I'm a big, big, big fan of yours.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I am. I watched a known number whoa whoa, whoa whoa,
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Speaker 1: and we're not here to talk about it today, but
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Speaker 1: maybe some other time. Maybe that is that's some sick Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's fascinating and the way that you did it, the
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Speaker 1: way that the surprise of it all. Anyway, sorry, guys,
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Speaker 1: that's not we're here to talk about. We are here
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Speaker 1: to talk about Lacy Peterson. So I want to know,
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Speaker 1: first of all, how you got involved in this project.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is what you do, right, so you
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Speaker 1: do do a lot of true crime, but this is
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Speaker 1: to me, this this was iconic. So Lacey would be
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Speaker 1: how old today? I feel like just about my age.
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Speaker 2: I would guess, I mean just about mine too, in her.
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Speaker 1: Fifty seve Yeah, I'm fifty seven. Yeah, So I mean
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Speaker 1: I remember this. It feels like it was yesterday, but
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Speaker 1: I remember it in real time. And so tell me
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Speaker 1: what brought you to telling this story, why you picked
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Speaker 1: Lacey in the story?
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Speaker 2: I'm in the same boat. I mean, I remember it happening.
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Speaker 2: I grew up on the West Coast. I was in
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Speaker 2: you know, Klamath Falls and now California. You know, so
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Speaker 2: so knew about this story, followed this story as it
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Speaker 2: was happening, and had always kind of you know, it
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Speaker 2: always just haunts you a little bit. And I don't
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Speaker 2: know exactly like the story came about, Like I was
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Speaker 2: talking with Netflix, and we talked about the Lacy Peterson
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Speaker 2: story and they felt like it was just a really
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Speaker 2: great one to revisit, and I had such sort of
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Speaker 2: a visceral response to it, and so we sort of
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Speaker 2: chatted and said, yeah, let's let's let's do this. Let's
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Speaker 2: go back and revisit. And there'd also been oh, a
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Speaker 2: few years back, there had been yeah, kind of a
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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson is innocent, like they were looking into that,
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Speaker 2: and then right around the same time that ours came out,
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Speaker 2: another dot came out that was more sort of heavily
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Speaker 2: into questioning Scott's guilt and really saying that he was innocent.
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Speaker 2: So I think that timing of it really was fortuitous.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering. I have to ask you why American Murder?
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Speaker 1: Why is that the title? Just because it felt like
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Speaker 1: this all American?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean American, this husband, wife, this, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it feels like, I mean, it just feels like such
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Speaker 2: an American stories.
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Speaker 1: It does, and it does, and it was.
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Speaker 2: Such an American I mean, like, you look at Lacey
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Speaker 2: and she just sort of exemplifies this quintessential American young
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Speaker 2: woman marrying this guy, and so it just felt like
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Speaker 2: such an American story that that's how we landed on
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Speaker 2: that title. And then to me, it was really important
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Speaker 2: to have it be about Lacey Peterson and not about
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Speaker 2: Scott because I feel like everything else scene has very
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Speaker 2: much been about him, and I wanted Lacey to really
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Speaker 2: be at the forefront of what this series was.
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Speaker 1: About, so right, and I felt that right. I definitely
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Speaker 1: felt like this was and I think that you were
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Speaker 1: very objective in terms of the story, and especially because
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Speaker 1: you had Scott's family on as well. But I felt
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Speaker 1: very close to Lacey while watching it, certainly because of
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Speaker 1: her mom and the way that you even the way
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Speaker 1: that you had the friends sitting there and talking about
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Speaker 1: her and then flashing back to them dancing around the
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Speaker 1: living room. All of it made me feel close to
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Speaker 1: her and very even more sad I made it all
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Speaker 1: even that much more real. But you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: feel like you were not objective. I do feel like
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Speaker 1: you did have even at the end, you know, you
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Speaker 1: were very clear that his family they do not think
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Speaker 1: he did this so well, you know, but I feel
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Speaker 1: like it was for Lacey.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was for Lacey. And look, I think Scott's
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Speaker 2: family wouldn't object to that, like they are sad that
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Speaker 2: Lacey's gone too, and they've always said that, you know
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Speaker 2: that they miss her as well. But you're right. I mean,
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Speaker 2: his family still one hundred percent believes that he is
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Speaker 2: not the one that killed her. So and look at
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the whole process because these, yeah, documentary
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Speaker 2: had been done before about Scott's innocence. You know, I
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Speaker 2: definitely looked into it. And it's this massive undertaking to
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Speaker 2: get all these police documents, to reach out to officers involved,
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Speaker 2: to reach out to Scott's family, and to kind of
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Speaker 2: see how all of these things land and what evidence
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Speaker 2: is actually there that we want to talk about, and
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Speaker 2: what evidence can be a little bit like not twisted,
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Speaker 2: but looked at in a different way, you know, and
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Speaker 2: to kind of approach it in a way that that
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Speaker 2: is objective and that we're really looking at what happened,
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Speaker 2: how it happened, and what a jury ultimately decided.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, was it difficult to a difficult task to get
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Speaker 1: For instance, obviously Lacy's mom on board was that was
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Speaker 1: she all in from the beginning or did you have
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Speaker 1: to work your magic?
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Speaker 2: It was a little bit of magic. Sharon hasn't done
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Speaker 2: an interview for anything. I don't think beyond you know,
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Speaker 2: when Lacey was first missing and she was reaching news
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Speaker 2: outlets were reaching out to her, and she was looking
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Speaker 2: for Lacey. But beyond that, Sharon has chosen not to
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Speaker 2: speak publicly. And I'm not sure why she chose to
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Speaker 2: do it this time. I mean, we'd been in contact
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Speaker 2: with her for a pretty long period of time, for
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Speaker 2: a year and a half or two years, talking to
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Speaker 2: her about really wanting this to be about Lacey and
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Speaker 2: having it be victim forward, and she liked that. I
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Speaker 2: think it was really just this kind of process of
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Speaker 2: her figuring out that she wanted to take this opportunity
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Speaker 2: to honor her daughter and to speak publicly about it.
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Speaker 2: And I'm so thankful she did, because I think her
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Speaker 2: presence changes the entire series in such a great way.
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Speaker 2: To see this mother and daughter and there finde and
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Speaker 2: how she said it years after the fact.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because I remember her looking the way she
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Speaker 1: did twenty years ago. So when you had, you know,
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Speaker 1: tape of that and then flash forward to look at
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Speaker 1: she's a beautiful woman aged today. She looked today, I know,
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Speaker 1: autiful woman, and I you know, but I look, I
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Speaker 1: see her face and I guess, I don't know, for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, maybe I'm she's a beautiful woman, but I
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Speaker 1: can see that the grief, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's it's we all age and.
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Speaker 2: We all go on, but it just feels a little bit,
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Speaker 2: you know, going through all of this, it steals a
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Speaker 2: bit of your soul.
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, it's true. What about Scott's sister
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Speaker 1: sister in law? Was it hard to get them on board?
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Speaker 2: So we talked to them reasonably early on, and they're
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Speaker 2: pretty willing to talk, you know. They they take the
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Speaker 2: opportunities they can to really say that Scott is innocent,
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Speaker 2: and so felt that this was another opportunity. And I
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Speaker 2: have to say, you know, it was interesting talking to
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Speaker 2: them because they fully know what speaking publicly can do
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Speaker 2: in the backlash they can get and the support that
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Speaker 2: they can get, you know. But but but they really
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Speaker 2: feel that it's important to talk about and so they
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Speaker 2: were need to be on camera.
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Speaker 1: Has Amber spoken before this, I don't remember her speaking.
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Speaker 2: I think has. Yeah. We reached out to Amber too,
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Speaker 2: and I don't think she'd ever been in anything before.
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Speaker 2: But I mean that clip of her, you know, getting
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Speaker 2: up and doing the press conference is like seared into
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Speaker 2: my brain.
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Speaker 1: Yes, mine too, mine too, mine too.
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Speaker 2: Being able to sit down with Amber was was really.
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Speaker 1: Great, unbelievable. So all right, so just specifics because my
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Speaker 1: head is spinning from it all, and even you gave,
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Speaker 1: there's so much information and I could just continue to
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Speaker 1: ask questions and talk about and then maybe that's the
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Speaker 1: sign of like a great documentary, is that you're still
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Speaker 1: just so fascinated by it. Right, So, after she went missing,
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Speaker 1: the way he picked up the phone, well went missing,
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Speaker 1: quote unquote, but he put he literally just picked upon
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Speaker 1: and I would have thought that he would have had
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Speaker 1: it planned out a little bit better, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: if this is premeditated murder, and maybe he is, he
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it probably was suspicious to law enforcement,
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Speaker 1: but it just seems so weird and random.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think what the strangest thing to me was
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Speaker 2: this this dual.
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Speaker 1: Story, the golfing fishing part of it.
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Speaker 2: Golfing fishing. Yeah, that he'd gone golfing and then it
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Speaker 2: was that he'd gone fishing. So I think that that
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Speaker 2: was and to law enforcement too. I mean, as soon
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Speaker 2: as they started canvassing the neighborhood, you know, and heard
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Speaker 2: that he had told a neighbor he had gone golfing,
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Speaker 2: and then he told law enforced me he'd gone fishing.
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Speaker 2: There was just a red flag that was raised there
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Speaker 2: that that was certainly socious, you know. Yeah, and the
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Speaker 2: comings and goings and just it's funny because I had
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Speaker 2: my showrunners from the Bay Area and she's like, nobody
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Speaker 2: drives from Modesta, so drives an hour and a half
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Speaker 2: to go fishing. Like there's lakes everywhere to go fishing,
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Speaker 2: So who would do that? You know, So it's just
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Speaker 2: that question on you know, Christmas Eve, who drives that far?
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Speaker 2: I don't particularly think it's hugely suspicious, But she is pregnant.
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Speaker 2: You believe in your wife that's you know, eight months
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Speaker 2: pregnant at this point in time, and going fishing, and
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Speaker 2: you've got plans to kind of go to the in
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Speaker 2: laws later that night for Christmas Eve dinner. And it
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Speaker 2: just there's just some things that are a little bit weird.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, completely weird. I mean from from
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Speaker 1: the beginning, the way that he just called everyone she's missing,
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Speaker 1: she's missing, was just so it was it absolutely was,
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Speaker 1: in my mind a red flag. But a lot of
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Speaker 1: this is, you know, a juror said that case that
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors created a story. I don't remember what the
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Speaker 1: exact quote was, but like they obviously they found the body.
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Speaker 1: But in terms of just empirical evidence, I think there
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Speaker 1: was a lot of evidence, but it was the whole
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Speaker 1: thing sort of makes sense when you see it in
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Speaker 1: its totality, right, Like I can see how the people
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Speaker 1: that love him the most can still be kind of
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Speaker 1: in denial, right, because I don't know that there was
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Speaker 1: ever You tell what you think, but like an absolute line,
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming you think he did it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah for you, And there was a lot
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Speaker 2: there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that when you
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Speaker 2: pile all that circumstantial evidence on top of itself, it
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Speaker 2: points to Scott Peterson. Yes, family is doing exactly what
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Speaker 2: you're talking about saying, well, there's no hard evidence, like
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Speaker 2: DNA is impossible, right because he's the husband. There's right everywhere,
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Speaker 2: so there's no way to link the DNA. There's no camera,
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Speaker 2: you know, footage of showing you know, him murdering Lacey.
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Speaker 2: So there's no hard evidence that linked Scott to do this.
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Speaker 2: He had a story about where he was, what he
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Speaker 2: was doing, that he wasn't there, that he was off fishing.
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Speaker 2: So so there are different accounts of how things happened.
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Speaker 2: But there's also what people absolutely knew from phone records
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Speaker 2: and when his phone pinged close to the house, that
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Speaker 2: seems to indicate that he was leaving in his truck,
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Speaker 2: going to his work, driving that hour and a half
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Speaker 2: to get to the Bay Area, coming home, getting home.
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Speaker 1: Oh there's there's of course, there's every everything points to him.
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Speaker 1: I don't and again I don't have any doubts about it,
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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying I'm trying to, you know, picture
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Speaker 1: as his mother, as his sister, as his you know,
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Speaker 1: I can see that they say there's not anything. There's
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Speaker 1: no absolutes here necessarily. But the thing also that the
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Speaker 1: only thing that was a disconnect for me was I
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Speaker 1: think it was his father that said, how what a
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Speaker 1: wonderful boy he was he grew up with. You didn't
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Speaker 1: touch on this as much, but his family seemed pretty
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Speaker 1: healthy for all intents and purposes. And I don't know,
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Speaker 1: right well, you didn't get into as much of that,
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Speaker 1: but he just seemed like a guy, and what what
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Speaker 1: what the.
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Speaker 2: Fuck there's some complicated family dynamics going on with the Peterson's.
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Speaker 2: I mean, one of the more interesting things is is
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Speaker 2: that his parents Scott was their biological son, and they
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Speaker 2: had they had, you know, brothers and sisters on both
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Speaker 2: sides of the face.
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Speaker 1: Right, oh right, okay, So he was.
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Speaker 2: Really kind of the golden boy.
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Speaker 1: Right, I remember you, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
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Speaker 2: You got a lot of attention kind of for that.
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Speaker 2: And he was he was really yeah, he was really
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Speaker 2: you know theirs and loved by them. So but look,
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Speaker 2: lived an incredibly privileged life. They had good money, they
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Speaker 2: belonged to country clubs. You know, there was a lot
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Speaker 2: of privilege in that life.
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Speaker 1: So not okay, and the golden boy and tall and
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Speaker 1: good looking, I mean, and all of these really cares.
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Speaker 1: I didn't see him as because and even the I
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Speaker 1: think the police law for did like he's very monotone.
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Speaker 1: So I didn't get the charismatic piece of him in
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Speaker 1: the dock. Maybe he seemed cold blooded a little to
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Speaker 1: me in it. But I mean, listen, and you know,
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Speaker 1: she even her name fit her. She's so adorable. Just
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Speaker 1: late she seemed like a Lacey you know. But but
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Speaker 1: the part that made me want to think maybe he
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Speaker 1: didn't do it. Is that whole part that I can't
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Speaker 1: understand where he was coming from, even with the affair.
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Speaker 1: He didn't want to have children, And I don't know
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Speaker 1: if she knew. I don't think she even knew that
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Speaker 1: he was having an affair, right if there's been any right,
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Speaker 1: so she didn't even know. So what drives a golden
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Speaker 1: boy who grew up in country club, who met the
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Speaker 1: world's most adorable woman and to commit murder? What the F?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the big question, right, And I think
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Speaker 2: it's and I think that's that's part of the reason
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Speaker 2: why there are people out there who think that he
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Speaker 2: didn't do it, because, yeah, get a divorce. Just get
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Speaker 2: a divorce. If you don't love her anymore, you met
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Speaker 2: this other woman, you don't want to be a dad.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there are plenty of dead beat dads out
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Speaker 2: there who don't.
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Speaker 1: Murder their one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: So be a dead beat dad.
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Speaker 1: I had one. I know all about it.
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Speaker 2: Oh right, So he had options that didn't they didn't
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Speaker 2: have to include murder. So, I mean it is a
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Speaker 2: big question, like why would he go to those extremes?
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Speaker 2: I think the other big question too, is like, you know,
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Speaker 2: when did he do it, how did it happen? Like
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Speaker 2: what were the actual circumstances? And I don't think anybody
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Speaker 2: is will ever know how he killed her or what happened.
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Speaker 1: They said, what so one of I guess maybe she's
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Speaker 1: FBI said it was a soft murder, meaning that it
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Speaker 1: was their strangulation, strangulation or suffocation, right, yeah, yeah, because
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Speaker 1: that's what they think, right because there was no blood.
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Speaker 1: What about the part where they say that Connor, I
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Speaker 1: don't remember if this was proven or not, but that
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Speaker 1: he was alive maybe outside of the womb.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's some some some differing opinions here. So
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Speaker 2: there was an expert who came in and said that
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Speaker 2: they believed that he had been alive outside of this
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Speaker 2: womb of the womb because there's a fecal matter, a
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Speaker 2: mucle well, I don't remember what it's called, that's exposed.
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Speaker 1: His membrane something yes, okay, okay.
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Speaker 2: And he still had that intact, so they seem to
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Speaker 2: think that he was could still have been alive. There
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Speaker 2: were also some indications of like how far along she
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Speaker 2: was in her pregnancy and the size of the little
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Speaker 2: baby corpse. That washed up onto the shore, and those
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Speaker 2: seem to not exactly you know, exist in the same place,
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Speaker 2: but there's always sort of windows, and so there's it's
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Speaker 2: those questions and those potential sort of things not quite
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Speaker 2: lining up that I think are one of the main
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Speaker 2: reasons that this story still sort of entices all of us,
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Speaker 2: that we still have people out there saying this doesn't
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Speaker 2: line up. I think he's innocent or it doesn't really matter,
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Speaker 2: I think he's guilt in why those conversations still exist today.
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Speaker 2: It really heated conversations still exist, And I.
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Speaker 1: Get it, I really do, because I think he did it.
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Speaker 1: But I wouldn't want to be on the jury. I know,
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Speaker 1: I know, I mean, I'm not and I'm in my
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Speaker 1: mind there's no question, but I still wouldn't want to
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Speaker 1: be the person that, you know, sentenced him to death.
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Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, all right,
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Speaker 1: So what about the friends? So first of all, did
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Speaker 1: they give you any they were interested, were they interested
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Speaker 1: from the get go? Were they happy to do it
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Speaker 1: or did that take any It.
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Speaker 2: Was really it was really a conversation because Sharon and
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Speaker 2: the friends are so close like they It really was
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Speaker 2: kind of a Okay, we're either all going to do
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Speaker 2: this or none of us are going to do it.
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Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of conversations that they
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Speaker 2: had amongst themselves and with Sharon to try to figure
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Speaker 2: out if this was the right thing to do, and
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Speaker 2: ultimately they all they all did. They were they were
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Speaker 2: going to do what Sharon wanted them to do.
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Speaker 1: And share really yeah, and you know, they felt like
19:32
Speaker 1: my friends. Yeah, that's that's the thing, like, And that
19:36
Speaker 1: was another part of it that was just I thought
19:40
Speaker 1: was so great in terms of the storytelling of it.
19:43
Speaker 1: To have their perspective to talk about baby showers and
19:48
Speaker 1: you know, their pain. I thought that was I don't
19:52
Speaker 1: know it it made her even that much more human,
19:56
Speaker 1: you know, and I felt I felt for them and
19:59
Speaker 1: and also it feels to me though like they had
20:02
Speaker 1: their doubts about wasn't touched on too much, but they
20:05
Speaker 1: had their doubts about Scott before it happened. And I
20:08
Speaker 1: don't know that they said anything really incriminating necessarily, but
20:13
Speaker 1: do you feel like that, like they kind of look.
20:15
Speaker 2: It's always to twenty twenty. Hindsight's twenty twenty, right, yes, back,
20:19
Speaker 2: And I think they didn't you know, like he was
20:22
Speaker 2: kind of this like hey, hey, hey kind of guy.
20:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do lots of this.
20:27
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna.
20:28
Speaker 1: Be right, yes, well, yes, one of those.
20:31
Speaker 2: I think they caught onto that pretty quickly. But they also,
20:34
Speaker 2: you know, their best friend was also super in love
20:37
Speaker 2: with him, so they're like, all right, it was a
20:39
Speaker 2: little bit of a mover and shaker, but he seems
20:41
Speaker 2: like a decent enough guy, comes from a decent family,
20:44
Speaker 2: so it's okay. And I think that is especially hard
20:49
Speaker 2: as a friend or as a mom to sort of
20:52
Speaker 2: be on the other end of it and kind of go,
20:54
Speaker 2: why didn't I know better? Why didn't I trust that
20:56
Speaker 2: guy instinct? Why didn't I say lazy? This kind of
20:59
Speaker 2: a dick?
21:00
Speaker 1: Guess what, Scott? You know many of my friends are
21:02
Speaker 1: married to dick's. Sorry I don't mean you, but seriously, like,
21:08
Speaker 1: how many blowhards do? I know? Right, It's not like
21:11
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be like, don't marry me's a murderer, So
21:14
Speaker 1: you know, I hope that they don't have guilt around
21:17
Speaker 1: any of that or anything, because they were such good friends.
21:21
Speaker 2: Great friends, I mean like great friends, like even you know,
21:25
Speaker 2: once Lacy was married. She was the first of the
21:27
Speaker 2: group to get married.
21:28
Speaker 1: And.
21:30
Speaker 2: Was she the first She was young, she was one
21:32
Speaker 2: of the first to get married, and they still like
21:35
Speaker 2: hung out, you know, like when you're young and married,
21:37
Speaker 2: like kind of forget about your friends and you go
21:39
Speaker 2: off and you're just doing stuff with your husband. And
21:41
Speaker 2: she and her friends were still just doing everything together.
21:43
Speaker 2: They were really really close.
21:46
Speaker 1: So talk to me a little bit about her friends
21:50
Speaker 1: and her mom and Amber. I thought that was such
21:53
Speaker 1: an interesting part of this story, the way that they
21:55
Speaker 1: were able to I don't know if the word is
21:58
Speaker 1: embrace Amber, but almost it almost. It feels like they
22:03
Speaker 1: almost felt for her, like she was duped, they knew it,
22:05
Speaker 1: and just because she had an affair with Lacey's husband,
22:08
Speaker 1: they were not going to, you know, condemn her and
22:11
Speaker 1: instead actually almost felt like embrace her. I mean, is
22:13
Speaker 1: that how it went down?
22:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty much. I wouldn't wouldn't say they
22:17
Speaker 2: all went on to be really chilling, right right, right,
22:20
Speaker 2: But what Amber did? She brought answers when there were none,
22:25
Speaker 2: and so Lacey's friends and her family really appreciated getting
22:30
Speaker 2: some answers out of this abyss and for that they
22:35
Speaker 2: were able to kind of really understand where Amber came
22:40
Speaker 2: from and that she was duped as well, and they
22:42
Speaker 2: were able to really embrace her and not blame her,
22:47
Speaker 2: which the media did just a massive expense.
22:50
Speaker 1: I remember. That's what I was about. That was my
22:52
Speaker 1: next question, because in the documentary it was clear, it
22:55
Speaker 1: was clear the way that you made it. This is
22:58
Speaker 1: not somebody who this is somebody that was duped. This
23:00
Speaker 1: is not somebody that had anything to do with this
23:03
Speaker 1: murder disappearance, and if anything, was a victim here as well.
23:07
Speaker 1: But I remember that I don't know that she was
23:12
Speaker 1: a suspect, an official suspect, but kind of if I'm
23:15
Speaker 1: remembering correctly, like she was considered. Was she part of it?
23:18
Speaker 1: You know? Did she was it a team idea? Is
23:22
Speaker 1: that right?
23:23
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely? And I think it was really I don't
23:27
Speaker 2: think she was. I mean, initially, as she calls in,
23:30
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm seeing Scott Peterson. Of course the cops
23:33
Speaker 2: are going to look at her, but the cops pretty
23:35
Speaker 2: quickly realized that she didn't know that Scott had been married,
23:40
Speaker 2: and she was so instrumental, like those calls that she made.
23:43
Speaker 1: Just Okay, what what I mean she missed her calling.
23:48
Speaker 1: She should have been an FBI agent something she was.
23:52
Speaker 1: She was good. That was unreal. I don't know how
23:55
Speaker 1: she held together.
23:56
Speaker 2: I don't know how she did either. She's just and
23:58
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of coaching, you know from BROUKINI,
24:01
Speaker 2: but not really like you hear her on those calls
24:04
Speaker 2: and she's believable and she's trying to get answers but
24:07
Speaker 2: not push Scott too far. And there were a lot
24:11
Speaker 2: of taped calls that she had, and so as soon
24:13
Speaker 2: as she was willing to tape those calls and be
24:16
Speaker 2: on the law enforcement side, like I think it was
24:19
Speaker 2: pretty clear early on to law enforcement that she was
24:23
Speaker 2: not part of it. But it's such a great story, right.
24:25
Speaker 2: The media picked up on it and was able to
24:28
Speaker 2: really drag her through the mud for an extended.
24:32
Speaker 1: You just reminded me there was a part in it
24:35
Speaker 1: where I don't remember again if it was FBI or
24:38
Speaker 1: the police, they're watching it, but I was a woman
24:41
Speaker 1: and watching it, watching the media frenzy and saying we
24:45
Speaker 1: did this, like we created this.
24:47
Speaker 2: Or was it?
24:48
Speaker 1: No, that's not excuse me. It was somebody from the media.
24:50
Speaker 1: It was the interviewer. It was what is her name?
24:53
Speaker 1: The blonde woman? Yes, and she said did we do this?
24:56
Speaker 1: And I thought that was so interesting, right because obviously
25:00
Speaker 1: it was a media frenzy, and I think it sounds
25:03
Speaker 1: it sounded like the likes of which has not really
25:04
Speaker 1: been seen before in terms of these were not famous people,
25:08
Speaker 1: right right, this was all as you said it was
25:10
Speaker 1: because maybe they were so all American. But I thought
25:13
Speaker 1: it was interesting that she it almost felt like she
25:16
Speaker 1: was taking some responsibility for do you know, I mean,
25:19
Speaker 1: you know her obviously.
25:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think as part of the media, you know,
25:24
Speaker 2: everybody kind of knows what a good story is. They
25:31
Speaker 2: carry with them a huge responsibility of how they impact
25:34
Speaker 2: that story, of what they do to to have that
25:37
Speaker 2: story go in the right direction in the wrong direction.
25:40
Speaker 2: But there's also incredible pressure from networks to get these stories,
25:45
Speaker 2: to get to the heart of these stories, to get
25:47
Speaker 2: the most salacious things of these stories. So I think
25:49
Speaker 2: with every journalist there's always this push and pull of
25:53
Speaker 2: what is ethical, what is real, and what's going to
25:56
Speaker 2: get the ratings. And sometimes you know, especially twenty years ago,
25:59
Speaker 2: it was very these things weren't talked about quite as
26:02
Speaker 2: much as they are now, and so getting the ratings
26:04
Speaker 2: was one of the more important things.
26:06
Speaker 1: So you do think she felt like she had created
26:10
Speaker 1: I don't like her contributed in some way to the
26:12
Speaker 1: outcome of the story.
26:14
Speaker 2: I mean I don't. Yes, absolutely, I think she feels
26:18
Speaker 2: she contributed in some way to the outcome of the story.
26:20
Speaker 1: Good or bad.
26:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think she felt like it was an
26:23
Speaker 2: entirely bad thing. I mean, like there was there was
26:25
Speaker 2: pressure on Scott Peterson at this point, you know, and
26:29
Speaker 2: everybody was kind of talking about this. I don't know
26:33
Speaker 2: that she necessarily had has any guilty feelings about.
26:36
Speaker 1: I hope not. I certainly hope not.
26:39
Speaker 2: But like I think it's you know, it's also look,
26:41
Speaker 2: I mean, she's also a journalist and her job was
26:43
Speaker 2: to hold Scott's feet to the fire. And I think
26:45
Speaker 2: she did a pretty good job of that too, And
26:48
Speaker 2: that's not an easy thing to do necessarily.
26:50
Speaker 1: So was she scared because she said something? She was
26:52
Speaker 1: walking into a house, and when she walked out of it,
26:54
Speaker 1: she was sure he did it. Now you're not carrying
26:57
Speaker 1: I assume, and you're a journalist going to someone's house, right,
27:01
Speaker 1: you're going to I mean, that's I don't know that
27:04
Speaker 1: I could pull that off. She's walking straight in to
27:08
Speaker 1: this person that that you know, could have murdered his
27:10
Speaker 1: wife an unborn child. That's pretty ballsy.
27:14
Speaker 2: She's she's incredibly good at her job, and she clearly
27:18
Speaker 2: watch a firecracker.
27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:20
Speaker 2: I think maybe she thought about it, but I think
27:22
Speaker 2: she probably thought about it more after the interview was finished.
27:26
Speaker 2: Like you go in and you're like, I want to
27:27
Speaker 2: get the truth, and then you walk out and you're like,
27:29
Speaker 2: hang on this.
27:29
Speaker 1: Guy, holy holy Yeah. Yeah, mommy, So there's a whole
27:36
Speaker 1: other part that you focused on and we touched in
27:39
Speaker 1: her a but I just couldn't. It was hard to watch.
27:42
Speaker 1: But part of it, like when Sharon made the two lists,
27:45
Speaker 1: you know, like did he do it? Did he not
27:48
Speaker 1: do it? And it came up the list was longer
27:51
Speaker 1: that like this, that's like a specific thing that she's
27:54
Speaker 1: sharing with us. And those are the kind of moments
27:56
Speaker 1: that for me felt very just like emotional, you know,
28:00
Speaker 1: as to know that that she you know, she was
28:03
Speaker 1: willing to talk about that. It just felt very intimate
28:05
Speaker 1: and a detail that maybe wasn't important to the you know,
28:08
Speaker 1: trajectory of the story, but that made me feel attached
28:12
Speaker 1: to her right like in that way.
28:15
Speaker 2: And to you know, a mother's anguish to anyone's yes.
28:18
Speaker 1: Yes.
28:19
Speaker 2: It's such a tiny detail, but to remember it twenty
28:23
Speaker 2: years later that you made this list those are yes yes,
28:27
Speaker 2: And that list clearly was something very important to her
28:32
Speaker 2: because it brought up all these reasons of like things
28:35
Speaker 2: that she had seen in Scott that maybe she should
28:38
Speaker 2: have talked to Lacey about, but because she saw lady
28:41
Speaker 2: was so in love with him, you know, she didn't
28:44
Speaker 2: talk about it.
28:44
Speaker 1: And oh when she talked about how she shouldn't, lazy
28:47
Speaker 1: said should I get married to my too young?
28:49
Speaker 2: M hmm, yeah, I mean the regret, you know, it's
28:53
Speaker 2: all it's all over the place there, isn't it. And
28:55
Speaker 2: she was just like, no, whatever you want, whatever you want.
28:58
Speaker 1: I hope not, I hope. I hope she's not living
29:00
Speaker 1: in anything. But you know, obviously grief.
29:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's I think it's
29:06
Speaker 2: impossible not to live with something, you know. But but
29:11
Speaker 2: Sharon lives a happy life.
29:13
Speaker 1: Good. Really, I'm glad to hear that.
29:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's doing well. And with Lacey's friends, like
29:20
Speaker 2: they're all a little a little family of their own
29:23
Speaker 2: and so they're very very close to this day.
29:39
Speaker 1: We saw Lacey's stepfather. I don't know that we saw
29:42
Speaker 1: Lacey's father.
29:43
Speaker 2: No, he was not in the documentary that.
29:45
Speaker 1: He wasn't interested in it.
29:46
Speaker 2: No, And her stepfather wasn't in because he's passed.
29:48
Speaker 1: Away, got it. But they showed I want to say,
29:51
Speaker 1: there were clips of him. Weren't there of her stepfather? Yes? Yeah, yeah,
29:57
Speaker 1: pictures of him.
29:57
Speaker 2: And right, remember exactly the year that he passed away,
30:01
Speaker 2: but it was a few years ago, so he had
30:04
Speaker 2: He was there when they were searching for Lacey. He
30:06
Speaker 2: and Sharon were kind of there in lockstep together.
30:10
Speaker 1: And what about her father.
30:12
Speaker 2: Her father was up too, and he was, you know,
30:14
Speaker 2: he was searching for her. He was very much involved
30:19
Speaker 2: with any kind of media presence that they were putting
30:22
Speaker 2: out there, and he was very emotional about about her
30:24
Speaker 2: being gone, but didn't want to participate in the document Yeah.
30:27
Speaker 1: So interesting. I mean I hope that it must be.
30:31
Speaker 1: I can't imagine being you, first of all, and trying
30:33
Speaker 1: to talk to these people and hold your shit together, right,
30:37
Speaker 1: And he said it took a couple of years to
30:40
Speaker 1: get everyone on board. But I'm so glad you did.
30:44
Speaker 1: When they watched it, did they feel good about it? Like,
30:47
Speaker 1: did they say to you because it did show it
30:49
Speaker 1: from it was about Lacey r and not about Scott.
30:53
Speaker 1: I hope they felt great about that.
30:55
Speaker 2: I know, Sharon did. I mean I had reached out
30:57
Speaker 2: to her, you know, before the show came out. I
31:00
Speaker 2: was in a lot of contact with her and Anne,
31:02
Speaker 2: with Lacey's friends, and I said, look, I can you
31:07
Speaker 2: don't have to watch it, but it is told her
31:10
Speaker 2: when it was coming out, and she ended up watching it.
31:13
Speaker 2: They all came together and watched it together, and she
31:17
Speaker 2: did say, you know, thank you for making it about
31:20
Speaker 2: Lazy because so many times I think people have said
31:22
Speaker 2: this is going to be about Lacey and have asked
31:24
Speaker 2: her to do interviews and she's declined, and then watch
31:27
Speaker 2: it whatever show comes out, and it hasn't been so
31:29
Speaker 2: much about Lacey. So she does feel good about about
31:32
Speaker 2: doing the interview and about the approach that we took
31:35
Speaker 2: and that we really did highlight Lacey as the most
31:38
Speaker 2: important element in the film in the.
31:40
Speaker 1: Series, even just talking about her wanting the wedding to
31:44
Speaker 1: be so perfect, was she just looked like a little
31:47
Speaker 1: dull you know, she was so and I don't remember.
31:51
Speaker 1: Obviously I remember the story, but I don't remember thinking
31:53
Speaker 1: that much about her and what she was like. I
31:56
Speaker 1: just remember at the time, like the disbelief, like really
31:59
Speaker 1: did this huzz and for what reason? And then the
32:03
Speaker 1: well she's not I guess she wasn't a mistress, but
32:04
Speaker 1: then the amber of it all and not really taking
32:07
Speaker 1: the time to think about this person and her family. So,
32:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I'm so glad that I
32:15
Speaker 1: was able to see that, you know, I think it's
32:18
Speaker 1: and I'm noticing that now. Well, certainly you're you're a
32:24
Speaker 1: big you're a big documentarian. Is that look at me?
32:29
Speaker 1: Go right? So when you approach stuff like this, are
32:33
Speaker 1: you usually sort of guided by I want to tell
32:36
Speaker 1: this story differently or I want to give the audience
32:39
Speaker 1: a different perspective.
32:41
Speaker 2: Definitely, And also just you know, I'm very committed to
32:45
Speaker 2: victim forward stories. I feel like there's been a lack
32:49
Speaker 2: of those. I mean, now now we're getting to a
32:51
Speaker 2: point where we're telling stories from victims perspectives a little
32:55
Speaker 2: bit more. But that's very important to me. Women. You know,
32:59
Speaker 2: any women's issues look and they don't have to be
33:03
Speaker 2: the heroes of the story. They can be the villains
33:04
Speaker 2: of the stories. But showing complicated, interesting women is very
33:08
Speaker 2: important to me. And really giving giving a voice to
33:11
Speaker 2: the voiceless or a different perspective to something that's been
33:15
Speaker 2: that's been kind of out there in the same sort
33:18
Speaker 2: of narrative for quite some time. So all those things
33:20
Speaker 2: are really important to me.
33:21
Speaker 1: That's well well done, because I feel like that's absolutely
33:25
Speaker 1: You're very welcome. So this is just I'm telling you,
33:29
Speaker 1: like you watch this and to our listeners, if you
33:31
Speaker 1: haven't watched, you must. But there was some aspects of it,
33:37
Speaker 1: and I wonder if they struck you that, like the
33:39
Speaker 1: tapes you had the actual voices from Scott and his
33:45
Speaker 1: and the brother in law when right talking about Amber
33:47
Speaker 1: and that were so chilling, and Lacey's voice, I don't
33:53
Speaker 1: think it well wasn't Was it Lazy's actual voice that
33:55
Speaker 1: you had she was writing in her journals? No, that
33:59
Speaker 1: was an actor, Okay, we in hired an actress, reen actman. Okay.
34:03
Speaker 1: I mean it felt like were those her words?
34:05
Speaker 2: Those were her words? Yeah? And that was her journal
34:07
Speaker 2: and those were her words. Yeah.
34:09
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean when she said, you know, Scott said
34:12
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be a parent. But you know,
34:15
Speaker 1: I think he whatever she said, we'll get used to
34:17
Speaker 1: it or something, or he's just not excited right now. Okay,
34:20
Speaker 1: So you I guess no one can know this for sure,
34:22
Speaker 1: but if anyone knows, maybe you do. So how much
34:24
Speaker 1: of this do you think was about the fact that
34:25
Speaker 1: he didn't want a kid? And how much? Oh, I'll
34:30
Speaker 1: let you into that, and then I have got to
34:31
Speaker 1: ask you about something else.
34:32
Speaker 2: Okay, I think I think a lot of it was.
34:35
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the only it's the only reason I
34:37
Speaker 2: can come up with, honestly, is that he just felt
34:41
Speaker 2: such a tie like that having a child with this
34:45
Speaker 2: woman would be a tie that he couldn't step away
34:47
Speaker 2: from for whatever reason he came up with. So I
34:51
Speaker 2: absolutely feel that that that is what sort of prompted
34:54
Speaker 2: him to commit this murder.
34:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, even more than Amber.
34:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because I didn't know if he really imagined
35:01
Speaker 2: himself in a long term relate. I don't think he
35:03
Speaker 2: wanted to be in a long term relationship. I don't
35:05
Speaker 2: think he wanted to settle down. I don't think he
35:07
Speaker 2: wanted to have a family, and so he found himself
35:10
Speaker 2: in this situation where he was married to this woman
35:14
Speaker 2: and having a baby, and I don't think he wanted
35:17
Speaker 2: to be there.
35:18
Speaker 1: A lot of men don't. I mean, we've already touched
35:20
Speaker 1: on this, but like that's your answer. That is what's
35:23
Speaker 1: so hard. It's like, okay, you know, like say what
35:27
Speaker 1: what I thought was fascinating also and very upsetting. So
35:30
Speaker 1: I had no idea that pregnant women are more likely
35:35
Speaker 1: to what are.
35:36
Speaker 2: The now the number one cause of death for pregnant.
35:38
Speaker 1: Women on side? How is that possible? How is that possible?
35:45
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I'm trying to think of the
35:47
Speaker 1: logistics of that. How is that possible? More than complications
35:52
Speaker 1: more than it's crazy.
35:54
Speaker 2: I didn't know that's statistic either, and I was like,
35:57
Speaker 2: this can't be right. This must be a.
35:58
Speaker 1: Statistic, right, That's what I thought. How is that possible?
36:01
Speaker 2: It's absolutely true.
36:02
Speaker 1: It's really good information. Not it's not fun information, but
36:05
Speaker 1: good information to have. I think it's important information to have, right,
36:11
Speaker 1: Because that was quite astounding to me.
36:14
Speaker 2: I know, I know me too, and I think it's
36:16
Speaker 2: one of the driving reasons why we made the documentary.
36:20
Speaker 2: Why Sharon Roach wanted to be a part of the documentary.
36:24
Speaker 2: Was to really shed light on that, because that is
36:26
Speaker 2: just statistic we have never heard before.
36:30
Speaker 1: I've never heard that before.
36:32
Speaker 2: I know, you hear how many people are raped, you know, yeah,
36:36
Speaker 2: or people women who are raped right three now probably.
36:40
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, is that really true? Oh god?
36:43
Speaker 2: And it's something like ninety five percent Now people are
36:46
Speaker 2: from people they know over trust. I mean, so they're
36:49
Speaker 2: all sorts of crazy statistics out there, but I've never
36:51
Speaker 2: heard that one before.
36:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was hard to hear. And yeah,
36:56
Speaker 1: I had to sit back and think that through a
36:58
Speaker 1: little bit. I was like, are you sure about that? Yeah,
37:02
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, there's the thing about this
37:05
Speaker 1: whole thing that could keep me up at night and
37:08
Speaker 1: I don't know that you can never get the answer
37:10
Speaker 1: to it. But is you know, how did how did
37:14
Speaker 1: he turn or was he always a psychopath or did
37:18
Speaker 1: he turn into one when he felt trapped? And those
37:21
Speaker 1: people that that's statistic is that men that feel trapped
37:24
Speaker 1: that are that are murdering their their wives.
37:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what I would guess, is that
37:29
Speaker 2: he just felt trapped, trapped by the whole thing, and
37:32
Speaker 2: that's what pushed him to do. But yeah, and maybe
37:34
Speaker 2: it's all the men that feel that way, who kill
37:37
Speaker 2: their wives, who have their babies.
37:39
Speaker 1: I mean, unbelievable. So I know you know this, but
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Speaker 1: the uh, the Los Angeles Innocent Project, I believe it's
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Speaker 1: called the Innocent Project, right, So they say that there
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Speaker 1: is new evidence and I believe it's attached to the
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Speaker 1: burglaries maybe, is that correct?
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Speaker 2: It is correct, yeah, And that they came out publicly
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Speaker 2: with that right around the time that the film came out,
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Speaker 2: that they were taking Scott On as a client. I
38:03
Speaker 2: think it is important just to put out there that
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Speaker 2: this is the Los Angeles Innocence.
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Speaker 1: Project, right, It's not the it's not the Yes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they're just a little smaller, they haven't
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Speaker 2: been around for quite so long. Not to diminish anything
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Speaker 2: that they're doing at all, but but it is different
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Speaker 2: from some of these bigger, high profile cases that they have.
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Speaker 2: They found the man innocent or the perpetrator, the alleged
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Speaker 2: perpetrator innocent after spending years and years.
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Speaker 1: What was that that they claim there's DNA evidence? Is
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Speaker 1: that correct?
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Speaker 2: So there's there was a van There's a few things
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Speaker 2: that I don't know if I know it one hundred
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Speaker 2: percent but there was a van that was found a
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Speaker 2: mile or less than a mile away from their house
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Speaker 2: that was burned out, that there was DNA that was
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Speaker 2: never tested, So they wanted to test that DNA. As
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Speaker 2: far as I know, and I could be wrong here,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that DNA. I don't think that
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Speaker 2: DNA has come back with a positive match to Lacey.
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it has. And so there were there
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Speaker 2: was that there was. I mean, for a long time,
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Speaker 2: the Peterson family has has said that there were misrepresentations
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Speaker 2: in some of these witness testimonies, that there were witnesses
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Speaker 2: that saw Lacey and the dog walking after Scott had
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Speaker 2: left the house. We had all those witness testimonies. We
39:23
Speaker 2: had the mailman testimony that said that the gate was
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Speaker 2: open right in people and we'd talked to the police
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Speaker 2: officers and they said, look, yes, people saw a woman
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Speaker 2: walking a dog. Some people thought she was pregnant, some
39:37
Speaker 2: people thought it was a lapse, some people thought it
39:39
Speaker 2: was a German shepherd. Like there was never anybody who
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Speaker 2: knew Lacy Peterson, knew the dog and without a doubt
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Speaker 2: said we saw Lacy Peterson walking this dog after Scott
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Speaker 2: had left for his work that day. So the sisters
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Speaker 2: who've been able to find some inconsistencies, we were never able.
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Speaker 1: To find those. How does Scott's sister sister law feel
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Speaker 1: about the documentaries? You get backlash from them? Did they
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Speaker 1: know that it was going to be really lazy based?
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Speaker 2: I mean I told them it was going to be
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Speaker 2: very lazy based initially when I started, you know, I said, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell the most truthful story i can.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to look into Scott and if there's evidence
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Speaker 2: there that points to his innocence, I'm going to put
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Speaker 2: that forward. I know that they felt that this was
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Speaker 2: a story that has been told one hundred times over
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Speaker 2: and that it's not the real story. Yeah, that their
40:28
Speaker 2: perspective wasn't wasn't fully sort of put out there, and
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Speaker 2: I know they feel that way.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you're a genius. Geez, what are you working on now?
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Speaker 2: I'm working on a couple of things. I've got a
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Speaker 2: show that I just finished. I can't tell you what
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Speaker 2: it is at this moment in time.
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Speaker 1: Come on, It's fine, Okay, it's going.
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Speaker 2: To be It's going to be out probably July or August,
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Speaker 2: and the three part series.
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Speaker 1: On Netflix, and you are like the queen of the genre.
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Speaker 1: No I know, and I have my producers are telling
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Speaker 1: me I have to rap unfortunately, But I can't tell
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Speaker 1: you how much I appreciate your coming on truly, and
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Speaker 1: I just I was so touched. I was horrified. I
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Speaker 1: was all the things that I guess when you watch
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Speaker 1: true crime. But I did feel, if anything, like just
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Speaker 1: closer to Lacey. And I'm glad that I I had
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Speaker 1: a chance to get to know her right and like
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Speaker 1: really get to know her friends. And I love that
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Speaker 1: about probably most of all about.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. It all worthwhile.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, thank you, thank you, thank you. Come back please,
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Speaker 1: I will thank you. Okay, okay, be well,