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Not So Fast Episode 14 · Not So Fast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories.
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  Speaker 2: Of the day.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz. Not so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff.
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  Speaker 3: He is Paul Paps. NFL Week 2 is almost in
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  Speaker 3: the books. Paul, what do we got cooking?
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  Speaker 4: Bonus coverage today. Peter Burns from the SEC Network, the
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  Speaker 4: anchor down there. He's going to get us recapped Ole Miss, LSU,
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  Speaker 4: and the whole week forward for SEC and college football.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I want to start.
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  Speaker 3: Three minutes, 11 seconds left in overtime. Colts, Chiefs. Colts
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  Speaker 3: face fourth and eight and decide to go for the
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  Speaker 3: field goal. Paul, what was your reaction to this key
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  Speaker 3: play in the game?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it looked like they're going for it. They kind
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  Speaker 4: of pump fake us, the fans and the Colts fans
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  Speaker 4: at home. I see them setting up like great for
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  Speaker 4: the Colts. Try to steal this win. National TV. You've
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  Speaker 4: had a bad run of it the past few months
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  Speaker 4: of last year. Daniel Jones is there. And then they
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  Speaker 4: wave it off like. They didn't see the right setup.
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  Speaker 4: Can't you have two plays called? And you have to
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  Speaker 4: think to yourself, if we don't try for this play,
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  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes gets the ball back if we get a
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  Speaker 4: field goal. He has to go 30 yards and hand
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  Speaker 4: it to Harrison Bucker, who can kick it from 65
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  Speaker 4: and maybe more. It seemed like they chose to lose
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  Speaker 4: almost rather than even try to win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, the Chiefs did go on to do
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  Speaker 2: exactly that.
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  Speaker 4: But you expected that, right?
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  Speaker 2: Of course. You knew it was over.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is that play, 4th and 8th. It wasn't
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  Speaker 3: fourth and one. It was fourth and eight. I looked
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  Speaker 3: up some numbers. Historically, NFL teams, 39% on fourth and eight.
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  Speaker 3: But a couple things. Alec Pierce went down, the Colts receiver.
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  Speaker 3: So they were stuck playing Laquan Treadwell, who had caught
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  Speaker 3: a long pass and fumbled the ball and not fumbled.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't have their full receiving core.
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  Speaker 3: The Chiefs had the red zone behind them, so they
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  Speaker 3: couldn't go long. This was a very, very— they had about
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  Speaker 3: a 20% chance of hitting this play ball. And they
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  Speaker 3: had probably about a 20% chance of stopping the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 3: I think he made a calculated risk and decided.
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  Speaker 2: Why am I going to go for a fourth and eight?
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  Speaker 2: We have very little chance.
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  Speaker 4: I think this is one of those rare cases where
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  Speaker 4: analytics don't work out for you. I think you trump
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  Speaker 4: it with gut because gut gets you credit. Let's say
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  Speaker 4: you try that play and you get a first down.
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  Speaker 4: You don't even need a touchdown there. And you get
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  Speaker 4: a first down or you get a touchdown and you
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  Speaker 4: steal this win that you shouldn't have gotten. I think
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  Speaker 4: the home fans and maybe even the national fans will
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  Speaker 4: give you credit for having the guts to go for it. Now,
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  Speaker 4: guts doesn't keep you employed, but you know if you
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  Speaker 4: give it back to Mahomes, the odds, are you saying
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  Speaker 4: I'm backing my defense? Yeah, but let's not kid each other.
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  Speaker 4: Mahomes needs 30 yards. That's not a problem.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's saying, no, I don't think Daniel Jones
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  Speaker 3: is going to be able to complete a pass against
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  Speaker 3: his own defense. He was looking for the blitz, which
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  Speaker 3: Jones did well against, but there were a lot of
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  Speaker 3: problems with Indy on that drive. They got the long
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  Speaker 3: pass to Treadwell, and then they had a minus-one-yard run
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  Speaker 3: and a minus-two-yard run.
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  Speaker 2: That's where the game was decided. Jonathan Taylor was great
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  Speaker 2: all night. Then he got stuffed on two key plays.
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  Speaker 3: Then Daniel Jones scrambled for a few yards. Paul, my
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  Speaker 3: gut said the same thing as Syken. They were not
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  Speaker 3: about to make that first down.
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  Speaker 4: A couple things here. I think we all realized last
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  Speaker 4: night that Laquan Treadwell was still in the league. I
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  Speaker 4: had no idea. This play looked like a great play
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  Speaker 4: for the Colts. to a bad play for the Colts
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  Speaker 4: and a win for the Chiefs. And was that a
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  Speaker 4: correct replay? Because I know you have some problems with
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  Speaker 4: the replay officials these days.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the question was, when did he have possession of
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  Speaker 3: the ball? And was the Chiefs defender touching his hip?
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  Speaker 3: It is a game of centimeters, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: And milliseconds. It was like a hip grazing, not even
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  Speaker 4: a touching, but they said, he's down.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that whole thing got the Colts off
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  Speaker 3: their game because the next two plays were a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I think the fourth down play was going
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  Speaker 2: to be a disaster. You might as well let your
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  Speaker 2: defense try and do something. Now, you're right. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs were going to come down and score. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, Shane Steichen is very smart.
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  Speaker 2: He knew they were not about to convert.
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  Speaker 4: But that sends such a bad message for your quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: I know Daniel Jones, the first half of last year
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  Speaker 4: before the injury, looked amazing. as good as Daniel Jones
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  Speaker 4: can look, which may be not high-end football. But in
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  Speaker 4: the postgame, I saw Daniel Jones. He looked, like, not
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  Speaker 4: just defeated, but, like, uninspired. Like, he didn't have any backing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what Daniel Jones' primetime record is, Paul?
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  Speaker 4: Probably, like, 1-5.
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  Speaker 2: You'd think that. More like 1-15.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Or at least teams he's been on are 1-15 primetime.
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  Speaker 2: I had the 5-1. He can never win in primetime.
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  Speaker 2: He is snakebitten.
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  Speaker 3: But the Colts, I think the Colts are not a
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  Speaker 3: bad team. They've lost at Baltimore and at Kansas City.
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  Speaker 2: That's two hard assignments. And last night, they gave the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs everything they had. I would even argue they were
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  Speaker 2: maybe the better team on the field, and the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: are probably going to the Super Bowl. So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: dead on the Colts.
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  Speaker 4: That is a warm take early.
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  Speaker 1: You're hot.
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  Speaker 4: Shout out to Kansas. All right, let's go to maybe
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  Speaker 4: some negatives and how negative are they. What game do
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  Speaker 4: you want to go next?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I know you're a Bears fan, and
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  Speaker 2: this might hurt your feelings, but there was pretty big negative,
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  Speaker 2: a couple big negatives.
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  Speaker 3: The outcome, Vikings win 9-3. Caleb Williams' injury, I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was dunzo for the year. I thought this was
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  Speaker 3: all over. You could hear the screaming on the TV copy.
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  Speaker 2: Paul, what was your reaction?
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  Speaker 4: Well, he didn't get touched, which makes it even worse.
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  Speaker 4: The field was in terrible condition. He didn't grab anything
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  Speaker 4: when he went down. And then he rolls over Caleb
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  Speaker 4: Williams and screams right there, as you could hear. The
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  Speaker 4: crowd is deadly silent. And, of course, you're thinking, I
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  Speaker 4: think we're conditioned to think that's an Achilles tear and
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  Speaker 4: it's over, Johnny. I think that's what the average Bear
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  Speaker 4: fan thinks. And maybe even a casual fan thought when
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  Speaker 4: they saw his reaction. And then they go instantly to
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  Speaker 4: the cart. The cart is usually extreme injury.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a premature cart, I feel like. And
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  Speaker 2: also his reaction, a lot of people are, I hate
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  Speaker 2: to say it, making fun of Caleb a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: He looked like he was crying, had a towel over
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  Speaker 2: his head. Usually you reserve that for a very, very
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  Speaker 2: serious injury.
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  Speaker 4: So it appears that it's a hamstring injury and not
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  Speaker 4: a knee or Achilles that would take him out for
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  Speaker 4: the season. And when he left the field and he's
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  Speaker 4: on the cart, he had the towel over the head.
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  Speaker 4: removes the towel, tears around the face, at least choked up,
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  Speaker 4: and then does the, I got you guys, to the fans.
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  Speaker 4: that made me think even more so that it was
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  Speaker 4: an Achilles tear. And you're saying now it's not going,
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  Speaker 4: even though from multiple reports say it's just a hamstring
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  Speaker 4: and maybe not even a serious hamstring.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's a report that he might be available for
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  Speaker 2: week three. That's next week, Paul.
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  Speaker 4: This might be the weirdest thing of the week in
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  Speaker 4: pro football. The Bears quarterback who the Bears fans thought
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  Speaker 4: was out for the season is actually going to be
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  Speaker 4: okay and maybe miss a week. But now Caleb Williams
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  Speaker 4: has to deal with being an internet sensation on social
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  Speaker 4: media for You know, like I saw a post today,
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  Speaker 4: I stepped on a Lego, but I'll be fine. And
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  Speaker 4: it was a guy crying like Caleb Williams.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw, oh, I burnt my tongue on coffee.
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  Speaker 3: And then it's Caleb Williams. You know, one thing, hamstring
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  Speaker 3: injuries slow you down. They are very reliant on Caleb
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  Speaker 3: running around.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That could be a real issue. Like, we're making fun
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  Speaker 3: of Caleb Williams right now. You cut his mobility out,
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  Speaker 3: then I think you have some problems in Chicago. Did
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  Speaker 3: the whole Bears are going to be this dominant offense
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  Speaker 3: thing fall apart after Sunday?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's a bigger story. Caleb Williams' injury is sucking
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  Speaker 4: all the life out of this story. But the fact
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  Speaker 4: that 59-3 in Week 2, now the good news is
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  Speaker 4: they're averaging 31 points a game on offense over.
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  Speaker 2: The course of the week.
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  Speaker 3: I had a thought that Caleb Williams has been reading
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  Speaker 3: his own headlines, too, because on the interception, he rolled right,
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  Speaker 3: and he had a guy 20 yards out and just
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  Speaker 3: flung it. It's an impossible pass in the rain, and
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  Speaker 3: of course it got picked off. I think Caleb thinks
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  Speaker 3: he could do anything, and maybe this brings him down
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  Speaker 3: to earth.
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  Speaker 4: He does have unlimited confidence, and against a good defense.
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  Speaker 4: This was a quality defense. The Vikings are almost always
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  Speaker 4: a quality defense, but if you look at it, they
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  Speaker 4: were all over him the whole way, and Bears fans
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  Speaker 4: are in this mode now where It's not just the injury.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, what did I see the first 59 minutes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then it was tough, tough assignment for Tyson Bajan
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  Speaker 3: to come in at the end and try and win
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  Speaker 3: the game.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's a calamity in Chicago. To me,
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  Speaker 2: it was a rain. We'll get more into the rain later.
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  Speaker 2: But there is a calamity out there in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: And I know you know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 4: We held up as long as we can. The Chargers,
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  Speaker 4: we talked about this on Friday's show. We said Monday's
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  Speaker 4: lead today, what would be the worst thing that could happen?
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  Speaker 4: And it's the Chargers losing to the Raiders. And For
• 7:41
  Speaker 4: the second week in a row, the Chargers lose 26-14.
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  Speaker 4: Even their scores are boring. And they were unthreatening the
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  Speaker 4: whole way. This wasn't some fluke win that the Vegas
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  Speaker 4: didn't deserve. Cousins looked great, and Justin Herbert looked average.
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  Speaker 4: And average is probably a compliment. Look at this pass.
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  Speaker 1: Just.
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  Speaker 4: All over the place, that's a RCI, classic RCI receiver-caused interception.
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  Speaker 3: That one wasn't on him. There was another one that
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: was on him. But he generally doesn't look comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't look poised.
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  Speaker 3: Fourth quarter of the game, I had more faith in
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  Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins at 38 than Justin Herbert, who Jim Harbaugh
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  Speaker 3: kept telling me is the best quarterback in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: I guess not, because right now he looks well below average.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we're going to look at the schedule here coming
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  Speaker 4: up for the Chargers, because it is brutal. And you
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  Speaker 4: can't really see them really going above. 500 at halfway
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  Speaker 4: point through the season. Bills, Seahawks. It just goes on
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  Speaker 4: and on.
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  Speaker 2: 0-9 is on the table. 0-9. 0-9.
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  Speaker 4: And the Jets are better than we think. I want
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  Speaker 4: to go away from the Chargers and get to the quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think we've seen Justin Herbert's best work?
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  Speaker 3: He had 38 touchdowns one season. No, I think he's
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  Speaker 3: got all the physical skills in the world. I thought
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  Speaker 3: he was going to be good with Mike McDaniel, but no,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we've seen his best work because he's
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: never done anything in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: How about the Chargers season? 0-2, can they get out
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  Speaker 4: of this one?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think it's, I think, no, that was the
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  Speaker 3: two easiest games. They had the two easiest games of
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  Speaker 3: any team in the NFL. They hosted Arizona and Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: You can't win those two games. How are you going
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  Speaker 3: to get out of that division?
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  Speaker 2: Casey is back. Denver is back. And now the Raiders
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  Speaker 2: are good. No, no, I mean, listen, am I going
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  Speaker 2: to regret this?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think? Do you think that
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  Speaker 2: they have a shot?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's too, the odds are too much against it.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have like an easy game in the mix.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have a Miami game in the mix. Or
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  Speaker 4: even a Cleveland played better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's try to be positive a little bit here,
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  Speaker 4: a little negative on not-so-fast Paps and Perloff. Let's do
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  Speaker 4: some helmet stickers. You're first.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers had a dominant win over Atlanta. There were
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  Speaker 3: several helmet-stickers you could go to. Bryce Young was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd, the linebacker, was dominant.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm going with my buddy, Darren Waller, tight end.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if everyone even knew. He signed with
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  Speaker 3: Carolina right before the season started.
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  Speaker 2: Two touchdowns. Had a bunch of touchdowns last year with Miami.
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  Speaker 2: He's really, really good.
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  Speaker 3: And actually, Carolina's really good now, and their offense is
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  Speaker 3: something to be dealt with.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't wait to see Darren Waller in there.
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  Speaker 4: They just need a little bit of defense, but that
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  Speaker 4: offense looks great. And if you look at the career
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  Speaker 4: of Bryce Young, he was declared a bust at one
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  Speaker 4: point in his sophomore year of the pros. And now
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  Speaker 4: it's like he's going to be getting himself a contract.
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to get the full
• 10:07
  Speaker 4: boat 275, but he may get one of those mid-level
• 10:09
  Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield contracts.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's week to week in the sense that
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: when you play Atlanta, I think I could get $ 30
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: million a year for playing Atlanta. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: Bryce Young, it's an interesting team. They could win that division.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's looked great there, so they have a great shot.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, New Orleans is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny, all of a sudden we have a Carolina-New
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  Speaker 2: Orleans battle in the NFC South.
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  Speaker 4: That's as weird as it gets. My helmet sticker, not
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  Speaker 4: a surprise. Bengals wide receiver Jamar Chase, unbelievable catch. Watch
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  Speaker 4: this catch because the first time I saw it, I
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: didn't even think it was reality. There's Jamar Chase looking
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  Speaker 4: beautiful with his helmet sticker. But he is, I think,
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  Speaker 4: the guy who people trust in a situation like this.
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  Speaker 4: Look at the turn on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And he turned, kept them both in, and brought it
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  Speaker 4: in all in the same motion. Slow motion almost hurts
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: that play because in fast motion, or regular motion as
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  Speaker 4: you like to call it.
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  Speaker 3: That was freakish. Yeah, no, he didn't do anything week one.
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: He wasn't even part of the game plan. So they
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  Speaker 3: emphasized him. That was a tough game. That was a
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  Speaker 3: key play, too, because they were not moving the ball
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  Speaker 3: well against Houston. I know it looked like a dominant
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  Speaker 3: win for Cincinnati, but Houston's defense was back to being
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: Houston's defense, and Chase saved them two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we're going to talk a lot more college
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  Speaker 4: football in a second, but the college football, the game
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  Speaker 4: of the year in maybe all sports, that nine-month buildup
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  Speaker 4: to Lane Kiffin returning to Oxford, Mississippi, was fantastic. It
• 11:24
  Speaker 4: was one of those games where it was an all-day buildup.
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  Speaker 4: You're watching the different shows, watching Lane Kiffin on different shows,
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: watching the crowd reactions. to him getting off the bus,
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: and then the game itself, you're hoping, I hope this
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  Speaker 4: isn't a disappointment. And it wasn't, because Ole Miss came
• 11:37
  Speaker 4: out gunning. They were just whipping them really early, and
• 11:40
  Speaker 4: it looked like it was borderline blowout. And then two
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  Speaker 4: touchdowns in the third quarter by LSU, and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: now we have a game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, game of the year. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: college football. There'll be another game of the year next week.
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  Speaker 4: Build-up of the year.
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  Speaker 3: The build-up of the year, right. The grudge match of
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: the year. I thought for a while there that Mississippi
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: was going to blow them out. I think they sort
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  Speaker 3: of laid back and let LSU get back into that game.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it felt like Trinidad Chambliss, the Ole Miss quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: could have taken over at any time and won the game.
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  Speaker 4: And he did close it out. Chambliss closed it out.
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  Speaker 4: They did the two-point conversion, which was really gutsy. But Chambliss,
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: put your arms up because you. You probably earned your
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: invite to New York City. It's way, way early, but
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  Speaker 4: you may be the Sept Heisman winner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure either of these teams are going
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  Speaker 2: to be there in the end.
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  Speaker 3: LSU looked amazing against Clemson, but Clemson's probably not that great.
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  Speaker 2: One thing about LSU, Sam Levitt's coming into Lane Kiffin offense.
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  Speaker 3: You can see it takes time to get used to that,
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  Speaker 3: where Trinidad Chambliss knows that system really well at Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know. Do you expect either team to
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: be there at the end?
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  Speaker 4: I think that whole league kind of consumes itself, and
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: you've got to go on one of those runs. But
• 12:40
  Speaker 4: at least Ole Miss is in position to go on
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: a run.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. All right.
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: This is not going to be pretty, but we may
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: have witnessed the worst loss of all time in college
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: football on Saturday.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: We're not kidding. We'll talk about it next. Not so fast.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: Here we go, Pearl. The midday pick me up. I'm
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: not so fast. I love this one. Little Pittsburgh Pirates.
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: You're a big Pirate fan down the line. That's saucy.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: It's the end of the year. Why not?
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: Ryan O'Hearn, yeah. What is it going to cost you?
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: A playoff?
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it doesn't work, eh, so what?
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: Good-looking uniforms. Great win there by your Pirates. That was fun.
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: All right, back on Not So Fast. It's time for
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: some warm takes on Pabst. He's Perloff. I will go first.
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: It's warm take time. I'm going to go right down
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: to a guy I've warmed take before on this show.
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: We're only not even a month in. Bill Belichick, you
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: had a great opportunity. It's been an awful season for
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: UNC football off the field. Every week someone resigns, not
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: by choice. investigations all over the place. But you beat
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: TCU in Ireland. Then you beat East Tennessee State. And
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: you're up pretty well against Clemson the other day before
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: the rain delay, power delay. And if you could have
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: closed that game out, UNC football, you're 3-0 with a
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: bye week and Notre Dame coming to town in two
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: weeks from now. I don't know if game day would
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: have gone there, but they would have considered that because
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: that's Bill Belichick relevant again and Notre Dame football. Now,
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: they definitely look better, but this was one of those
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: games you can't let go. And UNC football... It might
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: go the other way because if you look at their
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: schedule coming up, the Clemson win was almost necessary for
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: positive momentum, more on the field than off. But now
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: you've got Notre Dame, Pitt, Duke, Syracuse, then the Miami Hurricane.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: So if we get to the five weeks from now
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: and they've lost four out of five when we're talking
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: about what Bill Belichick is going to do next with
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: his life, go to Nantucket or be a defensive coordinator
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: for Army, that will be the reason because this was
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: a stretch they could have gone on a run. Whether
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: they beat Notre Dame in two weeks or not, it
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: was the anticipation of doing something. That's kind of missed
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: for sports fans.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying, but they have this one
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: handicap is that they're not a good football team.
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: Not so good.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: So if they're not good, did they blow it or
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: they just kind of they're kind of average?
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Well, kind of meh.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: I would say they're like a B minus. They don't
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: they're not exciting. They don't have star players. But they
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: put up a pretty good fight against TCU in a
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: game they probably are the lesser team. And Clemson, Clemson's
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: so down. You had everybody in your corner. Dabo's people were,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: you better win this one.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Clemson just had to run their quarterback
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: on every play. I think both teams are pretty bad.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: So that Notre Dame game, honestly, it might be better
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: that they're not going for game day because Notre Dame.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: Could whoop on them. We'll see in a few weeks. Okay,
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the NFL for my first take.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: I don't want to sound like a hometown fan. I
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: am from Philadelphia, but this is purely objective. The Philadelphia
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: Eagles have an MVP candidate, and his name is Jalen.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: And it is definitely not Jalen Hurts. Jalen Carter is
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: the best defensive player in the NFL and arguably the
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: biggest force in the NFL.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: He single-handedly won this Titans game. Titans were rolling. Get
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: down to the red zone. First down, he has a
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: nine-yard sack. He just blows off his guy. Every game
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: that the Eagles win, Jalen Carter makes a play. whether
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: it's a blocked extra point, whether it's a big tackle,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: whether it's a sack, you just know looking at this guy,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: he is the best football player on the field.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Like junior football, youth football, Paul, there's that one guy
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: who's just bigger than everybody.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, and you can't stop him.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: You can't stop him.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I think Jalen Carter's off-field stuff has always hung with him,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: and his reputation may not be where it should be.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Because on the field, he is dominant. And the reason
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: the Eagles win is because of Jalen Carter. And if
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: they're going to go all the way, it's going to
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: be when Aaron Donald carried the Rams to a Super Bowl.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: He's the exact kind of player.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Right now, Paul, he's 11th in defensive player of the
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: year odds because all the pass rushers are ahead of him.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, he's better than all of
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: these players. Abdul Carter's ahead of him.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson. Daniil Hunter. No way. He affects every single play.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: So I think this warm take as a headline is
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: one of those that blow people's hair back. But you're
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: an educated sports guy, and you know how it really
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: works in the NFL. But the problem is with Jalen Carter,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: he doesn't have sack numbers. If he somehow had 11 sacks,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: he would win this award. I think the most he's
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: had is four and a half sacks in his career.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: But you're right. He pushes the entire backfield back. It
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: reminds me of prime Haloti Nada. I don't know Haloti
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Nada's sack totals. But I remember watching Haloti Nada and saying,
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: he's always in the backfield. They can't do anything against him.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: And the rest of the defense benefits from that. Zach
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Vaughn and all the linebackers. So I love this take.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: He can't win MVP. He can't win defensive MVP because
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: not enough, it's almost like you want people to go
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: deeper into the process and they usually just go, who's
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: got the most sacks?
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: So I did some stats here. MVP, the last one
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: to win was obviously Lawrence Taylor in defense. The only
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: guy who's come close is your friend, J.J. Watt, who
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: had about 20 sacks one season. Got 14 votes, came
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: in second place to Aaron Rodgers. The most recent vote,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Miles Garrett got one vote in 2023.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: All sack numbers.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm arguing right now the best player on
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: the field can be a defensive tackle. By the way,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence isn't far behind in Cincinnati. But Jalen Carter,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: to me, is just the man.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Well, I think what could help your case, if you
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: did some type of poll out there and asked assistant coaches,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: defensive coordinators, defensive line coaches, who would they want to
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: start their team with? They might not take a rush end.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: It's harder to find a Jalen Carter. It's harder to
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: find a Chris Jones than it is a good defensive end.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Also, intimidation. I'm serious. He's intimidating.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go. We're going to pull the bandaid
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: on this one. This is the end of the NC
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: State Vandy game. If you haven't seen it, you don't
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: own a phone and you're not on social media. Now,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: this is one of those plays where, let's watch it
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: one more time.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: You roll right.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: You take a knee. Oh, you almost took a knee. No,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: you fumbled right into the hands of a surprised Vanderbilt defender.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: And he just falls on the ball and they win
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: the game. As unlikely a win as you can get. Now,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: here's the thing. NC State football is kind of middle
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: of the road. They're never that good and they're never
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: that bad. They don't have a lot of star players.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: They live in the shadow of other SEC teams, even
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: ACC teams. Now you have sports immortality. You have one
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: of the most impossible losses in sports history, not just
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: college football. This will be a cautionary tale. Whenever a
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: game is lost, they'll be like, well, remember the NC
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: State play where he fumbled in the end zone of Vandy?
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: This is kind of like Leon Lett for people a
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: generation ago. If you look that up real quick on YouTube,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: you'll know what I mean. But you now have sports
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: immortality in the wrong way because most people were not watching.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: When I say most, I mean all. The end of
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: NC State versus Vandy. And then everyone said, this can't
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: be real.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: And it was.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we're talking the band is on the field,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the miracle, the Meadowlands. Now, the one thing, it's kind
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: of hard to tell what's going on. The band is
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: on the field, like when he runs in the tuba player.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yes. That's still famous 50 years later. I'm not sure
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: this will last 50 years, but it'll definitely be talked about.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: This is a little bit like the end of all
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: the right moves. Remember Ampipe football, the great high school
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: team trying to beat Walnut Heights. They had Tom Cruise.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: They ran the ball at the end zone, fumbled, lost
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: the big game. All they had to do was take
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: a safety and they win. That's the biggest comp.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Was that the early game in All the Right Moves?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: That happened in the beginning of the movie, right?
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: It's kind of in the beginning of the movie. Then
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Tom Cruise goes nuts.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I was trying to talk about the miracle of the Meadowlands.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Actually do some serious sports analysis here, Paul.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: My next warm take is also about the defensive player
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: of the year. But I am saying Jalen Carter should
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: be number one. Mother Nature itself is number two. Now,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: it's mother nature ever won an award because everyone's wondering
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: how do we get so much scoring in week one
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: of the NFL season and then go so.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Drastically the other way. If you watch the games, you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: know exactly why.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: If you have any takeaway from Chicago, Minnesota in that rain,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: you are fooling yourselves.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Guys could not get their footing. They could not catch
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: the football. Uh, I know everyone's killing Aaron Rodgers for
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: what happened in New England. Guess what?
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: The Steelers receivers could not catch the football. Raven Saints. Meanwhile,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Eagles Titans was hot. But the one that was totally
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: crazy was the Bucks and the Browns.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Free storm. Fine. Whatever happened there counts.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: After the storm, they basically tried to play two minutes
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: of football on a sponge.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: That was biblical.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, when did we have this many weather delays?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: But I'm telling you right now, do not read into
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: week two. Even Aaron Rodgers. I know everyone's killing Aaron Rodgers.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Guess what? The rain had a huge part in that game.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, Pearl, I'm going to agree with you that the
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: rain caused all the low scoring, all the messes on
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: the field. But some fan bases, I have friends who
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: are Bears fans say, well, it was the rain. It
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: was the weather conditions that kept us from scoring. The
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: other team played in the same conditions. It wasn't sunny
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: when the Vikings had the ball or when the opposition.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Had the ball.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: No, I know. People hate when I talk about weather
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and games. They're like, that's no excuse. That's fine. But
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: don't think that Caleb Williams, next time he plays.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: which might be week three, despite that major hamstring injury.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Don't think that's the kind of quarterback you're going to get.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson and that offense still could be prolific. But
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I know there are going to be analysts out there
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: who say they scored three points. They're all hype. That's
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: not true. It was disgusting on Sunday.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: And later we got to talk about grade one hamstring.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Is that better?
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: You want a grade one, a two, or a three?
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Because I think one would be great because, hey, I
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: got the best hamstring strain, not the worst.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: By the way... I can't even get into that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Tampa Bay, would you have stuck around if you were
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: a fan after that weather that was coming out?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: It looked like a hurricane and lightning and everything.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: I don't think I would have gone in the first place.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: All right, not so fast. Pabst and Perloff, let's have
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: a little game here. This is called Not So Bad,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Not So Good, Week 2 NFL Season. Let's go, how
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: about first, let's go Not So Bad, a team that
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: we're not really going to coronate, but it went pretty well.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Cleveland Browns and Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: two touchdowns, 238 yards passing. And it's a good day
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: for the Cleveland Browns. Or was it, Perloff?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely a good day.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: And not so bad because we're used to the Browns
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: being bad. So this was not so bad.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: But what if you're a fan of the Browns who's
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: not a fan of Deshaun Watson and wants him benched?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: This was the game for him to lose against the
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: team that has Baker Mayfield. It was all set for
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: this to be the benching game for Deshaun Watson. And
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: now he's a starting quarterback until he gives it up.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think any fans are saying that right now
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: because a win must feel so good for Cleveland. It's
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: been a long time. And it's not like you have
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: a number one pick. Shador is kind of iffy, too, especially.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: In that offense.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: One thing about Deshaun Watson, great numbers. I don't think
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: he threw the ball more than three yards in the
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: air the entire game.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe he should do that more often.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think defense is going to adjust. You've
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: got to be able to throw the ball downfield. So
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: it was not so bad.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I'll give you that.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go to not so good, and it's
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: a tie for not so good. Steelers and Falcons. You
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: mentioned the Steelers. It just looked unthreatening. The Aaron Rodgers,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: is that a situation yet or just a bad week?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Well, we saw a lot of this last year with
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the Steelers, too, where Aaron Rodgers just dropped.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Backs and gets destroyed.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: He can't really move at this stage of his career.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: They can't run the ball and they can't protect. So
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I know Aaron Rodgers played poorly. But the whole team
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: played poorly. I think this was a bit of an anomaly.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Bad weather. New England was coming off a loss, had
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: 10 days of rest.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: This is one of those games I would not judge
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: too harshly, although I am hearing people saying this is
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: it for Aaron Rodgers.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: He should retire. But this is the same Rodgers we've
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: seen the last two years.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Before we break, not so good. Is that a compliment
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: for what's going on with the Falcons right now?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Did you see the stat?
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: They're the only team in many, many decades not to
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: have a red zone drive in the first two games.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: They're quarterbacks combined for a quarterback rating of 28.3. It's
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: like the SATs. I think you get 400 for signing
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: your name.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, headline, they have lots of primetime games
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: coming up. I believe that the league can flex out
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: of their week five game. Which is a good thing.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: But Michael Penix is coming back. I don't know. There's
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: got to be some silver lining because right now that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: is bad football.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: That is not so good. Coming up next, a lot
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: more coming up. College football. SEC Network's host Peter Burns
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: on Ole Miss versus LSU and the rest of the
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: season coming up for the SEC. Stick around. Not so fast.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: All right. Welcome back. Not so fast. Perloff Paps. After
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: this weekend, we had to talk to our good buddy,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Peter Burns, SEC Network anchor. Peter, I understand you were
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: down in Mississippi. Is it me or do people in
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Mississippi have an issue with Lane Kiffin?
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Um it's slight it's a slight thing people were talking
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: about it but my god it was so amazing down
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: there you could just tell throughout the entire week like
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: there was this animosity of lane and this homecoming guys
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: and every single day it would ratchet up and then
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: arguably it gave us one of the best pre-game and
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: ultimately post-game environments i can remember in college football history
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: i mean that place was on fire from start.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: To finish Peter, it felt like an all-day saga. I
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: got up early to watch game day, to watch your channel,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: to watch anywhere, and I wanted to see more about Lane,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: more about the game. Getting to the game, there was
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: a point where it looked like Ole Miss was handling them.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: It was like, not a blowout, but borderline blowout. And
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: then LSU made it saucy. What did you think was
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: going to happen when the fourth quarter started?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, chaos. I mean, right?
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was 17-0, and frankly, you know, probably
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: when you talked about the environment, that had everything to
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: do with Ole Miss getting that lead, right? Ole Miss
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: was kind of like just chill. Pete Golden did a
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: good job of getting those guys ready to go, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: they were ready. Lane Kiffin's LSU Tigers looked jumpy, right?
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: That was the issue that they had. And Trinidad Chambliss
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: ended up having a huge drive right before half.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: That made it 24-17. But then LSU answers the bell.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: They come up. And I tweeted this in the middle
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: of the fourth.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Quarter going, One of two things that are going to happen,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: and Oxford is going to melt down. Either Lane Kiffin
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: is going to come from behind from 17 points, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: who knows what the hell is going to happen as
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: he's walking off if they win, or Trinidad Chambliss, who
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: looks like the best college football quarterback that we've had
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: in a long time, is going to win, and Oxford
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: might still burn down.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: And all of those things happen.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, listen, Perloff, even as famous as you are,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: it would have still cost you $ 200 to get into
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: the library that night post-game.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: You know, Pete, I almost wanted like an alternate ending,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: like a movie. And what you just said there, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: want to know what Lane Kiffin was going to do
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: if he won it at the buzzer. He's going to
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: take his clothes off and streak the quad like Will Ferrell.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: We're going up streaking to the quad, up to the gymnasium,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: and they'll get some KFC on the way home.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows? I mean, like, I always want.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: To go through people's Twitter accounts and read the drafts
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: that they almost.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Wrote, right?
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Because you know, I guarantee you, like, the LSU social
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: media team had something cooking. Like, they were going to
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: drop just a banger of a video or a graphic
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: if they had won that game. And then Pete Golding
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: at Ole Miss, I guess we'll never know.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: We'll never know.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I saw a headline today. Is Trinidad Chambliss the number
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: one pick in the NFL draft? Now, he's obviously older,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: coming out of Ferris State. You said he's the best
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: college football player we've seen in a while.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Is he also going to be a possible top five
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: NFL pick?
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: You know, it's crazy because I do think so, because
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: there is a winning mentality. And Drew Brees had that
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: winning mentality of a guy that really kind of took
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: it to the next level that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Wasn't six foot three, right?
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: If you think quarterbacks, you're going to think probably Arch
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Manning's build or Lenore Sellers or Kamario Taylor, who's going
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: to be a stud for Mississippi State in a couple
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: of years. But Trinidad's not that guy. But if you
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: spend time with them, how good of his head's on
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: his shoulders and he's a great kid. But here's the
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: big thing. Last year we saw Trinidad got thrust into
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: the opening or the starting lineup out of necessity because
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Austin Simmons got banged up.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: So he was kind of freelancing all year long. This
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: was the first time that he's had a.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Full offseason as the starter and they can game plan
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: to him. And I think that was the big difference
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: maker and why ultimately Ole Miss won that football game.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Peter, why did you tell Paul and I about Kamario Taylor?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: We had no idea coming into this season.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Listen, because everybody at Mississippi State was like, shh, shh,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: don't tell us because everybody will start sending him, you know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: the $ 5 million that they spent for Sam Leavitt. They'll
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: try to get a Camario Taylor in the transfer portal.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: But he's a bigger, better, faster version than Dak Prescott.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: And that's scary to think about on a collegiate level.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: And he's a Mississippi guy. So I think, you know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: fingers crossed he stays there for a while. I'll tell
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you what, had LSU had Camario Taylor, they'd win that game.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: In Oxford.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: That's a great point. And Cameron Taylor, I saw a
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: comparison to Cam Newton, which is awkward because the Cam Newton,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: the Mississippi State, the bag of cash. So we won't
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: go there. I want to go with the SEC overall.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Florida looks pretty good. Bama, I don't know what you
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: think of how they look because different points, they look different. Texas,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: all those teams. Is there a heavyweight right now?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Is it Georgia?
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Is there a heavyweight in the SEC right now?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think Georgia is there. I mean,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: they haven't played.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: They played two unranked opponents within Arkansas.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So they kind of just took care of business. We'll
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: see a little bit more against Oklahoma this weekend.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: And John Mateer and that crew I thought was really
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: going to take the next step have almost regressed. So
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I still think it's Georgia. Texas, of course, because I
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: think Ohio State's really good. So I think those are
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: both two college football playoff contenders there. And I think Alabama,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: if they can figure out the defense a little bit,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: they could potentially be, I don't know of a national
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: championship team, but a college football playoff team. And now
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: we're going to have an elimination game really this weekend
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: already in week four guys to where A & M
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: and Marcel Reed taking on LSU and Sam Leavitt. Like
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: it's almost like a, which quarterback do you trust the
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: least matchup?
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Peter, how do you evaluate Arch Manning's year so far? Strong.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, again, his entire first part of his career
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: was like the first half of the Ohio State-Texas game.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: So much hype, so much pomp and circumstance and nothing.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, when almost like the
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: pressure is off, then all of a sudden he just
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: balls out in place. That's what we saw in the
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: second half for Arch for the Longhorns. And I think
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: that we're sawing it. But that was the first time, guys,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: that Texas looked more like an F-350 diesel dually. like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: bowling over people than a Lamborghini Ferrari, right? And Stark
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: always wants to be kind of, oh, we'll trick you. No,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: punch him in the mouth, and Texas finally has a
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: DNA that they haven't had probably since, I mean, what,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Vince Young days when they won a title.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: I know we had to get you out of here
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: in a couple minutes, but LSU, tough loss. You know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I want Lane Kiffin and LSU to be in the playoffs,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: not because I'm rooting, just because of the baggage that
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: he brings, both good, bad, and ugly. You're a TV host.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: You're a TV producer. You want them... When you look
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: at LSU, the chances for them to get back, right
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: the ship, and get in the national championship picture?
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: It's going to be tough right now because you lose
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Tredez Green, and I'm not sold that Sam Levitt's that guy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: And so my question is, hey, is Lane going to
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: take a step back and realize this is a team
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: or this is all about Lane? Because so far it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: been all about Lane right now, which other teams can,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, your respective team can ride the coattails of that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Look at Ole Miss.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Ole Miss wouldn't have the success right now if Lane
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Kiffin hadn't been there. I mean, it was almost like
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Lane Kiffin on Saturday night looked at it as like
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: we look at AI and technology right now. Like, I've
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: created this monster, and then now it's come to destroy me,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: and I can't end it. Like, Trinidad Chambliss, Kiwan Lacey,
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: the home-filled environment, the red shirting of Miss America is
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: down there at the library. I mean, it is everything,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: and it's like, all right, I just handed it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: To Pete Golding, and now he's going to take it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Peter, take me back to Saturday, the end of Vandy
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: NC State. I can't even imagine how you guys handled that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Bro, I mean, we were in the studio, and all
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, everybody starts running around, and that's Benjamin Watson, right?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: For the Patriots and the Saints and the Georgia Bulldogs. Like,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: are you kidding me?
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: We're like, this could not have been any– I don't–
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's 3,600 seconds in a college football game.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt led– for one of them.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: That's one.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And think about this, right?
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: It was not only did they get the game-winning return
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: for a touchdown, which all he had to do was
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Dan Orlowski this in the back of the end zone
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: and the game's over, but ACC officials put one second
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: left on the clock, which meant Vanderbilt had to kick
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: the extra point, which means it ended up having Vanderbilt
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: covering the three and a half like that that's the
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: worst bad beat in the history of bad beats maybe
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: in all of mankind by the way.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Pete you're crushing the references in this segment by the
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: way we're keeping track all right before we get you
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: out of here we do a thing such thing as
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: a bad question you know sec tailgates i know them
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: pretty well if i were a newbie to an sec
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: tailgate what do you recommend as breakfast do you go
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: right to the tailgate or do you go bojangles for
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: a base coat first your thoughts peter.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Bojangles, that's in the ACC world.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: We're going to get you kind of like some biscuits
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: and gravy or something like that. We got to get
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: a solid base going because you're drinking all day long.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: You got to have like the Z-biotics where like the pre-alcohol.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Drinks to get you going.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: A lot of water, some Pedialyte right there, and basically
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: a rosary because if I bring you guys down to
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: an SEC tailgate— You hold on for dear life, boys.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: You guys are Northerners.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: We've got to get you down to the South like
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: that article you wrote of all the Northerners coming down
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: right there and experiencing the SEC living.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: You won't have to twist our arm hard.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Peter, it's not if you get us down. It's when
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you get us down. Appreciate the time. Keep the drama
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: going in the SEC.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: See you, boys.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Wow. Well, I'm ready. I'm ready. I think I can
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: do this. I have a strong base. You know, I
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: don't drink as much as the average tailgater, but I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: can be a good time.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I've been to a couple of SEC, probably five SEC tailgates.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: And I do recommend like a big biscuit and gravy
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: breakfast to really solidify your midsection. And then you start
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: drinking and eating other things. Northern, more brats and onions. Southern,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: a lot more rich foods and seafood, baby.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to have to stop you there because
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you'll go on all day.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, Louis Riddick has some strong comments on
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: the Steelers. If you're a Pittsburgh fan, you're not going
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: to like them.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: That's next. Not so fast.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: The worst loss on Sunday was turned in by?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Probably Pittsburgh.
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: Because they went up there, and I'll tell you what,
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: Pittsburgh looks like they could be in trouble, Trump. Because
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: starting at the quarterback spot, I mean, as much as
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: we all respect and love Aaron, I just don't feel
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: as though, well, one, they can't run the football with
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: any kind of effectiveness to keep the pressure off of him.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: And the passing game is just so wildly inconsistent. But
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: I think it really showed you yesterday, I think, that
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: that team, as much as I love that city and
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: love that organization and love everything that has to do
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: with Pittsburgh, I really do think that that could have
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: been a sign of what's to come for this football
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: team down the road.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Back on Not So Fast, Pabst and Perloff. That's Louis
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Riddick of the Mothership joining us, and he's one of
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: our favorite guests. When he says the Steelers could be
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: in trouble trouble, what does that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Mean to you?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm not quite sure because I guess like 5-12,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: are we talking about that?
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: I think that's what he means because we can't picture that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: In our lifetime, the Steelers are almost always like nine
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: wins plus and a competitive, never embarrassing team.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the Steelers always find their level, which
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: is 10-7. They've been 10-7 for about eight years. Now,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I know everyone's burying them right now, but.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: You look at the schedule. Show me where their major underdogs.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: They play Cincinnati this weekend. Cincinnati looks great.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: If Mike Tomlin was still the coach... I would guarantee
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: the Steelers win that game. They always win that game.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: That's what the Steelers do. They take an AFC North
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: team that looks hot.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: They look bad. Then they come back and they're a
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: different team the next week.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: So you're pumping the brakes.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I'm pumping the brakes.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I thought New England was super fired up for
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: this game. I think that the Steelers actually go into
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: their Week 9 bye.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: With a little momentum.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I think they're about a 500 team, Paul. So I
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: say that, and that doesn't sound crazy. Is that trouble trouble?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. What did we expect?
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I guess the trouble trouble would mean Aaron Rodgers gets
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: really beat up. They have to go to Mason Rudolph.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: They're out of the playoff picture before Thanksgiving. And then
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: you've got to test out other quarterbacks.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think that happens. I think the upcoming schedule, Cleveland, Indianapolis.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: At Tampa Bay, it doesn't look hard anymore. New Orleans
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: comes to Pittsburgh. And I don't care how Tyler Shuck
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: is playing. Steelers are going to be favored in that
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: one and Cleveland again. So they have to be, what,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: 3-6 before you pull Rodgers? And he was getting demolished
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: like that last year, and he just sort of takes
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: a punishment.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Nobody can catch the ball. That's a bit of a problem.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf cannot catch a football. That worries me more
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: than Aaron Rodgers.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: All right, last night, Sunday Night Football on NBC. Really
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: fun game, Colts versus the Chiefs. And at the end,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: there was a weird play with Laquan Treadwell where he
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: caught it. Did he not catch it? Did the Chiefs
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: win it? Did they not win it? And Patrick Mahomes,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: the star quarterback, talked about that after the game.
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: I'm actually kind of glad because I didn't want to
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: see Twitter's reaction if they would have called it a fumble.
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: So we got to prove it the right way, get
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: the stop there, and then go back out there and
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: get a field goal. So there was different times every
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: part of the team had to put their impact on
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: the game. That's what you want, a full team game
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: and a full team win.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I go back to that play again. We talked
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: about it at the top of the show and not
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: so fast. Giving the ball back to Patrick Mahomes. It's
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: something I never want to do. I'd rather lose at
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: my own hand and try that fourth and eight if
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: I'm the Colts than to let Mahomes take another look.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: At the ball. Yeah, but fourth and eight, what if
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it's just an incomplete pass? Then what are we talking about?
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: That you gave it a shot and you didn't give
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: it back to the guy.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Fourth and one is giving it a shot. Fourth and
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: eight is a suicide mission.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Him having the ball, to me, it's like you can
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: start packing up and going home. If I was a
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Colts fan and Mahomes got the ball back, I'm not
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: saying I turned the TV off, but I put it
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: on that sleep mode thing.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: You have a lot of faith in Daniel Jones, the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Colts quarterback, to make a play there. The Chiefs were
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: obviously going to protect the first down line. That was
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: an almost impossible situation. Isn't it amazing, by the way?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: We haven't talked about it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is fully back. Yes. 382 yards passing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: That's a good point. He was running well.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: He looked smooth. Yeah. Travis Kelsey, all of a sudden,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: over 100 yards. And then they have this added element
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: of Ken Walker, who can catch the ball.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Collins Rosetta, he's like, I didn't know Ken Walker catch
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the ball there.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Six catches.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: They are dangerous. All right.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: The Browns upset the Bucs yesterday, and Coach Todd Munkin
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: fired back at his haters.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: A couple scuffles Wednesday, which is good. That's awesome. Because
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: guys didn't like it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: They're a little pissed off.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: You ought to be a little pissed off. Played awful.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: That wasn't the standard. Browns are going to Browns. That. Okay?
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: So.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: But the guys took that to heart. Thank you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: First of all, he sounds like Luke or Owen Wilson.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're going to win.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: You know what? You've got to take your shot when
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: you win. The Browns don't win that often. He's talking
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: about Mike Tomlin saying the Browns are going to Brown,
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: and he got his shot back.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Tom Munkin.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I've been rooting for him all summer because he's in
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the hardest situation. Lost his voice around July 23rd. Sounds
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: like Tom Izzo.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great. Had a really good game plan against
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the Bucs, neutralized their pass rush. So he deserves at
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: least this one week.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: To sort of soak up all the good vibes, because
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many more he's going to get
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, live it up, coach. All right, another one, a
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: little payback time. This is the quarterback Jalen Hurts of
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: the Eagles. Now, he got a little shot from Jeffrey Simmons,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: the great defensive tackle of the Titans. Jeffrey Simmons jabbed
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: him in his media time the other day, and Jalen
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Hurts said, I'll take it at the end. Is that
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: a comment that you heard that mattered to you, and how.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Do you think it responded?
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: I heard it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: And did it matter to you? I heard it. And
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: how do you think it responded?
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: Happily warm.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Boom.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: That is smack talk right back by Jalen Hurts. I mean,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: that is bang. That's as animated I've ever seen him.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. I don't know.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jalen Hurts, by the way, was good. I
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: don't think it was great. He had two picks and
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: it almost killed him.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: This is the Titans. Jalen Hurts is talking trash after
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a win over the Titans?
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that does seem like that's a game where he
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: didn't really talk trash. He just said, I heard it,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: I heard it. He didn't give us much to work
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: with there.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: He is so hard to know.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: There was this big feature on him in the magazine
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: before the season started that basically said, you can't get
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to know this guy. I guess that's a good thing.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: They got the W, so they're happy. But I don't
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: want to see you trash-talking the Titans.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Trash-talk the Cowboys.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: All right, it is time for the rando. Speaking of
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: that Eagles-Titans game, they said it was 150-plus degrees on
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: the field, burning up cleats, all this kind of stuff.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Take a look at this video for the rando. What
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: is going on here, Perloff?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: That doesn't seem proper.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: So the reality is everybody's cleats were melting. I'm not exaggerating.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: That happened. Many players had to change cleats several times.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I thought it was that someone needed a bathroom break
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: and couldn't go to the port-a-potty.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that was definitely a water bottle. It's kind
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: of like, have you ever heard that at the beach
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: when you get sung by a jellyfish? Yeah. You're supposed
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to have your buddy.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: And this was not that.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was not that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: This was melting fleets, which is actually kind of strange
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: in itself.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: But I know the visual. You know what? Us mature
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: people could look into the science of this.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to call out 150 degrees on.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: The field, 157. 157. That can't be the case.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: You're throwing the BS flag?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: How can it be 157?
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: An oven is 157 degrees.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: It's like they're playing on hot coals, which I would watch.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I would tune into that if anyone was playing. All right,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: coming up next, it's time for, oh, constructive criticism and
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: the feel-good. Plus, to get you ready for Monday Night Football.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Stick around. Pabst and Perloff, Not So Fast.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Back on Not So Fast. Paul, we have an update.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, Bears coach, went on ESPN 1000 and said
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: that quarterback Caleb Williams is week to week after his
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: hamstring injury at the end of the Vikings game.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: He will likely miss some time, according to Ben Johnson.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: We have another report out there, Paul, that says that
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: he could be ready for next week against the Eagles. Obviously,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: people are having fun with how dramatically Caleb Williams went
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: off the field, waving to the crowd, crying.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: I would say choked up. More choked up than crying.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: It's a weird situation.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Do you want him to miss some time to make
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: him look better, or do you want him on the
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: field as fast as possible?
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: This is the ultimate sports slash social media story, because
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Every Bears fan. If you're just like sports, you're happy
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: that Caleb Williams is healthy because they do, as you
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: see here, at the Eagles next week and then host
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: the Eagles, then the Jets, then Green Bay, which is
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: what every Bear fan wants them to be healthy for.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: They do have Tyson Bajent, the nice backup quarterback, who's
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: considered pretty high end. Young guy has his chance. But
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: it's one of those things, Caleb Williams, when he talks
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: to the press next, will he address... his reaction to
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: his injury and maybe that it wasn't quite as bad
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: as they thought.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams has always been a little sensitive about the
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: fact that people think he's sensitive. Remember at USC, he
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: was crying with his mother and everyone always wondered about
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: the fingernails.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: He just seems to be an odd bird to me.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: You follow him pretty closely. What do you think?
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Well, again, in the moment, I thought the injury was terrible.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: And when you see him with the thing, without making
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: fun of him, I'm saying in the moment, I thought
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: this is a terrible, not career ending, but season ending injury.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: And then it's not, which is good news, but it
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: just didn't match at the time.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I can relate. I pulled my hamstring about
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a thousand times.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Doing what, like reading?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Actually, really badly.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: About eight years ago, Dan made the Danettes race in
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: a 100-yard dash.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I remember that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was at a high school track.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I pulled my left hamstring so bad, it affected me
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: until now, eight years later.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Take that, Caleb Williams, you warrior right there. All right,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: let's go. Monday Night Football, really nice game here. Giants, Rams.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Rams kind of got to fix things. Giants have an
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: opportunity to make a national statement.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a tough assignment for the Giants.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: One thing to do it against Dallas in New York,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: going against the Rams, who are really.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Mad about the way Australia played out.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Really mad, but they don't have Miles Garrett, and that's
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: as big as it gets. And then, you know, they
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: have Matt Stafford, they got Kyron Williams, they got everyone else.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Who can the coup is if.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: He's... Aaron Donald, 30 snaps, so that might make up
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: for the loss of Garrett. I actually labeled this coming
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: into the week, Paul, Comeback Weekend, and I thought the Patriots, Chargers,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: and Rams are all going to have massive statements after
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: their week one losses.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Patriots, yes. Chargers, no. I think the Rams will make
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: a statement here. I think they're going to be fired
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: up for the Giants.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Are you leaning towards more likely blowout by the Rams,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: close win by the Giants?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: No, I'm leaning big win for the Rams. I think
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: that they correct the narrative that they're not. Whatever it
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: was last week, I think that was Australia. I mean,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get back into the travel plans,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: but I think that game was total anomaly.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I think the Rams are going to be fired up
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: for this.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I will take the Giants to cover in a close one,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: but I don't think they pull this one off. All right,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: it's time here on Not So Fast for a little
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: constructive criticism. Your thoughts on social media about what we're doing,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: maybe what we're not doing. Here we go, Perloff. Here
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: is the first constructive criticism for you. Here we go.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: If you need to be an Eagles fan and be
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: a false 4-0, look at the schedule. I'm an Eagles fan,
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: but I'm worried.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I totally know what you mean, Coach Litz. The
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Eagles have not looked great. They beat the Commanders, who
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: might be terrible, and they beat the Titans, who might
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: be the number one pick next year. We have no idea.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Titans, they actually made the Titans look good for a
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: little while. The Eagles have not shown a lot. There
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: is no doubt about that. Their offense has been inconsistent
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: under our buddy Sean Mannion, first-year offensive coordinator, friend of
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Paps and Perloff.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, it's been iffy. But if you look at this team,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: do you trust them?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: The A.J.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Brown loss, do they have guys who could replace A.J.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Brown? No.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Devontae Smith, yeah, Devontae Smith's a true number one. He
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: made an incredible catch on Sunday. No, their offense is
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: not good.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're not as close as I am.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: No, I always trust the Eagles. I think they get
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of criticism because they've had some seasons, but
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: they're always in the mix. And the Saquon Barkley injury
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: the other day, I don't know how serious it is,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: but when you see him leave a game, that's one
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: where I get concerned. Well, if they don't have him,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: it's over, John.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: He came back with a big neck roll, which we love.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: So he didn't play much, but he came back, so
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not worried about him.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: By necessity. All right, the next one, constructive criticism. Here
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: we go. Many fans have pushed for the NFL to
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: add interception caused by receiver. Hello. This is from Jordan Schultz,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: an NFL reporter. Is there a perfect example of why
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: this stat should exist? Yes, there is. For every interception,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: there's blame. It could either be the quarterback or the receiver.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Most of the time, it's the quarterback. But look at
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: this play. Hits the receiver in his hands. Now, that,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: to me, seems like it's on the receiver clearly. He
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: had the ball clearly. That should be pure RCI. For
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: those of you who don't know RCI... receiver-caused interceptions. If
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: you like baseball, when there's a wild pitch, it's either
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: declared a wild pitch, which is on the pitcher, or
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: a passed ball, where it's on the catcher. Simple designation,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: easy to fix. It's picking up momentum.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Well, what about when the receiver runs the wrong route?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: That happens even more often than bobbling it and putting
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: up in the air for the defense.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: That would be hard for the scorekeeper to decide in
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: the moment, but I'm sure quarterbacks would like that as well.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: All right, last up for constructive criticism. Here we go. Oh,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: from our guy Daniel Roberts. We know him from Front
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Office Sports. It took marrying a Southerner to get this
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: New Englander to this point, but I now must declare,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: he's declaring, I think college football Saturdays are more fun
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: than NFL Sundays. Wow, this is a big topic.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Not to me.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I don't even think, I don't know, why would you,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: and you do this pretty much every day, why compare
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Saturday and Sunday?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: They work together. You're supposed to be on the couch
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: for the entire 48 hours.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I'm with you on that. I think I like college
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: football a touch more because of the randomness of it,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: the amount of teams that are in play. But the
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: NFL Sunday, I would never say it's second tier or
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: anything like that. College football, as I've said, feels like
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: a dive bar. It's kind of reckless and weird, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: there's some shady characters all around. And the NFL is
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: like an airport lounge. It's antiseptic and nice, and you
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: get what you pay for.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: In reality, I don't think college football will ever match
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: NFL unless they fix the schedule.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: That was brutal on Saturday. I don't know why. I mean,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: does Oregon really have to play Portland State, Paul?
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: No, it's a fair point. For every Ole Miss LSU,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: there's four other 55 games.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: No, I agree. But if you're doing it right, then
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you're all in on both, I think.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: All right, last up, it's time for the feel-good here
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: before we ship you out of here to get ready
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: for Monday Night Football. Big game tonight. Here is the feel-good.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Pearl, what do we have here?
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is Brown's coach. Todd Munkin is running to
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: the tunnel. Oh, wait, what do I got here?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Is he in a leap?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: No, he turns left and goes to the 11 Browns
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: fans that sort of waited out the rain.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: To high-five their coach. First of all, he's 60.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: He is moving really well. Here comes Spencer Fano. I
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: love Todd Munkin. Everything about him, his team is terrible.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie to you. That win doesn't
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: mean anything, but he is the best spirit in the NFL.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's going to last more than
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: two years in Cleveland, but I'm a super fan.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: You know, when I saw him running there, he runs
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: kind of like I do, and I'm 12 years younger
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: than him. But I thought he was going to pop
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: a couple of hammies if he tried that Lambeau leap thing.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: No, I think he's probably a former football player. He's
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: one of those coaches older now, but he was probably
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: an elite quarterback. Paul, no offense, but I think he's
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: got more athletic ability.
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Tune in to the Dan Patrick Show tomorrow. I think
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Michael Irvin will join DP. And tonight, Monday Night Football.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Enjoy it.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: And we'll wrap it up here on Not So Fast
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: tomorrow right after Dan Patrick's show. Noon Eastern on NBC
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Sports Now and Peacock. That's it for us.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: We're done.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Love the playmaker.
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.