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EXCLUSIVE | LESA MILAN: Famous Exes, Ambition & RHODubai Secrets! · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey,
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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, Raindrops. The Monday Night Live crew
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Speaker 1: New York City, Sunday, September 20th, City Winery. Get your
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Speaker 1: tickets at KingdomRainint.com. Hey, Raindrops. On today's episode of Reality
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Speaker 1: with the King, honey, we're going international. Yes! But look,
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Speaker 1: she is by far one of the most beautiful women
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Speaker 1: in the world, which also makes her One of the
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Speaker 1: most beautiful women on Bravo. I would even say top three.
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Speaker 1: And y'all better agree. Give it up for the one,
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Speaker 1: the only, the stunning designer, my love, fashionista, Lisa Milano.
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Speaker 2: What an introduction.
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Speaker 1: I love that.
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Speaker 2: Again, again, again, again.
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Speaker 1: Oh my God, Carla. I know. The last time I
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Speaker 1: saw you, we were in Miami.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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Speaker 1: Turning up. Turning up.
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Speaker 2: On tables.
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Speaker 1: It was me, you, Gertie, Chanel. Yes. Who styles all
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Speaker 1: the girls.
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Speaker 2: Who style all the girls.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Get with it, Chanel Welch.
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Speaker 1: Uh-huh. And we had a good old time.
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Speaker 2: We had the best time.
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Speaker 1: I really was like, I want her to be one
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Speaker 1: of my good girlfriends. And I am happy that you're
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Speaker 1: in the States.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: So look, you're safe and sound.
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Speaker 2: I am safe and sound. Thank God.
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Speaker 3: Thank God, because it's a chaos back home in Dubai.
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Speaker 3: It's literally a chaos. We were hearing missiles being shot.
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Speaker 2: Over our villa. We had to get our kids out. Yes, but.
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Speaker 2: We're here.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Back in the hometown of Miami.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: With the family, with the Jamaican side. Yes!
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Speaker 1: So how does it feel to be back in Miami?
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Speaker 2: It feels good.
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Speaker 3: I always love coming back home. You know, I have
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Speaker 3: my mom, my grandmother, my brother, my aunties, my cousins.
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Speaker 3: Everybody's here. So coming back to Miami is never an issue.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: It's always like coming back home, but it's nice. My
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Speaker 3: kids get to eat rice and peas and curry gourds and.
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Speaker 2: You know, they get to be normal, which is good.
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Speaker 2: Very on Dubai.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Well, look, now that you're back in Miami, um,
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Speaker 1: Are you able to resurrect the Real Housewives of Miami
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Speaker 1: by joining the show? Because, first of all, I love
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Speaker 1: the show.
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Speaker 2: I love Miami. It's my favorite.
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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites, too. Yeah. Alexia's my girlfriend. Larsa. Hey, Larsa.
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Speaker 1: That's my sister. Gertie's my sister. Kiki Bart's my sister.
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Speaker 1: I love them. I love the girls. Me, too.
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Speaker 2: I'm friends with them. I love them. Will I be
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Speaker 2: on the show? I don't know. I mean, never say never,
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Speaker 2: but for now, it's... It's a no. It's a no.
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Speaker 2: I live in Dubai. It's a no.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 2: Look at you. You're like moving to your house.
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Speaker 1: I mean... We're not going to act like you can't
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Speaker 1: afford to hop on a flight. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, my whole life is here, right? I have
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Speaker 2: my house.
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Speaker 3: I have my family. It's... It seems right, but... Right now,
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Speaker 3: I'm just focused on just getting the kids settled.
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I don't know when we'll
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Speaker 2: be back to Dubai. I don't. And it's chaos. But
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't imagine my kids going to
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Speaker 2: school here. I don't know, Carlos. Honestly.
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Speaker 1: Is it concerning for you? Because the thing about it
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Speaker 1: is this. I've never been to Dubai. But of course,
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Speaker 1: I've heard amazing things in terms of like the school
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Speaker 1: system and just like how things are conducted there and
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Speaker 1: things like that. So is it a culture shock? Because
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Speaker 1: you have three boys, seven, nine, and 12.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Oh, look at you.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Did you hear, uncle? Mag seven Christian. He knows your age.
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Speaker 1: I know your age. And their birthdays just passed.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they're all in June. Yes.
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Speaker 1: How did you make that happen?
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Speaker 2: Well, the first one was a trap. Not a trap.
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Speaker 2: The other two planned.
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Speaker 1: Not a trap. You better.
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Speaker 2: You know, you got to do what you got to do.
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Speaker 1: You said you will be mine.
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Speaker 2: You will be mine.
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Speaker 1: Forever. I'm joking.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, no, it will be a complete culture shock
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Speaker 3: for them. I mean, Dubai is so different. It's so safe.
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Speaker 1: Never say never. But the thing is this. So you were.
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Speaker 1: Born and raised in Miami.
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Speaker 2: I was born in Jamaica, raised in Miami.
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Speaker 1: So talk to me about like what part of Jamaica
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Speaker 1: was you born into and who was Lisa as a
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Speaker 1: little girl?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I love this question.
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Speaker 3: So I was born in Kingston and Lisa as a
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Speaker 3: little girl was really the baby version of me.
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Speaker 2: No, really.
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Speaker 3: I've always been that girl that knew, I always knew
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Speaker 3: who I was.
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Speaker 2: And I credit this to my mom.
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Speaker 3: My mom was always so Backstory. So my mom and
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Speaker 3: then I have an adopted Chinese dad. That was the
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Speaker 3: household that I grew up in.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: My adopted Chinese dad obviously looks very different to me.
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Speaker 1: When you say adopted Chinese dad, what does that mean?
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Speaker 3: So my mom was pregnant. She met this guy. She
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Speaker 3: was in love with this guy. She fell out with
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Speaker 3: my biological dad. And this guy loved her so much.
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Speaker 3: He was like, I love you.
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Speaker 2: I love all of this.
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Speaker 3: And I'm whoever, whatever this baby is, boy or girl,
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Speaker 3: I want to be a part of his or her life.
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Speaker 3: And so he raised me. I have his last name. Well,
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Speaker 3: now I'm married, but I had his last name. He
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Speaker 3: raised me as his own. He's Chinese Jamaican. So I
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Speaker 3: grew up in a very, very multicultural background, but he's
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Speaker 3: very Jamaican. He's a Chinese man would talk like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: bring the right tribe.
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Speaker 2: Like he's very Jamaican, but he's Chinese.
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Speaker 3: And so my mom always instilled with me, especially I
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Speaker 3: think in Jamaica, there's no racism, but there's very much
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Speaker 3: so colorism.
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Speaker 2: And so my mom is very fair. My dad is Chinese.
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Speaker 3: I think back then she probably didn't think about it,
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Speaker 3: but she was very, very intentional about telling me how
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Speaker 3: beautiful I was, how beautiful my skin was, how much
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Speaker 3: she loved my brown skin, how much she wished she
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Speaker 3: had my brown skin. You know, so I always grew
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Speaker 3: up knowing that I was her and nothing less. But
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Speaker 3: it's because of the nuggets that she always instilled in me.
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Speaker 3: I never wanted to be lighter. Actually, with my mom
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Speaker 3: being lighter, I used to be like, oh, my mom
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Speaker 3: wants to be like me.
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Speaker 2: Oh, poor thing. You know, lighter skin girls.
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I think I moved to America
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Speaker 3: when I found out people didn't like being dark skin.
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Speaker 2: Like it was like a taboo.
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Speaker 3: That to me was like unusual because I love the
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Speaker 3: color of my skin.
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Speaker 2: Never wanted to be lighter.
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Speaker 3: Even my makeup artist, she thinks I'm crazy because I'm
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Speaker 3: always like, don't make me too light. If people send
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Speaker 3: me a photo that's edited that has too much flash,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, dial it down. Like I always felt
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Speaker 3: like my brown skin was like my superpower.
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1: No, it does make sense. And what's interesting is Because
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Speaker 1: you know this does exist, right? Yeah. In Jamaica, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: there are some women who do bleach their skin.
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Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: Because is it true that in Jamaica, your currency lies
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Speaker 1: within the standard of what they believe beauty is, and
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Speaker 1: that is lighter skinned women?
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Speaker 3: Most times, but I wasn't privy to that. My parents
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Speaker 3: sheltered me from that. My Chinese dad was always like,
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Speaker 3: you're the prettiest girl in the world. I can't wait
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Speaker 3: for you to be Miss Jamaica, which I was. You know,
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Speaker 3: you know, like they always I don't know. It wasn't
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Speaker 3: it was so crazy to me. It wasn't until I
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Speaker 3: got older that I saw how much they poured into me,
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Speaker 3: maybe knowing that you know, the society I was going
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Speaker 3: to grow up in, but also because I had all
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Speaker 3: my cousins that were lighter with long, pretty hair. You know,
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Speaker 3: sometimes I look back and I'm like, do I, I
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Speaker 3: don't have a skin color complex, but do I have
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Speaker 3: a hair complex? Because I do love to throw my
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Speaker 3: wig on. I do love a little wet and wavy,
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe I.
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Speaker 2: Have some hair complex. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: But as far as my skin color and my looks,
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Speaker 3: my parents always, always drilled it in me you're the
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Speaker 3: most beautiful girl in the world.
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Speaker 2: Like things.
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Speaker 3: And so even with my three sons, I'm very, very,
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Speaker 3: especially because my husband's white and my kids are my color,
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Speaker 3: which I prayed for, you know, I wanted my kids
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Speaker 3: to look more like me, you know, no offense to
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Speaker 3: them being lighter. That's also beautiful, but I just see
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Speaker 3: so much beauty in Brown and black that I so
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Speaker 3: badly wanted my, I like manifested it, you know?
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Speaker 2: And so, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I think overall in general, Growing up in Jamaica was
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Speaker 3: one thing, but now living here and seeing people with
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Speaker 3: different skin colors and people not appreciating being black. For me,
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Speaker 3: when I moved here, it was crazy.
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Speaker 1: When you moved to Miami and you started going to school,
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Speaker 1: did girls like you?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: Girls didn't like me. And I used to get bullied
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Speaker 3: all the time. I had a straight nose. They used
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Speaker 3: to call me Michael Jackson nose. Pre-lip filler days, I
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Speaker 3: was the DSL. So fun fact, I moved here and
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Speaker 3: DSL back then was wired internet.
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Speaker 2: Do you remember DSL?
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Speaker 1: Of course I do. Okay.
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Speaker 3: So when I came and they were like, oh, DSL, DSL,
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Speaker 3: I thought they were asking me about my internet. So
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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I have DSL. Not knowing that
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Speaker 3: it's dick sucking lips. And so when I moved here,
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Speaker 3: I didn't like my nose because they said I had
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Speaker 3: Michael Jackson nose.
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Speaker 2: I didn't like my lips.
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Speaker 3: There were a lot of things about me that I
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Speaker 3: didn't like because I came from everyone saying I'm beautiful,
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Speaker 3: my parents, my family, to now people telling me that
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Speaker 3: my features, things about me was different. And so I
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Speaker 3: feel like, thank God I had that background. But no,
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Speaker 3: when I moved here, girls didn't like me. But I mean,
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Speaker 3: I was different.
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Speaker 2: I was different.
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Speaker 3: I learned to embrace what was different. And I did
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Speaker 3: different things. Like I was a cheerleader. I was, you know,
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Speaker 3: and they'd be like, oh, she's an REO, you know,
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Speaker 3: she's doing all the white things. Cause I didn't dance.
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Speaker 3: I didn't join the dance team. I joined the cheerleading team.
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Speaker 3: There were, there were a lot of differences, but you
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Speaker 3: have to remember growing up in Jamaica, where majority of
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Speaker 3: the people are black, it's a very, very different experience
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Speaker 3: to growing up in the U S right. And so I,
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Speaker 3: I always say this and one of my followers actually
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Speaker 3: pointed it out because there was something on the internet
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Speaker 3: about this one Jamaican girl and she was like, I
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Speaker 3: don't get this whole racism thing. It's because we've lived very, very,
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Speaker 3: we're all black people, but we've lived very, very different lives.
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Speaker 3: When you grow up in a country where it's predominantly black,
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Speaker 3: the leaders that you're seeing are black. The people who
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Speaker 3: are crowned Miss Jamaica and most beautiful are black. You
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Speaker 3: look at the world very differently, you know? And I
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Speaker 3: feel like, in general, when you come to the U.S.,
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Speaker 3: it's a whole different ballgame.
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Speaker 1: You just hit me. I now understand why you do
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Speaker 1: have concerns of your boys being infiltrated into being in
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Speaker 1: the States because you were... in Jamaica and you're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is all good. And then when you came to Miami,
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Speaker 1: you were bullied and had all these adversities. So now
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Speaker 1: I understand why as a mom, your boys had a very,
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Speaker 1: you know, sheltered life in Dubai.
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Speaker 3: But it is a very different world, you know, and
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Speaker 3: America is a very special place. I grew up here.
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Speaker 3: I know the ins and outs of it. Miami is
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Speaker 3: my city. Miami is very different to the rest of America.
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Speaker 3: In many ways, because it's so multicultural, it is a
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Speaker 3: melting pot. Dubai has those similarities, you know? So there's
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Speaker 3: so many things that I feel would be a culture shock.
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, Carlos, I feel like they
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Speaker 3: could benefit from.
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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Because at the end of the day, you're
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Speaker 1: raising black boys. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Yes.
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Speaker 1: So I will say.
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Speaker 2: Who, by the way, know they're black.
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Speaker 1: Good.
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Speaker 3: I'm very proud because they have that very Jamaican... You know, Jamaicans,
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Speaker 3: we kind of think that... You know, if I die
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Speaker 3: three times, I want to come back to make in
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Speaker 3: the fourth. We think this is our world and everybody
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Speaker 3: should pay us taxes. And they very much have that mentality.
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Speaker 3: You know, my kids play soccer and they run track. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, their dad's English. So they feel like, OK,
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Speaker 3: the English side is the soccer side, but don't get
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Speaker 3: it twisted.
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Speaker 2: I'm black. I'm Jamaican. And they're very, very proud of that,
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Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, coming here.
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Speaker 3: Would be beneficial in the sense where I feel like
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Speaker 3: they would grow up quite fast.
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Speaker 2: Which I don't think I want.
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Speaker 1: And they'll be able to experience the real world, right?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And to your point, depending on what they decide to
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Speaker 1: do as adults, whether it's stay, not stay, but like
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Speaker 1: live in Dubai, live in the States, at least it
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Speaker 1: won't be such a big culture shock as adults.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it won't. 100%.
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Speaker 1: You were Miss Jamaica. How did that even come about?
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Speaker 3: Not the conventional way because of College Hill. So I
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Speaker 3: was crowned Miss Jamaica, but I grew up here. So
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Speaker 3: already going back there, it was, is she Jamaican enough, right?
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Speaker 3: Because she's a girl coming from the U.S. Her accent,
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Speaker 3: she's Jamaican. We can tell she's Jamaican, but she still
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Speaker 3: has that twang.
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Speaker 2: To it, right? So it was that.
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Speaker 3: Than me beating this girl up on TV. Like, is
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Speaker 3: that beauty queen-like? Like, is that Miss World? You know,
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Speaker 3: and so it was not conventional the way I became
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Speaker 3: Miss Jamaica because my first introduction to it was through
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Speaker 3: Miss Jamaica World. I feel like they used me to
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Speaker 3: bring tickets and to get the audience and stuff because
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Speaker 3: it was post-College Hill. And they disqualified me without me
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Speaker 3: even knowing. I didn't even have a dress. So they
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Speaker 3: had a designer that was like designing dresses for all
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Speaker 3: the contestants and she didn't have a dress for me.
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Speaker 2: It was literally sabotage.
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Speaker 3: And I remember saying to my mom, like, why? Why
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Speaker 3: did I even bother? You know, this was a lifelong
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Speaker 3: dream of mine. I've been doing pageants literally my whole life.
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Speaker 3: My mom had me beauty pageants since I was little.
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Speaker 3: I came to the States. I did all the teen
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Speaker 3: USA pageants. And I could have gone that route, but
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Speaker 3: I feel like my dad was always like, I can
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Speaker 3: see you as a Miss Jamaica one day. So I never,
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Speaker 3: ever thought I wanted to be Miss USA. I always
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Speaker 3: wanted to go back and be Miss Jamaica. So anyways,
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Speaker 3: long story short, when I got back there, I went
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Speaker 3: through the whole process and then they didn't even have
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Speaker 3: a dress for me for the final. I was backstage.
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Speaker 3: Eventually my mom had a backup dress because she's a
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Speaker 3: pageant mom. I went on with a wrinkled dress and
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Speaker 3: I didn't even place. And I was devastated because I've
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Speaker 3: never not placed top three in a pageant.
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Speaker 2: Like I was trained for this. So surely I should
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Speaker 2: at least place, right? No, I didn't.
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Speaker 3: And it was a learning lesson for me because life
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Speaker 3: is not always as you plan, right?
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 3: Janice Davis, she was amazing. She was a pageant director
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Speaker 3: and she was like, I saw what they did to you.
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Speaker 2: I need you. I'm going to host a pageant.
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Speaker 3: And I already know, just come as you came in
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Speaker 3: Miss Jamaica world. And I already know you'll get crowned.
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Speaker 3: And so she convinced my mom. We went ahead.
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Speaker 2: I did it.
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Speaker 3: I won. And it was my second round, basically. It
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Speaker 3: was my second round, but I went, I represented Jamaica
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Speaker 3: in China. You know, it was like over a hundred
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Speaker 3: contestants and I did really well. And then it just,
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Speaker 3: Flourish from there.
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Speaker 1: No, baby, you are flourishing. And listen, you have flourished.
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Speaker 1: So even going backwards a little bit, we were first
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Speaker 1: introduced to you on College Hill.
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Speaker 2: Yes. College Hill.
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Speaker 1: Big show on BET. Yes. How did that opportunity come
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Speaker 1: about first?
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Speaker 3: So I was a student at FAU, Florida Atlantic University.
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Speaker 3: And this guy, he was on MySpace and he like
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Speaker 3: messaged me and he was like, Hey, they're doing this
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Speaker 3: casting for College Hill. I think you'd be great. I
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Speaker 3: think I'm going to get picked and I want you
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Speaker 3: as a girl in the house. And I was like,
17:44
Speaker 3: I don't know. And he was like, yeah. And then
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Speaker 3: I had a boyfriend at the time. He was a
17:49
Speaker 3: NFL player. And he was like, no, why would you
17:52
Speaker 3: want to why would you want to go and be
17:54
Speaker 3: roommates with that? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what? I want to go.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll get picked. Maybe I won't.
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Speaker 3: I went to the audition and I think they called
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Speaker 3: me back like the next day for a second audition.
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Speaker 3: And then the next day for a third audition. And
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Speaker 3: then boom, I got picked and I was on College
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Speaker 3: Hill and I loved it. I actually loved College Hill.
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Speaker 3: It was different for me. I grew up as an
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Speaker 3: only child for my mom. My dad has a whole
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Speaker 3: bunch of kids and I'm the only.
18:22
Speaker 2: Girl on both sides.
18:24
Speaker 3: And so for me, it was, okay, I get to
18:27
Speaker 3: see what it's like to live in a house with siblings.
18:29
Speaker 2: You know, like, that's how I viewed it. And I
18:34
Speaker 2: liked it. I mean, Kyle... Kyle was Kyle.
18:37
Speaker 1: Kyle was crazy. Kyle was good TV. No, crazy in
18:41
Speaker 1: a good way.
18:42
Speaker 3: Yes, I always say Kyle walks so saucy Santana.
18:46
Speaker 1: No.
18:47
Speaker 2: And all of them could run.
18:48
Speaker 1: Till this day, I always go with the rim and
18:52
Speaker 1: sit on the... And... My imaginary hair.
18:57
Speaker 2: And you know what was so crazy? It's not like
18:59
Speaker 2: reality TV is now.
19:01
Speaker 3: Like the cameras are just rolling and we're just living
19:03
Speaker 3: our fucking best lives, you know?
19:05
Speaker 2: And this was what he was like on and off camera.
19:09
Speaker 2: Shout out to Kyle.
19:09
Speaker 1: What is he up to now? You know what?
19:11
Speaker 3: He's living like a very private life and I keep
19:14
Speaker 3: trying to bring him out of his hiatus. I'm like, Kyle,
19:19
Speaker 3: start a podcast. Do something because he's so freaking entertaining.
19:22
Speaker 1: Still. Still.
19:23
Speaker 2: Still. And he's one of my biggest cheerleaders.
19:28
Speaker 3: If I post an outfit, he's in my DMs. And
19:31
Speaker 3: I'm like, Kyle, I'm going to loud you up so
19:33
Speaker 3: bad so that everybody sees your page if you dare.
19:37
Speaker 1: Oh, so he doesn't want to be... No. Wow.
19:40
Speaker 3: He's completely living like a very private, happy life.
19:44
Speaker 2: And he's good. Yeah, but I'm like, Kyle, you need
19:47
Speaker 2: to like... Kyle.
19:50
Speaker 1: You were everything on College Hill. We still do the,
19:52
Speaker 1: you did this, honey. You had the ribs. And the
19:55
Speaker 1: fake hair. And the fake hair. Baby, when I say
19:58
Speaker 1: to you as a little queen, honey, I was like.
20:00
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
20:01
Speaker 1: That's my sister.
20:02
Speaker 2: They dragged me over Kyle. They dragged me over Kyle.
20:05
Speaker 1: Why?
20:05
Speaker 3: And we didn't get along on the show, but it's
20:07
Speaker 3: crazy how close we are now.
20:09
Speaker 1: Like, he's amazing. Y'all were young at the time. We were.
20:12
Speaker 2: We were 18.
20:13
Speaker 1: I know.
20:13
Speaker 3: You know, like BET snatched us up as soon as
20:15
Speaker 3: we were legal to sign.
20:17
Speaker 1: Yeah. Speaking of 18.
20:18
Speaker 3: Yes.
20:19
Speaker 1: How old were you when you did your first boyfriend,
20:22
Speaker 1: celebrity Jason Derulo? Carlos! Oh, you didn't think I did
20:29
Speaker 1: my research?
20:30
Speaker 2: But where did you find that?
20:32
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist. Hey, Portia. So I went to the
20:35
Speaker 1: Portia Williams School of Journalism. Wait, I'm gagged. Jason Derulo
20:40
Speaker 1: was your man.
20:42
Speaker 3: Wait i'm gagged wait nobody okay my haitian king.
20:48
Speaker 1: So jason is fine so y'all met in high school.
20:54
Speaker 2: I'm still gagged i'm sorry did i gag.
20:56
Speaker 3: You you did i was speechless like i was not
21:00
Speaker 3: expecting that okay so my homework so jason and i
21:04
Speaker 3: were high school.
21:05
Speaker 1: Sweethearts what grade Oh, my God.
21:08
Speaker 2: I don't know, like 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th to college.
21:11
Speaker 1: Was he fine then? Yeah, he was. He was.
21:15
Speaker 2: But you know what? I'm attracted to guys who are ambitious.
21:19
Speaker 3: He's the most ambitious person that I know.
21:23
Speaker 2: To this day, we're friends. We're actually friends to this day. Oh, good.
21:28
Speaker 1: We are.
21:29
Speaker 3: Like, his mom will always have a special place in
21:32
Speaker 3: our hearts because she's done so much for me and
21:34
Speaker 3: my family.
21:34
Speaker 2: You know... That's a whole nother backstory.
21:37
Speaker 3: But our families grew up. We grew up in the
21:40
Speaker 3: same neighborhood. We're all from the same place. And yeah,
21:44
Speaker 3: it was just high school, uni type thing. But we're
21:48
Speaker 3: still really good friends. He's with an amazing girl, I think.
21:52
Speaker 1: And.
21:54
Speaker 2: And his son is gorgeous. And he loves my boys.
21:57
Speaker 3: Every time he comes to Dubai, he does not come
21:58
Speaker 3: to Dubai without being like, yo, I'm here. You know,
22:01
Speaker 3: my husband's met him.
22:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're good childhood friends.
22:06
Speaker 1: But Carlo! I'm sorry, I had to ask the question.
22:10
Speaker 1: I'm not done yet. No, you're not done yet.
22:13
Speaker 2: Carlo's not married.
22:15
Speaker 1: No, I know. I'm not going to go. I know, but.
22:18
Speaker 1: But what else do you know? Was he your first love?
22:22
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would say love. We were
22:25
Speaker 3: in high school. We were kids. You know, my first crush, maybe.
22:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
22:30
Speaker 2: My first crush.
22:31
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all dated 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
22:34
Speaker 2: To like uni days. Like it wasn't.
22:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for five years.
22:38
Speaker 2: It was on and off too. It was high school.
22:40
Speaker 1: It didn't.
22:41
Speaker 2: Does that really count? Do we count high school?
22:44
Speaker 1: Well, as a gay boy, I didn't have a boyfriend
22:46
Speaker 1: in high school because back in my day.
22:49
Speaker 2: You were hanging out with other girls?
22:50
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening. It was like you was a baby, Lisa. Yeah.
22:58
Speaker 1: I have always been Carlos King and I've always hung
23:01
Speaker 1: out with the girls. I get it. In high school.
23:04
Speaker 1: I get it. And I ran a gossip column in
23:06
Speaker 1: high school for the school newspaper. Oh, did you? Oh,
23:09
Speaker 1: I love that. I can see it. Yeah, it was
23:10
Speaker 1: a gossip column.
23:11
Speaker 2: So you were baby Carlos before Carlos.
23:14
Speaker 1: No one I went to high school with is surprised
23:16
Speaker 1: by all of this. Same.
23:18
Speaker 3: So actually in my high school yearbook, I think the
23:24
Speaker 3: most I was.
23:26
Speaker 2: Most likely to succeed or most likely to be famous
23:29
Speaker 2: was me. Something like that.
23:33
Speaker 1: This is Reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
23:36
Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. And that's the thing,
23:40
Speaker 1: that's why I always tell parents, Look at your child
23:44
Speaker 1: and really cultivate what comes naturally for them. Because that's
23:48
Speaker 1: what they're going to dive into as an adult. So
23:52
Speaker 1: with you and Jason, we know that he dated Jordan
23:57
Speaker 1: Sparks for... Yes. Did he? For.
24:03
Speaker 2: Continue.
24:06
Speaker 1: Word on the street.
24:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:08
Speaker 1: Hi, Giselle. Word on the street that Giselle Bryant drives
24:12
Speaker 1: down in her Range Rover. It has been said that
24:18
Speaker 1: Jason Derulo and Jordan Sparks' relationship was a PR stunt.
24:24
Speaker 1: And based on my research, it's alleged that while he
24:29
Speaker 1: was dating Jordan Sparks for TV, you guys were actually
24:34
Speaker 1: still dating. Well.
24:36
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a PR stunt.
24:38
Speaker 3: I can't speak on what arrangement they had, but I
24:41
Speaker 3: do remember the night he met her. Like she opened
24:46
Speaker 3: for him at a concert in the Bahamas and her
24:50
Speaker 3: mom was there and they were like.
24:52
Speaker 2: You're so pretty. You're so sweet.
24:55
Speaker 3: And the manager wanted to take him away so they
24:57
Speaker 3: can have like business discussions.
24:59
Speaker 2: But I always felt like it was okay, why do
25:02
Speaker 2: you have to take him away?
25:03
Speaker 3: I've been around him with other artists before. It was never,
25:06
Speaker 3: and like my gut feeling, I felt like it was more,
25:11
Speaker 3: you know, and it did.
25:12
Speaker 2: End up being more.
25:13
Speaker 1: Were y'all dating at that time? We were. Was that
25:16
Speaker 1: your man?
25:18
Speaker 2: Yes, it was.
25:20
Speaker 1: So the night that the manager took Jason away to
25:25
Speaker 1: meet Jordan Sparks, that was your man? Yes. And what
25:30
Speaker 1: happened after that night?
25:32
Speaker 2: God, I'm not going to get into all of that.
25:34
Speaker 1: Why not?
25:35
Speaker 2: Because it's so long ago.
25:37
Speaker 1: But I pay for studio time. You know?
25:44
Speaker 3: You know, to be honest, I don't know what happened
25:46
Speaker 3: with them. I really genuinely don't, but I knew I
25:49
Speaker 3: was not going to be a part of that. Like,
25:51
Speaker 3: I was not going to be a part of any
25:53
Speaker 3: of that. Like, this was my boyfriend. You know, now he's...
25:58
Speaker 3: going out in public with someone else. Keep in mind,
26:01
Speaker 3: I did College Hill. So in my mind as well,
26:03
Speaker 3: I'm like, I am that girl. Like, you want to
26:07
Speaker 3: go out in public with somebody, it should be me.
26:10
Speaker 1: But did he give you a heads up?
26:14
Speaker 2: Yes and no.
26:15
Speaker 3: It was kind of like, it kind of, I don't know,
26:17
Speaker 3: it was, I can't remember, it was so long ago,
26:19
Speaker 3: but they kind of just dropped it.
26:22
Speaker 2: And I was just like, It's me or her kind
26:25
Speaker 2: of vibe.
26:26
Speaker 3: And then when it became a juggling thing, I just
26:30
Speaker 3: stepped away because I've always known that I'm never going
26:34
Speaker 3: to be second. I'm never going to share. I'm never
26:37
Speaker 3: going to be none of that. You know, you can
26:40
Speaker 3: check my track record.
26:41
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not that girl. You know, I'm actually
26:46
Speaker 2: that girl.
26:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:48
Speaker 2: So I never needed to do that.
26:50
Speaker 3: You know, like for me, he wasn't, it was high
26:53
Speaker 3: school and I knew I had.
26:56
Speaker 1: I love you so much.
26:56
Speaker 2: There was bigger potential out there. You know, it wasn't.
27:00
Speaker 1: You said bitch at 18, I still knew.
27:02
Speaker 2: Like at all, at all. And I sure did swoop
27:07
Speaker 2: on and up and out.
27:09
Speaker 1: So you left that relationship.
27:11
Speaker 2: I did. I did.
27:12
Speaker 3: I left that relationship for what it was. And we
27:15
Speaker 3: didn't leave on bad terms. It was just like, okay,
27:18
Speaker 3: you need to figure out what you want to do.
27:20
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to wait around for it. You know,
27:22
Speaker 3: my grandmother always say, you can't put love in a
27:25
Speaker 3: pot and cook. Which means you can't cook love. So
27:31
Speaker 3: onwards and upwards. You know, and so I never... You know,
27:34
Speaker 3: my mom always also said, you don't waste your youth
27:37
Speaker 3: on a man. And I feel like I always had
27:39
Speaker 3: that ticking time bomb. Like, I'm not going to give
27:42
Speaker 3: you so much of me that I forget who I am.
27:46
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen. And I've been like that
27:48
Speaker 3: my whole life. I don't give guys, I mean, high
27:51
Speaker 3: school is different, right? Because in high school, you don't
27:53
Speaker 3: really know. But I think from 20 and up, I
27:57
Speaker 3: don't think I give anybody over a year to waste
28:00
Speaker 3: my time. And by the time I was 23, I
28:01
Speaker 3: was married. You know, so just to put things into perspective.
28:07
Speaker 3: And there were loads of people that came between Jason
28:08
Speaker 3: and my husband.
28:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:10
Speaker 2: You know, and it was just not, it was just
28:12
Speaker 2: not for me.
28:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. You did mention that there were, you know, a
28:17
Speaker 1: couple of guys that came in between Jason and your
28:22
Speaker 1: husband that you married at 23. That we'll get into
28:24
Speaker 1: that too. But I also heard, and listen, this is
28:30
Speaker 1: for you to clear the air. Because like you said,
28:32
Speaker 1: you're not that girl anymore. You're that girl.
28:34
Speaker 2: That one. With a capital T-H-A-T.
28:37
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes. So I want to be able to
28:40
Speaker 1: confirm that you've always been that girl. And none of
28:45
Speaker 1: this is a surprise to me based on you. Because
28:49
Speaker 1: the thing is this, you are strikingly gorgeous.
28:52
Speaker 2: Thank you.
28:53
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I can't.
28:58
Speaker 2: Thank you.
28:58
Speaker 1: I mean, I can. And I will. But... It's besides
29:06
Speaker 1: the face.
29:07
Speaker 2: Thank you.
29:08
Speaker 1: And the body and the personality and everything. Like you are,
29:13
Speaker 1: when Nimi says, The I and the T. You're that
29:18
Speaker 1: in capitalization. I love NeNe, by the way.
29:19
Speaker 2: Shout out to NeNe.
29:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, NeNe's fantastic. Like, you're the definition of having
29:23
Speaker 1: the I and the T. And it's bolded, it's italicized,
29:27
Speaker 1: it's capitalized, it's laminated, it's notarized.
29:31
Speaker 2: Thank you.
29:31
Speaker 1: It's FedEx next day shipping. It's all the things, right?
29:34
Speaker 1: Thank you. So, you are misguided. Jamaica. And at that time,
29:43
Speaker 1: there was like Mr. Jamaica, Usain Bolt. I can hear
29:51
Speaker 1: my teeth. I'm sorry. Did he prep you guys? No.
29:56
Speaker 1: First of all, some rage drops. Y'all can't see this,
30:00
Speaker 1: but Chanel, the stylist of the stars, is behind her
30:04
Speaker 1: because they've been best friends for years. And what y'all
30:07
Speaker 1: are missing is every time I say a name, they're gagging. Literally.
30:11
Speaker 1: Like Lisa's team behind her, they're gagging at my... So
30:17
Speaker 1: when y'all try to not give me my props for
30:19
Speaker 1: being a journalist, I know how to do my research.
30:22
Speaker 2: Oh my God, do you?
30:24
Speaker 1: Usain Bolt, who I heard allegedly... Well, you're married, but
30:29
Speaker 1: I definitely heard.
30:30
Speaker 3: We.
30:32
Speaker 2: Were friends. We were friends.
30:35
Speaker 1: Yes. I didn't know... Was it Prince with Benefits? Oh,
30:40
Speaker 1: my God, Carlos! I mean, this is before you were married.
30:43
Speaker 2: I have three sons!
30:44
Speaker 1: I know, but they need to know that mom was
30:46
Speaker 1: always that girl.
30:47
Speaker 2: She was.
30:49
Speaker 1: And is. And will always be. I was going to say,
30:53
Speaker 1: and always will be, bitch.
30:55
Speaker 2: We were friends. We were friends.
30:57
Speaker 1: How did y'all meet?
30:59
Speaker 3: Um.
31:04
Speaker 2: I think I was on a Miss Jamaica run, but
31:08
Speaker 2: not doing sprints. Carlos!
31:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we met in a nightclub. We met in
31:22
Speaker 3: a nightclub in Jamaica on one of my Jamaica tours.
31:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. And he came up to you?
31:27
Speaker 2: I can't remember the details, but we were friends for
31:31
Speaker 2: a while.
31:32
Speaker 1: Okay. What type of person would you say he is
31:36
Speaker 1: at that time?
31:38
Speaker 2: A great person.
31:39
Speaker 3: I mean, at the time, I think it was fresh
31:42
Speaker 3: off the back of him winning all these medals. He's
31:46
Speaker 3: like an icon in Jamaica. And honestly, another, like, it's
31:50
Speaker 3: crazy because I'm friends with all my old friends. You know,
31:54
Speaker 3: in the sense where I think everybody just has this
31:56
Speaker 3: respect for me because I've always just been very true
32:01
Speaker 3: to who I am. You know, do you meet these
32:03
Speaker 3: criteria that I'm looking for? If you don't, I will
32:07
Speaker 3: politely excuse myself from the situation.
32:10
Speaker 2: Every guy I've ever dated or been friends with, I've
32:15
Speaker 2: always been very clear. Like, I want to be a wife.
32:17
Speaker 2: I want to be a mom. What are you looking for?
32:20
Speaker 3: You know, and so they will string it along as
32:23
Speaker 3: long as they can. But if you're wasting my time,
32:26
Speaker 3: I'm going to move on. And it doesn't have to
32:28
Speaker 3: be something that's messy, dramatic, you know, a crazy breakup.
32:33
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be any of that. It's just,
32:36
Speaker 3: are you ready to give me these things that I'm
32:37
Speaker 3: looking for? I didn't care if it scared people off.
32:41
Speaker 3: I didn't care because if you're not on the same
32:43
Speaker 3: page as me, we're not going to work. You know,
32:45
Speaker 3: I always felt like anybody, I've never had a one
32:48
Speaker 3: night stand. Shout out to the girls who have no judgment.
32:52
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. You know, your body, your choice.
32:55
Speaker 3: But I've never done that because I always felt like
32:57
Speaker 3: the exchange of it's an exchange of energy. And so
33:01
Speaker 3: because of that, I've never done that. So for me,
33:03
Speaker 3: anybody that I've shared my life with, been in my presence,
33:07
Speaker 3: shared my body with is someone who I I look.
33:10
Speaker 2: To the future with.
33:11
Speaker 3: Right.
33:12
Speaker 2: And so if you weren't giving me that, I was
33:15
Speaker 2: going to move on.
33:16
Speaker 1: Good for you. Yeah.
33:17
Speaker 3: And I've always been like that because I can't, as
33:20
Speaker 3: my mom said, you can't waste your youth, Panama.
33:23
Speaker 2: Okay. And men do that.
33:25
Speaker 3: And I think my mom went through that. She gave
33:27
Speaker 3: my dad her whole youth and then to be left,
33:31
Speaker 3: you know, when she's older to, to find somebody new
33:34
Speaker 3: to start over to build with, you know?
33:36
Speaker 2: And so, and he didn't give her that commitment. He
33:38
Speaker 2: didn't give her all of him.
33:41
Speaker 3: You know, it was always him out and doing him
33:44
Speaker 3: and then she was being loyal. And so, you know,
33:47
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like a thing that black
33:50
Speaker 3: women feel like they need to be loyal to men.
33:54
Speaker 2: You know, no, you need to be loyal to yourself.
33:57
Speaker 2: you have to choose you.
33:59
Speaker 1: And that's how a man will respect you as well.
34:02
Speaker 1: I love the fact that just because we're Jason Derulo,
34:05
Speaker 1: because at that time in his career, I mean, the,
34:09
Speaker 1: at that time, the biggest black male pop star, like international, right?
34:16
Speaker 1: And the fact that you, back.
34:17
Speaker 2: Then he was just starting out. He was, he was
34:19
Speaker 2: a high school kid.
34:20
Speaker 3: I was in music. He was in music. Um, you know,
34:25
Speaker 3: and then it, His career was just taking off. It
34:28
Speaker 3: didn't like skyrocket to what it is now. And to
34:32
Speaker 3: his credit, where it is now is because of how
34:34
Speaker 3: hard he works.
34:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I'm proud of you that you didn't feel like, well,
34:38
Speaker 1: let me just stay on the ride. No. Because I
34:40
Speaker 1: see the potential.
34:42
Speaker 2: Absolutely freaking not. Absolutely not.
34:44
Speaker 3: I choose me in every fucking life, Carlos, in this
34:48
Speaker 3: and the next. And I never, ever felt like that
34:52
Speaker 3: was the best I could do. And I think a
34:54
Speaker 3: lot of women, they don't move on because they feel
34:57
Speaker 3: like they've hit the jackpot or they hit the best
34:59
Speaker 3: that they can do.
35:01
Speaker 1: You know?
35:01
Speaker 2: No, honestly.
35:02
Speaker 1: No, I'm receiving that.
35:04
Speaker 3: And I never felt like that because I always felt
35:07
Speaker 3: like I was the prize. I never felt like any
35:10
Speaker 3: of these guys that I had in my past was
35:13
Speaker 3: the prize. And by the way, the ones you listed
35:15
Speaker 3: are not even scratching the surface. You know, I've moved
35:19
Speaker 3: on to bigger and better as time went on until
35:22
Speaker 3: I got to my husband, who's the best. But really,
35:24
Speaker 3: I never felt like they were the prize. I felt
35:27
Speaker 3: like I was the prize. I felt like I brought
35:30
Speaker 3: as much to the table as the person that's coming in.
35:33
Speaker 3: And it's not a financial thing. I was never attracted
35:35
Speaker 3: to money. I was always attracted to ambition. I can
35:40
Speaker 3: make any man rich. Any man rich if he has ambition.
35:46
Speaker 3: So I never looked for a man that had money
35:49
Speaker 3: because I know the drive that I have, whether I'm
35:52
Speaker 3: a housewife, whether I am not a housewife, I am
35:56
Speaker 3: going to get you to where God wants you to be.
36:00
Speaker 3: So I never looked at a man like, oh, I
36:03
Speaker 3: see that he has potential and he's going, yes, he
36:06
Speaker 3: may have potential. He's going where he needs to be.
36:08
Speaker 3: But are we moving in the same direction? And if
36:11
Speaker 3: we're not, I'm moving the fuck on. Because I know,
36:16
Speaker 3: my husband, for example, when I met him, he was successful,
36:19
Speaker 3: but not as successful as he is today.
36:21
Speaker 2: And he'll tell you that. He will tell you that.
36:25
Speaker 3: I never leave a situation with a man being worse
36:28
Speaker 3: than when he got into my presence. And that's not
36:31
Speaker 3: even me being arrogant. That's just me being who I am.
36:34
Speaker 3: I am so ambitious. And I just see the world
36:39
Speaker 3: as my oyster that I feel like anything that I manifest.
36:43
Speaker 3: And by the way, my husband and I, when we met,
36:45
Speaker 3: we bonded over the secret, which my mom introduced me to.
36:49
Speaker 2: As a child.
36:51
Speaker 1: A child.
36:52
Speaker 3: My mom introduced me to as a child. I was
36:55
Speaker 3: like a young teenager. She brought the book home. I
36:58
Speaker 3: wouldn't read the book. And she was so persistent. She
37:00
Speaker 3: brought I think it was it was either VHS or DVD.
37:03
Speaker 3: But she brought it home and she was like, let's
37:05
Speaker 3: just do movie night because movie night was our thing.
37:08
Speaker 3: And it was the secret. And I've lived the secret
37:11
Speaker 3: my whole life before manifestation was a thing before vision
37:14
Speaker 3: board before Instagram before all of that. And so I
37:18
Speaker 3: always knew I wanted to be a mom. I always
37:20
Speaker 3: knew I wanted to be a wife. I always knew
37:23
Speaker 3: I wanted to have a successful fashion brand. I always
37:26
Speaker 3: knew all of these things. So like when you asked
37:28
Speaker 3: me when we started talking, Lisa, what were you as
37:31
Speaker 3: a child? I was little Lisa. Everything doesn't always work
37:36
Speaker 3: out how I plan it, but it works out better
37:41
Speaker 3: most times.
37:42
Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated by that because the beauty of you is...
37:50
Speaker 1: you speak with conviction, right? And because you actually, you
37:57
Speaker 1: walk the walk and you talk the talk. Like, this
38:00
Speaker 1: isn't some PSA bullshit that you're trying to do to
38:02
Speaker 1: sell a course. Like, this is something you truly believe in.
38:05
Speaker 1: The reason why I'm silent is because the powerful affirmations
38:11
Speaker 1: that you are even giving me, you know, across from you,
38:15
Speaker 1: the energy is so... tangible that I can feel it.
38:21
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And it's me actually, truly
38:26
Speaker 1: receiving the energy because I believe in all that. I
38:28
Speaker 1: read The Secret. I watched the same movie you watched.
38:31
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, no, girl, I know everything you're
38:34
Speaker 1: talking about.
38:35
Speaker 2: But I've always been like this, Carlos.
38:37
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back to even my college
38:39
Speaker 3: hill footage, people always tag me when my first introduction,
38:44
Speaker 3: they pulled a big yacht up and out of nowhere,
38:46
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going to own one of those. And
38:49
Speaker 3: Kyle was like, you know, and I'm like, I'm going
38:52
Speaker 3: to have one of those.
38:53
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to.
38:53
Speaker 2: Oh, we pull up to the house and start. Oh,
38:55
Speaker 2: that's going to be mine.
38:56
Speaker 3: I've always been like that. Not on purpose, not consciously,
39:01
Speaker 3: but my subconscious is always in the now and in
39:06
Speaker 3: the future at the same time. You know, I don't
39:09
Speaker 3: even know how to put it into words, but I've
39:11
Speaker 3: always been that person. And so with my previous relationships,
39:15
Speaker 3: with even my current relationship, you know, I love my
39:18
Speaker 3: husband so much. He's literally my best friend. He's everything
39:22
Speaker 3: that I prayed for and more. When I was going
39:25
Speaker 3: through my relationship before him, I was on the bathroom
39:28
Speaker 3: floor crying. my eyes out because my boyfriend at the
39:32
Speaker 3: time publicly humiliated me. And I was like, this cannot
39:36
Speaker 3: be it.
39:37
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant broke your heart.
39:40
Speaker 2: How did Kevin break my heart?
39:42
Speaker 1: Because that's why you were crying. Because he... No.
39:46
Speaker 2: You know what?
39:47
Speaker 1: Okay, listen. Listen. There's a tweet about Kevin Durant, um,
39:53
Speaker 1: that Kevin Durant did. And I would like for you
39:57
Speaker 1: to clear the air because I, you know, sometimes things
40:00
Speaker 1: aren't true.
40:01
Speaker 2: Carlos, this was what, 20 years ago?
40:04
Speaker 1: You know, things live on the world wide web and
40:08
Speaker 1: his fabulous mother who manages him, um, Did not expunge it, child.
40:16
Speaker 3: All right.
40:17
Speaker 1: There's a tweet out there that I was able to
40:18
Speaker 1: find on the World Wide Web where Cameron Durant was
40:21
Speaker 1: watching College Hill, right? Lisa was on it. And he
40:26
Speaker 1: pretty much said, who is this Lisa Milan girl? Like,
40:29
Speaker 1: who is she? And it went viral at that time. Oh,
40:33
Speaker 1: my God. At that time. In terms of what viral
40:37
Speaker 1: meant at that time. And that's how you were able
40:41
Speaker 1: to find out that this man found you attractive. Yeah. Yeah.
40:47
Speaker 2: Carlos and his digging.
40:50
Speaker 1: Did he reach out to you? Did you respond in
40:54
Speaker 1: the Twitter?
40:55
Speaker 2: Everybody asks that. Did I ever respond to the DM?
40:58
Speaker 2: I did respond to the tweet. We were friends. You know, Curtis,
41:03
Speaker 2: I was friends with these people.
41:05
Speaker 1: That's fine. Yeah.
41:07
Speaker 2: I was friends with these people. Yeah, we were friends.
41:13
Speaker 1: How long we got friends for?
41:15
Speaker 2: Not that long.
41:16
Speaker 1: Okay.
41:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, we weren't friends that long. Yeah, there was an
41:21
Speaker 3: overlap with my friendships.
41:24
Speaker 1: I did hear it was an overlap between Usain and Kevin. Wow. Okay. Well,
41:34
Speaker 1: this ain't Watch What Happens Live, so... Hi, Andy. The
41:40
Speaker 1: thing is... Oh, my God, Carlos! Was Usain not happy
41:46
Speaker 1: that this guy in the NBA pretty much wanted his girl?
41:53
Speaker 2: Well, I was friends with Kevin first. Right. Right?
41:56
Speaker 3: And then, you know, our friendship... Didn't go anywhere. And
42:00
Speaker 3: then I was friends with Usain. And then we all
42:03
Speaker 3: moved on, you know?
42:04
Speaker 2: I need to blot, guys.
42:05
Speaker 1: Not blot! Is that what we're calling it? We're keeping
42:10
Speaker 1: all this in, by the way. This is the first
42:12
Speaker 1: interview where my guest is like, bitch, where's glam? And
42:16
Speaker 1: blot me. Where is glam to blot me? And I'm
42:18
Speaker 1: literally keeping all of this in. I'm sweating and blotting. Oh,
42:24
Speaker 1: my God. Chanel's gagging. Oh, my God. I do my research. Wait,
42:30
Speaker 1: but what research is this, though, Carlos? I mean, is
42:33
Speaker 1: it not a true one? Like, you're going too far back.
42:36
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes you have to... With.
42:40
Speaker 2: The old school girls, you got to go all the
42:42
Speaker 2: way back.
42:42
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to go backwards to get forward. Okay,
42:45
Speaker 1: we didn't take out. I love this so much. We
42:55
Speaker 1: giving y'all some behind the scenes in Reality with the King.
42:57
Speaker 1: The first interview in the history of my podcast. Oh
43:01
Speaker 1: my God. Where you guys get to see what happens. No,
43:04
Speaker 1: you can't keep this in. You're the first guest in
43:07
Speaker 1: the history of Reality with the King. In the middle
43:10
Speaker 1: of the interview say, block me, bitch. I need to
43:13
Speaker 1: figure this out. You just made history. Because... You are
43:22
Speaker 1: that girl. Oh, my God, Carlos. Okay, so you were
43:26
Speaker 1: crying over a.
43:28
Speaker 2: Ex-boyfriend.
43:29
Speaker 1: Ex-boyfriend.
43:31
Speaker 2: Crying my eyes out. Publicly humiliated.
43:35
Speaker 1: Why were you publicly humiliated, though?
43:39
Speaker 2: Because I was cheating on. I was cheated on. I
43:41
Speaker 2: was cheated on publicly.
43:42
Speaker 3: Like, it was like a whole new thing.
43:45
Speaker 1: Who was the ex?
43:46
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.
43:47
Speaker 1: He was celebrity.
43:48
Speaker 2: He was celebrity.
43:49
Speaker 1: In sports. In sports.
43:50
Speaker 2: He was celebrating something.
43:51
Speaker 1: Okay.
43:54
Speaker 3: And everybody at the time knew we were together. So
43:56
Speaker 3: it was just like, why? Like, why would you do this? Anyways,
44:00
Speaker 3: long story short, crying on my bathroom floor, my best
44:04
Speaker 3: friend Irene, she was like, girl, what you not going
44:08
Speaker 3: to do is be locked up in your apartment crying
44:11
Speaker 3: over no man. Like, we don't do that. And I
44:13
Speaker 3: was like, yes, but this is not my way out.
44:16
Speaker 3: And she was like, no, it's Sunday.
44:18
Speaker 2: We're going to live.
44:19
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm not in the mood. I
44:21
Speaker 3: don't want to go. And she was like, I'm picking
44:23
Speaker 3: you up. We're going to live. The promoter said he
44:26
Speaker 3: got us.
44:27
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, bet.
44:29
Speaker 3: You know, live on Sunday, Miami. Like back then, like
44:33
Speaker 3: that was the place to be. That was the thing
44:35
Speaker 3: to do. And that's literally how you get rid of
44:37
Speaker 3: an ex. So we did just that. And I met
44:41
Speaker 3: my husband.
44:42
Speaker 2: That night.
44:43
Speaker 3: But I didn't know at the time he was my husband. Actually,
44:45
Speaker 3: my best friend and his business partner, they hit it off.
44:48
Speaker 3: And we were the wingmen because he was going through
44:51
Speaker 3: a breakup and was on his.
44:53
Speaker 2: Worldwide trip to be very wild.
44:56
Speaker 3: And I was just crying on my bathroom floor, not
44:59
Speaker 3: even sure if I like men anymore.
45:01
Speaker 2: Right. So it was a situation. And yeah, I met
45:04
Speaker 2: my husband at Live.
45:08
Speaker 1: So what? sparked the conversation between you and your now
45:14
Speaker 1: husband at that time? Like, did he approach you and.
45:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had a table.
45:21
Speaker 3: And the table had Ace of Spades and Dom Perignon
45:23
Speaker 3: and all the good shit. And we walked in. The
45:26
Speaker 3: promoter was like, okay. At the time, I was just Milan.
45:30
Speaker 3: So they were like, okay, Milan, putting you on the
45:32
Speaker 3: best table. They put us on the table with my husband.
45:35
Speaker 1: Okay.
45:36
Speaker 3: Who was just there with his business partner, no girls.
45:38
Speaker 3: So Liv used to have a thing where you can't
45:41
Speaker 3: just have a table with guys. Like, you need to
45:43
Speaker 3: have girls on your table. And so as soon as
45:45
Speaker 3: we pulled up, they put us on that table.
45:47
Speaker 2: I was not interested. But, you know, he was nice.
45:51
Speaker 2: He was chatty.
45:52
Speaker 3: But my best friend and his business partner, like, they
45:55
Speaker 3: were love at first sight at the time. They didn't
45:58
Speaker 3: work out. But we were kind of like the wingmen.
46:01
Speaker 3: And he's sitting over there.
46:04
Speaker 2: Because she's still my best friend to this day.
46:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were there. We had a witness in
46:09
Speaker 1: the building.
46:09
Speaker 2: 20 years.
46:13
Speaker 1: So legend has it that that night, the conversation did
46:21
Speaker 1: not end there. So what happened?
46:23
Speaker 2: Not legend.
46:24
Speaker 3: You read this because I wrote a whole story about this.
46:27
Speaker 2: But yeah, so no, it didn't end there.
46:31
Speaker 3: I think the next day, we didn't go home with
46:32
Speaker 3: them because I'm not, like I said, I'm not a
46:34
Speaker 3: one night stand girl. But they were like, hey, let's
46:37
Speaker 3: go to lunch. So we went to, I think, Ball
46:39
Speaker 3: Harbor for lunch. And I was like, okay, you better
46:41
Speaker 3: get me some Red Bottoms. You better buy me some things.
46:44
Speaker 3: And they were not playing game.
46:46
Speaker 1: He took you shopping?
46:47
Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
46:49
Speaker 3: And I thought that was a red flag. I was like, okay,
46:52
Speaker 3: you took me out and didn't buy me things. Like,
46:54
Speaker 3: that's a red flag. You know, but they were like, we've.
46:57
Speaker 2: Never been to the Caribbean. Oh, you're Jamaican. Let's go
46:59
Speaker 2: to Jamaica. And I was like, okay. So he was like,
47:02
Speaker 2: let's get a private jet. And I was like, okay.
47:05
Speaker 1: And.
47:06
Speaker 3: There were no flights to Jamaica because there was a storm.
47:08
Speaker 3: So we ended up in the Bahamas.
47:10
Speaker 2: On a private jet? Yes. And the rest is history.
47:15
Speaker 2: Here we are today. Almost 15 years.
47:18
Speaker 1: At that time. 14. At that time, did you ever
47:23
Speaker 1: date a white man?
47:24
Speaker 2: Yes.
47:25
Speaker 3: I did.
47:25
Speaker 1: Prior to him.
47:26
Speaker 3: I did date white guys before my husband. I dated
47:29
Speaker 3: all types, Carlos. I'm not that girl that's like, I'm only.
47:33
Speaker 2: Dating black men.
47:34
Speaker 3: I actually think that limits black women, like to the extreme,
47:38
Speaker 3: because I don't think black men are as loyal to
47:41
Speaker 3: black women as we are to them.
47:43
Speaker 2: I go where I'm loved. I go where I'm appreciated.
47:47
Speaker 2: I go where I'm respected.
47:49
Speaker 3: If I can get those three and the vibe is right,
47:53
Speaker 3: I'm going to go there. You know, I mean, 50
47:56
Speaker 3: Cent made a comment and he was like, I like exotics. Well,
48:00
Speaker 3: Newsflat to white, Asian, Hispanic, every other, we are the exotic.
48:06
Speaker 2: You know, so I don't limit myself, Carlos. I go
48:09
Speaker 2: where I'm loved. I go where I'm respected. And that's that.
48:14
Speaker 1: What advice do you give black women? Because I do
48:16
Speaker 1: have a lot of single black female friends. Mm-hmm.
48:20
Speaker 2: And how is that working out for them?
48:23
Speaker 1: Not so well.
48:23
Speaker 2: Because the dating pool is so small.
48:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
48:25
Speaker 3: And then the successful black men, most of them, not all,
48:28
Speaker 3: because I love black men. I've dated black men.
48:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
48:32
Speaker 3: Most of them, you know, they have this mindset where
48:36
Speaker 3: they're successful so they feel like they can have multiple
48:38
Speaker 3: because they are just that small percentage.
48:42
Speaker 2: My advice would be go out and date others.
48:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
48:46
Speaker 2: You know, date others. Go where you're loved.
48:48
Speaker 3: If you're loved by a black guy, respected, treated well,
48:52
Speaker 3: be with him. If you're loved by a white guy,
48:55
Speaker 3: don't limit yourself.
48:56
Speaker 2: Be with him.
48:56
Speaker 3: Asian, Hispanic, whatever it is. Because I feel ultimately the
49:02
Speaker 3: world will be neutral. I pray for that one day.
49:05
Speaker 3: I pray for the day where our great, great grandchildren
49:09
Speaker 3: don't have to identify by a race on a thing.
49:13
Speaker 1: Right.
49:13
Speaker 2: And me, I see color and I see color for
49:16
Speaker 2: what it is. It's beautiful. And it's made it's meant
49:19
Speaker 2: to be.
49:20
Speaker 3: Blended you know it's meant to be celebrated but only
49:24
Speaker 3: where you're loved and respected because I for damn sure
49:29
Speaker 3: I'm not going to stay loyal and committed and down
49:34
Speaker 3: for one group because I'm not I'm not going to
49:39
Speaker 3: do that I'm going to be down and loyal for
49:41
Speaker 3: those who are down and loyal for me. And whether
49:44
Speaker 3: that comes in the form of a black man, a
49:46
Speaker 3: white man, an Asian man, that's where I'm going to go.
49:49
Speaker 3: And I think too often black women are, we're just
49:51
Speaker 3: such loyal women that I feel so often we're like, oh, no, no, no,
49:56
Speaker 3: I'm only dating black. I mean, the other day there
49:58
Speaker 3: was this girl that was missing, rest her soul. And
50:01
Speaker 3: it was the whole situation with the white guy. And
50:03
Speaker 3: so many women are like, well, that's why I don't date.
50:05
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, no.
50:08
Speaker 3: You know, because if you look at statistic, then you'll
50:11
Speaker 3: be like, well, that's why I don't date black or
50:14
Speaker 3: that's why I don't date white. You know, you got
50:16
Speaker 3: to go where you're loved. And everybody's situation is completely different.
50:21
Speaker 3: My advice would be go where you're loved and respected.
50:24
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. I think you go where
50:26
Speaker 1: you love and you're respected, especially as black women. I think, listen,
50:34
Speaker 1: the stats are there that Unfortunately, when a black man
50:38
Speaker 1: makes it big, whether it's in the entertainment industry or
50:41
Speaker 1: whatever industry they're in, like you said, they do know
50:45
Speaker 1: that there are an anomaly and they can have multiple women.
50:49
Speaker 1: And the women will accept it because they feel like,
50:52
Speaker 1: you know, they.
50:53
Speaker 2: Feel like that's the best they can do.
50:54
Speaker 3: I know.
50:54
Speaker 1: And that's why I do want you to talk to
50:57
Speaker 1: us about the fact that look. You are with a
51:02
Speaker 1: man that not only, yes, he's rich and successful, we
51:05
Speaker 1: get it. But the difference is, because I've had friends
51:09
Speaker 1: who dated, married white men who were rich and successful,
51:14
Speaker 1: but they weren't nice to them. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And
51:19
Speaker 1: what we've seen is your husband is nice to you.
51:23
Speaker 2: He's amazing. Listen, white is not always right.
51:26
Speaker 1: Exactly.
51:26
Speaker 2: And that rhymes.
51:27
Speaker 3: Right. White is not always right. That's not what we're
51:30
Speaker 3: pushing here. My husband could be an anomaly, whatever. He
51:36
Speaker 3: could be one off, right? But he's my person and
51:41
Speaker 3: he's not my person because of the color of his skin.
51:43
Speaker 3: He's my person because he genuinely loves me. When the wig,
51:47
Speaker 3: the makeup, all of it comes off, when I'm at
51:50
Speaker 3: my weakest, he loves me just as much as he
51:54
Speaker 3: does when I'm at my best.
51:56
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
51:56
Speaker 3: Like, he actually prefers me when I'm not dolled up
52:02
Speaker 3: and all of that. He loves me when we're just
52:04
Speaker 3: sitting there just having conversations about life and where we
52:07
Speaker 3: want to go and what we're trying to do.
52:08
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean?
52:10
Speaker 3: Me supporting him when things are down, him supporting me
52:12
Speaker 3: when things are down. Like, literally, I pray to God
52:15
Speaker 3: that God continues to bless our marriage. And I'm not
52:18
Speaker 3: saying it's perfect. It's far from it. But it's real, Carlos. Like,
52:23
Speaker 3: I could cry.
52:24
Speaker 2: Like, it's real.
52:25
Speaker 1: It's real.
52:26
Speaker 3: Like I grew up in a situation where with my father,
52:30
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know my biological father until I
52:32
Speaker 3: was older. My adopted father raised me. I look at
52:37
Speaker 3: men at face value, right? Because a Chinese man broke
52:42
Speaker 3: my mom's heart. A black man abandoned my mom. Her
52:46
Speaker 3: last name is Garcia because she married a Hispanic man
52:50
Speaker 3: that also failed her.
52:51
Speaker 2: So for me, I look at people for who they are.
52:55
Speaker 2: Not for this.
52:57
Speaker 3: You understand? And not for what's in their pockets. Like,
53:00
Speaker 3: where are we going together? Can we build together? If
53:05
Speaker 3: you're not pulling in the same direction, regardless of race,
53:08
Speaker 3: regardless of finances, you're not going to work out. What
53:12
Speaker 3: are your goals? You need to find that out.
53:14
Speaker 2: What are your goals? What are you trying to achieve?
53:16
Speaker 3: And I have friends who are in their 40s and
53:19
Speaker 3: still looking for love. And I think love is out there.
53:22
Speaker 1: But.
53:24
Speaker 3: You have to open up the gates and not just
53:27
Speaker 3: be specific to one type of guy, right? Because then
53:31
Speaker 3: your margins are smaller.
53:33
Speaker 2: It's math, right? Your margins are smaller. Why not go
53:36
Speaker 2: on the.
53:37
Speaker 3: Date with the quirky guy that's Asian guy that sits
53:40
Speaker 3: behind the desk? Why not give the guy that bought
53:43
Speaker 3: you coffee at the coffee shop A chance.
53:47
Speaker 2: You know, why? Because he must be black.
53:49
Speaker 3: Why?
53:50
Speaker 1: Or you think he's soft or corny and.
53:53
Speaker 2: All of these things.
53:54
Speaker 3: Like, you know, like, why do we have to always
53:56
Speaker 3: go for what we think in our minds? Like, my
53:59
Speaker 3: husband is not what I envisioned when I was a
54:02
Speaker 3: little girl. You know, like, he wasn't, but he fits
54:05
Speaker 3: everything internally.
54:07
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
54:08
Speaker 3: He fits everything internally. Like, my husband loves me, and
54:13
Speaker 3: I love him so much. So I can cry like
54:17
Speaker 3: so much. Like I can't even imagine life without him.
54:21
Speaker 3: But if life were to end without him, I would
54:24
Speaker 3: also be okay. I would be okay because I knew
54:26
Speaker 3: I gave that relationship 100%. And I'll be okay because
54:30
Speaker 3: I know on to the next. And the next will
54:32
Speaker 3: be better, onward and upward.
54:34
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
54:35
Speaker 3: And I hope that little girls, I hope that little boys, whether...
54:41
Speaker 3: Regardless of your situation, regardless of where you're coming from,
54:44
Speaker 3: just give people a chance.
54:46
Speaker 2: Give people a chance. Not because you need to be loyal.
54:49
Speaker 3: Not because society tells you that's the type of person
54:51
Speaker 3: you should be with. But because the person is your person.
54:55
Speaker 2: You know?
54:56
Speaker 3: And I feel like that's what we're lacking. And that's
54:59
Speaker 3: why so many of us are single. Single. Because we're
55:03
Speaker 3: just so caught up on, I'm sorry, I only date this, this, this.
55:07
Speaker 1: You appreciate that. Yes. I feel the same way about
55:10
Speaker 1: my community. And I've been very public about this. Because
55:12
Speaker 1: in the gay community, believe it or not. Yeah. They,
55:16
Speaker 1: not they, because I'm part of the community. In our community,
55:19
Speaker 1: the gay black community, there's so much decision between us
55:23
Speaker 1: because of. Sexual positions being a top and a bottom, right?
55:27
Speaker 1: I only date a top. I only want a bottom.
55:29
Speaker 1: I only want a masculine man. You know, it's all
55:32
Speaker 1: of these sort of focus that removes you from finding somebody...
55:38
Speaker 1: That's your person. Who's your person. And one thing you
55:41
Speaker 1: did say that I do want you to... really shed
55:45
Speaker 1: light on, too, for Black women watching as well. You
55:49
Speaker 1: said that the man who you meet, now, granted, you
55:53
Speaker 1: happen to be with the man who's rich, but the
55:55
Speaker 1: fact that you said, no, he's richer because I'm his wife, right?
56:00
Speaker 1: Talk to the girls at home who are watching. Do
56:04
Speaker 1: you feel like as long as a woman or a
56:09
Speaker 1: person has ambition... And this man works. I can turn
56:17
Speaker 1: this man and build something with him together to be
56:20
Speaker 1: a multimillionaire. How do you do that?
56:24
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Carlos.
56:25
Speaker 3: Because listen, one thing that cannot be taught is ambition.
56:30
Speaker 3: You cannot teach someone to be ambitious. they either want
56:34
Speaker 3: to get out or they don't. Whatever the out is,
56:38
Speaker 3: they either want to do better or they don't, right?
56:42
Speaker 3: So for me, dating, I always look for someone who
56:45
Speaker 3: was ambitious. Whether you are the most ambitious garbage man
56:49
Speaker 3: that we can come together and build a whole garbage
56:53
Speaker 3: business where the city is calling us to pick up
56:55
Speaker 3: all their fucking trash, or you are a financier who
57:01
Speaker 3: maybe works for a corporation. But hey, how about we
57:05
Speaker 3: start investing and how about we start, you know, doing
57:08
Speaker 3: things where we end up owning the corporation. It doesn't
57:12
Speaker 3: matter what the situation is. You need somebody who is ambitious.
57:17
Speaker 3: And because for me, I'm naturally just a very ambitious person.
57:20
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't, people used to be like, oh
57:24
Speaker 2: my gosh, you only talk to men with money. No,
57:26
Speaker 2: the fuck I don't. But I'll tell you one thing
57:28
Speaker 2: for sure. People with money only talk to me.
57:31
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that for fucking free.
57:32
Speaker 1: Bitch, Lisa Milan?
57:34
Speaker 2: For free.
57:35
Speaker 1: Set up one more time for us again.
57:36
Speaker 2: I don't even know what I said. But I'm talking
57:38
Speaker 2: to you on some real shit.
57:40
Speaker 1: No, the thing is this. People think you only talk
57:43
Speaker 1: to men with money. But I bet you that men
57:49
Speaker 1: with money only talk to me. Yeah. That's it.
57:53
Speaker 3: Because I think I give off this kind of energy
57:56
Speaker 3: where if you are not.
57:59
Speaker 3: Heading in the right direction, that I will intimidate you.
58:03
Speaker 3: So naturally, you would not even approach me.
58:07
Speaker 2: Approach me. I've dated all sorts, Carlos. All sorts. But
58:12
Speaker 2: one thing they all had in common was ambition. Ambition.
58:18
Speaker 1: That's it.
58:20
Speaker 2: Like, my roster, which for my sons is not that long.
58:26
Speaker 3: But my little short roster is all successful, ambitious men
58:33
Speaker 3: from all walks of life.
58:35
Speaker 2: All walks of life.
58:36
Speaker 3: From oil tycoons, businessmen, lawyers, regular Joe Schmo, drug dealers.
58:45
Speaker 3: They all had ambition.
58:48
Speaker 2: Clock it.
58:50
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm here for you. Okay, I've always said this
58:54
Speaker 1: publicly so my brain jobs know this. My ideal man Yeah.
58:58
Speaker 1: I want the male version of Marjorie Harvey.
59:01
Speaker 2: Yes.
59:02
Speaker 1: Because you are baby Marjorie Harvey too. Marjorie will love you.
59:07
Speaker 1: I met her.
59:09
Speaker 2: I met her.
59:10
Speaker 1: Orr.
59:11
Speaker 2: Love her.
59:11
Speaker 1: Former neighbors. You remind me a lot of your neighbors. Former.
59:15
Speaker 1: I sold my house, yeah. You remind me a lot
59:17
Speaker 1: of Keisha. That's my.
59:19
Speaker 2: good friend gorgeous and she's jamaican.
59:21
Speaker 1: Yeah that's my good friend yeah um and your mom
59:25
Speaker 1: is savannah james you have so my brain jobs know
59:29
Speaker 1: that carlos ideal man is they gotta have that and
59:32
Speaker 1: the one thing those three women have and now i'm
59:34
Speaker 1: gonna include you thank you i really want the gay
59:39
Speaker 1: black male version of you no because the thing is
59:42
Speaker 1: this I am blessed to have means. Yes. Right?
59:48
Speaker 3: Yes.
59:49
Speaker 1: And what is so fascinating about what you said that
59:51
Speaker 1: I will confirm, the type of guys that I talk to,
59:57
Speaker 1: I know that they're the type of men that I
1:00:01
Speaker 1: can bring to my world and they won't get starstruck. Yes.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: And I know that they're the type of men I
1:00:07
Speaker 1: can bring to my world. And they can add value.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: You took the words out of my mouth, they can
1:00:12
Speaker 1: add value to it. And that's my thing. And I
1:00:16
Speaker 1: know what it's like. I dated the lawyers, the this
1:00:19
Speaker 1: and the that. And the issue is those didn't work out.
1:00:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. I dumped a lawyer before.
1:00:26
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:00:26
Speaker 3: Because he was okay not making partner. Like, how are
1:00:31
Speaker 3: you okay not making partner?
1:00:32
Speaker 2: Actually, how are you okay not starting your own firm?
1:00:37
Speaker 2: It just didn't make sense.
1:00:38
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. You know? I get it because
1:00:41
Speaker 1: I have ambition. Yeah. And I know because people love
1:00:44
Speaker 1: to say this. Well, do you think guys are using you?
1:00:46
Speaker 1: First of all, I know when a guy wants me
1:00:47
Speaker 1: for something else. Yeah. But I always tell my friends this. Listen,
1:00:53
Speaker 1: I'm not bad to look at. Right? No. And we
1:00:56
Speaker 1: got to.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Get into it because Carlos, how you lost so much weight?
1:00:59
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm just saying.
1:01:00
Speaker 2: I mean, is it a GLB?
1:01:02
Speaker 1: No! I work out a vegan. It's a plant-based body. No.
1:01:06
Speaker 1: You look good. Thank you, baby doll. I love you
1:01:09
Speaker 1: so much. The thing is, I know that my ambition
1:01:17
Speaker 1: attracts men who are like you.
1:01:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:01:19
Speaker 1: Yeah. And today is the first time in my adult
1:01:25
Speaker 1: life that someone explained it so eloquently. And I'm leaving
1:01:35
Speaker 1: this interview changed. Oh. Because, no, I am. I'm telling
1:01:40
Speaker 1: you right now, I am. And the reason why I'm
1:01:42
Speaker 1: saying to you, you don't have to be a black woman,
1:01:44
Speaker 1: white woman or whatever. I'm a gay black man.
1:01:46
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:01:46
Speaker 1: But I'm leaving this interview changed because I now understand
1:01:52
Speaker 1: what I attract.
1:01:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:01:56
Speaker 1: And what the goal is to bring somebody into my
1:02:01
Speaker 1: space to take what I have built. Yes. And said, babe,
1:02:07
Speaker 1: we're going to figure this shit out. Yeah. And I
1:02:10
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Oh, thank you, Carla.
1:02:12
Speaker 2: I thank you for that.
1:02:13
Speaker 1: That's so kind. And I hope you know I mean it.
1:02:15
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
1:02:16
Speaker 1: I really do. I mean it.
1:02:17
Speaker 2: Thank you.
1:02:18
Speaker 1: We have to get to Real Housewives of Dubai.
1:02:20
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:02:22
Speaker 1: We were very sad when the show was put on pause. Mm-hmm.
1:02:26
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about that? Because when it was
1:02:30
Speaker 1: announced that our girl from College Hill was back on
1:02:32
Speaker 1: reality television, we were happy. Why do you think Dubai
1:02:40
Speaker 1: just did not work?
1:02:42
Speaker 3: I think Dubai worked. I don't think Dubai did not work.
1:02:46
Speaker 3: I thought Dubai was a great show. I thought Dubai
1:02:50
Speaker 3: delivered what they wanted. I just think it was the
1:02:55
Speaker 3: wrong timing. I think Dubai is on pause not because
1:03:00
Speaker 3: Dubai wasn't good. I think Dubai is on pause because
1:03:03
Speaker 3: of everything happening behind the scenes, which is more logistics,
1:03:07
Speaker 3: more than it is cast related, more than it is
1:03:12
Speaker 3: the success of the show. The ratings weren't crazy high,
1:03:17
Speaker 3: but none of the shows that came after us were good.
1:03:19
Speaker 3: Because most people are watching things on their phones. Times
1:03:23
Speaker 3: have changed. The numbers have changed. I think we delivered.
1:03:28
Speaker 2: A great show. Was it different?
1:03:30
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:03:31
Speaker 3: But it had to be different because we're in a
1:03:33
Speaker 3: different part of the world.
1:03:34
Speaker 1: Right.
1:03:35
Speaker 3: We had an Emirati girl on the show who, you know,
1:03:40
Speaker 3: we had to tiptoe around. for most of the season.
1:03:45
Speaker 3: We had government officials that we needed to answer to.
1:03:48
Speaker 3: So you were never going to get that rah, rah, rah.
1:03:51
Speaker 3: But I think that's also what made Dubai special. You know,
1:03:54
Speaker 3: because you'll get the rah, but without.
1:03:56
Speaker 2: That rah, rah, rah.
1:03:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:03:59
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:03:59
Speaker 3: You know, and I think that worked. I just think
1:04:02
Speaker 3: the timing was wrong. I think the war in Gaza happened.
1:04:06
Speaker 3: I think the war that's currently happened happened. I think
1:04:10
Speaker 3: all of those things.
1:04:11
Speaker 1: Which would have never... The show would have never come
1:04:14
Speaker 1: back if y'all were in season right now based on
1:04:17
Speaker 1: what's happening. Yeah, exactly.
1:04:19
Speaker 3: So I feel like it's just a timing issue when
1:04:22
Speaker 3: it came to Dubai. Will they ever come back? I
1:04:25
Speaker 3: don't think so. I don't know how they would. I
1:04:28
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, because of the logistics, not because
1:04:31
Speaker 3: of the cast. I think we had a strong cast.
1:04:33
Speaker 3: I think Talene was good. Caroline Stanbury was good. Who
1:04:37
Speaker 3: else was on the show?
1:04:38
Speaker 1: Me. I think Chanel was good.
1:04:42
Speaker 2: You know, I think overall.
1:04:44
Speaker 1: Are y'all good?
1:04:45
Speaker 2: We're not good, but she doesn't... I don't mind and
1:04:48
Speaker 2: she doesn't matter.
1:04:49
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Like, I don't mind and she
1:04:53
Speaker 3: doesn't matter at all.
1:04:54
Speaker 1: But do you miss the friendship? Because you guys were
1:04:56
Speaker 1: very close at one point.
1:04:57
Speaker 2: You know what, Carlos?
1:04:58
Speaker 3: I'm one of these people where I can move on
1:05:00
Speaker 3: from things. I genuinely can. I'm actually very easygoing when
1:05:04
Speaker 3: it comes to moving on from things. But once you
1:05:07
Speaker 3: show me who you are, I take you at face value.
1:05:09
Speaker 2: I believe you. And she showed me who she was.
1:05:13
Speaker 2: So could we get along? Absolutely. But would it be
1:05:17
Speaker 2: the same season one dynamic?
1:05:19
Speaker 1: No.
1:05:20
Speaker 3: Because I'm not a fake bitch. And I'm not going
1:05:22
Speaker 3: to just kiss ass for a TV show. Like, she
1:05:25
Speaker 3: hurt me. And that was real. Everything on our show
1:05:29
Speaker 3: was real. There was no script. And so I think
1:05:32
Speaker 3: because of that, I think things change. But I think
1:05:37
Speaker 3: it would be actually exciting and fun to see the
1:05:40
Speaker 3: new changes and the new dynamics. Like, I'm very good
1:05:42
Speaker 3: friends with Caroline Brooks, who people tried for so many
1:05:46
Speaker 3: years to keep me away from, you know?
1:05:48
Speaker 2: And I think.
1:05:49
Speaker 1: I like her, by the way.
1:05:50
Speaker 3: She's actually batshit crazy, but she is a good, genuine person. Like,
1:05:57
Speaker 3: what you see with her is what you get. You know,
1:06:00
Speaker 3: sometimes misunderstood, but sometimes very fucking accurate. That's who she is.
1:06:04
Speaker 3: And I like people like that. I like people who
1:06:07
Speaker 3: show me who you are and I'll believe you. You know,
1:06:10
Speaker 3: don't pretend to be my friend and then be something
1:06:12
Speaker 3: completely different.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
1:06:14
Speaker 3: Like, just be an asshole as an asshole. Like, don't
1:06:18
Speaker 3: pretend to be something else. So I think if the
1:06:21
Speaker 3: show were to come back, which I highly doubt it will,
1:06:24
Speaker 3: I think The dynamics would change. The friendships would change.
1:06:28
Speaker 3: But I think the show in itself would still be successful.
1:06:31
Speaker 1: What do you have to say to the viewers who
1:06:33
Speaker 1: did feel like you were at fault for the destruction
1:06:36
Speaker 1: of your friendship with Chanel?
1:06:37
Speaker 2: People think that?
1:06:38
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there are people who believe that you.
1:06:41
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody, Carlos, that believes that.
1:06:42
Speaker 1: Well....
1:06:44
Speaker 2: Or is my algorithm only giving me... Yes, it is.
1:06:47
Speaker 1: You want me to read it?
1:06:51
Speaker 2: Because I don't think anybody in the world thinks that.
1:06:54
Speaker 1: You want me to read it, babe? Yes. So, listen, listen, listen.
1:06:57
Speaker 1: Let me just read to you a few things. Oh,
1:06:59
Speaker 1: this is news to me. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.
1:07:03
Speaker 1: Because the thing is this.
1:07:04
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:07:09
Speaker 1: Okay. We all know what happened with the voice note.
1:07:14
Speaker 2: Yes, which was completely false.
1:07:17
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:07:18
Speaker 2: Right?
1:07:18
Speaker 1: So they were saying to mix up because the wording
1:07:21
Speaker 1: was slightly vague. Lisa originally forwarded the note to Chanel. Yes,
1:07:25
Speaker 1: as my best friend. To have clarified who Sarah was
1:07:28
Speaker 1: talking about. Yes. Then it was revealed that when Chanel
1:07:31
Speaker 1: secretly played the note for Caroline Stanbury, the ladies initially
1:07:36
Speaker 1: believed Sarah was trash talking her longtime friend Caroline Brooks.
1:07:40
Speaker 1: This is where they're saying Chanel did mess up.
1:07:43
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:07:44
Speaker 1: But people, the thing is this, it's all about, they're
1:07:50
Speaker 1: trying to shift blame because, you know, they're saying that
1:07:54
Speaker 1: you knew the topic was going to come up at
1:07:56
Speaker 1: the dinner. I didn't. And they're saying, Lisa, you were
1:08:00
Speaker 1: acting like a victim for the cameras.
1:08:02
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't. The show is long gone. I
1:08:06
Speaker 2: can tell you, Carlos. I wasn't. I was literally blindsided.
1:08:11
Speaker 3: And to be honest, I feel like we talk every
1:08:13
Speaker 3: day if she would have just been like, girl, FYI,
1:08:17
Speaker 3: I did this because I had no storyline besides the
1:08:20
Speaker 3: launch of my thing and I needed something. I would have,
1:08:24
Speaker 3: I actually would have rocked with it. And I would
1:08:27
Speaker 3: have actually blown this shit up. I would have made
1:08:30
Speaker 3: it even more interesting. But don't take me off guard
1:08:33
Speaker 3: because then I'm looking at you sideways like, Wait, I
1:08:36
Speaker 3: tell you everything, but you don't tell me everything. When
1:08:39
Speaker 3: I leave a scene, she's the first person I'm on
1:08:41
Speaker 3: the phone with, you know, whether.
1:08:42
Speaker 2: It's good or bad.
1:08:44
Speaker 3: So I felt like I was blindsided because I had
1:08:48
Speaker 3: no idea this voice note was played for anybody else
1:08:54
Speaker 3: besides her.
1:08:55
Speaker 1: So that's the fact.
1:08:57
Speaker 3: Two years ago, and and that's it you know so
1:09:00
Speaker 3: I wasn't the thing is with me I feel like
1:09:03
Speaker 3: if it wasn't somebody that I cared about it wouldn't
1:09:06
Speaker 3: have mattered but because she was genuinely someone that I
1:09:09
Speaker 3: cared about I think that's why it was a little bit.
1:09:13
Speaker 2: Uneasy yeah to say the least.
1:09:15
Speaker 1: Yeah do you miss her no You don't.
1:09:18
Speaker 2: I don't. And maybe it's a defense mechanism.
1:09:21
Speaker 3: I don't know what the psychologists would sum this up as.
1:09:26
Speaker 3: But the minute I feel like someone betrays my trust,
1:09:32
Speaker 3: because to me, trust is everything.
1:09:33
Speaker 1: It is.
1:09:34
Speaker 3: And if I can't trust you, I can't be in
1:09:37
Speaker 3: a relationship with you, whether it's platonic, whether it's romantic,
1:09:41
Speaker 3: whether it's anything. Like trust to me is the foundation
1:09:44
Speaker 3: of any relationship. If you break my trust, that's it.
1:09:49
Speaker 2: I don't hate her. I don't nothing her. Like, I
1:09:52
Speaker 2: actually wish her the best. I have nothing bad to
1:09:55
Speaker 2: say about her. What she did was fucked up.
1:09:59
Speaker 3: But don't go around, you know, making me the problem
1:10:02
Speaker 3: because then you're looking delusional. Like, now you're looking like, like,
1:10:06
Speaker 3: what are you doing? You know, just take ownership and
1:10:08
Speaker 3: move on. And I feel like if she would have
1:10:11
Speaker 3: just owned it rather than deflecting and creating different stories.
1:10:15
Speaker 3: And then I think too, when you tell one lie,
1:10:17
Speaker 3: then you have to tell so many lies to cover
1:10:19
Speaker 3: that lie. It just makes the wound even deeper. So
1:10:23
Speaker 3: I wish her the best. I have nothing bad to
1:10:25
Speaker 3: say about her. When we were friends, it was amazing.
1:10:28
Speaker 3: We had the best time. But this whole narrative, like
1:10:31
Speaker 3: I was, I am bossy.
1:10:33
Speaker 2: I am bossy. This is facts. I can't help. I
1:10:36
Speaker 2: am a very bossy person.
1:10:37
Speaker 3: But she is like, 12, 15 years older than me.
1:10:41
Speaker 3: So to think that I'm manipulating her, I looked at
1:10:44
Speaker 3: her as a big sister.
1:10:46
Speaker 2: Do I come off as bossy sometimes?
1:10:48
Speaker 3: Maybe more than normal, but I've been told I was
1:10:52
Speaker 3: bossy since I was three. You know, it's just my
1:10:55
Speaker 3: nature and I don't do it out of bossiness.
1:10:58
Speaker 2: I do it out of love. if that makes sense.
1:11:01
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
1:11:01
Speaker 2: I never wanted her to look bad.
1:11:03
Speaker 3: I never wanted, you know, I never wanted, like the
1:11:05
Speaker 3: scene that they keep playing back, Bravo keeps playing back
1:11:08
Speaker 3: with me at the dinner table, you know, saying, no,
1:11:11
Speaker 3: she has to apologize. When I was with her books,
1:11:14
Speaker 3: talking about Stanbury having, they keep playing that back, but
1:11:18
Speaker 3: it's because I was so protective of Ayan that I
1:11:22
Speaker 3: felt like, no, Ayan doesn't owe this one an apology.
1:11:25
Speaker 3: That one owes her an apology, but they keep running
1:11:27
Speaker 3: with that one narrative. You know, I am a bossy bitch.
1:11:30
Speaker 3: I can't help it. But I mean well. And I
1:11:33
Speaker 3: come from a really, really good place. If I love you,
1:11:36
Speaker 3: I love you 150%. Which is why if I have
1:11:41
Speaker 3: to walk away, I walk away guilt-free. Because I know
1:11:44
Speaker 3: I've given that situation or that relationship my all.
1:11:48
Speaker 2: You know, and I did. I gave that friendship everything.
1:11:50
Speaker 2: I loved her. And so, yeah, I.
1:11:54
Speaker 2: I nothing her now, but it's not good or bad.
1:11:56
Speaker 2: I just nothing.
1:11:57
Speaker 3: You know, I don't get angry when I hear her
1:11:59
Speaker 3: name or see her pop up on my feed.
1:12:03
Speaker 2: I feel nothing.
1:12:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen, that's honest. Yeah. And I think that's all
1:12:09
Speaker 1: you can be. Yeah. So what's next for you? You know,
1:12:12
Speaker 1: you are a designer. Yes. So what's going on with
1:12:15
Speaker 1: all of those things in the fashion world?
1:12:17
Speaker 2: So Mina Rowe just got sold. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:12:23
Speaker 2: My baby, my girl that I didn't have.
1:12:26
Speaker 3: So Mina Rose just got sold. So we're going through
1:12:29
Speaker 3: the transition process now. I'm very, very proud of that,
1:12:33
Speaker 3: especially because with what's happening in the region and things
1:12:37
Speaker 3: taking a downfall, it was the perfect time to exit.
1:12:41
Speaker 3: So I'm very, very happy. And I launched my On
1:12:45
Speaker 3: Stitch series, which is on social media for now, but
1:12:49
Speaker 3: we're going to Toy with what comes next, which is
1:12:52
Speaker 3: fashion and business, right? So we're just talking about all
1:12:55
Speaker 3: the things I've learned over the last, what, 15 to
1:12:58
Speaker 3: 18 years in the fashion industry and just giving out nuggets, really.
1:13:01
Speaker 3: We'll see where that takes me. And that's really it.
1:13:05
Speaker 3: Being a mom, a boy mom, my kids are into it.
1:13:07
Speaker 1: Do you want to go?
1:13:09
Speaker 2: I don't anymore.
1:13:10
Speaker 1: You're good.
1:13:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually good. But if you do see me pregnant,
1:13:13
Speaker 2: it's by accident.
1:13:14
Speaker 1: It's not an accident. It's a blessing. It's by blessing.
1:13:19
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be planned. It wouldn't be planned. Yeah, but
1:13:22
Speaker 2: I'm good.
1:13:23
Speaker 3: I'm in the gym working out. Body's coming back.
1:13:26
Speaker 2: You look fine. Thank you. I'm just out here milfing it,
1:13:31
Speaker 2: you know?
1:13:32
Speaker 1: Yes. Well, look, I will say this. We've been fans
1:13:36
Speaker 1: of yours since you were 18 years old.
1:13:38
Speaker 2: Thank you.
1:13:38
Speaker 1: And you have blossomed.
1:13:40
Speaker 2: Thank you.
1:13:40
Speaker 1: Into a beautiful, young milf. Okay? You really have. And listen.
1:13:46
Speaker 1: Certified milf. You are certified milf.
1:13:49
Speaker 2: My sons would be so embarrassed by that.
1:13:53
Speaker 1: And I'll leave this in closing for you because... Listen,
1:13:57
Speaker 1: everything does happen for a reason.
1:13:58
Speaker 2: It does.
1:13:59
Speaker 1: And what's happening in Dubai, you know, is happening right now.
1:14:05
Speaker 1: But there's a reason why you're here. Yeah. And only
1:14:08
Speaker 1: God knows how long you're meant to be here.
1:14:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so.
1:14:11
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I feel like God placed you
1:14:17
Speaker 1: back home. Mm-hmm. for something big I feel it in.
1:14:22
Speaker 2: My spirit okay from your lips to God's.
1:14:24
Speaker 1: Ears yes I don't think you just hear only because
1:14:27
Speaker 1: of like what's happening there but I think there's I
1:14:29
Speaker 1: think something's on the horizon for you yeah um Thank you.
1:14:34
Speaker 1: Thank you.
1:14:34
Speaker 2: I hope so.
1:14:35
Speaker 1: I feel it. I feel it.
1:14:37
Speaker 3: I do.
1:14:38
Speaker 1: And the gag is, you have been highly requested by
1:14:43
Speaker 1: the raindrops for me to interview you.
1:14:46
Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you, raindrops.
1:14:48
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay. I can see that. I
1:14:51
Speaker 1: can see that. I can see that. I'm like, yeah.
1:14:54
Speaker 2: I love that.
1:14:55
Speaker 1: That's like a new, like, new thing. Raindrops. No, you...
1:14:58
Speaker 1: And they're going to be very, very... Very, very satisfied
1:15:02
Speaker 1: with this.
1:15:02
Speaker 2: I think this was so fun. I feel like they've
1:15:04
Speaker 2: never maybe gotten this side of me before.
1:15:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
1:15:07
Speaker 3: You know, a little champagne.
1:15:09
Speaker 1: And a little bit of Carlos. Yeah, champagne and Carlos.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: I mean, it gets the girls going.
1:15:15
Speaker 2: It gets the girls going.
1:15:17
Speaker 1: Oh, God. Last question for you. Yes. Okay. I'm not
1:15:22
Speaker 1: going to ask you your Mount Rushmore housewives. I feel
1:15:25
Speaker 1: like that's overplayed. I'm not going to do that. Okay.
1:15:28
Speaker 1: Because you are a bad bitch. Oh. Fashionista. Yes. Lisa Milan.
1:15:34
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:15:35
Speaker 1: Give me the top five baddest fashionistas, body, everything, the
1:15:44
Speaker 1: full package of housewives. Who are your top five housewife baddies?
1:15:50
Speaker 2: Oh, housewife baddies. Oh, this is a really good one.
1:15:53
Speaker 1: Okay. So.
1:15:55
Speaker 2: I will not include myself in this top five.
1:15:58
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, no, no. You have the crown, sister.
1:16:00
Speaker 2: Thank you.
1:16:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I will not include myself. I would say Portia.
1:16:05
Speaker 2: Portia.
1:16:05
Speaker 1: Portia's a baddie.
1:16:09
Speaker 3: Who else do I think is, like, really hot? Do
1:16:15
Speaker 3: I stop at Porsche?
1:16:16
Speaker 1: That's so bad.
1:16:21
Speaker 2: Listen, they got a whole bunch of- It's your list.
1:16:25
Speaker 1: It's your list. Yeah, they have a.
1:16:26
Speaker 3: Whole bunch of like really gorgeous, beautiful, successful women, all
1:16:30
Speaker 3: the things. But I feel like as far as baddies.
1:16:34
Speaker 1: I want baddies only.
1:16:37
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can put baddies and housewives
1:16:39
Speaker 3: in the same list because I don't know.
1:16:42
Speaker 1: Okay. Porsche. Porsche is a baddie. So, in terms of housewives,
1:16:45
Speaker 1: only Porsche. Are there any other reality girlies that's not
1:16:50
Speaker 1: housewives that you would add on the list of Porsche? Yeah.
1:16:53
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Kim Kardashian is a baddie.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.
1:16:56
Speaker 2: I think... Damn. That's it.
1:17:01
Speaker 3: That's it.
1:17:01
Speaker 2: This is a bad list.
1:17:03
Speaker 1: I tried.
1:17:07
Speaker 3: So Batty, Housewife, Portia. Batty, reality star, Kim K. Batty, WNBA,
1:17:16
Speaker 3: Angel Reese. Batty, rap girl, it would have been Nicki Buck.
1:17:24
Speaker 2: It's not anymore. So I would have to give it
1:17:26
Speaker 2: to Megan Thee Stallion.
1:17:28
Speaker 1: Don't do my sis, Nicki.
1:17:29
Speaker 2: I love Nicki. No one.
1:17:31
Speaker 1: I love Megan too, but Nicki's my queen.
1:17:33
Speaker 3: Can I tell you, even my kids are like, mommy,
1:17:38
Speaker 3: you love Nicki Minaj, you know, but you know, Nicki's
1:17:41
Speaker 3: on time out.
1:17:43
Speaker 2: So I would give it to Megan. Love Megan.
1:17:46
Speaker 3: Actually, I partied with her in Chicago for her Halloween thing.
1:17:50
Speaker 2: And she was like, hey, twin. Because people used to
1:17:52
Speaker 2: say we look alike on social media.
1:17:54
Speaker 1: I can see that.
1:17:55
Speaker 2: On social media. But she is like.
1:17:57
Speaker 1: Oh, she's a stallion. So tall. She's a stallion.
1:17:59
Speaker 2: And I was literally at her knees.
1:18:02
Speaker 1: She's gorgeous.
1:18:03
Speaker 2: It didn't match up. But gorgeous. So yeah, baddie hip
1:18:07
Speaker 2: hop girl would be Megan.
1:18:08
Speaker 1: Okay. One more left. It could be singer, actress. Influencer.
1:18:13
Speaker 1: Corporate baddie. Anything.
1:18:16
Speaker 2: I don't know. Beyonce. Beyonce. Beyonce, she's a queen. The end. Yeah.
1:18:24
Speaker 2: That's a safe, that was my safe answer.
1:18:26
Speaker 1: I get you. All right. That was my safe answer,
1:18:30
Speaker 1: but I feel so bad for the housewives because I
1:18:33
Speaker 1: genuinely cannot think of a lot of baddies. No, Portia's
1:18:36
Speaker 1: a baddie.
1:18:37
Speaker 2: Portia's a baddie. You know, she like, she has all
1:18:40
Speaker 2: the things.
1:18:41
Speaker 1: Have y'all met? I have.
1:18:42
Speaker 2: I've met her many times.
1:18:44
Speaker 1: I was going to say, y'all get along.
1:18:46
Speaker 2: We do. I like her. I like her a lot.
1:18:48
Speaker 1: I was going to say, if y'all, didn't, I would
1:18:51
Speaker 1: be like, no.
1:18:51
Speaker 2: I met her when she came to Dubai. Gorgeous girl.
1:18:56
Speaker 1: Yeah. All right.
1:18:58
Speaker 2: I like her.
1:18:59
Speaker 1: Raindrops, Lisa Malaha. Give it up.
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