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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another emergency episode of Bucco Territory presented
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Speaker 2: by the Foul Territory Network. He is Platinum Key aka
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Speaker 2: Mark I and Noah Hayles, and we bring you some
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Speaker 2: reactions to more Pirates related breaking news. Mark, for the
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Speaker 2: second time in the same calendar week, your Pittsburgh Pirates
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Speaker 2: have signed or have acquired an All Star and this
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Speaker 2: one comes, believe it or not, via free agency. They
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Speaker 2: sign All Star first baseman Slash outfielder Slash dh Ryan O'Hearn.
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Speaker 2: The deal as two years, twenty nine million dollars plus
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Speaker 2: some incentives.
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Speaker 1: It is their.
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Speaker 2: First multi year free agent deal since evon Nova. They
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Speaker 2: can finally put what's that stat to bed and that
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Speaker 2: that is something that this franchise is desperate needed to
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Speaker 2: take care of.
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Speaker 1: They did it.
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Speaker 2: Mark, just the last time we recorded, I went out
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Speaker 2: of my way to say, you know, Ben Cherrington has
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Speaker 2: spent his capital right, he's he's traded away pitchers that
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Speaker 2: he's acquired that he's you know, hired people to develop.
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Speaker 2: It was time for them to spend a little bit
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Speaker 2: of money and they did that. This was, Yes, this
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Speaker 2: is one of the best free agents out there this offseason. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and act like he is
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Speaker 2: a franchise altering talent. This is an above average baseball player,
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Speaker 2: a guy who would make any lineup better, and they
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Speaker 2: can find a spot for him. Yeah, he's an All
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Speaker 2: star baseball player. There's still a lot more work to
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Speaker 2: be done. I don't think they're a playoff team just yet,
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Speaker 2: but I do think they're a better baseball team right now. Again,
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Speaker 2: I'll ask you the same question I asked you last Friday?
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Speaker 2: How excited are you about this news?
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Speaker 3: Even more exciting? This is over the moon, Like I'm ecstatic.
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Speaker 3: We might not be there yet, but we are right
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Speaker 3: on the door step of being a competitor baseball team.
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Speaker 3: These the Pirates just added twenty twenty five all Stars.
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Speaker 3: They added two guys that if they were on the
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Speaker 3: Pirates last year, would have been the two best hitters
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Speaker 3: in the lineup. Yep, they added two left handed bats
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Speaker 3: that both bring power, that both have ops's around eight hundred.
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Speaker 3: This is a fantastic move. This is everything we were
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Speaker 3: begging for the monthly and up to these this week.
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Speaker 3: This is exactly what we've been saying. Hey, if the
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Speaker 3: Pirates want to compete. They need to trade for Brandon
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Speaker 3: Lowe and go sign Ryan O'Hearn.
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Speaker 1: What they do.
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Speaker 3: They traded for Brandon Lowe and they signed Ryan O'Hearn,
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Speaker 3: and so it's it's refreshing to put it, I'll put
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Speaker 3: it that way. Still a lot more to be done,
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Speaker 3: but every seple of the way so far, they've been
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Speaker 3: making the right moves and it's just a really really
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Speaker 3: exciting time to be a Pirates fan.
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Speaker 2: Having covered this team obviously for a few years in
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Speaker 2: the off seasons, I would write these these wishless right that, like,
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Speaker 2: you could say, Okay, here are fifty players the Pirates
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Speaker 2: should try to acquire. And it was pretty dejecting after
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Speaker 2: spending like a whole week writing something like that, to
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Speaker 2: see not one of those fifty players. But these are
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Speaker 2: guys that would have been on those lists if I
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Speaker 2: was still on the Pirates beat, right Like, these are
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Speaker 2: guys that you look at and you say, this is
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Speaker 2: a fit that makes sense. They're in their price range,
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Speaker 2: either through trade acquisition, price tag or just free agency,
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Speaker 2: and they went out and got them. And if I
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Speaker 2: would have told any Pirate fan, you know, a couple
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Speaker 2: of minutes after Travis Williams stumbled over his words.
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Speaker 1: Full stop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if I would have said, you know, a
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Speaker 2: couple of minutes after that, like it, well, guess what,
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Speaker 2: Like that was bad? And I know you're upset that
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Speaker 2: Sherrington's back and Williams is back, and they won't commit
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Speaker 2: to even saying they're going to spend more money.
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Speaker 1: They're going to acquire two all stars.
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Speaker 2: They're going to acquire a top one hundred prospect who's
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Speaker 2: major league ready.
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Speaker 1: They're going to acquire, uh, like.
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Speaker 2: A fourth outfielder platoon guy who hit two ninety six
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Speaker 2: as a rookie and is a plus defender at all
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Speaker 2: three outfield spots and steals twenty plus bases, and then
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Speaker 2: a young left hander who is a project but throws
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Speaker 2: one hundred miles per hour and has a solid slider.
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Speaker 1: And they're gonna do all of this before Christmas. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would no one wanted to believe that.
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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I'm optimistic, And I would have still called
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Speaker 3: you probably crazy.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And so you look at the big picture now here, Mark,
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Speaker 2: I mean, they still have prospects to trade. They have
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Speaker 2: not traded away any of their farm unless you would
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Speaker 2: to include Mike Burrows or you know, the few low
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Speaker 2: level prospects.
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Speaker 1: They threw in in the Oviedo deal.
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Speaker 2: They still have if depending on you know what projected
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Speaker 2: payroll right reports have been out there, probably still have
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Speaker 2: a little bit of money to spend. Don't know if
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Speaker 2: it's O Kamodo money anymore. Maybe it is, maybe it's not.
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Speaker 2: And obviously that payroll can be adjusted. If you move
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Speaker 2: a guy who's in arbitration away, then you have more
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Speaker 2: money to spend. So we'll figure out what that budget
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Speaker 2: will end up looking like.
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Speaker 1: But for all.
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Speaker 2: Intentsive purposes, this is the best offseason they've had on
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Speaker 2: paper in the many years that Ben Harrington's been here,
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Speaker 2: and there's still room to improve. There's even small signings.
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Speaker 2: You look at some of the other moves they made
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Speaker 2: last year. If they were to add the equivalent of
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Speaker 2: like a Caleb Ferguson who signed like a one year,
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Speaker 2: three million dollar deal or something like, moves like that
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Speaker 2: for the bullpen make a ton of sense. They still
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Speaker 2: have room for that. And if you want to go
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Speaker 2: trade for a year of Alec Baum or a couple
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Speaker 2: of years of Adley Rushman, or you know, sign a
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Speaker 2: free agent, if you want to extend your payroll a
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Speaker 2: little bit and sign an Okamono, like there's still room
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Speaker 2: to get better. And yeah, they're they're they're doing everything
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Speaker 2: fans would have.
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Speaker 1: Hoped to see them do so far, I think.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it. I was just got home from
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Speaker 3: a home I just got to Wisconsin from a drive,
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Speaker 3: So I really haven't gotten to see like the fan
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Speaker 3: reaction on Twitter yet, but I'm so excited to take
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Speaker 3: a look because I've never seen a Pittsburgh Pirates offseason
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Speaker 3: where the fans are celebrating the moves the teams are making,
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Speaker 3: where the team's making moves that are making waves. Like
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Speaker 3: I saw someone left a comment that's like, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to go spend some money on Bob Dunion's baseball team
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Speaker 3: after this offseason. Now that wasn't playing on doing before.
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Speaker 3: This is exactly what this fan base needed. Who knows
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Speaker 3: if it's actually going to come to fruition, if anything's
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Speaker 3: going to work out next season here coming out, but
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Speaker 3: at least they're putting together an offseason that gives the
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Speaker 3: team a chance, which I haven't seen the past two
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Speaker 3: off seasons, and so it's really really refreshing to see
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Speaker 3: the correct moves being made, confidently being made, and done
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Speaker 3: so in a way that doesn't completely strip this team
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Speaker 3: of the future either. Outside of losing Paul's Skins. I
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Speaker 3: mean pretty much everyone on this team still intact. You
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Speaker 3: still have minch Keller locked up, you still have a
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Speaker 3: lot of your young pitching prospects, you still have Bubba Chandler,
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Speaker 3: you still have seth Ornandez, you still have Connor Griffin.
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Speaker 3: So there's there's a lot of reasons to believe in
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Speaker 3: this team.
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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I want to say one thing
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Speaker 2: as well, real quick, these moves I don't know if
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Speaker 2: they happen without Paul Skins. And I'm not even saying
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Speaker 2: that the verbal pressure that Paul kind of put on
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Speaker 2: them when he spoke with me in Denver last year,
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Speaker 2: and and and he did some other interviews as well
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Speaker 2: where he kind of suggested, like, I really hope we
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Speaker 2: had some bats.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: I just think the national attention that comes from having
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Speaker 2: Paul Skins on your team prevented the Pirates from being
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Speaker 2: able to be incompetent, and the background right, they couldn't
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Speaker 2: fail quietly anymore, and the noise got so loud that
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Speaker 2: it became a national story to sell the team shirts
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Speaker 2: and chants, and and the that the disaster that was
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Speaker 2: Pirate Fest, and the Bucco bricks and surf side, and
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Speaker 2: just the horrible vibes that surrounded this team at the
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Speaker 2: end of the season, and you know, the reports about
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Speaker 2: how players didn't necessarily believe that they were trying to win,
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Speaker 2: Like all this stuff, right, would have probably just been
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Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh story if they didn't have the best baseball
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Speaker 2: player or one of the best baseball players in the world,
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Speaker 2: the best pitcher in the world maybe exactly on their
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Speaker 2: team and the rest of the baseball world saying get
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Speaker 2: this guy out of there. They're not trying. I think
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Speaker 2: it did put additional pressure on them. Now, I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying that people in their front office weren't trying. I
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Speaker 2: think Ben Sherrington's always been trying, but it does seem
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Speaker 2: like there have been more green lights than in past years.
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Speaker 2: I and I one hundred percent believe that the pressure
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Speaker 2: not not the losing, because they've lost so many times, right,
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Speaker 2: I think it's the pressure that came from that losing
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Speaker 2: that came from there is that absolute joke of a
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five season that finally forced the man at
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Speaker 2: the top to say, all right, we've got to.
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Speaker 3: Do something different.
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Speaker 2: And it might just be to make himself look good
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Speaker 2: heading into a CBA negotiation.
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Speaker 1: It might just be so people stop chasing them through
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Speaker 1: the conference.
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Speaker 2: Regardless of the reasoning, they're doing the things that their
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Speaker 2: fans have been begging them to do for a long time. Now,
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Speaker 2: it's still not enough. They still need to do more.
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Speaker 2: The way I see it right now, this is about
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Speaker 2: a five hundred ball club with the pitching. But your
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Speaker 2: mission this offseason was to turn the worst offense in
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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball into an average offense. If you can
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Speaker 2: do that, your pitching is good enough where you're probably
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Speaker 2: gonna be able to sneak into a wildcard berth.
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Speaker 3: Especially with this division.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I don't know if they're an average offense yet,
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Speaker 2: but when you look, Oahearn is going to be in
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Speaker 2: a above average bat more likely than not.
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Speaker 1: Lao is going to be an above average bat.
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Speaker 2: More likely than not. Connor Griffin you feel pretty good
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Speaker 2: about his offensive capabilities. And then the platoon of Mangam
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Speaker 2: and Garcia, you feel pretty good about those two as
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Speaker 2: a platoon. Not to mention what they're capable of achieving individually,
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Speaker 2: you feel good about that compared to anything else you've
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Speaker 2: had in left field for recent years. And then when
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Speaker 2: you add all of those newcomers right, that's more lineup
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Speaker 2: protection for Brian Reynolds and O'Neil Cruz who have essentially
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Speaker 2: had to carry this team on their back offensively.
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Speaker 1: And if you look at their best months.
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Speaker 2: Offensively, it's typically when a Rowdy to Lez is rad
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Speaker 2: hot or Henry Davis has a good stretch, or a
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Speaker 2: Jared Triolo has a good stretcher, Spencer Horowitz turns it
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Speaker 2: on when people around them are hitting the baseball. Those
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Speaker 2: guys produce a lot better. And now they've added people
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Speaker 2: to length them that lineup to get some lineup protection,
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Speaker 2: and I think make their competent hitters that they already
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Speaker 2: had better. So yeah, and I will.
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Speaker 2: All right, Mark, So now as we wrap this up,
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Speaker 2: I'll ask you the same thing I asked you again
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Speaker 2: on Friday.
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Speaker 1: What's next?
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Speaker 2: They signed, they made the trade, they signed a multi
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Speaker 2: year free agent.
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Speaker 1: What's next? What's the next piece of the puzzle?
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Speaker 2: And what are you hoping like when you're looking at
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Speaker 2: your wish list right, what's the biggest item remaining on it?
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Speaker 3: I'm still getting greedy and saying one more free agent,
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Speaker 3: one more free agent. Bet to be more specific, either
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Speaker 3: a third baseman. I mean, I love Jered Triolo. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if that's going to make me feel confident
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Speaker 3: if that's the starting third basement for opening Day. So
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Speaker 3: I still think, you know, like Juhanio Suarez Okamoto, if
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Speaker 3: he's cheap, I still think there's room in the pirates budget,
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Speaker 3: if you just open up that wallet just a tiny
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Speaker 3: bit more, just like ten twenty more million, and I
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Speaker 3: don't think that's gonna impact the Pirates too negatively. I
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Speaker 3: think if you build a world or a team that
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Speaker 3: can make the playoffs, whatever dollars you spend this offseason,
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Speaker 3: you're gonna get right back. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 3: sports town that's going to fill up PNC Park and
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Speaker 3: when we saw that in twenty thirteen, so like, if
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Speaker 3: you build it, they will come, and you just got
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Speaker 3: to put those final bricks together to build that for
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Speaker 3: those people to come. And I think in Okamoa Okamoto
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Speaker 3: would do that. I think a Uhenio Suarez would do that.
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Speaker 3: I really like the third base edition, but you could
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Speaker 3: get away with another outfield edition too this and maybe
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Speaker 3: o'haran can play like a little bit of right field.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's where I would go. I still think
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Speaker 3: you got to add a third base and if not,
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Speaker 3: maybe catcher jt. Real Mudo is still out there, maybe
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Speaker 3: bring in like a veteran presence like him, a really
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Speaker 3: good clubhouse guy to just keep everyone on track. So
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Speaker 3: that would be where I would head. Is free agency still,
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Speaker 3: but I think trade is probably the more likely of
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Speaker 3: the two options. But I just I like how many
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Speaker 3: free agents are still out there to still go out
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Speaker 3: and pursue that route.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my hesitancy would be if they go
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Speaker 2: the free agent route, then they might be more inclined
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Speaker 2: to clear up some salary. And I don't know exactly
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Speaker 2: how you all right, Mark, So I asked you this
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Speaker 2: question last week.
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Speaker 1: I'll ask it again. What's next?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean I still think free agency again
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Speaker 3: is the way to go. Trades might be a little
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Speaker 3: bit easier still, but I think there's still so many
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Speaker 3: decent free agents there out there there available right now
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Speaker 3: that you have to still pursue them. I mean, you
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Speaker 3: still need a third baseman, so look at u Hainio
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Speaker 3: Suarez or look at Okamoto add more power to this lineup. Yes,
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Speaker 3: O'Hern and allow both help, but this team desperately needed thats.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't just a few bats. This team needed three
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Speaker 3: four impact bats to really just become an average lineup
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Speaker 3: in the MLB. So go out and add one more
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Speaker 3: free agent, probably a third baseman, maybe a corner outfielder
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Speaker 3: that can also DH like maybe a Marcelo Suna could
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Speaker 3: be another option too, more power again, but at the
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Speaker 3: same time, trades are probably going to be easier. I
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Speaker 3: don't know how willing the pirates are to be to
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Speaker 3: continue to open up the pocketbooks, but I think that's
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Speaker 3: the best path forward for now. That's what I would want.
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Speaker 3: Next would be a third basement. So give me o Komodo,
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Speaker 3: gimme Suarez one of the two.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the trade market. I think that's what
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Speaker 2: makes complete and total sense. You haven't traded away any
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Speaker 2: of your prospect capital. And I know I've said that
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Speaker 2: earlier in this show, but I'll reiterate it again because
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Speaker 2: you've been able to get so much from two guys
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Speaker 2: who might not have even been in your starting rotation
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Speaker 2: by the final week of the regular season in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty six.
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Speaker 1: So now you have prospect capital to move.
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Speaker 2: And I would look at third base, I would look
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Speaker 2: at catcher, and I'm trying to find a plus value
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Speaker 2: bat there that doesn't I mean, I personally don't care
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Speaker 2: what the price tag is financially, but if you can
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Speaker 2: find a plus value bat there that's within your budget,
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Speaker 2: I think it's a no brainer. So that's where I'm going.
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the trade market. I'm looking at a
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Speaker 2: guy like Adley Rushman. I'm looking at a guy like
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Speaker 2: Alec Baum who can help you win now and probably
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Speaker 2: won't have a huge cost to get here. Those are
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Speaker 2: the two guys I'm looking at.
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Speaker 3: I think that makes a lot of sense. He would, ye,
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Speaker 3: I think he would be really cheap. One year left
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Speaker 3: on this deal Philly, I think kind of seems like
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Speaker 3: they're ready to move on from him, and he might
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Speaker 3: not be the biggest trade that they acquisition that the
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Speaker 3: Pirates could make at third, but he's still better than
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Speaker 3: what they have right now. He would be an improvement
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Speaker 3: to Jared Triolo, and then that would also let Triolo
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Speaker 3: back up everywhere else in the indfield and yeah, the
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Speaker 3: utility player where that's really his strong suit, rather than
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Speaker 3: just sneaking him at third. So yeah, I think third
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Speaker 3: base makes a lot of sense. Maybe another former Philly,
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Speaker 3: you know, JT real Mudo still out there. He could
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Speaker 3: also bring up some a lot of a decent bat
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Speaker 3: to catch her, with some good athleticism and a lot
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Speaker 3: of great leadership in clubhouse present. So there's still plenty
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Speaker 3: of options out there to improve this team.
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Speaker 2: That's that's the big takeaway I have from this it's
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Speaker 2: we're still two days before Christmas. The Pirates are a
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Speaker 2: better baseball team. They have a I think their rotation
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Speaker 2: will be better than it was last year, simply because
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Speaker 2: you're able to retain Mitch Keller and have Bubba Chandler
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Speaker 2: for a full year and Braxton Ashcraft for a full.
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Speaker 1: J and you get Jared Jones back.
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Speaker 2: So your greatest strength is going to be stronger the bullpen.
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Speaker 2: I don't see being worse in your lineup. You've already
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Speaker 2: just added two all stars, two young talents that can
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Speaker 2: platoon together. You have the number one prospect in baseball
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Speaker 2: coming up at some point this season, and you still
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Speaker 2: have a lot of time to keep adding. Again, I
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Speaker 2: don't think they're a playoff team yet, but I don't
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Speaker 2: think they're crazily far away, especially when you consider some
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Speaker 2: of the teams that snuck in in recent years in
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Speaker 2: this NL wild card, I don't think they're that far
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Speaker 2: away from being a twenty twenty five Cincinnati Reds.
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Speaker 1: If not better.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's a reason for Pirates fans to
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Speaker 2: be excited.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean this whole just this one week,
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Speaker 3: uh is it's got to give you some encouragement. It's
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Speaker 3: this is unlike anything we've seen from the Pirates in
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Speaker 3: a really, really long time. And so I if this
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Speaker 3: isn't getting you excited as a Pirates fan, you might
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Speaker 3: need to check yourself a little bit because these are
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Speaker 3: concrete moves that we've been asking for and they're doing them.
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Speaker 3: I just how can you criticize that? Yet? We know
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Speaker 3: they're not going to go out there in gettish Warber
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Speaker 3: or like a Pedalanso or one of these big big names,
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Speaker 3: like they're not going to be in on Kyle Tucker.
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Speaker 3: But this is everything. But this is as close as
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Speaker 3: I feel like the Pirates can get. This is their
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Speaker 3: ceiling for what their offseason looked like to me. So
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Speaker 3: I'm very mary please as a fan right now, still
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Speaker 3: more work to do, but where they should be at
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Speaker 3: this point, I feel like they're ahead of the curve absolutely.
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