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Credlin | 10 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on Credline tonight, Anger mounts as
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Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews, the man who presided over the world's most
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Speaker 2: lockdown city, is handed a king's birthday honor four Can.
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Speaker 3: You believe it?
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Speaker 2: His health policies a significant case in the New South
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Speaker 2: Wales courts that you might not have heard about, but
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Speaker 2: one that paves the way for authorities to become more
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Speaker 2: bullish in pursuing anti semiticate. The question is, though, will
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Speaker 2: they plus Petti Costello quits as the chairman of Nine
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Speaker 2: Entertainment for a network that's been besieged with controversy. Is
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Speaker 2: Costello's departure a fresh start or just shuffling the deck
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Speaker 2: chairs on the Titanic? And positive news for the Coalition
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Speaker 2: in the latest News poll with its highest primary vote
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Speaker 2: in almost three years. Now, I take individual polls with
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Speaker 2: a grain of salt, but if I were Labor I'd
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Speaker 2: be a little bit concerned.
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Speaker 4: Australians are saying, no, we don't feel safer and we
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Speaker 4: don't feel as though we're better.
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Speaker 5: Off I don't think it's surprising that in an environment
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Speaker 5: when people are feeling feeling cost of living pressures, that
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Speaker 5: we're seeing poles title.
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Speaker 1: The reality is is that it's getting more and more
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Speaker 1: difficult every single day for them.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's nice to get a gong for simply doing
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Speaker 2: your job, and that is of course what happened to
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Speaker 2: former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and former WA Premier Mark
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Speaker 2: McGowan today in the King's Birthday honors. Both are now
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Speaker 2: companions of the Order of Australia, which is the country's
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Speaker 2: highest honor and essentially our version of a knighthood. And
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Speaker 2: on that basis, perhaps Daniel Andrews could be known as
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Speaker 2: Sir Charge given the massive spending and debt he wrought
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Speaker 2: upon Victoria and what it's done in terms of sky
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Speaker 2: higher taxes now. Of course Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi predictably
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Speaker 2: defended the appointments today.
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Speaker 6: Both Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan were very successful from
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Speaker 6: the people who matter to their respective states in Victoria
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Speaker 6: and Western Australia.
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Speaker 2: Whatever the hell that means. I thought I was listening
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Speaker 2: to Joe Biden there for a sec but it's a
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Speaker 2: slap in the face to everyone who suffered through lockdowns,
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Speaker 2: particularly those in Melbourne, the most lockdown city in the world.
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Speaker 2: It's a slap in the face to everyone in Western
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Speaker 2: Australia who was prevented from seeing their families and friends
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Speaker 2: for six hundred and ninety seven days.
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Speaker 3: While the border was closed.
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Speaker 2: Mister McGowan said at the time that we'll be turning
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Speaker 2: Western Australia into an island within an island, our own country.
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Speaker 2: That he did and at toaur families apart, while people
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Speaker 2: died on the other side of the country, unable to
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Speaker 2: say goodbye to their loved ones. The families of the
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Speaker 2: eight hundred people who died thanks to Victoria's horrific mismanagement
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Speaker 2: of hotel quarantine deserved to feel angry today. I thought
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Speaker 2: today of Joe's of de Petro, a man whose sad
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Speaker 2: story I broke when I was a reporter at The
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Speaker 2: Herald's son. During the pandemic, he made a mad dash
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Speaker 2: from Bangkok to Melbourne to say goodbye to his dying
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Speaker 2: mother in August twenty twenty one. He was forced to
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Speaker 2: sit in an Adelaide quarantine hotel for thirty two hours
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Speaker 2: before an exemption to flight to Victoria, for which he
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Speaker 2: had applied four days earlier, was finally granted. He had
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Speaker 2: to charter a private flight to get to Melbourne, and
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Speaker 2: his mother unfortunately died while he was in the air.
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Speaker 2: When he landed at Essendon Airport, he was made to
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Speaker 2: wear full body ppe before he was taken to another
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Speaker 2: quarantine hotel and then eventually to the hospital to see
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Speaker 2: his mother's body. He was made to wait forty minutes
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Speaker 2: in a van until nurses allowed him into the building,
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Speaker 2: and when he got in there he was told he'd
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Speaker 2: needs someone to escort him to his mum's room and
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Speaker 2: stay with him. He told me at the time that
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Speaker 2: they sat outside peeping through the window. I thought I
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Speaker 2: must have been on the most wanted list. I thought
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Speaker 2: of Joseph and his family today because it's that kind
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Speaker 2: of inhumanity and indignity that mister Andrews and mister McGowan
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Speaker 2: put people through, and for that they've been rewarded. They've
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Speaker 2: been given the country's highest civil honor for doing their
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Speaker 2: jobs and doing them it should be noted extremely badly.
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Speaker 2: But the real kicker is that both of them were
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Speaker 2: awarded their acs in part for eminent service to public health.
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Speaker 2: They did nothing for public health. They destroyed it. The
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Speaker 2: Victorian hospital system is stuffed, hospitals are in budget deficits.
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Speaker 2: And Andrews was such a public health genius that his
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Speaker 2: government stamped up one point five billion dollars to help
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Speaker 2: clear the massive backlog of elective surgeries created by his lockdowns.
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Speaker 2: Now that increased demand for specialists in Melbourne, so they
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Speaker 2: all took work there because the government was paying extra
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Speaker 2: to expedise all these procedures. So then regional hospitals went,
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Speaker 2: hang on, we don't have any anesthetists because they've all
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Speaker 2: gone down to Melbourne to chase good coin, which meant
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Speaker 2: they had to start offering ten thousand dollars a day
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Speaker 2: to lure them back from Melbourne so they could keep
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Speaker 2: doing surgeries. The ring of steel, the border closures, the
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Speaker 2: outdoor mask rules, the vaccine mandates, the nine pm perfew,
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Speaker 2: the five kilometer radius, the dead CBDs, the one hour
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Speaker 2: of exercise a day, all unscientific clap trap and they've
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Speaker 2: been rewarded for eminent service to public health. Mental health
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Speaker 2: is worse than it's ever been. Ambulance ramping hit near
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Speaker 2: record levels in Wa under McGowan's watch eminent service to
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Speaker 2: public health Now. It's not unusual for form premiers to
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Speaker 2: be given these honors, but it usually comes some years
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Speaker 2: after they've left office. Andrews and McGough and only departed
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Speaker 2: last year. They both decided they'd had enough, packed it
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Speaker 2: in and charged the taxpayer on the way up for
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Speaker 2: a by election. Former South Australian Premier Stephen Marshall doesn't
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Speaker 2: have an ac he was a pandemic premier, nor.
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Speaker 3: Does Gladys bear Agiiclian.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're smoking over at the Council
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Speaker 2: for the Order of Australia, but it can't be good.
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Speaker 3: For public health now.
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Speaker 2: Among the multitude of sins Australians lack to committees of
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Speaker 2: course gambling and it's widely expected that the federal government
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Speaker 2: will apply some sort of restriction to gambling advertising in sport.
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Speaker 2: A Parliamentary Standing committee last year recommended a total ban
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Speaker 2: on the advertising of online gambling during sport.
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Speaker 3: Within three years.
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Speaker 2: Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has also proposed a ban on
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Speaker 2: gambling ads an hour each side of sporting events, and
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has voiced his annoyance at Way during
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Speaker 2: promotion during sport, so there is bipartisan support for some
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Speaker 2: kind of ban well. The Daily Telegraph yesterday reported that
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Speaker 2: NRL clubs are already making changes in anticipation of new laws,
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Speaker 2: including Cranella, which has reluctantly dropped the naming rights deal
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Speaker 2: for Shark Park with points bet at the end of
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Speaker 2: this season. Now it'll obviously cost clubs millions of dollars
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Speaker 2: in sponsorship. Fourteen NRL clubs have deals with betting companies
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Speaker 2: and the NRL itself is expected to lose in the
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Speaker 2: vicinity of fifty million dollars and we don't have the
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Speaker 2: numbers for the AFL, but it's pretty clear they'll be
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Speaker 2: in the same boat, like it or not. Australians are
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Speaker 2: gamblers and for most people it's a harmless pastime, punt
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Speaker 2: on the ggs on the weekend, or a little bit
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Speaker 2: of money on your footy team.
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Speaker 3: Now most of you like me.
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Speaker 2: If you have a punt, you gamble as much as
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Speaker 2: you can afford to lose, and if you lose it all,
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Speaker 2: well that's just how the day goes. I mean, some
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Speaker 2: people have dropped one hundred dollars on some useless trinket
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Speaker 2: I'd rather do the form and try my chances at
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Speaker 2: growing my kitty. The revenue clubs and leagues collect from gambling,
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Speaker 2: sponsorship and deals is funnily enough money that can be
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Speaker 2: spent on the grassroots game, and that's often where it goes.
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Speaker 3: But for all the talk.
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Speaker 2: About how evil online sports betting is, let's be real
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Speaker 2: about what the numbers actually look like. The Australian Gambling
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Speaker 2: Research Center found in twenty twenty two that seventy three
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Speaker 2: percent of adults gambled. Lot of reason scratchees far and
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Speaker 2: away the most popular form of gambling, sixty four percent
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Speaker 2: of Australian spend money on them. Then comes horse racing
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Speaker 2: at thirty eight percent of adults, sports at thirty four percent,
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Speaker 2: and the pokey's at thirty three percent.
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Speaker 3: But then look at the money.
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Speaker 2: The latest data is from the Australian Gambling Statistics twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, which was released last year. Gambling expenditure
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Speaker 2: across the country was twenty four billion dollars. Lotteries the
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Speaker 2: most popular form of gambling, made up two point eight
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Speaker 2: three eight billion. Wagering on racing and spa combined. The
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Speaker 2: great evil that apparently needs to be stopped was five
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Speaker 2: point eight one five billion, but expenditure on the poky's
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Speaker 2: was twelve point one eight two billion, just over half
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Speaker 2: the entire gambling spend, so the form of gambling that
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Speaker 2: comes in fourth on the popularity list caused people to
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Speaker 2: spend more than lotteries, scratches, racing, sport, casinos and keino
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Speaker 2: combined in New South Wales for the decade to twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: poker machines resulted in sixty five percent of all gambling losses,
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Speaker 2: well above any other form of gambling. Poker machine losses
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Speaker 2: per person in New South Wales, and keep in mind
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Speaker 2: most of us don't put money through the pokys was
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Speaker 2: one thousand and forty two dollars in twenty nineteen twenty,
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Speaker 2: compared to two hundred and twenty four dollars for casinos
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Speaker 2: and just one hundred and eighty six dollars for racing
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Speaker 2: and sports betting.
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Speaker 3: It's not sports betting.
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Speaker 2: That is the great social evil, it's the post They're
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Speaker 2: less popular than sports betting and cause people to lose
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Speaker 2: far more money. And many football clubs both AFL and
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Speaker 2: NRL make money from the pokeys in their clubs, but
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Speaker 2: I don't see any big national campaign to take them away.
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Speaker 2: Let's head to canber Now for tonight's political headlines with
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Speaker 2: Sky News's political reporter at.
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Speaker 3: Camridd Good evening.
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Speaker 7: The Coalition will walk away from Australia's short term emissions
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Speaker 7: target if it wins the next election, labeling the twenty
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Speaker 7: thirty goal unachievable.
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Speaker 8: Even their best case scenario says that the government still
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Speaker 8: does not reach forty three percent.
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Speaker 6: Pleader Dutton is walking away from climate action.
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Speaker 7: Current projections have Australia on track to cut emissions by
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Speaker 7: forty two percent, one point shy of a target set
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Speaker 7: as part of the Paris Climate Agreement.
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Speaker 6: Him walking away from the Paris Accord would be catastrophic
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Speaker 6: for Australia's relations.
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Speaker 7: Shadow Energy Minister Ted O'Brien and won't commit to setting
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Speaker 7: a new goal before the next election, instead wanting more
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Speaker 7: modeling on the cost of meeting interim targets.
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Speaker 8: We will be as ambitious as we can, but will
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Speaker 8: be contained by what's achievable.
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Speaker 7: Labor has taken a slide in the latest News poll.
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Speaker 7: The major party is now neck and neck on two
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Speaker 7: party terms. It's only the second time they've been leveled
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Speaker 7: at fifty to fifty since the last election.
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's surprising that in an environment when
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Speaker 5: people are feeling impost living pressures, that we're seeing Poles.
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Speaker 7: Titan the coalition's primary vote, edging two points higher two
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Speaker 7: thirty nine, Labours down one two thirty three. Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 7: remains the preferred prime minister, but Peter Dutton is closing
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Speaker 7: the gap, recording his best result yet but remains eight
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Speaker 7: points adrift. Liberal Senator Dave Sharma, a former ambassador to Israel,
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Speaker 7: believes the fracturing of Benjamin Netanyahu's war cabinet will make
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Speaker 7: diplomacy more difficult once the Middle East conflict comes to
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Speaker 7: an and former military chief Benny Gantz resigned from his position,
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Speaker 7: demanding Israel's Prime minister call an election over his handling
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Speaker 7: of the conflict.
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Speaker 9: Pols Nesa, his government I think further towards the right,
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Speaker 9: and that's going to make things difficult, not only for
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Speaker 9: the post war planning for Gaza, but in terms of
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Speaker 9: some of the international diplomatic opportunities that are out there,
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Speaker 9: including normalization with Saudi Arabia.
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Speaker 2: Well, today's news poll, as you just heard, shows the
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Speaker 2: Coalition with its highest primary vote in nearly three years.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition has gone up to two points sorry to
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Speaker 2: thirty nine percent, while Labor has slipped back one point
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Speaker 2: to thirty three percent, and in the two party preferred vote,
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Speaker 2: Labor and the Coalition are now tied at fifty percent.
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Speaker 3: To discuss this.
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Speaker 2: And more, let's bring in the national editor of The Australian,
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Speaker 2: Dennis Shanahan. Dennis, you know, it's the highest primary vote.
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Speaker 3: In almost three years.
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Speaker 2: Though on the two party preferred we had polls before
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Speaker 2: Christmas that were showing the Coalition jing head of the government.
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Speaker 2: We haven't quite returned to that yet. But essentially my
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Speaker 2: reading of this is that the government is essentially at
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Speaker 2: status quo. Certainly when we're talking about primary votes we
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Speaker 2: are headed towards. Are we not a minority government of
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Speaker 2: some form at the next election?
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Speaker 4: Well, certainly on these figures it would suggest a minority
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Speaker 4: Labor government is a more likely outcome than a majority
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Speaker 4: for either side. This newspoll today, at fifty to fifty
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Speaker 4: on two party preferred, is the equal highest that there
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Speaker 4: has been between the Coalition and Labor. The last time
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Speaker 4: it was fifty to fifty was after the collapse of
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Speaker 4: the referendum on the Voice to Parliament, so not good
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Speaker 4: news for Labor at all, but particularly here for Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 4: This has meant that the Liberal Party is now the
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Speaker 4: coalition is now at thirty nine percent. This is the
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Speaker 4: highest it was has been since before the last election,
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Speaker 4: and this is a very important figure for primary vote
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Speaker 4: for the coalition. They need more, but at thirty nine
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Speaker 4: they're doing very well. Labor stuck at thirty three, just
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Speaker 4: above what they were at the last election, but preferred
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Speaker 4: prime Minister was where the big shift has occurred, and
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Speaker 4: what we've seen is that Peter Dutton, still behind Anthony
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Speaker 4: Albernasi as incumbent Prime Minister, is starting to close the gap.
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Speaker 4: This will worry Labor because Anthony Albernasi has made a
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Speaker 4: big point about having not been fallen behind on two
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Speaker 4: party preferred in his first two years in office and
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Speaker 4: also not being behind Peter Dutton as preferred Prime minister.
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Speaker 4: Those two benchmarks are now under real threat and Labor is.
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Speaker 10: Going to have to be very careful.
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Speaker 4: About the longer term trends to tick on cost of
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Speaker 4: living and the decline of the Green vote.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a pretty ordinary, to put it
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Speaker 2: mildly month or so for the government.
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Speaker 3: I wonder how much.
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Speaker 2: Of this could have been arrested if Andrew Garles had
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Speaker 2: simply been deposed when the proverbial started hitting the fan.
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Speaker 3: I mean as a leader. It has made the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister look thoroughly weak because he's just stood by and let.
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Speaker 3: It all happen.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think this is the problem for Antony Albernesi
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Speaker 4: versus Peter Dutton. Antony albernes is being seen as weak
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Speaker 4: and indecisive and that he doesn't have a vision for Australia.
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Speaker 4: These are real problems for a prime minister. These are
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Speaker 4: you know, yes, he's sort of more more likable than
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Speaker 4: Peter Dutton. But the point is that on these key
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Speaker 4: issues about strength, decision and vision, Peter Dutton is moving
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Speaker 4: up on Anthony Alberese. And I think that the cost
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Speaker 4: of living the long term effect of cost of living
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Speaker 4: and as you say, the long term effect. After all,
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Speaker 4: Andrew Giles hasn't been in trouble just the last couple
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Speaker 4: of months. He's been in trouble since October last year.
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Speaker 4: It was him who took the referendum off the front page.
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Speaker 4: So yes, Anthony ALBERANETI should have acted much earlier. He
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Speaker 4: can't now because he's dug in and he is suffering
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Speaker 4: a great deal of damage from Andrew Giles, the ongoing
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Speaker 4: pressure of cost of living, and just recently, without putting
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Speaker 4: too much emphasis on it, the fight between the Greens
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Speaker 4: and Labor and the Coalition over the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: While we're on polls, the Men's government in New South
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Speaker 2: Wales has slipped from the March twenty twenty three election.
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Speaker 2: They're now only just ahead of the Coalition at fifteen
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Speaker 2: and a half percent to forty nine and a half
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Speaker 2: percent on a two party preferred basis. But the real
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Speaker 2: problem for the opposition is that a significant number of voters,
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Speaker 2: and this is.
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Speaker 3: A poll from Redbridge out today.
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Speaker 2: Don't know who the opposition leader, Mark Speakman is or
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Speaker 2: what he stands for. Forty one percent of voters had
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Speaker 2: no opinion on his performance because they've got nothing to
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Speaker 2: base it on, and nineteen percent sorry said they weren't sure.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the opposition's job is to be
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Speaker 2: out there fighting against the government of the day. I
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Speaker 2: reckon if you walk down Pitt Street Mall in Sydney
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Speaker 2: and ask people who is the opposition leader of New
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Speaker 2: South Wales. Most wouldn't be able to tell you who
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Speaker 2: the bloke is. Even so, the government has slipped reasonably
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Speaker 2: significantly in the polls. If they want to make up
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Speaker 2: that little bit extra, they actually need.
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Speaker 3: To start doing something. They've almost got to this point
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Speaker 3: by natural attrition.
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Speaker 4: Well, kayleb, I'm very glad that you inserted the leader
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Speaker 4: of the opposition's name from New South Wales there, because I.
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Speaker 10: Wasn't quite short myself. This is the.
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Speaker 4: This is the polar opposite to what was happening with
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Speaker 4: the federal government and Anton Alberese for two years. Anton
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Speaker 4: Alberanese had a honeymoon. People felt that there was no
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Speaker 4: problem with the government, but they also knew Peter Dutton
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Speaker 4: because he had a long and high profile, and so
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Speaker 4: what we saw was what we are seeing now federally
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Speaker 4: is the polar opposite to what is happening in New
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Speaker 4: South Wales. In New South Wales, there's a bit of
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Speaker 4: buyer regret. The honeymoon's over and they don't particularly feel
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Speaker 4: comfortable with what's happening, but they can't identify an alternative,
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Speaker 4: and that's what's happening federally and so in New South Wales.
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Speaker 10: Yes, Labor's on a bit.
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Speaker 4: Of a slide, but this is not unusual for first
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Speaker 4: term governments. And I think that the real problem for
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Speaker 4: the Liberals is that they don't have a recognizable leader
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Speaker 4: or an alternative proposal as an alternative government.
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Speaker 10: So it's early days for the Liberals.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't get too carried away by that polling between
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Speaker 4: the parties. I think Label will come back and the
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Speaker 4: big weakness in New South Wales will be the IDENTIFICA.
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying this critically of speakman, he's just not recognized.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: One bloke who is recognizable X of the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: of course, is Peter Costello. He is now, as we
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Speaker 2: know Gonski is the chairman of Nine Entertainment. After his
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Speaker 2: altercation with Lea Mendez from your newspaper at the Canberra
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Speaker 2: Airport last week, Costello obviously denied striking him. He said
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Speaker 2: he tripped over a placard. But obviously yesterday his resignation
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Speaker 2: was announced. He's now going to be replaced by former
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Speaker 2: sky UK executive Katherine West. But you've known mister Costello
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Speaker 2: for a long time. What did you make of the
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Speaker 2: whole saga last week at the airport and what it's
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Speaker 2: obviously led to.
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Speaker 4: Oh, well, look, as soon as we saw it in
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Speaker 4: the office, it was clearly done the wrong thing. He
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Speaker 4: was going to pay with his job. There was no
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Speaker 4: doubt about that. Here he was the head of a
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Speaker 4: media organization having a bit of to and fro with
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Speaker 4: a working journalist, and clearly the footage shows there was contact.
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Speaker 4: It was the wrong thing to do for Peter Costello.
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Speaker 4: It was also very silly. Channel nine was in enormous difficulties,
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Speaker 4: they are in all sorts of scandals, and yet here
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Speaker 4: was the chairman making another problem on his way to
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Speaker 4: the opening of a new office, just here in the
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Speaker 4: press gallery. So what we're seeing is that Peter Costello
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Speaker 4: acted out of character. He's obviously under pressure. That was
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Speaker 4: clear view that his job was in danger in any case,
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Speaker 4: and his interaction with Lea Mendez, the Australian's reporter, who
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Speaker 4: was doing his job and doing his job well, spelt
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Speaker 4: the end of it. Personally, I thought it was sad
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Speaker 4: because now what we'll see is that after a long.
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Speaker 10: Career, and I have known Peter Costello since he entered.
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Speaker 4: Parliament thirty years ago and since, and he was a
21:29
Speaker 4: very good treasurer. He did a great deal for the
21:31
Speaker 4: country and personally some of his colleagues said to me they.
21:35
Speaker 10: Couldn't understand it.
21:36
Speaker 4: It was out of character for him to be so
21:40
Speaker 4: physically aggressive. So I think a sad day. But once
21:45
Speaker 4: it happened, it was clear the writing was on the
21:48
Speaker 4: wall and Peter Costello had to go, Yeah.
21:51
Speaker 2: It's just a strange turn of events. But you know,
21:54
Speaker 2: there's strange things going over at Channel Nina. I suppose
21:57
Speaker 2: quickly before we go, Dennis still hauled former South Australian
22:01
Speaker 2: Liberal Premier day today at the age of ninety five.
22:04
Speaker 2: He was Premier of Essay from sixty eight to seventy
22:08
Speaker 2: then he was an Essay Senator from seventy four to
22:10
Speaker 2: seventy seven. Then he went on to be the Member
22:13
Speaker 2: for Boothby Federal Member for Boothby from eighty one to
22:16
Speaker 2: ninety six. I think he's probably best known for dismantling
22:18
Speaker 2: the Playmander in South Australia, which helped Tom Playford remain
22:22
Speaker 2: in power.
22:23
Speaker 3: For nearly thirty years.
22:25
Speaker 2: A great of the South Australian Liberal Party. What is
22:29
Speaker 2: his ongoing impact on Australian politics.
22:32
Speaker 4: Tennis, Well, I think that that's right steel Hall, and
22:38
Speaker 4: he was in three legislatures, which is quite a record,
22:42
Speaker 4: and he actually I think his biggest impact was on
22:47
Speaker 4: the electoral process in the name of democracy. He ensured
22:51
Speaker 4: that in South Australia you actually got one vote for
22:54
Speaker 4: one person and it was a gerrymander there as it
22:58
Speaker 4: was had been previous in Queensland, and steel Hall campaigned
23:03
Speaker 4: on that and he actually succeeded I think even today
23:06
Speaker 4: Simon Birmingham, who said he had the great privilege to have,
23:11
Speaker 4: actually had him as a bit of a mentor, and
23:14
Speaker 4: he said his greatest contribution was not so much what
23:17
Speaker 4: he did in the chamber, but what he did on
23:20
Speaker 4: electoral laws and fairness for democracy in Australia.
23:25
Speaker 2: God the good old days of those jerrymanders, Aidennis Shanahan,
23:27
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time after the break
23:30
Speaker 2: reaction to Daniel Andrews King's birthday honor from one of
23:33
Speaker 2: the few politicians who actually called him out during the
23:36
Speaker 2: COVID period, plus a significant decision in the New South
23:39
Speaker 2: Wales courts that could see prosecutors more bullish in going
23:42
Speaker 2: after anti semitism or at least I hope so I'll
23:45
Speaker 2: explain that soon. Now it feels like every year there's
23:52
Speaker 2: some sort of controversy to come as a result of
23:55
Speaker 2: the Queen's or used to be Queen's now the King's
23:57
Speaker 2: Birthday honors.
23:58
Speaker 3: As part of the course basically.
24:00
Speaker 2: But there was a large cohort of Australians today, particularly Victorians,
24:05
Speaker 2: I think, left a ghast to learn that the former
24:07
Speaker 2: Premier Daniel Andrews received a Companion of the Order of
24:11
Speaker 2: Australia for, as I said earlier, among other things, his
24:15
Speaker 2: health policies. Seriously, this is the premier who presided over
24:19
Speaker 2: the diabolical hotel quarantine system that the Cot Review linked
24:24
Speaker 2: directly to the seven hundred and sixty eight deaths and
24:27
Speaker 2: a lockdown that lasted one hundred and eleven days, amongst
24:31
Speaker 2: all the other days that he had lockdown two hundred
24:34
Speaker 2: and sixty two in total. Then there was the litany
24:37
Speaker 2: of other lockdowns that I just talked about. You know,
24:39
Speaker 2: there were more draconian than the next. And I remember
24:41
Speaker 2: living through that last one there in Victoria. It was horrific.
24:45
Speaker 2: You couldn't even go outside and have an alcoholic beverage
24:49
Speaker 2: on your walk because apparently that was a danger to
24:52
Speaker 2: the community. Joining me now for his take on Andrew's honor,
24:56
Speaker 2: one of the few MP's during the COVID period with
24:58
Speaker 2: the guts to actually call out Andrew's libertarian Impte David Limbrick. David,
25:04
Speaker 2: I can imagine what your reaction was this morning, much
25:08
Speaker 2: the same as Mart.
25:09
Speaker 11: I'm assuming, well, yes, Caleb, but it struck me though
25:14
Speaker 11: that you know, anyone can give out awards, so I
25:17
Speaker 11: thought I'd give out my own award with the wooden
25:19
Speaker 11: spoon here. Like, Aside from all the other things that
25:24
Speaker 11: you mentioned, Caleb, you know, we had the situation in
25:28
Speaker 11: the last term in Parliament where schools were shut down
25:32
Speaker 11: not to save children, but to save everyone else, causing
25:35
Speaker 11: all sorts of developmental problems that were just starting to understand.
25:39
Speaker 11: We had medicines forced upon the population. If you didn't
25:42
Speaker 11: take it, you're going to lose your job and become ostracized.
25:45
Speaker 11: All of these and if you spoke up about it
25:48
Speaker 11: and wanted to protest in the streets, then the police
25:50
Speaker 11: had opened fire on you in the streets. It was
25:52
Speaker 11: absolutely outrageous, the human rights abuses. But aside from that,
25:56
Speaker 11: we had situation where before the election there was a
25:59
Speaker 11: promise of the Commonwealth Games. Then after the election, of course, whoops,
26:03
Speaker 11: it's too expensive now and we're going to Oh and
26:06
Speaker 11: by the way, it costs you know, five hundred and
26:07
Speaker 11: eighty million dollars just got wasted. We've got we've been
26:11
Speaker 11: left with a police force that's been demoralized and finding
26:14
Speaker 11: it hard to recruit. We've got a health system in
26:17
Speaker 11: disarray with ramping all the time, again finding it hard
26:20
Speaker 11: to recruit. And we've got debt up to the eyeballs
26:23
Speaker 11: and we've got to pay all this back. I mean,
26:25
Speaker 11: you know, if that deserves an award, I don't know
26:27
Speaker 11: what sort of award it should be.
26:29
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you've got Andrew Giles and Daniel Andrews
26:32
Speaker 2: of course share a name in part and kind of
26:34
Speaker 2: makes sense when you look at the record of those two,
26:37
Speaker 2: and I just cannot get over how crazy they must
26:41
Speaker 2: be over at the Council for the Order of Australia.
26:44
Speaker 2: I mean, they get nominations I'm sure out the wazoo
26:48
Speaker 2: from people saying this person deserves an IM and that
26:50
Speaker 2: person deserves an AC and that person deserves an AO,
26:53
Speaker 2: and it's not uncommon, as I said earlier in the show,
26:56
Speaker 2: for former premiers to be given these titles, But you
27:00
Speaker 2: would have thought they'd look at it and go Okay.
27:04
Speaker 2: They both left last year, and they both left with
27:08
Speaker 2: a fair bit of hatred towards them. The body is
27:12
Speaker 2: barely cold. Why would we give them an ac now?
27:16
Speaker 2: You know, five years down the line is perhaps a
27:18
Speaker 2: different discussion.
27:20
Speaker 3: Why give it to them now.
27:24
Speaker 11: That there's been no reckoning, Like, I mean, all of
27:27
Speaker 11: these decisions that were made during the pandemic, there's been
27:30
Speaker 11: no analysis of whether they were good decisions or not.
27:32
Speaker 11: People are just assuming that. I mean all the time
27:34
Speaker 11: people were compared I was comparing to other places in
27:37
Speaker 11: the world. The ones that spring to mind is Sweden
27:40
Speaker 11: and Japan, who did things very differently from us, and
27:43
Speaker 11: by just about every metric they did better than us.
27:45
Speaker 11: So it's hard to say, you know, well, you know,
27:47
Speaker 11: we're all these draconian measures that we went through in
27:51
Speaker 11: Victoria actually worth it? I'd say, absolutely not. But there
27:54
Speaker 11: hasn't been any sort of reckoning. Where's the Royal Commission
27:57
Speaker 11: that's looking into this, where's the ens aas and like
28:00
Speaker 11: if there were mistakes made, like how are we going
28:02
Speaker 11: to make sure that we don't make them again. I'm
28:04
Speaker 11: terrified that if, you know, the next disease comes along,
28:07
Speaker 11: they'll just do the same thing again, because you know,
28:09
Speaker 11: you know, Dan did a great job and he got
28:11
Speaker 11: an award for it, so it must be the right
28:13
Speaker 11: thing to do right well.
28:14
Speaker 2: And that's the most galling thing about all of this
28:17
Speaker 2: is you look at the US where last week, of course,
28:19
Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci, the former chief medical advisor to the US President,
28:24
Speaker 2: you know, actually had to get up in front of
28:26
Speaker 2: a congressional hearing and talk about the decisions he made
28:29
Speaker 2: and why he made them, where we found out that
28:31
Speaker 2: most of them were made on the basis of no
28:34
Speaker 2: thought or evidence whatsoever. I mean, he said, of we
28:37
Speaker 2: had one point five meters social distancing over there they
28:40
Speaker 2: had six foot, but he literally said that it just
28:43
Speaker 2: sort of appeared. It wasn't on the basis of any evidence.
28:47
Speaker 2: So that's obviously what happened here as well. We haven't
28:51
Speaker 2: had the Royal Commission we were promised we had some
28:54
Speaker 2: limp wristed thing where premiers aren't even compelled to go
28:58
Speaker 2: and talk to it. If you were Daniel Andrews, Mark
29:01
Speaker 2: McGowan or anyone else who was in power at the time.
29:04
Speaker 2: You know, you're laughing all the way to the bank.
29:06
Speaker 2: How good I get my ac on the other side.
29:08
Speaker 2: But all the people who had to staffer through it
29:10
Speaker 2: had to wake up this morning and suff for a
29:12
Speaker 2: little bit more to see that old mate who dadded
29:16
Speaker 2: them for years has been rewarded and never investigated.
29:23
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean there was never any sort of accountability
29:26
Speaker 11: for this, Like you say, there was never a we
29:28
Speaker 11: haven't had a role commission into it. I'm hoping that
29:30
Speaker 11: we'll have one, you know, sooner or later into what happened.
29:33
Speaker 11: But I mean with other things as well, like the
29:35
Speaker 11: Commonwealth Games inquiry. You know, Dan just thought, well, I
29:40
Speaker 11: don't know, I don't want to appear before that. Must
29:42
Speaker 11: have decided that it wasn't worth his time to come
29:44
Speaker 11: and explain those decisions. You know, I suppose it's only
29:47
Speaker 11: six hundred million dollars wasted? Who cares? Right like that?
29:50
Speaker 11: That's the sort of attitude that we get here. And
29:53
Speaker 11: I don't think it's good enough.
29:55
Speaker 2: No, I think good enough is not good enough. Of
29:57
Speaker 2: putting it pretty mildly, if I remember correctly, Paul Keating
30:02
Speaker 2: once refused such an honor because he said, well, it's
30:05
Speaker 2: been given to me simply for doing my job, and
30:08
Speaker 2: I yearn for leaders of his kind at least back
30:11
Speaker 2: in those days. And you have to wonder why anyone
30:13
Speaker 2: would want to accept an Order of an Australia if
30:16
Speaker 2: it puts you in the club with people like Mark
30:18
Speaker 2: McGowan and Daniel Andrews. Thank you so much for your time,
30:21
Speaker 2: David Limbrick. Now I want to go to what has
30:24
Speaker 2: been a significant case in the New South Wales courts
30:27
Speaker 2: that could potentially pave the way for the government and
30:29
Speaker 2: public prosecutor to pursue hate speech convictions. On Friday, New
30:34
Speaker 2: South Wales District Court Judge Jane Culver dismissed the appeal
30:38
Speaker 2: of Avon Carnwell, who sought to overturn a twenty twenty
30:42
Speaker 2: three local court conviction of threatening violence on the grounds
30:45
Speaker 2: of race. This now makes this the first conviction since
30:49
Speaker 2: the Offense Is Enactment in twenty eighteen, which outlaws threats
30:53
Speaker 2: of and the incitement to violence on the grounds of
30:57
Speaker 2: race and religion. Why this case matters in particular is
31:01
Speaker 2: because we've seen how reluctant authorities have been to pursue
31:04
Speaker 2: charges against anti Semitism in the wake of October seven.
31:08
Speaker 2: I hope this Martin Bolden authority is to become a
31:11
Speaker 2: bit more bullish. Will joining me now to get through
31:14
Speaker 2: all of this and what it means is the legal
31:15
Speaker 2: affairs contributor for The Australian, Chris Merit. Chris, welcome to
31:19
Speaker 2: the desk. Just explain what exactly this case is and
31:22
Speaker 2: why it's important.
31:25
Speaker 12: This is the first case of direct incitement to violence
31:29
Speaker 12: to stand up and go all the way through to
31:31
Speaker 12: a conviction and an appeal. It was broad under Section
31:34
Speaker 12: ninety three Z of the New South Wales Crimes Act,
31:37
Speaker 12: which is supposed to be the act that well, it's
31:41
Speaker 12: supposed to be used against incitement to violence. It hasn't
31:45
Speaker 12: been until now. So the significance of this is that
31:50
Speaker 12: it shows conclusively that ninety three ZED in its current
31:55
Speaker 12: state can work. It can achieve a conviction. But put
32:00
Speaker 12: this in its context what we're looking at in society
32:04
Speaker 12: that goes well beyond this direct incitement. We're talking about
32:09
Speaker 12: racial hatred, racial hate speech, which is a huge spectrum.
32:14
Speaker 12: Now we've got a couple of inquiries going one in
32:17
Speaker 12: New South Wales under Tom bathis the former Chief Justice,
32:21
Speaker 12: and there's action apparently in the office of the Federal
32:26
Speaker 12: Attorney General to beef up these laws which are supposed
32:30
Speaker 12: to deal with these But I'm very worried that instead
32:34
Speaker 12: of focusing on the real problem, which is the ineffectiveness
32:38
Speaker 12: of laws aimed at stopping a criminal act, which is
32:42
Speaker 12: incitement to violence, we're looking at expanding this out into
32:47
Speaker 12: the bottom end of the spectrum, if you like, which
32:50
Speaker 12: is speech that causes offense, intimidates the old at and
32:55
Speaker 12: c collection. Now, the problem is that if we are
32:59
Speaker 12: to criminalize that entire spectrum, what we're talking about is
33:04
Speaker 12: a sledgehammer approach that would result in a law of
33:07
Speaker 12: blasphemy that could be used by all particular religions. Any
33:11
Speaker 12: religion that took offense at something that was said, could
33:15
Speaker 12: resort to the criminal law, or could insist that the
33:18
Speaker 12: criminal law be used to defend them instead.
33:21
Speaker 3: What we should be.
33:22
Speaker 12: Doing is what leaders of the Jewish community have been
33:26
Speaker 12: banging on about for years and years and years, about
33:29
Speaker 12: seven years that I'm aware of, which is beefing up
33:32
Speaker 12: the top end of the spectrum, which is real problems.
33:36
Speaker 12: The problem is that it only focuses on direct incitement
33:41
Speaker 12: and not the indirect incitement we've seen since October seven
33:45
Speaker 12: October nine. Really, so what we need, I think, is
33:51
Speaker 12: laws that crack down on hate preachers who use their
33:56
Speaker 12: positions of trust in mosques to glorify or approve or
34:04
Speaker 12: validate violence against Jewish people. Now, that's the problem that's emerged,
34:11
Speaker 12: and that's what needs to be attacked. Now. I'm worried
34:16
Speaker 12: that in New South Wales, the Baptist Inquiry, it's terms
34:21
Speaker 12: of reference go well beyond that and talk about they
34:25
Speaker 12: include vilification the same as incitement, And if you put
34:30
Speaker 12: it all together, I think it would reignite the old
34:36
Speaker 12: culture wars over eighteen c. It would go too far,
34:40
Speaker 12: and I think there'd be attempts to water it down
34:44
Speaker 12: to ease the impact of it on the lower end
34:47
Speaker 12: of the spectrum, Whereas what we should be doing is
34:50
Speaker 12: getting tough on where the problem is.
34:53
Speaker 2: And you go down that road, you end up with
34:55
Speaker 2: just impotent laws and you may as well have been
34:56
Speaker 2: where you were in the first place. Right, I mean,
34:59
Speaker 2: you can't out law hatred, you can't outlaw religious hatred,
35:03
Speaker 2: and you can't outlaw racial hatred because I can tell
35:07
Speaker 2: you it's bad to be racist, and I'm going to
35:09
Speaker 2: make it illegal for you to be racist. But I
35:11
Speaker 2: can't control the thoughts in your head. Right, you can't
35:14
Speaker 2: ban racism or any kind of religious discrimination or hatred.
35:19
Speaker 2: What you can do, as you say, is ban incitement
35:22
Speaker 2: to violence, because that is ultimately once you want to stop.
35:25
Speaker 2: We've now got a case on the books that proves
35:28
Speaker 2: that the existing law can be used. I've argued for
35:33
Speaker 2: months that all of these inquiries and discussions around beefing
35:36
Speaker 2: up the laws is somewhat superfluous. We have laws, why
35:41
Speaker 2: aren't they being used?
35:43
Speaker 12: Look, I think it gets down to two things. I
35:47
Speaker 12: think there were doubts about the ability of ninety three
35:51
Speaker 12: Z in New South Wales to work. Federally, There's been
35:55
Speaker 12: doubts going back seven years that I'm aware of, for
35:59
Speaker 12: the equivalent revisions of the Commonwealth Criminal Code to work.
36:04
Speaker 12: There's been law reform inquiries into the Commonwealth law. The
36:09
Speaker 12: reform reform ideas have been presented to the Federal government.
36:14
Speaker 12: They're clear. All we've got to do is enact them.
36:18
Speaker 12: I am worried that what we might see coming out
36:21
Speaker 12: of the Commonwealth and this should apply nationally. Quite frankly,
36:26
Speaker 12: it's a problem that goes right beyond New South Wales.
36:28
Speaker 12: And the only way to get a proper fix is
36:31
Speaker 12: if the Commonwealth fixes up the Commonwealth Criminal Code and
36:35
Speaker 12: does this focuses on direct incitement and its equivalent the
36:40
Speaker 12: indirect incitement that we've seen from mosques and outside the
36:45
Speaker 12: opera house.
36:45
Speaker 3: That's what it was.
36:47
Speaker 12: It should be unlawful not because it gives offense to somebody,
36:51
Speaker 12: but because it incites violence directly or indirectly.
36:55
Speaker 2: Yes, well you get down the road of criminalizing offense.
36:58
Speaker 2: It's a dangerous place to end up and a story
37:01
Speaker 2: broken by The Australian. This afternoon, the Australian Lawyers Alliances
37:05
Speaker 2: made a submission to the Law Reform Commission suggesting that
37:11
Speaker 2: judge only trials for rape should be made available to
37:15
Speaker 2: all defendants across the country. Victoria, the Act in the
37:19
Speaker 2: Northern Territory don't currently allow trial by judge.
37:22
Speaker 3: It's compulsorily trial by jury.
37:25
Speaker 2: I liked the idea because when you look at cases
37:29
Speaker 2: like Bruce Lehreman, I think, well, how could you possibly
37:33
Speaker 2: find a jury in a place like the Act that
37:37
Speaker 2: was ever going to be completely impartial on a case
37:40
Speaker 2: like that, why shouldn't the option be available?
37:43
Speaker 12: I think an option should be available, but I draw
37:47
Speaker 12: the line at a right to dispense with a jury.
37:50
Speaker 12: In Near South Wales, they've had the judiciary has discretion
37:55
Speaker 12: about whether to dispense with juries in particular cases, and
37:59
Speaker 12: I think we've seen that years quite sensibly Eddie Abird
38:04
Speaker 12: Ian MacDonald they didn't go before a jury for obvious reasons.
38:09
Speaker 12: They couldn't be impossible to find anybody in New South
38:12
Speaker 12: Wales who didn't have preconceived ideas about those matters. In
38:16
Speaker 12: those circumstances, the decision should be up to the judge. Look,
38:20
Speaker 12: I agree with the analysis of Greg Barnes from the
38:24
Speaker 12: Lawyer's Alliance. It's the remedy that I differ with him on.
38:29
Speaker 12: I think they're saying it should be a right to
38:32
Speaker 12: dispense with the jury excludes any oversight by the judge. Now,
38:37
Speaker 12: trial by jury does have its problems, but it's an
38:39
Speaker 12: ancient right. We shouldn't lightly throw it out. The problems
38:43
Speaker 12: that we've seen, and we've seen this in the Luhreman
38:47
Speaker 12: case or the Britney Higgins case, as well as jurors
38:51
Speaker 12: running off and disobeying instructions from judges and doing their
38:56
Speaker 12: own research. The remedy for that is not to throw
38:59
Speaker 12: out juries, to enforce provisions in the Jury Act which
39:03
Speaker 12: imposed criminal penalties for misbehaving jurors. I think that's the way.
39:08
Speaker 12: But if the ac T just think about this, if
39:11
Speaker 12: the Act legislature had made it available the option of
39:17
Speaker 12: a judge in the Lerman case to dispense with the
39:21
Speaker 12: jury and have a judge aline trial, where would we
39:24
Speaker 12: be now. I think all the collateral litigation, all the
39:27
Speaker 12: defamation matters that have clogged the court since that the
39:31
Speaker 12: failure of that prosecution might have just disappeared.
39:36
Speaker 3: Don't make me dream things.
39:38
Speaker 2: I mean, it was good for the news business, I suppose,
39:40
Speaker 2: but my goodness, if we could have avoided all of that,
39:42
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would be very happy.
39:44
Speaker 3: Chris Merritt, thank you so much. What I'm going tonight?
39:47
Speaker 2: After the break more energy was on the horizon, with
39:50
Speaker 2: a major gas power station suffering months of delays, plus
39:53
Speaker 2: that disturbing attack on the US consulate overnight seemilarly by
39:57
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters.
39:59
Speaker 3: Don't go.
40:04
Speaker 2: Let's bring in the panel for tonight LNP and P
40:07
Speaker 2: Keith Pitt and former Howard government minister Gary hardgrave Fellers
40:12
Speaker 2: welcome now, Keith, We've we've got a bit to get through.
40:15
Speaker 2: But I know you've been very outspoken when it comes
40:17
Speaker 2: to our climate commitments. What did you make with over
40:20
Speaker 2: the FRACA within the coalition obviously coming to our targets
40:24
Speaker 2: and whether or not the coalition should be abandoning the
40:28
Speaker 2: Paris Agreement. Dutton has said that if he formed government,
40:31
Speaker 2: we do away with the twenty thirty target, but does
40:34
Speaker 2: it really go far enough?
40:38
Speaker 13: All the problem with all of this, it's got very
40:40
Speaker 13: Monty pythonish. You know, my target's bigger than your target. No,
40:43
Speaker 13: I'll get to my target before you get to your target.
40:46
Speaker 13: And it's all completely disconnected from reality. So how about
40:50
Speaker 13: this for a priority, we get back to doing what
40:52
Speaker 13: is in the interest of the Australian nation, not the
40:54
Speaker 13: United Nations. We are in the middle of a cost
40:57
Speaker 13: of living crisis right now and all of those poor
41:01
Speaker 13: individuals out there who are worried about losing the roof
41:04
Speaker 13: over their heads, can't pay their bills, can't pay their
41:06
Speaker 13: food bill, why don't we make them the priority? It
41:09
Speaker 13: is a very long time to twenty fifty and I
41:12
Speaker 13: just think this is pretty.
41:13
Speaker 3: Sensible, haven't be it done?
41:14
Speaker 10: Yeah?
41:15
Speaker 3: I think so too.
41:16
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, Fellers, I'll meet you out
41:18
Speaker 2: the back behind the bark sheds after the show. I'll
41:20
Speaker 2: bring the tape measure and we'll have a target measuring contest.
41:23
Speaker 2: While we're on matters of energy, Energy Australia.
41:27
Speaker 11: I thought you were going somewhere else.
41:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, I gotcha. Energy Australia's got a
41:31
Speaker 2: new three hundred million dollar gas power station in New
41:35
Speaker 2: South Wales, but they've got all these technical issues, which
41:38
Speaker 2: means it's yet to actually deliver any power to the
41:40
Speaker 2: national market despite opening months ago. It's the Talawara b
41:45
Speaker 2: plants in the Ilawara region of New South Wales, opened
41:48
Speaker 2: in February, but sources have told The Australian that the
41:52
Speaker 2: delays could involve a part which apparently needs to be
41:55
Speaker 2: shipped over from the United States. I mean, Gary, this
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Speaker 2: just proves how important it is to have fossil fuel energy,
42:05
Speaker 2: be it gas or coal, in the market. And you
42:09
Speaker 2: know we're heading into the real cool months now. We
42:13
Speaker 2: have energy that could be online that isn't there. We
42:17
Speaker 2: saw the report from the AEMO just a month or
42:20
Speaker 2: two ago that's spilt out due to gas energy going
42:25
Speaker 2: offline in South Australia, that that would cause problems in
42:28
Speaker 2: Essay in Victoria come summertime.
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Speaker 3: We need this stuff. We don't have enough of it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, We've got plenty of it in the ground. So drill, baby, drill,
42:39
Speaker 1: dig baby, dig. I say, so, let's get on and
42:42
Speaker 1: get it out and get it to use. But you know,
42:44
Speaker 1: I mean, I can just simply say, as somebody who
42:46
Speaker 1: lives in Queensland a few hundred klometers to the north
42:49
Speaker 1: of where I am, and not do that far west
42:52
Speaker 1: of where Keith is in Bundy. We've got some of
42:55
Speaker 1: the world's greatest, most beautiful black coal that is more
42:59
Speaker 1: than of generating a lot of electricity for a lot
43:02
Speaker 1: of Australians and at a cheap price. You know, we
43:05
Speaker 1: can actually do cheap reliable electricity. Again, if we could
43:09
Speaker 1: just get off all of these stupid climate targets, If
43:12
Speaker 1: Chris Barine would take a long walk off the proverbial
43:14
Speaker 1: political short peer and just disappear wherever he happens to
43:18
Speaker 1: disappear to I mean, I say, to the people of
43:21
Speaker 1: the seat of McMahon in western Sydney. Get rid of
43:24
Speaker 1: this bloke, because if you don't, every little old lady
43:28
Speaker 1: in little old man in Australia during course of winter
43:31
Speaker 1: and summer we'll be making a decision about whether to
43:33
Speaker 1: be hot or cool, or cook or have the lights on.
43:36
Speaker 1: And that's because of this bloke and his complete per
43:40
Speaker 1: chump to his whole approach to power is all about
43:45
Speaker 1: virtue signaling, keeping the United Nations happy, keeping people in
43:49
Speaker 1: Europe happy who enjoy nuclear power. We've got to get
43:52
Speaker 1: our coal back in to vogue, keep using it here,
43:56
Speaker 1: we're shipping plenty of it overseas. We need to have
43:58
Speaker 1: it back. And of course the Victoria government, well it's
44:00
Speaker 1: bereft of any chance of a manufacturing industry with some
44:04
Speaker 1: of this incredibly expensive electricity they've got. And one last point,
44:08
Speaker 1: Queens don't used to have the world's cheapest electricity, the
44:11
Speaker 1: world's cheapest electricity and plenty of it. Now we've got
44:14
Speaker 1: some of the most expensive, second only probably to South
44:17
Speaker 1: Australia in the Australian contest.
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Speaker 11: This has to change.
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Speaker 2: Well, you say, Gary, though, the little old ladies and
44:23
Speaker 2: the little old men will be freezing. Let's not discriminate
44:25
Speaker 2: against the big old ladies and the big old men
44:28
Speaker 2: as well. I'm sure they do exist out there. They
44:31
Speaker 2: don't want to feel left out. And speaking of feeling
44:34
Speaker 2: left out coal, as you were just talking about, you know,
44:37
Speaker 2: we're keep being told there's no market for a here,
44:39
Speaker 2: there's no use for it. China is one place that
44:42
Speaker 2: does help it. And in fact, it's been reported today
44:45
Speaker 2: that Chinese demand for coal has helped fuel a record
44:49
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand, five hundred and five coal mining jobs
44:53
Speaker 2: in New South Wales. And get this, thermal and metallurgical
44:57
Speaker 2: coal exports from New South Wales to China swored from
45:00
Speaker 2: three point five to seven million to thirty one point
45:04
Speaker 2: nine million tons after Beijing removed its ban on Australian
45:08
Speaker 2: coal Keith.
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Speaker 3: That's in one year. And we're told I have no
45:11
Speaker 3: use for coal.
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Speaker 1: Well, they love it in other places, absolutely Well, they
45:16
Speaker 1: certainly love it in China because it's it's high quality,
45:20
Speaker 1: it gets delivered on time.
45:22
Speaker 13: It comes from a very renowned source. And guess what,
45:25
Speaker 13: it is our second biggest export commodity in this country
45:28
Speaker 13: and it provides tens of thousands of people with direct
45:31
Speaker 13: jobs and hundreds of thousands with indirect jobs and they're
45:36
Speaker 13: all using it. I mean, China's increase in emissions, they're
45:39
Speaker 13: just their increase in one year is bigger.
45:41
Speaker 3: Than Australia's and time contribution.
45:43
Speaker 13: It is absolute economic self harm and we've got to
45:46
Speaker 13: get it back under control and we are.
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Speaker 11: Competing with them.
45:49
Speaker 13: Look at what happened to SPC last week with orders
45:52
Speaker 13: from a walworst cut they're going to get their two
45:54
Speaker 13: fruits from China.
45:57
Speaker 2: The amount of stuff we do get from China, and
45:59
Speaker 2: of course, as you say, it's all burnt made with
46:01
Speaker 2: colon that's brought from US and they burned it over there.
46:04
Speaker 2: And of course all the solar panels that we have
46:07
Speaker 2: sent over here from chinaan, what do you think that
46:08
Speaker 2: we're using to make them over there?
46:10
Speaker 3: Goodness sake.
46:11
Speaker 2: Now, the United States Consular office in Sydney we saw today,
46:16
Speaker 2: was vandalized overnight. The windows were smashed, the US Consulate
46:20
Speaker 2: insignia was painted over with those upside down triangles there
46:26
Speaker 2: and those symbols are used by pro Palestinian activists. And
46:30
Speaker 2: it's the second time that the consulate has been vandalized
46:33
Speaker 2: this year. The New South Wales Premier called it out,
46:36
Speaker 2: but I mean, for heaven's sake, Gary, you know we
46:39
Speaker 2: are how far into this now October last year. This
46:42
Speaker 2: stuff keeps happening because no one has really stood up
46:46
Speaker 2: to stop it.
46:47
Speaker 3: And in the last.
46:47
Speaker 2: Five minutes the Prime Minister seems to have woken up
46:51
Speaker 2: a little bit and had a fight with the Greens
46:53
Speaker 2: last week, but seriously, too little, too late, and this
46:56
Speaker 2: is what we get.
46:59
Speaker 1: Look at, we have a coward over prime minister. This
47:02
Speaker 1: blogue has got no courage, no conviction, and Australia is
47:06
Speaker 1: suffering as a result. We have no direction and this
47:08
Speaker 1: lawlessness comes as a result of that void that he
47:11
Speaker 1: has created. The Americans who used to being targeted around
47:14
Speaker 1: the world, so they'll just see it as yet another
47:16
Speaker 1: attack on America by terrorists.
47:19
Speaker 3: And let's be very.
47:20
Speaker 1: Plain, this is not about the Palestinian people, It's not
47:22
Speaker 1: about Muslims. This is about terrorism. The Hamas people are
47:26
Speaker 1: terrorists who have killed thousands of people in Gaza and
47:31
Speaker 1: other places because of their activity. The Israelis are simply
47:35
Speaker 1: now trying to defend their right against this terrorist group
47:37
Speaker 1: who have no affinity at all to any country. They're
47:40
Speaker 1: sponsored by Iran, Joe Biden is of course the lead
47:44
Speaker 1: weak person in the world, but Anthony Albanizi has absolutely
47:48
Speaker 1: no vision, no plan and no courage when it comes
47:51
Speaker 1: to these matters. I mean, like last week as well,
47:53
Speaker 1: there were a couple of Taiwanese students that were bashed
47:56
Speaker 1: here in Brisbane. And you know, I'm just simply saying,
47:59
Speaker 1: our internet reputation is already suffering because of the way
48:03
Speaker 1: we locked our country up during COVID, and now we've
48:06
Speaker 1: got these sorts of lawless problems and a prime minister
48:09
Speaker 1: who seems ill equipped, unable to do anything that looks
48:13
Speaker 1: like it makes any sense to people like us, to
48:16
Speaker 1: the Western Democracy Club, we're a center right country and
48:20
Speaker 1: we need people who are willing to stand for the
48:23
Speaker 1: center right values that have delivered this country to where
48:26
Speaker 1: it should be.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I'm sorry, gents, we've run out of time.
48:30
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to Emmanuel Macron and France, because
48:33
Speaker 2: of course he's called a snap election after the right
48:36
Speaker 2: Wei national rally of one thirty two percent of the
48:38
Speaker 2: free in the EU competed to fifteen percent of Macron's
48:42
Speaker 2: Renaissance Party. I'll tell you what it's good to see.
48:45
Speaker 2: I hope there's more of it to come. But anyway, gents,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me tonight. Well that's
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Speaker 2: it for me this evening. I'll be back at ten
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Speaker 2: pm for the late Debate. Stick around now for the
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Speaker 2: Bolt Report with James McPherson