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Weirdest Celebrity Busts, Part I: Nixon Smuggled Weed, Arbuckle Was Innocent · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: heard of a story that would involve Trude Nixon three
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  Speaker 1: pounds of marijuana and the person who is the drug
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  Speaker 1: smuggler is Richard Nixon. Okay, you hit me. You hit
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  Speaker 1: me with it, because the only time I heard of
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  Speaker 1: this is Zarin. You had you had said, hey, well
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  Speaker 1: there's all you know Richard Dixon. Right. I was like
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  Speaker 1: what and then you said, look just hold on, just
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  Speaker 1: save it. So I'm I'm flying blind on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Not Richard Nixon trivia fact for all the history, but
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  Speaker 1: famously loved drugs. Right well, I was gonna say deep cut.
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  Speaker 1: At one point he was president of one country or another.
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  Speaker 1: He did do the president thing somewhere's around here, I believe, Okay, sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they did this double peace sign. He really popularized that gesture.
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  Speaker 1: He was a big fan of peace and he promoted
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  Speaker 1: it around the world, both with hand gestures and heavy ordinance.
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  Speaker 1: Right bombed them into piece. Yeah. He also was the
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  Speaker 1: leader of that caper and point break it in a
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  Speaker 1: again I think yeah, Reagan, lb J, Nixon and Carter
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  Speaker 1: I believe with the floor. But yeah, the critic criticism
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  Speaker 1: being that their acting was a little plastic. Sorry, Max,
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  Speaker 1: I earned that grown cute but well too bad nol
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  Speaker 1: uh so because I gotta hear this story, so uh
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  Speaker 1: zeren just on the offset, most people would say that
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  Speaker 1: being affiliated with drug consumption of like or just being
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  Speaker 1: affiliate in general with any kind of illicit substance with
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  Speaker 1: sort of Nis not Nixon, but nicks One's chances at
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  Speaker 1: the presidency. Did this occur? Did this story happen before
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  Speaker 1: Tricky Dick like ascended to the halls of power. Oh? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: actually was abusing and using his power then, long before
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  Speaker 1: he became a president got known for Watergate and his
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  Speaker 1: abusive of power. He was doing it as a vice
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  Speaker 1: president to he was just you know, like trying it
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  Speaker 1: out JV level style. Then he got varsity level and
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  Speaker 1: broke the country. So that's kind of his approach. So
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  Speaker 1: as a vice president, this is like nineteen fifties obviously,
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  Speaker 1: so Eisenhower's the president, Tricky Dick is his VP. They
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  Speaker 1: don't really like each other, but he's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so he's sending Nixon out of the country often, and
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the times that Nixon is out
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  Speaker 1: of the country. So meanwhile, they're also of course fighting communism.
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  Speaker 1: So this big fight for communism is taking place on
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of battle fronts. It's not just that they're
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  Speaker 1: goodwill ambassadors to do like a cultural soft power fight.
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  Speaker 1: So people like Louis Armstrong are also being sent out
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  Speaker 1: in a war against communism. So these two, oh say,
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  Speaker 1: powerhouses of mid century of America, Louis Armstrong and Tricky
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  Speaker 1: Dick Nixon, they end up crossing paths. And what brings
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  Speaker 1: them together three pounds of marijuana. That brings a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people together. I'd bring me together. I'm together just
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it, right exactly. The picture that you are
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  Speaker 1: in idle Wild, New York, and you're sitting there in
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  Speaker 1: this airport and you notice who is that Louis Armstrong.
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  Speaker 1: You're like in your person next year's like, Dad, that's
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  Speaker 1: Louie Armstrong. And everyone's like really impressed that Louis Armstrong
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  Speaker 1: is there. Meanwhile, Louis Armstrong is you know, just kind
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  Speaker 1: of breezing through on his like you know, star power
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  Speaker 1: if you will. They don't really think of it back then,
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  Speaker 1: but he is a jazz trumpeter that everybody knew everybody like,
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  Speaker 1: he's also a beloved figure. That's why he's a good
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  Speaker 1: will ambassador. So he's good will ambassadoring around the airport.
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  Speaker 1: And meanwhile he's got three pounds of marijuana in his
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  Speaker 1: luggage jazz cabbage. Yeah, you know, he's keeping a reefer
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  Speaker 1: style pounds really three pounds. Yeah, he's back into the
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  Speaker 1: country with this. This is his like, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: gotta get back to America. I don't know where he
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  Speaker 1: is that they have better marijuana that he's willing to
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  Speaker 1: risk it with three pounds, but apparently this up with
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  Speaker 1: some good gauge and he's like, I need to get
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  Speaker 1: this back home to New Orleans. Uh. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: message from Dave saying I think it was gotta is.
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  Speaker 1: Uh that Louis, I'm sorry, is firing from Ghana. Also, also,
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  Speaker 1: I love that you point this out. Louis Armstrong is
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  Speaker 1: such a prominent figure at this time that despite the
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  Speaker 1: rampant racism, especially in the US, he is accorded some
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  Speaker 1: level of respect, right like people people who would ordinarily
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  Speaker 1: be virulence monsters in society or like, oh no, it's
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  Speaker 1: Louis though, you know, Louis, Yeah, you're wonderful world name
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  Speaker 1: the airport after him one. He was that's right, um,
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  Speaker 1: really quickly. We we actually did this as an episode
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  Speaker 1: years ago. I barely remember the details. This is like
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  Speaker 1: hearing it for the first time because you only smoked
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  Speaker 1: marijuana and three pound increments. Yeah, I'm sure there's some
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  Speaker 1: stuff that you dug up that we didn't even touch on.
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  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to put that out there so
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  Speaker 1: you can hear a completely vastly different take on this.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to go with a storm from very
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  Speaker 1: the first episode, this is gonna be. It's fine, it's
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  Speaker 1: an experience. What happens next. I'm literally on the edge
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  Speaker 1: of my because I do not remember so winter Richard Nixon.
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  Speaker 1: So we're standing in this airport, and as Ben pointed out,
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  Speaker 1: louis being afforded a certain level of respect and this
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  Speaker 1: is not typical for most black Americans at this time.
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  Speaker 1: He's flying back into the country. The reason why he's
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  Speaker 1: bringing back this three pounds in his luggage is he's
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  Speaker 1: gotten away with it the last two times he's flown
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  Speaker 1: into the country. He is a good will ambassador. Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: he is an ambassador of America, so he doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to go through customs. Nobody searches his luggage. He's thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I'm good to go. I'm gonna bring three pounds in.
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  Speaker 1: He's does this gets back this time. They're like, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: you have to go to the customs, and they direct
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  Speaker 1: him into the line for customs. He's like starting to
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  Speaker 1: sweat because he's now a good will ambassador who's about
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  Speaker 1: to really embarrass the country because if he's coming back
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  Speaker 1: three pounds and will make the whole program look bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, what are these good will ambassadors doing out there?
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  Speaker 1: What kind of good will are they spreading? So he's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sitting there in the line, sweating in like
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  Speaker 1: what did they say? Uh, well, sex worker in shirts?
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  Speaker 1: What's this expression? He's sitting there sweating hard, right. And
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  Speaker 1: while he's doing this, all of a sudden these doors
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  Speaker 1: open in the airport and then swans into the airport
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  Speaker 1: Richard Nixon with a whole entourage of press who were
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  Speaker 1: following him for his travels abroad. Now Nixon is looking
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  Speaker 1: his eyeball in the White House and he knows if
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  Speaker 1: he can get a good photo with Louis Armstrong, this
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  Speaker 1: will be great for his like, you know, wire press coverage.
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  Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, look, he's like, you know, Louis
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  Speaker 1: Armstrong likes him, you know, take him, take notice Democrats.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: But you know, instead he's like, okay, pricky Dick Nixon
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: is gonna go over here and uh get the shot.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So he goes, Hey, Louie, Louis. He calls over to Satchmo,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and Satchmo meanwhile sitting there worried he's about to get
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: busted with three pounds of pot, and he's like, oh,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I don't want pops, right, And so Nixon's like, Sasha,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Right? And now Louie Armstrong
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, with his distinctive gravelly boys, well, Pops,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you see, I just came back from Goodwill and Massa
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the tour of Asia, and they told man, I had
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to stand in this line for customs, and Nixon, right,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Nixon's is totally shocked by this, so he he bends down,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: he grabs Louie's luggage. He goes, ambassadors don't have to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: go through customs, and the Vice President of the United
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: States will gladly carry your bag for you. So Nixon
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: then pulls this three pounds of marijuana, right, into America
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and basically drug mules Louis potty and safely for him,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and Louis like, oh man, by that that is so much.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And so now later on somebody finds out about this,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: because you know, some of these White House people, they'll
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: go down and they'll listen to jazz I'll go down
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to Harlem. So one of them hears from this jazz
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: cat that, oh man, Louis got it. He got his
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: drugs and thanks to your boss, and what are you
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: talking about? And then he's like, well, yeah, don't you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: So he tells him the story. This aid goes back
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and he tells Nixon, man, uh, there's this story floating
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: around you were drug muling for Louis Armstrong and he's like, well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Louis smokes up Mari Wanta. So Nixon was just shocked
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: by that and it was just blown away. But the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: story he never really gets out. It stays at the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: level of rumor and myth, and everybody can kind of
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: be like, you know, they have that plausible deniability that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: presidents love or vice presidents who want to be president
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: definitely love. So then he gets you know, he gets
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: back to like telling people that his dog is a
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: cover for his slush funds. So everything goes back to normal.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: What okay? I have checkers speech right with the whole like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and we want to keep the dog right right right?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I love the uh okay, I've I have so many questions,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: but there's okay. So so first, the plausible diet deniability
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: is crazy, right, like former President George W. Bush had
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a certain talent and knows you could say for cocaine
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: who was long and he uh he also never really
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: had to face consequences of this. But is it not
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: at the very least typic critical, if not profoundly ironic,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that Nixon was would go on to be such a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: proponent of the war on drugs during his presidency? Right,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Like did he like get burned so bad through his
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: accidental drug muling that he was like never again, no
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: longer trust jazz musician jazz the left hand cigarettes also
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: killing it with the voices there, And I remember Ben,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: we we had a period Nix and off we were
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: challenged to do it to Nixon off against each well.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I wanted us to do an episode where we both
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I just think it would be a lot. He's just
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: too much Nixon. I don't want to get too too heavy,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: but if we're talking about aids that are like squealing
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: on stuff that happened within the Nixon administration. Uh, you
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: guys are probably aware that one of his top aids.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: In fact, he uh the Domestic policy chief of the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Nixon administration, UM made very clear that the Nixon campaign
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: UM knew very full well that the war on drugs
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: was just an excuse to target black people and hippies.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about Lee at Water? Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Well he's basically just you know, Lee at Water in
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: better suit exactly. I just, you know, I mean, it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: so obvious kind of, I think to anybody looking back,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: But like he sent us some stuff in motion that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: is still barreling through, you know, American culture to this day.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's slowed down a little bit and we
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: kind of see it for what it is. But the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: fact that marijuana prohibitions still exists in any form, I
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: think as a testament to how powerful these types of
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: moves can be, and they stretched through like generations. You know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna describe now going forward,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna describe Nixon as uh, former drug mule. It's accurate, accurate,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and there's more to this story, by the way, because
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: there's a It's not like there's no real connection, but
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it is a tenuous connection at best that if somebody
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to, they could say that A couple of weeks later,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: after this attempt or I guess not attempt, successful attempt
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: to get him to mule drugs into America, Louis Armstrong's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: wife gets arrested in Hawaii. There's a raid on their
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: hotel room. They're sitting in their hotel room in Waikiki.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Louis Armstrong bounces out of the hotel room. She's left
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: alone with like their stash of pot, and all of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a sudden, the way Kiki police come kicking in the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: door and they arrest his wife, blame her for having
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the marijuana's to total attempt to embarrass him. She has
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to stay in jail in Waikiki until they give her
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. Now satch Mode when he like you know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he bails out his wife. He's he doesn't think that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: like Nixon did this to me. I'm not suggesting that,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: but what he does as he realizes that he can't
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: have this fear hanging over him that he should be
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: able to like blow all the reefer and smoke all
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the gauge he wants, And he asked his lawyer to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: give him basically a get out of jail free card.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And I assume the person he's writing this letter to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: is Richard Nixon. So do you want to hear his
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: approach and his um appeal to his lawyer because he
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: grounds his argument in Jesus wants me to smoke this marijuana.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, yeah, well I'll go to church with
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this one. Yes please, Okay, So I'm gonna give you
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: my last of my louis. This may kill my voice,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but here we go. Mr Glazer. You must see to
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: it that I have special permission to smoke all the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: reefs that I want to. I will just have to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: put this horn down. That's all I can gladly about
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: for a nice fat stick, a gauge which relaxes my
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: nerves if I have any. I can't afford to be
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: tense fearing that any minute I'm gonna be arrested brought
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to jail. My send a little minded thing like marijuana.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I just won't carry on with such sphere over nothing,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And I don't intend to ever stop smoking it, not
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: as long as it grows. And there is no one
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: on earth, on this earth that can ever stop at
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: all from growing, No one but Jesus. And he wouldn't
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: dare because he feels the same way that I do
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: about it. And nothing but medicine, I gotta say. I mean,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: so many other jazz musicians fell victim to heroin addiction.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't much prefer the sticks of gauge too, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: syringes of smack. Yes, we want sticks of gauges and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the strings of smack. Put this on the poster. Yeah
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: we do this, Yeah we could do this. Yeah we
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: we surely. I mean, now it's not even a matter
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of budget. This is like ethically the right thing to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: do exactly. We can agree this. This is an amazing story.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: It also Louis Armstrong has such First off, I I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: get that there's an angle to that letter. H Who
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: was he writing that too? Again? But I don't disagree
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: his lawyer, right, yeah? Does He wrote to his lawyer
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and he said, you gotta get me a get out
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of jail free car with this pot. I can't be
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: having this hanging over my head or I will put
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: down my horn and that will affect your wallet, which
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is I mean talk about using using privilege for a
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: positive you know, I think that's like, that really is
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: profound and also to everybody's point. Yeah, I don't like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: if anything, it's been ridiculous in a bad way for
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: drug laws concerning marijuana to affect people the way they have. Uh.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And there's something in that letter that's really really cool.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: There's not there's never the explicit line you tell Richard.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: There's never like tell Richard, I know that he knows. Uh.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: But that turns out Nixon was kind of a dick.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: That's a very least spoiler alert Nixon kind of a
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: dick spoiler for everybody. He's only learning about the president's
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in chronological order. If you're still like, if you're still
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: like on Pierce, it gets ready some surprises coming. You
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: got some surprises coming. Oh gosh. Yeah, no spoilers. But
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: if you gause ever heard this story about like Nixon.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He has a lot of bizarre stories with celebrities, like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: he gives Elvis a special badge as a drug investigator,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: you know, right, and was out of his gourd. Yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: it's a photo of exactly his eyes are pin wheels.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: There's another one he takes where he's basically just straight
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: up Nixon abuses his power. And this one is while
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: he's president, he goes and shows Jackie Gleason some aliens. Okay,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you've heard about this, but that someone got to see
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: because Jackie Gleason apparently loved aliens, and he had a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: house that was built in the shape of a UFO.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, at this point on his
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: fourth wife, and he's like, you know, down the downside
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of his career. So he's like not like bumming. He's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: basically just going around playing golf in Florida. That's his life.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: And he goes on, takes a nap, does again. The
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: next day. Nixon is his friend. Nixon is down there
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: for like a golf tournament. He goes and he's talking
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to Jackie at the Jackie Gleason golf tournament down in Florida,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and they're, you know, kicking it around for a while,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and Jackie's, oh, I just one thing I'd like to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: see in this life before I dies, proof that they're aliens.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And Nixon's like, you know, Jackie, are I might have
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a little something for you, all right. And so later
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that afternoon, Jackie goes home to take his normal like
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, to to two cocktail nap and uh when
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: he's like you know, kind of roused out of his
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: sleep by the this surprise and they're standing in the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: doorway to his study is Dick Nixon and he's ditched
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: his secret service and it's shown up in his own
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: private card. He goes, Jackie, I want to show you something.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: So then the two of them drive over to an
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Air Force base and I believe it's in Homestead, Florida.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: They drive through the actually they drive up to the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: gate and then this like you know, young kid is
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: sitting there and he's like looking at these clearly civilian
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: car coming up or what looks to be a civilian car,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and then he sees that it's the president driving and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he's like salutes him, right because he's still a soldier.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So then they get onto the base and then Nixon
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: is just bleating. Jackie glees in around this space and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: they take him into these bunkers and then they go
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: downstairs into this basement and he basically shows him this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: uh glass case that the Jackie Gleeson describes looking kind
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of like a coke dispensary, just like, you know, like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a coke bottle machine. Thank you, And he was like, yeah,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: inside the vending machine, they know this glass front and uh,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: they've got these what looks like mangled children, but they're
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: aliens and he's just four and I'll take that one exactly.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Nixon's like, what what do you think, Jackie? And Jackie
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Gleeson is just this is this what I think it is?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And Nixon's like, oh, are you back? But this is
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a national security you can't tell anyone. And Jackie's like,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: You've given me the only thing I've ever wanted. What
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: you know, what what a great friend you are. He's like, Okay,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: well we gotta go, and so then they go and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: he takes him back to his house and he just
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: ditches him at his house and Jackie Gleeson has left
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: there to try to like basically put back together his
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: mind on the fact that everything he's ever thought and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: wanted to believe and that has been shown to him
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't know how to deal with the truth.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: He spends the next two weeks on a bender, trying
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: to like forget what he just saw he broke his brain.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It's like the president this, I mean, this is an
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: amazing I know that like Gleason seems like more of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: a boozer. Then yeah, yeah, that calls to question, right,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: did this actually happens having a good nap, totally hallucinating
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that he's got wet brain at this point and he's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: just how terrifying is that to wake from a nap?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And Richard Nixon is sort of backlit like was that Nixon?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Was that an alien? Did you have a near death
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: experience and just dreamed it was Nixon? Uh? Well, gosh,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you know what, I vote us we're the ones to
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: say arbitrarily, So uh it does. It does strike me though,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: of having all the elements of modern folklore. Right, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: then for first, just words of the wise. Uh, fellow
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: fellow listeners, if you ever wake up and a president
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: of anything, any country is at your front door without security,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: run get out. First of all, I say that part
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: is pretty sassed of the story because it's like, I
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: can't just shake your detail what he did. There's rumors
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: that Nixon this was like his thing is that he
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: used to try because it was it was He's been
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: vice president, so he guess he figured out routines of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: like how to be able to get away. And then
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: apparently Kennedy used his routes to get out of the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: White House from when he was VP. So there's like
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: all these rumors of like, if you wanted to go
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and see your you know, side action, then you had
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to get out of the White House. They weren't doing that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I'll bring it in back then Kennedy had a meth
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: amphetamine fueled bend or at a hotel where he ran
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it through the halls. I know you did. Yeah, you
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: found that this from his doctor feel Good days. Yes, yeah,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I thought that was I've never heard that. We did
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: an episode on it for something they don't want you
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to know, h and dug up that story and it
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: was just the most balkers thing I've ever heard. I
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: can't believe. I mean, at the time, um, there just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't as much reportability for that kind of so there
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't like someone with a camera phone around every corner.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That could never happen today. Uh, and neither could any
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: of these fun Nixon stories because there's no way to
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: confirm or deny that really, And they also, you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: that the press corps back then, they would be kind
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of like on the side of the people in power.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It's not to like Gary Hart that they decided, you
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: know what, we can make more headlines and make careers
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: by screwing these guys, you know, or just Holdingtom accountable,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you know what that part, Yeah, that that would that
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: would be a healthy on era. Right. So this, this
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: speaking of segways uh goes into the importance of rumors
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: because you know, for a long time the reign of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Nixon was based on this idea of this plausible deniability,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: this sort of performative stuff, when really there were much
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: more like real politic and messed up motivations for his
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: calculus behind the scenes. But rumors can be dangerous. Rumors
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: can uh bring even more powerful consequences than the courts
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: of the legal system, right, the court of public opinion
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: can end careers. And this brings us to our second,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: our second exploration for today, for part one of our
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: two part episode A Weird Celebrity Arrest. This one is
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: not as fun. Uh we are going to I'm thinking
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of the ridiculous crime voice here. Uh, We're not going
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: to fall into any of the like. But like the vicarious,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: unnecessarily gory stuff. But we are going to talk about
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a fellow named Roscoe Conkling r Buckle street name Fatty
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: story about a fatty by his consent. Uh, that was
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: his nickname that he went with. That was like, that
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: was part of what his career was based on. And
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Mr Arbuckle had quite a career. Born in eight seven. Uh,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you probably won't see a lot of his films, you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: on TBS or Netflix what have you today, but in
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: his day he was like the silent film comic, the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: actor you would mentioned him along with the h Chaplains.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: He was a mentor of Charlie Chaplin, another famously funny,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: famously horrible person that kind of subbed. Yeah he's not
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: he's not winning Good Boy awards, that's for sure. Uh,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: he's the Harold Lloyd or Harold Ramos for that. A
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: candle to Buster Keaton, who could he actually being the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: one that had like the barn door fall. Yeah, I
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: love that bit because you could killed him. And Buster
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Keaton was actually discovered by Fatty Arbuckle. Like this guy,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: this guy was a kingmaker. In addition to you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: being kind of a like Robert Downey JR. Avengers erat
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: kind of level of fame, right, people, people just knew
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: who he was. And one thing that's strange about the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: deification of celebrity is that it often results in the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: public wanting to see someone that they have held in
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: high regard laid low. Right. Uh, facts be damned. There's something, um,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: there's a driving urge about that, right, especially in secular
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: societies where worship of celebrities replaces the worship of you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: traditional deities. So yeah, sorry, pardon my ted talk here,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: but we here's what happens. Our Buckle was set for
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a long and prestigious, uh and and quite successful career
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: until there was a tragic death, a scandal that is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: sometimes referred to as the first American celebrity scandal. I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I think it really depends on
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: how we're defining celebrity, right. So yeah, so if he's
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: just like a Hollywood celebrity, then maybe you could say that,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: But sometimes that's just kind of a nice headline to
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: grab people. Here's what happens. It's September fifth. Roscoe is
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: just having the day, the worst day. He has literally
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: just gotten second degree burns on his key star. His
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: cars broke down. You know, sometimes you get you get
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a vibe during the early part of your day and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you think this one's a wash, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: So that's that's that's where our boy, Arbuckle is, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: he's got a really busy film schedule. He's a busy
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: dude because he's so successful. He's luminary in American cinema.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And he says, you know what, I'm gonna take a
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: day off. I'm gonna just take some time and the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: kick back. So he gets his friends, a guy named
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Lowell Sherman and a guy named fred fishback weird name,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: but I like the alliteration, and they go to the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: San Francisco hotel and they buy out several rooms and
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they and they have one like two guys are split
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in one room. One guy's got a room to himself,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and then the third room is like this is the party,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: correct housing room, And they invite a bunch of people
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to that party room to well, you know, carousing party. Well,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: we have to introduce two people here. One person is
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Bambina Maude del Monte and another names they had back then.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, man, I feel like I get
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: ripped off. But anyway, Bambina Maud del Mont, remember the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: name in and when you say that name, Baby of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the Mountain, Yeah, yess a band in there on the
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: mountain top to be my wolves. As you know. Someone say,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that's not a bad comparison to a lot of situations
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood, unfortunately. Well uh, anyway, So the second character
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: we have to meet is del Monte's companion, who is
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a mid twenty year old spy tiring actor named Virginia Rap.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And Virginia Rap is partying with these folks and things
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: go wrong. She ends, here's what we know. I'll tell
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: you what is reported, and then we'll tell you what
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: actually happens, folks. So Virginia Rap is taken to the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: hospital several days after this party occurs, and in the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: hospital she dies. She dies specifically from period toonitis, which
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: was caused by a ruptured bladder. This is a medical
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: condition that can occur to many people, especially if you
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: have some chronic uh, some chronic problems in that in
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: that part of the body. The press then is searching
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: for this the age of so called yellow journalism, right,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: so they're trying to figure out what happened to this
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: person who was hanging out with one of the most
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: famous people at the time. Right, it doesn't look good.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Law and order, don't don't do dude, No no, no,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: we got yeah. I think if we do it acapella,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: we don't get sued. Max checked us on that. So,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: so this is this is tragic. Someone has died, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: they've died at a very young age, in a very
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: unpleasant way, and they have died under what seemed to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: be mysterious circumstances. People need answers. So law enforcement goes
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to Bambina Malmant and del Monte says that our buckle
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: has taken this person's life after assaulting her, and the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: police say the police blame it on I kid, you
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: not are buckles. Wait, they blame the ultimate death of
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: this person on this guy's what they see is his
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: overweight body. And he ends up going to trial not once,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: not twice, but three times because the facts don't add up.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Why does he go to trial so many times? I
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: guess you could say he goes to trial four times,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: first in the court of public opinion, second, yeah legally,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: third and fourth legally uh and each one is a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: huge media event. Part of this is powered by William
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Randolph Hurst. You know him, you know him. It's uh
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: he is, you know, the magnate upon whom things like
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Citizen Kane or base. He's chasing profits over people most
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of his life. Uh he yelled at journalism, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: he pretty much spearheads makes that like so profitable. The
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: problem is I always think of Worsan Wells whenever I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: hear his name, which seems so unfortunate. Dorrison Wells. It's
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: just not fair. Yeah, person, Well it wasn't exactly Mr
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: nice guy. Oh no, I'm not saying that, but he
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't and we have to we have to point out
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: to that. Zarin. You you were more familiar than many
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: people with the history of journalism and with the history
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: of of Hearst, because you are a writer for mel magazine.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Correct anim a journalists at least last they told me.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: But but so I'm gonna lean on some of your
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: expertise here because Hearst is thinking of the report again
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: of a real person whose life was tragically cut short.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: He's thinking of it in terms of like, not it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: terrible that someone in their twenties, died so young. He's
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: thinking this is okay, this is a way to sell
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: papers papers. His immedia thought, wow, okay, so there's the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: we don't even have to caveat that. That's just no.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear. I think history will also
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: bear out this truth. I think everybody understands it. As
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a businessman, he would also say this, I don't. I
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: think he would be mad if you said otherwise. Wow.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It's the same reason that Trump thinks he's doing the
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: right thing by like not paying taxes, and it totally
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: with coming out and saying media wise, it leads to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: what we have now. If it bleads, it leads. Yeah, yeah,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: yes we're seeing God, we're seeing quite frankly, if the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: public wasn't hungry for it, they wouldn't do it. Yeah,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: if it didn't sell, So if people were disgusted by
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it and they're buying the papers, and that's another great justification.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: You can say out loud, what the people what they want,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: you know, but it's true. Yeah, so everybody's complicit. And
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: oh man, I mean these are these are excellent points
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and it should be somewhat frightening by how like how
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: directly they apply to two for anybody listening to this
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: far in the future. We're recording in February two. We
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: hope that things are going well in the future, trying
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to keep it positive, you know, put out sur vibes.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: So this is what happens with this is what happens
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: with our buckle. So Hearst is pouring high octane gas
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: onto this bonfire morality groups of the time or responding
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, this is the right thing to do.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: We need to hold these Hollywood elites who are depraved
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: by inherently by nature of their profession. We need to
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: hold them accountable, and we need to do the right thing,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: which is to murder the heck out of this guy.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, why even bother with a trial?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: This is what everybody is talking about around their water
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: coolers there. Uh, they're jazz clubs right now. We're just
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: waiting for me to get into the speakeasither, Like, have
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: you heard about what's going on with Ruscoe Art? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: someone says, fatty bastard. Yeah. The what happens there is
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: that we see something similar to like the armchair sleuthing
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: of social media or read it today. There were there
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: were a lot of folks who were like, well, you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I've read several papers, you know, I've read most of
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the articles on this guy, and I'm pretty sure I
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: got it. But the problem was there were a lot
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: of like the primary the primary source for this story,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: um our Buckle is initially tried for manslaughter. The primary
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: source of this story is Ben being a del Monte,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: mont de Mont, and her story is kind of fluid,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a bit there's a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: bit of a freestyle aspect to it. Sometimes when she's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: talking to law enforcement. She is a close friend of
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: our Buckles and has been for years. Other times she
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: only knows him, uh for for through a couple of
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: like Hollywood party meetings. You know, she doesn't really know
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: its full name, etcetera, etcetera. But importantly, she also had
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: some priors related to extortion and blackmail and was known
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: and this is again just reporting at the time, was
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: known to be involved in uh, involved in sex work
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: in an illicit way. So she would she would be
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: contacted to take people to parties like this and then
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: later perhaps should should it seem advantageous to do so,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: she would uh extort these people? And this was this
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: was proven through those existing prior convictions. Now she working
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: with like tabloid photographers to like run like Hollywood stings?
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Is that what she is like because she con not
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: a con artist, but somebody's basically gonna ran like an
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: extortion scam on these people. Honeypot, honey pop trap? Is that?
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: But is he working with like other like the lesser
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: journalists not of the hearse quality, but those like Look
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: not Look magazine like whatever, the Keyhole magazine and the
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: ones were like much more tabloid e. Now that's an
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: excellent questions here, and I I don't have I don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: have that. I wouldn't be necessarily flummis. I don't know
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: if that's a good word for this. I wouldn't necessarily
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: be astonished were that the case, because this was like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: this was a modus operendiz. So if it were profitable
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: maybe to sell those photographs, then I could absolutely see
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that occurring. Especially you know, I'm not aware of how
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: far along still photography was at that time, but I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: think that technology would maybe make it different definitely. Yeah,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you can find like from like Hollywood, Babylon, they have
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the book Hollywood Babylon, a bunch of those old scandals.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: And the photo photography isn't great, but it's no different
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: than the news photography. You know. You'll you can get
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: photographs from the nineteenth century, so they have the ones
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: of like they're just a little bit more grainy than
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: we're obviously used to. But he doesn't take much to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: be like, that person's naked, that person is on top
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: of them. Okay, yeah, so so in that case, I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: would I would need to check this, but I would
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: not be surprised were Delmont involved in this. There is
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: another piece of evidence I'd like to produce that doesn't
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: make it. It's it is thank you, it is uh.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: A series of telegrams, two telegrams on record that she
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: sent to one to an attorney in San Diego, one
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: to an attorney in Los Angeles. Being telegrams, we could
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: go with a transatlantic voice. We have Roscoe albucle a.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Holy hitch has to make some money out of the stop.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: That's not I added this just because I wasn't. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't there when people did telegrams. I assume you have
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to say, isn't the implication there that these are like
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: new sentences. I didn't understand why that was necessary. It
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: was I think it was basically period. Yeah, and it's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the b B B B. You need to have that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. I guess it's true. It's
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: probably helpful for the people that are translating it on
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the fly. So she sent these telegrams. Two attorneys say not,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you know, we will find justice for this person, not
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: someone committed heinus ax against my friend. But uh, instead
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: we have this, We have this wealthy guy, you know
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: what I mean in the corner. Let's make some let's
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: make some cash, Let's make some scratch. Uh. The hospital
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: that also treated treated rap found that there were no
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: marks of violence on her body, no signs that she
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: had been attacked. The stories quickly fell apart. But this
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: was such a scandal. Again, this is like when people
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: were talking about this the way they talked about television shows,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the way people talked about Lost or Breaking Bad, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: or Game of Thrones preseason eight, and the the the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: thing was, these are people's real lives. You know, a person,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: an innocent person, is dead, but that instead becomes sort
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: of a character in what may as well be a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: serialized story as far as hearst is concerned, because it
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: continually predictably guarantees profits. Uh this you know, our buckles
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: life is getting ruined his his first trial. Uh, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: should say, he turns himself in and he's in jail
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: for three weeks. There's a mug shot about him. There's
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a mug shot of him that makes a way, it's
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: way about the news. He doesn't make public remarks. His
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: lawyers and sisters innocent, and they say, hey, folks, let's
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: not jump to conclusions. Let's figure out what's actually happening.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: But they're saying, no, no, no, no, no, he did it.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I've read several articles you see in the papers. And
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: when he gets charged with band slaughter, ultimately the evidence
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: that like even when the telegrams come out, Uh, the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: prosecutors take him to trial, the newspapers never run our
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Buckles side of the story, which is that he was
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: never even alone with this person, much less uh much
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: less hostile towards them. His reputation is ruined. Even though
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the folks mentioned earlier Charlie Chaplin, great actor, terrible person,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: buster Keaton, Uh legend, I don't know anything bad about
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: him yet, Uh, they came out and they were like, no,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: this is a good dude. Roscoe is not the type
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: of guy to do this. We've known him for a
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: long time. And the prosecutor even gets a even fights
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: back against the doctor who takes Rap to the hospital
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: from the hotel, and she says that our buckle did
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: not try to assaulter or have you know, make some
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: sort of act of violence against her, And the prosecutor
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: in court gets that dismissed as hearsay, I don't know
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: how because the doctor says this, or the doctor says
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the doctor says that Rap you know, like, yeah, she's
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: in the hospital for several days before she expires, but
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: she is you know, um, she is maybe intoxicated, but
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: she's obviously not well. Um. And the doctor on the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: scene says, I asked her, you know, somebody hurt you
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: or harmed you in some way, and she's like no, no, no,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: And it's like did apparently in the hotel, As the
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: doctor relates later and try apparently he asked her specifically
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: about our buckle and she was like no, no, no, no,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: nothing happened. Like she said, he did not try to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: assault her. The prosecutor gets this point dismissed. Our Buckle
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: goes to the stand in his own defense, which people
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: don't usually do. Yeah, the jurors vote for his acquittal.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Prosecution comes back tries him a second time. Jury is deadlocked.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Third trial March of nineteen two. Our Buckle oh ar Buckle. Also,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: by the way, throughout the entire Hearst newspaper thing, throughout
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the entirety of the first two trials, his his defense
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: team is going to him in private and they're saying, hey,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: we found some dirt about rap, we found some dirt
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: about this, this person who died. And our Buckle said, no,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: that's messed up, Like you can't respect him on that. Yeah,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: he was like, she's dead, why would you why would
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you drag her name through the mud like that, especially
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: assassinator character after she's been colled. Yeah, exactly, you know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and uh then I respected as well. But by the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: third trial he said, okay, you can call those character witnesses.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: And the history is a little divided. What happened, like
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: why he did this? Was he increasingly desperate, was he
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: increasingly broke? I mean, he spent seven hundred thousand dollars
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: on on this defense, and they I think that makes
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: it time for an inflation calculator. Yeah, so if the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: max boop, the fantasy max boop. So if we take
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: an inflation calculation at this and we say seven hundred
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars in nineteen two, uh, what would that be?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Seven dollars in? Can we all take guesses? Yes, let's
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: all I guess? All right, Elizabeth, we'd like to guess. Yeah,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: someone else first? Okay, thousand back, then I'll go with
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: three point three million. All right, we've got three point
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: three million on the board. I'll go four point two.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: We've got four point two million on the board. Mr
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Noel Brown, four point three p right, surprise is right,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: like discussing a dinete set called darn it. Oh my gosh. Uh, next, Dave,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: would you care to place day? You're gonna do it
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: to me again, super Dave? Alright, and I'll go eighteen
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: point nine million. Oh wow, Okay, Well we've got to
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: spread I have course some accused. Uh. If we could
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: get a drum roll, seven hundred thousand dollars in nineteen
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: twenty two is worth in eleven million, six hundred and
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: sixteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars superproducers, yes, respect
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: of superproducers. Also you get nothing. You win the glorious
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: no prize, no comic book reference, and then yes, the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: no prize. Uh so you win the no prize backs,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: but you know, give yourself a sound cue bro yo
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: that you have to find and editing prize. Here's a
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: homework assignment for your prize, punishing the honors students. Yes,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: so so maybe that maybe that enormous expenditure made him
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: increasingly desperate. Right. Anyhow, the these people take the stand,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: these character witnesses, and we're not going to spend time
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: victim blade, right, I don't think we should. But they yeah,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: they take the they take the stand, and they also,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: by the way, call into question some of the things
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: that Delmont says. This results in April the twelve, the
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: jury not only a quitting our buckle after three goes
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: around the courtroom, but they just deliberated for about five minutes.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: And I found a right up of this in Smithsonian magazine,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: a great article by Gilbert King, which relates a quotation
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I had not found before, uh where the jury spent
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: four of those five minutes writing an apology to our buckle.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: They didn't even call him fatty anymore. It starts with
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: acquittal is not enough, Roscoe Arbuckle, we feel that a
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: great injustice has been done to him. And then they
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: go on and like um, they go on and explicitly,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: sort of point by point talk about how they couldn't
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: find anything in this this story doesn't make sense. So
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: he is out. However, the court of public opinion is
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: still in session are Buckle. As a result of this,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: of the scandal is done. Zo his banned from appearing
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: on screen. He even changes his name to William be
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Good rich or it's going to be good and richly
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: put on his vision board. He's going to manifest this turnaround.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Clean slate. Elizabeth is painful, No, right, it's like a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: little on the notes that just uh. And so if
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: we we fast forward, we see he's working behind the scenes.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: He still has friends in a Hollywood but his star
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: has his star has shot to the ground, you could say.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: And in June of three he dies of a heart
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: attack in a hotel room. He's forty six. Legend has
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: it that it was the same day he had signed
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: a deal for his comeback feature film. And you know,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: we can't conclusively prove that. But what we can conclude
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: from this story is that the guy himself was falsely
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: accused of of a crime he didn't commit, and in
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: this case, a crime that didn't occur. Um, I don't know.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: You know, we can keep it in, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you guys hear the sirens in the background
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  Speaker 1: from where I'm podcast, Okay, good, good, because I was wondering.
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering if that was just like a segue
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  Speaker 1: from the outside world worst upon us. But I do
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  Speaker 1: have to ask, I do have to ask what what
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  Speaker 1: this story in you all's opinion can tell us. I
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  Speaker 1: think you can tell us some some things that could
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: be misleading about the modern day, you know, like the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: idea of a chord of a public opinion. But honestly,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: this story to me seems like it could be misused
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  Speaker 1: in the modern day. You know. That's to me that
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  Speaker 1: makes it. It makes it something worth remembering, but something
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: worth being aware of because we have seen what about
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  Speaker 1: is M. We've seen victim blaming. We've seen people say like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people make stuff up. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to draw there distinction the victim of this, the person
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  Speaker 1: who died wrapped was not involved in any kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: She she became like our buckle, a character to people
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  Speaker 1: instead of a real person, symbol of some sort, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And I just I would love to hear you all
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on on this story. Whenever you turn a person
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  Speaker 1: into a signifier or a symbol or something that is
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  Speaker 1: not rooted in their humanity and you use them for
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  Speaker 1: your own purposes, we see this a lot in the
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  Speaker 1: crimes we talk about. It's usually the con men, the extortionists,
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  Speaker 1: the scammers. They will be able to read a person
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  Speaker 1: and it's like see what they want. But they often
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: see a person better than the public sees these people
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  Speaker 1: like in a sense, they are able to see their
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  Speaker 1: humanity and see their emotions and appeal to them and
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  Speaker 1: go to their confidence. So these criminals are often more
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  Speaker 1: sensitive to their fellow humans than the crowds and their
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  Speaker 1: response as a mob and the desire to see justice
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  Speaker 1: be done according to your dictates and not actually as
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  Speaker 1: a process. You know what justice should look like because
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  Speaker 1: we have set it up, you know, you how do
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  Speaker 1: we want to look at hundreds of years ago, thousands
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  Speaker 1: of years ago, we decided what we believe the process
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  Speaker 1: of justice looks like, and people don't commit themselves to
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  Speaker 1: that because it takes time and is oftentimes where you
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  Speaker 1: don't know the answer, and people do not like either
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: of those who do not like to wait for what
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  Speaker 1: they want and they do not like to be stuck
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  Speaker 1: in a position where they don't know. So because of that,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: people rushed judgment, which we know about. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: plenty of movies from the last century about exactly how
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: often that is the case. But often on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: I think the part that we're you know, the kind
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  Speaker 1: of focusing on is when you have a female victim
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: and a male perpetrator, and people can focus on that,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: then the truth of the matter is going to be
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  Speaker 1: lost in all of our social dynamics and less so
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  Speaker 1: on their. So we really have a hard time seeing
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: those crimes, in particular because of our views of men
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  Speaker 1: and our views of women. So it makes it really
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  Speaker 1: hard to have an accurate view of In this case
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  Speaker 1: of victim who apparently died from paratonitis and her own
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: last words are dismissed in the court looking for her justice,
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  Speaker 1: and that to me is just really the indictment of
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  Speaker 1: this whole process is her last words what she would
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  Speaker 1: be able to say if this doctor is accurate. And I,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: once again I didn't I didn't read the story. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who this doctor is. But I have to
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  Speaker 1: trust that they were trying to live up to their
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  Speaker 1: code of do no harm and this would definitely be
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  Speaker 1: harmed to their patients. So I have to believe that
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  Speaker 1: they are telling the truth in this instance, where I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: will give them the benefit of the doubt. And if
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  Speaker 1: that is the case, and if I was a juror,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: that's what I would be focusing on. Is this victim
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: in this process? And now we have apparently a second
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: victim of this process because the process becomes unruly because
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: of the demands of the prosecutor, who apparently is trying
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: to do like an appeal to the public and get
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: this victory because the people are paying attention. Whereas would
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: they have done this if this crime was not a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: famous person, would they have put this zeal in this
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: desire to try them four times? So I think it
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: tells us a lot about us and less about the crime.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Well said, very well said, yeah, uh so there's just
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: just for that, Like on that note, I think you've
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: made such a great point. We should point out that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: the prosecutors a guy named Matthew Brady. I didn't bring
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: up all that said. I'm just pointing out, oh, I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: don't think the name is significant. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: shame him from beyond the grave, but that it's not
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Matthew Brady. The I guess the good lawyer like, yeah,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I think, well, no, would that be. At the same time,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I've probably be in two roast against Williams Jennys bron Right,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: the Matthew Brady wasn't that the prosecutor in the Scopes
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: trial against William Jennings Bryan. He's not even that good man,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: He's not even that important. It's Matthew A. Brady. It's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: interesting is when you're talking Zarin about people want to know,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: and you look at the public desire to put these
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: celebrities under a microscope and know all these things. But
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: we can't ever really know. You know. We talk about
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: the crimes, and these are the ones that we just
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: know about. There are so many that don't. We have
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: no idea what's happened. But I keep thinking of rap
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: telling the doctor, no, it wasn't Fatty Arbuckle. But at
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: this point she doesn't think she's going to die. She's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: just in pain in the hospital, and she doesn't have
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of agency in this, and so it's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: probably to her favor no matter what happened to say no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't him, because if she recovers and she's named him,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: then she's going to have to live alive as this victim.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Good point, and that's that will destroy you. Um. But
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: and we don't know people's motivations for what they say.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: We don't know her associates, motivations, we don't know. You
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: know all of these things, but we like to think
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: we know because we've read it or this person has
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: said it. And you know, Ben, as you were saying, well,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I've read it, I've read some articles about this. Well, alright,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: step back. Now you know everything, you don't you know
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: what's been sent to you. That's part of why you
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: have to really think critically about all these things. You
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: can take this information, but asking for critical thought of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: the public isn't heavy lift. What I love about that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: kid Paris and Elizabeth is doubt. I'm picturing a situation
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: where let's say you're the doctor. You're trying to save
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: someone's life, and someone uh, you know, like the someone
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: on the scene says the classic line is there a
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: doctor in the house, and then two two people stand
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: up and one is like, I'm a cardiologist, and the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: other ones like, I watched All the Gray's Anatomy. So
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: maybe pump your brakes right now that the same as
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: you are now different are adjacent? Is it? Is it
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: like in the same extended universe kind of like the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: ridiculous universe or hospital shows kind of potentially occupy that
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: same shared you know. I like that it makes them
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: make a lot more sense that way, because it explains
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: the character actors who are continually going to different hospitals
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: making the rounds. And this, Uh, I mean, I think
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: that is so well said Elizabeth and Zerin and that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: that is the point uh, to take away from uh,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: from a story like this, and these are real people
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: and this is the same society in many ways in
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: which that story occurred. And the President of the United
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: States was moving weight across the border, or the vice
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: president future president not to split hairs, but yet known
• 1:07:29
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• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: legend Louis Armstrong, and then many many other people are
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: actually people and not just necessarily these stories that we encounter,
• 1:07:45
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• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: about Ridiculous Crime. No, I massively enjoyed this. I can't
• 1:07:53
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• 1:07:57
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• 1:08:00
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• 1:08:03
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• 1:08:06
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• 1:08:13
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• 1:08:14
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