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Anxiety Club Insightful Heartfelt And Humorous With Tffany Jenkins And Baron Vaughn · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: your exploration, you guys, you are speaking my street, you
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  Speaker 1: are speaking my fuel. I cannot wait to find out
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  Speaker 1: what your journey is when it comes to the subject
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  Speaker 1: of anxiety, because I see positives, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: we all experience those negatives. What are you into? Hello?
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good?
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  Speaker 1: How are you very well?
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  Speaker 2: What are you asking? What we're into in general? Because
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  Speaker 2: I've got a long list?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, because I mean, that's that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the that's one of the things about anxiety is
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  Speaker 1: that you know we are I always call it the
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  Speaker 1: candy code of plastic bathroom mirror smile. I can tell
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  Speaker 1: when somebody's anxiety is up because I recognize that smile obviously,
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  Speaker 1: because I must live it.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I can spot it too. They say, you can
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  Speaker 2: spot it if you got it. Yeah, I'm into self
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  Speaker 2: improvement and growth right now, trying to figure out what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with my weird brain and how to make
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  Speaker 2: it better so that I can navigate this world like
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  Speaker 2: a normal human person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you say though, navigating the brain, how do
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  Speaker 1: you turn that monkey off? Man? Because I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was awake at three o'clock this morning planning out
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  Speaker 1: something I'm gonna be doing in a week. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have got to be the same way when
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  Speaker 1: you're out there on the road. You know, where am
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  Speaker 1: I at tonight, Baltimore? Oh, my mind's telling me I'm
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  Speaker 1: in Butte, Montana.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's very true for me. There's been many times
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  Speaker 3: where I'm on the road and I'll wake up in
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  Speaker 3: a hotel and be completely discombobulated, like what's going on
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  Speaker 3: and just be like, this is not my bed. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I sound like the beginning of that talking Head sound song.
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  Speaker 3: But this is not my life, this is not my
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  Speaker 3: beautiful wife.
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  Speaker 1: So what led you to this documentary? Because? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because it is? Is it? Because they're finally opening up
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  Speaker 1: the door and my mother can stop saying, son, there
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  Speaker 1: are certain things we just don't talk about. Yeah, Momlue,
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  Speaker 1: So this is one of those things we need to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, Tiffany.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I when Wendy came to me and asked if I
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  Speaker 2: was interested in doing the documentary, without a doubt split second,
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  Speaker 2: I said yes, because it's one of those things that people,
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  Speaker 2: I think don't really grasp how serious it is. And
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  Speaker 2: I think for a long time people would think, oh,
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  Speaker 2: just stop worrying, just calm down, and not realize how
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  Speaker 2: debilitating it actually is. So as soon as I was
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  Speaker 2: asked to be able to put it on film for
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  Speaker 2: people to see what it's actually like, it was a
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  Speaker 2: heck yes from me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, I mean, in reality, don't we
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  Speaker 1: come up with excuses with our anxiety? And I can,
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  Speaker 1: in all honesty, I don't know where the world of
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  Speaker 1: entertainment would be if we did not have our anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: because we really do give a crap about the performers,
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  Speaker 1: and without that anxiety, would we.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, good question. I mean I think that, Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there are plenty of people in the arts. I don't
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  Speaker 3: personally know any that don't have anxiety, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's a requirement. But I do think that it's
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. It is a way that
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  Speaker 3: we tell stories. I think that anxiety is like proof
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  Speaker 3: of the power of storytelling, because what is anxiety other
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  Speaker 3: than being stuck in a certain narrative You know that
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  Speaker 3: you either are you can't let go of, or that
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  Speaker 3: kind of runs your life sometimes, but it has power
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  Speaker 3: over you. And I think that if you can figure
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  Speaker 3: out a way to kind of pluck that out of
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  Speaker 3: you and put it on the page, it always turns
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  Speaker 3: into a compelling story that people, you know, not surprisingly,
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  Speaker 3: are very interested in.
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  Speaker 1: So then when you guys were invited to this project,
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  Speaker 1: which once again I think is the most amazing thing
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  Speaker 1: out there because it's creating a conversation, there's always the
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  Speaker 1: opposite side of the production. I call it post production blues.
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  Speaker 1: When you step off that stage. That is still one
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  Speaker 1: of the most unspoken journeys that a lot of creative
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  Speaker 1: people go through, and all of a sudden we all
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  Speaker 1: feel a loneleess.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, I mean I feel that way, you know when
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  Speaker 3: I get off stage. Sure, yes, you know, especially if
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  Speaker 3: I'm on the road and I'm going back to an
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  Speaker 3: empty little hotel, you know, under an overpass after making
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  Speaker 3: people laugh for hours. But this particular documentary, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like because our director, Wendy Lobul was so kind and
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  Speaker 3: so attentive to our needs and and really didn't make
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  Speaker 3: it feel like it was the biggest, the biggest deal ever.
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  Speaker 3: You know, she was really really good at comforting us,
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  Speaker 3: I think, and just being a really cool, calm presence.
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  Speaker 3: I think that helped a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm sorry, continue please, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, me just jumping in saying stuff anytime
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  Speaker 2: there's a window. I was gonna say also that Wendy
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  Speaker 2: did an amazing job. I don't have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: experience being in documentary films, but she made sure we
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  Speaker 2: were comfortable every single step of the way. And you
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  Speaker 2: could tell she really prioritized our mental health over a
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  Speaker 2: scene or a juicy moment, and that made me feel
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  Speaker 2: really safe throughout filming.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you just brought up something there, Tiffany,
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  Speaker 1: in the way of when it's because I've always wondered
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  Speaker 1: that when it comes to comedians as well as actors,
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  Speaker 1: when you jump into that role, what happens if you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to come out Oh interesting?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you have to have a sort
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  Speaker 3: of you know, a cool down period. It's you know,
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  Speaker 3: being able to transition for me is something that I'm
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  Speaker 3: realizing is very important, and so yeah, I definitely need
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  Speaker 3: that cool off period. A lot of the times. It's
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  Speaker 3: quiet time. It's alone time, just being able to like
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  Speaker 3: be still and not talk to kind of like shut
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  Speaker 3: down the engine, if you will, and let all the
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  Speaker 3: different parts creak into place so I can have some stillness.
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  Speaker 3: That always helps me sort of get away from being on,
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  Speaker 3: if you know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean the thing about it is, though,
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  Speaker 1: is that it's almost like it's treated like a disease,
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  Speaker 1: and yet the world needs the laughter. And I've always
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  Speaker 1: thought that I can't figure out why the comedians are
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  Speaker 1: not up there on Capitol Hill promoting to Congress to
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  Speaker 1: give us a reason to get another tax right off
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  Speaker 1: if we go see the comedians, because you are doing
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  Speaker 1: more for us medicinally than anything that's on this planet.
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  Speaker 3: Uh oh, that's an interesting point. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: that sometimes some politicians can be a little afraid of
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  Speaker 3: what we have to say because because we're more interested
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  Speaker 3: in the truth, you know, sometimes we're more interested in
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  Speaker 3: the truth than getting votes.
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  Speaker 1: So do you guys live in that rule or underneath
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  Speaker 1: that umbrella that we are guilty of writing a story
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  Speaker 1: before it happens, and therefore we believe it like clickbait.
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid I don't understand good question.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, when we do have the high anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: we sit there and say, well, if I do this
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  Speaker 1: and this and this and this, and all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden this happens, what am I going to do for
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  Speaker 1: the backup? How am I going to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: I have this and I have the backup equipment for
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  Speaker 1: that equipment? And what happens if the microphone doesn't work?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm writing a story before it even happens.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that kind of story. Yes, that's me every day
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  Speaker 2: all day.
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  Speaker 1: God. Oh my god, you too? Oh yes, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I live off that stuff, you know. And then that's
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I write, So I have something to
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  Speaker 1: write about. What's got you upset today? There, mister Arrow?
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, let's talk about that right now. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: My mom used to tell me all the time, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: stop meeting your problems halfway. We for them to come
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  Speaker 2: all the way to you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh God, And that helps.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll say for me as well, like sometimes learning
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  Speaker 3: that there is a term, if you will, for a
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  Speaker 3: phenomenon that I exist that I'm existing through, for instance, catastrophizing.
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  Speaker 3: M that sounds like what you're talking about right now,
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  Speaker 3: And just knowing that there's a word for it sometimes
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  Speaker 3: just in and of itself makes me go, oh, I'm catastrophizing.
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  Speaker 3: I can kind of notice it, or I could figure
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  Speaker 3: out what ways there are to deal with it when
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  Speaker 3: I look it up, or ask other people about, like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: how do you deal with catastrophizing?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, Please do not move. There's more with Baron
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  Speaker 1: and Tiffany coming up next. The name of the documentary
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  Speaker 1: Anxiety Club. It's hosted by Tiffany Jenkins and Baron Vaughn
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  Speaker 1: and features a lot of people that have made you laugh.
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  Speaker 1: What did you guys do in order to get used
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  Speaker 1: to that live audience? Because even Carly Simon did not
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  Speaker 1: like doing a live show. I went to a grocery
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  Speaker 1: store and got a frickin' part time job because I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to be in front of people and learn
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  Speaker 1: how to talk with people. What have you guys done
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  Speaker 1: to create that connection?
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I want to say. I Baron does a
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  Speaker 2: very different type of comedy that I than I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do skit comedy. So I've done theater tours and
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  Speaker 2: you know, filled theaters, but people who are buying tickets
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  Speaker 2: like me already, Baron is walking in cold and trying
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  Speaker 2: to win people over, and that makes me want to well,
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  Speaker 2: I could never I can't do. I can't even fathom
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  Speaker 2: doing the type of comedy that Baron does. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: so intrigued by to hear what his answer is.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, I do the type of comedy where I
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  Speaker 3: don't have fans. I have to convince people every single time.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Oh my god, because I don't know how you
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  Speaker 1: guys go out and do the meet and greet after
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  Speaker 1: a show, because I guess if I came off that stage,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be going really really, is that really the best
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  Speaker 1: part of the night. That's not what I felt. Are
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  Speaker 1: you sure that was your favorite joke of the night?
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  Speaker 1: Come on now, I mean it's like you want to
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  Speaker 1: give them the truth, but you got to put on
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  Speaker 1: that smile.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and you have to trust that sometime people are
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  Speaker 4: they're speaking from their own experience. You have to trust,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that getting that feedback helps me trust
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  Speaker 4: that what I'm doing actually works has some sort of
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  Speaker 4: import But I also want to say that I think
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about, and this is a great thing about
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  Speaker 4: comedy in general, is it is exposure therapy.
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  Speaker 3: It is it is a way to get comfortable in
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  Speaker 3: front of people. And even what you were saying about
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  Speaker 3: going to work at a grocery store, you kind of
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  Speaker 3: engaged in a type of exposure therapy. Let me just
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  Speaker 3: do this so I can get some practice just being
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  Speaker 3: in front of people talking to strangers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you still have to go through transitions too, don't you, Tiffany,
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  Speaker 1: Because I mean even as a skit actress, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: those words might be right there and you've practiced them
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  Speaker 1: a million times, you still there's still those dull moments
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  Speaker 1: where you can't explain them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm anxious. Listen, if I'm going to step
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  Speaker 2: out the front door, I'm anxious. If we're going to
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  Speaker 2: the grocery store, I'm anxious. If I'm making a video,
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  Speaker 2: I'm anxious pretty much. If the wind is blowing, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to overthink it until the extent of the earth
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  Speaker 2: or until somebody around me is like, where are you
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  Speaker 2: come back here? Look at your feet? This is where
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  Speaker 2: you are.
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  Speaker 1: So you get basically, you've got to live in the
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  Speaker 1: presence of now. Even though that you've got you know,
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  Speaker 1: even even with a comedian, I mean, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: have the formatics of the in the layout of the show,
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  Speaker 1: you still have to be present, don't you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you have to be present. And it's hard because
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  Speaker 2: in my mind, like when I would be on stage,
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  Speaker 2: I would be trying to remember my lines and my jokes,
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  Speaker 2: and all the while there's this voice in the back
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  Speaker 2: of my head that's like, hey, you suck and you're fat,
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  Speaker 2: and you look dumb and those pants and everybody hates you.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was so that voice is always there
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  Speaker 2: for me. And once I get a laugh out of
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  Speaker 2: the crowd, Like, once I get that first laugh, I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine, and it relaxes me a little bit. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: they're all right.
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  Speaker 1: Well for the two of you, do you do you
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  Speaker 1: play off the same rule that Jerry Lewis used to
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  Speaker 1: He says, it's not about the front row, it's about
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  Speaker 1: the back row. And if I'm not projecting correctly, then
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  Speaker 1: my anxiety is through the roof.
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  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I mean that's a little insight of Jerry
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  Speaker 3: Lewis's anxiety. But I'll say for myself that it's a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of both. You know, I am looking at
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  Speaker 3: the front row because if I can see them, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if they're well lit, then they're the first you know,
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  Speaker 3: sort of they're the first feedback I'm getting maybe about
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  Speaker 3: how I'm doing. But then I kind of look for
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  Speaker 3: the laughs the entire night, you know, like there'll be
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  Speaker 3: people in the middle of people in the back that
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  Speaker 3: are laughing, sometimes better sometimes in places where people in
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  Speaker 3: the front aren't. And sometimes people in the front they're
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  Speaker 3: just self conscious that they're there, you know, that they
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  Speaker 3: can be seen and that I'm looking right in their eyes,
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes that makes them a little anxious, and then
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  Speaker 3: they're not as laughing because they're like, oh, he's looking
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  Speaker 3: at me, Like what's going on? Am I the judge
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  Speaker 3: right right now? Am I the gauge about whether or
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  Speaker 3: not this is so they can suck into their own heads.
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  Speaker 3: So I try to kind of, you know, not give
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  Speaker 3: it to them too much, but let them come to me.
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  Speaker 1: The documentary we're talking about is called Anxiety Club. Are
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  Speaker 1: you going to cover the area of when those of
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  Speaker 1: us creative people are filled with anxiety. I think all
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  Speaker 1: people do this. You have the opposite personality too. On
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  Speaker 1: the other shoulder, Give it to me. I'll jump off
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  Speaker 1: the cliff. I'll do whatever you need me to do
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  Speaker 1: because I know I can do it. So it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like you fear this, but oh my god, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: take this on.
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  Speaker 2: I have historically found that the coolest stuff happens like
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  Speaker 2: right outside of my comfort zone. And I know it
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  Speaker 2: sounds so cheesy, but every time I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna be sick and my heart's gonna explode out of
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  Speaker 2: my chest because I'm getting ready to do something huge,
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  Speaker 2: the after is so incredible that I tell myself when
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  Speaker 2: I am feeling that panic before going out on stage
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  Speaker 2: or before going on the news or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: it's because I'm getting ready to do something really amazing.
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  Speaker 2: And so I tricked my mind because excited and nervous
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  Speaker 2: are kind of the same thing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And for both of you, I mean, I mean and baron.
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  Speaker 1: Especially when you've got that one time moment inside that
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  Speaker 1: green room before you hit that stage. Do you clear
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  Speaker 1: the room or do you get let clowns in there?
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  Speaker 1: Like me? Where I just sit there and we have
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  Speaker 1: a conversation about, Hey, you know what's going on tonight.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the everyday talk. There's a lot of one
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  Speaker 1: comedians that will let me talk to them about the
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  Speaker 1: everyday world so they don't have to deal with the
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  Speaker 1: world that they're about ready to go create.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm a little bit more in that vein. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I like to have conversations.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing about the green room is I really
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  Speaker 3: love other comedians.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, me too.
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  Speaker 3: So it's great to just connect with people. And it's
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  Speaker 3: a reminder to be myself when I'm about to go
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  Speaker 3: on stage and to relax when I'm about to go
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  Speaker 3: on stage as well, because you know, off of something
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  Speaker 3: that you were saying a little earlier. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: anxiety can be a thief of the present moment, Like
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  Speaker 3: the hardest thing to do is to be present and
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  Speaker 3: anxiety one a teacher, old teacher used to say that
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  Speaker 3: anxiety is it's worrying about things that have yet to happen, right,
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  Speaker 3: It's like an obsession or fixation with the future, with possibility.
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  Speaker 3: But if you just let that go, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: try to be in the moment, Like that's the thing
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  Speaker 3: that will help you with your anxiety is to not project,
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  Speaker 3: is to not stress, but try to work on being
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  Speaker 3: in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: And kudos to your director for putting one of the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: most authentic anxiety driven people inside the documentary, Mark Maron,
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  Speaker 1: because he was in my studio. We talked about that openly.
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  Speaker 1: He always talked about that openly. And it's like, just
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  Speaker 1: to see you guys doing this is so special and
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  Speaker 1: to me, it's drawing as closer into your worlds now
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  Speaker 1: so that we have a better understanding that you know,
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  Speaker 1: come on, guys, it's not always about getting high on
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  Speaker 1: a laugh, it's about getting high on life.
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm, Yes, I like that. I like that, Tiffany, anything
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: you want to say that on.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: That one, I too like that as well.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Also, what did you learn about yourself doing this? And boy,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I would love to see what ended up on that
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: cutting room floor, because there had to have been some
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: sensors where they go, man, that's a good idea, but
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: we just didn't make it there.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: M Oh my goodness. I learned so much made it
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: didn't make it in the film. By the way, I
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: would like to say, I did so many more exposures
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: than nobody even knows about. So I would like to
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: get credit for those two because it was really hard.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: But I learned that I am actually way more messed
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: up than I realized, and all of the things that
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: had been so normal to me up until that point,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: people were looking at me like, hey, you do know
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: that most people don't feel that way, right, Like you
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: do know that it's not normal to carry your kids
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: around in a backpack. They're ten years old. You have
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: to let them go. And so I was able to
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: really get a grip on reality through doing this film
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: and realize what is normal and what is not normal
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: quote unquote as far as expectations for how to navigate
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: the world, what about you, Baron?
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what I really appreciate is the recognition
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: of what an anxiety looks like, right, and how even
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: though it's it's a similar thing, it's very different for
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: each person, like it manifests differently, So being able to
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: see the specific ways that it shows up in Tiffany's
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: life or Mark Maren, Mark Norman, Joe list A, Parna
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: n Cherla, you know, Ava Victor, all the different people
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: that are featured in the in the documentary, and just
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: kind of even though that their way is different than
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: my way, I still recognize it. And so I think
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: that that is a big That was a big thing
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: for me to see. But I also think that that's
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing that most people who see the doc
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: are responding to are feeling. They feel the recognition, they
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: feel like, oh wait a minute, I see myself in
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: these people.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Wow. You guys have got to come back to this
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: show anytime in the future. The door is always going
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: to be open for you.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Appreciate that. Yeah, and I will probably take you up
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: on that, so don't be surprised.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: All right, man, you guys be brilliant today. Okay, thank you,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: thank you.