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Chief Joe Morris 9/11 Story (Part 2) | Leading the Recovery at Ground-Zero · Heroes Behind the Badge

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Paul Boomer: Previously on Heroes Behind the Badge, chief Joe Morris shared his
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firsthand account of 9/11 mobilizing from LaGuardia, arriving at ground zero and
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surviving the collapse of the South Tower.
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By the end of that morning with the superintendent and other
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chiefs lost inside the towers.
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Joe found himself the senior surviving officer, designated to command the
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Port Authority police response.
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In part two, Joe continues his story.
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We'll hear how he led through the recovery operation, the proudest and most tragic
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moments of his career, and how he helped rebuild both a department and the lives
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of the men and women who served under him.
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Craig Floyd: So at 11:30 AM.
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after the ta, this is a couple hours now after the towers have collapsed, chaos
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still, ongoing at the site, obviously.
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What were the first actions you took?
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that's a, great responsibility at a time of chaos at, time of tragedy.
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what, what did, were you thinking?
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What did you do?
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Joe Morris: when I got after the first, South Tower came down and getting back.
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I thought of words from 1993 because I responded with Chief Knox, who was the
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chief operations officer at the time, and I said to him, chief, what do you do now?
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And he said, Joe, you gotta look at this like it's a tidal wave.
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Our job is to survive and to bring order to chaos.
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And that's, it's getting, pushing, myself off the floor, the bus.
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That's what was in my mind.
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Order to chaos.
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So the first thing is to get who we had left, who was coming out of the
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dust, where to go, and we settled.
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We went a further couple blocks north after the second tower.
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Because you had the, again, to get people together.
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We met at the, Manhattan Borough Community College was located there.
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They had a small auditorium where Port all Port Authority people came in.
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It was loud, it was cops and people from all over.
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And at that point I raised my voice and I said, whoa, enough.
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Sit down.
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We gotta get together here.
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And what I told them to do, break up aviation tunnels and bridges.
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Civilian, from the financial break into your groups because
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we gotta get, get this in order.
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So that was the first.
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Then with the police, I went out on the street, I saw Chief Hall and
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Bob Belfi inspector, and I said, we're gonna move up to the, the, the,
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college's gymnasium because it was open.
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He actually had doctors there and nurses setting up.
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But we went in and I, it was a great location because it had seating.
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It was out, it was parking and it had bathrooms and water and everything
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we needed so that, and it was a central place we could get people in.
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So you are talking to about one o'clock people.
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We finally gathered maybe 300 cops when the buildings came down.
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What Authority?
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Police, and the response had 400 police officers down there.
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I could think so we had.
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disappearing.
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So I, we started, then again, you asked why I had the detective
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sergeant with me, Tony Fitzgerald.
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I said, Tony, get your detectives who come here and I want you to
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go get somebody over the morgue.
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And somebody, I had heard that the city had set up a command post up here, 92.
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So we sent somebody up there.
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I sent the detective over to,
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the New York Police.
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Headquarters they had set up, they have on their floor.
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They had a command post.
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Actually at one point before 1130.
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I actually drove over there with two, two detectives and put a detective over
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there to see what was going on, because I knew we needed a presence there.
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So we had a presence there.
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Then I drove back.
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That's when I, you talk about things.
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I went to get my car where I had parked it.
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My car literally was incinerated.
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The only thing left was the steel.
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Even the rubber tires were burned off of it.
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Just the steel, no paint That, that caught my attention, I guess so because, so that,
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that's, the things that you come back.
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So I went back to the, gymnasium and that, that's when 1130 I was designated,
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so I started breaking down the cops.
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I told them.
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The only, get me all the officers here that had emergency
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service, trained, qualified.
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Of course we had some trucks, so we got them together and in my
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mind, those were the only officers that were gonna go down there.
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It was just you.
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You just couldn't send cops, the way they were dressed, it was
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just smoke and everything else.
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Plus, you have to remember, building seven was still up.
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Burning was just north of the complex.
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The city, when they put their er, they made their, OEM offices there.
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They put a 500 gallon tank of diesel in the building.
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Oh.
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And that caught fire.
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And that building was going on, and you couldn't get close because we knew
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it was gonna collapse and it collapsed at five 30 at night, came down on it.
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So you had all kinds of things like that.
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Bill Erfurth: Joe, you were at the, at your CP at your command post there
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at the university, and then as days passed along, did you incorporate a
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multi-jurisdictional command post where you all centralized together and, worked
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in unison, or did you still just have
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Joe Morris: no.
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What happened late that afternoon or in the afternoon?
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Again, this the city, OEM and actually the fire department had
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the jurisdiction of leadership for all of this because of fire.
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So that big tent was set up at the, and West Street, big 10 at a big
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tent, and that was a command center.
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on the eastern side was Broadway, was the border.
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It went up, the Canal Street was the northern border.
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The Hudson River was the west border, and I believe, I'm trying to think,
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the street of the South, it was three or four, four blocks south of that.
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That was the zone.
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Nobody could come in.
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The National Guard was designated by the governor.
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the fire department,
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was, the lead for rescue recovery and to, create it.
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It wasn't that first day, but going towards the second
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or third day because of the.
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There's only so
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much you could do with hands and pails.
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They had to get heavy
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Joe Morris: equipment in.
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Bill Erfurth: I remember that w when I was working that, a number of people
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from my department went there, as did so many others, and I was just curious
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how that was coordinated as a central command as far as where they could
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go or who they were assigned with or what their daily functions would be.
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Joe Morris: They really hooked up with a department, NYPD or us.
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or, the fire department.
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And that's why like we had New, Jersey State Police wanted to volunteer.
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We, we, gave them cover that only lasted for maybe two weeks, right?
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Then we said, thank you very much, but it's time for our crews to do right.
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So that even that day going forward, I, I had my pick of who I wanted
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the lieutenants to work for me.
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The sergeants in ESU, in the ESU, like I say, ESU, were the only ones I let down.
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That first day, I actually sent cops home around four o'clock, four 30.
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I had them sit on the bleachers and I told 'em, look, you wanna go there to work?
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I'm not gonna allow it.
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I want you to go back to the com, go, back to the commands, go home and get sleep.
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Because you're gonna be working a lot of overtime in the months to come.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Bill Erfurth: How many days, How many days after, after 9/11
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before you actually went home?
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Joe Morris: I could, I, I went home that night around, I, at, I left there
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around I guess nine o'clock at night.
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I went over to the command center over at Journal Square TransPortation Center.
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I went home.
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And again, I, I never called home.
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I, always told my wife, bad news travels fast.
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I got home around, I guess quarter to 12 and my sons were there and,
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about three or, both of them had graduated college, one of my older.
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So there were guys there in their early twenties that they grew up with.
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That was, wonder, whatcha doing?
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I went home, I woke up at, 3 30, 4 o'clock, and I went back to work five
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o'clock in the morning going command post.
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So part of the decisions we made with Tom Farrow was the staffing.
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What we did was, again, knowing, knowing the contract, it was deemed
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an emergency ordered overtime so that there was no days off.
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You work 12.
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Everyone's gonna work a 12 hour tour, at your normal tour and four hours
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overtime and you are your days off.
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You were working 12 hour tours, your vacations, you came in work,
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you got paid, but you worked.
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That's how we covered that Lasted and no days off, right?
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No days off.
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Bill Erfurth: So I wanna, I want to ask you, because it's, it, I had a similar
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experience in 1993 when Hurricane Andrew, struck South Miami Dade County,
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and at that time in this nation, it was the worst natural disaster in
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the history of the United States.
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And it was the same kind of thing.
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We went on to Alpha Bravo shifts.
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I, we, worked.
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18 hour days for six months straight.
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But there's always that aha oh shit moment.
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And that was what I was getting at when I asked you about when you first went home.
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more so in, I guess digging in more specifically is when you had your
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first moment of, just quietness your me first, me moment where you could sit
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and reflect on this and say, holy shit.
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How this just changed not only so many people's lives and so many people
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perished, but how it changed you?
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Joe Morris: To be quite honest with you, it was probably the Friday morning
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following it going to work because you were down there, the smells and
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the debris, you can't even describe the how gruesome it was, but just the
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carnage of people and property persons.
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And, the Thursday the weather wasn't great and Friday we had the
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president coming and I literally, on the way in driving, I was stopped.
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And I remember I stopped at a light when you get off Route three to
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go towards the Holland Tunnel on.
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the, road, there was a light there and I said, God, how
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am I gonna get through this?
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And then I thought of my dad who did 32 months overseas in North Africa, Sicily,
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D-Day Cherbourg, the Battle of the Bulge.
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I said, if he's gonna do it, he watch over me.
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That was the first time it really hit me.
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Otherwise, it was business to do.
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I had things to do.
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I couldn't ref, I didn't have time to reflect on that kind of stuff.
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Bill Erfurth: Yeah.
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So what was, your most proud moment and then your most tragic moment?
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Joe Morris: When we finished, when the job was done, that was my most proud moment.
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The closing ceremony, actually, I have a picture on the wall over me.
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I'm standing with Joe Esposito, the chief of NYPD, chief of the
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department, and Tom Purtell, who was chief of their, ESU together there.
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And that was the proudest just before the closing ceremony there,
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because what we achieved with them,
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Craig Floyd: how long ago was that, Joe, after the attacks?
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Joe Morris: That was the closing was in May, may 20.
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May the attacks September, the closing in May.
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Wow.
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That was the proudest.
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The d the day that really affected me the most is the lieutenants that I picked.
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And the other two key thing that I did was that I took two of the most
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hardheaded lieutenants that I knew that, you had tr they wouldn't,
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they were independent and but I knew that would represent the PAPD’s.
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Billy Keegan worked midnights at the tent.
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John Ryan, who he, I could tell you, he, he is one big, I hate to,
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ballbuster and I put him there because I knew he was gonna do it right.
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and I told them, look, I'm not gonna be making a lot of decisions here.
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Here's what I want our department to do.
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And they understood me for having worked me.
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I'm not gonna be o over everything.
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You make the decisions and you come back and if I don't like it, I'll let you know.
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But that was the key decisions though.
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Two, those two people because we didn't get short change in representation
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because there in the first weeks there, the fire department, you needed to
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get a pass to go and I said passed to get in and then so that way NYPD and
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they, it was butting heads, believe me.
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The Port Authority I always thought was like Switzerland.
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We would, get the between them and try to get the best deal
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outta it most of the time.
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So that's the, that, that's the kind of stuff there.
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The most tragic Craig was at, Saturday morning in February, following
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February, where the debris got down to almost the basement and it was
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the, stairway that we last placed.
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Jimmy Romito and Captain Kathy Mazza.
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And it was Officer Walter Lesczynski was one of the police officers and
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they were rescuing a woman when it collapsed and we found their bodies.
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So I actually, I came in, it was early in the morning, I came in to take part,
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taking them out and, the only way we represent identified Romito it was
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by teeth in the stomach and his name from his utility shirt that he had on.
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That's the way it was.
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Two two.
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You about,
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captain Mazza was one of them, as was Officer Huczko.
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We didn't find out till we got the bodies up to the fire department at the top that
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their bo, they thought it was one body, their bodies were entwined, the ribs.
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Okay.
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that's the kind of stuff you are finding and what, was, I can never say enough
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about cops that worked there, the fire department and, all the construction
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workers, what they had to put up, what they put up with and what they saw.
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My, my youngest guy ended up working for Tully down airs again,
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I was blessed that my, my godson, I hadn't seen him four or five years.
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He was the, job boss for Tully and the whole site was cut into four quadrants.
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So he had one quadrant with Tully.
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My son ended up working for him and he stayed in construction to this day.
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But Ed, and we had it in, we never told anybody.
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We connected so that if we needed to get something in or quicken them, it worked.
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So connect.
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You talk about connections.
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I.
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Craig Floyd: I remember, the story about Kathy Maza.
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She was the head of the police academy there for the Port Authority,
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a captain when she perished.
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And I remember the story, the woman you mentioned that she was helping get
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out of the tower, basically she knew the tower was about to collapse and
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she knew that she was about to die.
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And she ordered her other officers who were with her at the time,
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trying to assist this woman who was incapable of walking on her own.
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She ordered them out of the building so that they could spare their own lives,
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but she knew that she was gonna remain with this woman till the end, and she
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knew the end was probably, coming soon.
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And, she would probably die along with the woman who couldn't get out.
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quite a story.
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one heroism.
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It.
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Unbelievable.
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help me understand, Joe.
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I know we're nearing the end and we gotta wrap this up, but, there's
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one thing that always, I wondered, and that is when did it go from a.
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Rescue effort to a recovery effort.
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we moved along, but at some point you must have thought, okay, there's
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still people that we can rescue.
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Maybe these officers who were missing initially.
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Maybe they're not dead.
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Maybe we can recover them and, rescue them before, the end.
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when, did all that change?
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'cause I was there a week after the attacks and as I understood
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it, then there was still hope that maybe you would find some, people
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that were still alive in the rubble.
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Joe Morris: Realistically, that, following Saturday in my own mind, it was, just
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because of what you were finding.
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You weren't finding whole bodies, the people that were alive.
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We had the, the two cops rescued the, the next morning and, John McLaughlin.
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Is that right?
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Correct.
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You had a gentleman that came out at eight o'clock and it was a
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Marine that went down so that you.
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What you were, we were finding were pieces of bodies.
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that first day, like we found, one of our officers, Howard, he got hit
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in the head with a falling while he was at a command post with the fire
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department with Daniel Nigro, the Chief of the fire department, he was
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with them when they, it got hit with debris when the South Tower came down.
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And I had seen them, maybe they were about 12 yards west of me.
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I was, they were in the, The southbound lanes of West Street, and
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I was in the north, the northbound lane I saw, and I turned, that's
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from the South Tower debris.
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What, I, what protected me that from the South Tower was the bridge.
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it stopped the debris from going further north.
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That's what I.
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Bill Erfurth: Oh, and I think that, you should be absolutely credited.
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I'm sure that this has come up before that you made the right choice and
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the right decision, and that you had the foreknowledge to pick that spot,
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knowing that would be the safest place.
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Joe Morris: that's probably that I look back, Greg.
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That's probably the best decision I made that when I first got there.
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Just myself and SPI would go, and I told them, don't go any place because,
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you would've talked, you talk another 40 cops or 30 cops when I look back.
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Bill Erfurth: you could have,
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Joe Morris: you know, that was probably, you know what I exercise again.
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I learned from working with, my job again, it, you should go off the ranks.
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It's command and control.
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I'm, it's not my job.
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the ones that got before me, it was their job to go rescue people.
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I could tell by what was there, there was no people for me to rescue.
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It was all, people, that's their job.
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and that was subconscious.
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That, but that's, probably the best decision I made was not letting them go.
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And, like I said, it, changed the way police or anybody.
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You gotta create, you gotta send people in to be like the,
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miners send the birds in to die.
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Bill Erfurth: Question here.
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we all know, those of us that were working or alive at, that time of 9/11,
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we know how it affected the country.
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We know how it affected New York.
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We know how it affected multiple families and people and whatnot.
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How did it affect you?
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How was, how did your life change from 9/10 to 9/11?
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Joe Morris: So there's one thing also that was imPortant that afternoon,
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and they showed up on their own.
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You had people that come in for psychological cops.
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The cops, they came and I made every cop and even myself sit down and talk
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with this.
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And we developed a program, again, very close with the Port Authority, risk
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management, and medical department.
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People in and we created a program so that helped.
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the other motion, there was one of my neighbors who's one cops, the cop,
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he's a lieutenant in Glen Ridge, had told me that the Oklahoma City 19
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rescue workers committed suicide.
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And I made up what?
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that's not gonna happen.
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So that the Port Authority, that's another thing, There's a lot of things, but we
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in instituted a program and when we were closing down, all the commands during
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that whole period, were seeing people, we had daily people going and talking
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through psychological and direct, and at the end of the operations, down at the
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site, in October, we also did, closed out.
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We didn't let.
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Any cop come.
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We had special, the guys, we picked who we wanted.
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There's 75, a hundred cops that worked there at arrest from October till we
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closed down in May because the lieutenants picked them, they said they're ready.
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So we had debriefing that took place, with, the cops.
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The cops with Jim Reese from the FBI, who we met.
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When I met before that, he came to give court Authority high command.
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Talking about retirement in August of 2000.
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But we did that program and I could say great pride after all of this.
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One Port Authority police officer committed suicide since that day and had
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hurt suicide, had nothing to do with 9/11.
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So that, that's something with time I'm proud of.
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Absolutely.
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we've lost people with diseases and stuff there.
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Not one person has committed suicide.
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Bill Erfurth: Yeah, that's an amazing achievement right there.
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Craig Floyd: So I'm just curious, what was that counseling that you provided?
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Was that mandatory or was it voluntary?
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Joe Morris: No, mandatory.
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Out of the commands.
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That program was mandatory to go to, actually it was, conducted at, two
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days at Ano, at the Marriott Hotels.
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We fed them and the, after first, the first day you had, a dinner,
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they can invite their wives, or partners would come for the dinner.
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And the next day, part of the counseling involved them also
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so that it was, planned out.
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And again, Port Authority put out the monies and everything needed.
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Again, working with our risk management people thought we had
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the right breathing of gears.
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The both right masks they brought for us, we were, whatever they could do for us.
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Medical and risk management.
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Got the equipment, Port Authority did what they had to do to take care.
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Craig Floyd: Joe, you lost 37 officers on 9/11.
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you had, many months long, recovery effort.
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many of your officers at Ground zero, some of whom unfortunately have died
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of diseases related to their work at ground zero and breathing in the
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toxins during that difficult time.
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I'm just curious, the department.
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Today is thriving.
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I, think there's great pride in the fact that you are working for the
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Port Authority Police Department of New York and New Jersey.
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you're following in the footsteps of those who died on 9/11.
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But what, in those months after 9/11, what was the wellbeing of your officers?
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Was that the toughest challenge, or how would you describe the
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challenges, the toughest challenge you faced to build, rebuild this
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department after such a tragedy?
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Joe Morris: It again, Port Authority's an, unique where I
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had to talk to the, again, 9/11.
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After 9/11 when I became the chief.
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Authority, high executives from the same police area they had, they
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lost their officers so that the interrelationship that I had wasn't
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just business, but it was personal.
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We knew each other so that we worked to get everything done.
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again, we had an existing list of 7,000 people on it and I needed
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to rush people through it, but it was an old list, five years.
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We identified who were active police officers and we put
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'em in the first class.
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We, had, from a night or 23, week course or 26, we went down to 10
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for active police officer and we worked with the union because even
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if you are on that list to get on, we had, you had seniority rights.
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So we worked with the unions GU for the, funds.
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So you had that working.
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So that when we needed the classes, I had, the medical, who was there to do
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the testing for the, human resources to do all the administrative work and the
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acade, the, the, Fairleigh Dickinson.
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Now the other key thing that I had was, again, it's always the people and the,
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the Deputy Direct, the deputy, Director of Public Safety, Mike Scott, he survived.
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He was on the phone with Fred Morrone.
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Fred's last word was, "oh shit" when the building came down, poor
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Mike was on the phone with him.
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But Mike was, 25 year, pro with the Port Authority, ran the path
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trains Chief Superintendent was on the ethics board for 20 years, and
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I tell people I was the cop or the teenager and he was the businessman.
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Because he took care of all the, logistics, the rentals,
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the cost contractors contract.
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That was key.
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And I, to this day, we are best of friends.
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We even went into the TSA when we retired together and we both
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recognized that matters, but the
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that's how things got back people.
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Craig Floyd: let me, Dennis, I'm gonna turn it over to you to close it, but let
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me just say that today the Port Authority is bigger and stronger than ever.
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The Port Authority Police Department of New York and New Jersey.
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And, Joe Morris, you're the man responsible for, that.
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the fact that they're thriving today after such a devastating
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loss and, tragedy on 9/11.
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I'm proud to be your friend, sir. I'm so glad you joined us here on
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Heroes Behind the Badge because you are truly a hero behind the badge.
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Joe Morris: Ed Cetnar, who's the superintendent of police now, retired
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state Jersey State Police who was injured on, yeah, he has injuries
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from 9/11 when they were, they went, the recovery, rescue recovery when
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they volunteered to go injured.
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But he's, always the most respect and anything he wants anything I
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want, he, he would, he'd give, gives to me so I get the most respect
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and, You know what I, was blessed.
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As I said, some people said, it's like winning the lottery.
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When you became a PA cop.
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I was blessed to have seen the ad in the paper while cleaning a
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window, trying to take the test.
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I looked back.
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That's how I became.
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Dennis Collins: Chief, you're a great storyteller.
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We could go on and on Boy, you have the stories and I wanna thank
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you for coming on and retelling.
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I'm sure you've told this story hundreds of times.
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No, not a lot.
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I'm glad maybe we're one of the first we got the inside scoop guys because.
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We can't ever forget what happened.
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And as we said at the beginning, a lot of people that are alive today
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have no direct knowledge of this.
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This is how we keep people informed of the heroic activities by our police
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and our fire department on 9/11.
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So thank you for coming with us on Heroes Behind the Badge.
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Thank you Also.
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For your decades, your three over three decades of service to the
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people of New York and New Jersey.
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and I look at.
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The terrible loss of life, the terrible destruction, the whole concept.
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I remember exact, we all remember what we were doing when this
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happened, we gotta remember that tens of thousands of people survived.
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And of your 400 officers, god forbid, 37 passed.
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But most of your officers on the scene survived.
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the terrible.
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Tremendous loss of life overshadows that, but you guys that were out
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there on the scene did a lot of things right, and let's not forget that.
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Let's not forget that.
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And its great you are,
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Joe Morris: again, it it's the people, but it was the people in the Port
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Authority, in the right spots that, civilians and how you, the evacuation
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drills and everything else, that's what, why most people survived the numbers.
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Just it worked.
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It was just, if you look at who died, it was above where the planes hit.
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That's, who most of the deaths were,
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Dennis Collins: which was almost a death sentence from, the be.
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Oh, absolutely.
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There was not much you could do, but you guys did an unbelievable job.
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You and your team clearly are heroes behind the badge.
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You exemplify exactly what this podcast stands for.
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So thanks again for joining us.
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