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Goodbye To A Good Friend... · Billy & Lisa in the Morning: The After Show

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in after show, Army, justin here. It
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Speaker 1: is a Monday. I hope you had a great weekend.
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Speaker 1: I had a good weekend, went to the circus. More
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Speaker 1: on that later. Hopefully we might have a circus member
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Speaker 1: coming into the show this week, maybe the contortionist. Who knows.
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Speaker 1: If you follow me on Instagram, you might have seen
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Speaker 1: some of the videos that I did post. But today's podcast,
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Speaker 1: as I tease, it's going to be kind of an
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Speaker 1: emotional one because Santi, who is my radio mentor, he's
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Speaker 1: the one that brought me in. We talked about that
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Speaker 1: the last time he was here. His last day is tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: and he is here. Dude, how are you feeling? Sorry?
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Speaker 2: Sorry about that. I feel good, feel excited for the
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Speaker 2: new challenge ahead of me. But there's definitely a sense
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Speaker 2: of like it doesn't feel real, and it probably won't
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Speaker 2: feel real until tomorrow when we sign off.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's think about this. Tomorrow is the thirty first.
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Speaker 1: That's the last day that you are going to be
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Speaker 1: an employee here. People that don't know you're leaving because
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Speaker 1: you have a business, a side business that's about to
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Speaker 1: become your main business.
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Speaker 2: Right so, years ago I've always been into video, and
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Speaker 2: then I think when I got fired in twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 2: I got pushed into this influencer world where video content
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Speaker 2: was a huge thing or just it was just on
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Speaker 2: like the beginning part of it. So then I was
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Speaker 2: partnering with all these big companies. I had a lot
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Speaker 2: of fun, but I've always kept my love for video.
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Speaker 2: Then when I got hired back here, things were going well,
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Speaker 2: and then I started doing content for small companies on
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Speaker 2: the side. That business model and that experience started to
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Speaker 2: really blow up over the last couple of years where
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Speaker 2: I got to the point where I had to decide if,
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Speaker 2: like I wanted to keep doing the radio thing or
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Speaker 2: go all in ben on myself. Ben on this business
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Speaker 2: at not only has like I love, but then also
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Speaker 2: it showed me like there might be a really good
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Speaker 2: future for you in this helping small to medium sized
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Speaker 2: businesses find a digital footprint and show up every week
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Speaker 2: on social media.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you are really good at it, and it
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Speaker 1: really is it really is amazing to me. Because yes,
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Speaker 1: you mentioned that you were fired in twenty fifteen, I
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Speaker 1: was a part of that. On Jamming, there was a
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Speaker 1: change the morning show host Romero had left and you
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Speaker 1: got fired, so Ashley got moved and yeah, I remember
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Speaker 1: that time because you were for the first time didn't
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Speaker 1: have a job. Yeah. What year did you start on jamming?
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Speaker 2: My first day in my internship was June fifth of
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Speaker 2: two thousand.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, so you started as an intern like me,
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Speaker 1: worked your way up, became the executive producer, then co
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Speaker 1: hosts of the show shows I should say, but in
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen you were fired. And I remember because your
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Speaker 1: son was very young, your oldest cullin, and I remember
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Speaker 1: I did talk to you after. I know you said
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Speaker 1: I didn't call you for a while, which is true
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Speaker 1: a separate issue, but I remember talking to you right after,
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Speaker 1: like in the weeks after, and I said, how are
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Speaker 1: you doing. You go, I'm all right, and he goes.
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Speaker 1: But I look at the bright side of things, and
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Speaker 1: the bright side is that because I'm not working, I
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Speaker 1: can walk my son to the school to the school
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Speaker 1: bus every single day. And these are moments that I
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Speaker 1: would never have if I didn't get fired. And I
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Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's like a glass half full perspective.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's true to that, because I think, like
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Speaker 2: when you work mornings, you never around to drive the
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Speaker 2: kids of school for the school bus, and my son
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Speaker 2: was going to school for the first time and he
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Speaker 2: was five on the school bus. But if I hadn't
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Speaker 2: been fired, I would have never experienced that that whole
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Speaker 2: day and stuff. So that was amazing, but there was
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Speaker 2: definitely like a negative part of that. Having worked here
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Speaker 2: for fifteen years at the time, it's the only experience
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Speaker 2: I've ever had, so I only knew myself associated with
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Speaker 2: this radio station, and one day it gets taken away
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Speaker 2: and then like you're kind of lost, at least I
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Speaker 2: was at the time, like I was lost. I had
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Speaker 2: to reinvent myself, really think about like what it is
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do, and like there was a part
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Speaker 2: that was like listening to the radio is really tough
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Speaker 2: because I realized in that moment that the world moves on,
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Speaker 2: like people are going to get fired from every job
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Speaker 2: and this and that, and like again, at that time,
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Speaker 2: I wanted the world to end and to stop and
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Speaker 2: all this stuff, but that doesn't happen. I think I
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Speaker 2: noticed it too, when I was getting all the comments
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Speaker 2: of people like, oh my god, this sucked. I'm so mad.
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Speaker 2: I'm never going to listen to the radio station again.
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Speaker 2: Two weeks later, you look at in the comments and
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Speaker 2: that same person is commenting. Now, no fault to them,
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Speaker 2: Like everybody has a pattern and like a routine. But
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Speaker 2: the world moves on. And then I also had to
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Speaker 2: realize that and force myself to also move on and
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Speaker 2: reinvent myself and discover my new path.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you taught yourself how to do video editing
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Speaker 1: social media. That's where it started all of that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that change started then, and then my mind started
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Speaker 2: going even to the point where, like four years after that,
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Speaker 2: I was thinking about making the leap and starting this business.
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Speaker 2: But then Ashley I'd called me and asked me to
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Speaker 2: come back, So that kind of changed things at the time,
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Speaker 2: But I had always been thinking about this company in
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Speaker 2: the back of my mind.
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Speaker 1: Mmmm, well, you got fined in twenty fifteen and then
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Speaker 1: you were doing that stuff. But then you went back
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Speaker 1: into radio at a different radio station. And what year
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Speaker 1: was that.
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Speaker 2: That was twenty sixteen, So I'd like nine months.
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Speaker 1: Off okay, and then you went back into radio and
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Speaker 1: then yeah, Ashley reached out and then you came back
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Speaker 1: to jamming, which was like insane, which doesn't happen never happens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also realized I coming back that I
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Speaker 2: probably had another opportunity here to do things the right way,
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Speaker 2: because I will be the first womit. The way I
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Speaker 2: did things the first run here at iHeart probably wasn't
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Speaker 2: the best I had EGO had all these things that
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Speaker 2: weren't working in my favor when they came in time
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Speaker 2: to make the decision. So coming back I had changed
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Speaker 2: over those four years. Getting fired will change you, and
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Speaker 2: it changed me. So coming back, I knew I had
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Speaker 2: a second chance at this, and I feel like now
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Speaker 2: at the end of it, I made the best of
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Speaker 2: every opportunity I could have. I was I developed as
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Speaker 2: a person, as an employee, as a professional, and all
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Speaker 2: this stuff. Now I'm ready for this next chapter in
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Speaker 2: a way that I never was prepared for even back
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Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: Well, you told me, You've told me a lot of
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Speaker 1: great advice. But that's one thing you always kind of
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Speaker 1: instilled in me, is one don't let the radio become
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Speaker 1: who you are. Don't become a celebrity because it could
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Speaker 1: be taken away. And if it does get taken away,
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Speaker 1: always try to have some kind of backup plan because
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Speaker 1: radio is so unpredictable, you know, and you don't want
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Speaker 1: to be let go and then they have nothing, you know.
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Speaker 1: So I do think about that, and I've talked about
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Speaker 1: on this podcast, like if that day ever comes, what
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Speaker 1: I would do, you know, maybe I go into fitness
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Speaker 1: or recovery or do something that I'm passionate about. But
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Speaker 1: that's one of the first things stories I'd like to
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Speaker 1: share when Santi talks about having an ego and being
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Speaker 1: because people have to understand, right, you start as an intern,
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Speaker 1: and then you became a producer and then an executive producer.
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Speaker 1: You were on the air, and you became a character
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Speaker 1: crazy Kulo. You were a stunt guy, you know, and
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Speaker 1: so you kind of had to become a different person
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Speaker 1: and do like crazy stuff and say crazy things, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you were like a mentor
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Speaker 1: to me. But it was wild because on the air
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Speaker 1: you were like almost like this character and would be
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Speaker 1: like playful and like, you know whatever, vicious kind of,
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Speaker 1: but off the air you were a legit human to me, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and gave me good advice.
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Speaker 1: And I remember this one time, you know, when I
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Speaker 1: was an intern, I like to take pictures with celebrities.
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Speaker 1: That's what you do. It's a big moment, you post
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Speaker 1: the picture, right. So one time the Patriots Chileaders came
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Speaker 1: in and so I went and got them, walked them in,
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Speaker 1: they came on the air, maybe they didn't even go
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Speaker 1: on the air, and when they were done, I walked
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Speaker 1: them out. I asked them for a picture, and I
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Speaker 1: took a picture in the lobby with them, and I
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Speaker 1: posted it, and then you and Romero and Ashley called
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Speaker 1: me into the studio and they go sit down. Did
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Speaker 1: you do just to take a picture with the Patriots cheerleaders?
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Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? Like so many good moments
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Speaker 1: like that, you know, But I do want to share
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Speaker 1: this anti on this second or last day, I have
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Speaker 1: a blog that I wrote. It's on It's a word
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Speaker 1: press blog. I'll try to share the link, or you
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Speaker 1: can just google just to beasy word press and it'll
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Speaker 1: come up right there. But it's basically a documentation of
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Speaker 1: my internship and all the things that kind of like
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Speaker 1: I went through from from the beginning to end. And
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Speaker 1: just I want to read like one or two sentences
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Speaker 1: here because this is stuff that I was documenting for
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Speaker 1: my college class. Like it says right here. Crazy Kulo
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Speaker 1: has become like my mentor at JAM and he gives
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Speaker 1: me advice not just about working in radio but life
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Speaker 1: in general because he is highly successful, having worked his
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Speaker 1: way up from intern to executive producer of the show.
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Speaker 1: You know, I just I really want to I know
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Speaker 1: you know this and I've said it a million times,
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Speaker 1: like how much of an impact you had on my career?
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And I know I hope
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Speaker 1: that you're proud. Oh how far I've got to come,
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Speaker 1: you know what.
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Speaker 2: I mean out of the work that you put in,
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Speaker 2: Because yes, maybe I gave you the opportunity, and I think,
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Speaker 2: like you have in the past, I said thank you
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Speaker 2: and you meant so much to me, which thank you
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Speaker 2: for that, But I also want to turn that back
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Speaker 2: around in you because like you took the opportunity if
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Speaker 2: you worked your ass off. Now, looking at the place
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Speaker 2: where you've gotten to, I'm like, you're the one who
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Speaker 2: did all the work. But yes, I'm proud of you.
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Speaker 2: You've done amazing. I knew from an early on that
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Speaker 2: you were going to be amazing at this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, do you understand when I've read this blog recently,
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Speaker 1: you know, this is years ago. I wrote this. I
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Speaker 1: read it to said, yeah, but like you have to
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Speaker 1: understand coming into the radio business and having you be
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Speaker 1: there as the person that hired me and then becoming
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Speaker 1: some of a mentor, you were like a celebrity to me.
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Speaker 1: You know, I grew up listening to jamming and listening
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Speaker 1: to Kiss and Crazy Kulo. I didn't know. I know,
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Speaker 1: I shared this before when I applied for the internship
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Speaker 1: and you emailed. You emailed as Santy and you set
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Speaker 1: up the interview, and so I remember I was talking
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Speaker 1: to somebody and I said, I have an internship interview
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Speaker 1: at Chaman ninety four to five and they and they
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Speaker 1: said who is it with? And I said Santiago and
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Speaker 1: they go, that's crazy cool and d what you know?
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Speaker 1: So when I came in, you know you've talked about
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Speaker 1: a million times, you saw something to me that I
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Speaker 1: didn't see in myself. I weighed about three hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty pounds. I was probably dressed in basketball shorts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, actually know you had great pants in
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Speaker 2: this button up shirt that.
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Speaker 1: Was kind of striped. Oh. It was the second day
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Speaker 1: that I that I wore the basketball short shots and
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Speaker 1: I know that you knew that there was something going
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Speaker 1: on there. First of all, I was almost thirty years old,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was an older intern, but you gave
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Speaker 1: me a shot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I just never judge people based on like
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Speaker 2: little things like that where I sense that there was something,
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Speaker 2: there was a story there which I didn't know, but
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Speaker 2: I could feel that you were in this for the
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Speaker 2: right reasons. And I think I come across a lot
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Speaker 2: of people who are in it for the wrong Like
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Speaker 2: they want to come on here, they want to be
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Speaker 2: on the air, they want to be famous, they want
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Speaker 2: to do all these things. But you didn't have that.
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Speaker 2: You had a genuine interest in the medium, and I
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Speaker 2: think I respected that, and you had a humbleness about
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Speaker 2: you that was willing to learn, which again, internships are
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Speaker 2: important from that aspect. You're here to learn and hopefully
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Speaker 2: develop into something like professional and I could see that
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Speaker 2: from you from day one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'd gone through a lot, man. You know.
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Speaker 1: My story was I was legit like locked up and
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Speaker 1: on the streets and all that crazy stuff. So I
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Speaker 1: had seen the other side. So to have this opportunity
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Speaker 1: meant so much to me. And I had a lot
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Speaker 1: of gratitude for it, and I didn't want to mess
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Speaker 1: it up. And it's so crazy because we've had those
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Speaker 1: talks a lot, especially early on, and I remember like
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Speaker 1: seeing so many other interns messing it up. Oh my god, yeah,
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Speaker 1: wanting to be on the air, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I've come. My god. I could tell you
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Speaker 2: so many stories of people who had a great opportunity
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Speaker 2: here and then for whatever reason, they just messed it up,
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Speaker 2: or they wanted this, they wanted that. But I think
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Speaker 2: the key to this business is is work hard and
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Speaker 2: don't piss anybody off and learn on the fly. And
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Speaker 2: you'd be surprised the amount of people can't do that.
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Speaker 2: I can't figure out that part. They come in with baggage,
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Speaker 2: they come in with the perception, but the biggest thing
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Speaker 2: they come in wanting to be cool and be famous,
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Speaker 2: and like that's the worst thing. Yeah, because like again
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Speaker 2: back to your point, this will get taken away at
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Speaker 2: some point. Either you're going to choose to leave or
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Speaker 2: you're gonna get fired, but it gets taken away, and
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Speaker 2: you don't want your existence tethered with this fake thing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I remember you made a comment about losing
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Speaker 1: your job and you said, I forget what exactly you'll remember,
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Speaker 1: you said, It's not real at first. It becomes real
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Speaker 1: like when the emails stop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. You know I remember,
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Speaker 2: and I again, I'm crazy with dates, so I remember.
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Speaker 2: July second of twenty fifteen was a day I got
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Speaker 2: to my wife's birthday. July second, Yes, July second, twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 2: It was want to say it was a Thursday or
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Speaker 2: a Friday. I forget which day it was. I think
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Speaker 2: it was a Thursday because Friday we had off for
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Speaker 2: the fourth. Yes, yeah, the fourth was on a Sunday.
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Speaker 2: I was going away for that weekend. And still I
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Speaker 2: got let go. It didn't hit me yet, and I
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Speaker 2: was still able to like hold on to some of
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Speaker 2: the energy from the radio station through the summer. But
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Speaker 2: it was November when the world kind of like in
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Speaker 2: my mind started to go back to normal. People stopped
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Speaker 2: texting me, stop emailing me, stop getting the invites all
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Speaker 2: these events. And then I started seeing people move on,
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Speaker 2: like people professionally, and I started to get this feeling.
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Speaker 2: And that's when, like I wouldn't say I was depressed,
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Speaker 2: but that's when the sadness hit. That's when I really
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Speaker 2: had to come to terms with what happened, and maybe
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Speaker 2: something with the change of the season, the cold it
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Speaker 2: was like. But November that that year was really tough
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Speaker 2: for me. I stopped texting people back who were like, hey,
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Speaker 2: checking in on you. Me and Romeiro lost contact then
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Speaker 2: because I was pissed at him, so I stopped texting
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Speaker 2: him back, and he kept texting me like every couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks like don't lose faith, you know, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: And I stopped texting him back, and then that took
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Speaker 2: months for us to come back. But like that whole process, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I mean, but at the same time, I had to
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Speaker 2: get fired, to get humbled, to find this new motivation
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Speaker 2: within myself. And unfortunately, and I hate saying it like this,
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Speaker 2: like in this industry and maybe in every I think
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Speaker 2: everybody needs to go through a firing just to remember
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Speaker 2: that this is just the job and it's going to
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Speaker 2: go away. What's really important is what you have at home,
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Speaker 2: my wife, family, kids, All these things are really at
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Speaker 2: its foundation. Friends, like all this stuff because this is
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Speaker 2: just a job. I like, I know what we do
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Speaker 2: with something special, something really cool and fun, But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, it really is just a job and
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Speaker 2: some of these dudes behind the scenes, some of these
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Speaker 2: corporate people will make a decision all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: your life changes, and you can't let this completely be
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Speaker 2: your downfall because life has to go on, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that messaging so much. Really, it really
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Speaker 1: the more I work here, the more that I really
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Speaker 1: understand that your family is the most important. You know.
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Speaker 1: I always say that, you know, when I meet people
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Speaker 1: or people think that I'm cool because I'm on the
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Speaker 1: radiol I always make this joke, like the only person
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Speaker 1: I care about thinking I'm cool with my son, you know,
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Speaker 1: and he does, but not really. I'm dad, Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I really like I would
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Speaker 1: want him to be like, wow, my dad's cool. I
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Speaker 1: know he does think that, yeah, but I'm also dad. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you know that's how it is. So wow, twenty five years.
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Speaker 2: Five years.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I started thinking about this process maybe like a year ago.
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Speaker 2: That's when it really started to come into my mind.
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Speaker 2: And I started looking at my business and it was
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Speaker 2: going really well, and I'm like, hey, even if I'm
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Speaker 2: half successful at that, I could probably do really really well.
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Speaker 2: Where Like things started to even up, like financially on
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Speaker 2: both ends. So I'm like, what if I just dedicated
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Speaker 2: all my time to this. But then I went on
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Speaker 2: vacation in August, and again I had been toying with
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Speaker 2: this emotion, this feeling, talking to my wife on it
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Speaker 2: for months, and then I went away in August and
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Speaker 2: I said, listen, let's go away. Let me get time
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Speaker 2: away from work to see if I really still feel this.
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Speaker 2: And I remember, it's gonna sound bougie, but it was
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Speaker 2: day two Emparis, my second my first full day there.
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Speaker 2: Second day, I'm like walking around, I'm like, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: have that feeling, I have that itch, I have this
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Speaker 2: like the universe was speaking to me. And I used
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Speaker 2: to think stuff like that was so stupid. But I
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Speaker 2: knew in that moment that this was it, that I
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Speaker 2: was gonna give my notice. I wasn't gonna extend my contract,
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Speaker 2: which was due March twenty. I mean, sorry mar first. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So I had sat with that moment. Then I sat
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Speaker 2: another month coming back to work and feeling it up.
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Speaker 2: Before I had the conversation with people around here. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I did watch the announcement. I was in a Ruba
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Speaker 2: on vacation and I watched the announcement with you and
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Speaker 2: Ashley very emotional. I didn't think I was gonna get
15:14
Speaker 2: me that. I was not expecting that because when you
15:16
Speaker 2: think about the whole thing, like for me, I'm like,
15:17
Speaker 2: all right, well, I'm ready for the next chapter of
15:19
Speaker 2: my life. I'm you know, it's gonna be fine. I
15:21
Speaker 2: can talk about it. I'm excited. But in that moment
15:24
Speaker 2: when I start thinking about how much the listeners have
15:27
Speaker 2: meant to me, how much, how much, how many years
15:30
Speaker 2: this place has been in my life, even going back
15:33
Speaker 2: to a teenager listening to this radio station as like
15:36
Speaker 2: a kid and driving around, and then I got to
15:39
Speaker 2: work here, and then that was a huge thing. So
15:41
Speaker 2: I think about all those things and talking about it
15:43
Speaker 2: called me super emotions.
15:45
Speaker 1: And also, you know, you have to mention Ashley, Yeah,
15:48
Speaker 1: it's like your best friend, and you did mean not
15:50
Speaker 1: just a radio station and a job, but also her. Yeah,
15:52
Speaker 1: so that's probably you know.
15:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was obviously the biggest thing in telling
15:56
Speaker 2: her was like I had to tell her then I
15:59
Speaker 2: had to like, well, for I started this, playing to
16:00
Speaker 2: tell on a certain day. Then things got delayed because
16:02
Speaker 2: they had some firings behind the scenes here. So then
16:06
Speaker 2: I had to talk to her about it, and that
16:07
Speaker 2: was like the toughest conversation I've ever had to have,
16:11
Speaker 2: and that was instantly very emotional.
16:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then and then she played the
16:15
Speaker 1: song yeah, fear for Fear.
16:19
Speaker 2: So I tell my kids that that's the song that
16:22
Speaker 2: when I'm on my deathbed and you know, I'm just
16:25
Speaker 2: holding on, That's what I want you guys to play
16:27
Speaker 2: to let me know that's time to go.
16:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you are obviously an eighties baby, like yeah,
16:31
Speaker 1: I am, and you're really into you know, eighties movies
16:34
Speaker 1: and TV shows. Actually, a pretty very cool moment is
16:38
Speaker 1: when I was a kid growing up late eighties, there
16:40
Speaker 1: was a movie called Rad that came out about BMX
16:42
Speaker 1: biking and nobody ever saw this movie. It was a
16:45
Speaker 1: complete like like flop, but it became a cult classic.
16:48
Speaker 1: And so when I tell people every time I go
16:51
Speaker 1: you ever see the movie Rad? They look at me
16:52
Speaker 1: like what, But I remember when I was working as
16:55
Speaker 1: an intern, I brought it up to you and you
16:57
Speaker 1: fucking knew. You knew the movie, Yeah, you knew the
17:00
Speaker 1: new Crew which.
17:05
Speaker 2: He like beat Bart Connor on on like hell track.
17:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the soundtrack is so good. I think the
17:12
Speaker 1: guy's name is John Farnham.
17:13
Speaker 2: Anybody getting Ready to Break the Ice?
17:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great movie. It's on YouTube too, but
17:19
Speaker 1: you can watch it, by the.
17:20
Speaker 2: Way, But that don't means so much to me because
17:22
Speaker 2: the first line is like, welcome to your life. There's
17:25
Speaker 2: no turning back. And I think, I that's where I
17:28
Speaker 2: try to live. Guys, I'm finding a cold there. But
17:32
Speaker 2: that's for me. No, no, no no, But that's a
17:36
Speaker 2: reminder of like listen, stay forward, stay in the moment, and.
17:39
Speaker 1: This is it, so yeah, you're gonna be just fine.
17:43
Speaker 2: Listen. I'm excited. And I think like there's a and
17:46
Speaker 2: I always talking about the fear part because I hope
17:48
Speaker 2: somebody can get like motivated, because everybody gets comfortable, right
17:52
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I was, but like there's a
17:55
Speaker 2: fear of taking a like a major leap like this,
17:58
Speaker 2: like a career change or abys and all these things.
18:01
Speaker 2: Like absolutely, it's so fearful. I panic like once a day,
18:04
Speaker 2: but just just like about it. But at the same time,
18:06
Speaker 2: like you get to back yourself into a corner and
18:09
Speaker 2: just fight it out. You're going to burn the ships
18:11
Speaker 2: and just make it work.
18:12
Speaker 1: Well, essentially you're betting on yourself, right, and you're walking
18:15
Speaker 1: away from a sure paycheck. Yeah every week or twice
18:18
Speaker 1: a month. You know there's gonna be a paycheck with
18:19
Speaker 1: this amount of money on there. And now you're stopping
18:22
Speaker 1: that and you're working for yourself and you have to
18:23
Speaker 1: earn your own money, so you do. Yeah.
18:26
Speaker 2: But and I think a lot of people will go
18:28
Speaker 2: to what if it doesn't work? Which, okay, fine, what
18:30
Speaker 2: if it doesn't, But what if it does, and even
18:33
Speaker 2: if it's semi successful financially, it's going to be amazing.
18:37
Speaker 2: So why not bet on yourself?
18:38
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why not? So?
18:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I have no chances to fight it out.
18:42
Speaker 2: And the common question I keep getting is what are
18:44
Speaker 2: you going to do your first day? You're gonna get
18:46
Speaker 2: to sleep, And I'm like, no, I got to get
18:48
Speaker 2: up at six thirty in the morning, start my routine
18:50
Speaker 2: and start working. I have to. I don't have a choice.
18:53
Speaker 1: And get your kid off to school, get.
18:55
Speaker 2: My kid off to school, drive the kids to school.
18:56
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well you're youngest, Carter.
18:59
Speaker 2: Well, I have my oldest son now drives, he drives
19:02
Speaker 2: themselves to school. But then my daughters I drop them
19:04
Speaker 2: off Carter does still take the bus. I'll drive them
19:06
Speaker 2: to the end of the driveway.
19:07
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but it's like a full circle almost.
19:12
Speaker 1: Yeah in a way. You know what I mean. What
19:14
Speaker 1: is your business? What is the name of it?
19:16
Speaker 2: Badeo Space Media. You can check it out sile spacemedia
19:19
Speaker 2: dot com. I help small to medium sized businesses find
19:21
Speaker 2: their digital footprint and show up every week on social
19:24
Speaker 2: media in a compelling way, not like some of the
19:27
Speaker 2: bs that you kind of see where it's not organized.
19:29
Speaker 2: We're going to plan everything out. We'll have an eighteen
19:31
Speaker 2: month plan and we'll execute it.
19:33
Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically, you know, social media is where it's
19:36
Speaker 1: at right for a lot of these businesses. Content and
19:40
Speaker 1: also visibility for the business, you know. So you I'll
19:43
Speaker 1: think about a lot of these businesses, right, they don't
19:46
Speaker 1: have they don't know how to do it.
19:48
Speaker 2: The biggest challenges that they're facing is that they know
19:50
Speaker 2: they need it, they just don't know how to do it.
19:52
Speaker 2: And also the solution where I here quite austen and
19:54
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. Oh we have a girl in the
19:56
Speaker 2: office just doing it. You can't have that because they're
19:58
Speaker 2: just throwing off random stuff with out thinking about what
20:01
Speaker 2: is it going to post? Howard ties into the business
20:03
Speaker 2: and even topical things that kind of happened. Here's a
20:05
Speaker 2: good example of it. I work with a company that
20:08
Speaker 2: was doing seasonal stuff, so they had something planned for
20:11
Speaker 2: the day that we had to major snow storm. Right,
20:13
Speaker 2: this was planning out months in advance, but they didn't
20:16
Speaker 2: predict that the snowstorm was gonna hit. People are going
20:18
Speaker 2: to lose power. What I did I pivoted in the
20:22
Speaker 2: moment and started posting content about buying generators right and
20:25
Speaker 2: all that stuff, because that's what people are thinking about
20:28
Speaker 2: just in the moment. But that's what we can do too.
20:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so true.
20:32
Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off there, but listen, I'm still
20:34
Speaker 2: going to be around. I got some things in the
20:36
Speaker 2: works that are gonna pop off like very soon. I'm
20:38
Speaker 2: not going away completely. I'll still be doing some things, Okay,
20:42
Speaker 2: all right.
20:42
Speaker 1: And lastly, you know we've talked about this endlessly about
20:45
Speaker 1: how I didn't call you or reach out to you.
20:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a liar disappeared. Where's nothing gone? He's
20:51
Speaker 2: onto his new show mentor nothing.
20:54
Speaker 1: By Yeah, well I want to tell you that obviously
20:57
Speaker 1: I've said a million times, no hard failings. There nothing
21:00
Speaker 1: to do with you or anything I do. Have asked
21:02
Speaker 1: my wife. I was telling my wife about it, and
21:04
Speaker 1: she goes, yeah, that's You're terrible communicating. Like I'm married
21:08
Speaker 1: to you. I know, you know. And that's not the
21:10
Speaker 1: first time I've heard that from people that maybe have
21:12
Speaker 1: moved away or that I lost contact with. Is not
21:15
Speaker 1: reaching out. So I'm gonna do better job at that. Yeah,
21:18
Speaker 1: and no one's gonna know. No one's gonna I'm not
21:19
Speaker 1: gonna like announce it to people. So now it's between
21:21
Speaker 1: you and I.
21:22
Speaker 2: I tease about that, but I also think that there's
21:24
Speaker 2: probably a point in that too where you were like
21:26
Speaker 2: focus on what you were doing, trying to do your thing,
21:29
Speaker 2: and I don't follow.
21:30
Speaker 1: You what I'll tell you what it is in a way,
21:32
Speaker 1: And this is complete honesty. You know. I'm still learning
21:35
Speaker 1: about the radio business. I've been in a while, but
21:38
Speaker 1: I'm still like, I'm always learning, And I think what
21:41
Speaker 1: happened was honestly, there was nothing against you. I love you,
21:44
Speaker 1: but when you worked for the other radio station, I
21:46
Speaker 1: always thought there was some kind of like thing like competition,
21:50
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think that maybe
21:52
Speaker 1: played into it like.
21:54
Speaker 2: Most situations, that's how it works. And I think like, oh,
21:57
Speaker 2: we're not friends with them. No, I'm friends with everybody.
22:00
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that like I want to be. Somebody
22:02
Speaker 2: can think up the phone, call pebbles and do this
22:04
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And I think, like, gone too many years,
22:07
Speaker 2: we're playing the stupid game where I'm not doing it.
22:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm not doing it anymore. So we're gonna
22:11
Speaker 1: we're friends. We're friends to the end, Bud, you and I.
22:14
Speaker 1: All right, So I just wanted to wish you luck
22:16
Speaker 1: in Tomorrow morning, I'm gonna come on and I'm gonna
22:19
Speaker 1: say a proper goodbye on the air on Jammin'. Oh yeah, So.
22:23
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry a lot tomorrow.
22:24
Speaker 1: No, you don't have to cry, but i'm gonna let
22:26
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let the world know live how much of
22:29
Speaker 1: an impact you had on my life. Thank you, justin
22:31
Speaker 1: all right, So thank you very much, Good luck on
22:33
Speaker 1: everything again. It is Silo Space Media and they can
22:37
Speaker 1: find that on your Instagram right yea, at santi Olio.
22:39
Speaker 2: It will as of Wednesday when I change my bio.
22:42
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, take the.
22:43
Speaker 2: Jammin right off and put that right out top.
22:45
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Bud, and listen. If anybody has any
22:48
Speaker 1: comments or anything for Santy that you can leave a
22:50
Speaker 1: talk back and I'll try to get him to listen
22:52
Speaker 1: before he leaves. Good luck, brother, He love you, sir.
22:54
Speaker 1: Thank you,