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Adrien Broner: Big Comeback or Big Mistake? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five, weight class unknowns.
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  Speaker 2: But hailing from the city of Sands. Put your hands
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  Speaker 2: together for Jamison Welch.
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  Speaker 1: And in this corner standing at five foot ten, weighing
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  Speaker 1: in at pound and coming to us from his super
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  Speaker 1: secret bunker with no ac in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 3: Put your hands together for Luis Montemao.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Welcome back to the episode of Misgivny podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Of course I'm one half of the show. I'm Jameson
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  Speaker 1: as always, I'm joined by Louise. Louise, what's going on man?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Jamison, we are in the dog days of summer,
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  Speaker 4: as they say, middle of July here, and there's been
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  Speaker 4: a lot going on in the boxing world. The biggest
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  Speaker 4: thing that we should talk about was a few days ago.
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  Speaker 4: It has been officially announced. It's been kind of that.
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  Speaker 4: It was a long time coming. We were wondering if
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  Speaker 4: this is true or not, but sa Cour Stevenson has
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  Speaker 4: officially sided with ZUFA Boxing under Dana White. Side with
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  Speaker 4: ZUFA is the thing I'm gonna have trouble say during
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  Speaker 4: the show. But you know, we haven't been fans of
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  Speaker 4: data White or Zoofa we've not been impressed. We've been
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  Speaker 4: on the record. One thing a start. I'll start with this.
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  Speaker 4: It seems that there's a lot of announcements about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of promises, big fights, big names, this and
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  Speaker 4: that they signed Shakhor, but no actual fight was it
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  Speaker 4: elsd So I don't see this as changing my mind
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  Speaker 4: on anything Zoof is doing. It's just like you got
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  Speaker 4: to get people in the ring. You gotta put people
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  Speaker 4: together and get me excited. Because Chakhur's the name. I'm
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  Speaker 4: a fan, but what's next? Like, what is he doing next?
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  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that stage?
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  Speaker 1: So he's the domino that starts everything, right, he's the name.
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  Speaker 1: So you got to get the name first, and they
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  Speaker 1: got that. Once you get that, then you make your
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  Speaker 1: other names that come over, or you make other fights.
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  Speaker 1: I think you have to get the name first and
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  Speaker 1: then you establish who's next or what fights next. I
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  Speaker 1: think we get an announcement of a fight coming soon.
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  Speaker 1: I would say within the next four six weeks. Bye,
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  Speaker 1: it's mid January. Now, by Labor Day weekend, we should
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  Speaker 1: have an announcement of some sort of fight between Shakur
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  Speaker 1: and Haini, Shakour and whoever, like there should be a
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  Speaker 1: deal out there. You know, that's something where we should
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  Speaker 1: get something out there. So that being said, it's not
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  Speaker 1: bad announcement. It's one of those things where I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of a waiting and to see approach with things, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of I'm cautiously optimistic.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're.
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  Speaker 4: Saying in your mind, maybe a Labor Day announcement, and
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  Speaker 4: in terms of what we talked about, how long it
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  Speaker 4: takes to.
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  Speaker 3: Promote a fight, so like November.
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  Speaker 4: If that's the case and that's what happens, the timeline
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  Speaker 4: would be the ce Cha Quebec in November.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, it could be or it could be like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: like he's not fighting until early next year, nothing but supplies.
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  Speaker 1: I would hope it's November, though I hope it's before
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  Speaker 1: the end of the year. But you never know with
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  Speaker 1: these things. I think he feel like he's ready to fight.
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  Speaker 1: Talks every day on social media, so you would think
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  Speaker 1: he's ready to fight. Now, we just never know how
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  Speaker 1: these things work out. With all that being said, the
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  Speaker 1: one thing I will give Zoos a credit for is
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  Speaker 1: it feels like we're gonna get a lot of fights.
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  Speaker 2: That's all we ever asked for? Right is the fights?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: How boxes get taken care of the salary? All that
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  Speaker 2: that is hit or miss. We know that has its
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  Speaker 2: own course of action.
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  Speaker 1: But in terms of the fights itself, it feels like
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  Speaker 1: with this group, you're gonna have a lot of fights.
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  Speaker 1: In general, you're gonna have a lot of fights, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of matches being made. That's all we are asked for.
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  Speaker 1: So with that being said, it's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: to where I'm not too opposed to what we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have take place and what's gonna what's gonna go on?
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  Speaker 4: Sure, and as down as I've been on them and
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  Speaker 4: data with all of this, and that might uh, of
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  Speaker 4: course I want to see more fights.
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  Speaker 3: I want to.
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  Speaker 4: I love boxing and I want more of it. My
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  Speaker 4: only thing is that it seems like a lot of hype,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of promises, and not a lot of action
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  Speaker 4: so far. And I just kind of you say, one thing,
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  Speaker 4: you can't wait too too long to, you know, put
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  Speaker 4: these people in the ring together, because there's always somebody
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  Speaker 4: nu down the corner.
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  Speaker 3: There's always another fight taking up the.
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  Speaker 4: Air, the oxygen in the room, and I just really
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  Speaker 4: want to announce me because there's one thing. It's one
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  Speaker 4: thing to have shakor saying I want to fight this
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  Speaker 4: person talking shit on social media or you know he
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  Speaker 4: got into it with Connor Ben it's last fight afterwards.
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  Speaker 4: It's one thing through that, and it's another thing for
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  Speaker 4: promotional companies saying, oh, we're going to be the best,
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  Speaker 4: We're going to put the best mets together, like.
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  Speaker 3: You're the guys.
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  Speaker 4: Are you the people that can help make it more
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  Speaker 4: so than the fighter? I think, so show me something
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  Speaker 4: is how I see it.
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  Speaker 1: That part, but also too, it's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: to where things have to make sense, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think the powers that be that are organizing all
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  Speaker 1: this they have a plan as well. They probably have
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  Speaker 1: a free fight plan that they want to see executed.
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  Speaker 1: They probably want to see certain matchups. They want to
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  Speaker 1: also put together as many programming nights as possible, especially
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  Speaker 1: with football coming back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's been I feel like there's been a fight.
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  Speaker 1: Every weekend during the last few weeks, which has been great,
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  Speaker 1: but you all seed to put together really strong weekends
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  Speaker 1: going forward as well. So it's an interesting to see
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  Speaker 1: how they set everything forward and how everything is going.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious to see how that goes with that
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  Speaker 1: being said, Shakur is a big name and he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to fight you know people, And I can see
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  Speaker 1: him fighting a tune up the next go around, then
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  Speaker 1: fighting a big name early first quarter, I can see that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's even been rumored.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I've seen Devin Handy's dad in the media and
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  Speaker 1: out there almost every day. It feels like talking about
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  Speaker 1: talking to Jay Prince, talk to this person, talk to
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  Speaker 1: that person, is looking like early first quarter of twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Which is you know, whatever whatever, But who knows.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of everyone's pointing the finger at the
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  Speaker 1: other party, one person saying one thing, one person saying another.
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  Speaker 1: Who all knows, But we do know chakors with ZUFA,
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  Speaker 1: so we know ZUFA has a lot of leverage at
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  Speaker 1: the moment. They may be trying to get other people.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows, But as of right now, it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: wait and see what everything going on. Yeah, absolutely, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I know there's rumors of a tune up fight. Shakur
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  Speaker 1: himself has said no, he wants a big fight. He
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  Speaker 1: wants his next fight to be a big name.
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  Speaker 4: And the names that are you know, being thrown around
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  Speaker 4: are Ray Garcia, Tank Davis, Devin Haney, and Connor ben
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, which one of those excites
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  Speaker 4: you the most or if if they're a possibility, because
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  Speaker 4: they are, they're all pitcher big fights.
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  Speaker 1: Hanny Hanny's the best one out of those guys. Okay, currently,
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  Speaker 1: he's the best one. That's the one that that's the
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  Speaker 1: one that probably get the best fight from. I think
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  Speaker 1: Shakur will be favored, but that's probably the best fight
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  Speaker 1: you get. With all that being said, man, the key
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  Speaker 1: is we get guys fighting guys like even Rollie find
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  Speaker 1: to your female, that's a good fight, that's a it's
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  Speaker 1: a solid fight, and so basically somebody gotta go match.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, that's a good man. You
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  Speaker 1: need as many fights as possible.
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  Speaker 2: So that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: But cor being the guy like they're trying to make
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  Speaker 1: him the face of basically boxing in a sense, especially
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  Speaker 1: his division, his region right between like one thirty five
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  Speaker 1: and seven. He's basically the face of that region in
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  Speaker 1: a sense. So with that being said, yeah, gotta fight
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  Speaker 1: early and often. I'm curiously how it's gonna go.
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  Speaker 4: I agree that Devin Haney is the best matchup. But
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  Speaker 4: I worry that you know, they're gonna push Ryan because
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  Speaker 4: he's still the bigger draw.
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  Speaker 3: I think. I don't know if you agree with that,
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  Speaker 3: but uh, I'd be less excited to see that than
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  Speaker 3: him and Haney. But I don't know. I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: seems like just easy money, easy viewers, easy hype.
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  Speaker 2: I can see him fighting. Well, Ryan's fighting soon. That's
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  Speaker 2: the only issue, right, Ryan's fighting de la Hoya. Uh
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  Speaker 2: announced something I think last week but not mistaken right.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, so before we got on the mic, I did see.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't see anything about an official match.
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  Speaker 3: For Ryan yet.
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  Speaker 4: Uh he had, Yeah, he had said that he was
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  Speaker 4: gonna fight Connor Ben Delaya said no, that we need
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  Speaker 4: to talk about it. And then when they during the
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  Speaker 4: announcement when Chakor joined ZUFA, both Ryan Garcia and Connor
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  Speaker 4: Bean were there, or at least Ryan was, but yeah, nothing,
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  Speaker 4: nothing came out of it.
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  Speaker 3: And nobody said anything.
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  Speaker 4: They kept saying an announcement would be coming up soon sooner,
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  Speaker 4: But as of today, I don't see.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see anything.
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  Speaker 4: Official, but I'm you know, I could always be wrong,
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  Speaker 4: could have always missed something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's working on as of last week he's working
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  Speaker 1: on a Connor Bin fight, So I don't know, we'll
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  Speaker 1: see yeah as yeah, as well as we I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we've been hearing that for like a month now, so
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  Speaker 1: it probably does happen unless if out here's the thing
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  Speaker 1: that I don't know if it's gonna work with ZUFA,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if that's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a cold war or not. So there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things kind of be to be determined. With that being said,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan got to win this next fight. Whoever he fights,
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  Speaker 1: he gotta win. You can't necessarily throw Ryan in if
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  Speaker 1: he's losing and not looking at the fights versus the
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  Speaker 1: guys trying to be the face of your network.
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  Speaker 2: So that's gonna be another thing too. So a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things the factor in.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think stylistically, Shakora hand he's the best
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  Speaker 1: fight you get, and it feels like ZUFA is trying
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  Speaker 1: to put together really good fights, especially breaking the guy
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  Speaker 1: into you know, this the face of the type of
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  Speaker 1: deal they're trying to do. That's what they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: be about. And I do respect him because I will say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they got some guys in there they're coming.
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like or I'm fond of. They do
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  Speaker 1: fight rather often, which is a good sign. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: see how it plays out.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, and just you know, for the record, who knows
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  Speaker 3: what this actually turns into.
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  Speaker 4: But Oscar Deloya did say that he is willing to
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  Speaker 4: work with any promoter, including Dana White.
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  Speaker 3: If he has to. Is the way that he put it.
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  Speaker 4: So he didn't say this never happening, But he also
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  Speaker 4: wasn't you know, he wasn't super excited.
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  Speaker 3: About the idea, So who knows. Maybe you know, give
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  Speaker 3: him the cold shoulder, maybe he'll actually grit a steeth
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  Speaker 3: and do it. It's hard to say.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the thing is that the more time that passes,
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  Speaker 4: the more Dana White's involvement is just becoming deniable, inevitable in.
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  Speaker 3: The boxing world.
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  Speaker 4: And we just got to see, uh, we got to
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  Speaker 4: see what happens next in terms of putting together more
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  Speaker 4: fights and how often. But for me, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: I'm still kind of waiting for them to show me
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  Speaker 4: something I'm really really in too excited about, and Shaquor
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  Speaker 4: announcing an opponent is one of those things that I
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  Speaker 4: need fairly soonish. But yeah, uh, but yeah, more lots
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  Speaker 4: more to come about, uh ZUFA Boxing and Data White
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  Speaker 4: and and what's going to happen. So you know, the
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  Speaker 4: Mixed Company podcast is going to be with it, through,
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  Speaker 4: with you all, through it all. So I feel like
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: a newscaster or whenever there's like a like a big
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: storm or a tragedy or something, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Like breaking news. It's like anything develops, We're here for you,
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  Speaker 3: tune in. You know, well, we're well, we'll keep you posting.
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  Speaker 4: Another another company there that's talking about, oh, we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: be able to put on the biggest fights and you know, yep,
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  Speaker 4: yep yeah. Uh PBC Premiere Boxing Champions. They announced they're
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  Speaker 4: officially now on the Zone exclusively and streaming platform.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: You know few for those of you that remember back
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  Speaker 4: in the day when PBC started, their whole thing was
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  Speaker 4: trying to get more fights onto broadcast TV.
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  Speaker 1: And they want to bring them to network TV, so CBS, Fox, ABC,
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  Speaker 1: like the channels that you don't need, you didn't need
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  Speaker 1: cable for that was original goal. However, it took a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money to do that, and they were they're
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  Speaker 1: overpaying so many boxers and doing that and they didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to do. So that was their biggest mistake, paying
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  Speaker 1: guys that were champs, that were like top ten fighters cool.
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  Speaker 1: They were over paying the middle guys and that was
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  Speaker 1: the issue.
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  Speaker 2: You're paying the Robert Carson Guerrero types, that was the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Like those mid tier guys. Paying those guys seven figures
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  Speaker 1: was awful because what happened is you inflated the market
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  Speaker 1: so bad that you end up running out of money
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  Speaker 1: because only so much money the networks have, no matter
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  Speaker 1: what we all think, they all have budgets, and you
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  Speaker 1: guys stay within said budget. Once you start paying the
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  Speaker 1: middle it's never gonna work out. Plus, guys started chilling, like,
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  Speaker 1: guys did not box as often as they could have
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  Speaker 1: or should have because of that. It was like it
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  Speaker 1: was basically free money. The networks allowed it. Allotted so
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  Speaker 1: much money and then god, like, well shit, I made
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  Speaker 1: five million in this fight. I'm not I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: five million dollar fighter, but I made five million this fight,
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  Speaker 1: plus a little bit of the gate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to fight three months. I ain't got
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  Speaker 1: to fight in six months. I can fight once, I
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  Speaker 1: mean nine in the twelve months, and I'm good and
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  Speaker 1: that's what that's the mental of a lot of fighters
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  Speaker 1: these days.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's absolutely true. And you know I didn't look
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  Speaker 4: this up before in the show, but I just checked out.
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  Speaker 4: So they PBC when they started head signed deals with
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  Speaker 4: NBC Sports, CBS Sports, uh, Spike TV. So yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: now you know they've been putting on less and less events.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's actually a timeline of you know, the
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  Speaker 4: fewer fights a year and everything, and now it's the
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  Speaker 4: complete opposite of how they started, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Only streaming.
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  Speaker 4: It seems to be the only promoter holding it down
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  Speaker 4: for broadcast TV is top Rank because now they've got
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  Speaker 4: a monthly fight on TNT, which we talked about last episode.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just is this crazy? I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's it should be a little bit of both.
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  Speaker 4: It should be a little bit more outreach to you know,
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  Speaker 4: regular TV, even basic cable if not you know, a
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  Speaker 4: TV network then you know, like a TNT, like you
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  Speaker 4: know those guys USA Network, all those guys that during
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  Speaker 4: the Kail package. ESPN is still working with Jake Paul
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  Speaker 4: and women's boxing, which I think is cool. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's Yes, there is a thing that's the wave of
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  Speaker 4: the future and everybody's going that way, but there is
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  Speaker 4: still something to be said where people kind of go
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  Speaker 4: back to the how the old ways work. Totally unrelated
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  Speaker 4: example to boxing, but you know, in the last couple
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  Speaker 4: of months, kids have been going back to the movie
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  Speaker 4: theaters in droves.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's a couple of new horror.
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  Speaker 4: Movies, obsession and back rooms making lots of money, and
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  Speaker 4: it's all you know, gen zs. So let's say, I
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  Speaker 4: think personally we shouldn't just completely throw out the old
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  Speaker 4: ways out the window and just ignore broadcast TV, you know,
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  Speaker 4: basic cable.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it is, it's very clearly a
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  Speaker 3: sign of the times. But I can't say I'm thrilled
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how you feel about, you know, just
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  Speaker 4: about boxing making defense when there's less and less availability
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  Speaker 4: that's not on streaming.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I whenever you can get boxing
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  Speaker 1: on network television, it's a good thing. Like the Abdulah
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  Speaker 1: Mason fight being on TNT was a very good thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very very like that. That's important for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of reasons. One, a lot of people watch fights
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  Speaker 1: at bars and restaurants. Every bar and restaurant got TNT
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  Speaker 1: one way or another. Everybody got streaming. That's just how
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  Speaker 1: it goes. You would think that now and you're twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six years I got smart TVs. Not necessarily the case.
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  Speaker 1: So I am in favor of having options. I am
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  Speaker 1: in favor of most sporting events are on both streaming
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  Speaker 1: and regular television. So if one's on T and T
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  Speaker 1: and it's still on his own app, everybody wins. And
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  Speaker 1: I think the more outlets you have the better.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Also, here's the thing too, that people don't realize these
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  Speaker 1: channels need live content. So all these networks, all these apps,
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  Speaker 1: all these TV companies, they all need live content. So
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm so difficult on boxing, because y'all have
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: enough fights to make you guys can solve a lot
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: of issues. Got to make set fights and make sure
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: they're good. But do you guys have enough boxes to
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: fight basic every weekend if we wanted to. My thing
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: is this, I don't want to get to the point
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: where we got to act, Oh what channel is the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: fight on. I want to get to the point where
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: we know every fight it's either on T N, T, TBS,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: or it's on whatever channel like, I don't want to
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: get to the point where oh we got do we
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: got that channel?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Or do you got download? What do you how many?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Nah?
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: That ain't it.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: So hopefully going forward it becomes one solution, not like oh,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: it's on ESPN Plus this day and it's on Amazon
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: and next like that.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: It's tougher.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: You're taking your clientele ran it because remember where you
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: road to the young, there's a lot of old people
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: who don't fuck with apps. They don't focus streaming, they
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: don't do all that download and shit, they're not doing that.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: So if you can have it on network TV, it
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: makes things better for everyone involved. Plus, the marketing is
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: better on network television than is on the streaming apps.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: The marketing itself of events, both current and upcoming, is
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: way better than things they're thrown on on apps.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's not forget PBC for a while was
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: doing Amazon Prime fights, And you know, I hate to
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: be disrespectful to the Zone because they've they've been a
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: big name in boxing. They put together you know, big fights,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: it's been to go to places. But for just a
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: regular person, there's a difference between saying the Zone and
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: saying Amazon Primer, Netflix you know, when it comes to
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: where you can watch a fight. I don't think the
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: zone is a household name. We know it because we're
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: boxing fans. You're talking about how a lot of bars
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: and restaurants, not a lot of them have streaming, but
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: they're more likely to have Amazon Prime and Netflix on
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: you know, at least the app available on the TV. Hell,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: so many TVs now come with your remote has Netflix
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: buttons on it that I accidentally push.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: You gotta understand a lot of people don't update ATVs
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: That's true, you know a lot of and also a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: lot of people got table deals through direct TV or
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: cocks to where they pay a higher rate.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Because they're a business, so they don't necessarily have the
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: whole streaming.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Thing like that. You would hope though, that people who
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: have updated TVs, but most places, man, you'd be surprised
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: they're not. They're not. They're not.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: They're not thinking like that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: They're thinking, Hey, as long as ESPN works, we'll figure
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: everything else out. They're not really tripping on having the
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: most updated electronics.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a bummer because you know, I'm sure
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: not every fight is a big giant pay per view
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: fight with with you know, a lot of anticipation. But
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: as a boxing fan, I want to be able to
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: go out on a Saturday night, sit at a bar
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: and just catch whatever whoever is fighting on ESPN, TNT
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: that night.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: And I don't want to ask the poor.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Bartenders overworld, bartenders at my neighborhood dive bars to download
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: the zone. If they let me downloaded and log in,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: that's cool, But it's just it's it's just a lot,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: you know, It's yeah, it's a lot.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: So another thing you have to mention here too.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: You know, you go to the the what do they
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: call the press release and of course, like I said,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: PBC sing where all the major promoters are on his own,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: we'll be able to bring you the biggest fights, the
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: biggest names, et cetera. Sean Porter actually from the show.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Sean Porter he mentioned a while back that being on
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: the same platform is not the same thing as being
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: under the same umbrella. All of these promoters are on
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: that platform, uh, and he said, you know, it's not
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: necessarily going to make it that much easier to you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: cross promote fights and and you know, make more events.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know how any of that works.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: But I will say they're kind of making it seem
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: like everybody's here and everybody who's on the zone.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Can fight anybody. And I don't think that's what that's true.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we gotta we gotta
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: constant slow things down a little bit. It's good that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: we are having a concentration of things being on TV
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: one way or another, because six months ago we had
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: different conversation. We didn't think boxing was gonna be on
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: TV going forward that much. We thought it was gonna
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: be apps and streaming only.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So first things first, kind of slow down a little bit.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Secondly, we have to realize that in this day and age,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: all these networks, all these companies need live content, so
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: boxing is always going to find a way to be
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: on TV one way or another. However, the one thing
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: that I think would benefit boxing more than anything is
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: having really good fights on a channel that everybody got.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But if you got three back to back weekends of
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: great boxing on TNT, the average person, not you and I,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: but the average Joe blow that tunes into sports whenever
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: they have time, Like damn, the last three boxing matches
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I watched We're Really Good on TNT on Saturday. That's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: what boxing needs. It's not about the you and I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: s of the world. We're gonna watch or fall along with.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Regardless of course, boxing needs to get the casual fan back.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: That's the issue that they're having is getting the casual
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: fan back and then where to watch the fights at That,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to me is the most important thing that boxing is
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a constraint on.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: And another thing too, just we got to make sure
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: that we are very clear about our biases and where
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: we live were you and I were both in the
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: United States. Like I said, the Zone is not a
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: household name. It's a British brand. I don't know if
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: maybe out in you know, British Land, that everybody knows.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: What the hell this is. It's possible, I don't know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: but just yeah, the average sports fan, even somebody. There's
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that I've.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Spoken to, you know, throughout the course of doing the
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: show who have watched boxing, but they say, oh, yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I haven't kept.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Up within like ten years, fifteen years.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: If I tell somebody, man, you got to watch this
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: fight this weekend. It's on ESPN, It's on Netflix, et cetera.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: That's going to be a little easier to you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: hook them back. But you say, download his own started
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: to count that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And also here's the thing too.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: But one thing I will say about the UFC is this,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of it, but they do
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: have a lot of fights damn every weekend, and you
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: know where to kind of find it that Paramount plus
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: has the has a contract. So if you have Paramount Plus,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you can watch all the fights all the time. If
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you're a casual person, you know when are you here,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Hey there's a UFC card, you know where to go,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you know what's going to be on. That's that it's
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: hard to it's hard to compete against that because you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: got to remember the casual fan. It's not boxing versus UFC.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: You're as you're competing for that window of time that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: casual fan has. So it's not just hey, if you
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: don't wall at UFC your boxing, it's hey, I got
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: an hour to watch sports, and wich sport is the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: best option at this time.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: That's why I think boxing has to understand is.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Like you got to make your product and make your
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you gotta make your for very very enticing to the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: regular person.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I think we've got it.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Used to be that way because we had HBO, we
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: had ESPN, we had all these channels and all these fights.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: But we've gotten so much away from that. I don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: know if we can get it back.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But we have a lot of good young fighters that
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: are currently fighting a lot of different visions. I think
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: that is a promising thing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree absolutely that in terms of, you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the fighting for people's time. But fellas everybody, what better
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: sports than the one that doesn't have overtime? You know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: that doesn't have timeouts, they don't have time added at
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the end of the match like soccer does at.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: The World Cup. So it's just like, this is the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: perfect sport for that.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: You know exactly how much, how long it's gonna last,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: you can set your watch by it. But yeah, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: mean another thing too, that's a difference between UFC being
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: on Paramount and I promise again I'm not doing this
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: this shit on his own. I'm just you know, being
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: realistic about the differences here is that Paramount has other
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: TV shows. They got believe that's where all the Star
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Trek shows are on. You know, they've got Comedy Central.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: If I remember all that stuff there, So if you're
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: a fan, you're getting other things. I don't know what
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: else I would watch on the Zone if I you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: if I was going to try to sell it to
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: somebody other than a boxing fan, you know, original content,
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: any of that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I know they have f one.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: But in terms of yeah, Paramout, I would one hundred
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: I would be one hundred times more likely to sign
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: up for Paramount Plus than the Zone if I wanted
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: like a full range of options to watch.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: But right, but yeah, I mean same thing.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: We'll just kind of keep an eye on what matches
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: are gonna happen. It's we're all coming back to the
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: same thing as far as I'm concerned, is Okay, you
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: know your contracts with this network, with this fight er,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: this and that, show me some show me some names
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: blank versus blank, and you know, give me some dates,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: who's coming up, who's got who's got a big, a
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: big event coming And that's when I'll that's what I'll
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: decide if I really mess with you or not. Whether
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: it's you know, an app, a promoter, it all comes
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: down to that. So but yeah, the thing we already
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: mentioned this, But since we're harping on boxing being on
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: network TV for anybody. August first is the next event
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: on TNT for Lamont Roach versus William Sepeta. So I
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: think we should really start hitting that and getting more
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: people to watch, because right now T and T fights
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: are once a month. But if this is success, maybe
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: two maybe more times a month.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, especially especially before football season, because once football comes,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it is what it is like. You know, this country,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: football is king, so you can get multiple fights and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that's good. But no, that's a that's a good fight.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You're you mentioned, that's a very good colle It's a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: very good fight. Both guys are kind of in the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: same position career wise, so that's a really good situation.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and forgive my ignorance on this, but when does
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the NFL season start again?
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: College football starts around Labor Day. NFL starts to at
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the week the the Thursday after Labor Day. Okay, got
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: right on the same time. So again we got like
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: two months BEFOREFL starts roughly, but TANT has college football,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and college football starts basically the first week is September.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So they got time.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: But it's one of those things the where right now
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of time to market items and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: market events. That's the key.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: You're only as good as your marketing. You're only as
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: good as your market will come to sports.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Sure, and the good thing we had talked about tail
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Female versus early before and since then it has actually
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: been calendar for August twenty second, which is great.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: You know they're sliding in before that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Canelo Versus and Billie was in September. But for those
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: of you who don't know, he got pushed to October.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't see a reason why.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Hopefully it's not Canello's injury, you know, still getting them
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: in trouble because I don't want to see my man
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: absolutely destroyed in the ring.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: It's one thing to lose to butt and you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: put into these performance, but I don't want to see
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: him injured and get just pubbled demolished to barriess, you.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Know, right.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: But well we'll be give me an eye on that
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: We know the story that came up over the weekend,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: said pop Up on TikTok. His old friend of boxing
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Adier and Browner is staging a comeback. He has he's
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: a streamer now, which I actually didn't know. I don't
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: really follow, you know, fighter his personal life outside of
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the ring that much. But yeah, he's been doing on
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: the network Kick Streamer Kick, and he's doing a forty
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: five day workout of thon, you know, streaming himself going
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: hard at the gym every single day for a potential fight.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And I think he said in the next three months
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: or so.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Which is a little crazy, But I don't know, let's
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: start with this specifically in terms of him coming back
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: to the ring, because he's been very out of shape. He's,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: you know, did a lot of drinking. He said, he's
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: sober now and he's focusing hard. How realistic is it
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: for a fighter that has been that bad of shape
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: to come back to the ring in three months, Jamison,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: In your opinion.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's that far off, to be honest
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: He's still an athlete, and those athletes, the guys are
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that caliber, they tend to be able to lose a
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: lot of weight and they're very disciplined. So if he
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: needs to shed forty pounds and he needs to get
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: back in fighting shape, he knows how to do that.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It's not like it's a mystery. Like his regular person, his.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Body is different now, he's in a lot of damage
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to his body, you know, the alcohol, drugs, et cetera.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: It's gonna take a toll, no doubt, but him taking
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: this seriously is a whole different thing. So we'll see
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: what happens. Him getting in shape is good in general,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: but also he understands the audience he has. If he's
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: training for a fight in streaming every day, he will
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: have one of the most most watched boxing matches in
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a long time. Not necessarily all his fans will be
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: boxing fans, but there are fans of him and his
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: personality and what he brings to the table. So it'll
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens, if it happens. But
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: it is a very unique situation opportunity that really haven't
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: seen before, because like Jake Paul, yes he's a streamer,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: but that's not his main thing. Andre and Browner right
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: now is more known as a streamer than a boxer
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to young people. So if young people tune in and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: watch or want to watch him fight and he does
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: well on set fight, he's gonna be fighting again and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: again and again. So I'm very curiously what happens. I'm
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: very curious even to be disciplined. He wasn't disciplined in
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: his first go around in his career. But we'll see
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: people change, people mature. And also I do think that
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: having something taken away from you and being able to
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: reflect on what happened and how it happened, it can
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: change the person. Not saying it will, I'm not making
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: any promises. I don't want to speak for another row man.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I think that when you look back at damn I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: used to do this, or damn I used to do that,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it changed something inside you. It burns a fire inside
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you that you.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: May or may not have had.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: And what you mentioned about how Adrian Browner is right
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: now more of a streamer than a boxer, but he
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: also was a legitimate boxer.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jake Bowl had a lot of fans from streaming
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: that weren't boxing fans, but he was never a real boxer.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: So I think that's a little bit more likely to not.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Just bring a lot of fans, but keep a lot
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: of fans, Like I said, if he's going to be
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: fighting more often. Another thing, too, is that I have
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: personal experience with knowing. Let's see how I'm gonna say
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: this knowing athletes that are no longer into shape but
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: still have the mental guy, they're able to be guides
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: because of what they used to know. Shout out to
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: my buddy Adam. Back when I was taking boxing classes,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: my buddy used to he did.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: What is an Ironman triathlon?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Is that what? Yeah?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And so you know he's he's an older fella.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Now he's in his mid to late forties, and you
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: know he wasn't in the best shape, but he actually
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: did a lot of help training me in between, you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: outside of the gym, with you know, how to run
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: and technique and this and that. And I admit at
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: the time I was like, bro, you're a fat guy,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Like how do you know all this? But that training,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: that intensity and the knowledge too of just you run
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: in this position, ship like this, you know your core
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: this is that that stuff doesn't go away.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So also staying with an alcohol, the alcohol is the
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: issue with Adrian Broner. He drink. He used to drink
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: a lot, like a whole lot. Seeing in his face,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you can see in his pores, you can see it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Like the alcohol is the issue. If he could stay
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: out the alcohol for three months, we'll see I'm not
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: saying he can. I cannot, but I'm caustiously optimistic. But
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: staying away from the alcohol is the only way you
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: get in shape. When you had those issues he has,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and you have the alcohol gut that he has. He
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: asked basically detox his body and we'll see if that works.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and actually probably should have started here for folks
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: who may not know, but Adrian Browner was a very
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: talented and hype of fighter early two thousands.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: His big period was like twenty tens twenty eleven. Is
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: really came on the scene.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it really came on the scene. And just what
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: looked amazing you look back his highlights in the ring,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: he looked absolutely amazing. Completely career, completely off the rails,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: not just yet from not taking it seriously partying legal issues,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: got a.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Arrested a bunch of time.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: There's a whole it's one of those wikipedias with legal
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: issues has its own section.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's wild.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: So he turned down five years, forty million dollars or
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: forty five million dollars for rock Nation, and nothing ever
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: went this, Nothing ever went right after that. Everything got
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: worse after that, And I mean, who knows what the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: deal entailed, but whatever it was, it was better than
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: when it ended up happening. And that's unfortunate because you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: don't get that money back. Once you turn down that money,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: that money doesn't come back, especially with his situation. So
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it's all that being said, it is what it is.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I do hope and wish the best for him. He
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: feels like it's a genuine opportunity to come back in
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the sport and feel like he does love boxing, so
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I'm always in favor of that.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: So we'll see.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: But man, the drinking is going to be the biggest
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: issue because once you're basically an attic of that, that's
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the thing that puts on the most pounds. So if
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he stays away from it, then yeah, he'll get in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: shaped very quickly. But that it's hard.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: The little is hard.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not driving funny and not trying to be advocate
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: like that. It's hardshed with a bottle. It's very difficult.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I mean even when I was working out, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: even up to six days a week, I never stopped drinking.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Sure I tempered it a little bit because I like
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: to have a nice drink, but yeah, yeah, no, that's different.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: That's different, but I definitely saw. I'll put it to
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: you this way. I knew as hard as I was working,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: like shortly after the Rona, because I got really really
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: fat during the Rona, and then after that I got
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: in very good shape.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: But I knew you could feel it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: It's like if I used to stopped drinking entirely, I
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: would have looked like Daniel Craig coming out of the water.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: But I was happy. I wasn't like, you know, miserable.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I wasn't.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Also, you know, I was eating healthy. I wasn't starving
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: myself or anything like that. I just upped how hard
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I was working at the gym, like I don't know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: one hundred times compared to what it was before that. Yeah,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: but yeah, no, definitely you could you And also you
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: can feel in your body you know what you eat
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: and what you drink. Even if we were working out
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: really hard, I feel like you get in tuned with that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: You're like that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Probably yeah, that off set that weekend offset like one
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: day of working out for the whole week, you know
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: what I mean. But anyway, No, it's getting back to
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: tadrim Burger specifically. So, yeah, it's been over over ten
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: years like fifteen years or so since he was at
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: his prime. Sa cour Stevenson mentioned him and saying, oh,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: it'd be great to be coming back, you know, definitely
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: would be good for boxing in your opinion. We talked
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: about how he's gonna have young fans from the stream,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: but how much is the boxing.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: World gonna care?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: How old does he still remember today? At fifteen years
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: old time.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: He's definitely remembered. That's that's not a man. He's not
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: remembered for a great things, but he's definitely remembered.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: He's one of those things to where I don't think
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: when a title belt first fight, I don't think he's
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: at that point. But he definitely gets somebody. He's in shape,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he can give somebody a decent fight. The thing what
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Adrian Browner is his power never came up with him
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to one seven his best power that one thirty one
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: thirty five. His power never moved up. And that was
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the biggest issue. Because you don't throw a lot and
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you're not powerful, you're not a good fighter. So he
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't throwing a lot in fights, and the fight, the
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: shots who was landing wasn't really hurting people.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna really work.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: So for me and my eyes, in my opinion, him
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: being in shape as the number one thing, and then
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: two putting together good fights. He's being competitive in fights
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: would be a plus. Expecting him to win a belt,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that's not fair. That's that's that's out, that's not right.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: But he comes back in shape box as well, and
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: who knows two fights from then, he's still relatively young.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I think he's still in his thirties.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So it's not that it's not that bad, but it's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: hard about against the guy that has shown you nothing
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: but destruction over the last ten to fifteen years.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: It's very difficult.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's thirty six right now, and yeah, I looked up.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: So it was the welterweight fight against the Madonna that
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: was his first loss, and that's one that you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: everybody says after that, nothing was the same.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Uh, Well, remember that fight, he came in like ten
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: people and left with two. Remember that's when where he
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: needed help back to the ring. So before the fight,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: everything's good, party music's loud, blah blah blah, and that
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: fight didn't end well and he ended up getting carried
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: back to the locker room with two people. So It
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: just gives you a you know, it signifies how this
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: thing goes. And that's kind of like life. You're on
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: top of the world, everybody's there, everybody loves you. You
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: ain't you ain't. So he got one more shot. It'll
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see what happens. It'll be covered a lot,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: it'll be marketed well, so we'll see. I wouldn't bet
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: on him doing anything great, but I hope he does.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's of course he's talking about, oh he
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: wants to be a CHAMPI again, he wants to, you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: get his world title, this and that. But I don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: know should temporary expectations? Also, did you I saw this
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: because I was looking up some stats and I saw
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: that he actually fought in twenty twenty four?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Did you know that? I did not know that? No, yeah,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: I suppose he had. He had a fight in twenty
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: twenty four. I don't know. I remember against whom or
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: like what the result The result was that he lost,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: but where what?
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Like, I know, part part of a reason is wondering,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: like how much boxing is gonna care if he comes back?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Is this technically he never really left for that log.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: He's in name so people always remember him as a name,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: whether he was good or not, or over it or not,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: it's a whole different question. But he's in names. People
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: remember names and remembered, and his name is in the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: news lot more than it used to be, so he'll
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: definitely remember.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought Blair Cobbs in June of twenty twenty
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: four in Hollywood, Florida, So you know that's probably about
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: where where he would have been at that point.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, I also, I'm forty, I'm an old man.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: I know of kick streaming, but I don't know, like
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: how popular it is if it's all I see, if
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: I was very popular, That's what I was wondering.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: So you know, is he does? He have a big
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: fan base there.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: He's making more money off stream than he did in boxing.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, I know it's I feel like the
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Grand BV like reading us like twitch alternative called kick.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: But I know that it's a thing, so I'm not
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: trying to be here like I'm clueless, but I just
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, what what's the following? And you know
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: how big of a deal it is? But but yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. We'll see his goal is
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: he's okay.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: So he stated that his goal is a fight in
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: a brown three months from now, So would put us
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: in October. How let's say that he does get in
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: shape and he is able to get back in the ring.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Is that even realistic in terms of the.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Logistics and all of that, Like, might we see him back?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: It can be the biggest issue that was still the fighting,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Like last time we saw him fight wasn't good. And again,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: if you're not a busy fighter, you're not a powerful fighter,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: then what the fuck are you? Like?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Fascin thing? You can either be one of the other.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: You can be both.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You can't be sitting around waiting for a big shot,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and you also can't be not active. Doesn't quite work
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. And if his power doesn't translate, his power
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: is not.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: If his power doesn't put anyone down or buckle anybody,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: he's just another guy. So I think there is a
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: redemption story here, but also reality based off what we've
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: already seen, and I think that it would be we'd
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: be fools be like, oh he can do this automatically. No, no, no, no,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: because last time he saw him fight it wasn't like that.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens again Bruney for him, I
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: always want to see success stories of boxing.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I just think this one's gonna be what's gonna be.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Well, and another thing too, And I say I talk,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: I talk big for somebody that's never actually done anything
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: professional or but people got to remember with age, you
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: have to be smart about what you're focusing on. And
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: you know, let's take Prime Canelo, who is always really fast,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: good defense. As he got older, he got bigger, beef,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: hear and he got stronger, always a big power puncher,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: but focused on that more than defense. And you just
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: got to know where your your body is gonna has
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: to be, where your niche is going to be. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: if people maybe kind of try, they try too hard
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: to get back to where they were ten years ago,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: fifteen years ago, it's not good that that does not
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: turn out well, uh for a lot of people. So
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: hopefully he's got smart you know, uh smart trainer is
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: a smart corner.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Of this and that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: But it'll be I'll be interesting to see. I think
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I'm most.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Curious to see, like I said, how big of a
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: deal it's going to be, how much hype it's going
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: to have if he does have a fight anounce.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, him getting into shape and being able to fight
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: is cool. But I don't know, it's just it's I
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I haven't how about that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I haven't thought about Adrian Brunner at all until we
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: started making this show.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: That that to me was there was nothing to talk about.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing to talk about for the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: longest time. But if he's gonna get in shape and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: he's gonna try to fight, it is what it is.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things where we'll see it out.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, I have my reason of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: what will happen. Is that deprend who the punter is.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I mean it is what it is. It's,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you know, not crazy. This is what it is. Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Well cool.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: We'll leave it here for now, and we'll, you know,
• 40:10
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• 40:13
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• 40:14
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