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Patio Hariscope - Breaking down Week One Games with Joseph Lisi · The Jake Wimberly Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome in. It's Monday night. Welcome into the Patio Heroscope.
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  Speaker 1: It is Monday night, a long Monday, but a fun Monday. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we've made it. College football week one. We had college
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  Speaker 1: football week zero. And, of course, now we're on to
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  Speaker 1: week one. We're going to have Joseph Lissy, goforthetwo.com, SiriusXM,
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  Speaker 1: Joining us, talking week one college football. But first, let's
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  Speaker 1: jump right to it and bring in our man, Joseph Lissy,
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  Speaker 1: who you can find him on X. You can find
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  Speaker 1: him on all the platforms there as well. Joseph, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much. It is Monday. We're in week one, friend.
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  Speaker 1: We made it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it feels good, doesn't it, Jake? I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: was great action, too, for Week Zero. It was an
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  Speaker 2: untypical type of Week Zero slate because usually you have
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  Speaker 2: one game. Maybe that is meaningful outside of that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's all like, you know, FBS versus FCS opponents. But
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  Speaker 2: we had three really or four really good games that
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  Speaker 2: played out, including that North Dakota State-Jacksonville State game in Fargo.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was amazing when you saw all four
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  Speaker 2: performances played Granted, the ACC stepped forward. Now, there was
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  Speaker 2: one conference game with Virginia and NC State, but the
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  Speaker 2: other two games, Stanford and North Carolina stepping up. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's great for the conference entering week number one. No,
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: And we got several big games that we want to
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  Speaker 1: get to. Let's go Thursday night first. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: Thursday night. We got a Thursday night slate full of games.
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  Speaker 1: You know how the first weekend is. We got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Thursday, a lot of Friday, Saturday, one Sunday
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  Speaker 1: or two, and then one on Monday. Georgia Tech. is
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  Speaker 1: taking on Colorado. And I'm interested in this ballgame. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be doing junior college football here in the state, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll be keeping an eye on it. Georgia Tech is
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  Speaker 1: a seven-point favorite. I'm looking at lines courtesy of ESPN.
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  Speaker 1: You can get these shops at my bookie at, you know, DraftKings,
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  Speaker 1: all the shops out there. Totals at 50 and a half.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I saw a stat the other day that
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  Speaker 1: said Colorado viewing experience has dropped about 60% since Deion
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  Speaker 1: Sanders took over in 2023 or 2024. What does he
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  Speaker 1: need to do? Can they make this a game on Thursday?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they can, and it's going to hinge
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  Speaker 2: on a couple of factors. I'm interested as well because
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  Speaker 2: from an ACC perspective, I actually believe Georgia Tech can
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  Speaker 2: be a contender. Now, this is an out-of-conference game, and
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  Speaker 2: they played week number one last year where Haynes King
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  Speaker 2: of Georgia Tech pulled it out with a fourth-quarter drive
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  Speaker 2: and got the cover. They won that game, I believe, 27-13.
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  Speaker 2: to 20. But if Colorado is going to make a
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  Speaker 2: game of it on the road against a very physical
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  Speaker 2: Georgia Tech offense and defensive line, they need to do
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  Speaker 2: two things. They need to run the football. And they
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  Speaker 2: need to get some quarterback pressures. The reason why I
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  Speaker 2: say that is you look at Colorado last year, Jake,
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  Speaker 2: they were only average 122 rushing yards per game. That
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  Speaker 2: was bottom third of FBS. And in 12 games, the
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  Speaker 2: front seven only recorded 13 sacks. I don't care who
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  Speaker 2: you're playing. That's an average of basically one per game.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's Alberto Mendoza making his first career start,
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  Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, you have Justice Sainz,
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  Speaker 2: you have Malachi Hosley, and you have a Georgia Tech
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  Speaker 2: offense that averaged 197 yards on the ground last year.
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  Speaker 2: Every time they rushed for over 200, they were undefeated.
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  Speaker 2: They won those five FBS games by an average margin
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  Speaker 2: of victory of two touchdowns, 14 touchdowns. point one points
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  Speaker 2: per game if georgia tech can run it they'll cover
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  Speaker 2: this number but again it is a tricky number because
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  Speaker 2: i believe when you saw seven and a half's come
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  Speaker 2: into the market when they opened this line we could
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  Speaker 2: get to eight eight and a half and we've gone
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  Speaker 2: the other way and that has me leaning in this
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  Speaker 2: matchup to colorado to potentially keep this game close.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you about Friday.
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  Speaker 2: And I do.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. And, you know, we saw it with
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  Speaker 1: TCU in North Carolina. I mean, I sat right here
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  Speaker 1: and said, hey, I don't care if the line drives
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  Speaker 1: to 10 or 11, take TCU. And we saw how
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  Speaker 1: that happened. And I think we're going to see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these matchups early manifest in a certain that's
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  Speaker 1: similar way because new roster churn. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: look at returning starters around college football, you know, Georgia
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  Speaker 1: and you look at Oregon and some of the others,
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  Speaker 1: they've got, you know, a 14, 15 guy returning starter list.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of guys way down. Something about Friday night
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  Speaker 1: college football. I mean, you may have talked about this
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  Speaker 1: over the years doing these shows together. I can't put
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  Speaker 1: my finger on it, but something always weird happens on
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  Speaker 1: a Friday night. And I don't know if it's to
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  Speaker 1: do with the weird schedule or whatever, but I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at a few games. You know, Oklahoma, UTEP. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma should blow them out. But I am looking at three.
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  Speaker 1: Can Fresno State maybe make it a game against USC
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  Speaker 1: on Friday night? I mean, that line's minus 23 and
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  Speaker 1: a half. Toledo is a 10.5-point underdog against Michigan State.
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  Speaker 1: And then here's Miami taking on Stanford. Any intrigue on
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  Speaker 1: Friday night?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to play it. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: think the one thing, and we'll start with Miami, Stanford,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll work our way back. So the fact that
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  Speaker 2: Stanford played a game already is important, right? And they're
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  Speaker 2: at home in this matchup. with a new quarterback, Darian Menci.
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  Speaker 2: He's a veteran, but he's making his first career start
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  Speaker 2: with huge expectations for Miami. And I think the one
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  Speaker 2: takeaway for Stanford in that game was we knew that
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  Speaker 2: potentially the offensive line would be good. They had three
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  Speaker 2: starters in there coming back, and Micah Ford had a
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  Speaker 2: prop at like 93.5 up against Hawaii. But to see
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  Speaker 2: Davis Warren, who struggled in Michigan's offense, throw for basically, what, 256th?
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  Speaker 2: and lead that team from behind in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 2: you say to yourself, okay, you know, maybe this team
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  Speaker 2: is playing a little bit with house money. And the
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  Speaker 2: line opened up at 21 and a half and was
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  Speaker 2: immediately bet before this game to 23 and a half
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  Speaker 2: because of the speed and athleticism of Miami. But you
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  Speaker 2: know as well as anybody, when you have an East
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  Speaker 2: Coast team traveling out West, anything could happen. And that
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  Speaker 2: is the cause of concern for me. So again, I
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  Speaker 2: think Miami should win and cover this game. But I
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  Speaker 2: tell you what, I might actually take an over, meaning
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  Speaker 2: points are plenty. The way Davis Warren and that team
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  Speaker 2: were able to throw the football, maybe we get points
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  Speaker 2: in that matchup. The other matchup, Michigan State and Toledo.
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  Speaker 2: Michigan State, huge advantage on the offensive line. Toledo was
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  Speaker 2: pretty good in run support last year. I believe they
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  Speaker 2: only allowed in the area, and you got to double
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  Speaker 2: check it, but maybe like 120, 130 rushing yards per game.
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  Speaker 2: But that offensive line for Michigan State, at least listed starters,
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  Speaker 2: they have like a 53-pound difference to the defensive front
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  Speaker 2: of an undermanned Toledo team. You have Patty Fitzgerald coming in,
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  Speaker 2: a blue-collar coach. He predicates offense and defensive line play.
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  Speaker 2: This line opened up at 11.5. I saw 10.5 here
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  Speaker 2: in Jersey. Haven't looked at it. But I would lean
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  Speaker 2: to the under in that matchup. I just think Michigan
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  Speaker 2: State is going to look to run the football, look
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  Speaker 2: to get some continuity with the offensive line. I don't
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  Speaker 2: really like a side. I mean, I probably would lean
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  Speaker 2: to Toledo with the points just because I need to
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  Speaker 2: see Michigan State before I believe it. But I like
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  Speaker 2: the under in that matchup. The USC-Fresno State game, look,
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  Speaker 2: last year USC was undefeated at home. They won the
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  Speaker 2: home games by an average margin of victory of 25.8
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  Speaker 2: points per game. They didn't cover against San Jose State
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  Speaker 2: because he puts in starters in the second half and
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  Speaker 2: they allow 26 points. By the way, that quarterback Weaver
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  Speaker 2: for San Jose State was dealing sevens. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I personally think this is a bad matchup for Fresno State.
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  Speaker 2: I would lean to USC in the under because I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if Fresno State's offense is up to task.
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  Speaker 2: But big picture for USC, I'm still not sold.
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  Speaker 1: This is with Joseph Felicity. Of course, go for the two.com.
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  Speaker 1: Get him on X talking this week of college football
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  Speaker 1: week one. Let's jump into Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So, you know, it's going to be 110 degrees,
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  Speaker 1: or at least it's reported out in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Bama's
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  Speaker 1: a big favorite. They should win big. But what would
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  Speaker 1: you be looking for out of an Alabama-East Carolina game?
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  Speaker 1: What do you want to see?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's the two things. I want to
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  Speaker 2: see how Keelan Russell looks, number one, because big picture,
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  Speaker 2: and I told you this last time, I think DeBoer's
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  Speaker 2: making a mistake. I think he should start Austin Mack
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  Speaker 2: just because of experience. This game really doesn't matter. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it matters for two reasons, and let me just say that.
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  Speaker 2: It matters for Keelan Russell to gain experience. It also
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  Speaker 2: matters to get and erase the negativity of the Indiana blowout, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's all everybody remembers, and they lost this game for
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  Speaker 2: the first time since 2001 to Florida State last year.
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  Speaker 2: So you want to start on a positive foot. But
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  Speaker 2: I want to see two things. I want to see
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  Speaker 2: the Alabama offensive line run the football on an undermanned
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  Speaker 2: East Carolina team. Because last year, one of the worst
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  Speaker 2: performances in Alabama history, basically 3.7 yards per carry. And
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  Speaker 2: I really want to see how Keelan Russell makes his
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  Speaker 2: reads and progressions. Because it really doesn't matter against East Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: But it's going to matter week three against Florida State
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  Speaker 2: and as they inch into SEC competition. Because, again, you
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  Speaker 2: could have all the athleticism. in the world, but if
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't translate between the white lines, I don't care
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  Speaker 2: what you do. I need to see it. And I
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  Speaker 2: need to see it against top 10 competition. And there
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  Speaker 2: is no margin of error for Kalen DeBoer. This isn't
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  Speaker 2: his first year that he can roll the dice. If
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  Speaker 2: they lose a game they shouldn't, Jake, He's going to
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  Speaker 2: face so much pressure the way maybe Brian Kelly faced
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  Speaker 2: in LSU last year, where you better step up and
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  Speaker 2: really show that you're the guy. If not, I think
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  Speaker 2: they would buy him out. I don't think there's any
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  Speaker 2: shot that he's on the sidelines if he loses three
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  Speaker 2: or four games this year.
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  Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. I said it, and we
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  Speaker 1: may have talked about this last week. It was very
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  Speaker 1: perplexing to me. You take two fan bases in the SEC,
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  Speaker 1: Alabama being one, Oklahoma being the other. Both coaches made
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  Speaker 1: the playoff. Both coaches took an exit, one on the
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  Speaker 1: hand of the others. And both coaches got extensions. When
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  Speaker 1: we know if they have three, four, five losses, that
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  Speaker 1: whole thing could go south for either coach. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Brent Venables at Oklahoma and Kalen DeBoer.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but here's the thing. I think if we're putting
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  Speaker 2: Team A against Team B, you say to yourself, okay,
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  Speaker 2: which defense do you believe more in? And for me,
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  Speaker 2: it's Oklahoma. You know, they proved that. And which team
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  Speaker 2: showcased they could go into a road environment at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the regular season and win? And that was Oklahoma, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oklahoma goes into the Neyland Stadium, they win. They went
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  Speaker 2: into Williams-Brice, knock off South Carolina. By the way, that
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  Speaker 2: was the same South Carolina team that pushed Ty Simpson
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  Speaker 2: and Alabama to the limit and almost lost that game.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where Oklahoma dominated by 19 points. So, again, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you're right that Venables, it's a shame. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: a good head coach. I don't know if he's elite.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's Kirby Swartner, but he's a
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  Speaker 2: much better defensive-minded coach and a more physical team at
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  Speaker 2: this point, in my opinion, than Alabama. I think Alabama
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  Speaker 2: plays like a Pac-12 team now as opposed to an
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  Speaker 2: SEC team.
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  Speaker 1: Don, I think they do too. I think they do too.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move into some more Saturday games. Baylor and Auburn.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be a neutral site ballgame. Auburn's
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  Speaker 1: a six-and-a-half point favorite. Alex Golish, first year. You look
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  Speaker 1: at a quarterback that comes over with him from Byron Brown,
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  Speaker 1: who should be, I think, one of the better quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: in the SEC. And D.J. Lagway comes back into the
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  Speaker 1: SEC country. And I found it interesting that his coach,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Aranda, said this offseason, hey, look, he was boxed in.
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  Speaker 1: He was in a straitjacket at Florida. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: cut him loose. Does a cut loose D.J. Lagway, can
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  Speaker 1: they beat Auburn on Saturday?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they can. I mean, I would ask the
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  Speaker 2: bigger question, and this is where I'll get your take
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  Speaker 2: as well. They went from a quarterback of Sawyer Robertson
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  Speaker 2: that could throw for 400 yards a game, and they
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  Speaker 2: had multiple wideouts. They had Josh Cameron. They had... You know,
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  Speaker 2: guys that could burn. And it was Sawyer Robertson basically
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  Speaker 2: throwing 30 and 35 times per game. So when Dave
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  Speaker 2: Aranda says he's going to cut DJ Lagway loose, is
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  Speaker 2: it more running the football or is it more like, hey, DJ,
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  Speaker 2: we want you to fit into the scheme that we
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  Speaker 2: had last year and show that you could throw five wide?
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  Speaker 2: Because that's still, in my opinion, his weakness. If you
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  Speaker 2: tell me that they are more of a methodical ground
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  Speaker 2: and pound where they're going to utilize his size on
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  Speaker 2: the perimeter and we're going to ask him to carry
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  Speaker 2: the football 12 to 15 times, I think they could
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  Speaker 2: be much more effective. in that type of offense than
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  Speaker 2: more of a finesse offense where we're trying to fit
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  Speaker 2: the square peg into the round hole. And let's not forget,
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  Speaker 2: last year, Auburn beat them up in the interior line, right?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Baylor was able to move the football, but
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  Speaker 2: they just couldn't shut down Jackson Arnold and the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: as it related to the rushing attack. So, again, that's
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  Speaker 2: going to be where I believe Byron Brown and Jeremiah
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  Speaker 2: Cobb are going to look to attack them yet again.
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  Speaker 2: If you couldn't stop them last year, and even though
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  Speaker 2: they took in some transfer talent, you're still going to
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  Speaker 2: challenge them between the tackles and see if they could
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  Speaker 2: stop an SEC offensive line. And that's where you say,
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  Speaker 2: can Baylor afford to go into that type of dogfight?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they can. I want to see
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  Speaker 2: what this looks like. I originally thought Baylor would make
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  Speaker 2: this a game because Aranda's on the hot seat. and
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  Speaker 2: Lagway has played in SEC games before, but knowing and
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  Speaker 2: hearing all the reports about, oh, we're going to cut
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  Speaker 2: them loose, I don't know if I like that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if we're developing an offensive game plan around
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  Speaker 2: DJ Lagway's strengths, and that's a concern for me. This
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  Speaker 2: could be a blowout for Auburn in this matchup, Jake.
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  Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, and I like Auburn in
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  Speaker 1: the matchup, and I agree with you. It could be
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  Speaker 1: a second half. ball game where we see them cut
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  Speaker 1: this thing loose right all right let's go to saturday
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  Speaker 1: night down in baton rouge um lsu clemson 10 and
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  Speaker 1: a half point favorite is lsu there's so many storylines
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  Speaker 1: this game but before we do that as you've seen
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  Speaker 1: it this week even today uh the sec will go
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  Speaker 1: to court on thursday about yes it's absolutely crazy i
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  Speaker 1: mean we kick off on thursday and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: court about pro players lsu is all in on this
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  Speaker 1: thing elaine kiffin said today hey i'll i'll tell the players, no,
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  Speaker 1: you can't play if the court thing gets overturned. If not,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to play. We've even had some say inside
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  Speaker 1: SEC circles, you know, they're talking big. Hey, we want
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  Speaker 1: them out of the conference. Does this affect, well, first off,
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on LSU and then what happens in the ballgame?
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  Speaker 1: Does it affect LSU on Saturday night?
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  Speaker 2: So, I don't believe these pro players, and I understand why,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because they lost a year of eligibility with
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  Speaker 2: the 5-for-5. I get that. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, these guys were on NFL rosters. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're no longer college football. I mean, it's bad enough
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  Speaker 2: with the NIL, right? I'm not saying players shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: paid for name, image, and likeness. But we're beyond that
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  Speaker 2: at this point, right? And so now you see LSU
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  Speaker 2: yet again pushing the envelope. Leave it to Lane Kiffin
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  Speaker 2: for finding loopholes. He'll do it. You know, the problem is,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing. You need these players on your roster?
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  Speaker 2: You hired Lane Kiffin because you thought he was significantly
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  Speaker 2: better than Brian Kelly and that the roster that they
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  Speaker 2: had was significantly better than what they performed on the
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  Speaker 2: football field last year. And now you're telling me we
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  Speaker 2: need guys that played at Ole Miss to come in
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  Speaker 2: and shore up the tight ends and the D-line situation.
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  Speaker 2: And for me, I told you last time, The concern
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: isn't the offense entering this year. It was Blake Baker
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: and the defense. And now he needs these players. I mean,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: they need Fibern to come back and be added depth.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: You know, if he gets cut from Tampa Bay, I mean,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: come on. What are we doing here? I just don't understand.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: That being said, I think they're significantly right here better
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: than Clemson. I know that game was close last year.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: That was with Cade Klubnick. That was at home. That
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: luster for Clemson, in my opinion, is significantly worn off. Again,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I brought it up. People don't want to put Dabo
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: on the hot seat. I'm sorry. Listen, I have to
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: look at everything objectively. His two national championships are what
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: makes his legacy. But the last three years, they are
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: not Clemson football. You know, they had a 919 winning percentage.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: in the ACC for nine years from 2014 to 2022.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: They only lost six games in nine, 10 years. They
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: lost nine over the last three years. They only had
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: two home losses in nine years, 10 years. They had
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: lost six home games over three years, including four last year.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: They can't run the football. They averaged $ 1. 23 on the
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: ground last year. And where is the Mike Williams? Where
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: is the Sammy Watkins? Where is, you know, Justin Ross?
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Where are all those guys from the wideout position and
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the wide receiver position that could scoot that made Deshaun
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Watson and Trevor Lawrence? I don't see them. So this
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: should be, honestly, this should be a blowout. If LSU
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't win this game with or without those guys... By 20-plus,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Ling's going to have to hear it because Chris Vazina's
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: an average quarterback. He's not mobile. You know where he's
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: going to be. And again, if that's the offense that
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: they're going to run, right, where Vazina's just going to
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: drop back and pass, he's not going to be mobile
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and put pressure on the perimeter like a Marcel Reed
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: or like a Trinidad Chambliss or like a Talon Green
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: or like a Lenore Sellers. The reason why I'm bringing
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: those guys up is because they have abused LSU defenses.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Look at Jalen Milrow two years ago with Blake Baker,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: 150 yards on the ground, four touchdowns. Nobody wants to
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: call out Blake Baker for that. I don't understand. I
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: really don't. And people call me a homeowner. My daughter
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: did go to LSU last year. She transferred out, but
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I have to look at it objectively. It couldn't get
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: off the field in Oxford. They couldn't get off the
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: field in Nashville. Where is this dominant defense? LSU should
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: win this game by outscoring Clemson by literally 20 points
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and the over should come in. That would be the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: only way to look. And everybody backing Clemson big picture,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I'll just tell people this, and maybe you are. but
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the numbers didn't like correlate to everything because here in
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Jersey about two months, a month and a half ago
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: when they were 16 to 17 to one shots to
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: win the ACC, right? They were 300 to 1 to
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: win a national championship. And they have bet them down
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to 175, right? The book is telling you that if
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: they're going to win the ACC, they're going to be
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: one of the top 12 teams in the country. You're
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: telling me we're tacking a 300 or a 175 number
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to Dabo Sweeney with all his legacy? Something doesn't correlate.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: And to me, it's the players. The luster is worn off.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Until they step up and win, I can't
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: back them.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: No, I agree with you 100%. And, boy, I tell
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you what, if they do somehow take this into the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter Saturday– It would be a win. Wow. It
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: would be a win. And could you imagine if they,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: if they won that game? Good. It would be great.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, they would automatically forget it. They'd be top
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: 15 again. They would be, you know, but their schedule again,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I bet the under seven and a half because they
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: have road games in Cal, you know, that's not an
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: easy game in Berkeley, which AKS, they have some tricky
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: road spots that, you know, people just say, Oh, it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a give me win game. Let's not forget they lost
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: to Syracuse and Duke at home last year. You know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: people forget that. They lost to Ricky Collins after Angele
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: came in, got hurt, and they lost. They lost to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Darian Mensah that put up 45 points on their secondary.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, pathetic. No, it is.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: It is. And let me ask you about one a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: lot of people may not stay up for it. Dan
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Mullen just lost the ballgame to Charles Huff, who did
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: a great job week one with Memphis. UNLV is a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: one-and-a-half-point favorite on the road, I believe, at Hawaii. The
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: reason I bring this up, I don't think Mullen's in
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: any danger of losing his job if they lost his ballgame.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: But he's one of the names that was on the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: short list of guys that could work himself back into
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the power four. If they were to come out slow,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: lose another ballgame, does that kind of take him off
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that list?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, because, again, I think he's similar to the Lincoln
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Riley at Oklahoma– And some of these other coaches that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: took over the programs when it was a train in motion,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you know, credit to Barry Odom. He's in a tough
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: spot in Purdue now with Ryan Brown in that situation
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: with the AD calling out Signetti. Good luck with that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: But that being said, right, Jake? I mean. And I
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: said this at the start. I like Memphis because Huff
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: is a defensive-minded coach, and I took them on Saturday
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: more so because I don't believe in Jackson Arnold. I've
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: watched Jackson Arnold, not just Auburn, but I saw him
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: two years ago at Oxford when he was a deer
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: in the headlights as a freshman. He got sacked multiple
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: times against that front seven. He gets scared. He's one
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of the most sacked quarterbacks. You know, sack rate, I think,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: is like 12%. And it's not just bad offensive line play.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: It's that when the pressure comes, he stops looking downfield
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and worries about protecting the football and then looks to run,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and he's not good. And Alex Orji is a big
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: guy from an RPO perspective, but he can't throw the football.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And so they lost Calandria to Nebraska, which I think
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: he'll help them. But I don't know if this team
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: is as complete as it was last year. And that's
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: what we need to see. That's going to be a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: difficult matchup because, again, Hawaii, if you watch the defensive
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: adjustments that they made against Stanford, they were getting abused
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: in the rushing attack. They made fourth quarter adjustments. They
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: buckled up and really shut down the rushing attack by
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Micah Ford. So not going to be easy for UNLV
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: against Micah Alejandro and Hawaii and Timmy Chang next week.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Let's go to two games on Sunday. First, let's go
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin-Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a big favorite. Wisconsin, Luke Fickle,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: he's on the hot seat. Can Wisconsin keep this thing
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: even close into the fourth quarter?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I don't see how. And I know they have Colton Joseph.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing, again, too, Jake. And maybe, again,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Luke Fickle, his identity is. Because
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: if you take over Wisconsin, He tried to take over.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: He had Billy Edwards that now is starting at North Carolina.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: He had Tyler Van Dyke. He brought in Phil Longo
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: from Ole Miss and North Carolina. And he tried to
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: make this transition of like, hey, I'm going to take
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: over Wisconsin and change the identity. And he hasn't done that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: They lost on the defensive side of the ball. And
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: now the rushing attack is completely gone. So if you
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: can't run the football now with that front seven of
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, Colton Joseph, I don't care how mobile he is,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: they're going to be in third down long situations. He's
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: going to get abused with that secondary. I can only
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: look Notre Dame. I'd be shocked if Wisconsin made this
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: a four-quarter game, but styles make fights. It's in Lambeau.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe they have some house money, but I can't do
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it right here, right now. Ole Miss, Louisville.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Of course, that'll be one of the biggest games of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the weekend. Louisville's sitting around a six-and-a-half to seven-and-a-half point
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: underdog in this game. I love their coaching staff. It
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: was reported today that their starting running back will play
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Trinidad Chambliss. You mentioned him, Keewon Lacey. Pete Golding really
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: trying to put their stamp. They did it in the playoff,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: but now they've got to do it in the regular season.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Any chance Louisville pulls the upset on Sunday?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I know you're in Mississippi, so the
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: one big picture concern from Ole Miss, as I told
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you this too, is that I worry about Pete Golding
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: now with the full season under his belt. Big picture.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: meaning can he maintain that type of momentum that Lane
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: had going last year, and they had Charlie there calling plays,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and they were playing with that mindset and the emotion, right?
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: But in this matchup, what's intriguing is here's the breakdown
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: for me. Louisville had one of the best secondaries in
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: college football in the ACC. They held opposing quarterbacks to
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: 59% completion percentage. They only allowed 15 passing touchdowns. And
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: they held opposing offenses to $ 1. 89 through the year. But
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: as you know, this offense with Ole Miss, minus the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: playmakers that they lost, still have cats that can fly
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: on the outside. And I don't know if they're able
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to contain Trinidad on the perimeter either. This line opened
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: up at 8.5, right? It's down to 6.5. Louisville's going
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: to have to score. And I mean 30, 35 points
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: with or without Charlie Weiss because of Trinidad Chambliss. I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: like Ole Miss here. Again, call me crazy. I don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: think this is the right matchup for Louisville. I like Kleinholz.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I like Jeff Braum as an underdog. But with this team,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: knowing how Trinidad can scoot and stretch you over the top,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: they're going to need to score 35 just to keep pace.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Even if Isaac Brown plays, I don't care. Different animal.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I think they win it in the fourth quarter. It
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me if Ole Miss wins by 17 or more.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: One more, and let's get you on your way here,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate your time on a Monday. SMU, Florida State, SMU,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a small favorite. It's on Monday night. Why does it
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: feel like this is a game where Jennings comes in.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: This is his last year at SMU. They go into
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Tallahassee and have a big night and have their way.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the underdog. So now here's one
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that I sort of, all right, Florida State has an
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: ugly game against New Mexico State, right? It's ugly, right?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: They open at 30 and a half. They run it
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: up to 32 and a half. Norvell needs this game.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: He needs this. He needs that. They look terrible. It
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: reminded me, do you remember when Jacksonville State went in
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: there in his first couple of years and won on
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the Hail Mary game? It had a similar feel to
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: that game where, like, is New Mexico State going to
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: pull this out? Like, I can't believe how bad Florida
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: State's playing. But I talked about it with Coach Fountain today,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and you know, SMU's secondary is suspect. They gave up
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: last year 283 through the year. In their four losses,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: they gave up 343 per game, right? And they allowed
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: 14 touchdowns and two interceptions. This could be the game
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that Florida State attacks them over the top, and all
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: of a sudden we're calling Ashton Daniels the second coming of, like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Peter Tom Willis back in the day
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: with Florida State. The number to me is a little
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: tricky where I'm willing to back. That game, they got abused, remember,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: two years ago in Dallas? They went on there on, like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a Friday night or a Thursday night, or maybe it
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: was a late Saturday night, and they got spanked. They
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: quit on Mike Norvell when they were 2-10. I think
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: they step up. Playing at home in Doe Campbell on
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: a marquee Labor Day night. How about this? Outright. I
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: think they win it outright over SMU.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Very nice. Very nice. Of course, that would be huge
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: for Mike Norvell. Huge.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he's the coach of the year again, right?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Think about this. Let's say they beat SMU next week.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: That stage for September 19th against Alabama. All of a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: sudden now, You know, Florida State undefeated, maybe going into
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Tuscaloosa with the rematch. I'm just saying.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it. Hey, before we let you go,
• 29:34
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• 29:38
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• 30:27
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• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Anytime, Jake. Love the show. Thanks, brother.
• 30:31
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