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Sharri | 6 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News, this is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: It's good to be back at a few days off
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Speaker 3: with the family and of course for Yom Kippur, and
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Speaker 3: there is so much to speak about two years since
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Speaker 3: October seventh. The brother of murdered Australian grandmother, Garlitkaboon, speaks
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Speaker 3: out and he says Australia's recognition of a Palestinian state
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Speaker 3: rewards the.
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Speaker 2: Terrorists who killed her.
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Speaker 3: My exclusive interview with Danny Masner coming up the terror
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Speaker 3: attack in Manchester, Well, why isn't this a wake up
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Speaker 3: call for the Albanezy government? Anti Semitis Amenvoy Jillian Siegel
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Speaker 3: has had enough and she'll be on the show shortly.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty Tonight refuses to rule out a leadership, tilts
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Speaker 3: against Susan Lee as he heads to Canberra and Greta
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Speaker 3: Thunberg's Gaza flotilla busted Israel says there was no aid
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Speaker 3: on the largest vessel, just activists chasing headlines.
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Speaker 2: That's all coming.
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Speaker 3: Up, but let's start with Trump's peace plan. Now Hermas
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Speaker 3: and Israeli negotiators have arrived in Egypt to nut out
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Speaker 3: the final points of the President's twenty one point plan.
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Speaker 3: This could finally end the war and crucially see the
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Speaker 3: return of the hostages. It could mean security for Israel
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Speaker 3: if there is an Arab backed governing body in Gaza,
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Speaker 3: although the plan is far from perfect. Israel would need
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Speaker 3: to release two hundred and fifty Palestinian prisoners currently serving
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Speaker 3: life sentences, many of them are terrorists, and also another
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Speaker 3: one thousand, seven hundred detainees who've been arrested since October seven.
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Speaker 2: And this in return.
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Speaker 3: For forty eight innocent Israeli hostages of her who about
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Speaker 3: twenty are believed to be alive. You'd hardly call this
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Speaker 3: a fair or a good deal, but the President is
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Speaker 3: optimistically trying to talk this plan into existence, claiming all
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Speaker 3: sides have agreed. But you'd have to say that some
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Speaker 3: of Donald Trump's comments over the past week have been
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Speaker 3: difficult to stomach, like his claim that her Mus is
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Speaker 3: ready for peace. Will not even the Arab nations believe this.
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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal reports that when Hermas delivered its
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Speaker 3: acceptance of the Trump plan on Friday night, it loaded
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Speaker 3: it up with caveats, including linking the release of the
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Speaker 3: hostages to an end to the war. And withdrawal by Israel.
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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal reports that some Arab negotiators looked
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Speaker 3: at the response and concluded it was a no. But
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Speaker 3: Trump writing on social media saw it differently. Based on
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Speaker 3: the statement just issued by Hamas, I believe they are
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Speaker 3: ready for a lasting peace. Well, let's be clear here.
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Speaker 3: Hamasa's only goal is to destroy Israel and Jews. They
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Speaker 3: laughed and celebrate it as they murdered hundreds and hundreds
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Speaker 3: of babies, children, girls, women and men on October seven.
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Speaker 3: They don't and they will never want peace. They are extremist,
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Speaker 3: hardline terrorists. But what is happening here is the Hammas
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Speaker 3: billionaire leaders based offshore are being forced by Qatar and
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Speaker 3: Turkey to agree to this deal and end the war. Now,
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Speaker 3: there are clearly threats, ultimatums and promises being made behind
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Speaker 3: the scenes that we don't yet know about. And there's
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Speaker 3: also a big disconnect between the Hamas billionaire leaders in
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Speaker 3: Qatar and the Harmaskt terrorists on the ground in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: And now this is a crucial point.
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Speaker 3: So Qatar and the Hamas billionaire leaders may have decided
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Speaker 3: it's time for the war to end, but they need
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Speaker 3: to get the terrorists too, are scurrying like cockroaches in
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Speaker 3: the Gaza tunnels to agree to release the hostages, and
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Speaker 3: I remain skeptical despite Trump and even Netteyahu's optimism. I'll
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Speaker 3: believe it when I see it now if it does eventuate,
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Speaker 3: The inescapable conclusion is that America's supposed ally Qatar, could
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Speaker 3: have forced the release of the hostages far sooner now.
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Speaker 3: Trump has insisted that Qatar is such a firm friend
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Speaker 3: that any attack on its sovereignty would be treated as
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Speaker 3: an attack on America. Well, in my mind, Katar is
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Speaker 3: more of an enemy than a part na. It has
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Speaker 3: been harboring hermus and financing Palestinian terrorism, terrorism that, by
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Speaker 3: the way, killed Americans, not just di Israelis. Now the
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Speaker 3: Free Press has investigated how members of Katar's royal family
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Speaker 3: openly express support for Hamas they reported. Shaikha Mosa bin Nassa,
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Speaker 3: the mother of Katar Zamir and the chairperson of an
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Speaker 3: educational nonprofit funneling millions into American schools, praised the mastermind
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Speaker 3: of the October seven massacre, ya Yasinwa. He will live on,
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Speaker 3: she wrote on x after his death last year, and
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Speaker 3: they will be gone, and it's worth keeping in mind
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Speaker 3: the extensive financial ties as well between the Trump world
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Speaker 3: and Katar. For example, the Trump Organization, managed by Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump Junior, is building a new luxury golf resort near Doha,
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Speaker 3: and it's in partnership with a Guitari company. But putting
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Speaker 3: this aside, credit where credit is due, and it is
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Speaker 3: only President Trump that could have brought together the Arab
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Speaker 3: nations to a point where a deal to end the
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Speaker 3: war and release the hostages is imminent. And ironically, it
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Speaker 3: was Israel's strike on the Harmas leadership in Qatar that
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Speaker 3: prompted this piece deal, as the Wall Street Journal reports. Now,
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Speaker 3: let's be very clear, the Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanzi
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Speaker 3: was nowhere near any of this, yet he's bizarrely trying
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Speaker 3: to take credit for it.
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Speaker 1: What a joke.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, Albinizi and his team of no Hope is literally
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Speaker 3: had nothing to do with this. Jared Kushner, Steve Whitcoff,
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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio, Ron Dermer, and senior officials from Qatar and
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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia were central to the negotiations around this peace deal,
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Speaker 3: and Trump's deal is far removed from Anthony Albertesi's vision,
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Speaker 3: which relied on the Palestinian Authority to fix the disaster.
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Speaker 3: It is partly responsible for Mahmud Abas he's the Palestinian
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Speaker 3: Authority president.
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Speaker 2: He was going to govern Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Albanezi spoke to him personally, and he said that Mahmud
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Speaker 3: had promised far fetched reforms, including no longer paying salaries
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Speaker 3: to the families of terrorists.
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Speaker 4: The Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed it recognizes Israel's right to
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Speaker 4: exist in peace and security. It has committed to de
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Speaker 4: militarize and to hold general elections. It has pledged to
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Speaker 4: abolish the system of payments to the families of prisoners
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Speaker 4: and martyrs.
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Speaker 3: Yet in President Trump's plan, the Palestinian Authority has no role. Instead,
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Speaker 3: Gaza would be governed by a technocratic, a political Palestinian
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Speaker 3: committee made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, and
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Speaker 3: they'd be oversight by a new Board of Peace, where
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Speaker 3: Trump himself is the chair. How embarrassing for Albanesi that
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Speaker 3: his bright idea was to trust the corrupt and anti
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Speaker 3: Semitic Mahmurabas Now the plan also differs on Palestinian's statehood,
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Speaker 3: which Albanesi and his ilk want to reward immediately before
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Speaker 3: the Palestinians show any commitment to peace. But under the
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Speaker 3: Trump plan, they'd need to see a Palestinian reform program
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Speaker 3: faithfully carried out, and only then with the conditions potentially
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Speaker 3: be in place for a pathway to statehood. There's also
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Speaker 3: a difference in that the release of the hostages are
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Speaker 3: the prerequisite in Trump's plan, but they were all but
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Speaker 3: an afterthought in Albanese's. The focus of Albanese's plan was
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Speaker 3: statehood now. Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison told my colleague
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Speaker 3: Herean Gilbert today that Trump's plan is the antithesis of
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Speaker 3: what many like Albanezy were arguing for. President Trump has
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Speaker 3: gone completely against the tide of where the world was
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Speaker 3: at the UN. I'm pleased the rest of the world
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Speaker 3: is coming in behind this plan now. I mean, Albanezi
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Speaker 3: trying to claim credit for Middle East peace is laughable.
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Speaker 3: He can't even keep peace here in Australia. Under his leadership,
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Speaker 3: we are seeing the most divisive and racist period in
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Speaker 3: modern in history. Multiculturalism is collapsing, with hatred and antisemitism
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Speaker 3: on full display in weekly protests.
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Speaker 2: On our formerly peaceful streets.
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Speaker 3: An editorial in The Australian says that the Opera House
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Speaker 3: rally of October nine, two years ago was a disturbing
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Speaker 3: sign that antisemitism works behind the nation's multicultural facade, and
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Speaker 3: esteemed journalist Paul Kelly wrote about this in the Weekend Australian,
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Speaker 3: arguing that the post October seven ruptures are about the
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Speaker 3: entire country and mock its claim to tolerance in diversity.
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Speaker 3: He writes multicultural progressives have been exposed for their ethical
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Speaker 3: failures witness he says, the weakness of university leaders, the
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Speaker 3: tolerance of many artistic institutions for cultural prejudice, the antisemitism
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Speaker 3: of the Greens political party, and the betraying of its
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Speaker 3: mission by the Australian Human Rights Commission. And Kelly essentially
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Speaker 3: argues that the success of multiculturalism in Australia is collapsing.
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Speaker 3: He writes that over decades, the diversity side of multiculturalism
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Speaker 3: has thrived while the unity side has wither and yet
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Speaker 3: our own Prime Minister sits stunt and idiotically refuses to
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Speaker 3: lift a finger, still refusing to implement Jillian Siegel's anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism plan. All the recommendations from our Sky News summit
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Speaker 3: back in February. The Manchester terror attack should serve as
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Speaker 3: yet another wake up call for the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 3: for Tony Burke. A terrorist named Jihad al Shami of
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Speaker 3: Syrian descent who came to the UK as a child.
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Speaker 3: He rammed a car into a synagogue and then proceeded
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Speaker 3: to stab Jews. His father had praised terrorism, with The
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Speaker 3: Daily Mail UK reporting that the synagogue attackers surgeon father
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Speaker 3: said we will sip Arabic coffee and watch the end
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Speaker 3: of Israel in online posts that also praised Hamas, and
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Speaker 3: the article reported that Faraj al Shami had praised Hamas
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Speaker 3: fighters in the after mouth of October seven, describing them
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Speaker 3: as men of God on earth. Now, as you know,
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Speaker 3: this took place on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in
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Speaker 3: the Jewish calendar, and two Jews were killed in this attack,
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Speaker 3: one mistakenly by British police. In Australia, there was anxiety
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Speaker 3: on Yom Kipur two as Jews came together on Thursday.
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Speaker 3: Because radical Islamist terrorism is a serious.
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Speaker 2: Threat to peace in the West and.
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Speaker 3: Governments should have been more careful than to import this
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Speaker 3: hatred that now threatens our safety. And tomorrow, on the
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Speaker 3: anniversary of October seven, there's a protest planned called Glory
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Speaker 3: to our Martyrs, honoring two years of resistance, Yes, resistance,
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Speaker 3: and one of the speakers is Sheik Ibrahim Dadoun, who
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Speaker 3: you know said this right after October seven.
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Speaker 5: I'm smiling and unhappy.
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Speaker 6: I'm in zited.
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Speaker 1: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: This protest is planned for tomorrow evening at Paul Keating
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Speaker 3: Park in Bankstown. Well, this is in Tony Burke's electorate
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Speaker 3: of Watson And I asked Tony Burke's office about this
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Speaker 3: today and he issued a rare comment accepting that the
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Speaker 3: protest shouldn't go ahead. Tony Burke said October seven, twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty three was a day of violence and horror. There
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Speaker 3: is nothing to celebrate or honor in the terrorism of
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Speaker 3: that day. There is no legitimate reason for the organizers
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Speaker 3: to choose October seven. The mainstream Palestinian groups have had
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Speaker 3: the decency to avoid this date and Albaniz he also
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Speaker 3: said it was disrespectful.
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Speaker 4: I think that tomorrow is not a day, is not
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Speaker 4: a day for demonstrations. I think that for people who
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Speaker 4: engage and want to support the or say they're supporting
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Speaker 4: the Palestinian cause. It will not advance it. It will
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Speaker 4: set it back in terms of support. Here in Australia.
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Speaker 4: Tomorrow it's a two year anniversary of the greatest number
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Speaker 4: of murders of Jewish people since the Holocaust that needs
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Speaker 4: to be commemorated.
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Speaker 3: And it's certainly really good that the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 3: said this protest shouldn't go ahead.
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Speaker 2: But it's worse than.
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Speaker 3: His comments made out because this protest is not just
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Speaker 3: highly offensive, I believe its messaging is dangerous glory to
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Speaker 3: the martyrs, it's endorsing, even inciting terrorism. You could argue
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Speaker 3: it's glorifying monsters who kill Jews. It's normalizing extreme anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: And Jewish groups are begging for this hateful event to
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Speaker 3: be stopped, but New Southwales police told media outlets they
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Speaker 3: just work closely with organizers and take steps to ensure
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Speaker 3: the event is managed safely. I mean that's as unsurprising
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Speaker 3: as it is disappointing. Now The Australian, in their editorial
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Speaker 3: are urging moderate Muslim leaders to step in the editorial
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Speaker 3: states moderate Muslim community leaders and imams who say they
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Speaker 3: value peace, should urge their people to think again, cancel
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Speaker 3: or postpone the event and stay home. Special Envoy to
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Speaker 3: Combat Islamophobia, Aftab Malik, would do the standing of his
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Speaker 3: community a favor if he convinced good sensible Muslims to
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Speaker 3: put out a hand of reconciliation this week.
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Speaker 2: And show respect.
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Speaker 3: And there's also, as you know, another pro Palestinian protest
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Speaker 3: planned for the Opera House this weekend. Well, thankfully the
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Speaker 3: new South Wales Police, with the backing of the Premiere,
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Speaker 3: will oppose this Opera House protest. But once again it's
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Speaker 3: going to be up to a courty, a court to
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Speaker 3: decide whether our national icon becomes a shameful spectacle for
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Speaker 3: intolerance and hate. And so, I mean, this is what
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Speaker 3: we have to look forward to this week. Hostility from
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Speaker 3: our fellow Australians while we grieve the massacre of October seven,
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Speaker 3: and more on all that we've lost since then, not
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Speaker 3: least of which is faith in our political leaders who
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Speaker 3: refuse to confront the antisemitism we've fearfully faced alone for
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Speaker 3: two years now. For more on this topic, I'm joined
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Speaker 3: by Australia's Special Envoy to Combat antisemitism. Jillian Seagull, Jillian,
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Speaker 3: welcome and thank you for being here.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, and thank you Shari for all that you
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Speaker 7: have done to keep this issue of antisemitism at the
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Speaker 7: forefront of many Thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate that no one's done more work on this
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Speaker 3: topic then you have, day in, day out.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: I just spoke about how alone many of us have
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Speaker 3: felt in this fight. You have said that it feels
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Speaker 3: like the Jewish community has been left to build higher
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Speaker 3: and higher security walls to deal with this problem, but
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Speaker 3: that it shouldn't be up to security, should it.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 7: I think that security obviously has been a part of it,
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Speaker 7: and we have to be thankful that the government has
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Speaker 7: enabled that to happen. And I know when I was
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Speaker 7: at synagogue over Yom Kippur, there was enormous security at
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Speaker 7: the synagogue and that brought home to me the way
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Speaker 7: we are living is just unsustainable for us. And the
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Speaker 7: Manchester events really, I think indicated that the community there
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Speaker 7: said they felt shocked, but not surprised, and that has
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Speaker 7: brought home I think to so many people here who've
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Speaker 7: made contact with me, that that's what they feel here.
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Speaker 7: We've been going on for two years and allowing the
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Speaker 7: situation to get worse and worse. The rate and of
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Speaker 7: anti Semitic incidents has continued to be high, and the demonstrations,
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Speaker 7: as you articulated earlier, have continued week in and week
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Speaker 7: out with very horrible chants that encourage violence. And that
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Speaker 7: is very concerning because we don't want to be the
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Speaker 7: same as Manchester, and that's why I think it's time
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Speaker 7: to implement measures to really try and push antisemitism to
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Speaker 7: the margins. Now, I think it's fair to say that
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Speaker 7: you've been much more patient with the government than I have.
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Speaker 7: You've given them time to look at your report, but
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Speaker 7: it's been what.
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Speaker 2: Three months now.
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Speaker 3: Your patients must be running out. Why do you think
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Speaker 3: they're taking so long to implement your report?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's complicated because my report continues to
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Speaker 7: allow me to carry on doing work. It never depended
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Speaker 7: entirely on federal government implementation, and the Prime Minister said
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Speaker 7: that at the time, he said, I hope you will
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Speaker 7: continue to work in this space. So they gave notice
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Speaker 7: that they were going to wait for the Islamophobia en
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Speaker 7: Voice plan and we all thought that would take a
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Speaker 7: few weeks. It's taken much longer than I expected, but
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Speaker 7: fair enough. He had a lot of consultation to undertake.
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Speaker 7: But work has continued on my plan. So there's an
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Speaker 7: awful lot that I've been able to do with the
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Speaker 7: state governments, with local governments, and with the.
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Speaker 2: Support of institutions.
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Speaker 7: So, for example, one of the main areas I've focused
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Speaker 7: on is being universities, and I've met with all the
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Speaker 7: vice chancellors and chancellors of the go eight as well
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Speaker 7: as other universities, and they are working, i think, quite
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Speaker 7: constructively to try and do what they can in relation
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Speaker 7: to the situation. And my report says we're going to
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Speaker 7: have an actual report card and that is going forward.
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Speaker 7: I take your point that your work is continuing, and
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Speaker 7: we know it is, but surely it must be frustrating
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Speaker 7: for you that you stood next to the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 7: you outline these recommendations and yet there's been no response
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Speaker 7: from the federal government.
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Speaker 3: And it is an urgent. It was urgent at the time.
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Speaker 3: It's even more urgent, isn't it post Manchester.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think it is very urgent post Manchester, because
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Speaker 7: we need to gather faster momentum. As I said, things
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Speaker 7: have been happening, but now we need momentum. We cannot
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Speaker 7: take it slowly and surely we need momentum. And the
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Speaker 7: government needs to come out and.
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Speaker 2: Confirm the IRA.
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Speaker 7: Definition, which is the basis of my report. We need
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Speaker 7: a definition and it's the government's definition, but it has
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Speaker 7: been attacked mercilessly. We need them to endorse the work
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Speaker 7: that's going on with universities and encourage more universities to
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Speaker 7: come on board faster. So it's a question of degree
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Speaker 7: and momentum. But now is the time.
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Speaker 3: On the rallies that we've seen planned for this week,
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Speaker 3: the Glory for the Martyrs tomorrow, also the Opera House
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Speaker 3: protest on Sunday. Do you think these should be stopped
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Speaker 3: by the authorities.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think they are very concerning, and I know
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Speaker 7: that Britainy, for example, is looking at new protest laws
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Speaker 7: to stop repeated rallies. I like the American model of
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Speaker 7: time and place restrictions which balance rights. Of course, people
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Speaker 7: have the right to demonstrate, as they do to have
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Speaker 7: a free speech in all sorts of places, but time
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Speaker 7: and place restrictions balances that with the rights of others,
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Speaker 7: particularly the rights of the Jewish communities in this case
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Speaker 7: and other communities to be safe, say physically, if you
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Speaker 7: take the Opera House fore court, it's a very small
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Speaker 7: space and safe mentally. And that is also something that
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Speaker 7: the authority have to understand. October nine was such an important,
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Speaker 7: fearful occasion which almost let It's seen as letting anti
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Speaker 7: Semitism out of the bottle, the genie out of the bottle.
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Speaker 3: So is that an idea your pitch to government the
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Speaker 3: time and place restrictions for protests.
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Speaker 7: Well, I think that has to of course be embedded
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Speaker 7: in our laws, but I think that the courts can
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Speaker 7: take that into account that kind of balancing philosophy, of
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Speaker 7: balancing rights. One doesn't have absolute rights, even as we
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Speaker 7: cherish our democracy. They have to be balanced by other rights.
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Speaker 2: Just a couple before we go nearly out of time.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I just said they're the Australian's editorial
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Speaker 3: urge the Islamophobia and void it to come out and
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Speaker 3: call for respect and conciliation and perhaps even leadership on
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Speaker 3: these protests this week.
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Speaker 2: Do you echo this?
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Speaker 3: Do you call for your counterpart to come out and
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Speaker 3: condemn these hateful protests glorifying martyrs.
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm not sure that's his role advisor to the government.
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Speaker 7: But I do call on the leaders of the Islamic
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Speaker 7: community to do that. I think, as my report says,
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Speaker 7: it needs leadership across the society, religious leaders, corporate leaders,
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Speaker 7: and government leaders to say this is not appropriate. We
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Speaker 7: should not have the rallies this week, we should not
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Speaker 7: have them in this location, and we should try and build,
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Speaker 7: you know, some kind of bonds between us to bring
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Speaker 7: about social cohesion, because otherwise it will lead, as our
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Speaker 7: ASIO head has said, it will lead to violence that
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Speaker 7: we've seen in part in different rallies, and that will lead,
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Speaker 7: I fear, to much more serious things.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I feel like the community is living
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Speaker 3: in dread at the moment.
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Speaker 7: That's exactly the words that were used in Manchester, and
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Speaker 7: that is a great concern. And I think that's why
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Speaker 7: it's time for the community leadership to come together to
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Speaker 7: call this out and to try, as we're seeing happening
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Speaker 7: in the Middle East, to try and bring people together
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Speaker 7: to say enough is enough.
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Speaker 2: Jillian Siegul, thank you so much for being here. Really
25:07
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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Speaker 7: Thank you, Shan, thank you.
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Speaker 3: Now let's turn to the returning isis brides now and
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Speaker 3: I'm going to come back to that topic a bit later.
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Speaker 3: I've got Brohman Bishop on the show, Steve Price, plus
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Speaker 3: the brother of the murdered Australian Gullet Carbone, Danny Mass
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Speaker 3: is going to be on the show later for an
25:23
Speaker 3: exclusive interviews. I don't go anywhere, but returning to the
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Speaker 3: Isis Brides. Now, now you'll remember when my colleague Leah
25:30
Speaker 3: Mendes first broke this story, the Albanesi government denied it.
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Speaker 7: What actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety
25:41
Speaker 7: of Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 4: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 3: But that night on air I reported that his comments
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Speaker 3: weren't true, that police were preparing for the return of
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Speaker 3: Isis brides, and I called the.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister out right on air.
25:59
Speaker 3: Means the Prime Minister appears to have today misled the
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Speaker 3: Parliament over this highly controversial issue. Now, after that report,
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Speaker 3: the next day, Opposition leader Susan Lee raised this in parliament,
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Speaker 3: but alban Easy laughed her off and criticized Sky.
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Speaker 4: News a report yesterday was wrong. I declared it to
26:25
Speaker 4: be wrong, and long may the opposition continued to get
26:30
Speaker 4: their questions from Sky after dark.
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Speaker 3: It's no laughing matter because on the weekend The Herald
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Speaker 3: Sun revealed that two women who traveled to Syria to
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Speaker 3: join ISIS, along with their four children, have been allowed
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Speaker 3: to return to Australia. These are women who aligned themselves
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Speaker 3: with a barbaric terror regime that burned prisoners alive, enslaved
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Speaker 3: Yazidi women and beheaded journalists, and yet they're back on
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Speaker 3: Australian soil and the Prime Minister won't explain why he
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Speaker 3: made this decision.
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Speaker 4: Australia did not provide assistance. The Australian citizens, of course,
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Speaker 4: have the right to enter Australia.
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Speaker 6: That's what occurred here.
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Speaker 3: And joining me now is acting Shadow Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 3: James Patterson. James, as you heard there, Albanezi said these
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Speaker 3: ISIS brides have a right to enter Australia because they're
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Speaker 3: Australian citizens.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree?
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Speaker 3: And did he have other options available to him?
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Speaker 6: Sure?
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Speaker 8: The Prime Minister's responses on this issue have been contemptuous
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Speaker 8: from the very start and he is now being badly exposed.
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Speaker 8: The truth is that the reports in the Australia and
27:46
Speaker 8: your reports were completely accurate, and he has potentially misled
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Speaker 8: the House. There a very grave offense, and it's also
27:53
Speaker 8: true that the government did assist these people in their
27:55
Speaker 8: return in two respects. They in order for those children
27:58
Speaker 8: who were born to Australian parents overseas to come to Australia,
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Speaker 8: they first have to apply for citizenship by descent from
28:06
Speaker 8: the Department of Home Affairs, and once that is granted,
28:08
Speaker 8: they then have to apply for a passport from the
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Speaker 8: Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. Otherwise they can't bought
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Speaker 8: a plane and they can't enter our country. Clearly, those
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Speaker 8: two things have happened, and therefore the government has assisted
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Speaker 8: their return. But secondly, there was an option available to
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Speaker 8: the government to stop them from returning. The Parliament has
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Speaker 8: given the Executive Government of Australia the power to apply
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Speaker 8: for a temporary exclusion order to prevent an Australian citizen
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Speaker 8: who's traveled overseas to associate with the terrorist organization from
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Speaker 8: returning to our country. Very clearly, the government did not
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Speaker 8: use these powers in this instance, and they should explain
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Speaker 8: why these people have only returned with the blessing of
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Speaker 8: the Albanese government.
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Speaker 3: And I have no doubt you'll be putting pressure on
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Speaker 3: them tomorrow when Parliament returns over this issue. I also
28:53
Speaker 3: want to ask you whether the Albanese government has made
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Speaker 3: a different decision to other countries who have stripped Isis
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Speaker 3: bride of their citizenship to stop them returning home.
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Speaker 8: Well, the United Kingdom in twenty nineteen, under the Home
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Speaker 8: Secretary s Jidjavid, withdrew the citizenship of Shemimberbergen, one of
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Speaker 8: the most prominent Isis brides who traveled to the so
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Speaker 8: called Islamic State at the height of the Caliphate, and
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Speaker 8: they were very well grounded in doing so. In Australia,
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Speaker 8: our former Minister for Home Affairs, Peter Dutton, tried on
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Speaker 8: several occasions to withdraw citizenship of Australians who associated with
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Speaker 8: terrorist organizations, but regrettably, the High Court is found that
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Speaker 8: in Australia the constitution prevents a minister from ever canceling
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Speaker 8: the citizenship of a citizen, that it can be only
29:42
Speaker 8: done as part of sentencing for a terrorism offense. Now
29:46
Speaker 8: we have that regime in place, the Albanezer government has
29:48
Speaker 8: yet to use it, and frankly, I don't think they
29:51
Speaker 8: have broadened the aperture wide enough to make sure that
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Speaker 8: the largest number of people can be captured by this offense,
29:59
Speaker 8: because I think all Australians would agree if you leave
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Speaker 8: this country, if you go and join an Islamist caliphate
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Speaker 8: terrorist organization which has done all those despicable things that
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Speaker 8: you described in your question, then you've effectively repudiated your
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Speaker 8: allegiance to Australia and you should not be welcome to return.
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Speaker 3: I think most Australians would agree with you on that, James.
30:20
Speaker 3: I also want to ask you about the Shenanigans and
30:22
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party. Andrew Hasey has resigned of cost. He
30:25
Speaker 3: says it's because he abides by the Westminster system. But
30:29
Speaker 3: if he's not ready for the leadership himself, and he
30:31
Speaker 3: says is not, he's got a young family, then isn't
30:34
Speaker 3: this move simply destabilizing the party and improving Albanese's position.
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Speaker 8: No, I don't think it is shari because the alternative
30:43
Speaker 8: is that Andrew would have to remain in the shadow
30:45
Speaker 8: cabinet when he disagrees with the direction under Susan and
30:49
Speaker 8: would be a source of discontent within the shadow cabinet.
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Speaker 8: He is a person of integrity. He didn't want to
30:54
Speaker 8: do that. He thought the honorable thing to do was
30:57
Speaker 8: to admit his disagreement and go to the backbench, from
31:00
Speaker 8: which every Liberal has the freedom to pursue the policy
31:03
Speaker 8: issues that they want to and he will, and I
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Speaker 8: have no doubt he'll do that effectively in a way
31:07
Speaker 8: that will be constructive and strategic, and will not seek
31:11
Speaker 8: to undermine the leadership, as he has very clearly set
31:13
Speaker 8: himself in his press conference on Saturday.
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Speaker 3: Well Susan Lee's newspol results are shocking. Does the Liberal
31:20
Speaker 3: Party need to find a new leader quickly who has
31:24
Speaker 3: a better chance of victory at the next election, or
31:27
Speaker 3: at least of saving furniture, if not victory.
31:31
Speaker 8: Shari, whoever was leading the Liberal Party in the circumstances
31:34
Speaker 8: we're in now following our worst defeat ever in eighty years,
31:37
Speaker 8: would make tough going of It is not an easy task,
31:40
Speaker 8: and I'm not surprised that we are not zooming ahead
31:43
Speaker 8: in the polls. We have to demonstrate both to our
31:46
Speaker 8: traditional core supporters that we're worthy of their support and
31:50
Speaker 8: to swing voters that we are ready for government and
31:52
Speaker 8: that we have a compelling alternative vision. And it will
31:54
Speaker 8: take some time to do that, and right now we're
31:57
Speaker 8: having the debates that we haven't had in the previous
31:59
Speaker 8: term about direction in our policy that are necessary, even
32:02
Speaker 8: if they can be a bit untidy. We have to
32:05
Speaker 8: resolve those debates in a timely way. It can't go
32:07
Speaker 8: on forever, but I'm confident under Susan's leadership we can
32:10
Speaker 8: do that.
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Speaker 2: I take your point.
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Speaker 3: But you say you're not surprised you're not zooming ahead
32:14
Speaker 3: in the polls. But James, this government couldn't get any worse.
32:18
Speaker 3: You should be ahead in the polls.
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Speaker 8: Well, I agree with you, Sharon. I think the most
32:22
Speaker 8: interesting thing is that the government's primary vote has barely
32:25
Speaker 8: lifted at all. Despite all the woes of the Liberal Party.
32:28
Speaker 8: Our primary vote has gone elsewhere to other minor parties
32:31
Speaker 8: and independence. It has not largely gone to the government.
32:34
Speaker 8: So it's no endorsement of the Albaneza government all their performance,
32:37
Speaker 8: particularly on the economy, where they've just delivered their first
32:41
Speaker 8: labor deficit and they plan to deliver ten more years
32:44
Speaker 8: of deficits and one point two trillion dollars of debt.
32:48
Speaker 8: We're in a terrible state of affairs, whether it's on
32:51
Speaker 8: national security or the economy under this government, and we
32:53
Speaker 8: have a lot of opportunities and a moral responsibility to
32:56
Speaker 8: take advantage of that in the national interest of our country.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed there all right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
33:05
Speaker 3: Now still to come Andrew Hasty lashes the Liberal Party
33:08
Speaker 3: Old guard. I'll speak about this with Bronwin Bishop and
33:11
Speaker 3: Steve Price. And the Albanezy government seems to forget that
33:14
Speaker 3: an Australian citizen was murdered on October seven. Well, her
33:18
Speaker 3: brother would join me live in studio next for an
33:21
Speaker 3: exclusive interview.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, the government seems to forget that a sixty six
33:31
Speaker 3: year old Australian grandmother, Galit Carbone, was murdered inside her
33:36
Speaker 3: home on October seven. Her brother, Danny Masner, was just
33:39
Speaker 3: a few homes away that day and he told me
33:42
Speaker 3: what happened to his sister when I visited Israel a
33:45
Speaker 3: year ago.
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Speaker 7: So, Danny, your sister Galit was here in.
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Speaker 3: Her home on the morning of October seven when hermas
33:54
Speaker 3: came inside her house.
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Speaker 2: What happened?
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Speaker 9: From what I know? She rang me at twelve or
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Speaker 9: nine twelve PM and telling me that she hears them
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Speaker 9: inside the house and she's not sure if she locked
34:09
Speaker 9: the door didn't lock the door, as if it really matters,
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Speaker 9: And I told her, okay, let's whisper, let's not them
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Speaker 9: here that let them know that someone's there.
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Speaker 6: She was safe, she was in a safety room. Of course,
34:25
Speaker 6: she was holding the.
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Speaker 9: Handle, and you know it's it's other who's going to
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Speaker 9: bend first.
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Speaker 1: You know, she didn't stand a chance, not one chance.
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Speaker 6: My father was overseas.
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Speaker 9: He's a ninety one year it was at ninety at
34:37
Speaker 9: the time, you old Holocaust survivor from France, and I
34:40
Speaker 9: had to tell him that his daughter was murdered on
34:42
Speaker 9: the keyboards by Yeah. It was certainly and definitely the
34:47
Speaker 9: hardest thing I had to do in my life.
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Speaker 3: Well, Danny is in Australia for this anniversary and he
34:53
Speaker 3: joins me, Now, Danny, thank you so much for being here.
34:57
Speaker 6: Thank you.
34:58
Speaker 3: Now, you know we just heard how the terrorists murdered
35:01
Speaker 3: your sister. You were just a few houses away. How
35:04
Speaker 3: does that day still haunt you?
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Speaker 9: Well, I can't say that I don't think about it.
35:12
Speaker 9: I can't say that I'm healing and moving forward. It's
35:15
Speaker 9: something that will stick every day every morning I wake up,
35:18
Speaker 9: it's there. One hundred and two members of our community
35:23
Speaker 9: were murdered at the same morning. We still have four
35:27
Speaker 9: dead bodies in captivity in Gaza now and hopefully they'll
35:33
Speaker 9: be returned as soon as possible with the Trumper agreement.
35:38
Speaker 3: People forget that babies, children were murdered in cold blood
35:44
Speaker 3: on October seven, that Hamas sped no one.
35:48
Speaker 2: I mean, the brutality of that. The world just seems
35:50
Speaker 2: to have forgotten.
35:52
Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Unfortunately, I'll talk about the Western countries. I think I'm directing,
36:01
Speaker 9: really my call for them. It happened in Israel, and
36:04
Speaker 9: it can happen in any Western country and capital in Europe,
36:10
Speaker 9: and I think the leaders in their country must realize
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Speaker 9: that it's not only the State of Israel problem, it's
36:18
Speaker 9: a world problem and need to take Hamas more seriously
36:23
Speaker 9: and try to let the guns down.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen some of the terror threats in Australia,
36:28
Speaker 3: fire bombing of synagogues and pre schools, and yet there's
36:32
Speaker 3: been this lack of action from the alban Easy government
36:36
Speaker 3: and in fact, you know, they're continually criticizing Israel, recognized
36:41
Speaker 3: a Palestinian state, blocked entry to our country to innocent
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Speaker 3: Israeli is this in the past two years.
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Speaker 2: What's your reaction to their response.
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Speaker 9: Yes, I think that something really basically has lost between
36:59
Speaker 9: Israel and Australia. Once upon time you could call is
37:03
Speaker 9: Well an ally, Australia an ally, and there was a
37:07
Speaker 9: very big Jewish community here, a strong Jewish community here.
37:11
Speaker 6: And for some reason, I'm afraid that.
37:17
Speaker 9: The good relationship between the Jewish community here in Australia
37:21
Speaker 9: and the government is going to fall apart in some ways,
37:26
Speaker 9: has already has already. Yeah, And and really I think
37:31
Speaker 9: what what Albanesi's government needs to do now is really.
37:37
Speaker 6: Try and.
37:39
Speaker 9: Get in somehow, no matter how the Hamas down, really,
37:43
Speaker 9: because that's really the main object of the Middle East
37:47
Speaker 9: and the whole world. I think once the Hamas is
37:50
Speaker 9: without its weapon.
37:51
Speaker 2: Is eliminated.
37:52
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think that's necessity. And I think not only
37:55
Speaker 9: mister Albanesi, but I think all the leaders of the world,
37:58
Speaker 9: of the Western world, should you right for the same purpose.
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Speaker 6: I can't see it any other way.
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Speaker 3: So does there approach feel like a betrayal to your
38:06
Speaker 3: sister's memory?
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Speaker 9: You know, it's been two years since, and things happen
38:12
Speaker 9: in two years, it was betrayal at the time. I'm
38:20
Speaker 9: trying to really negotiate with myself and the world, hopefully
38:25
Speaker 9: to find a better place, and hopefully again without the Hamas,
38:29
Speaker 9: we could create a different Middle East.
38:31
Speaker 6: And a different world.
38:32
Speaker 9: I'm really optimistic even these days, two years after.
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Speaker 2: It's good to hear you're optimistic.
38:37
Speaker 3: So you're going to be meeting with Alban Easy in
38:39
Speaker 3: Canberra this week? Yes, Sam Now, I was with you
38:43
Speaker 3: at drinks last night and there were a few members
38:45
Speaker 3: of the Jewish community and everyone was telling you what
38:48
Speaker 3: you've got to tell.
38:49
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: Have you worked out what the most important messages for
38:53
Speaker 3: him to hear from from you, the brother of the
38:56
Speaker 3: only Australian who was killed on October seventh.
38:59
Speaker 9: Yes, I've got a lot of respect to mister tell Benesi,
39:03
Speaker 9: and my phone is flooded with advisers from very smart, clever, carrying,
39:09
Speaker 9: loving people around Sydney. That and it's really just again
39:16
Speaker 9: I'm going to repeat myself, but trying to get mister
39:18
Speaker 9: El Benezi to realize Israel isn't the bad guys here.
39:23
Speaker 9: Israel were attacked and I think that what everyone and
39:28
Speaker 9: mister Benese should realize that we need to eliminate Hamas again.
39:33
Speaker 9: I'm always going to that, But that's the main object everywhere.
39:37
Speaker 9: Hamas Romas Ramas because.
39:38
Speaker 3: He keeps saying he's been saying this for a long
39:40
Speaker 3: time now, probably a year and a half or more.
39:42
Speaker 3: He's been demanding a ceasefire Israel, deminding Israel withdrawal, even
39:47
Speaker 3: though Harmas is still in power.
39:50
Speaker 2: And Hermas still has the hostages.
39:52
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly.
39:52
Speaker 9: Now, I'm not really following what's happening there, but I
39:56
Speaker 9: think at the moment it's up to Hamas, and hamasn't
40:00
Speaker 9: really accepting.
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Speaker 6: All the terms.
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Speaker 2: What a surprise, What a.
40:03
Speaker 6: Surprise, not the first and not the last.
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Speaker 9: But seriously, I think then let's get mister Trump involved
40:12
Speaker 9: as well.
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Speaker 6: Hopefully he will be able to do the job.
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Speaker 2: Now you've turned your pain into action.
40:17
Speaker 3: You've given about one hundred and fifty tours of Kybootz Barry,
40:22
Speaker 3: where your sister was killed. You know many people from
40:26
Speaker 3: around the world. You've told them the story. You're living
40:29
Speaker 3: this day and day out. For the Foreign Minister Pennywong,
40:32
Speaker 3: she wouldn't.
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Speaker 9: Visit, unfortunately, No, she came to Israel. I think, don't
40:39
Speaker 9: quote me. I think April twenty four and I was
40:43
Speaker 9: already with my phone near my ear for the phone
40:46
Speaker 9: call from Miss Swang.
40:48
Speaker 6: Hopefully she will.
40:51
Speaker 9: Make her way down from Jerusalem to the keyboards to
40:54
Speaker 9: see where the sole Australian citizen was murdered that day. Unfortunately,
40:59
Speaker 9: I'm still waiting for that phone call.
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Speaker 2: She never came. She never saw.
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Speaker 6: Nothing, nothing, She was too busy.
41:05
Speaker 2: She makes you angry.
41:07
Speaker 6: Let's leave the anger aside. Let's not be angry.
41:10
Speaker 3: It's yeah, Well, Danny, I'm so thrilled you're here in
41:13
Speaker 3: Australia sharing your story that you've.
41:16
Speaker 2: Come on our television show firstlike.
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Speaker 6: So much. Thanks, thanks for having me, Thank you for
41:23
Speaker 6: being here.
41:25
Speaker 2: All right, still to come.
41:26
Speaker 3: Israel claims the largest vessel in Greta's Gaza flotilla was
41:30
Speaker 3: still was.
41:30
Speaker 2: Not carrying any aid.
41:32
Speaker 3: Broman, Bishop and Steve Price will be here next.
41:40
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
41:40
Speaker 3: The Nightly is tonight reporting that Andrew Hasty is refusing
41:44
Speaker 3: to rule out a future leadership.
41:46
Speaker 2: Tilts again, Susan Lee before the election.
41:49
Speaker 3: Let's bring in our Sky News host Steve Price and
41:52
Speaker 3: former Speaker of the House brom And Bishop and great
41:54
Speaker 3: to see you both as always. What do you think
41:57
Speaker 3: should Andrew Hasty challenge for the Liberal leadership.
42:01
Speaker 1: Well, that's a matter for him.
42:02
Speaker 10: But what I will say is it's important not to
42:05
Speaker 10: get too uptight about the fact that people speak out.
42:08
Speaker 1: And I'm making points of view, because it doesn't matter.
42:13
Speaker 10: When you're in opposition if you've got a title. It's
42:16
Speaker 10: no good calling for unity if there's nothing to unify around.
42:20
Speaker 10: And at the moment there are no policies, no direction,
42:22
Speaker 10: no nothing. So you've got a lot of voices out
42:25
Speaker 10: there and there's not a problem with that in my book.
42:28
Speaker 10: Somewhere out of that we will get a position and
42:30
Speaker 10: I pray.
42:31
Speaker 3: The division is problematic though, really well, they're not holding
42:36
Speaker 3: the alban Easy government to account.
42:37
Speaker 2: They're fighting amongst themselves.
42:39
Speaker 10: They are doing some of the holdings account not much well,
42:42
Speaker 10: quite a bit. Actually, they did quite well with the
42:45
Speaker 10: HKRE stuff, and I would hope if it's coming well.
42:48
Speaker 10: When the Parliament doesn't see it, it's a bit hard.
42:51
Speaker 10: So I'm hoping the Parliament will sit this week and
42:53
Speaker 10: we'll see something. But at the end of the day,
42:55
Speaker 10: until you've got a set of policies, you know what
42:57
Speaker 10: direction you're covering, and you can't take one third of
43:00
Speaker 10: a term to make up your mind what you're on about.
43:03
Speaker 1: So let's get on with it.
43:04
Speaker 10: Let's give up net zero and let's have a migration policy.
43:07
Speaker 10: They are the two burning issues that are affecting lifestyle
43:11
Speaker 10: of Australians every day.
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Speaker 3: Well, the issue is the lack of policies, Steve. But
43:16
Speaker 3: do you agree with me that they're in fighting the
43:19
Speaker 3: leaking the focus on themselves rather than putting the pressure
43:24
Speaker 3: on the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 2: This is a problem.
43:29
Speaker 5: I admire Bromin's optimism, but she must be tearing that
43:32
Speaker 5: magnificent head of hair of hers outstrand by strand. These
43:36
Speaker 5: people are crazy.
43:38
Speaker 4: Now.
43:38
Speaker 5: Look I come from Victoria, where the Victorian Liberals they
43:42
Speaker 5: make an art form out of fighting each other. They
43:44
Speaker 5: sue one another. They've got leader replaced by leader replaced.
43:48
Speaker 5: It seems that camera is just copying what the Victorians
43:50
Speaker 5: are doing. And look, I don't know why the Knightley
43:53
Speaker 5: thinks this is a great scoop about Andrew Hasty standing
43:56
Speaker 5: for the leadership before the next election. I mean, I
43:59
Speaker 5: thought the scoop would have been if he said he
44:01
Speaker 5: wasn't going to stand for the leadership before the next election.
44:04
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been out of the country for three weeks,
44:08
Speaker 5: I come back and see the Liberals tearing themselves apart.
44:12
Speaker 5: Then at the weekend I read a magnificent interview with
44:15
Speaker 5: Tony Abbott, and then I read an excerpt out of
44:17
Speaker 5: Tony Abbot's book, and I think to myself, where are
44:20
Speaker 5: the Liberals gone? Where are the Abbots and Howard's that
44:23
Speaker 5: led the Liberal Party? And they are just at the
44:26
Speaker 5: moment a rebel.
44:28
Speaker 3: No exactly, And the Newspole reflects that. I mean they're
44:31
Speaker 3: getting further away from government.
44:34
Speaker 2: Not closer to it.
44:35
Speaker 3: I mean you must admit that when you see the
44:37
Speaker 3: Newspole results.
44:38
Speaker 1: I live for the hard peacock is. I know how
44:41
Speaker 1: it is.
44:42
Speaker 2: So what's your advice.
44:43
Speaker 10: My advice is, get some policies out there, get some
44:45
Speaker 10: strong voices that are out there saying this is.
44:48
Speaker 1: What we are prepared to fight for. We believe in you,
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Speaker 1: the Australian people.
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Speaker 10: We want you to have a good stand up living
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Speaker 10: and to do that we need one, two, three, four
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Speaker 10: and just sell the policies. Then you can say yes,
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Speaker 10: we're united, Yes we're getting behind.
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Speaker 1: And you've just got to have someone who can do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So a new leader that well.
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Speaker 1: Let's see.
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Speaker 5: Well, the problem is that the strong voices are sitting
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Speaker 5: on the back bench. I mean, Andrew Hasty and just
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Speaker 5: send a nampajmperprise. If you want strong voices, Roman, let
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Speaker 5: them be on the front bench. Let them prosecute the
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Speaker 5: ideas instead, they've been shoved off the back.
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Speaker 2: But well they do it to be fair, they've done
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Speaker 2: it themselves.
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 10: The only difference it makes these days we pay shadow ministers.
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Speaker 10: I'm not sure that was a mistake, but never that's
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Speaker 10: another issue. But I don't want to see the federal
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Speaker 10: Liberals catch the Victorian disease, Steve, because the Victorian disease
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Speaker 10: is a terrible disease. It is we're all happy to
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Speaker 10: be in opposition for ever and we'll just squabble about
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Speaker 10: what positions we have.
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Speaker 1: What a terrible thing that is.
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Speaker 10: So I want someone who's hungry to govern for the
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Speaker 10: best outcome for the people.
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Speaker 3: And knows what they stand for and take Australians with them.
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Speaker 3: That is certainly what the country needs, because no matter
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Speaker 3: which side of politics you support, it's not healthy for
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Speaker 3: democracy if you have a weak opposition. Often feels like
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Speaker 3: we're the only ones here holding the government to account.
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Speaker 2: I wish that weren't the case, Steve.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the Victorian Police minister. Now,
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Speaker 3: he's done something really unusual. He's signed a petition effectively
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Speaker 3: against his own government, against a four story apartment block.
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Speaker 5: Look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary and you'll
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Speaker 5: see a picture of Anthony Carbines. This story is unbelievable.
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Speaker 5: He's got a premierge to Cinda Allen, who's been for
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Speaker 5: the last twelve months wandering around Melbourne in suburbs like
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Speaker 5: Brighton and Hawthorne and Q and saying, Okay, you've got
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Speaker 5: a train line, so we're going to trample over the
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Speaker 5: top of local government. We're going to take away their
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Speaker 5: planning powers and we can build twenty five story, fifty
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Speaker 5: story towers. There another storyteller there, Anthony Carbines, the police minister,
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Speaker 5: finds out there's a fourth story apartment block being built
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Speaker 5: near his house and he's joined the petition to make
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Speaker 5: it stop. I mean, how can these people lay straight
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Speaker 5: in bed at night. It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: It truly is the height of hypocrisy. Now, Browin, I
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Speaker 3: want to ask you about you know, we've been following
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Speaker 3: the case of Greta's Gaza flotilla, and it is so tedious.
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Speaker 3: But I noticed that the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
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Speaker 3: released a video video clip where they claim that the
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Speaker 3: largest vessel, when it was intercepted by Israel, they found
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Speaker 3: no aid on board. Now, Bromwin, this is obviously the
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Speaker 3: claim by Israel. The people from the flotilla say this
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Speaker 3: is just Israeli propaganda.
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Speaker 2: I asked them about it today.
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Speaker 3: But if this is true, not an ounce of aid
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Speaker 3: on board the largest vessel, it's just the publicity stunt, of.
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Speaker 1: Course it is.
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Speaker 10: That's all she's afterne look at me, look at me.
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Speaker 10: They stopped looking at her when she had a let.
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Speaker 10: Now she's had a bob. He said, this is the
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Speaker 10: new look look at.
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Speaker 1: Me, and aren't I good?
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Speaker 10: I've switched horses. But Heaven's say, please don't take the
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Speaker 10: cameras away. But for her to say she'd been adducted
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Speaker 10: when we're dealing with the return of the hostages and
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Speaker 10: we're in this peace negotiation is disgusting.
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Speaker 1: Truly disgusting. So in Si, go home to Sweden and
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Speaker 1: stay there. We don't need to hear from you again.
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Speaker 2: If only she would do that.
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Speaker 1: She won't. She'll probably find a new call soon too.
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Speaker 3: But it's amazing how many people just jump on the bandwagon.
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Speaker 2: They think she's some hero. And to me, you.
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Speaker 3: Think, if she's not telling the truth about, you know,
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Speaker 3: being taken hostage, well what else hasn't she been telling
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Speaker 3: the truth about?
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Speaker 2: In the park.
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Speaker 10: I never believes the word she had to say, So
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Speaker 10: what's the exactly?
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 3: Brom and Bishop Steve Price, Great to see you both
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Speaker 3: are still to come. Ellie Sharabi spent four hundred and
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Speaker 3: ninety one days as a hostage. The conditions were even
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Speaker 3: worse than you can imagine, far worse than what Greta
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Speaker 3: Thunbergs had to endure.
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Speaker 2: That's next.
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Speaker 3: On the show Tomorrow night, Ellie Sharabi speaks about how
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Speaker 3: her mus starved.
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Speaker 2: Him and the murder of his family.
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Speaker 11: It was awful. No running water in the beginning, no gas,
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Speaker 11: no no phone, no food. The agenic was terrible. I
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Speaker 11: needed disclosure for me to arrive to their graveyard. And
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Speaker 11: it's like like first of all to say sorry for
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Speaker 11: October seven and and.
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Speaker 6: To tell them that I was I made my promise.
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Speaker 11: And I survived this hell and I came back for them.
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Speaker 2: He came back for them, but they weren't there.
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Speaker 3: Such an emotional interview with former hostage Elie Sharabi, who
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Speaker 3: spent nearly five hundred dates in the dark Hamas tunnels.
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Speaker 3: Do not miss that tomorrow night here at eight o'clock,
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Speaker 3: on the second anniversary of October seven.
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Speaker 2: I'll be with you here see then,