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Talks to Paul Arthur about his choice of Invasion of the Dinosaurs (4/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker, quicker.
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Yes. Welcome Paul, welcome.
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Welcome to the future. Now if I could just take you
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through to the reminder room right now so you can see what a
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pig's ear we made of planet Earth.
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You spend a little bit of time watching the TV there, all
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right? And then you come back into the
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spaceship and tell me how you're feeling about going to earth #2.
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Hang on, so you're telling me I've been in your bedroom for
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three months? What is this?
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So what's going on? Well, yes, sorry, I've only just
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released the handcuffs, but he was not objecting at the time,
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all right. What's this bump on my head?
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What's going on? You've been in the bedroom so
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long now you're delirious and think you're on a spaceship
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heading for the future. Right, Yes, Heading to New
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Earth. Lovely.
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Fantastic. Hello, Paul.
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Hello, Joe, How are you? Well, we're totally refreshed
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after our little break between episodes three and four.
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And back for the tail end. Oh, that's quite a good
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description actually, of Invasion of the dinosaurs.
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Indeed, Yes yeah. Back for more conspiracies,
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secrets, Shock reveals, lovely dinosaur models and and a new
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car for the Doctor. Fantastic A.
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Whole new plot Fred just opened up for us.
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Oh. Yeah.
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Yeah, free. I remember how slack your jaw
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was at the end of that. I had to pick it up on the
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floor. You know, I probably talked a
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lot when we did that episode about it, but genuinely top, top
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surprise in my entire watching of Doctor Who.
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Really. Yeah.
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Genuinely A shocking cliffhanger and something you don't get
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because, like, I talked before, but cliffhangers usually is the
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obvious stuff is a monster reveal or it's someone holding a
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gun to the doctor's head and say no, now, Doctor, you will die.
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But here we're like, we're completely blindsided.
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As you say, it's a completely different subplot suddenly opens
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up. And we're.
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And I do love a story that takes you somewhere else, like part
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way through as well. I love things like stones of
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blood where you end up on, on the, on the the spaceship in, in
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a kind of courtroom thing like, you know, halfway through.
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So I love, I love that kind of when a longer story like this, a
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six part can can take you somewhere else.
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You must adore the second-half of the arc, then.
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Oh, isn't that, isn't that fantastic?
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And what a brilliant conceit that is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, just two episodes.
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And then at that time, you know, I'm probably not, unless not an
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original fault. But at that time, nobody.
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So you didn't. We didn't.
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I don't think the audience was thinking in terms of, oh, this
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story has four episodes or this story has whatever.
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So like, you get to the end of this, that second part, and you
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think, OK, we're off somewhere else, and suddenly you're drawn
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back in. And doing 2 parts then right?
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That could have just been a 2. Part it could easily been a
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two-part or you know, the fact that all the stories were just
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kind of continuous anyway. So one kind of fed into the next
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wherever they went and you were, you know, perhaps fully
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expecting them to be somewhere completely different and maybe
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after a sci-fi when you're expecting them to do a
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historical or something. But yeah, yeah, that's a what a
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great idea. I mean, I think if you took away
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this insane subplot we're about to watch with this group of
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idiots totally duped into thinking they're heading to
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another planet when they're in fact in the basement under
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London in a fake spaceship. This probably could have been 4
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episodes, don't you think? This is This is the plot that
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kicks it to 6. Yeah, yeah.
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It's surprising how long it takes because like, you know,
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we're we've got the hold of this episode, Episode 4, and then
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we're well into Part 5. But so yeah, it's yeah, it's it
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definitely gives it extra legs for sure.
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Bolstered undoubtedly by Edith from a lower low and the
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tightness of Mark Crichton's jeans.
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How did he break the world record in those jeans?
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So I mean Blimey. There's a few words the mind
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boggles. Take a break.
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I'll tell you now, by pure chance, I just did a commentary
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on Morden undead the other day, right?
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And I asked about what are your sort of I wish it could have
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been. And James Locke literally by
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coincidence just said I wish there could be a supercar of
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invasion of the dinosaurs. Where when that twist at the end
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of episode 3 hits, there's a cart where the whole next
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episode is just set on the spaceship.
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So you're completely duped because the second you go back
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to Earth, you kind of know you're not in two, two different
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time zones. But I said to you, why not?
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You could be. You know what I mean?
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That's the that's the common, the common complaint about this
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episode, episode 4 in particular, is the fact that,
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you know, straight after the cliffhanger, you're into a scene
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with the Brigadier and Finch and and the Doctor.
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So we that illusions broken. But honestly, I might, like I
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say, I was so surprised after the first time watching,
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watching Part 3, going into Part 4, that I was, my mind hadn't
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quite caught up to that. And I don't think I'd kind of
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fully tweaked that, that, that actually, that doesn't make
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sense if you actually stop to think about it.
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And umm, yeah, no, I think I definitely think it still works.
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I think there is a a case for saying yeah, wouldn't it be
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great if par 4 was entirely the spaceship?
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Maybe half, half the episode might have been a good.
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Idea maybe, but like I think I said in, in the, the recording
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of episode 3, umm, really the job of the cliffhanger is to get
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you to say what the but I want to, I definitely need to see how
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this carries on. So you don't think, I don't
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think you really need to extend any longer.
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And as you say, I don't think it hurts that that we, you know,
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the, that there it's revealed straight away that there is
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something, you know, something going on.
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We know Sarah's a smart character.
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We know that she's not cynical is wrong word, but she's a
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journalist. So she's sceptical.
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You know, she's, she's going to want to investigate things.
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It's kind of in her nature. And she, we know straight away
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that she's thinking something's up here.
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So I think, I think it works really well for her character.
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And yeah, and the fact that she's still the say, the mystery
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still extended for so long. She doesn't know straight away
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what's happening. She just knows something's up.
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And I do have him watch these episodes back this way.
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I genuinely think there's really interesting things that Hulk is
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saying. I do think it's supposed to be a
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left, a left wing party, because what they're after is what the
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left is after, which is a greener earth, you know, and
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simpler times and better morals and all of this stuff that the
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left go on about. But they are absolutely
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deploying right wing methods in order to get it done.
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We did touch on this last time, didn't we?
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Because I was saying, well, I don't, you know, it doesn't the
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Grove what Grover's party is. It's not overtly stated So, but,
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and I think they say, well, is, you know, I don't know,
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actually, I can't remember exactly what I said, but I know
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I think there's a little bit of room for interpretation in their
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actions and in their motives. But you are totally right,
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especially when you get to see the three of them, Mark, Ruth
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and Adam, you get to see them on the ship.
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And it is, I think as as Terence Dix says in the in the on the
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DVD making of he said he calls them well meaning do gooders.
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And that is very much the attitude and the position of
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many on the left. Like, and I think Grover says in
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the part 6, like he says, you know, we want to lead people to
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a better way or something like that.
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I can't remember the exact line. So it is that idea of, yeah, we,
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we know better than you and we want you to be doing a certain
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thing. And that is pretty much.
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Grovers extremist, right? He's the one that knows
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ultimately what they're doing, which is wiping out everybody on
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the earth in order to sort. It's sort of like a reset, isn't
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it? You know, sort of a factory
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settings rewrite. Wipe clean, I think he says at
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some point. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Sometimes I look out the window. Porn.
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I think maybe he was on to the right thing.
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You know, I see what's going on in English and American politics
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right now. Jesus, Yeah, yeah.
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Well, plenty to discuss them. Oh yeah, I think so.
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Yeah, yeah. Still got still got surprises to
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to cover yes, still plenty of of interest there.
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And as you say, plenty, plenty of commentary from Hulk,
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definitely. Nobody knows that Yates is a
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trade to get, do they? No.
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We're going to have a whole sequence where the doctors
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haunted, like, Oh my God, it's so exciting.
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Well, should we go and watch it? Should we?
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Should we? Let's crack on.
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Yeah, let's do. It I'll start this if you would
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do me the greatest honour of counting us in.
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OK, Ham fam, let's start in 321. Off we go.
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Now look, you will have to put up with me though potentially
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every now and again going, you know, Renee, what are you doing
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with your arms around that servant girl on the line?
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You know, or doing? Do you remember how she used to
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do some dreadful singing, didn't she?
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I could have danced all night. Everyone's got cheese and there
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he is. Or something.
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It must be so weird being an actor doing that and having like
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a long career. I'm sure she's done plenty.
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Obviously she's been indulged twice.
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But like the I mean apart from us knowing her for this, the
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thing that everybody knows her for is is a lower low.
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I love the fact that they're taking flared jeans with them to
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the future. You know only the best.
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Actions. Yeah, yeah, Going back to a
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simpler time with tighty, thick and denim.
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Oh yeah, look, we're literally straight back to the present
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now, aren't we? Yeah, straight back.
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OK, the Doctor's looking very thoughtful.
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Where is Sarah Jane? You know, I could have sworn I
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left her here. Yeah, he's he's got quite a lot
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of he's really the fury here where he's talking about the
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chains being cut. He's, you know, he's starting to
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get a bit pissed off and he's starting nothing to suspect
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what's going on. But like none of them know here.
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We actually get the Finch reveal in this scene where after after
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the doctor in the book, there goes yeah, he's just talking to
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Finch. And that's how we actually, we
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know that he's quite SUS and we know that he's been sort of, you
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know, a bit shady for the three episodes, but that's the first
11:07
time it's revealed. And and actually he's quite so
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it's not a big surprise, but it's quite a low key reveal
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compared to the others, I think. But.
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Oh, honestly, the way John Perky was brandishing those chambers,
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I was getting a bit hot under the collar over it.
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Luckily he's got he's got his new cards to take his mind off
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things, so he's going to oh. Boy oh boy, the Hoover Bill.
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Is it coming up now? Yeah, yeah.
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Here we go. Get it off the ground up there.
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Wouldn't you rather have a Jeep? He says.
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Not a bit of it, Brigadier. No, I mean, do you remember when
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he was on Blue Peter, doesn't he?
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He goes yes, yes it is roadworthy. 2 back, one at the
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front. Yep.
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And I sort of pop engine. He goes yeah, but he looks so
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happy going. He's like a picking shit, isn't
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he? I've been genuinely, yeah, I
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just fabulous, isn't it that he mobiled and the these shots of
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them going around London, I think just just brilliant.
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What? Is unusual.
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It's the only time they succumb to this, the sort of space car
12:07
for the Doctor, right? They never ever do it at any
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other point. Yeah, if this is an.
12:12
American show Doctor Who would have space vehicles all the
12:15
time. You know, the Batmobile and all
12:17
of this. Yeah, you know what?
12:18
It's, it's like when they started the repeats of, of
12:21
Doctor Who in the, in the 90s and like in the 90s, there was
12:24
that kind of weird 70s obsession.
12:27
It was like for 5 minutes. It was like the 70s were quite,
12:29
quite in. And so they started to, to, to
12:33
go through the run and the plan, I think plan was to repeat all
12:36
the pervies. But they got about as far as
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into the Silurians and kind of gave up.
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And I think the part of it was they were trying to sell it on
12:42
this kind of like this kind of funky 70s vision that Doctor Who
12:48
wasn't and certainly wasn't in Season 7.
12:50
If they'd have maybe started with with with the humor Bill,
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if it had been the humor Bill the whole time, maybe that would
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have been what they were looking for.
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But it's not quite Doctor Who, is it really?
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I think there's only a couple of times, you know, when classic
13:02
Doctor Who actually genuinely feels like the decade that it's
13:05
in. The War Machines feels like the
13:08
60s. Yeah, maybe the designs in the
13:10
war games when they're off to that base, you know, those
13:12
swirly, whirly designs. Yeah, the 70s maybe claws of
13:16
axos, that sort of crazy colour coming at you throughout the
13:19
whole story. But on the whole, it's all
13:21
timeless, isn't it? Doctor Who?
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Yeah, I, I think so, yeah, you're right.
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And actually pretty better for it.
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I mean, I'd love it if it lent more into that 70s stuff.
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I kind of wanted it to be a bit like the, you know, the well,
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our guitar and all that stuff, but.
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I've been watching the New Avengers the.
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New. Cleaned up, it's just heaven.
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All that waka waka waka waka up music while they're all beating
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people up. Joanna Lumley being a cool bit.
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Oh my words. Now listen, this is very left
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wing extremists, right? They come in and they're all
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smiles. Oh my dear, surely you must
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share all of our ideals. The second they realise she
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doesn't, they want to cancel her immediately.
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As I said, Oh yeah, just we must destroy her.
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I mean, it's the only option, isn't it really?
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But I will say, though, there's something that Ruth says that I
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think it's quite interesting. I don't have this here or the
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next scene they're in where she she if she's not conservative,
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if she's not right wing, she's definitely conservative with a
14:15
small city because she talks about moral degradation and
14:19
things like that. So she's sounding a bit like a
14:21
White Housey kind of character, whereas, you know, like I know,
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do you know what I mean? So that seems more to me to be.
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I mean the reminder room is brainwashing.
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You're forced in front of a screen until you're
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indoctrinated into what they think.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you don't get me wrong,
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they are very hippy dippy, right on.
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And they, yeah, they are a left wing group.
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But just that dialogue from her, she strikes me, as I say, more
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of a kind of Mary White House type character.
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What Terror says in the commentary is so great at that
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line about, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's for your own good. We're doing all this for your
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own good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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For your moral value and for the good of the Earth, we're going
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to wipe everybody out. Oh no, they don't know that.
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They just think they're going to another planet, don't they?
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Yeah, that's got to be a well, actually we're not there yet.
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We'll get to the this. How?
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How? Were they going to fight that?
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I mean, they're not in a spaceship.
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What? Yeah.
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What we what was the plan? When?
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When it actually happens. Maybe the bunker is sort of
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spaceship shaped and that's the only thing that will survive
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once everything else has gone. Actually, that makes sense,
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doesn't it? That's that's kind of the reason
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they're. Making it out, but cover it with
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a line as Tara says. Well, exactly.
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And a lot of things, you know, where people criticise this
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story is they, they, they will pick it apart for things like
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that. They'll pick it apart for
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always. Is it believable that Mark and
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Adam and Ruth and the others would, would actually fall for
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Grover's mad scheme? But actually, yes.
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Have you seen these cult documentaries that are on
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Netflix? People believe all kinds of
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shit. Yeah, people will believe
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exactly what what they want to hear.
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They will, you know, if they want the that ideal of a golden
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age, then they will, you know, they'll they'll definitely.
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Believe it. Women have literally been kept
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as sex slaves in dungeons believing that the whole earth
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has been destroyed. I've seen the documentaries.
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It's absurd what you can make people believe, but there we go.
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Don't talk too lately. I don't want the wife to hear.
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She might want to want a bit more freedom, but anyway, right?
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Well, you say. Go back to the dungeon.
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Oh. Well like I love all this.
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I'm getting Web of Fear vibes now as we go into the
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underground. Do you know what?
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There's not a lot of Dino action in this in the next episode, but
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this cloak and dagger shit, I just absolutely love the this,
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you know, the the underground set here.
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It's fantastic. It's quite Moody, isn't it?
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That's stalking. Around.
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Yeah, yeah. But.
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Why did they forget to light like this in the 80s?
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And when we get to the
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underground basin, perplease in the corals later on, that's
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brilliantly lit. It's all.
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It's all. Great.
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And there's a lovely theme, like a whip cracking, which, yeah.
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With the doors, yeah. The only unfortunate thing is
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when those doors come down there is a bit of wobble.
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I can. I can forgive it.
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I can forgive it. Well, there's a bit of wobble
17:05
when I move as well, so yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely forgive
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it. Steve, any biscuits?
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Dino action What exactly are you expecting?
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Well, you know, I expect a few more unconvincing scenes of
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dinosaurs against little dioramas, which we've enjoyed a
17:21
lot for the first few episodes. I want John Perry to come out
17:24
from his Hardness Park. Good grief.
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Martin Jarvis, are you involved in this?
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I want him to come back from underneath that bench going
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bloody hell what the hell was under there?
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Like the filter on the in the tube?
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I can't imagine lying underneath that seat.
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He's got a janitor's cupboard and a filing cabinet room, both
17:42
of which are. Brilliant And and the and I love
17:46
the the the effect of the the lights going up the slats.
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Look at that. That's so.
17:51
Convincing. That's so simple.
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Simple. Very simple.
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Yeah. Love it.
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And the fact that you go, is this the kind of thing that as a
17:58
kid you'd really grab hold of? Like I would when we watched
18:01
Carnival, I said I got really excited when Joe brings out some
18:05
skeleton keys. And it's just simple shit like
18:07
that that would have appealed to me as a kid.
18:09
And like pulling the the coat hanger and all of a sudden
18:12
you're in a lift going down into a secret base.
18:14
Great stuff. I just, I like, I don't think
18:17
this really stops giving, right. There's always new things to
18:20
discover, new traitors to discover, new dinosaurs to
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discover, new plants, which to discover.
18:26
There's always stuff happening in this.
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Yeah, like we said in the first half, I really don't understand
18:31
the people that I mean, do you remember that House Thomas
18:34
Walker book? They was giving it three and two
18:36
out of 10. What are they watching?
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David Howe, give it another chance, please.
18:42
I guess if you're of a certain age, like we talked in the
18:45
beginning of the Part 1 when we talked about my family watching
18:48
this, if you watch this when you're in your late teens and
18:52
you know you're watching it and the family's taking the Mickey
18:54
out of the dinosaurs, you probably would feel a bit
18:56
self-conscious about it and you might carry that with you.
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No, you ditched the family and watched off the home.
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Come on now, be reasonable. Yeah, yeah, like, sorry, mother,
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it's you or the dinosaurs. Look at how as, well, Look,
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they're not stupid. These golden age people, they've
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dressed this elevator with caps and cloaks and all sorts, you
19:16
know? It's a proper cupboard, yeah.
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Now my other half said, why does Peter Miles always play a camp
19:25
sinister villain? I think he's very good at it.
19:29
That's probably the reason. I mean this, I love Doctor
19:32
Lawrence in the Silence. I think that's a really,
19:35
especially when he died, that's a terrifying thing.
19:37
And obviously Noida is probably his best performance, so this is
19:43
probably his lesser, but I think there's so many good characters
19:47
in this, it doesn't really matter.
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He sort of throws into the pack somewhere.
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Yeah, he he's perhaps not as fleshed out.
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You don't spend a lot of time with him talking about his
19:56
motivations, and you get the impression that maybe Whitaker
20:00
is doing this for slightly different reasons compared to
20:02
the others. Maybe it's just like, you know,
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that the fact that he's been overlooked professionally and
20:08
and he's just wanting to prove something.
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But you know, it's, it's still Peter Miles, isn't it?
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So he's like, he's going to be great, whatever he just does.
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And Martin Jarvis as well doesn't have a huge.
20:17
Part that's even more shocking because Jarvis off is a bigger
20:20
draw. Yeah, I think at this time he
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used to, he was quite well known, but maybe not as much as
20:27
later years perhaps. And I think, I think he said he
20:29
just wanted to do this for the for his kids.
20:31
So. I mean, in the book, Butler's
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fleshed out brilliantly. He's, you know, a very tragic
20:37
but somehow. But yeah, there's a bit of
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wobble there. Look.
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Yeah, but this but look, look at the Moody lighting here.
20:43
And I love about this stuff like they're, they're like holed up
20:48
in their bunker and they're keeping him from reaching them.
20:51
So it's it's required. I don't think Doctor Who does
20:54
this very much where the doctors kind of prevented from actually
20:57
meeting the baddies is being held back and pushed back up, up
21:00
the up the lift. It's like a rat being LED for a
21:02
maze. Yeah, back to the very clear,
21:04
you know. Really cool.
21:06
I don't know. He's just really, really
21:08
different, I think. Oh look, you've got a bit of
21:10
Twin Dilemma blooming on the walls.
21:11
Yeah, yeah, they went on. That's that's for, that's to
21:15
convince the people when they come out of the spaceship,
21:17
they're actually, it was a spaceship.
21:20
Yeah, but these are nice sense, you're right.
21:22
Oh, there you go. Paddy Russell's realised the
21:24
walls wobbling so she's cutting away now before he's.
21:27
Yeah, and you see, you see Martin Jarvis kind of chuckling
21:30
there like he seems to be, I don't know, he's kind of an
21:33
interesting character because as I say in the book of he
21:36
obviously gets fleshed out a lot more.
21:37
But here you've got these little glimpses of it.
21:41
He seems quite sadistic in this. But actually then he's still the
21:44
one doing the voice over in the re education room or whatever
21:48
they call it. So he's obviously still in it
21:50
for the for the the cause, but he's also seems to be a bit the
21:54
bastard. He enjoys it as.
21:55
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's. One of those hench men you know
21:58
sort of rubs his hands together when he gets to do something
22:01
violent. Right, right.
22:02
I. Love the fact that in episode 2,
22:05
they've done all the groundwork for how this thing can exist
22:08
under the ground. Sarah was going there was an
22:11
underground bunker created in case of a nuclear emergency.
22:14
It had a reactor down there, equipment, everything.
22:18
So they they've got everything down there in order to pull off
22:21
this massive con. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
22:25
I mean it, it does make complete sense, doesn't it?
22:29
Anybody who says that, oh, you know, it's a, you know, I'm
22:33
plausible. I don't know this works for me.
22:36
Or pterodactyl. He's just hanging out on the
22:38
rock, having a nice son of himself.
22:40
And now he's going to be in the in the in the ground.
22:44
Oh, this is fun. Yes, mop versus dinosaur.
22:48
Oh. Fantastic.
22:51
Good grief, it's a pterodactyl. Oh my God.
22:57
I mean look, he ain't got much choice.
22:59
He's only got a few. I suppose he could have used the
23:01
bucket. I mean, what a story for the
23:05
doctor to tell over wine and Brandy's in the in the club.
23:09
Wow. Pterodactyl came flying at me
23:12
out of the underground. I grabbed a mop and buffed him
23:16
in the face. Amazing.
23:19
I think that's the only dinosaur bit we get in this one.
23:23
Actually, he does some, he does talk about this in the Happiness
23:26
Patrol, doesn't he? He says, oh, she goes, oh,
23:28
dinosaurs. And he goes, yes, I met him in
23:30
the London. Underground.
23:31
There we go. There we go.
23:34
Cheating, lying, cruelty. Yes, I think Ruth has got the
23:38
measure of us quite well actually.
23:40
Yeah, and, and a word I've never heard of before usury, and I
23:44
only saw it in the in the subtitles.
23:46
So when I watched this the other day and I was like, I don't even
23:48
know what that means. But you look it up.
23:51
I didn't. I just assumed I meant using
23:52
people, but. If you could get in touch
23:55
because I don't know what it means either.
23:56
Well, you've got plenty of writers listen to this, this and
23:59
being part of the podcast, so yeah, yeah.
24:01
Sarah had a great line there, though she goes.
24:03
You've got a warped view of things.
24:06
Right. And they do because they're not
24:08
seeing any of the good. Now I said, look out the window.
24:11
It's terrible. But then, oh, everyone I know is
24:13
Absolutely Fabulous. So the world is not made-up of
24:16
terrible people. I mean, look at the man I've got
24:18
on this call, you know, prime example of humanity at its
24:22
finest. Oh, I'm a complete bastard.
24:24
I wouldn't listen to a word I say, but it's yes.
24:27
Oh seductive, how much of A bastard are you?
24:29
Oh, I'm a rotten. I don't believe it for a second
24:35
now. What's always bringing the
24:36
Brigadier? He's Oh, this is pretty.
24:38
Bit worried since the triceratops.
24:40
Is it this bit or is that? Like, is that?
24:42
Yeah. Is that in this episode?
24:45
Sorry, yes. The stick of dynamite or
24:48
something? Isn't it just to light the way?
24:50
I think that's a great diorama with with the with that dinosaur
24:53
in the tube. I think that looks brilliant.
24:56
Oh, I think you know what, what you said about once you get past
24:59
the T Rex, the rest is they don't mean they're not.
25:02
They're not like Jurassic Park, but they're passable for Doctor
25:05
Who. Is that is that main T Rex model
25:08
like the the the hero head bit that one the guy?
25:11
Is really my favorite, though it's still my favorite.
25:14
Oh, you know, he's iconic, isn't he?
25:15
No one is as hungry as big man T Rex, you know he just wants to
25:19
eat everything. He looks like he's permanently
25:21
got like big dog bogies in his nose.
25:23
You're like 2 big black nostrils.
25:25
They should have got me in. I would have said to him, get a
25:28
big packet of Chewits, it'll be fine.
25:32
I love these two in the cupboard though.
25:33
This is great. Now, Brigadier, I've been
25:37
meaning to get you in the cupboard for ages.
25:41
Doctor, you said this was a lift.
25:42
Yes, that was my deceit. Look at Perry in the chair with
25:47
his hands. And he just shoves the file
25:51
across the desk. He's, yeah, he's like, really
25:53
pissed off. Oh Grover, me think you protest
25:57
too much. That's The thing is we know as
26:01
an audience, we know who's in on it now, but they're still over
26:06
this episode. In the next episode.
26:08
It's slow drip feeders. They're kind of figuring out
26:10
who's who's involved and who's not.
26:12
This line delivery in a minute is fucking gold.
26:15
He just looks at the file and he goes, I prefer to believe in the
26:19
evidence of my own eyes. And he looks at him as if to
26:22
say, I know you're involved in this.
26:25
Yeah. There it is.
26:26
Look. Oh, say purpose phoning it in.
26:31
Come on. Well, I think is it?
26:33
Oh, I did look this up, but like even this episode, I think it's
26:37
this episode like the day before or a couple days before he he
26:41
was broke. The news broke that he'd quit.
26:43
So. Maybe he's pretty good, right?
26:45
He goes. That's it.
26:45
I'm going to prove myself right. Yeah.
26:47
Yeah. You can't have this show without
26:49
me because I'm amazing. Yeah, absolutely.
26:51
Pass me that mop. Would you like a cup of tea?
26:57
I'll become quite the expert. No, no, no.
27:00
We don't want your hospitality. Thank you, Mr. Grover.
27:05
Ah, who's this? The chauffeur.
27:07
Well, that's a familiar face. It's Martin Jarvis.
27:10
Indeed. Good grief, I thought you were
27:13
in the underground. Terrible.
27:16
John Pertway impressions this time.
27:20
Ah, here we go. Since the dawn of the Industrial
27:23
Revolution, man has polluted this planet.
27:27
Yes. I mean, yes, and it's very much
27:30
Barry Letts his opinion, isn't it, you know?
27:32
That's why, yeah, yes. The Green Deaf.
27:35
I mean, and from all the camps, somebody who was kind of ahead
27:38
of the curve in many ways. And you know, from what we hear,
27:42
I mean, I don't know, but from what we hear, it wasn't
27:45
something that was hugely talked about at the time.
27:47
I remember growing up in the 80s by then, by that point, it had
27:51
become something that everybody talked about and we covered at
27:54
school and stuff like that. But I don't think 10 years here
27:58
beforehand, I don't think we they did.
27:59
Now I mean Trump such an idiot. Really.
28:02
You can't dispute the evidence of your own eyes.
28:05
Clearly things are getting hotter.
28:08
I mean forests are self igniting.
28:11
Yeah, no, but it's the wind turbines, Joe.
28:13
We need to get rid of them. They're terrible.
28:14
Oh, they're so ugly, aren't they?
28:17
Ruining our beautiful. What the cum he is.
28:21
Oh my God. Oh dear.
28:25
Yeah, but I think you've got 3 levels of extremists here.
28:30
Obviously Mark is the sort of the dupe and the gentle one and
28:35
then the mid range 1 is the man and then she's the extremist
28:39
really of the three. Yeah, yeah, but she's the other
28:42
politician as well. So like, I guess if you're going
28:44
to have somebody be that face of, you know, the, the kind of
28:48
hard line, I guess she's probably the one to have it, I
28:50
suppose I. Mean she does say, doesn't she?
28:53
If she doesn't come around, we'll have to kill her, Yeah.
28:56
Can't have her polluting. Destroyed.
28:59
That's the word she uses, kind of destroy her, yeah.
29:02
And like, you know what? I am a left winger.
29:06
So when I say this I mean I'm not talking about myself, but I
29:09
have seen extreme left wing ISM on social media.
29:13
People have been threatened with death.
29:15
Like it has happened, you know. Yeah, yeah.
29:18
I think like the the last time I recorded, I was like, I don't
29:23
know, like me, you know, they don't say party Grovers from I
29:26
think maybe there was a little bit of me going there.
29:28
I don't want to really recognize that.
29:31
I don't want to. See, that was a left winger.
29:33
He's. Yeah.
29:34
He's treating the people he's rubbed shoulders with, I think.
29:37
Yes, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
29:39
And I think it's really great because I mean, nobody can
29:43
accuse the perp we're of not showing you both sides in the
29:45
Green Death. You've got people looking for a
29:48
better world and doing it in a positive, creative and political
29:52
way. Here you've got people looking
29:55
for a better world and, well, they just want to cause a mass
29:58
genocide. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's it's very
30:01
much a companion piece to the Green Death, isn't it?
30:04
Yeah, it's the same same impetus, but like completely
30:07
different reactions to it. It's.
30:09
So interesting because you just don't expect the left to be the
30:13
villains. Yeah.
30:15
And that's, that's more interesting.
30:16
I know you said you'd prefer sort of black and white.
30:18
That's definitely a grey area, isn't it?
30:21
Of like, oh God, shouldn't we? I mean, their ideals are right,
30:25
but. No, you're totally, you're
30:26
totally right. It is, it is more interesting.
30:28
It does make for more interesting drama and it is
30:30
totally why the invasion of dinosaurs is the big success
30:33
that it is, I think, and why actually a lot of people, a lot
30:38
of people really enjoy this story, I think is that
30:40
sophistication. But yeah, I it's not something,
30:43
not a message you necessarily want Doctor to to be giving.
30:47
Don't trust the left wingers, all right?
30:49
Everyone become Nazis. But don't you worry, because
30:52
we're going to have the Nazis in Genesis and the Daleks, and
30:55
trust me, it's not a pretty depiction of them.
30:58
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Ah, hello, Doctor.
31:02
It's me. I'm the scientist you've been
31:04
looking. For Joe's kept me locked up in
31:07
his bedroom for three. Months.
31:08
Oh, Peter Miles, are you having a laugh?
31:13
Apparently he liked inviting men back to his house to listen to
31:16
some of his jazz, you know. Yeah, yeah.
31:19
Yes, indeed. Yeah.
31:23
Maybe we won't go there. No, no, yeah, I was going to say
31:26
that. Well, actually, I was going to
31:27
actually know what I want to say, but I'll talk about it 10.
31:30
Off Mike and are people listening?
31:32
You'll never hear it. Alright, just me.
31:36
Yeah. Oh, Now what's the plan then?
31:38
They're trying to lure him. Oh, they.
31:41
Got the yeah, they're going to frame the Doctor.
31:43
This is really interesting, I think right here.
31:46
What is it interesting? Cliffhanger is a great way of
31:48
bringing the dinosaurs back into it.
31:50
But also it's the kind of cliffhanger I don't think Doctor
31:53
Who really does like where the the credibility of the Doctors
31:58
being brought into like question here and it's.
32:01
Not solved straight away. No, it's not like don't be
32:05
ridiculous. It's the doctor.
32:06
He's put under arrest, he escapes, he's haunted down.
32:10
Exactly. And we don't know that the
32:12
Brigadier doesn't sort of dismiss it out of hands straight
32:16
away. And as you say, like he has to
32:17
go on the run. I don't think Doctor Who does
32:20
this very much. You don't expect, you don't
32:23
think you don't expect his allies like the Brigadier and
32:26
and and UNIT to go. Actually, Doctor, I think you
32:29
might have been involved here. So yeah, really unusual.
32:33
Jehoshaphat. Was that a stegosaurus I just
32:36
saw? I love doing an exclamation
32:40
every time there's a dinosaur, You know?
32:42
It's a pure John Perry style. And you, like you would think
32:47
straight away the Brigadier would go, oh, don't be
32:49
ridiculous. What he actually says is,
32:51
Doctor, you're under arrest. Under arrest, yeah.
32:54
That's a great line and the doctor's like, what the fuck's
32:57
going on? Like they they could have,
32:59
because that's on the reprise, isn't it?
33:01
But it's not on the cliffhanger, I don't think.
33:04
So that would have been actually more impactful if they'd have
33:07
cut it there with the Brigadier saying that, I think another.
33:10
Really interesting cliffhanger though, isn't it?
33:12
Yeah, yeah, definitely. As I say, I don't think Doctor
33:14
Who does that very often at all. Everyone always says, don't
33:18
they? Oh, it's just the T Rex turning
33:20
up every time. And admittedly, I think that is
33:21
four of the six cliffhangers, But the other two, they're
33:25
bangers. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
33:28
And I think we're in the next episode.
33:30
It is the Cliff, the T Rex again.
33:32
But again, it's it's doing, it's at the end of an episode where
33:36
we haven't really seen the dinosaurs at all.
33:38
So it's like kind of like bam. Yeah, they are still here.
33:41
They are still an issue, and you're going to have to sort
33:44
them out. So yeah, this is great.
33:49
Don't you worry, all right, I've got a big bottle of BBQ sauce
33:52
over it. If the 2 words turns up, I shall
33:54
slap myself in it and offer myself a sacrifice.
33:58
Oh, oh, that's very kind if you will allow me to make my getaway
34:02
in the humor Bill and. The world is nice, people like
34:05
you and not. Come to me.
34:06
All right? I fear I've been too nice on
34:10
these calls. If you speak to my wife, she'd
34:13
tell you what a git I am. So.
34:15
Oh, really? All right, well, get her on.
34:17
Let's find out the truth.