Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 967: Foundations - How to Choose the Perfect Shot During the Chaos of the Rut
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which is brought to you by First Light. I'm your host,
- 0:25Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about shot selection
- 0:28Speaker 2: in the field when the bucks are chasing and the
- 0:31Speaker 2: things have gotten a little hectic. It's the time of
- 0:35Speaker 2: year that should make your giblets quiver, my friends. And
- 0:39Speaker 2: if it doesn't, might I suggest nine holes of golf
- 0:42Speaker 2: instead of dark to dark sits seventeen feet up a tree.
- 0:45Speaker 2: The cool thing about this time of year is that
- 0:47Speaker 2: if you put in the time, you should get your chance.
- 0:50Speaker 2: But when you do, you don't get your chance. The
- 0:53Speaker 2: question of whether you can make good on it is
- 0:55Speaker 2: very real. There are some things you can do to
- 0:58Speaker 2: ensure a higher odd shot opportunity even when the bucks
- 1:01Speaker 2: seem held bent on covering ground.
- 1:03Speaker 3: That's what I'm going to talk about right now.
- 1:07Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, I dropped an episode of
- 1:09Speaker 2: this show about dealing with change in the deer woods,
- 1:11Speaker 2: you know how it's inevitable and all that jazz. Change
- 1:15Speaker 2: isn't limited to deer hunting, though, and I often think
- 1:17Speaker 2: about how lucky I was to hit the last real
- 1:19Speaker 2: window of pheasant hunting in southeastern Minnesota before the CRP
- 1:23Speaker 2: went away mostly and the birds kind of just disappeared
- 1:26Speaker 2: off the landscape. Now there are populations of pheasants down
- 1:29Speaker 2: there still, but they are the babysat kind of birds
- 1:32Speaker 2: that probably get pretty lonely at certain times of the year.
- 1:35Speaker 2: When I was in high school, it was a different story,
- 1:37Speaker 2: and we hunted those roosters pretty hard. My dad loved
- 1:41Speaker 2: a peasant hunt, so we often set out to pinch
- 1:44Speaker 2: ditches and walk waterways and small slews and whatever we
- 1:47Speaker 2: could do to see if we could get a rooster
- 1:49Speaker 2: to fly in front of our shotguns. We didn't have
- 1:52Speaker 2: a dog, if you're wondering, because my mom wouldn't allow it,
- 1:55Speaker 2: so I was basically the dog. One thing that I'll
- 1:58Speaker 2: never forget from those days was why my dad shoot.
- 2:01Speaker 2: He grew up in south central Minnesota, right close to
- 2:04Speaker 2: the Iowa border, so he has more pheasants under his
- 2:07Speaker 2: belt than most folks, and he can swing a shotgun
- 2:10Speaker 2: really well. Ingrained into my brain as a core memory
- 2:15Speaker 2: for some reason, probably because it highlighted a lesson I
- 2:18Speaker 2: really needed to learn. Was one time when I watched
- 2:21Speaker 2: a rooster get up right at his feet. Now, he
- 2:25Speaker 2: shouldered his little browning pump twenty gage, which was his
- 2:28Speaker 2: weapon of choice for anything that flew, as well as cottontails,
- 2:31Speaker 2: and then he waited. I had enough time to think
- 2:34Speaker 2: one thought, which was, why the hell isn't he shooting?
- 2:39Speaker 2: Then the report of that shotgun came, and the instant
- 2:41Speaker 2: crumpling of that rooster registered in my brain at the
- 2:43Speaker 2: exact same time, and I realized that he was simply
- 2:46Speaker 2: letting the bird get out far enough to not destroy
- 2:49Speaker 2: it with a load of sixes, and that trigger control
- 2:52Speaker 2: was absolutely amazing to me. I would have been three
- 2:55Speaker 2: shells deep on that rooster by the time that he
- 2:57Speaker 2: shot once, no question about that. So I'd have either
- 3:01Speaker 2: missed because my pattern would have been about baseball size
- 3:04Speaker 2: on the first shot or two, or I would have
- 3:06Speaker 2: a spaghetti fied that poor ring neck as if he'd
- 3:09Speaker 2: been sucked past the event horizon. Of a black hole.
- 3:12Speaker 2: I watched my dad shoot a lot of birds as
- 3:14Speaker 2: a youngster, but I remember that one the most. It
- 3:17Speaker 2: was a picture of confidence in knowing the situation and
- 3:21Speaker 2: understanding his capabilities. I think there are a lot of
- 3:25Speaker 2: lessons in there, most of which live in stark contrast
- 3:28Speaker 2: to bow hunting white tails, the average white tail hunter,
- 3:31Speaker 2: I would venture to guess, doesn't necessarily wait for the
- 3:35Speaker 2: right shot opportunity during certain encounters, and will instead try
- 3:39Speaker 2: to force something to happen, you know, as quickly as possible.
- 3:43Speaker 2: Those certain encounters, you know, they usually involve big bucks.
- 3:47Speaker 2: That forcing of a quick shot that is the result
- 3:50Speaker 2: of buck fever that none of us will admit to having.
- 3:53Speaker 2: But buck fever is just fight or flight panic mode,
- 3:56Speaker 2: which involves your brain letting you know that the thing
- 3:58Speaker 2: you really really really want is about to walk out
- 4:03Speaker 2: of your life forever and you had better shoot right
- 4:06Speaker 2: freaking now or he's going to get away. Buck fever
- 4:10Speaker 2: is a topic for another podcast, but if you're listening
- 4:13Speaker 2: to this, just assume that you might be afflicted by
- 4:17Speaker 2: some variation of it.
- 4:18Speaker 3: This fall.
- 4:19Speaker 2: If amature buck happens to walk in on you, and
- 4:22Speaker 2: when he does The best thing you can do is
- 4:25Speaker 2: try to identify your truly best shot opportunity, and you
- 4:28Speaker 2: should take that. But here's the thing. The general advice
- 4:32Speaker 2: on this is to take the first good shot you
- 4:34Speaker 2: can get. But what does that mean. Does it mean
- 4:38Speaker 2: that you should sneak one into his shoulder? Because the
- 4:40Speaker 2: first good shot he gives you is when he is
- 4:42Speaker 2: quartered hard in your direction and walking in Probably not.
- 4:46Speaker 2: What about if he shows up on a rainy late
- 4:48Speaker 2: October morning and surprises you and you realize he's at
- 4:51Speaker 2: thirty five yards and it looks like he's about to
- 4:54Speaker 2: keep going. It's not so simple that the first good
- 4:57Speaker 2: shot is the one we should take, because are we
- 5:01Speaker 2: so sure it's a good shot or are we talking
- 5:03Speaker 2: ourselves into a shot and then using that rule to
- 5:07Speaker 2: justify it. So let's back up. You know how, I'm
- 5:11Speaker 2: always telling you to watch more deer in real life,
- 5:13Speaker 2: you know, and glass them in the summer, Really pay
- 5:15Speaker 2: attention to the non target deer that show up around
- 5:18Speaker 2: your stands and blinds, you know that kind of thing.
- 5:20Speaker 2: Part of the reason for that is it because it
- 5:21Speaker 2: helps you see into the future.
- 5:23Speaker 3: Sort of.
- 5:24Speaker 2: Let's use an easy one here and talk about a
- 5:27Speaker 2: river crossing, for example. You know I love river crossings
- 5:30Speaker 2: because they are just awesome if you like to shoot deer,
- 5:33Speaker 2: and I do so. Imagine a twenty yard wide river
- 5:36Speaker 2: that's shallow and rocky. You could wade the whole thing
- 5:39Speaker 2: with you know, knee high boots. A deer can cross
- 5:42Speaker 2: that river just about anywhere. But you're on a spot
- 5:45Speaker 2: where they carved a nice trail on both banks, and
- 5:47Speaker 2: they use it a lot, So you post up over
- 5:50Speaker 2: it and a couple of dose approach the far bank.
- 5:53Speaker 2: They'll often mill around, take a good look, and then
- 5:56Speaker 2: drop down the bank. And once they do, they often
- 5:59Speaker 2: drink cross and then usually go up the far bank
- 6:02Speaker 2: fairly quickly. They don't like to not be able to
- 6:05Speaker 2: see what's in front of them. Now, as soon as
- 6:07Speaker 2: they get all four hoofs on flatter ground above the bank,
- 6:11Speaker 2: they usually take another good look around. In that behavior
- 6:15Speaker 2: is the behavior of all deer, even if they don't
- 6:19Speaker 2: all always do it one percent of the time. Now,
- 6:23Speaker 2: imagine the starts and stops of that dough group and
- 6:26Speaker 2: how they approach that crossing. Then you see a scrapper
- 6:29Speaker 2: six pointer coming. He stops on the far bank too,
- 6:33Speaker 2: to look around. But once he commits to crossing, he
- 6:35Speaker 2: drops down, wades the river, and climbs your bank in
- 6:38Speaker 2: one sequence of events where he doesn't really stop. He's
- 6:42Speaker 2: on the hunt for the ladies that just crossed, while
- 6:45Speaker 2: they were on the hunt for some water and some
- 6:46Speaker 2: food and mostly safe travels to get there. Those non
- 6:51Speaker 2: target deer might show you exactly when a big buck
- 6:54Speaker 2: would stop on his route through the same crossing. Now
- 6:58Speaker 2: that's simple enough, But now imagine a shit crossing with
- 7:00Speaker 2: two or three trails on your side of the river,
- 7:03Speaker 2: so that when they get to the bank they could
- 7:05Speaker 2: choose any one of them. Now things get a little
- 7:07Speaker 2: diceier because you're expecting a fifteen yard shot and it
- 7:11Speaker 2: all of a sudden becomes a thirty yard shot opportunity.
- 7:14Speaker 2: Will they climb the bank and stop for a few
- 7:16Speaker 2: seconds on one trail but not the other? How could
- 7:18Speaker 2: you predict that? Well by watching deer? What deer do
- 7:23Speaker 2: other deer do? My friends? I say that a lot
- 7:26Speaker 2: because I mean it. I think it's important. Now you
- 7:28Speaker 2: might be thinking, what does any of this matter since
- 7:31Speaker 2: I'm going to stop them anyway, Well, I'd say it
- 7:34Speaker 2: matters because if you don't have to stop them.
- 7:36Speaker 3: You probably shouldn't.
- 7:38Speaker 2: If you watch any of My Dear episodes, you'll see
- 7:40Speaker 2: me stop all of them pretty much every time. But
- 7:44Speaker 2: that's because I'm filming and I have to make sure
- 7:47Speaker 2: my cameraman can get on them. But it's not always
- 7:50Speaker 2: the best idea because stopping them can break bad in
- 7:52Speaker 2: a lot of different ways. You're giving them an intentional
- 7:56Speaker 2: sound to raise their nerves, and then most likely the
- 8:00Speaker 2: other sound of your bow going off that will change
- 8:02Speaker 2: the dynamic of the encounter. They'll tolerate one morp, maybe more,
- 8:06Speaker 2: but generally one is enough, but a merp followed by
- 8:10Speaker 2: a bow going off is definitely going to spook about
- 8:12Speaker 2: ninety nine point seven percent of the deer out there.
- 8:26Speaker 2: Not having to stop them buys you a slight cushion
- 8:28Speaker 2: on them, not quite wigging out if for some reason
- 8:31Speaker 2: you don't get a shot off, or you do and
- 8:34Speaker 2: you whiff. The other thing that makes murping them something
- 8:37Speaker 2: a little more dangerous is that the second you make
- 8:39Speaker 2: that sound, the clock starts ticking. Between your ears. You
- 8:44Speaker 2: know that buck stops, he looks around, and in your
- 8:46Speaker 2: brain you realize that it's t minus. Not too many
- 8:48Speaker 2: seconds until he's going to walk again. What can make
- 8:51Speaker 2: this far worse is when you murp them and they
- 8:54Speaker 2: instantly look at you with eyes the size of dinner plates,
- 8:57Speaker 2: and you know that he's like, look at that ass
- 9:00Speaker 2: in the tree. Now I need to run away, and
- 9:02Speaker 2: I'm going to very very soon. What do you think
- 9:05Speaker 2: that does to your brain when those precious seconds tick
- 9:08Speaker 2: away and he tenses up and your whole experience boils
- 9:12Speaker 2: down to trying to get that right pin to float
- 9:14Speaker 2: across the right spot on his body. The more you
- 9:17Speaker 2: can anticipate exactly what a buck should do and then
- 9:20Speaker 2: shoot him when he does it, the less likely you
- 9:22Speaker 2: are to put yourself in a situation where you have
- 9:25Speaker 2: to rush it to make something happen. This is easiest
- 9:28Speaker 2: to do in a spot where the deer have to
- 9:30Speaker 2: go through, which is often the best spot to be
- 9:32Speaker 2: this time of year when they start cruising. But what
- 9:35Speaker 2: if you're not in one of those sweet pinch points
- 9:37Speaker 2: or funnels. What if you're not posted up over a
- 9:40Speaker 2: perfect fence crossing where they'll all walk up, stop for
- 9:43Speaker 2: a few seconds, jump it, and then trot on.
- 9:46Speaker 3: Then again, you just have to pay attention.
- 9:48Speaker 2: A couple of weeks ago, I slipped into a chunk
- 9:50Speaker 2: of public land in northern Wisconsin that I'm bound and
- 9:52Speaker 2: determined to shoot a good deer in, And I saddled
- 9:55Speaker 2: up over a spot where an old logging road tees
- 9:57Speaker 2: up to two more logging roads. The main logging road
- 10:00Speaker 2: runs perfectly through a maybe fifty or sixty yard wide
- 10:03Speaker 2: swath of higher ground between two marshes. It's a great funnel,
- 10:07Speaker 2: but it's wide enough that depending on how they approach it,
- 10:10Speaker 2: they don't have to follow the logging road, especially through
- 10:13Speaker 2: the tee. They just come off the bluff and cut
- 10:15Speaker 2: corners to get through. And this hadn't really occurred to
- 10:18Speaker 2: me until I watched a dough do exactly that. Where
- 10:20Speaker 2: I had hung my set was where they were most
- 10:22Speaker 2: likely to cut the corner on either side, and I
- 10:25Speaker 2: should have been on the far side of the funnel,
- 10:27Speaker 2: where the whole thing actually next down. Now that dough
- 10:29Speaker 2: wasn't a one hundred and thirty five inch swamp bruiser,
- 10:32Speaker 2: but she showed me what a buck might like to
- 10:35Speaker 2: do there. The next time I'm there, pay attention to
- 10:39Speaker 2: the deer at all times, and believe them when they
- 10:42Speaker 2: show you something. It'll help you select better shot opportunities. Now,
- 10:46Speaker 2: another aspect of this that really relies on way too
- 10:49Speaker 2: many variables.
- 10:49Speaker 3: To list is when you should draw.
- 10:52Speaker 2: A lot of people will tell you stories about, you know,
- 10:55Speaker 2: drawing their bow and holding it for like three minutes
- 10:57Speaker 2: before shooting, but those people probably have no idea how
- 11:01Speaker 2: long their encounter really lasted. They also probably could not
- 11:05Speaker 2: draw their bow in their backyard and hold it at
- 11:07Speaker 2: full draw for three minutes, even if you put a
- 11:09Speaker 2: million dollars down and told them they you know, they
- 11:12Speaker 2: can have it all if they can hit one hundred
- 11:13Speaker 2: and eighty second mark. Drawing too early happens because sometimes,
- 11:18Speaker 2: you know, the deer just stop shy of your shooting lane,
- 11:21Speaker 2: or sometimes they just decide to zig when they were
- 11:23Speaker 2: supposed to zeg.
- 11:25Speaker 3: It happens.
- 11:26Speaker 2: But drawing too early also happens because we get paranoid
- 11:29Speaker 2: that they'll bust us, so we see them coming and
- 11:31Speaker 2: get that string back to our faces and wait. Over
- 11:34Speaker 2: the last several years, I've started to actually go the
- 11:36Speaker 2: other way with getting drawn. I tend to wait now
- 11:39Speaker 2: until they are right where I can kill them, at
- 11:42Speaker 2: least if I think there is a chance they'll hear
- 11:44Speaker 2: me or see me draw, and they hear and see
- 11:47Speaker 2: me draw a lot if it's calm and they are close. Essentially,
- 11:51Speaker 2: whatever light sound I have to make to get that
- 11:52Speaker 2: bow drawn is my surrogate merp. Now this brings me
- 11:56Speaker 2: back to rushing the whole thing. When they look you
- 11:58Speaker 2: dead in the eyes and signal that they know you
- 12:00Speaker 2: we're there. Almost every single deer out there will give
- 12:03Speaker 2: you more than enough time to aim and shoot in
- 12:05Speaker 2: that situation, but it's really hard to believe that until
- 12:08Speaker 2: you've done it a lot. This is one of the
- 12:11Speaker 2: reasons I try to preach the reality of learning to
- 12:13Speaker 2: hunt deer first before you focus solely on booners. A dead,
- 12:17Speaker 2: calm night where you draw on a dough at twelve
- 12:20Speaker 2: yards knowing full well she's going to bust you is
- 12:22Speaker 2: a different thing than hunting for three years to finally
- 12:25Speaker 2: get that same shot opportunity at one hundred and forty
- 12:28Speaker 2: inch buck on a Halloween.
- 12:29Speaker 3: What deer do other deer do, guys? And if you.
- 12:33Speaker 2: Learn when to draw on deer in general during very
- 12:36Speaker 2: specific conditions, you'll be better prepared in the future for
- 12:40Speaker 2: drawing on those different deer in those same specific conditions. Now,
- 12:45Speaker 2: there's one more thing I want to touch on with
- 12:47Speaker 2: this episode, and that is a follow up shot, your
- 12:50Speaker 2: second shot. I can look around my basement right now
- 12:53Speaker 2: and see a few shoulder mounts of good bucks that
- 12:55Speaker 2: I missed with the first shot and killed with my second.
- 12:58Speaker 2: I can also think of quite a few that I'm
- 13:00Speaker 2: missed that I tried to get a second shot on
- 13:02Speaker 2: but didn't, and those sting a lot.
- 13:05Speaker 3: Now.
- 13:05Speaker 2: It's not very common, but sometimes you get a redemption chance,
- 13:08Speaker 2: and sometimes you even get two of them if you
- 13:11Speaker 2: need them. In my experience, if I'm three arrows deep
- 13:13Speaker 2: in my quiver, i might as well throw my bow
- 13:15Speaker 2: at them and hope it knocks them out, because I'm
- 13:18Speaker 2: not likely to suddenly get my shit together and make
- 13:20Speaker 2: a good shot. But it happens, I'd rather have the
- 13:23Speaker 2: chance than not anyway. This is a situation that reminds
- 13:26Speaker 2: me of a common sentiment around owning a self defense
- 13:29Speaker 2: gun of some sort, where the idea is that you
- 13:32Speaker 2: probably won't ever need it, but if you do, it
- 13:35Speaker 2: had better be handy and you had better know how
- 13:38Speaker 2: to use it. I'm a pretty big fan of the
- 13:40Speaker 2: old Second Amendment and a big fan of that general advice.
- 13:44Speaker 2: So with a follow up bow shot, your second arrow
- 13:47Speaker 2: had better be handy or you might not get to
- 13:50Speaker 2: use it. Let's look at this from something that has
- 13:52Speaker 2: happened to me a few times, which is that I
- 13:54Speaker 2: get into stand and I hang my packup so it's accessible.
- 13:57Speaker 3: When I'm seated.
- 13:59Speaker 2: I take my quick off every time, and I strap
- 14:01Speaker 2: it to my pack so that it's easy to reach.
- 14:04Speaker 2: That's all smart and great and all that shit, but
- 14:06Speaker 2: I almost always prefer to stand up when a buck
- 14:08Speaker 2: walks in that I want to shoot.
- 14:10Speaker 3: Why you might ask.
- 14:12Speaker 2: Well, because as much as I'd like to be able
- 14:14Speaker 2: to predict dear behavior, they often don't do what I expect.
- 14:17Speaker 2: If I'm seated and anticipating a perfect shot on my
- 14:20Speaker 2: left side because I'm a right handed shooter, and suddenly
- 14:23Speaker 2: the buck walks behind my tree to my off side,
- 14:26Speaker 2: now I need to stand up to spin around. That's
- 14:29Speaker 2: big movement stuff when they are close, and I don't
- 14:31Speaker 2: like that. So I generally stand ahead of time. But
- 14:35Speaker 2: if I'm all stood up and I miss for some reason,
- 14:38Speaker 2: I now have to bend over and wrestle out an
- 14:40Speaker 2: arrow from the height of my knees. And that's a
- 14:43Speaker 2: big movement after a noisy miss. Not ideal. Now, you
- 14:47Speaker 2: could hunt for five seasons and never have that happen,
- 14:49Speaker 2: but when it does, it's really not ideal. You want
- 14:52Speaker 2: easy access to your arrows in the moment of truth
- 14:55Speaker 2: because you know that if you do miss a good
- 14:57Speaker 2: one but he sticks around, you're going to be in
- 14:59Speaker 2: panic mode. Sure it helps if it's super windy or
- 15:03Speaker 2: there is something else to distract them, like a hot dough,
- 15:05Speaker 2: but in your brain you're going to be redlining real hard,
- 15:09Speaker 2: and anything that keeps you from easily grabbing a follow
- 15:12Speaker 2: up arrow and getting it knocked quickly will only exacerbate
- 15:15Speaker 2: that panic. Now, you probably won't need a second arrow
- 15:18Speaker 2: on any given encounter with a toad, but on one
- 15:22Speaker 2: eventually you will. One of my favorite mounts is a
- 15:25Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty inch velvet buck that I whiffed
- 15:27Speaker 2: on at twenty yards only to double lung at thirty five.
- 15:30Speaker 2: And I can tell you that it wasn't a relaxing
- 15:32Speaker 2: situation to go through, even if it really worked out
- 15:35Speaker 2: for me.
- 15:35Speaker 3: Figure out how to.
- 15:36Speaker 2: Anticipate what the buck should do around your stands. Get
- 15:40Speaker 2: yourself in a position to shoot them naturally if at
- 15:43Speaker 2: all possible, and then understand how to grab another arrow
- 15:46Speaker 2: quickly and redeem yourself if the opportunity arises.
- 15:50Speaker 3: Do that.
- 15:51Speaker 2: Come back next week because I'm going to talk about
- 15:53Speaker 2: volume hunts in the rut and why if this might
- 15:55Speaker 2: be the hardest strategy to implement but also the best
- 15:58Speaker 2: strategy if you want to kill a really big one
- 16:00Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks.
- 16:03Speaker 3: That's it for this episode. I'm Tony Peterson.
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