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Is the Manosphere dead? Also, secret tips for writing manosphere villains! | Maintaining Frame 89 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian and
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  I am here with Allison who just got in got back you had to restart.
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  Yeah, hello, let's uh oh the topic today is Manisphere. Goodness,
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  So is the Manisphere dead? Are we the Manisphere now? Brian A
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  like we just outlasted everyone? Yeah? Were we ever the Manisphere? Well?
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  Well, I do you want me to answer that, like if we
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  are the Manisphere or not? Or is this rhetorical question for the audience?
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  Sure, go ahead and answer that question if it if it inspires you,
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  you know, well, I think that we are, whether we want to
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  be or not, because I think that the problem is is that, you
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  know, like it comes and it doesn't just come from people outside of the
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  space that we're occupying, you know, like like people who don't know what
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  that is, like people like I don't know, like you know, your
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  typical kind of like either you know, I don't want to say it,
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  like political commentators or cultural commentators that don't that don't know what the manosphere is,
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  don't know what the red pillars or whatever, And they're generally just responding
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  to the most prominent voices we've already seen it in the mainstream with people writing
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  endless like pieces on you know, the Manosphere and using Andrew Tait or Fresh
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  and Fit or the whatever podcasts as they're like essentially this is the the the
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  example we're using, but they in every article men's rights activists specifically are named
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  as part of it. So whether we like couldn't, it doesn't matter that
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  we can like point to the ways that we're different, because we are being
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  lumped in. And I think that it's by design, either because people are
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  low information and they're ignorant, or they don't want to be interested, or
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  they find that there is some benefit to throwing us in with that lot and
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  so and so it doesn't just come from like people who don't know. It
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  comes from within too. You get like you know, and I mean,
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  I know people are gonna rage about this, but the truth is is that
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  like Sidney Watson, for example, she used to do men's marches in Australia,
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  like that was how we learned about her, and now you know,
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  she rails against the manosphere or the red pill people as often as possible,
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  and there's almost never like a consideration for maybe there are people like that are
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  doing good stuff in the space, like like you know, it always comes
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  back to like the biggest voices, and even some of the people who watch
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  us, will you know, bombard me with messages saying you have to you
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  have to denounce these people because they're making you look bad, even though like
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  I don't know them, I don't associate with them, Like whoever it is,
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  right Andrew Tate? Yeah, like we don't, but but Andrew,
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  but we associated with him. But it doesn't matter though, because we're gonna
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  be What I'm saying is that we can't distance ourselves from it. So instead,
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  what we were going to ask is is that people, you know,
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  like just try to your best to kind of promote the people that are doing
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  the job well in your opinion, right, not like oh ask because I
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  mean, like how many times, like should we do a series of videos
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  where we like take down Fresh and Fit and take down Andrew Tate? How
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  many videos does require? Is it a waste of our time to do that?
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  Because in my opinion, it is because we could be like just doing
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  what we're doing, and maybe you know, you could just people could just
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  be like, yeah, I don't know why you're talking about those guys.
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  You know, they're basically just PUAs on steroids. Why aren't you talking about?
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  The media selects who they want to talk about. And then yeah,
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  but then like the but the online that they wanted to talk about. Yeah,
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  well the media they're they're like, we're talking about like the BBC and
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  the ABC and like you know, the Canadian Broadcasting whatever, MSNBC. They're
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  going to point people where they want the normies to go because they want to
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  be the authority. They're like, oh, you guys want to know what
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  the bananosphere is, or will tell you what the manosphere is. You want
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  to know what in cells are, or will tell you what in cells are,
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  right, And then they get to create the framing and they point people
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  in that direction, and they use whoever they can find to be the most
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  you know, easily sort of like easy to frame as toxic or harmful or
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  misogynistic, and they make them into the poster boys, which by the way,
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  boosts their profile. Why why are they so big? Because the media
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  makes them big because their content supports a broader narrative. They won't promote people
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  like us or or Janis Fiamngo, who's doing like amazing work because Janis is
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  just not like it wouldn't work on her, right, So they go after
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  the guys that are like, you know, playing at being masculine, that
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  smoke cigars in you know, in fucking saunas with like lots of women,
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  and they say, that's the manosphere, right, So it's like out of
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  our control, like you can't, we can't, like I'm not going to
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  be able to match that image. But it fits them. But the worst
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  part is the saddest part, I'll say the saddest part is that there are
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  people who should know better that still they fall into that frame and they start
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  operating in the paradigm the media created kind of like how most people operate in
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  the paradigm the feminist creative when they talk about patriarchy in the history or patriarchy
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  in this other part of the world. They're doing the same thing. They're
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  falling into the same traps, and they think that they're like intellectuals. Their
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  egos get invested. They can't back out and say, holy shit, I
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  was wrong, so they just continue to double down on that. And that's
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  what we you know, what we're experiencing now is you know, like we're
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  still doing the same work we've always done. I don't think the message has
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  changed much. Maybe we've changed because it's been ten years, and maybe like
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  are you know, some of our beliefs have moved a little bit here or
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  there, but we still maintained I mean, yeah, go convinced that the
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  relationship between the sexes is at the foundation of society. Yeah, you know
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  exactly. Remember when when I would say this and people would pooh pooh it.
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  But now I think people are realizing that I'm I was right. You
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  know that this is this is a foundational issue, and that you cannot frame
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  the relationship between the sexes in such a degrading, hateful way as we have
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  the past seventy years with feminist allegation without having serious blowback. And this is
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  what we're seeing is the serious blowback. I don't think that the red pillars
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  as framed by the media would exist. Do you think they would exist if
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  if family law was fair, if men had financial abortions, if male victims
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  of domestic violence and sexual assault actually got recognized. You know, this is
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  a reaction to a society that regards men as being expendable and justifies that with
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  a narrative that the society that regards that men are expendable treats them with privilege,
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  Like this is this that you know? Like I remember reading recently this
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  article. It was sent to us by one of our patrons, thank you,
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  Richard. It was an article on someone addressing the crisis of boys in
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  UK schools and they were saying that boys are shamed, like they're institutionally shamed
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  and it's leading to a rise of misogyny and girls will be most affected.
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  And I'm like, all right, what you're talking about is boys being shamed
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  by all the authority figures in their lives, or most of them, or
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  at least they're neutral or actively pushing this shame, like the White Ribbon campaign,
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  which is actually take responsibility for the sexual abuse, the sexual abuse and
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  violence inflicted on girls and women by a minority. So you have to take
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  responsibility for the behavior, the bad behavior of a subset of men that really
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  have no relationship to you unless you're part of that subset. And we have
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  pushed that on boys, which is a huge shaming narrative. We have allowed
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  the situation to exist where every authority a boy ever meets considers herself justified to
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  put him last while saying I'm putting you last because society puts you first.
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  And then we push that on boys as well. So all of this shaming
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  is resulting in boys not liking women and girls. Geez, I wonder where
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  that's coming from. And the thing is that as long as people don't care
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  about the initial harm they're doing to boys and men and only care about the
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  far minor fallout, like the response. It's like we're punching a boy in
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  the face, and when he bleeds on the girl's fist we complain about that.
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  We call that misogyny. No, that's just a reaction, you know,
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  Or even if he shouts out in pain, that's just a reaction to
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  someone else's action, and that action needs to be recognized as the proximal cause.
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  It's a proximal I don't know if that's the right word, the direct
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  cause of the reaction. And we really struggle with that. And why did
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  I get onto this, Oh? Yes, because if we actually had a
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  place in our society for recognizing that men can be hurt men and boys can
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  be hurt and protecting them from those harms, and they can be hurt by
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  the women in their lives and protecting them from those harms. I don't think
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  Andrew Tates or Fresh and Fits would have the t that they have. They
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  get big because they're trying to help men deal with the society that is utterly
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  indifferent to them to the point of actually malicious. And I'm afraid I got
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  into this Twitter exchange with someone who said, oh, boys, girls have
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  to deal with all kinds of stuff from blob and I said, okay,
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  point to me to the institutions who teach girls that they are responsible for the
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  sexual and domestic violence against boys and men, where they sit a girl down
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  and say you better take responsibility for violence against men. And also point me
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  to the institution that teaches girls, oh, you are responsible for oppressing men.
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  And he was like, well, it's confidentiality, So I said,
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  okay, point me to the campaigns like the White Ribbon campaign for girls,
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  and of course you can't because there is one. Because the overwhelming institutional pressure
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  is to tell boys and men that they are worthless unless they are serving girls,
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  that they don't have a right to their own internal experience, and these
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  red pillars are just a reaction to that. What do you expect They're trying
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  to live in a world that apparently wants to turn men and boys into slaves.
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  I know that sounds really really hyperbolic, hyperbolic, but what is it
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  when you expect work from a class of people without being willing or regarding whatever
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  they want in reciprocation for that work as to be entitlement. You look at
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  a class of people and when they say, well, we want to work
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  for X, which might be families, relationships, children that you get to
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  keep, houses that you get to keep, and you call that entitlement.
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  That is the attitude of a slave owned society, that you are that the
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  society is entitled to a group of people's labor, regardless of whatever thing that
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  they want for that labor. It's in fact them that's entitled to being to
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  getting what is it, some kind of compensation for their labor. That once
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  we're in that rhetoric where we think that men are entitled when they say well,
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  this is why we participate in a society for a reasonable chance at having
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  a family and children and a job and things that we can keep. You
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  know, when we called men entitled for that, we're essentially saying that we're
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  entitled to their labor, and what the hell is that? You tell me,
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  everybody who thinks I'm being hyperbolic, you tell me what that is.
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  You explain it. How society becomes feels like it's entitled to another group of
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  people's labor. And if we got rid of all of that, if we
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  actually had space for men genuine experience of vulnerability and their needs, they wouldn't
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  be trying to square this circle with people like Andrew Tate and fresh and fit.
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  Yeah. Sorry, that was along. That's all right. I just
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  I'm what I'm I guess what we're gonna get at is what I think is
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  happening. Is on top of again the fact that the framing is set up
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  to where our perspective, like specifically here at HBr and people that are similar
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  to us. I think Paul is like pretty on the same page as us.
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  Even some migtile content creators have talked about how, you know, if
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  we don't change the laws or we don't do something about things at the legislative
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  level, then there's not going to be any significant change. And there is
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  a lot of rhetoric in those circles about like getting laid and how to game
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  women and all this stuff. I'm saying that those things don't have their place.
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  But what I'm saying is is that what is happening is I think,
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  is that the people who have the most cringe takes, or at least the
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  takes that can most easily be exploited by the elites, by the establishment in
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  terms of maintaining this framework of men are bad for women, right, In
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  most cases, their content is being lifted up by the media and the algorithm,
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  and I think that they have algorithms at work to do that. And
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  the fact that our content does better on Twitter than anywhere else, despite Twitter's
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  limitations, is kind of evidence of that. I'm not saying that Elon is
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  our guy. I'm not saying that, So just stop typing now if that's
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  what you're going to say. What I'm saying is is that the fact that
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  he's not actively trying to like suppress, like Twitter is not actively trying to
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  suppress us, and our message is reaching more people than YouTube and Twitch and
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  what else are we on. I know we're on Rumble and Rumble is just
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  kind of small, but i'd like you guys were on Rumble. But the
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  fact that this, okay, I'll part this Okay, So what I think
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  judging from what's happening with Twitter, and you can continue after this, but
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  what I think what's happening with Twitter with the essentially the algorithm is no longer
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  on our back, right, I think that honestly, I mean Karen's content
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  is very is very good, but I think she got in just before the
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  algorithm, oh for sure. Yeah, definitely before the apocalypse, but that
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  wasn't when it started. Yeah yeah, yeah, So if you think about
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  it, we might be equivalent to maybe not Karen's side, because I know
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  that I'm not. I am not as charming as Karen is, because she's
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  very charming, but we could have been closer to her size if the algorithm
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  hadn't come down on us as hard as it did. And that's just judging
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  from our growth on Twitter or exeter. What do you ever want to call
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  it? You know? So, I mean this is a serious thing,
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  like this is something that you know, It's just it's just an uphill battle.
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  And part of it is because nobody wants to listen to things that generate
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  understanding. They want to listen to strategies of how to deal with the enemy.
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  This is what I've noticed, and maybe maybe what we're saying doesn't really
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  generate understanding, because I definitely I'm holding to this line. If we don't
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  extricate ourselves out of the mess that vilifying the relationship between men and women has
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  dugs created, that we're not going anywhere, like we're going to continue down
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  this road until we do that hard right turn and start doing something different.
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  Okay, all right, I'm sorry hijack to your point, but continue.
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  No, I'm just saying, so I guess what we're going to get into
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  the Yeah, what we're actually going to talk about. Yeah, so you
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  want to start with revenance since we're already on the topic of the Manisphere being
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  dead? Do you want to start with that? Yeah? Sure, like
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  that's what we come up here. So yeah, yeah, so I have
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  it up here. I was gonna show a skipio, so maybe i'll do
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  that while you're talking. All right, So there's this guy on Twitter named
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  Revenant and uh, there's something kind of interesting about this that I thought it
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  was worth sure, and but he he made this post on Twitter and like,
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  you know, he's a good dude, So don't he's not our enemy
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  at all. He used to like he used to watch our content. He
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  said, we really lost something with the death of the Manisphere. The Manisphere
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  was chiefly anti feminist, deep diving into source material, critiquing literature, activism,
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  policy frameworks, et cetera. Red peel poa stuff is mostly black guys
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  getting mad about vulgar sexuality stuff. Ten years ago, Manisphere posters were talking
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  about the Dluthe model of domestic violence, the harms of no fault divorce,
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  the kafka esque, a historicity of the feminist worldview. Now it's black guys
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  winning out of about OnlyFans thoughts, the Dalute model is completely insidious by the
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  way, I have scarcely heard of it even mentioned since twenty fourteen or so.
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  Notice how all of the language presumes that she is a victim. So
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  he goes and explains like the Dluthe model, and he's basically like trying to
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  draw some attention, right, he says, I'm not saying the turn is
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  surprising, But the odds of these the olds of these cliches, the thirty
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  to forty year olds need to make need to making more of an effort to
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  pass this knowledge on. Stardusk is one of the only intelligent guys still around
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  and all he does is post Blackpill Dumer content, which is true. And
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  I said to him, some of us are still here. And I think
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  that what it pointed to is that everything he's saying is true. Like we've
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  been talking about this stuff for ten years and we haven't stopped talking about it,
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  like at every opportunity, like I try to talk about, you know,
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  domestic violence, divorced child, custody, false allegations, all the usual
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  suspects, the Duluthe model, you know, the title nine whatever, right,
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  And I don't think I don't think it's a case of the you know,
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  the Internet is easily distracted or it moves too fast or anything like that.
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  I think that like this guy so I met, I messaged him,
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  or he messaged me. He sent me a DM. He said, which
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  one of you is this? Because it just says Honey Badger Arcade, So
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  he doesn't know. And I said, I told him who I was,
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  and he said, uh. And I said to him, I said,
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  my name is Brian, I'm a Honey Badger Radio. I'm the Uh.
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  If the manosphere doesn't look the way you remember, it's likely not because it's
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  changed. It's more likely because the algorithm is promoting certain content creators more than
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  others, and it's not likely by accidents. Andrew Tate and fresh and fit
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  types a much easier to dismiss than we are, so we remain small and
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  they come huge because they can much more easily be made into the Boogeyman.
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  And not only that, but other other red pill Yeah, other red pill
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  manisphere guys like your your Anthony Dream Johnson's and you know other dudes, they
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  can also benefit. That's why they also, like you know, have big
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  giant podcasts where they you know, bring on OnlyFans thoughts and dress them down
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  and they get like tons of views and super chats because even though they get
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  loaded, the narrative wins ultimately like the narrative that the media wants to push.
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  Oh look, this is what the manisphere is, right, And that's
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  why DHS, the Department of Homeland Security can like invest you know, six
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  figures into various organizations. We have to stop those guys. But so it's
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  like this feedback loop of like red pill and I don't even know like if
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  these red pill guys are real like becks who I'm going to be having on
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  the show b X we had on the show before. She's coming on a
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  Monday, and she might have some mind blowing like revelation, some some more
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  tea yes about like some of these dudes being like Glowe's, which of course
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  does not surprise me because I said it. I was like, how many
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  of these guys are FEDS? Like some of this shit is so like out
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  of nowhere, Like you know, it seems artificial, and you have to
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  wonder, right, what we're gonna say? Do? I wonder do you
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  remember what was there any time? Like I remember there was a time when
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  I was so innocent I would have been like, no, yeah, oh
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  where you would have thought, oh, that's just conspiratorial nonsense. The FEDS,
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  why would they Why would they come into red pill Reddit? Yeah?
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  Why would they have an interest in the man? God damn, I mean
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  they're coming after fucking people playing roadblocks online, Like why wouldn't they come for
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  the manager? God comes so freaking jaded. I think No, I think
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  no, I think that it's just the truth. I don't. I don't
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  think it's I think it's good, Like I honestly think I don't think anybody's
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  gonna argue with that anymore, Like I say, if we say, yeah,
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  there's FED plants and they plant like red pill people to make seem like
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  this is the content right right, or the reason why we don't get big
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  is actually we are being targeted by the algorithm and both agencies. I don't
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  think anybody's going to be like, oh, you're crazy anymore any eats.
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  No, I think anywhere that in particular, men congregate online no matter what
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  it is. It could just be a bodybuilding forum. You know, there
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  will be FEDS there, I promise you, like they're they're monitoring men specifically,
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  no matter where they are. It could be like fucking guys teaching each
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  other bowling techniques, and they'll be they'll be FEDS in there saying team of
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  foremen exactly. Actually the FEDS will literally be service is for men. Yeah,
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  maybe they'll just I'd be like, oh, the the the men's shelter,
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  all of the staff are FEDS, you know, the Men's helpline,
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  all the staff are FEDS. And then finally we'll actually have government services because
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  it'll be all staffed by FEDS trying to trying to infiltrate and make sure.
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  I don't know, I just want that. Well. I think it is
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  funny because I mean and I wait, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
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  wait okay, okay, okay, okay, Feds guys who are listening,
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  I think it's a great idea for you guys to start constructing men's domestic violence
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  shelters and helplines. Now, you have to remember that you have to stay
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  in character the entire time, of course, so you have to offer them
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  legitimate, non feminist help. But I think this would be a great way
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  for you to prevent terrorism. Oh shit, I said the word furinism.
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  It would be a great way for you to prevent furries. Okay, I
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  think that would be a great way for you guys to set up genuine men's
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  helped there. There are definitely FEDS in the furry communities. I'm sure of
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  it, sure of it. You know, it's probably they're probably more FEDS
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  than furries, honestly, but I wouldn't be surprised. You There was like
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  a story I remember a story where a bunch of guys like where there was
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  like this fed op and none of the like the almost every man involved in
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  the op was a FED, and they weren't aware of each other and so
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  they were all like, I'm serious. I'm pretty sure it was somebody in
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  the chat probably remembers I remember hearing about that from some time ago. Anyway,
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  So so I said this to Revenance, right, and I said,
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  he said, completely agree. They are a real problem because they use the
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  serious work you guys did and springboarded off of it to run a grift.
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  And I said, not much we can do about it except continue to create
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  content and hope that more people will talk with us. And then he said,
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  I you know, I used to listen to your stuff and I didn't
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  know you guys were still around. And he hasn't answered, but I mean
• 24:59
  what I wanted to ask him is okay, so like if you wait,
• 25:00
  but if you used to watch us, then why like, like have you
• 25:07
  no? I know we never stopped making content, but what I think happened
• 25:11
  is that people were being unsubscribed, unfollowed from our account, along with a
• 25:17
  lot of other ones. Because we know this has happened to doctor Randmrakham.
• 25:21
  We know this happens all over I know that I know plenty of guys like
• 25:25
  yeah, so so like that's the algorithm Jonathan from my channels, like it's
• 25:30
  ridiculous, and he's like, why am I no longer receiving your content?
• 25:33
  And then he looked into it and he'd been upset. My husband had been
• 25:37
  unsubbed for my channels exactly. So I think that I told him and if
• 25:41
  you're listening, because I sent him my message saying we're doing the stream revenent.
• 25:45
  If you're watching this, first of all, hello and thank you for
• 25:48
  the message. But were you did you unsubscribe or were you unsubscribed by the
• 25:52
  algorithm, because I think that there was I mean, this is why we
• 25:56
  stopped putting content on the main channel, because there was this weird, fishy
• 26:00
  stuff going on. And that's why, by the way, I'm trying to
• 26:06
  promote Rumble and also our Twitter because apparently that does the best. Was that
• 26:11
  what happened with the main channel is well okay. So our channels have been
• 26:17
  subject to a lot of strikes. Once we got a strike for showing a
• 26:22
  man being groped by a woman in public on his like over the clothing to
• 26:29
  discuss the issues of people not caring about men being sexually assaulted, and we
• 26:33
  got a hit for that because you aren't supposed to show people being sexually assaulted
• 26:40
  in a titillating manner, and like what And then we got other hits for
• 26:45
  other stuff that was all erroneous and it nearly knocked out our Badger live streams
• 26:52
  channel. But what ended up happening is oh, and we also got an
• 26:56
  erroneous copyright strike from a creator, a trans woman creator who got upset at
• 27:03
  some respectis oh Tina, Tina? Was it Tina? No? No,
• 27:07
  no, wait when we had her on for a fireside chat or that person.
• 27:11
  No, no, that wasn't That wasn't that different trend has nothing to
• 27:15
  do with Tina. Okay, this so I had I actually made a whole
• 27:19
  bunch of stuff private and not bunkered down to weather that storm because it all
• 27:23
  happened within like a month, so it was I don't know if it was
• 27:27
  targeted, but you know, it's a little suspicious if everything's happening within a
• 27:30
  couple weeks of each other, you know. And so we bunkered down on
• 27:34
  the main channel, and I've kept the main channel and I occasionally put content
• 27:40
  on it. I am going to try to do more. But part of
• 27:41
  the reason why I stepped back is I'm focusing on my writing because I think
• 27:45
  storytelling is really where more of the change in the social attitudes is going to
• 27:49
  come from. But I keep it around and I keep putting occasional content on
• 27:55
  it because I feel like it functions as like an icebreaker. So if anything
• 28:03
  comes at us, it'll come at us through this larger channel, because they'll
• 28:07
  probably see it as the bigger threat and that might give us time to bunker
• 28:11
  down again. I know this sounds crazy, guys, but I've been having
• 28:14
  to play the defensive game for like eight years now, and everything that I
• 28:19
  do is predicated on defense. And speaking of defense, I really want to
• 28:23
  give a shout out to all of our supporters because the reason why we continue
• 28:27
  to be here after ten years, the reason why we may be one of
• 28:30
  the few men's issues content creators, like genuine men's issues content creators that are
• 28:37
  still going after ten years, is because of you guys supporting us. Like,
• 28:44
  the thing is that as much as I want to make sure that all
• 28:47
  that I would still have this voice out there, you know, you get
• 28:49
  into the movement of life and it gets more and more difficult to be able
• 28:53
  to do it. But the fact that you have funded our operation has meant
• 28:57
  we have been able to work at this for ten years and not disappear,
• 29:03
  even though YouTube really wants us to and probably the Alphabet agencies really want us
• 29:08
  to. Sure, but we are because of you. Yeah, we're being
• 29:15
  I think that's why this content and looking it's not I'm not boasting. I'm
• 29:18
  saying, like you know, there's plenty of people that are doing really good
• 29:22
  stuff, like Paul and Janice, Like I've said, people like TiAl Deer
• 29:26
  who's basically just just moved to Rumble Coletane. There's lots of guys making good
• 29:30
  content, they're just not on YouTube. And I would ask, remember there
• 29:34
  were guys that we used to see all the time. I remember, is
• 29:38
  it Shapin that was his name, or just a Carr or yeah, Like,
• 29:45
  there are plenty of people who used to do stuff. Some of them
• 29:48
  well we lost, like you know, Angry Angry, Yeah, my c
• 29:53
  crew. Yeah, I love microrew stuff. It was so good. Oh
• 29:57
  yeah, Angry Harry, Harry, the the the Man Woman, myth.
• 30:04
  You know, these guys were great. But like and Mike Buchanan. But
• 30:10
  like I think that like the only I can't do anything about the stuff that
• 30:17
  the that the the algorithm promotes and I and I think it's it is a
• 30:22
  lot of it is artificial promotion, but it also sort of like is a
• 30:26
  self perpetuating machine, you know, because if I was I could understand the
• 30:30
  temptation if I was like Fresh and Fit or Brian from the Whatever Podcast,
• 30:34
  not this Brian, but that Brian, and I saw that, Wow,
• 30:38
  you know, I'm getting millions of views, I'm getting lots of money.
• 30:41
  I'm gonna keep doing this. I'm gonna keep doing this. And then all
• 30:45
  the other people they feed into it, you know, like all of the
• 30:48
  guys in the Daily Wire make appearances on the Whatever podcast because it promotes their
• 30:52
  channel, and so they they're growing off of each other even and there and
• 30:56
  like there was this whole kerfuffle with this OnlyFans girl that you know, was
• 31:00
  like super degenerate on the show and then she's like turned to Christ and everyone's
• 31:04
  having a big debate about whether or not it's legitimate, and it's all it
• 31:08
  is is like good for them because the algorithm keeps them like that conversation kind
• 31:15
  of perpetually, you know, like a perpetual machine going and going, Like
• 31:19
  this Fresh and fitth thing where he like knocked up some stripper, and now
• 31:23
  everybody's having a talk about that, you know, and we're I mean,
• 31:27
  I just don't see the value in talking about that aside from what is it
• 31:33
  that normal men can learn from it, you know, like that That's why
• 31:37
  I was interested in the Crowder situation, for example, not because I wanted
• 31:41
  to like piggyback on the drama, because I didn't care about the drama.
• 31:45
  I'm looking at it more like, Okay, men, it doesn't matter if
• 31:48
  you do everything right, you save yourself and all of this other stuff,
• 31:52
  you can still be taken to the cleaners, Which means there has to be
• 31:55
  we have to have a talk about the laws. We have to have a
• 31:57
  talk about divorce and what it means means. Right, we can't really,
• 32:02
  we can't really you know, sort of pinpoint whether or not a woman is
• 32:08
  gonna be loyal or not all because we don't know, Like some women are
• 32:12
  gonna despite everything, they're gonna be good women, and some women, despite
• 32:15
  everything, are gonna be awful women. But what we need to look at
• 32:19
  is be able to talk about what are the incentives in place that move the
• 32:22
  needle on that, and like are they fair should we be talking about that,
• 32:28
  like, and this is very difficult to do because the temptation to just
• 32:32
  like piggyback off of it, yeah, go for the gossip is you know,
• 32:37
  very strong. I mean if you like are interested in growing, and
• 32:42
  I think that that's the thing, Like I would like to be able to
• 32:47
  be done just like do so like quietly go back to like like living in
• 32:53
  regular society or doing something else. I'd like that, but I can't.
• 32:59
  I'm kind of like invest it now, so I just have to like try
• 33:01
  to see this through. Well, I want to. It was a ship
• 33:06
  start the story, I mean it started in a shitty way, but now
• 33:08
  you're investing. Yeah, yeah, I want to see it through, and
• 33:14
  like you know, it'd be it would be great if like we could at
• 33:17
  least I wouldn't expect any of this to be fixed in my lifetime, but
• 33:22
  it would be great to see that we at least got the ball rolling towards
• 33:25
  a positive or so. But I do think I do think that I do
• 33:30
  think that there we have had a I think we've had an impact. I
• 33:35
  mean, like it doesn't show up obviously it's not directly with us, but
• 33:38
  there are people Again they're like they are approved, you know, in one
• 33:44
  way or another by the algorithm. Like people like like I already mentioned the
• 33:47
  guys that you know, you can call them drifters or whatever, but like
• 33:51
  the guys that use the talking points of people who came before them, like
• 33:55
  Kevin Samuels or whatever, or or they heard it around here. I mean,
• 34:00
  I'm sure that if they know about the Deluthe model and they know about,
• 34:02
  you know, some of the stuff that Karen's talked about, they're just
• 34:06
  using that, you know, going forward. I know Crowder had Karen on
• 34:08
  his show multiple times. He's not necessarily like a you know, a Manisphere
• 34:13
  guy, but he's certainly like talking around that and then other people. You
• 34:16
  know, it's sort of like how many degrees of separation? Right? But
• 34:21
  then there's also what was gonna say, the there is another side to it
• 34:29
  too that's rubbing off in its own way. There's like the I can't remember,
• 34:35
  I'm sorry, but I'm just saying there are people who benefit, and
• 34:37
  it just keeps perpetuating itself, and you know, I would like to see
• 34:42
  things. Oh yeah, but I've was saying it's it's having an effect,
• 34:45
  Like you know, I'm hearing a lot of these talking points coming from somewhere
• 34:49
  else, and I'm sure that they originated like where they first heard it comes
• 34:52
  back closer to where we are. Wouldn't say it's us, but closer.
• 34:55
  You know, maybe they saw a man woman myth video somewhere, maybe they
• 34:59
  saw an angry hairy blog somewhere or whatever, or someone else read it,
• 35:04
  you know, read something on a Voice for Men or CFM. I will
• 35:07
  say, what I think is exclusive to us is having, at least to
• 35:10
  me, is having stuck to my guns about the foundation of all of this
• 35:15
  being the issues between men and women, because we get distracted not just by
• 35:19
  the gossip but also by the political divisions, and it's like, no,
• 35:24
  this comes down to that, that relationship. I mean, where else does
• 35:29
  a society come from. These these elaborate structures don't form unless they facilitate the
• 35:34
  process of reproduction, and that means they tie into the relationship between the male
• 35:40
  and the female of the species. And if that relationship deteriorates, then you
• 35:45
  see a general deterioration of the entire society. And you know, it may
• 35:52
  be that there are particular interests who are invested in that they maybe they are,
• 35:58
  you know, maybe they're communists, maybe they're corporatists, maybe they're the
• 36:01
  Fed. No offense, you know, but yeah, no offense, you
• 36:08
  know. But their ultimate weapon is the destruction between this of the relationship between
• 36:15
  the sexes, and we need to fix that, and we need to focus
• 36:17
  on fixing that, and most people don't want to approach that. I see
• 36:24
  all of this political stuff and the gossip as deflections because people don't want to
• 36:30
  question something fundamental about themselves, which is how they've structured their identities. It
• 36:36
  takes a rare bird to be able to tolerate something like that. And what's
• 36:40
  interesting is that when I've been, of course learning how to write or improve
• 36:46
  my writing, and I read books, and recently I write a book.
• 36:52
  I will get you the title later because it's not coming to me off the
• 36:54
  top of my head. But they said this, this particular guide to storytelling
• 36:59
  said, start this story when your main character encounters something that questions their identity,
• 37:07
  that that puts their fundamental identity into question. So, for example,
• 37:13
  if you have a character that thinks of herself as being the most effective secretary,
• 37:19
  have her deal with the process of her office being computerized in her not
• 37:25
  knowing how to use computers, because that actually hits right at her identity as
• 37:31
  an effective secretary. Now she no longer can have that without gaining skills that
• 37:37
  she doesn't have, which means in the introim that she has to acknowledge that
• 37:40
  she's not effective. And so what you do is you And then the character
• 37:46
  has to make a plan how are they going to deal with this question of
• 37:51
  their fundamental identity? The question pose the threat posts to their fundamental identity,
• 37:54
  and that's the story. Okay, Well, what we talk about here challenges
• 38:01
  people's fundamental identity. We are now generations into believing that men oppress women.
• 38:09
  People have formed their identities on that as men and as women for summary of
• 38:16
  But for men, the identity that they form around it is that they're the
• 38:21
  one good man, the one good man who deserves the women or a woman
• 38:28
  who has satisfied the woman or a woman, or the one good man who
• 38:31
  is only he's the only one who cares about women. That is the investment,
• 38:37
  that is the fundamental identity that they have derived from that structure. And
• 38:43
  then for women, I think a lot of women believe that if they don't
• 38:49
  keep an eye on men that somehow men are going to jump out of a
• 38:52
  bush with a net and drag them off to the sandwich mines. So they
• 38:58
  need this this sense of threat, this constant sense of threat, so they
• 39:02
  can maintain eternal vigilance over the men in their lives. And they actually have
• 39:09
  constructed an identity around this constant sense of threat. It's like an inborn anxiety
• 39:15
  disorder. And I also constructed an identity over how being seen as morally better
• 39:22
  than men, because that's really what it comes down to. Feminism makes women
• 39:27
  seem or be perceived as morally better than men. Men are the rapists,
• 39:31
  men are the abusers, men are the oppressors. Men are the hateful gender
• 39:36
  men men, men are the ones who are lesser morally than women, which
• 39:40
  means that women can always be right, at least morally, And that's another
• 39:46
  thing that they center their identity around. And when you're coming around, when
• 39:50
  you're trucking around, which is what I found over and over and over again,
• 39:53
  and you're like, hey, that doesn't seem to be really founded.
• 39:58
  Logically, people re act very badly because you are threatening something fundamental to who
• 40:05
  they think they are. I mean, and that's all, we're always going
• 40:08
  to be dealing with the headwinds that are forcing us back against that, Like,
• 40:13
  there's always going to be strong headwinds to that. And then you add
• 40:16
  on the the algorithm apparently making us invisible to people so that they think that
• 40:22
  the manisphere, the quote unquote manisphere is dead. I think what he's actually
• 40:27
  specifically referring to is the coalition of MiG Tao and like not coalition, but
• 40:32
  like, you know, sort of loose arrangement of Migtao and men's men's issues
• 40:37
  advocates and like the original PUAs who aren't as crazy. I don't think that,
• 40:43
  Yeah, I'm here, I'm here, but you are just going on.
• 40:46
  I don't think the PUAs have changed much. I think that, like
• 40:50
  I said, okay, so if we break down the manusphere into three parts,
• 40:52
  let's just keep it simple and leave out the in cells. I don't
• 40:55
  think that's that's a little bit different. So we just bring it down to
• 41:00
  the PUAs, the MRAs, and the Migtau. The PUAs haven't changed much,
• 41:06
  but they have grown, and I think the reason is because again the
• 41:09
  establishment can see that they're the easiest ones to demonize. Remember, when we
• 41:15
  started doing this, we had to constantly explain to people that we were not
• 41:20
  PUA's because they were trying to like label us with the pua, you know,
• 41:27
  like I don't know, with the stink of the pua, the black
• 41:30
  spot as it were, and it just wasn't true. And so and I
• 41:34
  think it's because they're the easiest ones. But even then, and I say
• 41:37
  this in defense of PUAs in general, like, there's nothing really wrong with
• 41:43
  wanting to like be, you know, learn how to get along well enough
• 41:47
  with women that you can get something out of it. I mean, I
• 41:52
  don't mean just sex. I think that a lot of the times most men
• 41:57
  are not just doing it for the sex. But some guys like these you
• 42:00
  know, fresh and fit types and stuff, they they boast about their conquests
• 42:06
  because they think that it like lends them more legitimacy so that they can sell
• 42:09
  more books and make more money. So, based on what I've heard,
• 42:14
  is it fresh fresh as and moron there? But there neither of them are
• 42:17
  super smart. No, But the thing is that like I'm not, I
• 42:21
  think he needs to be. I think he needs is IQ tested because I'm
• 42:23
  pretty sure it's sub one hundred sorry, Like why do you say, why
• 42:30
  would you say that? Like what, Well, because according to the story
• 42:35
  that I heard, he's having sex with women multiple without any kind of protection.
• 42:40
  Yes, I know that men don't have as many options, but that's
• 42:46
  different than simply like not doing anything right. And also apparently she was talking
• 42:52
  about she was giving the baby rabies signs. So I don't know. I
• 42:57
  don't know about any of that, but I mean, without getting swept up
• 43:00
  in the drama he did, maybe he did additional information, I don't know.
• 43:05
  Look, I don't I don't know the details. All I know is
• 43:07
  he knocked up a girl. Apparently that's like a big deal because he was
• 43:13
  like cool, or he was trying to get her to get an abortion,
• 43:15
  according to some leaked audio, and now he's the bad guy. And she
• 43:20
  was claiming that she couldn't do it because of her religion, which I thought
• 43:23
  was weird because I was like, yeah, but you're like an escort,
• 43:27
  like what religion allows for that? Like, well, you know what I'm
• 43:29
  saying now Again, I'm not taking sides. I think it's a mess.
• 43:32
  I think that there is a lesson for men to learn from this, which
• 43:36
  is, you know, don't be that guy. Don't don't do what he's
• 43:39
  doing. Well, it might even I mean, for all we know,
• 43:43
  like maybe you shouldn't even like be messing around with women at all, like
• 43:46
  not like that, because like even if you use protection, it's not a
• 43:50
  guarantee. So yeah, but I mean, be careful, use your own
• 43:53
  condoms, make sure that you have them on your person at all times.
• 43:59
  Don't don't become an idiot like this. Yeah, and I fully agree that
• 44:02
  men should have financial abortions, which would probably have made her think twice before
• 44:07
  sleeping with him in this circumstance without a legally binding contract indicating that they would
• 44:14
  raise any child that resulted from the union. What does that sound like?
• 44:20
  Jesus oh man. But yeah, I mean, like I think what he
• 44:23
  did was dumb. But at the same time, if we're going to allow
• 44:27
  women to be dumb, we need to allow men to be dumb as far
• 44:30
  as I'm concerned. Hello, yeah, I'm here. Yeah, yeah,
• 44:36
  I just thought you might have disappeared. Look, Jojo left so I had
• 44:39
  to let him out and Skip left too, so they both left. No,
• 44:44
  sad, No, that's it, that was it. I just wanted
• 44:45
  to, like, you know, talk about that a little bit. I
• 44:49
  mean, I just want to say it to a revenant again, We're not
• 44:52
  dead, We're still here. I think that what we would like is maybe,
• 45:00
  I don't know, like try to send people our way. I don't
• 45:02
  know what else to tell you. I asked you to share the video because
• 45:05
  sharing is carrying at the end of every dream, because I mean, it
• 45:08
  would help, It would be helpful if we could reach more people. And
• 45:13
  I know that this isn't like as clean as I would like it, and
• 45:17
  I lament that every day, but I still think that the message matters so
• 45:22
  clean well no, I mean like well, no, the quality of the
• 45:29
  I don't know, like we're really far apart. We're not like you know,
• 45:34
  it's not like a setup like they like these popular podcasts have. I
• 45:37
  just they have on the floor that kind of thing. Yeah, that kind
• 45:40
  of thing. Yeah, that's kind of Did you actually hear that or I
• 45:45
  heard something? It wasn't It wasn't terrible for me and I am wearing headphones.
• 45:49
  Just my my, my flailing caused some issues. I need to I
• 45:53
  need to like get some No, I'm not going to say that. I
• 45:57
  was going to say I need to get some rope and bind my No,
• 45:59
  that's let's not go there. All right, Well, I got a super
• 46:05
  child that I didn't read, so I should read it really quick and then
• 46:07
  we'll talk about the next thing. So ZARANX gave us five bucks and this
• 46:09
  was around six point thirty, so about half an hour ago, and he
• 46:14
  says, that's why I've advocated that we build on what they are correct about,
• 46:19
  state that and keep going. Wanting us to distance ourselves is part of
• 46:22
  the divide and conquer tactic that they're using. I've Lambassid Fresh because of his
• 46:27
  idiocy, despite their show giving out good information and providing foundations to build on.
• 46:31
  I think the same problem seen in the political realm exists in the manisphere.
• 46:36
  Why is Natty appearing to get cozy with feminists now? Because we or
• 46:39
  whomever take our distaste with one or a few people, and we erode our
• 46:44
  own ground. Every time that happens. We have date psych Brittany, Venti,
• 46:49
  Abba and Preach and whoever else spoiling what actually may benefit men. To
• 46:52
  borrow a line from Baldus Gate three paraphrase, courage doesn't show up in the
• 46:57
  results of the battle, but within the fight. Thank you zaraes, Yes,
• 47:00
  it's one hundred percent true. Like I'm I'm all for Look, I've
• 47:05
  seen it myself. I saw LP. Who's who I'm you know, I
• 47:09
  like him. He's a hypocrite. He used to be an m RA and
• 47:13
  he was. He made a whole video about the like using the fresh and
• 47:15
  fit thing, the whole incident as a as like the launching point to just
• 47:21
  shit all over the entire manisphere, men's rights activists included. And I was
• 47:25
  like, well that's not useful, like I mean, and I'm like,
• 47:29
  well, what kind of world do you want to live in? So like
• 47:30
  some of these people, you know, they're they they have like the you
• 47:36
  know, they got like the feminist perspective where we shouldn't exist because we're like
• 47:38
  dangerous to women or whatever it is, right, we want to we hate
• 47:42
  women, we want to oppress women, chain them to the stove, whatever,
• 47:45
  all the bullshit. And this is like, this is like the larger
• 47:49
  narrative. This is like the overwhelming, ubiquitous narrative that if you if I
• 47:52
  go to a stranger on the street and I say, have you ever heard
• 47:55
  of a men's rights activist, if they've if they've even heard of them,
• 47:59
  they've negative things most likely, like that's usually how it goes right, and
• 48:02
  I have to I have to do damage control on that. And then on
• 48:07
  the other side, you got like people who you know, used to be
• 48:10
  just like us or justice or they had their own like the demons in their
• 48:15
  history, and then they like become you know, they find God or whatever,
• 48:20
  and and then all of a sudden, now everybody else is inferior and
• 48:22
  they're being judgmental and shit, and I'm like, but you're not. You're
• 48:25
  not fixing anything, like you're basically just criticizing people, and and then you're
• 48:30
  acting like, oh, well, if only you were like me, then
• 48:34
  everything will be great. And it's like, yeah, but we're not like
• 48:36
  you, because that's not how the world works. You know, this is
• 48:38
  not this is not what you want it to be. This is what it
• 48:42
  is. We have to deal with what is and you have to be what
• 48:45
  you have to do. And I and I'm I'm kind of like, I
• 48:47
  guess, uh, piggybacking off of ZARANXX. You have to acknowledge what is
• 48:53
  good that people are doing. You have to acknowledge that, and then you
• 48:59
  have to ask for more of that and whatever needs correcting, you will.
• 49:06
  You can give the caveats, right, But like what, I don't know
• 49:09
  what these guys are creating. All I know is what I want to do,
• 49:13
  and I don't have the time to, like, you know, to
• 49:16
  make sure that everybody else knows that I'm not like those people, because it
• 49:21
  doesn't matter and it's a waste of time and energy. Yeah, it was.
• 49:23
  What do you prioritize? Do you prioritize talking about the actual issues or
• 49:27
  does distancing yourself from the people who've been lumped in with you because specifically that
• 49:31
  they want to stop you from talking about the actual issues. Yeah, they
• 49:36
  want you to spend your time defending yourself against these allegations against these people who
• 49:43
  probably are completely or being lumped in with people who probably have no interest in
• 49:46
  your issues in the first place. But here's the thing is, when you
• 49:52
  encourage what you want, you get more of it. And let's say let's
• 49:57
  say you've got fifty to fifty fifty percent bad, fifty percent good, and
• 50:02
  you encourage the good, Gradually you're gonna grow the good. You know,
• 50:07
  going to be sixty percent, forty percent, thirty percent, twenty percent.
• 50:10
  Maybe you'll get it to like ninety five percent good and then you're good.
• 50:15
  Then it's mostly good, it's overwhelmingly good, you know, And that's this
• 50:21
  is not even this is not what I'm seeing, Like the media, for
• 50:23
  example, his choosing to grow the worst because they become a great example of
• 50:30
  why the media is needed, and all of these initiates, initiatives. There's
• 50:34
  more intervention now with boys in the UK schools because of Andrew Taten than there
• 50:42
  was before because now, yeah, well they and they make they and they
• 50:46
  make it more famous and they make it more rich. So he makes more
• 50:50
  content and so it continues and now and then every time any anything comes up
• 50:53
  related to this, that's the guy that go to and even the people who
• 50:58
  know who we are are like, why don't you say something about that?
• 51:00
  It's like, but why like like, I mean, I care about simple
• 51:06
  things like do process, but I'm not gonna Why would I waste my time
• 51:09
  and energy? Yeah, like I got here's the thing. We got other
• 51:14
  things to deal with. Answer to this. Why do we have to answer
• 51:15
  to Andrew Tate? And Andrew Tate's platform more than the people who built it
• 51:20
  for them. That would be the mainstream media. M M Okay, they
• 51:23
  were the ones who created that freaking monster and choose to focus on it if
• 51:28
  you want to call it a monster, whatever it is, Like, let's
• 51:31
  move on. Is there anything more you wanted from this tweet? No,
• 51:35
  that's it. We should move on to the next thing. So I got
• 51:37
  a super chat, right, Yeah, I got a super chat from Albert
• 51:40
  Nata Retro gives us two dollars Canadian and says I do the best I can
• 51:45
  to get the word out about HBr. Thank you. Uh yeah, I
• 51:47
  know, I appreciate it, but I'm just saying, like, I think
• 51:50
  the algorithm is against us, especially on YouTube. So yeah, we got
• 51:53
  multiple things against this one. People don't want to focus on these issues because
• 51:59
  they've based fundamental aspects of their identity on them. I had. I had
• 52:04
  a run in with that recently, I think, and to the like,
• 52:08
  nope, well, we've also based fundamental aspects of our society on it on
• 52:14
  people having these attitudes. So it's a it's a big ask. I recognize
• 52:17
  it's a big ask for people to actually care about this stuff. So thank
• 52:22
  you everybody who's listening for caring about this stuff. All right, So should
• 52:25
  we talk about how we're right, So I want to give a shout out
• 52:30
  to Yeah, so we're gonna give a shout out to Packer Girl. Uh.
• 52:34
  Packer Girl is involve a gamer Gate too. She's she mostly talked about
• 52:38
  on her channel. It's kind of small, but she talks about localization because
• 52:43
  she's like the biggest weeb I've ever seen, but she reads manga and shit,
• 52:46
  and that's kind of like how she got involved with this. Because localization,
• 52:51
  which is essentially isn't the practice of like translating Japanese language content or like
• 52:58
  foreign language content and to like English, especially in specifically English localization. And
• 53:05
  when they do that, and this is like a thing that's been going on
• 53:07
  for a long time, the people involved in the translations, well they bring
• 53:12
  their feminist intersectional politics into it and they make changes to the translations, and
• 53:16
  they claim it's under this idea that you know, like, oh, well
• 53:20
  there's cultural differences and you wouldn't get the context, blah blah blah. But
• 53:22
  some people do it well. They often explain the context, especially if when
• 53:27
  it comes to like Japanese stuff. If you're like really into anime, then
• 53:31
  inevitably you're gonna become interested in Japanese culture because you're going to see so much
• 53:36
  of it, right, and you're gonna be like, well, why why
• 53:37
  do they have the gardens like that? Why is the food like that?
• 53:40
  Whatever? Right? So, anyway, Packer Girl had this threat that I
• 53:45
  thought was really interesting where she is talking about this Ubisoft lead writer. So
• 53:52
  Ubisoft is like a super pause company and always has been, and she writes
• 53:58
  as part of their long thread on writing villains, Bubisoft's lead writer Sarah a
• 54:04
  Ariano had this to say about men's rights activists. So we're making it into
• 54:09
  the video games, guys, we're in video games now. Of course,
• 54:16
  when she says men's rights acts, who knows what she really means. So,
• 54:21
  uh, let's look at this tweet. I guess. So this is
• 54:23
  Sarah Ariano and she says, in real life, when a man attacks a
• 54:29
  woman in rage, remember that he feels victimized by her. He sincerely believes
• 54:35
  that he is in danger and he's acting in self defense. Consider this when
• 54:38
  observing men's rights activists Alpha male military style training camps I Soaked BJJ black Belt,
• 54:45
  reaching an end to feminism. They're terrified of people half their size with
• 54:52
  half their rights. Consider that half my country literally believes that killing the other
• 54:57
  half will keep them safe. Villains don't wake up, crack their knuckles,
• 55:00
  cackle with glee, and get to work hurting others. They wake up scared
• 55:05
  and put all of their energy into protecting themselves. What were What country does
• 55:09
  she live in? Okay? So apparently we want to kill kill all men?
• 55:15
  Whoops? Sorry the little Freudian slip. Oh. The most common phrase
• 55:22
  that I've heard everywhere is kill all men, not kill all women. Yeah,
• 55:28
  I don't see. The worst that the menosphere seems to want to do
• 55:32
  to women is to actually have sex with them or a relationship with them or
• 55:37
  not. Like very rare. Do you see anyone in the in the quote
• 55:40
  unquote manosphere, especially not men's rights activists saying, you know, this is
• 55:45
  so absurd. I don't need Why do we even have to defend against it?
• 55:51
  It's just I mean, I don't know like what to say. We
• 55:53
  know that the tweet that I'm seeing is not that one. It's still the
• 55:57
  Revenant one. Oh why am I not? Wait a minute? What are
• 56:01
  you sure? Why is it sharing? Let me go back and share it
• 56:06
  again. Are you seeing it now? You should see it? Are you
• 56:09
  seeing it? No what I don't know. No, I'm displaying it.
• 56:15
  It's showing here all right here, let me let yeah, just take my
• 56:20
  word for it. Okay, you might be a glitch on your problem,
• 56:22
  but I am. I am sharing it. Okay. Zarax gives his five
• 56:28
  bucks super chat and says, I'm surprised to see Packer Girl involved. I
• 56:30
  knew about her years ago because Tommy Soda Mayor had her on his show Simmy
• 56:35
  regularly. Well that's weird. I only know about her from gamer gay two.
• 56:38
  So and it's weird too because I've been like trying to reach Tommy Soda
• 56:42
  Major to get him on. He was supposed to do it like a while
• 56:45
  back, but he's not the most reliable guy unless you're really big. He's
• 56:50
  like another one of these people that you have to be like big enough to
• 56:52
  get his attention, and we're just not. But yeah, I'm still I'm
• 56:57
  also trying to get Packer Girl on. So if you guys have like the
• 57:00
  inside scoop, I like her because she does a lot of good work and
• 57:06
  she's kind of like, you know, Savvy who we had on the show
• 57:09
  like last week, who's also doing work, good work. Too, but
• 57:14
  okay, anyway, so let me see. I'll read the rest of the
• 57:19
  thread here that she also shares. Holy crap, this is like a big
• 57:22
  image. So maybe if I share this you'll see it. Here we go,
• 57:27
  all right, can you see this thing I'm sharing? Allison? Are
• 57:30
  you there? You're muted? You're there? No? Still revenant? Oh
• 57:35
  weird? Okay, well I don't know why it should be sharing. All
• 57:38
  right, so this is technical difficulties that only attacts me yet I don't know.
• 57:43
  Yeah, apparently everybody else can see it. So Sarah Aliano goes on
• 57:46
  and she says, when writing villains, remember that they all think they're victims.
• 57:51
  They're never the brain announcing that tonight he will try to take over the
• 57:54
  world. They are aggrieved people who sincerely believe they are creating justice. Wow,
• 58:00
  this is so much projection. Do you know if you just listen to
• 58:02
  this, she's telling you exactly what she thinks, like she's telling you about
• 58:07
  herself, because these people always project. And she was getting quote interesting exchange
• 58:14
  like it was with the guy who I was talking to about Well, show
• 58:17
  me the show me the receipts, Where is the where are the initiatives that
• 58:21
  tell girls that they're responsible for pressing men and that they need to take responsibility
• 58:28
  for all. I'll send you the look. I'll say you some link so
• 58:30
  you can look at it on Twitter instead. If it's not working, Yeah,
• 58:35
  that's fine. But I was talking to this guy and what he did.
• 58:37
  I said, somebody else talked about how it's women's choices that lead them
• 58:43
  to be less represented in STEM and I mentioned the gender equality paradox, which
• 58:49
  is the more freedoms women have, the more they choose not to go into
• 58:55
  the maths and scientists science, and he dismissed my evidence. While he said
• 59:04
  you dismiss evidence, I'm like, seriously, okay, you're you're gonna do
• 59:09
  exactly as you do what you accuse me of doing. You are going to
• 59:15
  accuse me of doing it. Yep. Like how do you how do you
• 59:21
  deal with the mentality like that? Like the instant he does something he doesn't
• 59:25
  like about himself, he puts it on you, It's like, well,
• 59:30
  okay, all right then all right. So she was responding Sarah Ariano to
• 59:40
  someone named Monique Botha is actually they them and that person is saying, there
• 59:45
  was a post on our relationships and it's living rent free in my head.
• 59:49
  Some Women who Love plants was some woman who loves plants was having a bad
• 59:53
  run of it with some of her most prized plants dying and couldn't figure out
• 59:58
  why, and it was slowly crushing her. And it turns out her husband
• 1:00:00
  was poisoning them. Now I don't know the context of that, but apparently
• 1:00:07
  that means he hated the plants and hated his wife and killed her plants on
• 1:00:13
  purpose. No, no, no, you're not okay, you're too small,
• 1:00:15
  dude, you're thinking too small. That means that all men are responsible
• 1:00:20
  for this woman's plants dying. Oh, yes, that's right, of course.
• 1:00:23
  And he says, hey, maybe all men aren't responsible for the actions
• 1:00:29
  of this one man is a men's rights activist who's saying that because they hate
• 1:00:34
  women and want to kill half the human race. Of course, because that's
• 1:00:38
  what that's what villains do. Like taking the four quote that's what heroes do
• 1:00:44
  and inverting it. There's no logical logic behind it. All it is is
• 1:00:47
  they have a weapon, and when you piss them off, they draw it
• 1:00:52
  and pointed at you and say, yeah, what punk, you want to
• 1:00:54
  do something? Punk? That's all they're doing. Like this entire allegation all
• 1:00:59
  they want. I want to kill half half the human Okay, No,
• 1:01:02
  I'm really lazy. I don't even want to kill an ant I do know,
• 1:01:08
  and I don't even like killing. I mean, I pause before I
• 1:01:13
  swat a goddamn mosquito. And I have to think about the ethics. Well,
• 1:01:16
  they spread disease, so you know, I can't you know, or
• 1:01:20
  a fly, well, you know, you can't have a whole bunch of
• 1:01:22
  them in your house. They'll spread shit, right, And but I still
• 1:01:28
  have to I'm not gonna kill myself or I don't know, US's kind of
• 1:01:32
  murder suicide, kill all the women in the world and myself like no,
• 1:01:38
  Like this is absurd, but it still works on people because people are that
• 1:01:45
  afraid of violence against women. That's what they did. They just constructed a
• 1:01:49
  weapon to use against everyone, and they keep using it over and over again,
• 1:01:52
  and everybody goes up to the they go up to the gun woman and
• 1:01:55
  they're like, well, that's illogical. You're you're against property rights, you're
• 1:02:04
  against parents' rights, you're you're you're Okay, I'm gonna do this. Don't
• 1:02:07
  get too offended. You're a you're being communist, and it's logical. Everything
• 1:02:10
  you're saying is illogical. It just doesn't make sense. Well, it doesn't
• 1:02:15
  freaking matter. She's got the gun. At the end of the day,
• 1:02:17
  she wins. It doesn't matter how illogical, stupid, or ridiculous or outrageous
• 1:02:22
  or abusive she is. She's the one with the gun. And until you
• 1:02:27
  take the gun away, she just be the one with the gun. And
• 1:02:30
  she's the one who sets the rules. And that's what she's doing. She's
• 1:02:32
  just like, yeah, I don't like these people, and if you disagree,
• 1:02:36
  well I got a gun. That's it. Yeah, anyway, continued
• 1:02:43
  all right, So Sarah Sarah Ariano, I'm just gonna read this whole this
• 1:02:47
  whole clip, this whole thread here because I think it it basically, I
• 1:02:52
  mean, just just listen to it and then think, like, who is
• 1:02:55
  she really talking about? Again? This way creates a new dynamic between characters
• 1:03:00
  and a richer interpretation of the human experience. The villain's victims stay because they've
• 1:03:05
  been fed the villain's grievance. Then they become villains themselves, think Carmela Soprano.
• 1:03:12
  Remember also that the hardest thing to do is admit wrongdoing. People will
• 1:03:16
  go any length to avoid it. Any length wrongdoing leads to banishment from the
• 1:03:22
  group down to the marrow of our bones. We as humans pack animals,
• 1:03:27
  are terrified of banishment. I'm rereading The Shining after twenty years away. It's
• 1:03:31
  so terrifying, far more so than the film, because it's about how addiction
• 1:03:36
  and victimhood talks to you, how it lies, how we justified vility to
• 1:03:39
  ourselves, how many chances are given to change course, and how we don't
• 1:03:45
  What Stephen King must have gone through to write that story, I can't imagine.
• 1:03:49
  Well, Stephen King is a fucking nut job. To be great storytellers,
• 1:03:52
  we have to tell the truth to ourselves about ourselves. So I think
• 1:03:59
  that's the thread. Be Yeah, that's that's basically the thread. So when
• 1:04:05
  she's talking about in that thread, I'm just saying, tory Teller's you have
• 1:04:14
  to be Yeah, you're sure, you have to be self aware, although
• 1:04:15
  obviously there's plenty of lunatics that become writers. You have to tell the truth
• 1:04:23
  to yourself. Sarah Arelio, Well, I mean she presumes that it's true
• 1:04:29
  that men want to oppress women, and that it's not actually toxic shaming to
• 1:04:32
  perpetuate this everywhere, it's not actually something that's causing significant harm to perpetuate because
• 1:04:40
  it's she's she's that's her victim narrative, and it justifies all of the ways
• 1:04:45
  that she doesn't care about and victimize others, including condemning people who are interested
• 1:04:54
  in the human rights of men or the legal rights of men, whatever you
• 1:04:58
  want to call it. People who are interested in creating a society that actually
• 1:05:01
  cares about the experience of men in it and doesn't just treat them as expendable.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, that's what she thinks about. That's automatic, like not,
• 1:05:12
  you know, not, Okay, Well, I've seen men's rights activists do
• 1:05:15
  this. I've seen men's rights activists do that. I don't know where she'd
• 1:05:18
  see any of this stuff, Like, yeah, I have animists towards feminists.
• 1:05:23
  That's because I've seen them for years shut down, remove and destroy services
• 1:05:29
  for vulnerable men. You know, literally they put the ideology of victimhood,
• 1:05:34
  of female victimhood, even over female victims. And it's just at this point,
• 1:05:41
  I'm like, yeah, I is there anything good about this? Because
• 1:05:45
  all I've ever seen is bad, and I'm not interested in lying about that
• 1:05:49
  anymore, just just to maintain an identity that I never had. I don't
• 1:05:54
  think I ever, or at least not to a great degree, created an
• 1:05:58
  identity over being victimized by men, right, So it was very easy for
• 1:06:03
  me to challenge all the nonsense that goes into constructing that. And of course
• 1:06:09
  I'm a weird autist, so the social censure doesn't really bug me that much
• 1:06:14
  either, for you know, because I'm a weird autist. I much prefer
• 1:06:18
  the truth. But so this is like, like you were saying, Brian,
• 1:06:23
  this is entirely projection. Oh yeah, literally doing what she says other
• 1:06:28
  people are doing. It's not just projection, it's also scapegoating mm hmm.
• 1:06:34
  Like she's ritually pressing her sins onto the scapegoat and then slaughtering it. I
• 1:06:42
  mean, not not literally but figuratively, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 1:06:45
  pushing it out as not her part of herself. Yep. I don't
• 1:06:50
  do this. Yeah. Well, good, good lord. So I got
• 1:06:55
  another super chat from master Robe. Thank you, Master Robe. He says,
• 1:06:59
  remember that one article that described patriarchy and had citation needed next to it?
• 1:07:03
  Good times for five dollars. Thank you, Master wrote appreciate it.
• 1:07:06
  Those were the days, yes, boy, the way Glenn Miller played.
• 1:07:14
  Okay, so that's the thread that's Ubisoft today, or it has been for
• 1:07:20
  a while. Let's be real, I don't they They've been pretty woke for
• 1:07:25
  a long time. Yeah, it's interesting that there's a little bit of crossover
• 1:07:30
  though here at least we're being mentioned. Maybe the gamer gators might take note
• 1:07:32
  of this and their ears will perk up. Oh oh, well first and
• 1:07:38
  the Chasm are being mentioned. Yeah, I think that they're I think they're
• 1:07:42
  they're there. They are this time around. I think they are seeing some
• 1:07:45
  links. Like there's a guy who I had on my gamer Gate Badger pod
• 1:07:49
  gamer Gate last Wednesday, this this wins that it just passed, and his
• 1:07:55
  name is m q cell and he knows about us. He talks about you
• 1:07:59
  know, he's interesting in our topics. But he also like is you know,
• 1:08:04
  involved with on some level. He says that he's involved with Mark Kern's
• 1:08:10
  new project. Mark Kurn is grums on Twitter. He's like the big he
• 1:08:14
  is now like the one of the biggest voices on gam or gay too that
• 1:08:19
  I think matter like like somebody who knows the industry, and apparently Grums has
• 1:08:24
  been you know, he's more base than he lets on, is what in
• 1:08:28
  q Selton? Well, he doesn't want to get hit by the algorithm,
• 1:08:30
  right, No, No, I mean like but he's like, yeah,
• 1:08:33
  he's just kind of like he'd be cool, but he doesn't really have to
• 1:08:36
  like do this work, I guess. So I'm not saying that he does,
• 1:08:40
  but I think that I think that there is, Like, like I
• 1:08:43
  said, I think that there's more going on, and it's it's a different
• 1:08:47
  it's a different climate at this time, and I think people are waking up.
• 1:08:51
  So yeah, well we eventually are people going to realize that the weapon
• 1:08:56
  is always the same? Yeah? Well some some are willing to and some
• 1:09:00
  are not. And I think it's because they you know, they're there,
• 1:09:03
  They themselves will have to look in the mirror and ask like, was I
• 1:09:06
  a part of this problem? Right? Yeah? Well, when you when
• 1:09:10
  you're forced to do something at the point of a gun, you have to
• 1:09:13
  recognize you're a coward, particularly when it's essentially what's happening is the desperadoes walk
• 1:09:20
  into i don't know, the tavern, the saloon and the bartender hands them
• 1:09:27
  a gun and says, oh, wouldn't it be a shame if you use
• 1:09:30
  that, because we're all we're all handing them these people a gun. With
• 1:09:36
  that narrative, men oppress women and everything that comes out of it, you
• 1:09:42
  you you have no legitimacy when you construct your thing and you're enjoying your thing
• 1:09:46
  with your friends and you're all thinging around, and then the desperadoes walk through
• 1:09:51
  the door and they say, well, this is a really nice thing you
• 1:09:56
  got here. Mm hmm, I don't think it serves women, though,
• 1:10:00
  or if your thing is actually full of women, they'll walk in and they'll
• 1:10:04
  be like, this is a really nice thing you got here. I don't
• 1:10:09
  think it serves minorities. And then suddenly they appoint themselves as judge, jury,
• 1:10:15
  and executioner of your entire thing, like, and it's always the same
• 1:10:19
  thing, over and over and over again. Be nice if they wake up
• 1:10:24
  and realize it, the only way to stop this is to disarm them.
• 1:10:28
  And the only way to disarm them is to question the weapon that they use
• 1:10:33
  over and over and over again, to dismantle it, to take it away,
• 1:10:40
  to not give it to them in the first place. Because it is
• 1:10:43
  bullshit. This idea that men oppressed women is at its face bullshit if they
• 1:10:47
  honestly did. And I actually got into a discussion. I talk to people
• 1:10:54
  on Wick server. You remember Wick. We went on his show with them.
• 1:10:57
  Yeah, of course I remember Wick. I uploaded that that stream too.
• 1:11:00
  I recorded that and I uploaded up my channel. So if you guys
• 1:11:03
  want to check it out. Uh, they're very inc in conclud they're very
• 1:11:09
  inculcated with this this identifying threats and neutralizing them. So they have this this
• 1:11:16
  junkyard dog mentality that mended very very very much about perimeter defense. They were
• 1:11:26
  very steeped in perimeter defense logic. So identify the enemy, neutralize it.
• 1:11:30
  On that stream and oh, I forgot what I was going to say.
• 1:11:35
  Good lord, I get into these tangents. I have too much attention deficit
• 1:11:39
  disorder. I should probably take like drugs or something so I can pay attention
• 1:11:43
  long enough to complete a thought. But the I'm really sorry, guys,
• 1:11:48
  where was that before I got onto them? Sorry, you were talking about
• 1:11:53
  the gun and the okay, yes, yeah, the gun. You have
• 1:11:57
  to take away the gun and and oh right, I was in the discord
• 1:12:02
  talking to the audience of that show or wix show, or a member or
• 1:12:06
  some members of the audiences, and we were going back and forth about men
• 1:12:10
  oppressing women. So I said, okay, when did this start? And
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  they couldn't give me a date. You know, we can tell when writing
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  started, so we can tell when pottery is starting. Certain forms of technology
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  and certain ways of people, like informational technologies and social arrangements. But for
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  some reason, we can't identify when patriarchy started. And honestly, it even
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  goes back to hominids, It goes to our closest relatives. People say that
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  Bonabo's are not patriarchal, but it doesn't matter. We're closer to chimps and
• 1:12:46
  both of those split off of our common ancestor. So where did it start?
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  Yeah, like where where and how did it start? No answer,
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  So we just live in a world of dread, horrible sin that we have
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  no idea how when it started or how it started, so we have no
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  idea how to actually stop it. It's just this vague, wibbly wobbly Well,
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  how likely is that to actually be true? Then? Like, think
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  about it a question vague how likely is it to be true? If it's
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  if it is something that actually started, it should be in the ar archaeological
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  record, and it isn't. Because even hunter gatherers have a male chief,
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  most often they have a separation between the sexes and there in their work and
• 1:13:34
  generally the males, and in fact, hunter gatherers societies can be a lot
• 1:13:39
  more violent and possessed with war because, to be fair, like hunter gatherers
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  societies, they need more space for what they're doing. In order to support
• 1:13:51
  a client of hunter gatherers, you need far more territory, which means there's
• 1:13:59
  much more territory conflict. Okay, So and the men are the ones who
• 1:14:04
  are engaging in the territory conflict, right, So you know it's like this,
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  this is something that seems to be pretty much most mammal species and our
• 1:14:14
  entire history. Okay, well, how do you plan to get away get
• 1:14:17
  rid of something like when they say patriarchal society, they're just basically saying society.
• 1:14:23
  Okay, well, how how if you don't know where it came from,
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  you don't know how it came about. You are basically saying this is
• 1:14:29
  something that will exist forever unless you figure that out, all right, And
• 1:14:34
  I'm not buying into smashing something, you know, swinging a hammer around and
• 1:14:40
  not knowing where it's gonna hit. And it's just too vague to be meaningful
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  anyway. It was just it was just something that occurred to me. It's
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  all crazy, like, it's all nonsense. Men don't oppress women. And
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  I keep saying that over and over again because people need to hear someone saying
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  that men do not oppress women. There is no society that treats women is
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  more expendable than men, and you have to include that in your equation of
• 1:15:10
  oppression. Because if men are in charge and the outcome is worse for other
• 1:15:14
  men, that does not mean men in charge equals women oppressed. In fact,
• 1:15:18
  it's the opposite. So every issue that men face under quote unquote male
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  authority is a counter evidence, counter evidence to the assertion that men in authority
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  equals women oppressed. It doesn't. And I'm not even a person not well,
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  Alison, Oh, she dropped even a person we should go back to,
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  like men is. I don't. I don't want to make prescriptions on
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  how people live their lives. I'm just pointing out that this is not correct.
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  It's just not correct. We can't have a society based on it.
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  Mm hmm. I'm just saying, and then this is the weapon that they
• 1:16:06
  keep destroying everything with. I mean, I guess we can have a society
• 1:16:10
  based on it. After all, we've had it for seventy years. But
• 1:16:14
  yeah, best by date, shall we say? Okay? Yeah, all
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  right, well let's wrap it up. I want to do a patron show,
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  Right if you recognize that the problem is the gun, then you have
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