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GHOUL-CAREGIVER OVERDOSES Elder to MAX HIS CREDIT CARD ON LUX STUFF · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: We are in that generation that is raising their own
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Speaker 1: children and also taking care of their parents. In my case,
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Speaker 1: my ninety one year old mother lives with us and
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Speaker 1: it's a joy most of the time.
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Speaker 2: So how does this robust ninety three year.
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Speaker 1: Old elder end up not only raced to the hospital,
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Speaker 1: but fifty thousand dollars in debt for tech equipment, sporting goods,
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Speaker 1: new furniture.
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Speaker 2: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series XM one eleven. First of all, take a
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Speaker 3: A ninety three year old man hires a home healthcare
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Speaker 3: provider a thirty four year old mom. Her duties include
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Speaker 3: daily in home interaction with the patient, meals, and medication management. Suddenly,
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Speaker 3: the elderly man had to be rushed to the hospital.
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Speaker 3: He was lethargic and unresponsive. At the hospital, doctors realized
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Speaker 3: the ninety three year old had overdosed. He was revived
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Speaker 3: by narcan. An investigation showed powerful narcotics in his system
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Speaker 3: that were not prescribed by his doctor.
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Speaker 4: The ninety three year old victim was rushed to the
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Speaker 4: hospital suffering from a drug overdose, He was revived with narcan,
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Speaker 4: and doctors would then discover that he had been given
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Speaker 4: powerful drugs that were not part of his daily treatment Narcan.
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Speaker 1: When I hear narcan, I actually think of Prince, the
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Speaker 1: artist formerly known as Prince, And let me let one
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Speaker 1: of our All Star panel explain why what does a ninety.
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Speaker 2: Three year old elder have to do with Prince?
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Speaker 1: One of those I wented musicians that ever lived well?
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Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor William Maroney, medical exammer, toxicologist, pathologist,
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Speaker 1: opioid treatment expert, author of American Narcan, malaxone and here
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Speaker 1: in fantal associated mortality. Wow, that's a mouthful. Can we
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Speaker 1: just go with American Narcan? Dr William Moroney? And let
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Speaker 1: me just tell you something else. Maroney isn't living up
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Speaker 1: in some ivory tower, because you know how much I
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Speaker 1: hate that kind of person. He actually has created and
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Speaker 1: outfitted a mobile unit, a medical mobile unit, to treat
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Speaker 1: opioid ods and opioid addicts.
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Speaker 2: That is who he is, Doctor William Moroney.
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Speaker 1: I usually don't associate a ninety three year old elder
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Speaker 1: with a shot of narcan.
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Speaker 2: First of all, what is narcan? Why do you use it.
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Speaker 5: Narcan is a chemical whose structure looks a lot like
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Speaker 5: other opioids like bike.
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Speaker 6: It in like.
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Speaker 5: Morphine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, but it has a unique property and
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Speaker 5: then it blocks the opioid receptor and it pushes off
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Speaker 5: other opioid drugs.
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Speaker 1: Okay, just stop right there. I don't even know what
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Speaker 1: you're talking about. And I've got two legal degrees and
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Speaker 1: an undergraduate degree.
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Speaker 2: Do you tell me it down from me? Maroni? I mean,
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Speaker 2: I tell you this every time. Just what is narcan?
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Speaker 1: It reverses opioid overdose. That's an easy way to say it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, But it does it by.
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Speaker 5: Going into your brain, and it kind of scoops off
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Speaker 5: the bad drugs and it blocks the part of the brain,
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Speaker 5: the brain where the bad drugs were shutting down your respiration.
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Speaker 5: You overdose on a drug because it goes to certain
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Speaker 5: parts of your brain. The brain has centers that say please,
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Speaker 5: please keep breathing, and those are in the in an
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Speaker 5: area called the ponds. Geographically, you have drugs telling the
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Speaker 5: brain to stop breathing. Narcan goes in and pushes those
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Speaker 5: drugs off, and you naturally start to rebreathe.
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Speaker 6: When you go into the emergency room.
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Speaker 5: The protocol is to see that if you're not breathing,
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Speaker 5: they check your airway to see.
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Speaker 6: It's not blocked.
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Speaker 5: And the next thing you do is you get an
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Speaker 5: injection in narcand and if you're reversed, that's an overdose
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Speaker 5: that has to be done.
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Speaker 6: Before you're tested for any drugs.
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Speaker 1: Okay, White, White, You're you're losing me again. Yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I've got I've got it. As far as narcan, which
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Speaker 1: is is that its real name?
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Speaker 5: Narcan is the brand name, the real name. The chemical
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Speaker 5: name is naloxone.
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Speaker 2: Okay, got what NOx?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: Looxan?
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Speaker 1: Yep, sites an od opioids, touch is fent and all
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Speaker 1: our OxyContin because those substances go into your brain and
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Speaker 1: can make you stop breathing.
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Speaker 2: And Narcan comes in like Superman and.
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Speaker 1: Throws off the opioid off those brain receptors, and your
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Speaker 1: body naturally starts breathing again.
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 6: That's right?
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Speaker 1: But no, no, What does that have to do with Prince?
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Speaker 2: What does that have to do with Prince?
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Speaker 5: What that has to do with Prince is when Prince
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Speaker 5: was flying around he had an episode in the airplane
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Speaker 5: where he presented symptoms of an overdose and his plane
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Speaker 5: had to land, and I think it landed around Moline, Illinois,
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Speaker 5: the Quad Cities on his way back to Minneapolis, and
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Speaker 5: people were wondering, what the hell is be doing in
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Speaker 5: the quad Cities. They're really small, it's off the Mississippi.
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Speaker 5: There's nothing there. But they needed to get him to
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Speaker 5: a hospital, and you could not finish the flight by
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Speaker 5: going back.
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Speaker 6: To Minneapolis or he would have died.
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Speaker 5: The flight landed and they rushed Prince to the hospital
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Speaker 5: and he got Narcan and he came back. But we
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Speaker 5: have everybody follow a protocol after you're reversed that you
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Speaker 5: stay in the hospital and have tests done to make
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Speaker 5: sure that you're safe when you're discharged. And Prince and
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Speaker 5: his entourage chose to get the shot, get the reversal,
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Speaker 5: and hit the door and kind of leave against medical
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Speaker 5: advice to get back to home.
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Speaker 7: Because his number one concern.
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Speaker 5: Was his privacy and it was his confidentiality, and a
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Speaker 5: lot of people think about that, but you really need
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Speaker 5: to stay in the hospital because what happened with this
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Speaker 5: ninety three year old man was they did further testing
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Speaker 5: and they saw there was stuff in his blood in
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Speaker 5: blood tests that not only didn't belong there, but it
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Speaker 5: wasn't prescribed to him.
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Speaker 1: Before we go back to the ninety three year old elder. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: factual tidbit. Did you know that Prince's driveway to his
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Speaker 1: mansion down on Turks and Kekos is purple? I didn't,
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Speaker 1: But see, I just wanted for once to know one
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Speaker 1: thing that you didn't know, just one thing, even an
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Speaker 1: odd tidbit about a purple driveway. And it's not a
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Speaker 1: tacky purple. It's kind of a pale lavender.
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Speaker 2: Just so you know.
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Speaker 1: Now I've actually been able to tell doctor William Maroney's
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Speaker 1: something he didn't already know. Amazing. So I want to
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Speaker 1: get back to off Prince. As much as I like
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Speaker 1: to talk about Prince because I loved him so much,
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Speaker 1: I want to get back on the ninety three year
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Speaker 1: old elder. So joining me right now. You know her well.
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Becker, Senior reporter, Dailymail dot Com. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Caitlin Becker, Caitlin with the c Caitlyn, Thanks
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Speaker 1: for being with us.
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Speaker 2: So the first thing we had.
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Speaker 1: Any idea that anything was wrong brewing with this ninety
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Speaker 1: three year old elder is that he's rushed to the
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Speaker 1: hospital basically with an opioid overdose.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct, Caitlin.
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Speaker 8: That's correct, Nancy. And you hear a ninety three year
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Speaker 8: old rush of the hospital, it's not really surprising. Maybe
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Speaker 8: an overdome's maybe confusion on their medication.
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Speaker 1: Hy hi, hey, hey, hey, My mother's approaching ninety two.
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Speaker 1: She is not confused about anything at all. She is
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Speaker 1: sharper than attack. She is ninety nine pounds of hell
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Speaker 1: on wheels. Let me just tell you that aspect, nothing less.
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Speaker 2: Moly.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I get scared every time I walk in
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Speaker 1: her room with anyway. That said, And Cheryl McCollum, as
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Speaker 1: you know, well, she's mobile, she's all over the place.
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Speaker 9: Oh absolutely, ms. Grace is all over everything, sharp as
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Speaker 9: a tent.
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Speaker 1: So Caitlin, this guy, I mean, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: he was out of it or if he was smarter
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Speaker 1: than everybody in the room, like my mother is. But
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Speaker 1: an overdose on opioids, yeah, either way, over tooth on
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Speaker 1: non prescribed basically street drugs is not something anybody expects
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Speaker 1: from a ninety three year old something.
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Speaker 8: It just it struck the police and it struck doctors
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Speaker 8: as something is wrong here, Something is definitely wrong.
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Speaker 1: And let me understand Kaylin Becker again joining us from
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Speaker 1: Dailymill dot Com, where she is a senior investigative reporter.
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Speaker 2: Caitlin, he was not a drug addict.
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Speaker 1: Of course he would never have made I mean, Maroney,
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Speaker 1: would he ever have made it to ninety three as
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Speaker 1: a drug addict?
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Speaker 6: Not likely, No way. And this is a guest.
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Speaker 8: I don't think it's something that you start doing in
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Speaker 8: your nineties.
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, You don't go score on the corner when
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Speaker 1: you're ninety two and then at nine years you get
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Speaker 1: rushed to the er. I can help you out on
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Speaker 1: that with Maroney, who's not a drug addict. And then
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Speaker 1: just out of the blue, an od on opioids and
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Speaker 1: they revive him with narcan, Doctor Maroney, what is it?
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Speaker 2: Just one big shot?
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Speaker 5: It's zero point one milligrams, so it's a real small
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Speaker 5: spray and it goes up one nostril and it can
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Speaker 5: be anywhere from two to four milligrams in the original
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Speaker 5: narcandles and you only need ten or twenty seconds to
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Speaker 5: see if it's going to work, and if it doesn't
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Speaker 5: work by one minute, you're supposed to get a second shot.
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Speaker 6: Exactly in the nose, same.
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Speaker 2: Way, wait a shot or a spray.
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Speaker 5: It was right.
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Speaker 8: Sorry to jump in there. I've seen it. I've actually
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Speaker 8: seen it done and work, and it's really an incredible,
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Speaker 8: incredible drought.
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Speaker 1: Kalin Becker, I'm going to ask you instead of the
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Speaker 1: way over qualified to medical doctor so you have on
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Speaker 1: the panel today, because I think I'm going to understand
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Speaker 1: you better what happened when the person you got narcan
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Speaker 1: So the.
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Speaker 8: Person I saw who got narcand overdosed, I was in
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Speaker 8: a CDs parking lot and just saw their car roll
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Speaker 8: into another car. We got cops on the scene. They
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Speaker 8: just shot this little squeeze up of this spray up
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Speaker 8: a nostril, and within fifteen seconds, the person who looked lifeless,
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Speaker 8: head bobbing down, eyes rolling back in their head popped
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Speaker 8: up like they just got a jold of energy, breathing,
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Speaker 8: eyes opened.
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Speaker 6: It was wild.
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Speaker 2: You know, I've never heard it described that way, Taitlin.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney, I'm sure you've seen this on TV where
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Speaker 1: the doctors rush into the emergency room and they're trying
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Speaker 1: to resuscitate somebody giving them CPR, and then they get
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Speaker 1: a big shot and they just stick it right in
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Speaker 1: the person's chest.
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Speaker 2: I thought that's what it was like, but it's not.
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Speaker 5: When they go in the chest, that's usually epinephrin for
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Speaker 5: cardiac arrest.
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Speaker 6: Dark Can always goes up the nose as a spray.
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Speaker 2: Why do you use the nose? By the way you
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Speaker 2: use the.
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Speaker 5: Nose because it's faster than getting IV access. You can
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Speaker 5: have anywhere from fifty to one hundred percent bioguilability by
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Speaker 5: going into the nose. Plus a say there's veins and
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Speaker 5: arteries in the nose that actually go to the brain.
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Speaker 5: Of injecting somebody in the r arm really doesn't make
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Speaker 5: a lot of sense.
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Speaker 6: You can get it into them faster.
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Speaker 2: Now would this apply to fentanyl patches? Maroni?
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Speaker 1: Like, if somebody's on fentanyl patches, do they need to
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Speaker 1: have narcan around they do?
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Speaker 5: Any doctor prescribing fentanyl patches without narcann in the home
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Speaker 5: is outside of best practices.
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Speaker 10: Not good?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 1: Good to know to all of you that are using
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Speaker 1: fentanyl patches or on oxy for whatever reason, you need
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Speaker 1: to have Narcan in your home. Does that go for
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Speaker 1: oxy peels as well?
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Speaker 5: Any opioid got any opioid prescribed.
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Speaker 2: Is percocet and opioid.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is so a lot of medications mean that
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Speaker 1: you need to have in your home.
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Speaker 2: Wow, and it's just a spray that goes up, you know.
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Speaker 2: Okay, back to the elder.
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Speaker 1: The ninety three year old elder, no history of drug
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Speaker 1: abuse at all, very loving family in home healthcare, the works,
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Speaker 1: they treat the sky like gold. And then suddenly he
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Speaker 1: ends up in the er with narcian being sprayed up
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Speaker 1: his nose. Well, that tips off a whole series of events.
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Speaker 1: Take a lessen to our friend Sidney Sumner at crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com.
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Speaker 3: The patient's oldest daughter contacted the police after noticing strange
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Speaker 3: transactions on her father's credit card. There are purchases for
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Speaker 3: women's shoes, clothing, furniture, and a wicker patio set. What
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Speaker 3: really made alarm bells ring were the large item purchases
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Speaker 3: made at a sporting goods store, something a ninety three
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Speaker 3: year old man wouldn't be doing. There was even a
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Speaker 3: generator that was bought but could not be found anywhere
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Speaker 3: on the man's property. Nearly fifty thousand dollars had been
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Speaker 3: charged on the credit card.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, Cheryl McCollum, a founder and director of
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute and star of a hit podcast,
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Speaker 1: Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum, it sounds like not only is
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Speaker 1: a ninety three year old man an addict scoring out
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Speaker 1: on the corner. Sounds like he's a sugar daddy too.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear all that. Let's see here, women's shoes, clothing, furniture, wicker, patios,
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Speaker 1: set tech equipment, sporting goods, equipment, you name it, even
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Speaker 1: a generator.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, the women's shoes should have been a tremendous flag
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Speaker 9: because again, you've got somebody that now in the recent events,
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Speaker 9: is looking like one type of person when everybody in
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Speaker 9: his life knows that none of that is true. He
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Speaker 9: doesn't have a female in his life that he is
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Speaker 9: romantic with or now.
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Speaker 2: Why did they know of anyway?
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Speaker 12: That's right. But the other thing he is living with
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Speaker 12: assisted living help too.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold joining me renownedd psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, you have heard of guys that are not
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Speaker 1: just homebound, but they get into like online videos and
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Speaker 1: they let the women that are like undressing somewhere in
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Speaker 1: the world on the other end of the camera get
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Speaker 1: into their pocket as well and spend all their money.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy seemingly it's.
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Speaker 1: Not leaving the home, but he's spending that money somewhere.
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Speaker 2: So what about an online sugar daddy? Thoughts, No, it
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Speaker 2: could be.
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Speaker 12: And you know, and Nancy, the women that participate in
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Speaker 12: those activities are very very good at it.
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Speaker 1: You know. Isn't this a little bit beyond your expertise
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Speaker 1: as a psychiatrist.
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Speaker 12: No, I take care of these several of these.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how do you know these women are so good
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Speaker 1: out of at wheedling money out of the guy on
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Speaker 1: the other end.
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Speaker 12: Well, because unfortunately I take care of some of them
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Speaker 12: and they tell me how they do it.
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Speaker 2: How do they do it?
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Speaker 9: Oh?
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Speaker 12: It's you know, Nancy, Sex is a very powerful tool
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Speaker 12: until the day a man does. Sex is typically a
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Speaker 12: very powerful tool that women can use.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, James S. Shell know what's wrong
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Speaker 2: with men?
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Speaker 7: Oh, there's nothing wrong with it.
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Speaker 2: That's what's wrong with men right there. They don't realize
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Speaker 2: there's something horribly wrong.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you were just hearrying hearing high profile a lawyer,
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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt joining us. He is the star as
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Speaker 1: of the shell Nut Law Firm but former Metro major
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Speaker 1: case and SWAT. You can find him at shell Nutt
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Speaker 1: Law Firm dot com. James shell nutt as interesting as the.
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Speaker 2: Law might be. Right now, I've got to go back
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Speaker 2: to doctor Angie. Doctor Angie, what are the tricks of
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Speaker 2: the trade. How do they get money out of these
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Speaker 2: guys on the other end?
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about fifty thousand dollars of women shees, furniture, clothing,
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Speaker 1: blah blah.
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Speaker 12: First of all, like I told you, Nancy, they're very
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Speaker 12: good at what they do.
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Speaker 2: They take off their clothes.
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Speaker 12: It's not hard, and men can be very gullible. They
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Speaker 12: don't even have to take off their clothes at first.
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Speaker 12: They can be very scantily clad, but they make the
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Speaker 12: man feel that he is very important, and they give
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Speaker 12: him a lot of attention and they're very interested in him.
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Speaker 12: So it doesn't have to be initially just taking your
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Speaker 12: clothes off. It can get to that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to just absorb what you're saying. Okay,
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Speaker 1: can I tell you this true story. A friend of
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Speaker 1: my husbands they went to college with, becomes a stockbroker.
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Speaker 2: Wait no, he's in bonds, bonds, just bonds.
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Speaker 1: And he has a wonderful wife, and all of a
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Speaker 1: sudden he goes to a strip bar for some party
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Speaker 1: or something he falls for a stripper, and by the
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Speaker 1: time she's done with him, he has paid for her
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Speaker 1: son's entire private school education, bailed her out, put a
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Speaker 1: down payment on her house. He's broke, his wife gets
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Speaker 1: a divorce, and he loses his job because he's gone bankrupt.
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Speaker 1: A stripper, Yes, doctor Edgie and shell Nut says, there's
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with men. Okay is your name? I don't
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Speaker 1: want to talk to you. I was talking about you,
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Speaker 1: Shelle Nutt.
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Speaker 7: Look, there's a whole website online. There's websites everywhere on
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Speaker 7: line dedicated to sugar babies for these old men to
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Speaker 7: go online and send money on young women. And that's
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Speaker 7: what it's called, is called a sugar daddy. It's online,
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Speaker 7: and it's more common than what people think. Not that
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Speaker 7: I've accessed, and I'm not planning on it, but I'm
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Speaker 7: just telling you from representing.
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Speaker 2: I know anything about it myself. I haven't done any
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Speaker 2: private investigatives.
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Speaker 7: Asking for friends, but I'm just saying that numerous clients
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Speaker 7: that we've had have had issues with that, and that's
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Speaker 7: that's very common these days.
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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Angie Arnold, your whole you lose your job.
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Speaker 1: You can't trade bonds if you're going bankrupt in the
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Speaker 1: middle of a divorce, So why is it stood by
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Speaker 1: you through thick and thin over a stripper who, by
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Speaker 1: the way.
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Speaker 2: In the end, leaves him when he runs out of money.
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Speaker 12: Of course, of course the stripper the person doesn't love him,
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Speaker 12: but the man can be so mesmerized by what these
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Speaker 12: women can do. It's the I've heard stories.
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Speaker 2: Please tell me one.
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Speaker 12: Okay, I've got a good one for you.
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Speaker 2: Everybody in the studio is just settled in. Okay, we're ready.
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Speaker 12: One one woman like this going to the same dress store,
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Speaker 12: the same high end clothing store.
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Speaker 2: Of course is high end.
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Speaker 1: You had to throw that in because you would associate
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Speaker 1: with no one less than a high end shopper.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead with five s? Did a dollar store?
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Speaker 12: Doctor, Angie, you do not look like you shop at
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Speaker 12: the dollar store?
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Speaker 2: D answer, well, I do.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're buying toothpaste anywhere but Dollar Tree,
21:23
Speaker 1: you're crazy.
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Speaker 2: But go ahead, go on and spend that money.
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Speaker 12: There's a story of a woman who literally went into
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Speaker 12: this particular dress store with five different men, and the
21:36
Speaker 12: people that worked in the store had to just be
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Speaker 12: very quiet about it and pretend like she didn't already
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Speaker 12: have an account there five times, so the people in
21:44
Speaker 12: the store knew what she was doing.
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Speaker 1: Well, what I don't understand is why she's limiting it
21:48
Speaker 1: to close. She needs to be putting that in a
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Speaker 1: savings account and an IRA and a whatever. All that
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Speaker 1: is forget the clothes. You can't live in those when
21:57
Speaker 1: you're sixty five.
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Speaker 12: Yes, believe me, they're doing that.
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Speaker 1: All Okay, you know, here's the problem, Cheryl McCollums. Cheryl
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Speaker 1: McCollum's head is probably just spinning around because she, like
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Speaker 1: I look at everything as it relates to the evidence
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Speaker 1: at hand. There may be I'm not okay, somebody took
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Speaker 1: us down the rosy path because any sugar baby that
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Speaker 1: may have been on the other side of the video
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Speaker 1: could not have given him or accessed for him and
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Speaker 1: opioid overdose.
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Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say. Yep, that had
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Speaker 9: to be somebody connected.
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Speaker 1: To him physically, in person connected to him. So take
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Speaker 1: a listen now to our friends at Fox eight.
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Speaker 4: The daughter of the ninety three year old victim noticed
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Speaker 4: the unauthorized purchases on her father's account and contacted Sandusky Police.
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Speaker 4: Detectives say it appear as Malory Giles bought more than
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Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars in merchandise with the victim's credit cards.
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Speaker 13: We believe there was shoes included in that clothing, furniture
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Speaker 13: for her residence, wall decor, outside long care.
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Speaker 2: Items and take a listen to Jack Shay.
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Speaker 4: Thirty four year old Mallory Giles, a home healthcare aid
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Speaker 4: from Uron, faces tough questions from police detectives about a
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Speaker 4: series of purchases she made while using the credit card
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Speaker 4: and identity of a ninety three year old man she
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Speaker 4: had been caring for at his condo in Sandusky, and he.
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Speaker 13: Had his credit cards that he was allowing the home
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Speaker 13: health aid to use to make certain purchases that he needed. However,
23:32
Speaker 13: at some point she began taking advantage of that and
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Speaker 13: started making purchases for herself.
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Speaker 2: Definitely the entire house without these credit cards.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum joining me, director of the Cold Case Research
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Speaker 1: Institute and forensic expert, she would have had access to
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Speaker 1: the opioids and hold on Caitlin Becker Daily Mail was
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Speaker 1: she is she a key us routinely overdosing him so
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Speaker 1: she could go on shopping sprees at.
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Speaker 8: This point, it seems like she's accused of doing this
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Speaker 8: to him, not necessarily so she could go on shopping spreeze,
24:13
Speaker 8: but so that he may not notice that she's going
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Speaker 8: on shopping spreese and may not notice that there are
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Speaker 8: issues with his credit card and with things like that.
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Speaker 8: But what I find Wilde is somebody gave a credit
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Speaker 8: card bill, probably her Caitlin.
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Speaker 2: Oh right, she probably is all up.
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Speaker 1: In his paying online and direct deposits of his government checks,
24:38
Speaker 1: if he's getting any direct payments to, for instance, the
24:42
Speaker 1: phone company and the gas company. So, Cheryl McCollum, director
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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, that fits in to
24:51
Speaker 1: your theory that it had to be someone with a
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Speaker 1: physical connection to him.
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Speaker 2: In order to not only his credit cards.
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Speaker 1: Any sugar baby could do that, but to actually give
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Speaker 1: him the od at wait, hold on, doctor Moroney, how
25:07
Speaker 1: could we tell it wasn't self inflicted? That we know
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a suicide attempt or an accidental overdous on
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Speaker 1: his part.
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Speaker 5: Because they told us at the hospital. He's not prescribed
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Speaker 5: any of these men, right, which means he has to
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Speaker 5: get them through somebody, and she is his window through
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Speaker 5: the outside world.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Cheryl Nancy.
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Speaker 9: When you have somebody at this age, their social circle
25:32
Speaker 9: is very, very small. The people that have access to
25:36
Speaker 9: them daily, that would have access to not only their mailbox,
25:40
Speaker 9: but their medicine and their food and when they are
25:45
Speaker 9: awake and when they're asleep, is going to be not
25:49
Speaker 9: more than two or three people. So they're going to
25:52
Speaker 9: be able to look at each individual that has access
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Speaker 9: to him his credit cards, his medicine, and his home,
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Speaker 9: and you know, go to work pretty easily, you know.
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Speaker 1: To you James shell Nutt, a high profile lawyer joining
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Speaker 1: us from the shell nut Law firm.
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Speaker 2: James, she's the worst because doctor Angie.
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Speaker 1: And I were talking about guys that will give a
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Speaker 1: sugar baby their credit card or their money, and it
26:23
Speaker 1: seems irresponsible to us on the outside looking in. But
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Speaker 1: this ninety three year old senior depended on Mallory Giles
26:34
Speaker 1: for everything. She would go into his checking account, I believe,
26:38
Speaker 1: and pay his bills and take care of him, bring
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Speaker 1: him his food, take him to the bathroom, probably, shower him,
26:45
Speaker 1: give him his meds. So while he wasn't getting some
26:49
Speaker 1: sex kick from her, he was really dependent on her
26:54
Speaker 1: for his day to day life.
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Speaker 10: Oh, absolutely, look, one of the most common forms of
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Speaker 10: elder abuse is financial exploitation. He has a lot of
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Speaker 10: high risk factors here. He is isolated, he is somewhat immobile,
27:09
Speaker 10: He has limited contact with people. He depends on one
27:13
Speaker 10: person who has access to him financially, who has access
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Speaker 10: to his healthcare, who is constantly in his ear on
27:21
Speaker 10: a regular basis.
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Speaker 6: He has multiple high risk factors.
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Speaker 10: And he is a prime candidate for exploitative abuse by
27:30
Speaker 10: someone financially. And that's exactly what he turned out to be,
27:33
Speaker 10: was a victim of that.
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Speaker 2: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Caylin Beckery joining us from dailymail dot Com. Caylin isn't
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Speaker 1: believed that she actually tried to poison him.
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Speaker 12: That's exactly what authority belief.
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Speaker 8: That she actually went out of her way to obtain
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Speaker 8: these opioids and administer them to the man she was
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Speaker 8: hired to care for in order to essentially keep him quiet, keep.
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Speaker 1: Him quiet, Dodge, Maroney, You've handled a lot of ods,
28:21
Speaker 1: but anything like this, intentionally poisoning the old man to
28:26
Speaker 1: quote keep him quiet.
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Speaker 5: Yes, we see this, and we call it chemical restraints.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 5: And we also see this in children when parents or
28:37
Speaker 5: babysitters give drugs to children so that they don't around
28:42
Speaker 5: and around.
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Speaker 8: House, not inside outside a climate.
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Speaker 6: On some of them they give him venader.
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Speaker 5: This case, opioids were given. Prescription controlled substances were given.
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Speaker 6: We see it at every age. It happens way too often.
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Speaker 1: Has there been in a link between use of benadryl
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Speaker 1: as a child to any problems later in life?
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Speaker 5: Not published, but short term problems? Yes, Well, you're constantly
29:15
Speaker 5: exposing this child to a sedative that's a histamine, so
29:20
Speaker 5: the body builds up of tolerance, and then these kids
29:27
Speaker 5: don't react to normal doses when they have an allergy
29:32
Speaker 5: or they have sinuses, or they have an infection because
29:35
Speaker 5: they have all this benadryl on them and you need
29:38
Speaker 5: months to wash out so the body responds appropriately. Plus
29:43
Speaker 5: AAI Histamines have a lot.
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Speaker 6: Of other uses.
29:47
Speaker 5: One of the things is when they work for allergies,
29:50
Speaker 5: they shut down your veins and arteries so that you
29:54
Speaker 5: don't get redness. Histamine releases blood in a analogy and
30:00
Speaker 5: it flows and you get redness, and it also messes
30:04
Speaker 5: with your blood pressure, so bring it up or down.
30:08
Speaker 5: Hista means lowered, and a histamans force it up. You
30:11
Speaker 5: could actually force somebody into like a stroke situation if
30:15
Speaker 5: you used and a histamines like this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody here in this Dieo's studio is looking at
30:20
Speaker 1: each other like there's a next murder, but making somebody
30:23
Speaker 1: these bp go up with benadryl.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Touchin Maronie for putting that out there.
30:28
Speaker 1: So, Cheryl McCollum, this guy is raced to the hospital
30:31
Speaker 1: near death and then his daughter is told, yeah, your
30:35
Speaker 1: dad odd on opioids and she says he's not even
30:39
Speaker 1: prescribed that. Then everybody looks at the whole healthcare provider
30:45
Speaker 1: and they confirm none of his prescriptions involve.
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Speaker 9: Opioids, right, And then they have a whole another list
30:52
Speaker 9: of things that don't make sense. Either he doesn't want
30:55
Speaker 9: or need outdoor furniture, he doesn't need women shoes.
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Speaker 12: There's that whole other list.
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Speaker 9: Now they're going to have to, you know, make sense
31:03
Speaker 9: of and I think they're going to do it pretty quick.
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Speaker 2: Guys. Take a listen to Tara Morgan. Wews.
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Speaker 14: Police say Giles was the man's home health aid and
31:12
Speaker 14: was allowed to use his credit cards to buy things
31:15
Speaker 14: he needed. Police arrested Giles here at her house in
31:19
Speaker 14: Huron last Thursday. Police came here with a search warrant
31:23
Speaker 14: and a list. Police say she used the man's credit
31:26
Speaker 14: cards in part to furnish her house. Please say they
31:29
Speaker 14: believe Giles mixed old prescription pills with the man's medication
31:34
Speaker 14: to cover her trucks, and at one point he ended
31:37
Speaker 14: up in the hospital.
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Speaker 13: He was actually very lethargic at the time, so they
31:41
Speaker 13: ended up giving him narkan and they found opioids in
31:43
Speaker 13: his system.
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Speaker 1: Now, see, all of this so far is circumstantial. Did
31:48
Speaker 1: she give him the opioids? Did he somehow get his
31:52
Speaker 1: hands on it and take him himself on purpose or
31:55
Speaker 1: by accident? But that is not the end of the story.
31:58
Speaker 1: She could easily say he gave me these things, this
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Speaker 1: was voluntary on his part.
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Speaker 2: But take a listen to waws.
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Speaker 14: I'm sorry, Melury. Giles is heard on Sandusky police body
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Speaker 14: camp making numerous apologies and what sounds like a confession.
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Speaker 5: Huh, I don't know why I did.
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Speaker 7: I don't know.
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Speaker 14: Why either, Giles answering tough questions from police after an
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Speaker 14: investigation started in April, when police say an elderly man's
32:29
Speaker 14: family stop by for a visit and noticed something wrong
32:32
Speaker 14: with his financial records.
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Speaker 5: Do you have a drug problem?
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Speaker 7: Alcohol?
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I get sad they do things to take myself
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Speaker 1: field with her.
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Speaker 14: Did you think this stuff was going to go away?
32:48
Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Angie arnold question. I did this. It made
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Speaker 1: me feel better. Drugs no alcohol?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
32:57
Speaker 1: Sometimes can you actually get some sort of a physical
33:02
Speaker 1: high as a chopaholic.
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Speaker 12: Nancy, Believe it or not. I treat people for.
33:07
Speaker 1: That also, Man, you know it never gets old for you,
33:09
Speaker 1: does it? Doctor Angie? Okay, first you got to shoulder babies.
33:13
Speaker 1: Now you've got the chopper arcs. You may in fact
33:15
Speaker 1: be the same piece of people.
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Speaker 2: But go ahead.
33:17
Speaker 1: I want to hear how you get addicted to shopping,
33:20
Speaker 1: because sometimes my daughter will go in her room and
33:22
Speaker 1: the only way I know she's alive is I got
33:24
Speaker 1: a ping from PayPal.
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Speaker 12: Oh my lord?
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I want to call her a chopaholic.
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Speaker 6: Yet, go ahead, it's a dopamine rush.
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Speaker 12: Okay. I know everybody's gone in like Target, right. You
33:38
Speaker 12: notice how Target moves things around and they change things around,
33:42
Speaker 12: and it's real kind of bright and colorful when you
33:46
Speaker 12: go in there. Yes, they do it for a reason, Nancy.
33:48
Speaker 12: You go in there and you're like, oh you and
33:51
Speaker 12: your brain is all excited from this dopamine rush.
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Speaker 1: Have you noticed they have the little girl's clothing. It's
33:57
Speaker 1: always right up front when you walk in. Yeah, they
34:00
Speaker 1: have some bright display, as you're saying, But then you
34:03
Speaker 1: go in, they always have all the cutest little girl
34:07
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about you know, eight nine and under
34:11
Speaker 1: before they start saying things like no, mommy, I don't
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Speaker 1: want to wear that, which is a terrible, terrible I'll
34:16
Speaker 1: never forget when Lucy threw out all of her bows.
34:19
Speaker 1: She had a very extensive bow collection. It was a
34:22
Speaker 1: sad day for me. Ps I kept them. I kept them.
34:25
Speaker 1: They're hidden. There's like one hundred bows in case ever
34:28
Speaker 1: she changes their mind.
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Speaker 2: I'm ready.
34:30
Speaker 1: But when you go into Target, that's one of the
34:34
Speaker 1: first things you say. It gets to the moms, and
34:36
Speaker 1: then right behind it's the little boy's clothing and to
34:38
Speaker 1: the right of the toys, and they're conveniently you range,
34:41
Speaker 1: so the children can run one way and the moms
34:44
Speaker 1: across the aisle, but she can still see the child.
34:48
Speaker 2: I know this from experience, and.
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Speaker 1: We would get so carried away at Target, my daughter,
34:53
Speaker 1: which I got at Target had an aerial necklace and
34:56
Speaker 1: if you pushed it, it would do the song. Dad,
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Speaker 1: she's saying that much better and you can hear it
35:04
Speaker 1: all over the store. Oh wow, So I'd always know
35:07
Speaker 1: where Lucy was. Not that I'll enter out of my side,
35:10
Speaker 1: of course, but yes, they do that at Target, and.
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Speaker 12: That's how people get addicted. Nancy. It feels, I mean,
35:17
Speaker 12: Nancy people. I know people that have so many boxes
35:21
Speaker 12: coming to their house every day from Amazon and whatnot,
35:24
Speaker 12: and it's like getting a present every day.
35:26
Speaker 1: It's really not like getting a present every day because
35:29
Speaker 1: then you get the credit card bill.
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Speaker 2: That's not a present. That's like a bomb.
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Speaker 12: But that's not right away, is it. Well, you're right,
35:37
Speaker 12: that's not when you're opening that gift.
35:38
Speaker 2: He says something about dopamine.
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Speaker 12: Dopamine is an excitatory neurotransmitter, okay, And when you're feeling
35:45
Speaker 12: kind of down and out, it's the dopamine that needs
35:48
Speaker 12: to be hit, okay, And believe it or not, shopping
35:54
Speaker 12: encourages your dopamine to be hit.
35:57
Speaker 2: Take to listen to you more from Jack Shay Anywhere.
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Speaker 4: From Sandusky Police say their investigation revealed that Mallory Giles
36:05
Speaker 4: had allegedly been mixing in opioids with medications that had
36:09
Speaker 4: been prescribed. They say the motive for poisoning the ninety
36:13
Speaker 4: three year old man was diabolical.
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Speaker 13: She was trying to keep him medicated to a point
36:17
Speaker 13: where he wasn't looking at bank statements and credit card
36:20
Speaker 13: statements and things like that, where she could just handle
36:22
Speaker 13: those kinds of things without him noticing it.
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Speaker 4: At the conclusion of their investigation, police arrested Mallory Giles
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Speaker 4: on charges that include attempted murder and theft from a
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Speaker 4: protected class which reflects the age and declining health of
36:38
Speaker 4: the victim.
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Speaker 1: So to you, James shell Knott, just as if you
36:43
Speaker 1: attack a minor, have a sex tech on a minor,
36:46
Speaker 1: abuse of the elderly, the sentences are enhanced.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely they are you know you have Almost all states
36:54
Speaker 10: now have enacted a completely additional set of statutes with
36:59
Speaker 10: enhanced punishment for mistering of elderly with us physical abuse,
37:03
Speaker 10: emotional abuse, it can be for financial abuse. But exploitation
37:08
Speaker 10: of the elderly over the past ten or twelve years
37:10
Speaker 10: has really developed as something that is starting to become
37:14
Speaker 10: more well known, something that states are taking more of
37:17
Speaker 10: an active role in combating and yes, absolutely their enhanced
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Speaker 10: sentences for that, and.
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Speaker 1: She can tell us all about it after she's sitting
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Speaker 1: behind jail for a couple of years. Chel McCollum, have
37:27
Speaker 1: you ever seen an intentional poisoning so you can go
37:32
Speaker 1: on a shopping spree? I mean wal art, shoes, clothing, furniture,
37:36
Speaker 1: patio furniture, the works.
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Speaker 9: Let me tell you what I think is brilliant in
37:40
Speaker 9: this situation is the Sandunsky Police.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: They could have called her in and interviewed her in.
37:46
Speaker 12: An interview room. They could have done.
37:48
Speaker 2: A lot of different things.
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Speaker 9: They went to her home with bodycom and they were
37:54
Speaker 9: able to see some of the things that she purchased there.
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Speaker 9: They got her write they at her dining room table,
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Speaker 9: why'd you do it? I don't know why I did it.
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 12: That's the confession.
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Speaker 2: And then they started to ask her.
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Speaker 6: You got a drug problem, you got alcohol problem.
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Speaker 9: They are systematically going away and getting rid of any
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Speaker 9: excuse that she's going to be able to put down
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Speaker 9: the road.
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Speaker 1: Miss Thane just had a shopping problem. Take listen, Tary Morgan.
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Speaker 14: Lieutenant Scott Dahlgren says they believe Giles spent at least
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Speaker 14: fifty thousand dollars, possibly more for online purchases and at
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Speaker 14: a sporting goods store. Dolgren says Giles even bought stuff
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Speaker 14: for her teenage son.
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Speaker 10: We're taking the.
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Speaker 14: Stuff that's going to which easy identifiable.
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Speaker 13: It's large ticket items, couch chair, laige, all your worker
38:42
Speaker 13: stuff outside of his boat, the wall are so what
38:46
Speaker 13: amu it?
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Speaker 12: Generator?
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Speaker 2: It's ut muscimus shot that is it?
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Speaker 5: Not the app?
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Speaker 2: And you just said, like one time.
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Speaker 14: Six months ago, where'd you solve that to be honest
38:57
Speaker 14: with us?
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Speaker 1: Sorry, okay, Caitlinbecker dailymail dot com. So this BOC technical
39:07
Speaker 1: legal term was doping the old man after the daughter
39:14
Speaker 1: had done all she could to take care of him,
39:16
Speaker 1: so she could run through his credit card bills and
39:22
Speaker 1: even buying things for her son, outfitting her whole home
39:26
Speaker 1: and backyard to the tune of at least fifty thousand dollars,
39:31
Speaker 1: and then she even even resales it on Facebook.
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Speaker 8: It just gets worse and worse every single layer of this.
39:39
Speaker 8: And then, of course you add to the fact that
39:41
Speaker 8: the victim here is a ninety three year old someone
39:44
Speaker 8: who's lived a long life and it's likely had a
39:47
Speaker 8: fixed income. So you're not only taking advantage of someone
39:50
Speaker 8: that you were hired to care for, but you were
39:52
Speaker 8: taking advantage of a protected and vulnerable class. And Nancy,
39:56
Speaker 8: what I find truly wild is that, as we hear
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Speaker 8: in those audio clips, she essentially apologized that several times
40:03
Speaker 8: and says, I don't know why I did it.
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I don't even want to hear her whini.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. She had plenty of time to think about it,
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Speaker 1: stealing fifty thousand dollars and I think probably more. I mean,
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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney, our most vulnerable, the most vulnerable people in
40:20
Speaker 1: our society are the ones that are victimized so horribly,
40:25
Speaker 1: children and the elderly.
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Speaker 5: We have laws and guidelines as healthcare providers that people
40:32
Speaker 5: this age should not be prescribed certain medicines and opioids
40:39
Speaker 5: on a regular basis are identified, the prescribers wouldn't be
40:43
Speaker 5: doing that, so that's why they weren't prescribed, and that's
40:47
Speaker 5: how we know she introduced diverted or stolen drugs into
40:52
Speaker 5: this man's daily regimen.
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Speaker 1: Taylor Becker Daily mail dot com. Where does the case
40:58
Speaker 1: stand now?
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Speaker 8: Well, at this point she been arraigned, she pleaded not guilty,
41:03
Speaker 8: then they had a preliminary hearing and it's now bound
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Speaker 8: on for a grand jury.
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Speaker 1: She probably bailed out on his credit card. I only
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Speaker 1: have one thing to say to Mallory Giles, age thirty four,
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Speaker 1: rod and hell woman.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,