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Who wins the AL Central crown showdown? Cody Allen vs. AJ + Marcelo Mayer’s dad wanted out of Boston? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right, the showdown is on.
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  Speaker 2: The White Sox and the Guardians are battling for the
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  Speaker 2: American League Central. Cody Allen joining us back on foul territory. Allen,
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  Speaker 2: beloved in Cleveland, and AJ, beloved in the south side
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  Speaker 2: of Chicago. So this is going to be mostly an
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  Speaker 2: AJ versus Cody battle. But Cody, I'm going to start
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  Speaker 2: here just with a yes or no question, and we
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  Speaker 2: appreciate the time. AJ's got some allergies that are appearing
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  Speaker 2: here already during the conversation. Do you believe that the
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  Speaker 2: Guardians are going to win the division as a yes
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  Speaker 2: or no question?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I'd like you to state your case for why,
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  Speaker 2: and then I think there's going to be a rebuttal
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  Speaker 2: from the dude in the box above you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first off, they have a one-game lead heading into
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  Speaker 3: the last part of the season. So I think they're pitching.
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  Speaker 3: I think having Jose Ramirez back, I think certain guys
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  Speaker 3: are hot at the right times, and I think pitching
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day wins.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great.
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  Speaker 5: You lost 1-0 last night. Go ahead, Adrian.
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  Speaker 4: You lost some runs, too, by the way. And have
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  Speaker 4: you seen the score today? It's 3-0 White Sox in
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  Speaker 4: the first inning. So they're basically going to be tied
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  Speaker 4: after tonight, which we all know the White Sox have
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  Speaker 4: the tiebreaker. So, you know, Guardians can't afford to lose,
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  Speaker 4: and they're going to lose at least two of the
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  Speaker 4: next four. And the White Sox could win all four.
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  Speaker 4: So it might get to where it's kind of a blowout.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, but I will say this, man. The White
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  Speaker 3: Sox have had an opportunity here over the last few days.
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  Speaker 3: to catch up when Cleveland had Boston, right? Like, Cleveland
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  Speaker 3: had Boston, Chicago had Kansas City, and, you know, they
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  Speaker 3: lost a couple games there. But, I mean, it is
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  Speaker 3: going to come down to the last couple days. Like,
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  Speaker 3: it is going to be very, very interesting. And it's
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  Speaker 3: always really interesting this time of year when you have
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  Speaker 3: teams that are out of it. It feels like almost
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  Speaker 3: the teams that are out of it, man, they do
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  Speaker 3: such a good job of playing spoiler. It's almost like
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  Speaker 3: you would rather play the teams that are still in
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  Speaker 3: it than the teams that are out of it just
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  Speaker 3: because you don't know what you're going to get. You
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  Speaker 3: don't know which call-up you're going to get. You don't
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  Speaker 3: know how they're going to use their roster. You don't
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  Speaker 3: know how those guys are going to come out there
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  Speaker 3: and perform because there's a lot of guys for, say,
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  Speaker 3: a Kansas City or an Oakland that are out there.
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  Speaker 3: They're just trying to prove themselves and put themselves in
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  Speaker 3: a position to make the team next year, whereas you
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  Speaker 3: might have a veteran club. Like, you see what's happening
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  Speaker 3: in Houston. You know, Houston's– you know, they're still in it, but, man,
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  Speaker 3: they're kind of slumping at the wrong time.
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  Speaker 5: All right, so– Obviously, before you came on, AJ's like,
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  Speaker 5: the White Sox are going to win it. So you
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  Speaker 5: guys are arguing. We have both sides right now. Could
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  Speaker 5: there not be two more completely contrasting teams in the
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  Speaker 5: sense that you know the Guardians starting pitching. You know
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  Speaker 5: where they're at. You know that the White Sox are
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  Speaker 5: going to bang. You know that the Guardians are not
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  Speaker 5: going to strike out. Colson Montgomery is going to break
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  Speaker 5: the strikeout record today if he hasn't broken it already. Like,
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  Speaker 5: There is just two conflicting types of teams. Which team
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  Speaker 5: will do better or go longer in the postseason?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, from a fan's perspective, not just like a
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  Speaker 3: Cleveland guy or whatever, run suppression is at an all-time
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  Speaker 3: high in baseball, right? So the teams I feel like
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  Speaker 3: that can score, man, they're set up well. So, I mean, Chicago, man,
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  Speaker 3: they can score. They have athletes all over the field.
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  Speaker 3: Their lineup is really long. So if they get into
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  Speaker 3: a postseason, a five-game set, a seven-game set, where they've
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  Speaker 3: got an ability to go score some runs, they're dangerous. Now,
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  Speaker 3: on the other hand, too, with Cleveland, you take– Cleveland's
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  Speaker 3: always had such– you know, you've got Gavin Williams at
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  Speaker 3: the top, who's just a monster. But, I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: guys have seen this, where you'll take like fourth and
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  Speaker 3: fifth starters, you'll put them into a bullpen, and maybe
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  Speaker 3: the gaps that Cleveland has had in their bullpen– You know,
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  Speaker 3: Eric Sobrowski's throwing the ball extremely well right now. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: you've got the big guy at the back end, you know,
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  Speaker 3: closing games. But if you can take Tanner Bybee and
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  Speaker 3: put him in a shorter role or maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one of their other starters, you can put them down
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  Speaker 3: there and they're a lot more effective coming out of
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  Speaker 3: the bullpen. Then you can shorten the game essentially down
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  Speaker 3: to their top three starters. And you take their, you know,
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  Speaker 3: two or three best relievers. You add in a fourth
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  Speaker 3: and fifth starter at the back end that elevates that bullpen.
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  Speaker 3: it becomes a really, really hard pitching staff to kind
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  Speaker 3: of navigate. You look at kind of what the, the
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  Speaker 3: New York Yankees did in 2017, where they had some,
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  Speaker 3: some gaps maybe after their top three starters, they take
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  Speaker 3: certain guys, they put him down to the bullpen with
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  Speaker 3: some monsters down there and they ran it all the
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  Speaker 3: way to game seven of the LCS. All right.
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  Speaker 5: Have you seen the schedule? Have you, have you seen
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  Speaker 5: the schedule?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know who the White Sox played the last
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  Speaker 4: three games of the year?
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know. Well, like I said, like this
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  Speaker 3: time of the year though, man, like, some of those teams, man,
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  Speaker 3: they only get 28 guys.
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  Speaker 4: They only get to bring up two guys. So the
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  Speaker 4: Rockies got what they got kid.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Royals are playing better than the Rockies. No offense, but
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  Speaker 4: I've really played better than the Rockies.
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  Speaker 3: Are they in a, are they a Chicago in Colorado?
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  Speaker 3: Are they in Chicago?
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  Speaker 5: In Chicago. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say course field is also a
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  Speaker 3: kind of an equalizer times to you, but I mean, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I would love to have this conversation again on Sunday
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  Speaker 3: and see where we're at because I think both teams
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  Speaker 3: make the postseason, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're both going to make it. But I think
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  Speaker 4: it's bigger for the White Sox to have the bye
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  Speaker 4: for their pitching because the Guardians have much more pitching
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  Speaker 4: 1-14 pitching-wise, 13 pitching-wise than the White Sox do.
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  Speaker 3: You just have the ability to line up your pitching, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like if you can line up your pitching in that
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  Speaker 3: division series and just wait for whoever emerges out of
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  Speaker 3: that wildcard series, And I'll say this, too. You know,
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  Speaker 3: in a playoff series, when you have two teams from
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  Speaker 3: the same division, AJ, you experienced this quite a bit
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  Speaker 3: where you're duking it out with a team for 162.
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  Speaker 3: And then you see him in the postseason. Man, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot to be learned, like in the regular season
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  Speaker 3: of maybe how Parker Messick's going to pitch this lineup. Right. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so I think so. The postseason experience or
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  Speaker 3: veteran experience. And I think those two catchers that Cleveland
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  Speaker 3: has in Patrick Bailey and Austin Hedges. could play massive
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  Speaker 3: dividends if Chicago and Cleveland were to face each other
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  Speaker 3: in the first season.
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  Speaker 5: What is Cleveland's superpower outside of their pitching? Where is
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  Speaker 5: that superpower in the lineup? Are we still leaning on
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  Speaker 5: Jose Ramirez? I get it. He's starting to turn it around,
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  Speaker 5: but he hasn't looked Jose Ramirez-esque the whole year.
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  Speaker 3: I think they've got some, you know, and I think
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  Speaker 3: most teams right now that are just trying to figure
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  Speaker 3: out how to score runs. Granted, Cleveland has been that
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  Speaker 3: team where they're just looking for some type of recipe
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  Speaker 3: to score. Platooning is kind of their thing, right? David
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  Speaker 3: Fry's come back up and had some big key hits.
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  Speaker 3: So if he's a guy that can really hit left-handed pitching,
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  Speaker 3: you take some, you know, like Stephen Kwan doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: to be on base at a 500 clip. Travis Bazzana
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  Speaker 3: doesn't have to have an OPS of 800 in the postseason.
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  Speaker 3: If you can play those platoons well and maybe have
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  Speaker 3: certain guys late in the game to match up against
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  Speaker 3: the bullpen, I think you can stretch games out. I
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  Speaker 3: think you can string runs across. But obviously, in order
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  Speaker 3: for Cleveland to do what they've got to do, they
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  Speaker 3: have to pitch. They're not going to outslug anybody.
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  Speaker 4: Cody, enough of this. We know the White Sox are
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  Speaker 4: winning the division. So what about the other one? What
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  Speaker 4: about the West? Who wins the West? Is it Houston
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  Speaker 4: or Texas? Basically Houston and the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Houston
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  Speaker 4: or Texas? Who wins the West? Nobody looks like they
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  Speaker 4: want to win that division.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like whatever team has an opportunity to get ahead,
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  Speaker 3: they just don't. Houston gets swept. Texas, they're just meddling
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  Speaker 3: around right there. I'll tell you, I think Houston wins it.
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  Speaker 3: I think Houston wins it, but I think If I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at a team that could do some damage in
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  Speaker 3: the postseason, man, Texas, with what they could do, right?
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  Speaker 3: You could maybe take a rocker and put them in
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  Speaker 3: the bullpen. You've got all the arms there. You've got
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  Speaker 3: the talent. They just haven't quite put it together. But
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  Speaker 3: that team in a short series could be– I would
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  Speaker 3: not want to face Texas in a short series right
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  Speaker 3: now with their pitching.
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  Speaker 4: That's fair.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, who wants to like you got
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  Speaker 3: you get DeGrom, you get lighter, you know, in a
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  Speaker 3: short series. And then you could have Rocker at the back.
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  Speaker 3: You could put Rocker in the bullpen. You've got you've
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  Speaker 3: got these arms that could really just shorten the game
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  Speaker 3: for you. And they have the ability right now. But unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: like I like Ezekiel Duran, but he shouldn't be the
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  Speaker 3: best player on that team. Like there's some really, really
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  Speaker 3: talented players on that team. And if those guys show up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, we've all seen it where sometimes
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  Speaker 3: when the playoffs start and the lights come on, certain
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  Speaker 3: players elevate their game. You get a guy like a
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  Speaker 3: Wyatt Langford or a Corey Seager or a Josh John
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  Speaker 3: and those guys get hopped. Holy smokes. That's a really, really.
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  Speaker 3: dangerous club to run up against.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You definitely would worry about the offense. Seager and Langford
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  Speaker 2: slumped in the last few games. Adoles Garcia, I remember
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  Speaker 2: a few years back, I mean, he was– Yeah. stupid
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that was the time of his life. You know,
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  Speaker 3: and obviously when you can run out, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think we can all agree that when you go into
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  Speaker 3: a postseason series, you either got to beat, you either
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  Speaker 3: got to beat the other team's ace or you got
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  Speaker 3: to beat their closer. And, you know, if I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: at Houston's ace versus Texas's ace, who do I got
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  Speaker 3: a better shot of beating? I mean, Jacob DeGrom is,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I can think of a lot of other
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  Speaker 3: guys I'd rather face than him.
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  Speaker 5: Cody, one last one here, and I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 5: pick a side of the argument, but if you talk
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  Speaker 5: about those four teams, you go, okay, short series, you
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  Speaker 5: don't want to face DeGrom. Short series, you don't want
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  Speaker 5: to face Hunter Brown. Short series, you don't want to
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  Speaker 5: face Gavin Williams. Short series, you don't want to face
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  Speaker 5: Sean Burke. Like, isn't that an advantage a little bit too? Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Although he can be nasty.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I agree with you. I 100% agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, but the one thing the White Sox do,
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  Speaker 3: one thing that a lot of other teams can't do,
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  Speaker 3: and that's score in bunches. The offense at the big
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  Speaker 3: league level right now is so hard to come by
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  Speaker 3: that their ability to score is just such an outlier
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  Speaker 3: from all these other clubs. So, I mean, it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of like like, I don't know, you guys remember in 2014,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Kansas City Royals, right? Like, they're starting pitching, like,
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  Speaker 3: it was okay, you know, they had a good bullpen,
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  Speaker 3: but it was all, it always felt like, man, like,
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  Speaker 3: if Hosmer gets hot, or if Lorenzo, if that offense
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  Speaker 3: gets hot, they could make some noise, and man, they just,
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  Speaker 3: they started playing well, they started feeling good, and dude,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't care who you put out there, they were
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  Speaker 3: going to score six, or seven, or eight on a
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  Speaker 3: nightly basis, and that White Sox team, because of their
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  Speaker 3: length of their lineup, if they get a few guys hot, man,
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  Speaker 3: they're just waiting for the next guy to come in
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  Speaker 3: to eventually get them.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that team was more pitching-oriented, no?
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  Speaker 3: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: I thought that team was more about the back end
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  Speaker 1: of the bullpen, no?
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  Speaker 3: It was, but also, too, they scored. They were a
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  Speaker 3: team that would score five runs on eight pitches. It
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  Speaker 3: was like, what the heck just happened? You know, because
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  Speaker 3: it'd be like a walk, base hit, stolen base, double
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  Speaker 3: in the gap, it's 3-0. You know, Alex Gordon puts
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  Speaker 3: one off the, you know, into the fattens, and it's like, whoa,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we were just in a 1-0 ball game,
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  Speaker 3: and now, you know, we're trying to line up our
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  Speaker 3: pitching for tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, a little more aggressive, especially at that time
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  Speaker 2: when there was three true average city across baseball.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that Kansas City team has a bullpen that the
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  Speaker 3: White Sox don't have. But, like, from an offensive standpoint... Like,
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  Speaker 3: they have the length. They have guys that can run.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they just keep the pressure on. And the
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  Speaker 3: postseason atmosphere that is already super magnified. Every pitch is
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  Speaker 3: already super magnified. Every matchup is, you know, super well
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  Speaker 3: thought out. When you can just keep the pressure on
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  Speaker 3: over five, six, seven games, you know, you have some
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  Speaker 3: opportunities to kind of, like, break the floodgates open.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 3: Good stuff, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate the time and good luck to, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: you're watching the next few days.
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  Speaker 3: See you Sunday. We'll talk about it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's the all time saves leader for, for Cleveland. Cody.
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  Speaker 4: I agree with people from Orlando this time.
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  Speaker 2: We love Orlando though. I know five champ, AJ Pruszynski.
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  Speaker 2: So there you have it. Cody also on guardians TV
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  Speaker 2: and to the majors, his podcast with Pilar.
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  Speaker 3: Good stuff, Cody.
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  Speaker 1: Good talking to you, man. Thanks for stopping by.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks guys. See you later.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle and also
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  Speaker 1: Splash Hit Territory.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about Marcelo Meyer in a story here and how
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  Speaker 2: excited he was to join the Giants. We teased this
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  Speaker 2: the other day. We'll give it a little bit more time, okay,
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  Speaker 2: from the story. And this is someone on X taking
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  Speaker 2: some bits and pieces just to.
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  Speaker 1: Help us lay this out.
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  Speaker 2: As fans and sports talk media soured on him, Meyer
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  Speaker 2: and his family grew equally frustrated and let the Red
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  Speaker 2: Sox front office know they'd be comfortable with a trade,
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  Speaker 2: according to the article here It also notes that Marcelo
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  Speaker 2: Meyer's father, Enrique, grew up in the shadow of Dodger Stadium,
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  Speaker 2: but he was actually a Yankees fan. And when his
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  Speaker 2: dad found out about the trade to San Francisco, Enrique
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  Speaker 2: said he jumped 10 feet in the air. Quote, I
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  Speaker 2: can't explain how happy we are. And his father is
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: quoted in here saying that Marcelo got a bad rap in.
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  Speaker 1: Houston, or sorry, in Boston. Marcelo got a cortisone shot.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: This is the quote.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: A quarter zone shot to be ready to come back
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: a month and a half early to help the team
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And then he gets the rap. He
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't play in pain. That couldn't be further from the
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: truth in Boston. If you're going well, you're a God.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: And if you're struggling, they're going to tear you apart. AJ,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: the floor is yours.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, the craziest part of this
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: whole thing, besides we're talking to a dad of a player,
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: who was struggling and got traded. So of course he's
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: going to be happy when he, when they said the
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: parents and didn't it say in there, the parents were
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: talking to the front office of Boston saying we would
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: like a trade. What is this daddy ball? We want
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Enrique was, I think his name was Enrique.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: It wasn't even Enrique.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Enrique said the family was talking to the front office.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Like Kratz, what if, what if a dad on your
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: team comes to you and says, Hey, You know, little
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Johnny's not playing very well. Can you trade him to
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: the rival high school? Like, wouldn't you be like, what
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: are you doing? This is the big leagues. You got
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: to perform. He got traded because he wasn't performing. And yeah, well,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: maybe he'll do better. Maybe he couldn't handle the big
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: city of Boston. I don't know. I've never heard anybody
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: talk like this as a parent. And the fact that
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: they interviewed a parent and he's giving quotes like this
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: is also crazy to me.
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: I love that Susan went in depth. So this is
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: nothing on Susan, but I love that she went in
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: depth and found out, you know, because most players give
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: the stock answer.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know what?
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: It didn't work out. I wish it had, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: they really, they believed in me. I love a lot
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: of people over there, blah, blah, blah. The standard parent
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: player answer, but to get the feeling of the parents,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: look like you can go to a little league game,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: a high school travel game or a minor league game.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: And there are parents who, who believe in 100% in
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: their player, in their son, that their son is the
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: best player out there. Their son, I remember that one
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: home run that they hit. I remember. The organization's job
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: is to put their best team out on the field.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: And the fact that they had an opportunity to get
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: a left-handed reliever in Eric Miller for Marcel O'Meara, who
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: was supposed to be a 1-1 pick in 2021, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: slipped to them at four, you know what? It hasn't
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: panned out. Is his career over? Absolutely it's not. Could
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: he do better in a market like San Francisco? Maybe.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: He could probably also do better in a market where
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: he's going to play one position. I think sometimes people
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: glaze over the fact that this guy wasn't good was
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: a shortstop, drafted, was coming up as a shortstop, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: then came to the big leagues and didn't play much shortstop,
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: was learning other positions. So I think there's definitely talent
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: and ability there. Sometimes I think maybe parents should just, like, hey,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I'd love to do an interview about your son. Okay,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: let's talk about him, but I'm not going to say
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: anything negative about what was going on because you always
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: think your kid is really good and... Maybe that should
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: be tempered a little bit.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: AJ, can I make a suggestion here and tell me
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: if I'm being too radical?
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Probably.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: If I'm Marcelo Meyer and I see this story, I'm like, boop, boop, boop. Dad, stop.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Shut up. You're making me look bad.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Seriously.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I've been around Marcelo Meyer multiple times.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Remember when Daniel Schneeman started tweeting at guys? Like, dude,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: what are we doing? Like, dad, stop. You're not helping matters.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Everyone's excited when they get traded. It's a new team.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: It's a new opportunity. I mean, my mom has done
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: some interviews and I'm always like, Mom, you know, you
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: got to be careful what you say, Mom, because this
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: stuff is real and this is people's livelihood. So be careful.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Marcelo Meyer is 23. He's almost 24 years old. Like
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: his family in the scope of baseball have not been
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: in very many situations where Marcelo Meyer has not done well.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: So this is the first time he's struggled. So he
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: has to deal with it, but his family also has
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: to deal with it. And I mean, AJ just said, mom,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: be careful what you say. There was plenty of times
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: where I had to tell my family members, pretty much
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: everybody except for my wife, who would never say anything
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: bad about anybody, would sit there in games and be like,
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: and like somebody from my, some other family member would
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: be like, Like, you can't, like, because they get emotional
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: with the situation. They say the same things when I'm hitting. Like, oh, man,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: strike two. You got to be swinging at that ball. Like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: they want the best for their kid. This example is,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: it just came to light. And I think the Meyer
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: family will probably have, this might be this last conversation
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: that Enrique has with a media member.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: You would hope so i mean you can't control your
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: parents they can say whatever they want you are connected
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to them especially nowadays when quotes come out and then
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: they surface right nobody knows what the relationship is like
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and it seems like it's close enough that they're making
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: some decisions together here aj the other part that again
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: takes you in a weird direction is how the story
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: points out he's a yankees fan so and i'm talking
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: about enrique his father and then He and his son's
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: on the Red Sox. Like this sounds ridiculous, but is
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: it dad being like, Oh, screw the Red Sox.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: They're being mean to my son. I don't want him
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to be on the Red Sox.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I think it's the blinders that we all do it
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: as parents. I'm sure Kratz does it with his kids. You,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: you look at your kid and say, Oh, he's better
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: than that kid. That's going to ABC. But then you look,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: you know, when you take a step back and you
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: look at it, every parent has blinders on for their kid.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: My kid is the best. My kid is this.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Marcel Meyer was a top five pick in the country. Again,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: like Kratz said, he's probably never struggled.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Well, here he is.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: He struggled. He gets traded. Yeah, whoop-de-doo, here we go.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Ultimately, every conversation that we talk about something like this,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: whether it's Mr. Schneeman or it's Mr. Meyer, whatever it is,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: the big leagues is the ultimate what have you done.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Very few guys get to stay in the big leagues
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: without ever actually doing anything. Yeah, you get to go
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: to the big leagues. But then you get sent down.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: He had a cortisone shot. There's plenty of guys that
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: are getting cortisone shots. There's plenty of guys that are
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: playing through pain. So to be like, oh, well, we
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: read that you were... Unless the organization comes up to
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Marcelo and goes, you're not that tough. Don't worry about
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: people in the media saying or fans saying he's not tough.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: We don't need to know the cortisone shots that you got.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: AJ Brzezinski essentially never... went on the IL in 19
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: big league seasons. He was hurting. Things hurt. He was
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: not 100%. People play through that stuff. You don't get
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: a trophy for telling us, you know what? I did
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: do this. Or my son did have to take a
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: cortisone shot. So stop talking about him not being tough.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: It's all what you have. What have you done in
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: the big leagues? He doesn't perform in San Francisco. He's
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: not going to stay in the big leagues. That's the point.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I think Marcelo Myers is a really good player. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: saw him right when he got drafted. I think he's
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: a great kid who's got a great head on his shoulders, smart,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: but it didn't work out. And that's okay. He's got
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: to figure it out in San Francisco or he'll go
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: to another team.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I have one more component here that ties into Boston,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: New York, Philly, and some select markets. I think there's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: a big difference between writers in a clubhouse asking questions
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and what you hear on the local radio station. You
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: guys can probably speak to this. I can as somebody
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: that was in many locker rooms for a long period
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: of time. It's not often that you're in a clubhouse
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: and you're getting like consistent. I mean, you might get
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: some silly questions that are not very well educated or
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: whatever on the topic, but it's not like someone's sitting
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: there with a mic.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And Marcello's face being like, Oh, you're soft. What's your injury?
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: That's the stuff that goes on in the radio and
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the radio industry increasingly in some spots with some hosts
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: gets more popular for the more ridiculous shit that comes out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: We've gone over some of that stuff in the past.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's always been a thing, but I think it's become
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: even more of a thing to try and stand out.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So I just think that's an important differentiator. Like, does
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: he have a mic in his face with people calling
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: him out like that in the clubhouse? Absolutely not. So
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to blame like all of Boston
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: media on this. if there's radio hosts doing bits on
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: who's soft and who's not and all of that, that's
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: just normal radio BS. And who cares? Like I would,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I would look at that more as parody, right? Occasionally
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: we've been called out on different radio stations. I remember
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: there's the one in Texas, like desperately, I don't know
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: anything about them, but trying to like, be like, Oh,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that's just what they do. So you gotta not only
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: brush that off, but kind of laugh at it. Like, Oh, Google,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: that was their bit today.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: But you also have to look at it as a
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: parent and that, you know, Marcel Meyer is not 12
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: years old. He's 24 years old, right? You have to go, mom, dad,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: you can't listen to what people are saying. I'll tell
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: you what's going on. You don't need to read or
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: hear or listen to the radio. I know it's harder
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: with social media, but you don't have to do that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Come to me, call me mom and dad. I'll tell
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you what's happening and I'll tell you the truth. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I think that also is where people go a little
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: bit astray. Family members, you And then, oh, this guy
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: was mean to me and said this about my brother
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: or my son or whatever. Like, just take a step
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: back and understand that not everyone opinion matters. What matters
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: is what you and your kid talk about.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And if you can't handle it, don't go on social media.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: If you can't handle it, then you don't need to
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: be on social media.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It's not for everyone.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Sometimes people call out, oh, I'm getting threats or I'm
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: getting bad comments, which like is terrible.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And a death threat is different. I get it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: That's a threat on your life.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: But like people just saying, oh, you stink, you suck,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: your family stinks, whatever, like terrible. But also like you
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: have a family member you're close with. They're making a
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: ton of money. It's their job and their livelihood. If
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you don't need social media, maybe skip it for a
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: When my family would like ask me questions, you could
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: tell when the questions were like– I would just be like,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: are you reading the comments? Don't read the comments. Don't
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: listen to– There was a radio guy in Philly that
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: after the one season that I had, end of the season,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: the guy was doing the wrap up and he was like,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: crats is terrible. And my dad was like, I'll never
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: listen to that guy again. And I'm like, was I
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: that great though, dad? Did I do awesome? He's like, well,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: I thought you had some awesome moments. I'm like, thank you, dad.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: But to not ever listen to another guy again who's
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: just like a rock jock, you know, trying to get
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: some clicks. Howard Eskin one time called Charlie Manuel out,
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: who's probably the most beloved manager of all time in Philly,
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: called him out and said he's a country bumpkin and
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: he'll never be a good manager here. And that doesn't
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: affect how you manage. It shouldn't affect how you play
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: unless you let it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: I loved it. I loved it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I really think that's true. Watch this.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: You son of a gun. Watch me shove it up.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'll never go back to the Ozzie J.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Mariotti thing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Here's the thing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys remember this, but Ozzie
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: and J. Mariotti, this columnist in Chicago, they went back
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: and forth and back and forth and back and forth. J.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: would write an article. Ozzie would call him names. Ozzie
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: had to go to sensitivity training for calling him names.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: But you know what J.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Never did? He never showed his face in the clubhouse.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: So you know what?
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: That just made it worse, right? So if you're one
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: of these guys that wants to do this, that's fine.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Like I tell people all the time, like if I
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: say something about you and it's nothing personal, but I
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: tell you what, I'll show my face in the clubhouse
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: the next day. And if you want to say something
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: to me, here I am. I mean, early in the year,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Jack Caglione and I had a thing where, you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: I said he shouldn't have been in the home run derby.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I saw him at the All-Star game. We talked it out.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: You guys saw us after. Scott, you saw me with
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: him at the players party. We were having a good
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: old time because, you know what? He's like, that's great.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: You're right. You know what?
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: You're entitled to your opinion.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: And we moved on.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: But if you say these things, this is where players
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: get mad more than anything. If you say these things
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: and you don't show up to take my rebuttal or
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: my little bit of anger that I have towards you,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: then they don't respect you. And that's where people get angry, angry.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, dude.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Even on the show, I mean, we're talking for two
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: hours a day. We've all done some phone calls where
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: we're explaining where we're coming from. Sometimes maybe we're misunderstanding
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: where something's coming from. And then If you're working in
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: baseball or you're a player or you're somebody else, you.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Know how to get a hold of us.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I had a good chat on All-Star with DeRosa when
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: we were critical of how Team USA was running during
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: that time period and we had a great conversation. about
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: it i told him where i was coming from he
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: told me where he was coming from old friend of
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: mine stuff like that so i think it's important but
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: anyway good talk here i think it was worth the
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: conversation because parents be careful and parents of youth just
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: let the kids play