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Ep.221 ''Post Therapy Expo 2024 Reflection' with a multidisciplinary panel of attendees · The STA Clinician Podcast

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  You're listening to the Sports Therapy Association podcast, putting evidence
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  back into soft tissue therapy.
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  Music.
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  And we are live. Welcome everybody.
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  My name is Matt Phillips, creative1chatlive.com and this is episode 221 of the
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  Sports Therapy Association podcast.
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  Recorded as always live every tuesday at
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  eight o'clock on sports therapy association youtube channel
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  as you can see if you've joined us on youtube for the
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  live recording on facebook eight people on
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  the screen tonight the maximum i can squeeze into a podcast episode
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  because tonight what we're going to do is we're going to reflect on therapy
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  expo 2024 that took place last week
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  in the birmingham nec in the uk on wednesday
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  november 26th and thursday the 27th for
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  those of you who are regular listens to the podcast you'll know that the
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  STA Update Theatre in Therapy Expo was bigger and
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  better than ever with two days as always of presentations from amazing speakers
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  as well as all the stuff going on on the outside with the marvellous hands-on
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  hub and all the theatres and the networking possibilities and the speaker lounges
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  and fantastically ridiculously priced coffee and stuff that was all around with
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  us and tonight I have the pleasure of bringing you.
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  Seven attendees,
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  multidisciplinary panel, which I'm really excited about because after all,
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  the expo does kind of sell itself as a multidisciplinary conference.
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  So I'm really excited to bring this to you.
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  So if you have joined us live, then the advantage you've got is you can ask
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  our guests questions live. You can comment yourself.
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  And I'm hoping that if you do join us live, you can put your own experiences,
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  particularly if you went there.
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  And also, if you didn't go there, I really want to hear tonight why you didn't go.
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  Were there barriers? was it too expensive could you do not find accommodation
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  had you seen it all before were you not oppressed with the program or maybe
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  there was other reasons you just couldn't afford to take two days off clinic
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  whatever it was okay because i really want to hear the pros and the cons for it.
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  So that's it we'll hear hey everybody hey uh say hi right so what we're going
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  to do then for the benefit of the people who have joined us on the podcast i
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  reckon this might be tricky but i'm going know call out your name and then maybe
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  just within 20-30 seconds tell us your name your profession,
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  where you're from or where you're based and how
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  many times you've been to Therapy Expo that make sense so I'll go around in
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  no particular order I'll just read them out from a crib sheet Natalie Heng you're
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  first you're up I'm a clinical and sports massage therapist based in London
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  and this was my first time right Therapy Expo fantastic thank you very much Shannon Byrne,
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  Thanks so much. I am Shannon Byrne. I'm the owner of Rebound Injury Clinic in Dublin, Ireland.
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  And I also lecture in Portfella Institute in their Latter-dayer Science and
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  Sports Therapy programme.
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  I'm a sports therapist and I think this is year four I've gone to the therapy episode, three or four.
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  Excellent. Thank you very much. Brilliant. And Danielle Peters?
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  Hi, I'm Danielle Peters. I run Body Health Gatwick.
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  In Gatwick, as it says, I'm a graduate sports therapist.
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  I believe this is the third time I've been to Sports Therapy Expo myself.
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  Amazing. Steve Yeoman. Hi, Steve. I'm based in Warrington.
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  I'm a sports therapist and that's my second time I've attended.
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  Brilliant. Thanks a lot, Steve. And Sharia, do you want to try his surname?
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  Go on, Sharia Kirazang. pretty close i'll say
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  that's a nice try cancel on i know
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  it's there really close yeah really close so hi i'm
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  sharia i am from um we physio and
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  can in care physiotherapy in based in glasgow
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  this is my first time in therapy expo brilliant thank you much sharia and emily
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  sweet hi i'm emily i'm a physio i'm based down in plymouth i'm a physio in the
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  nhf but also just recently joined And Islasal, so the private physio clinic,
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  And this is my first year of time, Nick. Fantastic. Thank you very much.
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  And last but no means least, Nikki Sherman.
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  Sherman. See, I told you I'd get it wrong.
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  Yeah, I'm Nikki Sherman and I am Sherman Podiatry. I'm in Worcester.
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  I've been working 25 years pretty much now. And I've been to Therapy Expo about
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  three or four times. I can't quite remember.
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  Fantastic. I'm so happy, first of all, that you've all said yes,
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  which is amazing because I know you're a busy clinician. Some of you literally
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  finished about five minutes ago. So I really appreciate your time.
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  And also such a lovely selection. There's people who are from different disciplines,
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  which was going to be really interesting as well. And people have been there
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  one time, two times, four times.
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  So there should be lots of different experiences.
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  Nicky Mansfield is in the house, obviously. Nicky Mansfield says,
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  hey, all, sorry I'm late. Head cold, messing with my brain.
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  Nicky, all I can say is it's not man flu. So just you're fine.
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  Don't worry. You can't get the worst kind of cold and flu out there.
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  Exactly. Thank you, Steve. I'm glad you joined me on that.
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  Brilliant. Right. So thank you for joining us, Nicky. And don't forget,
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  people, if you are listening, do put some questions in there or put some experiences
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  how therapy expert went for you.
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  So let's I don't want to start on it. Maybe it's not a downer,
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  but I think the elephant in the room normally, which listeners will want to
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  know about, is about the cost.
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  Now, this will obviously vary on people. It's not going to vary too much because
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  you're all health care providers.
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  So none of you are making none of you got Mercedes outside your front door because
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  you're in the wrong profession for that. But I'm interested,
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  and we'll go around the room again, I'm interested whether it was a barrier
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  for you, whether it was an issue.
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  Obviously, you all made it in the end. I'm wondering how you made it.
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  Did you have to structure something or how did you manage to get two days off clinic?
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  And I appreciate it will vary depending on whether you're by yourself or in
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  a multidisciplinary clinic or whatever.
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  But I'm interested about costs. So maybe let's go in the same order on my list.
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  I don't leave people out. Natalie.
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  Was it a problem for you? So I think I got the early bird.
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  So it's like 120 pounds or something rather than 180 pounds.
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  And initially I actually was like, oh, I don't know.
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  I need to, I was having some cash flow stuff. So my friend actually bought the
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  ticket for me, which was a mistake because there were issues with the app.
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  But I feel like 120 pounds.
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  Yeah, I think that's decent for
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  like two days of like jam-packed full of stuff. You get like your CPD in.
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  So I feel like I think it's worth it and you can like call it an expense as well so,
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  how is it for because you've got the you've got that the entrance
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  and there is early bird tickets and also STA members
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  get load things and you might be with an association who gives you
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  discounts and stuff but what about the extra costs here some
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  people say like you went to birthdays did you you go
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  to two days and how was accommodation did you have something else sorted out or
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  how did you manage that Airbnb with a couple of friends
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  so that was that was pretty decent we went we
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  could win for a cheap cheap place maybe next time i'll
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  go for a less cheap place but yeah it was
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  really was it a very cheap place then yeah yeah
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  yeah i will yeah yeah we did that one year yeah yeah
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  i made him say i could put my hand down the side of the bed and i'm never going to forget
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  what i found that's horrible yeah but no airbnb we
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  mentioned that like four months ago we were doing white people listen now's the
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  time get your airbnb i know somebody the hands on
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  hub of like 18 people in a house and it was like 1300
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  for 18 people just like 65 pounds
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  each or something it was like doable for two nights so yeah
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  good shout so you managed it in the end that's good okay let's go to Shannon
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  what was it like for you is it ever I wasn't as lucky on the accommodation front
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  I was very well prepared from the tickets because like I said I've been to therapy
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  a couple of times so I typically try and buy the tickets when I'm there and then by the.
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  I don't know if anybody does max that way, but because I've bought it so far, it's nearly free.
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  Luckily enough, I booked my flights early on too, and I had another event in Blackpool the weekend.
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  So I was able to double up. So I was flying to the UK on Wednesday morning.
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  I'd be in the airport at 4am. Wasn't sure how my brain was going to hold up for the full day.
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  And then I actually only arrived home back to Dublin last night.
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  So I kind of got a dual trip this time around, whereas normally that would be
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  two flights in two weeks for me.
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  The flights, because I booked them early enough, I want to say maybe three or
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  four months ago, were quite cheap.
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  The accommodation, I must have gone on and priced the accommodation and not booked it.
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  So when I went on maybe three weeks before the expo to double check where my
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  hotel was, I realized I didn't book anything.
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  So for my two nights in travel lodge, I think it cost me close to £300.
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  So definitely an expensive mistake to make that I probably won't make again.
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  And I probably wouldn't do the red-eye flight on the Wednesday morning and again
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  either because by the time I got to the end of the day, my brain was definitely ready to switch off.
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  So the extra expense of maybe another hotel the night before would probably
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  be beneficial in terms of taking in as much information as possible on the day.
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  And so again, another kind of added expense for anybody that's coming from a little bit further out.
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  But again, I buy my ticket well enough in advance for it.
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  I think I paid £99 plus fat and then the extra £20 for the recordings for next year.
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  So I think it might have worked out as 150 quid in advance which I don't think
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  again is too bad considering the amount of CPD that you're getting the network
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  and all that sort of stuff too but I might book the hotel a little bit earlier this time around.
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  Yeah so booking ahead yeah doing it earlier on. Or like that jumping in with
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  somebody else I was traveling on my own so maybe if I was sharing the hotel
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  with a colleague and we were splitting the cost it might not be as bad and but
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  traveling on my own it was definitely more expensive.
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  Okay, brilliant. How about Danny? How's it for you? Yeah, good.
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  So actually, I learned from my mistakes. I did. I went up on the Tuesday night.
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  Yeah, because my brain can't handle a 4 or 5am start and then a full day of learning.
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  Like I get to about two o'clock and I'm just fried.
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  So yeah, I went up Tuesday night.
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  So for me to get to Birmingham is about three hours, three and a half hours.
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  So it's not the quickest journey. this year I was a bit lucky because
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  my other half happened to be working in Leicester in the
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  same week which is an hour away so we actually we
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  ended up staying in Coventry which is about half
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  hour 40 minutes away and I've been to Birmingham
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  a couple times now for various things and honestly if
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  you just stay outside near a train line it is
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  so easy to get in on train and it's
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  much cheaper than staying in actual Birmingham city as
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  well so yeah I highly recommend like going just
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  to coventry instead or or look look at the
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  train line because they're dead easy so oh
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  yeah nicky manseo just seen yeah staying over in coventry yeah
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  so there you go just stay slightly outside you'll probably
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  get a really nice accommodation as well for the price ours
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  is beautiful it's like on a farm it's lovely great advice
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  yeah yes that's brilliant yes staying slightly outside yeah nicky
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  has said recommend staying over in coventry much cheaper than solihull broom
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  dead easy travel by train or drive stay near the a45 and
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  it's pretty much 15 minutes in a straight line to the nbc it's true
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  if anybody's not aware of the nbc there's literally like a 10 minute skywalk
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  they call it don't they from the station into the actual conference area so
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  all these things may help you if if that was your fear um of not going for not
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  going this year thank you danny uh steve i was in the very fortunate position
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  that i was taken as a guest of one of the exhibitors.
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  So my ticket cost me nothing. Oh, nice. It's who you're now, isn't it, Steve?
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  All it cost me was the, obviously my petrol, my hotel, which I stayed at the
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  Premier over the road and just walked across the car park.
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  So that's the best way to do it. How long were you stalking this exhibitor for
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  in order to build up a relationship and be able to stay in their house?
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  I actually know that exhibitor actually asked me if I wanted to go because I bought at the cost.
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  When they mentioned it, I said, I don't know because of the cost implication
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  and taking time at work, et cetera.
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  And then they said, no, come as my guest. Fair enough. So I don't know if you
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  noticed on my tag, it did say exhibitor.
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  I didn't. Because I don't know. No reason to look at your chest. Yeah.
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  I know. That's good. That's a nice little success story. So good on you.
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  If you can manage to, if you know somebody who's exhibiting,
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  that's a great way to do it. Okay. Nice one.
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  Cecily hisslop says i stayed in the hands-on hub
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  party house highly recommend it yes i've still
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  got that picture you drew we won't go any further than that shall we
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  know injury muskine has joined us saying sorry i'm late people who have joined
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  us late if you went to therapy expo then yeah feel free to put some stuff in
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  the comments and we will pick up on them sharia how did you manage to get from
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  sunny glasgow sunny glasgow definitely so because i am luckily in the.
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  The tickets for for for the expo and
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  my boss she get it like she got it for me so i
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  don't have to pay anything thank you so much natalie
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  thank you so much to like my boss your name natalie sorry
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  i'm also for for the trains
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  and i took the train from glasgow central and it's
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  like to me probably five hours it's really
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  tired and also i travel the same day so i
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  wake up for like four and then reached there for like 10 half
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  10 and then i luckily but i
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  mean luckily i got the hotel from trip so it's not
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  too bad for one night 100 quits but um
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  so in general it's quite pretty well worth it for
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  cpd but quite a long journey to
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  travel from glasgow and you know just two day and one
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  night and back at the second day and i
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  think i reached glasgow probably like 1 a.m on friday
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  that's tough going that's hardcore yeah i think there was a
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  few people there this year who were part of a team i
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  seemed i don't know whether i just started looking for it but i
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  think um emily you were part of a team weren't you did your but actually i might
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  be starting off an issue here did your boss pay for you emily did you have to
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  pay yourself no no i was i was really lucky yeah shout out to mila for getting
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  trouble with island no there was an like a couple of my colleagues as well,
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  they were meant to be going and then they couldn't go.
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  So that's why Isla had the spare ticket. So I kind of, yeah,
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  went very last minute, like only had a couple, couple of weeks notice.
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  It's like I work like yeah full-time in
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  the NHS and the MSK outpatient department so
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  it just happened to be that on the Thursday I had annual leave anyway so I didn't
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  have to request anything and then for me to go all day on the Wednesday I only
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  had half and had the afternoon of patients to sort of reorganize so I was very
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  fortunate to be able to go because I think if I had yeah full
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  obviously diary for a couple of couple of days and
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  only a couple of weeks notice I wouldn't have been able to attend so yeah
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  i was really lucky and accommodation wise we did
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  airbnbs there was five of us in in total so yeah we um just split it all and
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  again yeah i love amazing and drove us all up so i guess that was booked again
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  a bit in advance was it to get a decent airbnb yeah i believe um i think i did
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  the early bird offer i think as well so yeah she booked it.
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  Yeah yeah i mean anyone who pays full price for therapy expo is missing out
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  something huge because it's i think it's like full price is on about 300 quid
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  or something or it's like a fortune,
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  so it's interesting i wonder whether people out there who do work in a in a
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  clinic with a few people maybe there is a conversation to be had there with
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  your boss because i imagine there's some deal if they say look i've got three
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  workers who want to go along to this event or,
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  maybe there is a way of doing it and then also you can book an airbnb and so
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  yeah interesting Yeah, and interesting
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  from like being outside of the private setting for a long time.
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  I actually didn't know Therapy Expo was a thing.
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  And I guess, yeah, a lot of my colleagues in the NHS and things,
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  if we didn't know about it, we wouldn't think about booking it in a year in advance.
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  And then we would get to the point of coming close to time being like,
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  yeah, there's no way we could afford that and get the time on.
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  Yes, you didn't know about it. So, yeah, we'll talk to marketing at Therapy Expo.
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  Later on the fact that and you work whereabouts in what hospital so i'm um part of um,
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  Yeah, I am basing call. I'm so touched on that. I'm a better side of the Tamar Bridge.
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  But no, I work in Derriford, Plymouth, so UHP.
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  Okay, yeah. So it's interesting that they don't know about therapy expert. Yeah.
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  Okay, well, we'll talk about not being in the private sector,
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  what you've found then, if it was useful to you.
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  So we just have, Nikki, how was it for you? Was there a cost ever a barrier for you?
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  Well for us in podiatry we have the
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  annual conference as well at the same time it's the same week
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  last year I managed to double book myself when I was at therapy expo
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  one day and then I it was very close anyway but this year I managed to be very
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  organized and I was just coming to therapy expo because I work in Worcester
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  and and Worcester's not that far anyway it's like 40 minutes to Birmingham so
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  me and the physio that works with me we sort the kids out and then And we tend
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  to get there like a little late.
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  So we tend to actually miss the first talk, which is really annoying because
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  often the first one is one of the ones I want to go and see.
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  And yeah, we generally book ahead in advance anyway. So that's all fine.
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  But parking can be a problem. So as long as you book the parking in advance,
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  too, then it's a bit cheaper.
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  So it all seems to be in advance, isn't it? Which isn't a surprise, I think.
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  But the amount of feedback we get, people are kind of thought that was too much, too much.
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  There does seem to be a correlation between people
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  who maybe aren't that organized or didn't book it ahead it seems
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  to be the biggest reason that's why we spent so long in the first kind of 20 minutes
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  talking about it because it's the biggest obstacle i think it doesn't have to be that expensive
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  let's move on to you you've got
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  a decent deal you've arrived there what about content
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  so i think it's interesting i don't know how
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  to do this it is interesting that we have got a selection of different disciplines
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  here in terms of sports massage therapists sports therapists physios podiatrists
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  i don't know whether to do it in order or whether just to see if there's any
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  correlation between them what do you think guys should we go around and do it
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  in order in terms of profession or should we just say what we enjoyed and see
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  if there's a correlation.
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  They're all looking at me going i don't know matt you're the host you tell us okay let's start with,
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  massage therapists okay massage therapists so natalie that's you yeah how did
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  you find it being a massage there first of all just to reiterate when did you
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  qualify when you say you're a sports massage therapist how long ago did you
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  qualify i started the first course in 2018 and then,
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  so i did like a beginner's thing and then i did the acmc i trained with the
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  jing okay yeah and then so i think you know those and then there's covid so
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  like i know 2019 like like.
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  2019 2020 something like that i guess and is there a level then involved what level would you be,
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  Level six. I know I'm not supposed to say that with this. Yeah.
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  You can say that in the show. It's fine.
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  Level six. Yeah. I did the BTEC. The BTEC six. Yeah.
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  So you're allowed through your certification to work with people who are injured.
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  Yeah. Yeah. It's not the same. It's often with massage therapy.
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  If it's after 2012 or something, we think you can only work with kind of pre
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  or post event or it's all very complicated now.
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  But you are actually a massage therapist who is allowed to work with injured people. Yeah.
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  Yeah. okay so really in the same bag as sports therapist not
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  to don't start stoning me sports therapist if you've done three or
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  four years degrees or bscs or anything but i i was
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  under the impression you were just not just a terrible thing to say that
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  you i don't i don't you know rehab stuff like that i don't really you know
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  do i have like basic sort of suggestions but i definitely
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  you know that's kind of beyond like my scope so i'm
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  sure that there's a big difference between sports therapists and
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  and you know massage therapists there is
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  if it's a level three massage therapists let's go with let's chuck
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  kind of certificates on the wall aside let's go with what you
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  all found one of the one or two
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  things you really were surprised and you found really useful so maybe sharia
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  let's start with you what did you what stood out for you in terms of positive
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  useful information um so my backgrounds besides the clinics that i work for
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  msk i also work as a sport physio for football as well.
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  And from my point of view, there's two main things that I think is quite useful
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  for the first of all, like the talks, especially sport related.
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  They might not, they might don't have that much football related.
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  They might have a lot of, you know, shoulder injury and runner,
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  but there's a brilliant talk by Dr.
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  Bilos about ACL courts reconstruction, which is we've seen a lot in football, is really useful.
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  We normally see hamstring graft.
• 20:57
  Right now, it seems like we are going to the new era of quartz graft as well. It's really useful.
• 21:03
  And then in terms of MSK, as a physio who work in private clinics,
• 21:07
  I initially quite struggled with the managing times,
• 21:12
  how to maximize managing the time and
• 21:15
  maximize the productivities so i think
• 21:18
  most of the talk is really really useful like kind
• 21:21
  of shave your ideas how you can
• 21:24
  manage things not just only the knowledge
• 21:27
  and also how you manage productivities while you're working that's what i love
• 21:32
  the kind of business related yeah anybody in particular stand out for you with
• 21:36
  regards to that do you remember any names or a few of them for am for You mean
• 21:42
  for the business and maximizing I like TikTok efficiency from Mike James, right?
• 21:47
  James is quite good. And then because I don't go and listen to that much kind
• 21:53
  of like business and entrepreneur idea how to manage the clinics,
• 21:58
  because obviously I'm not the clinic owners.
• 22:00
  But I like the idea of kind of like how you manage in terms of your being a
• 22:04
  physio and how you can help patients as a whole.
• 22:07
  And also you can maximizing productivities and not like doing everything in one hour.
• 22:15
  Try to prioritize things which is really good okay
• 22:18
  so two themes there we're going to throw to the floor first of
• 22:21
  all sports specific stuff did anybody feel that they would have liked
• 22:24
  something more sports you can't cover all the sports but
• 22:27
  would you i don't think there was many talks there that were particularly sports
• 22:30
  specific were there or did i miss them there's netball yeah and and also um
• 22:37
  the um the runners the interrunner that you did oh yeah there's an I feel like
• 22:44
  we should have more varieties of sports or maybe.
• 22:48
  Because we are UK, like football, like that.
• 22:53
  But I want to see more rugby in the future.
• 22:56
  But that's good. We have concoction guidelines as well. We want to try a mix of everything.
• 23:03
  Badminton's also a lot of shoulder injury. that why I'm kind of like,
• 23:07
  it's like more variety of sport in the expo because it's going to be more like that.
• 23:13
  Maybe a sports theatre, maybe one of the theatres, okay, it's a different type of sports.
• 23:17
  It's third open. Anybody else feel
• 23:18
  they would have liked to see particular sports in there or do you think?
• 23:20
  Yeah, from previous years Matt, there was the
• 23:23
  likes of Liz Bailey there talking about dancers and dance injuries and that
• 23:26
  sort of stuff and I work with quite a lot of dancers and I was a dancer myself
• 23:29
  so a lot of my clients would be dancers just
• 23:32
  I suppose it's a natural progression for me being a dancer and so
• 23:35
  I always really enjoyed Liz's talks in the past and
• 23:38
  she wasn't there this year and I think Steph the Act would have
• 23:41
  been the closest to dance specific even though her talks were
• 23:44
  more around kind of hypermobility and hypermobility Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome but
• 23:48
  it definitely would have been nicer to have some more specific to dance because
• 23:52
  like when we look at the research there's a lot in relation to ballet specifically
• 23:57
  but not other genres of dance so like you were saying it's some sort of a sports
• 24:01
  either that would maybe do kind of a couple of different sports,
• 24:03
  it would definitely help practitioners that are working within specific sports
• 24:07
  to kind of maybe go to one or two of those talks that match up with their client's help.
• 24:11
  Definitely the netball was tom astley
• 24:14
  wasn't it i think rightly yeah they just give tom a little shout
• 24:17
  out fantastic any other comments on sports specific danny
• 24:20
  would you like to see some combat sports when you're that's your neck of the woods would you
• 24:23
  like to have seen something specific to that or yeah i
• 24:26
  mean do you want to get away from that no absolutely i mean i don't think there
• 24:33
  was any martial arts this year at all i know in the past they i remember there
• 24:37
  was one about boxing but it was more about their kind of their progression in
• 24:41
  the sport rather than actually anything from a therapist point of view.
• 24:45
  So, yeah, absolutely. I totally agree. There should be more varieties of sports
• 24:49
  spoken. I love the idea of maybe having a theatre dedicated purely just to chatting
• 24:54
  about pros and cons of sports, things you're going to likely see in that sport.
• 25:00
  Something like that would be really, really helpful. How you would address it,
• 25:03
  what prehab maybe you could do.
• 25:04
  Like just a bit of life experience is always I really
• 25:07
  enjoy them sort of style of talks I do because
• 25:10
  I obviously run a business I do enjoy actually the business stuff
• 25:13
  as well I find it really like focuses my thoughts and try and gives me a bit
• 25:18
  of direction and and good things always come as well from from networking with
• 25:23
  those people as well they do give you some good ideas and then you can take
• 25:26
  it back so yeah yeah I I remember the the dancer ones last year and I And I
• 25:31
  absolutely love them, to be fair.
• 25:33
  And I often share the slides on my Instagram stories for my clients.
• 25:38
  And it doesn't matter really what sport they are.
• 25:40
  And they love it. They love looking at seeing what I do behind the scenes.
• 25:44
  And I've shared some of the slides.
• 25:46
  And especially the sport that they happen to do, they're like,
• 25:50
  oh, I didn't realize that. That's really cool.
• 25:52
  So, yeah, I think having a variety really helps reach a broader mind as well.
• 25:59
  Any other comments on particular sports that you would like to have seen or
• 26:02
  haven't been mentioned i mean rugby
• 26:05
  yeah i agree rugby wasn't there at all i don't think
• 26:08
  i i was lucky to go to another conference in birmingham
• 26:11
  the month before and they had loads of rugby in that one
• 26:14
  so maybe they all got like exhausted the month before
• 26:17
  but yeah obviously martial arts like even some
• 26:20
  winter sports would be nice to see you never
• 26:23
  see anything about the winter sports um you know
• 26:25
  skiing skating stuff like that like
• 26:28
  something a bit more obscure even like just
• 26:31
  that you wouldn't have naturally thought of would be would be
• 26:34
  wonderful to hear someone's experience in that and it might inspire someone
• 26:38
  who especially a student or
• 26:40
  something who's thinking of where they're going to go they don't always jump into
• 26:43
  the big sports or you know the top tier of football
• 26:46
  or rugby you know they might end up in a bit of a slightly odd sport or like
• 26:51
  I'm just throwing things out there but like a volleyball or something badminton
• 26:55
  which isn't necessarily as popular but that's sometimes the entry level that
• 26:58
  people have to go through and and usually end up loving to be fair so yeah it
• 27:03
  would be nice to see a variety and open horizons a little bit I think.
• 27:07
  Good idea. Well, what are you thinking of ways to develop it?
• 27:09
  I can't wait until the management listen to this.
• 27:12
  We will have a chat with them in about three or four weeks with Molly and Vern
• 27:15
  and Charlotte again, and they will appreciate all of this feedback.
• 27:19
  Anybody, slight university challenge, anybody on the bottom row,
• 27:22
  showing my age now, Nicky or Steve, anybody in particular sports that you'd like to see mentioned?
• 27:27
  Or do you think it's the place where they should be focusing on sports or Emily or?
• 27:31
  I think one of the issues I had was trying to get around to the various talks,
• 27:38
  you know, the timing of them, clashing, networking, catching up with people,
• 27:44
  you know, that kind of thing.
• 27:45
  It's just, it really is, it seems that really full on is two days.
• 27:51
  I actually came away saying, we need a third day.
• 27:55
  Then again, there's a cost and there's time off work, all that kind of thing.
• 27:59
  But, so as I was thinking about this, maybe they could video the talk and give
• 28:08
  us access to those videos afterwards.
• 28:12
  Yeah. I mean, some of them did overlap, didn't they?
• 28:16
  Yeah. That's talked about. They were recorded as long as people were speaking
• 28:19
  into the mic and, yeah, but, yeah, videos, I don't think they're doing yet.
• 28:23
  So apparently you could buy them, buy the videos. And I actually did.
• 28:27
  I tried to buy them, although there's been some issues with that.
• 28:30
  So that was going to be something I was going to say, like, it'd be nice to name a,
• 28:34
  what you mean if you paid for your ticket you get the video as well
• 28:37
  yeah yeah because at the end of the day you
• 28:40
  could technically go to everything but time-wise you
• 28:43
  couldn't i i thought if there was the the
• 28:46
  hip impingement one i know that like i really
• 28:49
  wanted to get to and i turned up like 10 15
• 28:52
  minutes before and the queue was massive and they already said
• 28:55
  they were like it's going to be full like you can't like go in but
• 28:59
  i thought they scanned our barcodes and they
• 29:01
  said that the presentation would be sent to us what the
• 29:04
  slides you should yeah but i haven't got anything
• 29:07
  i didn't know whether there was just going to be like a delay of getting them
• 29:11
  but that was kind of them reassuring us that don't worry we're going to scan
• 29:14
  your your barcode and then you'll get sent the the slides but we were kind of
• 29:19
  like we were like oh yeah okay and then it wasn't so we reflected we were like
• 29:23
  wait how's that gonna work if they've scanned it.
• 29:28
  I'm not too sure yeah that happened last year
• 29:31
  and i was told at one of the talks if we scan you you'll get
• 29:34
  the slides and the recording and i was like oh
• 29:36
  great no problem and then i got in contact with them a couple of
• 29:39
  weeks later and i got nothing and they were like oh you don't have the package to add
• 29:43
  the videos on and i was like but they're telling people at the
• 29:46
  doors of these theaters you're getting this stuff
• 29:48
  sent to you and you're just not so like i mentioned to
• 29:51
  mad actually just at the the last presentation when we
• 29:54
  were rounding things up if we could book a seat in
• 29:57
  the talks that we were really looking forward to so say if they released the
• 30:00
  timetable a couple of weeks beforehand and you know everybody favorites
• 30:03
  the ones that they want to go to and creates their little timetable if
• 30:07
  they could look at that and then say okay right well 100 people want to go to
• 30:10
  this hip impeachment that's to go into the biggest theater or maybe we need
• 30:14
  to put it on on both days so we need to kind of duplicate the timetable for
• 30:18
  the really popular runs to happen twice so that there's actually enough time
• 30:21
  and enough spaces for people to see the content that they want to see.
• 30:25
  Because like that, the tickets are expensive enough on their own.
• 30:27
  An extra £20 then for recordings.
• 30:30
  And like that, it might just be one talk that you want the recording of.
• 30:33
  In my case this year, there was two talks I didn't get to see.
• 30:36
  And I was like, it's £20 for an hour.
• 30:39
  Of two different recordings of something I didn't see. And like that,
• 30:42
  there might've been issues with a microphone or you might not see what they're actually doing.
• 30:45
  So that could be another implication. And I'm pretty sure the first year I went,
• 30:49
  there was talk of the videos being included.
• 30:52
  But again, I didn't receive them and there was some sort of technical error.
• 30:54
  And then they started adding on the cost for the videos.
• 30:58
  And I was kind of like, sure, I should have gotten them for free last year.
• 31:01
  Why would I pay for them again?
• 31:03
  Yeah, okay. That's giving you something to ask them about. There's a little
• 31:06
  bit of chatter in the live lounge here. Gary says, some talks run over time creating problems.
• 31:11
  Therapy Expo can only provide audio recordings due to limitations.
• 31:14
  Presentations usually take several weeks to be made available.
• 31:17
  Okay, so yeah, it does take a while for them to get through to you.
• 31:20
  Nikki has said, I think something we've commented on, you can buy a premium
• 31:24
  ticket, which includes recordings, and you can buy an upgrade for £20 to get
• 31:27
  the recordings. That's what you were saying, wasn't it, Shannon?
• 31:28
  I overheard that when I was at the next year's ticket desk.
• 31:32
  Indre has said, just bringing this up on the screen,
• 31:35
  mean we can still purchase recordings for 20 pound i've done it last year and
• 31:38
  i can still access the te 2023 library no videos just
• 31:40
  voice and slides yes i've purchased them
• 31:43
  for my ticket for next year but i didn't realize it was just audio which
• 31:46
  is kind of again another implication because what
• 31:49
  if it's quite practical and they're demonstrating something so say matt for
• 31:52
  your talk for example on the gate analysis we wouldn't have been able to see
• 31:56
  how you were applying anything we would have just heard your voice over yeah
• 32:00
  yeah yeah it wouldn't be as interesting The only thing I've got going for me
• 32:05
  is the visual. If you just get the audio, it's terrible.
• 32:09
  I've actually got my slides because I've photographed them. What?
• 32:12
  I've got your slides because I've photographed them. God, I've been talking
• 32:14
  to you. I've been talking to you and I'm finding you.
• 32:17
  Right, yeah. So, yes. I mean, there's a few things there which we need to raise
• 32:21
  with them. I mean, first of all, let's do an order.
• 32:24
  I don't want to get all negative. We will shine on a few other people which really stood out.
• 32:28
  But the, yeah, not getting into the theatre, this was something that was picked
• 32:32
  up on last year. It was the main feedback.
• 32:34
  We've come all this way. We've paid our tickets. Really, we want to see so-and-so.
• 32:38
  We couldn't get in, you know, and that is really kind of quite devastating.
• 32:42
  In the past they have kind of tried to do booking it and ordering it ahead and
• 32:46
  getting a reservation or something like that never kind of worked.
• 32:49
  Is that something that's always going to happen at conferences or do you think
• 32:52
  you've got, I mean, one solution might be getting the video,
• 32:54
  like you say that at least you can sit down in your own time and watch the video,
• 32:56
  but I guess there's always going to be cues for certain people and,
• 33:00
  It's just who's there first, isn't it? It's tricky. We did it as a group.
• 33:05
  We ended up like tag teaming it in a way. If we knew that like a low,
• 33:09
  you know, we were left with that with five of us.
• 33:11
  So yeah, if we saw something was busy or there was like talks at the same time,
• 33:16
  we were kind of like, okay, yeah, maybe you guys go and see if you can get into that one.
• 33:20
  We'll see if we can get into this one. And then obviously feedback.
• 33:23
  That was sort of our plan of action when we realized how busy the kids were.
• 33:28
  Yeah, it is a problem. so mine is pretty much the same
• 33:30
  as emily so we go there we went there as a group so
• 33:33
  we kind of spread out and then cute in different talks but
• 33:37
  i think the other idea is besides just
• 33:40
  send the recording or purchase for the recording might
• 33:43
  be give the live videos for the people who cannot actually
• 33:46
  get in and you can just walk like you say or if
• 33:50
  you might have like some like additional extra space
• 33:53
  like i'm not sure they might have speed at
• 33:56
  the back the kind of unused a little bit and you
• 33:58
  can just pop the space there for like people who
• 34:01
  cannot get in or have additional exer theater for
• 34:05
  the people like for for the talk that is really really famous
• 34:08
  for like hips or knees or shoulder that people
• 34:11
  line up for 20 minutes prior the talks and then
• 34:14
  cannot get in for like sit on the sit
• 34:17
  on the additional theater and then you can watch the
• 34:20
  life that actually happens there and i
• 34:24
  think and also one thing that i think is kind of like a
• 34:27
  little bit frustrating is i feel like when you have to queue it
• 34:30
  up into the theater you actually cause congestion
• 34:33
  in the front of the boots and then that kind of is really hard to see you know
• 34:38
  if you want to see that what happened in that boots and then you also oh what
• 34:42
  happened here why in the line of the soul so maybe have a wee space or area
• 34:46
  for queuing into the theater not exactly right in front of kind of like the
• 34:51
  boochers in front of the talks or the theatres.
• 34:53
  Like make it more like the layout and organisation space. For me,
• 34:57
  a little bit confusing at the times.
• 34:59
  Yeah, it did seem this year the queues were just going in front of all the exhibitor
• 35:03
  stores rather than previously when they were kind of along the wall.
• 35:06
  I think this year the layout was worse than in previous years.
• 35:08
  Like I remember being there, I think the last two times I was there,
• 35:11
  there was kind of space outside the theatre to enter that wasn't blocking other exhibitors.
• 35:16
  And I think that works better. Whereas this year it was kind of,
• 35:19
  you know, teeter A, teeter B.
• 35:20
  And then there was like a, it was on a slightly different level for teeter C.
• 35:23
  And it was kind of awkward to navigate it for the first kind of maybe hour or
• 35:28
  two. And then you're like, right now I know where I'm going.
• 35:30
  Whereas in previous years, it was a little bit clearer. And there was some things
• 35:33
  kind of hanging from the roof to show you exactly where to go.
• 35:36
  And although there was some of that this year, I felt like it was slightly less
• 35:38
  than in previous years, if that makes sense. I don't know if anyone else would
• 35:41
  agree, but it was definitely a little bit harder to navigate.
• 35:45
  Yeah. I mean, I've got the worst sense of direction in the world. I get lost.
• 35:49
  Anyone who watches me next year will realise I'm spending most of the time trying
• 35:52
  to find my way back to the SDA theatre, just following carpet colours and ending up miles away.
• 35:56
  So it's always difficult for me, but it's interesting how other people have problems as well.
• 36:00
  Let's just go into a positive. Let's go to Natalie.
• 36:04
  What's shone out for you? What did you really enjoy this year?
• 36:07
  That's me, right? Yeah, that's you, Natalie.
• 36:10
  Yeah well i mean it was my first time coming so i
• 36:13
  think the thing that i enjoyed most was just feeling
• 36:16
  like i was part of like the bigger picture and getting to
• 36:19
  go and like be amongst talks that
• 36:23
  were relevant to what i do and like a
• 36:25
  lot of the more specific stuff like injury based i was kind
• 36:28
  of more interested in the kind of bigger picture stuff like this talks about pain
• 36:31
  in general yeah so the the
• 36:34
  biggest thing for me was being able to just feel like get
• 36:37
  excited about being part of something bigger and yeah
• 36:42
  feel validated as a as a massage therapist that
• 36:45
  like it's sort of like yeah that's really
• 36:47
  interesting because there is that aspect it's not just the talks we
• 36:50
  always say this it's not just going to see the talks that is obviously part of
• 36:53
  it but it's that being with other people and that that's
• 36:56
  that you're also kind of paying for that really although it sounds weird but
• 36:59
  you're paying for meeting other people and what you talk about outside
• 37:02
  the theater can be just as useful kind of as being in there so that's
• 37:05
  nice to hear especially it's your first time so did you feel did
• 37:09
  you go with anybody i can't remember did you go with anyone else a couple
• 37:12
  of massage therapists okay so you weren't totally by yourself
• 37:15
  because that's something we've talked about as well what it's like for the person
• 37:17
  who's totally solo yeah we all split up like and did different things and were
• 37:21
  interested in different things but yeah it's okay you felt looked after and
• 37:26
  not too alone there i mean yeah there was really wasn't really time to to feel
• 37:30
  lonely because there's just so much to do you're just kind of like you know
• 37:33
  let's go see this go see that and then.
• 37:36
  Do you remember any particular speakers who stood out for you this is
• 37:39
  your chance to make them feel happy it's going out to 2 000 people yeah
• 37:42
  i really like the talk by oh no i can't remember what the
• 37:45
  tristan tristan attenborough yeah
• 37:49
  you'll love that well done by chris chris norris and
• 37:51
  the flipping pain one those were all really like great
• 37:54
  and i think relevant for like what i do great and some
• 37:57
  of the marketing stuff was really good as well h mdg and
• 38:01
  katie bell katie bell was massive yeah there
• 38:04
  was some really good bits of advice that actually like i was like oh actually do
• 38:07
  you know what like i need to i need to do that and i've actually gone and
• 38:10
  like like put them into action i've started
• 38:12
  i've started trying google ads i've never done that before so we'll see
• 38:15
  what happens i was thinking of doing facebook but like
• 38:18
  watching the hmdg felt maybe be like okay yeah maybe
• 38:21
  google google it is and like filling in faqs on
• 38:24
  google and putting more pictures of like the space on
• 38:27
  the website and then there was a booth clutch like
• 38:30
  that where you could like sign up for a free like website
• 38:33
  audit like that's really useful advice with that as well
• 38:36
  like what what to do on the back end like identified some problems with that
• 38:40
  like i'm not going to use their services because i'm like too small for it but
• 38:43
  he was still like oh yeah no but you can you can do this so yeah there was loads
• 38:47
  of like really things that i was surprised that i actually have taken away and
• 38:52
  have been able to like put into action so that was really cool i wasn't expecting.
• 38:57
  Wow, we really have gone positive now.
• 38:59
  We went soared out there. Screw the theatres we couldn't get into.
• 39:02
  After listening to that, Natalie, we all feel totally refreshed.
• 39:05
  Thank you. The movement Born to Move one as well. That was really cool.
• 39:10
  And the one about hypermobility and the one about the SMA talking about regulating
• 39:14
  mass action as a bigger picture question.
• 39:17
  So there was just lots of really interesting points of discussion that made
• 39:20
  me feel like, ah, there's stuff going on in my industry and I want to be part
• 39:25
  of it and I want to know what's going on and,
• 39:27
  So, yeah, it's exciting in all sense. Excellent stuff. What about,
• 39:31
  so you mentioned as well, and so did Cherie, about the business side of things.
• 39:35
  Did anybody else feel that there was a good representation for how to run your
• 39:38
  business as opposed to sort of more techniques and stuff?
• 39:41
  Did anybody else go to any of them? Nikki, you're nodding. What did you go to and enjoy?
• 39:46
  What, me? Yeah. Yeah, both I'm Nikki. I wasn't going by anyone else.
• 39:51
  I'm using the traditional system of just calling your name out. Yeah.
• 39:55
  I didn't go to any business stuff but I
• 39:58
  feel very business saturated all
• 40:03
  covered for me but and also
• 40:06
  you know being more of a specialist of the lower limb we learned
• 40:09
  from hip down so if there's anything to do with concussion
• 40:12
  then that's off my list and so it's quite nice last year
• 40:16
  I remember loads of things overlapping and I had the whole fear
• 40:19
  of missing out saying all the time and I didn't enjoy that
• 40:22
  but this year I've had like circled more
• 40:25
  all of mine were a bit more spread out and and so
• 40:28
  it didn't go into I normally find one of
• 40:31
  these things that you pay for the day and there's one talk that
• 40:34
  really really shines out and I'm really you're paying for
• 40:36
  that talk the one that really makes you change and and
• 40:40
  although I didn't quite manage it this time because I didn't make the
• 40:42
  two days unfortunately my mum had breast cancer and
• 40:45
  so I was with her for the Thursday so but I
• 40:48
  did pay for the 20 minute 20 pound like talks for
• 40:52
  the Thursday well for both days so hopefully that
• 40:56
  helps but of course then as a private practitioner you're then taking time out
• 40:59
  for the second that you wouldn't have necessarily needed to do did you find
• 41:04
  your one talk then were you gonna say did you find your one talk which made
• 41:07
  it all worthwhile I didn't happen in the end I wanted to come to no no um I
• 41:12
  wanted to come for your talk on the Thursday because although I.
• 41:16
  See, well, I mean, it's running and I have my treadmill.
• 41:19
  So although I see quite chronic problems, I'm not really seeing the acute situations
• 41:25
  that much in our clinic. And I suppose because I've been NHS beforehand,
• 41:29
  we don't see the acute straight away.
• 41:31
  They normally go and see A&E and I disagree sometimes with what A&E is to just, but not my forte.
• 41:37
  And so I'm really interested in the adults. I've.
• 41:42
  At the moment, I'm the elderly and I'm staying strong. So that was covered a
• 41:47
  little bit with one of the talks, which was quite nice.
• 41:50
  I don't just see elderly people. I mean, I had a nine-year-old and it was, yeah.
• 41:56
  And, you know, when I look at all of these talks' titles, I'm imagining what I might learn from it.
• 42:01
  And I'm imagining what the sorts of things that they might tell me.
• 42:05
  And then they don't always get to the nitty-gritty.
• 42:08
  And I really like it for script talk. i like to have like a
• 42:11
  little like an actual like be clear don't just
• 42:14
  go yes well we give them some exercises you know i like to say
• 42:17
  well what what do you give them how many do you give them like how
• 42:20
  how quickly do you yeah i like
• 42:22
  to know exactly where i stand because then as
• 42:25
  then when you're treating your patients you can feel confident just
• 42:28
  saying the right thing you're not like sure exactly do you
• 42:32
  work in a clinic do you work with just
• 42:34
  podiatrists or you know kind of a multidisciplinary setup in Worcester
• 42:38
  is there a few different disciplines there or um I am
• 42:41
  my own clinic I am just me and and
• 42:44
  then I have a spare room where the physio rents off me so there's
• 42:47
  okay so you're sharing patients
• 42:50
  with the physio are you referring I think I crashed yeah there's
• 42:53
  two of us we so she
• 42:56
  yeah she refers to me I refer to her with two separate businesses
• 42:59
  two mums working together powering on um yeah
• 43:02
  but it's really nice and it means that then our patients know
• 43:05
  us as individuals yeah and although maybe as our
• 43:08
  kids grow up we'll we'll we'll expand and employ more people but at the moment
• 43:12
  we're we're just on our own but together in it so we came together to therapy
• 43:17
  expo and i think this time i spent more time talking to the exhibitors than
• 43:21
  i had in the past and and i had some really great conversations with.
• 43:26
  Well, I was talking to Chris Downton at CT Medical Sale, and he sells the ENS
• 43:32
  dollar-class shockwave machine.
• 43:34
  And I always feel that the Venn shockwave, they're always, they have their own stream.
• 43:41
  And I think it's really one-sided. And I don't know whether it's very clear
• 43:45
  to everyone who doesn't have shockwave how there are different shockwaves out
• 43:49
  there, and they're not necessarily comparable.
• 43:53
  And there are some that don't just maintain the strength of the shockwave the higher you turn it
• 43:58
  doesn't really do exactly what it what you were hoping so
• 44:02
  um so i was just having a good chat with yeah so exhibitors i want to open up
• 44:06
  i wanted to mention exhibitors so as a podiatrist then you found the exhibitors
• 44:10
  there were useful for your needs other people in the room were the exhibitors
• 44:15
  useful to look around or were you mostly in the theatres or in the theater or in the Yeah,
• 44:19
  in the theatre series. Oh, I was at all day. Yeah.
• 44:23
  Yeah, pretty much in the theatre. Who else was with the exhibitors?
• 44:28
  D3 was always my favourite exhibitor from a supplier's point of view for tapes
• 44:33
  and heat rubs and rehab boxes and all of the stuff that they do.
• 44:36
  And they've got a really nice message and a really nice group of people.
• 44:39
  So I always enjoy going to D3.
• 44:41
  But I think this year I spent less time going to exhibitors and more times in the theatres.
• 44:45
  And I didn't really have much time on my schedule when I kind of figured out
• 44:49
  what talks I wanted to go to.
• 44:50
  So I don't know whether it'd be nice to have, you know, an hour of a lunch break
• 44:53
  where there's no talks on that people can actually network and go to exhibitors
• 44:57
  and maybe grab some food. I think on the Thursday was nearly three o'clock by
• 45:00
  the time I grabbed a coffee because I was running around from talk to talk.
• 45:05
  So although I didn't have enough time for exhibitors, it might be nice,
• 45:08
  maybe the first hour of the day or the last hour of the day or somewhere in
• 45:10
  the middle to give some time for people to actually do a little bit more networking
• 45:15
  and not feel like they're missing out on a talk,
• 45:18
  Good point. Emily, did you and your posse check out the exhibitors much at all?
• 45:24
  Yeah, I actually found it quite overwhelming. I think that was the first time I'd been.
• 45:29
  And yeah, and as well, being quite new to like a lot of the equipment that was
• 45:33
  like, you know, used in sort of private settings and things.
• 45:36
  I didn't feel like I was in a very good position to generally compare things.
• 45:40
  I found it all quite overwhelming. so I
• 45:43
  think I shied away and spent a lot of my time in the in
• 45:46
  the theatres but I did get some feedback from Isla that I will just sort of
• 45:50
  read out and because yeah she is the business owner and she said that she liked
• 45:55
  going round because she enjoyed being aware of like what investment can be made
• 46:00
  into the clinics so sort of like softwares and equipment so she found that really helpful.
• 46:06
  And she also did say as well she likes to see what sort of new new bits of kit
• 46:11
  are coming on onto the market and
• 46:13
  then especially being able to see that practically so yeah I think that's,
• 46:17
  better for the people that like obviously have experience and
• 46:20
  things of all the different types of equipment because then
• 46:23
  you can compare and just on
• 46:26
  sort of like the business and marketing side of things
• 46:29
  she says as well it gives him more ideas
• 46:32
  because that's things that you don't really get taught at university and things
• 46:35
  so she said a lot of like website setups and social
• 46:38
  media information she found that really helpful and actually just being able
• 46:42
  to talk to people you know there and then just getting like tips right away
• 46:47
  and sometimes you know them showing her on on her phone and things of you know
• 46:51
  things that she can do she found that quite yeah like rewarding and useful.
• 46:58
  That's cool. And that's the clinic owner bringing three of her staff with her
• 47:02
  to kind of benefit from the whole thing. So, yeah. Yeah.
• 47:05
  Very cool. Yeah. Gary's just mentioned it.
• 47:08
  The idea of a lunch break, I think, came up just pretty much around lunchtime
• 47:13
  when we realized no one had lunch.
• 47:15
  But it would be beneficial for so many reasons, I think. I think just to have
• 47:18
  a break and reflect and think about what you've taken in,
• 47:22
  because if you don't get that break, we all know that it doesn't really sink in
• 47:25
  unless you stop talk about it discuss it
• 47:28
  with somebody you just go straight on to the next one and it just doesn't stay that just
• 47:30
  disappears so and also i like your idea gary's mentioned
• 47:33
  that or because because plans for next year always have already
• 47:36
  started for 2025 the advisory board will be pulled together and
• 47:39
  i think one thing that we're already talking about and making suggestions of
• 47:42
  as gary says is a lunch break from talks to benefit the exhibitors so
• 47:46
  at the end of the day the exhibitors pay for it kind of
• 47:49
  you know they're the ones who are paying absolute fortune to be
• 47:52
  there so it's it's important that
• 47:55
  they do make money out of it otherwise we don't have that or
• 47:58
  i say we therapy expo closer still media don't have the money to put
• 48:00
  on all the uh to take the theaters out and all that sort of
• 48:03
  stuff so and there's a few more comments here i'm just
• 48:06
  going to read from people who are in the house let's have a little look
• 48:09
  indra talks about getting lost great i appreciate that indra it's not just me
• 48:13
  enjoy bigs up anything in the hands-on hub yeah that was very cool bonnie's
• 48:18
  hyper mobility ones bonnie southgate was love to see her back she's gonna be
• 48:21
  on the show i think we're gonna do yeah she's definitely been in the show uh
• 48:24
  james earl was great to be on the show again soon,
• 48:27
  paul coker emma hayes um nikki says i never got round the exhibitors so many talks to.
• 48:33
  Geek out at yes it's interesting with the exhibitors just see if there's some
• 48:39
  We didn't have Clare Minchel this time.
• 48:41
  There was no Clare Minchel this time, it's true. We didn't have Clare Minchel.
• 48:44
  No, there was a... Yeah, there was no Clare Minchel.
• 48:47
  And there was a few exhibitors who didn't go this year. And yeah,
• 48:49
  there's some discussions that have to be had.
• 48:50
  I think it's still just... The current Therapy Expo, although this was the 10th
• 48:55
  one, because COVID didn't happen, the current...
• 48:58
  Since covid it's been different management basically different organization same
• 49:02
  sort of people but different organized so they're still quite young in terms
• 49:05
  of sorting out seeing what works best and balancing the
• 49:08
  exhibitors and the speakers and everything so but yeah
• 49:11
  there was a few noticeable exceptions i noticed that the theaters seem to
• 49:14
  be some of them were just a bit empty some
• 49:17
  of them i've never seen it before some speakers reported back
• 49:20
  to me and said there are empty seats normally they're just full full
• 49:23
  so it's weird we've got some theaters where people can't
• 49:26
  get in we've got other theatres which are normally full and they're actually.
• 49:29
  With empty seats so i'm wondering i don't
• 49:32
  know how that happens i think it would be more interesting like
• 49:35
  say if there was like the app is obviously relatively new and
• 49:38
  we can all favorite what ones we like if they could
• 49:40
  maybe hold out to allocate time slots so
• 49:44
  say to either a is your biggest day then to either b then to
• 49:46
  either c and then if you've got talks that are going
• 49:49
  to be really really busy put them in the bigger theatres if you've
• 49:52
  got talks that less people are interested in put them in the smaller ones rather
• 49:54
  than having three theaters the exact same size and have
• 49:58
  some being empty and some with a waiting list of people to
• 50:00
  try getting in would it be more beneficial now obviously that
• 50:03
  requires people to have booked and then to actually
• 50:06
  open the email that said make sure you favorite your talks and
• 50:09
  all of that sort of stuff but it would be beneficial for the type
• 50:12
  a personalities like myself that like being organized that
• 50:15
  you could go on and reserve a seat so that
• 50:18
  when you get into the queue you can say well look i've gone on in advance
• 50:21
  three weeks ago or whatever it might be and I've booked to
• 50:24
  be in this talk because it's something I'm really interested in and maybe 20%
• 50:28
  or 30% of the seats for kind of people to come on the day don't book the whole
• 50:32
  thing out by people but like you know have maybe 50-60% of seats that are available
• 50:38
  to book online prior to the event and then the rest are kind of walk-ins to the the talk so that you.
• 50:45
  Kind of the expo chance to look and go okay well everybody wants
• 50:48
  to go to math talk everybody wants to go to Bilal's on
• 50:52
  ACLs everybody wants to go to Steph the Act everybody wants to
• 50:54
  go to Anna Maria so why don't we put those in the bigger
• 50:57
  theatres and then if there is something a little bit more niche like
• 51:00
  say for example the netball or like I was quite shocked with Bonnie's because
• 51:03
  Bonnie did one talk in the ST school and
• 51:06
  it was jam-packed there was people sitting on the floor there was people standing everywhere
• 51:09
  and she went straight from that talk into theatre B or
• 51:12
  theatre C and there was maybe 20 people there now it was the last talk of the
• 51:16
  day so we know people go home but I actually ran five minutes early from her
• 51:20
  talk at the ST school to queue up in the other theater because I was like if
• 51:23
  there's this many people here we're not all gonna fit into that theater so I
• 51:26
  left early and then I went in I was sitting down where has everybody gone.
• 51:31
  And the second talk was actually even more interesting than
• 51:34
  the first talk so I was like how did people decide to go to one
• 51:37
  and not the other and I don't know if she just caught people's attention as
• 51:40
  they were leaving but if there was a bit of an
• 51:43
  interest kind of thing that you could flag what ones and then they set the schedule
• 51:46
  to say okay rather than having these two really big talks at the same time we're
• 51:50
  going to separate them because everybody wants to go yeah that's some great
• 51:54
  suggestions there i wouldn't want their job behind to organize it if things
• 51:57
  clashing and it's very tricky isn't it it's very tricky but they still need
• 52:01
  to play around with a few things,
• 52:03
  definitely i mean had the open air theaters those people have been
• 52:06
  before did the open air kind of theatre thing they're taking the
• 52:09
  black screens down did that make any difference to the sound or anything
• 52:12
  or what did you find was it not so much
• 52:14
  the sound but I think the problem with those open style theatres for me is like
• 52:20
  if you are at the back you can't see like you know great if you manage to get
• 52:26
  to the front I was thinking actually whilst you guys were talking like it'd
• 52:29
  be really nice and I appreciate this is cost but like to have a big screen that.
• 52:35
  So when you're doing the demo for example I don't know I'm just using the gate
• 52:38
  analysis because it's to mind but you could even have a screen so it zooms on
• 52:42
  what you're seeing from the front so
• 52:44
  at the back can actually see it i think that'd be
• 52:47
  really great and then you could put that in the bigger theater as well
• 52:50
  because you couldn't put a demo thing in the theater because no one
• 52:52
  would be able to see it but if you had a because they have a
• 52:55
  massive projector like why not like have a
• 52:58
  camera and then the projection is actually good idea
• 53:01
  what's actually demoing would be great and then you'd fit
• 53:04
  more people into those really popular because i think the
• 53:06
  demo ones tend to be really popular as well people want
• 53:09
  to know what can they physically do yeah yeah and
• 53:13
  i think if you could have a camera on it that'd be great yeah it's good thinking
• 53:17
  yeah how about how about announcing when the talks are going to start you know
• 53:22
  five minutes to such a talk and such a theater or st school or whatever yeah
• 53:28
  because you get you're getting grossed in talking networking.
• 53:33
  Yeah it's tricky with sound isn't it i mean i thought i personally thought
• 53:35
  the app was quite good i think if you put an app into your favorites and a
• 53:38
  little reminder came up and said this is starting soon or
• 53:41
  something but again that's not gonna be everyone's cup of tea i was
• 53:44
  trying i didn't look like it people had told me but i was physically
• 53:47
  trying all day not to get my phone out my pocket as much as i normally do when
• 53:50
  i was it's because i was checking what's coming up and where am i supposed to
• 53:53
  be and blah blah blah but i did find that a lot of people are in that position
• 53:57
  now where they are trying to keep their phone away i'm not sure if an app is
• 53:59
  the best thing now i just got the impression maybe i was biased that and thankfully people are trying to
• 54:05
  use their phone less you know i don't know is am i
• 54:08
  by myself or were you guys sort of feeling that as well
• 54:10
  i don't want to be on my phone tweeting it once upon a while i would have been tweeting
• 54:13
  everything and now on and now on and now i think you know stick it
• 54:16
  away just watch what's happening in front of me man i
• 54:19
  think yeah absolutely and just enjoy what's happening and try and
• 54:22
  take it in i think the phones could be a distraction i did kind
• 54:25
  of favorite mine and i was getting the reminders and although they were useful half
• 54:29
  of the day i felt like my phone was vibrating in my pocket and i was like i
• 54:31
  know where i'm going i'd rather have the schedule in my hand in
• 54:34
  front of me and thread through it yeah i think
• 54:37
  so so i'm not sure how yeah whether the app is
• 54:40
  yeah as useful for that reason okay look gang
• 54:43
  we're actually oh we're running out of time we've gone a bit longer if that's
• 54:46
  okay with you if you need to disappear we'll go for another five minutes or
• 54:49
  so just because i want to hear if there's anything else you want to add we've
• 54:52
  gone over a few topics did anybody else have anything else they wanted to share
• 54:56
  in terms of good bad we've already talked about quite a lot of changes over
• 55:00
  to you guys what have you got.
• 55:02
  I really like the lymphedina drainage stuff.
• 55:05
  Hands-on it was a lymphedema hands-on
• 55:08
  hard Jane Week and that was fascinating that was
• 55:11
  yeah so exciting yes and she was saying that
• 55:14
  they now have just this year been able to inject some
• 55:17
  sort of dye and then they can see well and fizz and
• 55:20
  how they drain it and how they massive massage and yeah
• 55:24
  I thought that was really cool to see like you know only
• 55:26
  this year have we found out there and um yeah that
• 55:29
  was really really cool we had a good episode with Jane Jane's on
• 55:32
  the podcast and there's an episode with jane talking all about
• 55:35
  that i think about 20 ago and we'll get her back on it was very exciting
• 55:38
  because again someone like me who's been
• 55:41
  going on about evidence informed and you're not really improving circulation and
• 55:44
  now they've actually got some dye which shows how it is actually moving
• 55:47
  around with certain techniques it's like for people with compromised systems
• 55:51
  then it's um yeah it's it's nice to see it's good yeah it's
• 55:55
  like if you know what the ratio of different types of professions are like because
• 55:59
  i guess you know there'll be data about it like do you know how many it's a
• 56:03
  great question gary you listen to this i'm sure gary will come up with it now
• 56:06
  gary's in founder of the stas there he's been dropping bits and bombshells in
• 56:09
  there it's a cool one it was something which because it's sold as.
• 56:13
  Multidisciplinary it depends what lens you look through isn't it i i thought
• 56:17
  it was quite physio based this year but that's maybe because i was looking out
• 56:20
  for physio kind of stuff i think a lot of the stands seem to be physio centric
• 56:23
  but then again you can't i can't complain that much because when therapy expert
• 56:28
  first started, it was all massage based,
• 56:31
  but it was all kind of guns and cups and all sorts of kind of like...
• 56:35
  The attendees, do you know like what?
• 56:37
  I reckon we could find that out. Come on, Gary, let me down,
• 56:39
  man. It's got 10 seconds already.
• 56:41
  Yeah, it'd be interesting. They will have that information who represents what.
• 56:44
  We know there's at least one podiatrist there so far. I can tell you that.
• 56:47
  He's down here in the corner.
• 56:49
  But it's interesting. I mean, did you, what was your impression?
• 56:52
  Do you feel that it was multi-disciplinary or do you feel it
• 56:55
  was kind of overburdened with one particular professional or
• 56:58
  I thought it was better this year than last year
• 57:01
  last year I felt like every stand was like shockwave
• 57:05
  it was really really heavy of
• 57:07
  the corporate side of things and this year
• 57:10
  I felt like that that was there you
• 57:14
  still had the big big boys and stands but I did
• 57:17
  I did feel that it was a lot more smaller stuff a lot
• 57:19
  more niche like I'm really big into sports science
• 57:23
  and I'm bits and pieces for that so yeah I really liked being able to see like
• 57:27
  new tech and innovation like for me like even new gadgets and things I might
• 57:32
  not ever use them but I quite like seeing what's going to be like the new sexy
• 57:36
  topic for the future and and stuff like that I think that's really really helpful for me.
• 57:42
  Yeah that was nice gary palmer i know you trained with
• 57:45
  me up there he had loads of little gadgets didn't he oh he's so
• 57:48
  cool he's cool he's a good
• 57:51
  dude we like gary yeah anti-gravity treadmill as well yeah i want to highlight
• 57:58
  one point sorry sorry sorry first okay so i just want to highlight One thing
• 58:06
  that I liked about the Expo, like the concept,
• 58:09
  so I find like the talks,
• 58:11
  I mentioned all the talks that I love, like ATL, shoulder injuries.
• 58:16
  TikTok efficiencies, flipping pain is a really nice one as well.
• 58:20
  But I think one thing that I got delivered from the speaker is we look at the patients as a human.
• 58:28
  So basically there's many talks that try to engage not just physio-wise,
• 58:33
  physiology things pathologies but we're looking
• 58:36
  more like nutrition there's also
• 58:39
  one wonderful talk from i think steven's about
• 58:42
  sleepings like how could you help patients sleep
• 58:45
  better which is really good and also
• 58:48
  i went to the the talks from tim about
• 58:50
  shoulder injury he also like how you know work with
• 58:53
  you know agency coach you know dietitians nutritionists
• 58:58
  and also ankle injury in netball and
• 59:01
  i think it's a tim stevenson and thomas he also
• 59:04
  talked about you know he gave a he gave example
• 59:07
  of lovely case studies about the lady that got kind of like don't enough don't
• 59:12
  have enough sleep what the food they eat vitamin d how about the sons so kind
• 59:17
  of like this talk this year helped me to you know have a bigger picture of one
• 59:23
  people we don't look them as a you know,
• 59:25
  clients or just a patient, but we need to go like around the.
• 59:30
  Or any like i would say factor that
• 59:33
  could be involved in one patient so we might not just look as
• 59:36
  a physio perspective or therapist perspective that why
• 59:39
  you not get better why you not get better do you do the exercises do
• 59:43
  you do this that or whatever how about your life
• 59:46
  let's talk this is i i find this most of the speaker this year they try to point
• 59:52
  out this which is really good and i find this and i feel like him as a therapist
• 59:58
  not just a physio but every therapist that go there going to get something from
• 1:00:03
  this point and it's really helpful,
• 1:00:05
  for the treatment as well in the future that's cool
• 1:00:08
  good feedback if that was a message you got then i think that's quite good that's
• 1:00:11
  where healthcare supposed to be going and that's that's actually the idea of
• 1:00:14
  multidisciplinary because as soon as you look at the individual you realize
• 1:00:16
  that your profession and you personally might not be the best person for this
• 1:00:19
  this particular individual which is where the idea of us walking together working
• 1:00:23
  together and you might be better with that person or that person so patient-centered
• 1:00:26
  care sorry nikki you were going
• 1:00:27
  to say what are you going to say well on that note
• 1:00:30
  then i think it'll be really interesting to have more nutrition talks as well
• 1:00:34
  um but that would be another another idea um yeah last year so tricky last year
• 1:00:39
  we had at least two we had at least two nutritionists talking about microbiome
• 1:00:44
  we had talking about relationship we had disordered eating and all sorts of stuff yeah,
• 1:00:50
  it's funny isn't it it's so tricky um well i'll make yeah the microbiome one i think i went to.
• 1:00:56
  And the other thing i was going to say was the motix guy
• 1:00:59
  there was a motix um stan and one of the exhibitors
• 1:01:02
  and he's amazing because he's developed this
• 1:01:05
  way of record keeping where you you can have it open on
• 1:01:08
  your desk and then you can be treating the patients and it takes
• 1:01:11
  all of the notes for you in soap order
• 1:01:14
  and he's amazing yeah we're gonna have him on the show he was
• 1:01:16
  next to the sj theater yeah yeah he grabbed me he grabbed me and said mate come
• 1:01:21
  and we've got to talked to you an australian or new zealand guy i think it was
• 1:01:23
  yeah yeah he's he's going to come on the show that sounded very exciting very
• 1:01:26
  interesting i don't think he's australian he's from um london this guy and he's
• 1:01:31
  uh i think he's a seek he has one of these things on his head.
• 1:01:36
  I'll send you the information excellent yeah
• 1:01:39
  i know that's one of the best things for me of going to therapy experts i get to find
• 1:01:42
  new you know relevant people and be on the podcast to keep it all
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  fresh so fantastic anybody else want
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  to add something before we close up this is your chance to let celebrate particular
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  talk or reader or a speaker or something you're good okay well there we go people
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  just checking the people in the live lounge here uh gary says we get data on
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  professions registered in the sta theater i mean every talk,
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  that happened in the STA theatre that I was hosting. I did kind of,
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  well, not everyone, but I tried to start off seeing what professions were there.
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  And there was a nice mixture. And I love seeing that because for me,
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  patient-centred care is us all getting together.
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  And I love the fact we've got people here tonight. And it hasn't been that different, the feedback.
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  We've got physios, we've got podiatrists, we've got sports therapists,
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  sports master's therapists.
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  It's all kind of been singing from the same hymn sheet, which is what it kind
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  of should be if we really put the patient first.
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  So Gary says, I will get all the delicate data in due course.
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  We will say that probably in the podcast. We'll let people know in the follow-up.
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  Indra says, I think it was more multidisciplinary than last year.
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  Defo more hands on stuff. And it does depend who you were hanging about with.
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  As a soft tissue therapist, I normally feel intimidated by physios.
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  But see, Emily Sweet, you're so intimidating. But it was less of that this year, I think.
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  This is useful as well because, okay, people listen to the podcast, you can't see.
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  But we've got physios here and they're not as intimidating as the word kind
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  of encapsulates or kind of suggests.
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  They're actually just normal human beings most of them so that's
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  helpful as well because we do all suffer from imposter syndrome and whatever
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  professions we are we think the person up there whether it's a surgeon or something
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  is better than us or knows this and we don't know it and at
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  the end of the day we realize you can't know everything it's ridiculous just specialize in
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  what you know and you're good at and refer out patient out to other
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  people so that's good injury it's nice you've got
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  that sensation that you don't feel as threatened because that's that's a
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  that can be a wall to climb getting over that
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  particularly for soft tissue therapists gary benson says i wonder why
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  more membership bodies don't attend it's a great place to showcase how we support our
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  members this is true gary i'm sure we will talk about that further in
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  our own reflection it would be great maybe as well matt to add
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  in like i don't know a student prize and go to you know
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  universities that maybe have student physiotherapists or student sports therapists
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  because i actually mentioned to my they were second years last year their final
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  years this year and i missed one of their lectures last year when i came back
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  they were like why are you not here on tuesday i was like oh is that therapy
• 1:04:00
  excellent they were asking what it was and i actually bumped into three of my
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  final year students at Therapy Expo this year,
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  which is quite nice to see that they actually listened to me when I saw them.
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  But it was quite nice to see them because they're,
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  output of or their aim of going to Therapy Expo was
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  to chat to some exhibitors and go to some talks to try
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  and come up with their dissertation topics for their
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  thesis and look at the research that's coming out and
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  what the new hot topics is and all of that sort of stuff which is really really
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  beneficial so I think I'm going to try bringing them on a school trip next year
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  and bring a group of them over which
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  would be really really nice but I was wondering while we were there how
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  many student therapists are actually there whether it be physiotherapists or
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  sports therapists because I didn't I don't know maybe they were there and we
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  just don't notice but I feel like it would be really beneficial for them to
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  be a part of this kind of multidisciplinary approach rather than feeling like
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  a new grad that's just out in the wild if that makes sense like our Emily.
• 1:04:53
  Recently graduated aren't you Emily yeah no I've
• 1:04:56
  been I've been graduating now for three years but it
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  was my first time yeah coming to therapy but you're
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  new at the Isla clinic we're working out now aren't you yeah yeah
• 1:05:06
  literally just my first week with her in the thing
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  yeah which is fine right then we need to
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  wrap this up people because i'm sure you've got better things to do gary says
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  there is a student rate i believe but we will ask
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  that to the organizers when we catch up in a few weeks time it makes
• 1:05:22
  perfect sense it wouldn't be too hard to do with it within a .ac.uk account
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  or whatever it is the equivalent in ireland but yeah that
• 1:05:27
  should be something we should think about definitely just to
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  make it more accessible right who's gone black on me
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  that is nikki has gone all screen black just you know nikki thank
• 1:05:36
  you people thank you so much it's really so nice to hear from different
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  professions but then realize it's all very similar as well
• 1:05:43
  which i think is how it's supposed to be i think that's the idea so thank
• 1:05:46
  you for giving up your time and thank everyone who joined us live if people
• 1:05:50
  are listening to the podcast and they want to follow you then let's just quickly
• 1:05:55
  go around the room once more and you tell me what the best way of people following
• 1:05:59
  you or getting contact with you is so natalie where's the best place to find
• 1:06:02
  you and follow you on social media?
• 1:06:04
  I'm on Instagram. I think it's Clinical Massage London.
• 1:06:08
  Yeah, Clinical Massage London. Or I have a website, which is .com in the end as well.
• 1:06:13
  Fantastic. Great. Thank you very much. And Shannon, people want to like the sound of you?
• 1:06:17
  Yes, I've got Instagram. So it's Rebound Injury Clinic. And again,
• 1:06:21
  we have our website, which is www.reboundinjuryclinic.ie because we're in Ireland.
• 1:06:26
  Fantastic. We will put all these all in the show notes as well.
• 1:06:29
  Danny, if people want to get in touch or follow you body health
• 1:06:33
  gatwick across the board across the
• 1:06:36
  board good business and steve people want to get
• 1:06:38
  in touch or follow you personally mobile muscle therapy
• 1:06:41
  is my business so that's on instagram and
• 1:06:44
  facebook and everything and i've just set
• 1:06:47
  up with a sports scientist and a bike technician which is this one fitlabtesting.co.uk
• 1:06:54
  and also fitlabtesting on insta fantastic brilliant we'll make sure those all
• 1:06:59
  go into the notes and then emily if people are interested in keeping in touch
• 1:07:02
  with you where should they go can you hear me really.
• 1:07:06
  Emily can't hear me, but I will say, if you're interested in staying in contact
• 1:07:09
  with Emily Sweet, then you can follow her at eSweetPhysio.
• 1:07:14
  I'm on Instagram. And you've also got ISLA, so IslaCellPhysio.co.uk.
• 1:07:21
  You okay, Emily? Can you hear me? No, she's not good.
• 1:07:23
  And is that, no, Sharia. Sharia, what about you?
• 1:07:26
  So I'm on Instagram at VPhysio, so V-E-E-Physio, and also in my clinic Instagram, NKPhysio.
• 1:07:35
  So in for november and k for
• 1:07:37
  kangaroo and physio share my insta handle oh
• 1:07:41
  who was that who did i'm on actually i'm in podiatry oh
• 1:07:44
  sorry you're a black square nikki sorry before we do
• 1:07:46
  that nikki really yeah yeah you're just a bit black square i
• 1:07:49
  didn't realize you're still here sherman podiatry sherman podiatry.
• 1:07:53
  For for nikki sherman on instagram and then
• 1:07:56
  you've also got facebook and linkedin wonderful next week
• 1:08:00
  people on tuesday december the 10th how
• 1:08:03
  is it december at the 10th already i don't know but we're going to be joined by
• 1:08:06
  christian bird and joe mcuhin who were the co-founders of
• 1:08:09
  menopause movement they actually opened up day one for us
• 1:08:12
  in the sta theater this year with power the
• 1:08:15
  pause the pelvic floor and more so it was an amazing great
• 1:08:19
  way to open it they were standing in because michelle lyons sadly
• 1:08:21
  from celebrate movie everything couldn't be on but michelle recommended
• 1:08:25
  christian and joe and they just filled the floor as well
• 1:08:27
  it's a great topic obviously which everyone needs to know about so they're
• 1:08:30
  going to be with me next week and if you are listening to
• 1:08:33
  this podcast you'd like to join us live to ask questions directly to
• 1:08:35
  christian bird and joe mckeown and all you've got to do is go to
• 1:08:38
  the sports association youtube channel or facebook eight
• 1:08:41
  o'clock and you can be in the live lounge and ask some questions
• 1:08:44
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• 1:08:47
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• 1:08:50
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