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Mariah Woods update: Investigators await autopsy report before filing more charges in toddler's death · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. The search
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Speaker 1: is still on tonight for three year old Mariah Woods.
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Speaker 1: The girl was last seen by her mother her home
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Speaker 1: and on his locality. The mother told me she last
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Speaker 1: saw her daughter in the home at around eleven pm
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Speaker 1: when she checked on her. This is my world. This
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Speaker 1: is my angel. She said her boyfriend saw the taller
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Speaker 1: around midnight when he got up, and she says he
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Speaker 1: told her to go back to bed. Remains believed to
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Speaker 1: be the little girl were discovered along the highway. Now
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Speaker 1: there's an arrest thirty two year old girl, Camry, Mariah's
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Speaker 1: mother's boyfriend. No one is charged with causing her death.
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Speaker 1: Henry's charges only include concealing a death an obstruction of justice.
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Speaker 1: More charges likely to follow and maybe others charged. We
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Speaker 1: are not ruling anything up. The body of a three
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Speaker 1: year old little girl has been found faced down at
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Speaker 1: the bottom of a creek twenty five miles away from
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Speaker 1: her home, and right now more questions than answers as
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Speaker 1: the family prepares for a funeral, a funeral to be
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Speaker 1: held in the next hours for this beautiful little girl.
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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace. This is crime stories and we want answers.
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Speaker 1: Joining me. Child advocate Ashley Wilcott, investigator, former Nashville p D.
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, Dr. Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologists, and Amanda
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Speaker 1: TAM's reporter for the Daily News of Jacksonville, North Carolina.
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Speaker 1: Starting with you, Amanda, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just curious as to what authorities mean
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Speaker 1: when they say they believe more charges are coming. Before
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Speaker 1: you answer that, Amanda, can you take it from the
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Speaker 1: beginning for people just joining us as the story of
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Speaker 1: Mariah Woods unfolds, Amanda, it all started when the mom
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Speaker 1: called one around six am. Yeah, absolutely, that's us, when
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Speaker 1: everybody was kind of alerted to the situation. She called
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Speaker 1: the sheriff's office around six am on Monday, November and
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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office went out there, and a few hours later,
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Speaker 1: the Amber alert went out and all of the reporters
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Speaker 1: locally called into the story and we started trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out where she was. And at the whole thing
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Speaker 1: kind of snowballed from there, with new leads coming out,
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Speaker 1: press conferences throughout the week, all of us kind of
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Speaker 1: chasing down where law enforcement was searching for Mariah. At
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Speaker 1: a huge search party that came out, we had, I
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Speaker 1: believe they had more than a thousand people show up
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Speaker 1: to try to search the woods to help them, were
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Speaker 1: only able to have about seven hundred volunteers just because
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Speaker 1: of the search area that they had already scheduled out
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Speaker 1: for people to go out in. And then everything came
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Speaker 1: to halt this weekend when on Friday night, late Earl Kimry,
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Speaker 1: the mother Mariah's mother's boyfriend was arrested in connection with
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Speaker 1: her disappearance and her her remains were found about twenty
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Speaker 1: five miles from her house in Pender County, and we
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Speaker 1: learned at a press conference that she had been found
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Speaker 1: on Saturday night, and since then we've all just been
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Speaker 1: waiting for a murder charge to come out to see
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Speaker 1: if that I'm waiting on that something because her body
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Speaker 1: is still with a medical examiner right now, and we
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Speaker 1: as we wait for the funeral for this little child
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Speaker 1: to start, the fact that the funeral is about to
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Speaker 1: happen in the next couple of hours means that the
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Speaker 1: body has been released from the medical examiner, which means, ergo,
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Speaker 1: they have a cause of death or they're stymied and
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Speaker 1: they can't get a cause of death. Um into Tim's
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Speaker 1: joining us from the Daily News of Jacksonville, North Carolina
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Speaker 1: to actually willcot the words that Amanda how she described
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Speaker 1: as true the way it all started spinning out. I'm
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Speaker 1: curious as to how they found the body, as she
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Speaker 1: will caught twenty five miles away and the fact that
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Speaker 1: they had to bring in the Fetteville, North Carolina dive
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Speaker 1: team tells me this was no shallow creek bed. This
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Speaker 1: child was thrown a too expanse of water deep enough
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Speaker 1: to hide her forever. But they found her one way
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Speaker 1: or another, by bloodhounds, by sent dogs, by aerial v
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Speaker 1: which I doubt, by a tip, which is more likely. Ashley,
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Speaker 1: what is the hold up after the explosive documents detailing
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Speaker 1: accusations that live in had been molesting the little girl
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Speaker 1: with mommy's knowledge. According to the documents, those are allegations.
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Speaker 1: What what? What are we waiting on? Ashley? You know
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Speaker 1: I have to say this, I don't. I'm certain law
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Speaker 1: enforcement is in the know of what the results of
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Speaker 1: the autopsy are and what information is out there about
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Speaker 1: what happened. I'm suspect that the issue is he's in jail.
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Speaker 1: He's got a million dollar bonds, so the kids not
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Speaker 1: getting out of jail in a good way, right, So
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Speaker 1: leave him there. In the meantime, it means that law
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Speaker 1: enforcement d A. Can be very deliberate to ensure that
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Speaker 1: they charged him with every single crime applies, and so
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Speaker 1: we're not looking only In my opinion, at potential murder charges.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure given the disclosure um that this man has
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Speaker 1: been sexually, abusing and torturing a three year old, there
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Speaker 1: are going to be many charges. So good for law
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Speaker 1: enforcement for being deliberate and the district attorney and everyone
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Speaker 1: else is likely involved to say, hey, what do we
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Speaker 1: need to charge him with. He's not going anywhere, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Thank god, he's in jail. He's not getting out of jail,
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Speaker 1: so let them take their time. Having said that, I
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Speaker 1: suspect we're going to get charges very soon. Let me
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Speaker 1: go to Vincent Hill, investigator, former Nashville p D. Vincent
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Speaker 1: I've got a question for you. Let's talk about what
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott just said that they're taking their time these allegations.
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, if you look at the child Protective Service
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Speaker 1: documents I believe were brought by the father who am
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Speaker 1: I've spoken with the many times Alex Woods. Now right now,
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Speaker 1: what cops could be doing her sibling are in protective
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Speaker 1: service custody. They could be interviewing the boys, the siblings
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Speaker 1: to find out if they knew of any molestation in
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Speaker 1: the home and if they can give any eyewitness account
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Speaker 1: and if they can that would be the grounds for
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Speaker 1: child molestation charge. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. I'm sure investigators are
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Speaker 1: interviewing those two siblings. I believe ages five and nine
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Speaker 1: are ten uh to find out exactly what happened in
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Speaker 1: that home. And as we said on our previous show
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Speaker 1: this past Monday, as I said, you know the fact
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Speaker 1: that little Mariah was dumped into a bed of water,
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Speaker 1: it always told me that there was possibly some attempt
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Speaker 1: to watch away any DNA evidence to cover up any
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Speaker 1: sexual molestation. And now there's that claim, that allegation, So
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Speaker 1: I think the puzzles put together what happened inside that home.
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Speaker 1: And to Ashley's point, he's not going anywhere, so investigators
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Speaker 1: can take their time be very meticulous, so when they
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Speaker 1: charge him, it definitely sticks want to go to Dr
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, author and host of Investigation
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Speaker 1: Discoveries Fatal Vows. Dr Russell, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I always try not to put children on the stand
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Speaker 1: if I don't have to. But in this case, if
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Speaker 1: the state wants to prove these one station charges against
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Speaker 1: the live in earl Kimry, her body may not yield
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Speaker 1: any DNA evidence such as sparm or saliva. It's been
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Speaker 1: in a river bank that will leave us with eyewitness testimony,
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Speaker 1: possible outcry made at the time, maybe she told somebody,
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Speaker 1: Probably not. So how do you go about talking to
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Speaker 1: these two little boys? Remember old chimery behind bars right
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Speaker 1: now on a million dollar bond. I'm gonna go back
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Speaker 1: to ask you on that about how he could possibly
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Speaker 1: make bond. But Dr Brian, First of all, how do
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Speaker 1: you unlock the secrets these two sibling brothers may know
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Speaker 1: about what happened to Maria. Remember they were there that night.
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Speaker 1: They may be witness to a lot more than molestation. Well, yes,
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Speaker 1: I shuddered to think what those kids probably saw in
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Speaker 1: that house, because I can't imagine that what happened to
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Speaker 1: little Mariah is the first horrific thing that occurred in
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Speaker 1: that house. Having said that, I think there's kind of
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Speaker 1: a uh presumption that many people make that taking a
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Speaker 1: child into a police interview or into court and having
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Speaker 1: them talk about horrific things like that has got to
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Speaker 1: be traumatic and and additionally damaging to the child. And
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Speaker 1: I think I can understand why people think that and that,
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Speaker 1: and it's there's merit to that, But I also think
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Speaker 1: that there is some case by case basis that that
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Speaker 1: has to be has to be taken into account, because
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Speaker 1: I think there are cases in which it has actually
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Speaker 1: been quite helpful to people, even quite young people, to
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Speaker 1: be part of the justice, to be art of seeing
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Speaker 1: that the world does care about horrific things happening to
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Speaker 1: children and does want to do something to the perpetrator
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Speaker 1: and to make it right. So I wouldn't necessarily say
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Speaker 1: for sure that it would be detrimental to the kids
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Speaker 1: to have to talk to the cops and potentially even
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Speaker 1: testifying court. But like you, my preference would certainly be
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Speaker 1: that we don't have to risk it because there's just
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Speaker 1: such overwhelming evidence, or we ultimately get a guilty plea
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Speaker 1: or something like that. Well, I can tell you this,
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, I agree and disagree. I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 1: I was a witness in a murder file when my
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Speaker 1: fiance was martyred, and I still remember it to this day.
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Speaker 1: It's one of the few things. It's a blur. I
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Speaker 1: can't remember a whole lot during that time, but I
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Speaker 1: do remember taking the stand, and what happened to me
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Speaker 1: course of my life. So when you're a child, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it I don't think it would be
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Speaker 1: a good thing for you to have that memory in
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Speaker 1: trial and had to detail her molestation in front of
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Speaker 1: I'm glad I testified. And I know a lot of
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Speaker 1: crime victims, and these boys are victims if they lived
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Speaker 1: So as the years roll on, Ashley willcotch your the
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Speaker 1: know you did the right thing. You didn't sit back
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Speaker 1: in and did what you could do for Mariah, your sister.
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Speaker 1: So in that way it could be good for them. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course there's new. We'll not really new. Uh, there
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Speaker 1: is Supreme Court law that they could testify in a
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Speaker 1: different room and not have to see the jury, and
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Speaker 1: the jury would see them in real time on video.
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Speaker 1: I doubt that would happen. Actually, what about the possibility
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Speaker 1: of other suspects in this particular case, Let's talk specifically
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Speaker 1: about mother and um she knew. She had to have known.
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Speaker 1: There's no possible way in the small home in which
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Speaker 1: they lived, with all of the circumstances we've now learned
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Speaker 1: about with the child, with the disclosures by someone in
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Speaker 1: the home that this mother did not know. So I
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Speaker 1: think she too is a suspect, and I would have
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Speaker 1: to submit that I think law enforcement must be pretty
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Speaker 1: competent as to her current whereabouts, because I think, again
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Speaker 1: they're being liberate and taking their time to do this right,
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Speaker 1: which they've done since the beginning of this case, to
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Speaker 1: ensure that they know exactly what happened so they can
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Speaker 1: They keep saying that they're waiting to name other suspects potentially.
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Speaker 1: What's going on with the investigation. What do people expect
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Speaker 1: to Where is Mom during all this? I think yesterday
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Speaker 1: Mom was with Alex Wood's, the father. They were at
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Speaker 1: the funeral home planning Mariah's funeral. Most of the services
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Speaker 1: are kept private, but they do have the one public
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Speaker 1: visitation this evening. And besides that, the only in the
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Speaker 1: place that we have actually spotted her was when she
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Speaker 1: was escorted by a deputy back to the trailer and
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Speaker 1: this that's when they were taking the crime scene tape
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Speaker 1: down We had a reporter out there at the scene,
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Speaker 1: Mike mqugh and he went over to try to ask
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Speaker 1: her questions, but she declined to to speak with us. UM.
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Speaker 1: But besides that, I spoke with Sheriff Hans Miller yesterday.
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Speaker 1: He said that there there is a lot of information
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Speaker 1: that they're gathering right now, but they're not releasing it
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Speaker 1: at this time. I asked him if he felt that
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Speaker 1: there was there would be additional charges this week, like
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Speaker 1: potentially a murder charge in connection with her disappearance, and
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Speaker 1: he said at this time that it's too it's too
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Speaker 1: early for him to go into details with it, and
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Speaker 1: that UM, he wants to keep his investigator's eyes and
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Speaker 1: ears open for any possibilities to ask she Willcott, child
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Speaker 1: advocate and veteran lawyer Ashley, I thought about a lot
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Speaker 1: of permutations under which the mother could be charged. And again,
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Speaker 1: she's not a person of interest, She is not a suspect.
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Speaker 1: For all I know, she had no idea what was
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Speaker 1: allegedly going on in the home. But according to these documents, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: she didn't know it. Specifically says in one of the paragraphs,
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Speaker 1: the mom knew what was going on in the home.
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Speaker 1: I'm referring to the molestation. How would you or would
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Speaker 1: you pursue a felony murder charge against a mother if
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Speaker 1: she knew about molestation in the home. Well as as
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Speaker 1: we know so a murder charge a felony murder is
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Speaker 1: if the murder results of the commission of a felony,
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Speaker 1: and so in this particular case, the child molestation itself
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Speaker 1: and failure to protect could rise to the level of
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Speaker 1: a felony. So certainly I think there'd be sufficient evidence
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Speaker 1: to say it's a felony murder. The other thing I
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Speaker 1: have to add, Nancy, when you asked me about suspects. Listen,
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Speaker 1: I think we all can assume someone knew where the
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Speaker 1: body was dropped. Someone had to have known that, and
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Speaker 1: who was it? Was it the mother, was there, a friend,
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Speaker 1: was there? Somebody that you know, dad was the boyfriend
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Speaker 1: was buying his drugs from who knows who knew? But
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Speaker 1: someone had to have known where that body was, and
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Speaker 1: there had to have been a tip in order for
19:22
Speaker 1: law enforcement to actually locate that body, so that there
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Speaker 1: may be a whole host of suspects. If the mother
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Speaker 1: didn't know anything and wasn't aware of that, I suspect
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Speaker 1: that there was somebody else who knew who told law enforcements.
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Speaker 1: So I think we're looking potentially really at a bevy
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Speaker 1: of suspects. You know, you're right, and as long as
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Speaker 1: people are talking, and that means that information is flowing,
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Speaker 1: which is going to add to search warrants and affidavits
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Speaker 1: and probable cause. Actually, do you expect for murder charges
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Speaker 1: to be added this week? I do, And well this week,
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Speaker 1: I'm not certain on that piece, but I absolutely they're
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Speaker 1: going to result. And again and I have to reiterate
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Speaker 1: a million dollar bond. I am so proud of the
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Speaker 1: court that heard the evidence to say a million dollar bond,
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Speaker 1: because in effect, for most Americans, that means he's not
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Speaker 1: going to be able to get out of jail, because
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Speaker 1: that's a that's a huge bond amount. So I think
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Speaker 1: the reality is because he is in jail and we
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Speaker 1: know he cannot commit any additional alleged offenses against anyone
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Speaker 1: else during this time period, then they have the luxury
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Speaker 1: my word not there's the luxury of doing a super
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Speaker 1: thorough investigation before additional charges are pressed. But I think
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Speaker 1: eventually we're absolutely looking at murder charges. Amanda Tim's reporter
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Speaker 1: Daily Needs Jackson, North Carolina, he was Kimrie to live
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Speaker 1: in was also charged with larceny stealing something how or
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Speaker 1: does it relate to the murder. That's one thing that
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Speaker 1: we're all wondering right now. There he allegedly went down
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Speaker 1: the road to and abandon how and stole to dressers.
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Speaker 1: We don't know where those dressers are or what connection
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Speaker 1: it has, except that it was. The alleged larceny was
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Speaker 1: on the same night that Mariah disappeared. That's the only
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Speaker 1: connection we've been able to make so far. To Vincent Hill,
21:14
Speaker 1: investigator and former Nashville Police officer, Vincent, Let's talk a hypothetical.
21:20
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a hypothetical mom, not this mom. If
21:24
Speaker 1: a mom knows that child molestation is going on at
21:27
Speaker 1: home and then a child dies, in my mind, that
21:31
Speaker 1: sets them up for a felony murder charge. A death
21:34
Speaker 1: occurs during the commission of a felony What about this
21:38
Speaker 1: theory I'm thinking about charging alternative, Vincent, If drugs were
21:43
Speaker 1: being used in the home and the death occurs, would
21:46
Speaker 1: that qualify under the law for a felony murder, especially
21:52
Speaker 1: if the purp was using drugs at the time the
21:55
Speaker 1: child dies. Yeah, Nancy, I would say it definitely would.
21:58
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, on North Carolina, it's you know,
22:01
Speaker 1: legal not to report child abuse, so the mother didn't know,
22:04
Speaker 1: then absolutely use that fault. But of course, if there
22:07
Speaker 1: was drug use in the home and you're putting that
22:09
Speaker 1: child in danger, that's aggravated child endangerment. And if something
22:13
Speaker 1: occurred during the use of those drugs that led to
22:16
Speaker 1: the Tolps death, and absolutely I think you definitely have
22:18
Speaker 1: a feelingly murder case here. I do want to touch
22:21
Speaker 1: on something that we just discussed about, the largny charge. Now,
22:25
Speaker 1: a lot of times what investigators will do, because I've
22:27
Speaker 1: done it myself, if I don't have enough evidence to
22:30
Speaker 1: present to district attorney to get a certain charge, I
22:34
Speaker 1: can charge that suspect with what I know will stick
22:37
Speaker 1: to make sure he stays behind bars. And given his
22:40
Speaker 1: criminal history from the past, he has other largeity charges
22:43
Speaker 1: and a few other charges, you know, investigators probably wanted
22:47
Speaker 1: to make these charges. Uh present these charges so that
22:50
Speaker 1: they can at least hold them until they can build
22:53
Speaker 1: that solid case for what we know it will eventually come.
22:56
Speaker 1: The murder case for Mariah Woods. You know, to to
23:00
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist, host of investigation Discoveries Fatal Vows.
23:06
Speaker 1: Dr Russell, I want to talk about the possibility the
23:09
Speaker 1: mom in this case is going to be charged right now. Again,
23:15
Speaker 1: let me give this disclaimer. She is not a person
23:17
Speaker 1: of interest. She has not been named a suspect. We're
23:20
Speaker 1: going on the facts that we know that we have
23:22
Speaker 1: learned from child protective services, formal documents and court documents.
23:29
Speaker 1: When a mom knows a hypothetical mom knows that crimes
23:34
Speaker 1: are being committed in the home, and then a child
23:37
Speaker 1: turns up dead, that's devastating. Brian. I think most people
23:42
Speaker 1: listening to us who have children can't imagine, can even
23:47
Speaker 1: conceive of knowing that their children were being abused physically, sexually, emotionally, whatever,
23:54
Speaker 1: and and standing by and enabling it, doing nothing to
23:58
Speaker 1: protect those children. But unfortunately, I have to tell you
24:02
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. And I'm gonna show you
24:06
Speaker 1: here what a what a bad example. I am of
24:09
Speaker 1: a Christian because I I hope there is a special
24:12
Speaker 1: place in hell for parents who stand by and because
24:16
Speaker 1: they're interested in their own maintaining their own relationships, their
24:20
Speaker 1: own romantic life, sex life, whatever, they stand by and
24:23
Speaker 1: let their children be victimized. Having said that, I don't
24:27
Speaker 1: think there is a good enough special place in jail
24:31
Speaker 1: oftentimes for those people, because you charge them with something
24:34
Speaker 1: like even if it's aggravated child and dangerment, a lot
24:37
Speaker 1: of times, uh, that's not the kind of if it's
24:40
Speaker 1: a felony at all, it's not the kind of felony
24:42
Speaker 1: that can can precipitate a felony murder charge. So I'm
24:46
Speaker 1: hoping that at the very least, uh, in this case,
24:49
Speaker 1: if it turns out that this mother knew and and
24:52
Speaker 1: my if I had to bet, I would bet that
24:55
Speaker 1: the answer to that is yes. I can't imagine that
24:58
Speaker 1: horrific abuse was going on under that tiny roof without
25:01
Speaker 1: her knowledge. That there's at least some kind of an
25:03
Speaker 1: obstruction felony that can be charged, uh, you know, having
25:07
Speaker 1: to do with the way that she, uh, you know,
25:10
Speaker 1: appeared presented herself as not knowing anything about what might
25:14
Speaker 1: have happened to Maria during the initial stages of the investigation.
25:18
Speaker 1: Because at least that kind of a conviction would keep
25:22
Speaker 1: her out of the lives of those other kids until
25:25
Speaker 1: their adults. You know, I want to go to Amanda
25:29
Speaker 1: Tim's reporter with the Daily Knees of Jackson, North Carolina.
25:32
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of research on where her
25:35
Speaker 1: body was found. The I think it was Holly Shelter
25:38
Speaker 1: Creek where Mariah's body was found. You know, just recently,
25:43
Speaker 1: the North Carolina government, the n c w RC, was
25:48
Speaker 1: seeking input on alligator an alligator management plan. I don't
25:55
Speaker 1: know if you're familiar with that, but that just went
25:57
Speaker 1: down because alligators had attacked UH pets around Lake Wakama
26:02
Speaker 1: State Park, and I'm wondering about the lake itself. It's
26:09
Speaker 1: Holly Shelter Lake, and it's easy enough to do. You
26:13
Speaker 1: go online and you see all sorts of images of
26:17
Speaker 1: Holly Shelter Lake, excuse me, Holly Shelter Creek, and it
26:21
Speaker 1: looks straight out of one of those movies where you
26:25
Speaker 1: would expect to see alligators because some of the shots
26:30
Speaker 1: are aligned with tall trees, UH swampy areas. There's trees
26:36
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the water. I'm just wondering,
26:41
Speaker 1: based on what I know about the area and about
26:44
Speaker 1: it was just this summer that n c w r
26:48
Speaker 1: C was asking people for input on an alligator plan.
26:53
Speaker 1: Was the intent to have this child's body totally disposed of,
27:00
Speaker 1: with the body going down to the bottom of the
27:02
Speaker 1: river and an alligator getting it. I mean, what can
27:05
Speaker 1: you tell me, if anything, Amanda about the alligator plan
27:10
Speaker 1: or alligators in that area. We'll definitely have alligators in
27:15
Speaker 1: the area. We've had multiple fighting spightings of them around
27:19
Speaker 1: the area since I started at Daily News a couple
27:21
Speaker 1: of years ago, including some walking past the Hollyridge Police Station.
27:26
Speaker 1: We've had one that was a very small one that
27:29
Speaker 1: was sitting outside Jacksonville City Hall. And we've had multiple
27:32
Speaker 1: sightings since Nee's ferry as well. So I can't speak
27:34
Speaker 1: to whether that was the intention of having her body
27:38
Speaker 1: in the creek, but I can say that we definitely
27:39
Speaker 1: have alligators here. Well. You know, I can't tell you
27:42
Speaker 1: how many times. Dr Brian Russell, you're the host of
27:45
Speaker 1: Fatal Vows. I don't know if you read my last book,
27:50
Speaker 1: but I was inspired by a threat I put on
27:52
Speaker 1: my husband all the time, and I'm got stuff as
27:54
Speaker 1: pockets full of hot dogs to take it for a
27:56
Speaker 1: tour of Okay Finocchi, which is teeming with ali waters.
28:01
Speaker 1: And in my last book, somebody actually did die being
28:03
Speaker 1: pushed into a gator at a gator farm, pushed into
28:06
Speaker 1: the water. And I've actually had cases Brian where victims
28:15
Speaker 1: postmortem have been disposed of and swamps with the hope
28:22
Speaker 1: that an alligator would destroy the evidence. Yeah, I actually
28:29
Speaker 1: uh talked to some TV people in the past year
28:34
Speaker 1: about potentially doing a show where we would test some
28:40
Speaker 1: of these kinds of things, kind of in a MythBusters
28:44
Speaker 1: type of a way about you know, what could that work?
28:48
Speaker 1: Could it work with an adult, Maybe it could work
28:50
Speaker 1: not with an adult, but with a child, and and
28:53
Speaker 1: all kinds of various theories and ways that people have
28:56
Speaker 1: come up with. It's crazy when you look at all
28:58
Speaker 1: of the different ways that people have come up with
29:01
Speaker 1: over human history to try to dispose of bodies. But
29:05
Speaker 1: it's just so it's just so again and just additionally
29:09
Speaker 1: disturbing to think about how a human being could look
29:14
Speaker 1: at another human being as such a disposable object as
29:22
Speaker 1: to be able to think about, well, maybe if I
29:25
Speaker 1: threw this body into some water where there were alligators,
29:29
Speaker 1: maybe I'll get lucky and it'll be eaten up by
29:32
Speaker 1: the alligators and then there won't be any evidence for
29:34
Speaker 1: anybody to come after me, and just just that thought
29:36
Speaker 1: process alone is probably inconceivable to those who are listening
29:42
Speaker 1: right now, who are just driving around in their car
29:44
Speaker 1: or sitting at home, going about their day at their office.
29:47
Speaker 1: And I want to tell all of you that that's
29:49
Speaker 1: a good thing. If you could relate to that kind
29:52
Speaker 1: of thinking, I would be concerned about you, you know.
29:55
Speaker 1: I got to Russell, I don't know how people like
29:58
Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, MIT's a hill. May you, Amanda and so
30:02
Speaker 1: many others we have here in our program do it.
30:06
Speaker 1: When I was prosecuting Dr Brian Russell, there were times
30:09
Speaker 1: when I left the courthouse I'd actually have to pull
30:11
Speaker 1: off the road and cry. And the only way I
30:15
Speaker 1: could get through a trial, you know, talking about the
30:20
Speaker 1: unspeakable cruelty people inflict on each other. I guess I
30:25
Speaker 1: learned to compartmentalize because in my mind I had to
30:29
Speaker 1: get through the trial. I couldn't dare let a jury
30:31
Speaker 1: see my eyes tear up, you know, because then I
30:34
Speaker 1: would be weak compared to the fleet of defense attorneys
30:37
Speaker 1: on the other side of the room. Uh. It's it's hard,
30:42
Speaker 1: But when you actually think about it, Dr Russell, as
30:45
Speaker 1: you were saying, about this little three year old girl,
30:47
Speaker 1: and I will forever remember her and her peak outfits
30:51
Speaker 1: with her tiara and her big one. She looked like
30:53
Speaker 1: she had an actual bow you put on a gift,
30:56
Speaker 1: like a big pink gift bow, the kind with all
30:59
Speaker 1: the curly ends coming out stuck on her head. It's
31:03
Speaker 1: just so beautiful and precious and innocent. And to think
31:11
Speaker 1: that someone could throw her and gay her infested waters,
31:16
Speaker 1: it's just really more when you think about the reality
31:20
Speaker 1: of what has happened to this child. I don't know
31:23
Speaker 1: why people don't revolt and march on the courthouse demanding
31:27
Speaker 1: justice because I can hardly talk about it. But I
31:31
Speaker 1: feel it's my duty because that's the only way we're
31:34
Speaker 1: going to get justice as if we confront what happened
31:37
Speaker 1: and hold. I've got to thank my partner. I have to.
31:42
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31:45
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32:17
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32:20
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32:24
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32:25
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32:29
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32:31
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34:02
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34:06
Speaker 1: Jackie here in the studio with me. You guys can
34:09
Speaker 1: remember my twins at age three. You both have children
34:13
Speaker 1: at age three. They are completely defenseless, completely defenseless. And
34:19
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Dr Brian Russell. You're
34:21
Speaker 1: not only a lawyer and a psychologist, a host on
34:24
Speaker 1: investigation Discovery of Fatal Vows, but Dr Russell I mean,
34:30
Speaker 1: my natural instinct is to take care of the twins.
34:35
Speaker 1: To think that someone knew or anyone knew this child
34:40
Speaker 1: was being molested. Now, you've got to take the allegations
34:44
Speaker 1: with a box of salt, because they're coming from a
34:47
Speaker 1: dad that desperately wanted custody. But these documents are formal
34:51
Speaker 1: child protective service documents. How could a mom or anybody
34:56
Speaker 1: for that matter, stand by and let that happen? Dr
34:59
Speaker 1: Brian him Well, I imagine if she ends up on
35:04
Speaker 1: trial for something, the defense will say, oh, you know,
35:08
Speaker 1: she was very frightened. She didn't know that the guy
35:12
Speaker 1: was capable of this kind of behavior till he was
35:14
Speaker 1: already under the roof and he had her constantly in
35:17
Speaker 1: fear for her own life. I don't buy that for
35:20
Speaker 1: a second. I think that most, uh, virtually every mother
35:25
Speaker 1: who had the instinct that you have and that normal
35:30
Speaker 1: mothers have to protect their kids above themselves, would have
35:35
Speaker 1: uh done what it took to get their kids to
35:38
Speaker 1: safety in that situation. And I think that it probably
35:43
Speaker 1: indicates what I see most of the time in situations
35:47
Speaker 1: like that, which is it's just if you think about it,
35:50
Speaker 1: it's the height of narcissism to think about putting my
35:54
Speaker 1: own relationship, my own romantic life, my own sex life,
35:58
Speaker 1: whatever needs this person is meeting for me ahead of
36:03
Speaker 1: my children. Let me just just quickly explain something to people.
36:06
Speaker 1: If you are a single parent and you are thinking
36:09
Speaker 1: about getting married again or bringing somebody else under your
36:13
Speaker 1: roof to be a partner with you, the chances of
36:16
Speaker 1: that working out are statistically awful. And we're not even
36:21
Speaker 1: talking about crime here. We're just talking about the relationship
36:24
Speaker 1: working out much worse than the average chance of a
36:28
Speaker 1: relationship working out when one are both partners comes into it.
36:31
Speaker 1: With kids, there are all kinds of additional complications. Being
36:34
Speaker 1: a step parent or step parent figure is one of
36:37
Speaker 1: the most difficult roles of human being can play. And
36:40
Speaker 1: it is not a very far trip from the unhappy
36:45
Speaker 1: marriage divorce place to the fatal vows place. It really isn't.
36:50
Speaker 1: In these kinds of of cases, you just can't be
36:53
Speaker 1: too careful about who you bring into the lives of
36:55
Speaker 1: your kids. And what I would say to you is,
36:57
Speaker 1: you've got to think about how is having this person
37:01
Speaker 1: in our lives good for my kids and if and
37:05
Speaker 1: just imagine coming before judge Judge Dr Brian Russell and
37:09
Speaker 1: having to make that case. And if you can't make
37:12
Speaker 1: a great case for how this person is good not
37:15
Speaker 1: for you, I really don't care how good they are
37:17
Speaker 1: for you for your kids, then you probably ought to
37:20
Speaker 1: think about focusing on the kids and doing your dating
37:23
Speaker 1: and resuming your romantic life after the kids are no
37:25
Speaker 1: longer miners would be my advice. You know, I want
37:28
Speaker 1: to go into well Point, well taken. I want to
37:32
Speaker 1: go to Vincent Hill, investigator, former Nationale p p D Vincent.
37:37
Speaker 1: How does how do police or sheriffs coordinate with the
37:42
Speaker 1: d A as we wait for Mariah's funeral to begin?
37:46
Speaker 1: That signals to me the medical examiner has released her
37:49
Speaker 1: body and should no cause of death. How are police
37:53
Speaker 1: working right now with the d A to figure out
37:56
Speaker 1: what charges and whether they're going to be other suspects? Well, Nancy,
38:00
Speaker 1: clearly they're going off what the medical examiner said was
38:03
Speaker 1: the cause of death, which I would surmise to be homicide.
38:07
Speaker 1: You know, obviously Mariah did not walk twenty five and
38:10
Speaker 1: dive into this bed of water. Uh So of course
38:13
Speaker 1: they're going to take that into consideration. They're going to
38:16
Speaker 1: take witness statements from inside the home which could lead
38:19
Speaker 1: to other charges, you know, the aiding and abetting, faire
38:22
Speaker 1: to protect, favor to report, uh, the aggravated child neglect,
38:26
Speaker 1: the aggravated child and endangerment. Uh. So it's going to
38:29
Speaker 1: rely a lot on to your point. The body has
38:32
Speaker 1: been released, so a cause of death has been determined.
38:35
Speaker 1: So that's when investigators are relating to the DA Right now,
38:39
Speaker 1: we are gathering all the information that we know of,
38:42
Speaker 1: including child protective service documents, search warrants. There's a lot.
38:47
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on now. We know that he
38:51
Speaker 1: live in Earl Camery, has just appeared in court. We
38:55
Speaker 1: also know, and this is to Amanda, Tim's reporter with
38:58
Speaker 1: the Daily Knees of Jacksonville, North Carolina, NA, that his
39:01
Speaker 1: lawyer is Walter Paramore. Walter Paramore, and Paramore has apparently
39:10
Speaker 1: handled a lot of high profile cases. What do you
39:14
Speaker 1: know about Walter Paramore. I know that he's great in
39:19
Speaker 1: the courtroom. He's a fantastic defense attorney. Of seeing him
39:22
Speaker 1: on numerous, as you said, high profile cases here in
39:25
Speaker 1: Onslow County, and he knows, he knows what he's doing. Now,
39:29
Speaker 1: when you say he's great in the courtroom, and he
39:32
Speaker 1: watched him. What do you mean by that that he's
39:33
Speaker 1: great in the courtroom? What I mean by that is
39:37
Speaker 1: that he speaks eloquently. He's very intelligent in the way
39:41
Speaker 1: that he goes about his cases. He knows what he's
39:44
Speaker 1: doing from the defense side. Um. I believe he may
39:48
Speaker 1: have previously worked for the prosecution as well. UM. So
39:51
Speaker 1: he has a background on both sides of the courtroom,
39:54
Speaker 1: and he just the way that he presents himself and
39:56
Speaker 1: presents the cases is very intelligent in the courtroom. Well,
40:00
Speaker 1: he's handled a number of high profile cases. Is not
40:03
Speaker 1: his first time at the rodeo. He knows what he's doing.
40:06
Speaker 1: And I'm curious, uh, Dr Brian Russell, not only psychologist
40:10
Speaker 1: but lawyer. You know Camery cannot afford paramore, So how
40:15
Speaker 1: is this happening? How is paramore on this case? Well,
40:21
Speaker 1: as uh, I know you know this, but but our
40:23
Speaker 1: viewers may be interested to know that in a lot
40:24
Speaker 1: of jurisdictions, especially if it's a a big charge like murder,
40:32
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the case that an indigent defendant just
40:36
Speaker 1: gets a public defender who is a full time public defender. Now,
40:41
Speaker 1: and that is not to say that full time public defenders,
40:44
Speaker 1: uh in many cases are not terrific defense attorneys, because
40:47
Speaker 1: they certainly can be. But in many jurisdictions, attorneys who
40:51
Speaker 1: are in private practice can be appointed by the court
40:55
Speaker 1: by the state to take a case that especially as
40:59
Speaker 1: it is a high stakes case like this, and have
41:02
Speaker 1: their fees be paid by the state. So so think
41:06
Speaker 1: about that, folks in North Carolina, that that you are
41:08
Speaker 1: going to be probably paying the bill for this high priced,
41:13
Speaker 1: high profile defense attorney. Well, this is what I know.
41:17
Speaker 1: He practices in North Carolina, and it says that he
41:21
Speaker 1: has been practicing criminal law as a specialist since nineteen
41:26
Speaker 1: Now I don't know what that means as a specialist because, um,
41:31
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's self described specialists like I'm
41:33
Speaker 1: a criminal lawyer, a criminal prosecutor, uh Dr Brian Russell.
41:38
Speaker 1: I don't do wheels and slip and falls and I
41:40
Speaker 1: never have. Um how and when you have a civil lawyer,
41:45
Speaker 1: you don't want your grandma's uh probate lawyer handling your
41:51
Speaker 1: murder one trial or your drug trial. Uh No, that
41:55
Speaker 1: would be like asking a foot doctor to come in
41:59
Speaker 1: and perform heart surgery, explained Dr Brian well, that's right.
42:04
Speaker 1: You you don't if you think that you might have
42:06
Speaker 1: a heart uh, palpitation or something, the podiatrist is not
42:12
Speaker 1: the person probably to ask about that. And so you do.
42:16
Speaker 1: Just like I always tell people when they're talking about,
42:18
Speaker 1: you know, needing a surgery or something, I said, you know,
42:20
Speaker 1: you want to go to the person who has done
42:22
Speaker 1: that surgery a thousand times, ten thousand times. And so
42:26
Speaker 1: I think the same holds true here. And I think
42:28
Speaker 1: also what I would add to my to my previous
42:32
Speaker 1: answer is that there are cases in which high profile
42:35
Speaker 1: defense attorneys we saw this with the Zimmerman case in Florida,
42:39
Speaker 1: will come forward and want to take on these cases
42:43
Speaker 1: for a greatly reduced fee or potentially sometimes even a
42:46
Speaker 1: waived fee because of the publicity that it gives to
42:50
Speaker 1: their practice. Back to Amanda Tim's report with the Daily
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Speaker 1: Needs with Jacksonville, North Carolina, Amanda has the mom lawyered
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Speaker 1: up yet not as far as we've been able to confirm.
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Speaker 1: Interesting back to you, Dr Brian Russell. The fact that
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Speaker 1: the mom has not gotten a defense lawyer, it looks
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Speaker 1: good for her. She doesn't think she needs a defense lawyer, well,
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Speaker 1: potentially or it may just be that she hasn't been
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Speaker 1: charged with anything, and you've got to be charged with
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Speaker 1: something before you can get a public defender appointed. That's true,
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Speaker 1: but I guess there's a whole line of lawyers that
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Speaker 1: we would be willing to step in Brian to represent
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Speaker 1: the mom just for the notoriety of it. Probably so
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Speaker 1: to Amanda Tim's we know that the funeral is happening
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Speaker 1: in the next hours. That means that the natural father,
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Speaker 1: the bio father, Alex Woods, is going to be there
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Speaker 1: with the mom, Christie, who was in the home many
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Speaker 1: people believe at the time Mariah was killed because if
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Speaker 1: you look at search, aren't Earl Kimbery has charged with
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Speaker 1: taking the child's body to be disposed off from the home,
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Speaker 1: which means, you know, if you reason it out, she
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Speaker 1: was killed in the home. So he's gonna be there
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Speaker 1: in the funeral home with the mom who many people
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Speaker 1: believe were in the home when the daughter was killed.
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Speaker 1: Amanda gas Man from Minderstanding, they are all going to
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Speaker 1: be in there together for the public visitation this evening.
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Speaker 1: They've been working together trying to nail down all of
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Speaker 1: the funeral arrangements together. It was a struggle from what
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Speaker 1: Alex was saying yesterday when I spoke with him one
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Speaker 1: on one, But it seems that they did come to
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Speaker 1: a resolution on everything yesterday. Um. I'm just thinking about this,
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Speaker 1: Dr Russell, about what Alex Woods is going through, because
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Speaker 1: in his mind, he makes it very clear in these
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Speaker 1: court documents that the mom knew the baby was being
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Speaker 1: listed and that there are witnesses to it. That is
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Speaker 1: what he says. Again, she's not a person of interest,
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Speaker 1: she's not been named to suspect, but he is there
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Speaker 1: in this setting with this woman, Dr Russell, Do we
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Speaker 1: know Nancy whether or not he is also the father
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Speaker 1: of the other children in the house. Yes, I think
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Speaker 1: he is of the two of the two boys. Because
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Speaker 1: one of the things that interests me is that apparently
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Speaker 1: those other children are now in the custody of Child
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Speaker 1: Protective Services, and I just wonder why they are not
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Speaker 1: with him, and maybe there's a great reason for that,
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Speaker 1: but it makes me think that the entire situation is
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Speaker 1: probably complicated. It's probably unfortunate in in multiple ways. Would
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Speaker 1: be my guests Having said that, absolutely, I think that
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Speaker 1: there would be tremendous feelings of, uh, certainly anger at
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Speaker 1: the mother and the boyfriend who's accused here of potentially
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Speaker 1: also feelings of tremendous guilt for having not been able
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Speaker 1: to do more to protect this this little girl, uh,
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Speaker 1: the deceased Maria. Uh. So yes, I imagined that the
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Speaker 1: father is going through all kinds of hell at this point.
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Speaker 1: The children, the siblings are with the grandmother, so they're
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Speaker 1: not in some foster care situation. Uh, and the father
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Speaker 1: can see them. I'd like to find out more about
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Speaker 1: it too. This is what I know. In the last hours.
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Speaker 1: Camry that live in accused of disposing of a body
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Speaker 1: and withholding information from North Carolina law enforcement about Mariah's death,
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Speaker 1: said absolutely nothing in court. Now there was a move
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Speaker 1: of foot to reduce his bond, but the judge maintained
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Speaker 1: thirty two year old Earl Camrays bond at one million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Now to make bond on that, you have to get
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Speaker 1: a bonding company to help you, and you have to
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Speaker 1: put up at least ten percent. That be a hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. He'd have to come up with either cash
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Speaker 1: or collateral to get out again. Kimrie officially charged with
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Speaker 1: hiding three year old Mariah's body knowing she did not
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Speaker 1: die of quote natural causes and disposing of it right now.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors not releasing any new details, but a high profile lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Walter Paramore also said nothing. Now, that's hard for a
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Speaker 1: lawyer to do. Brian Russell to keep his yap shut.
47:34
Speaker 1: I think it speaks to probably the skill and well,
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Speaker 1: and that just the experience of that attorney to know
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Speaker 1: that the facts, so far as we know them, look
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Speaker 1: very bad for the client, and so probably and we
47:45
Speaker 1: don't probably have all of the charges yet that are coming,
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Speaker 1: would be my guests, and so that was probably exactly
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Speaker 1: the thing to do from a defense standpoint. And it's
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Speaker 1: one of those things where I imagine most people listening
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Speaker 1: if they had to pick aside in this case, would
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Speaker 1: be uh, you know, pro prosecution, do you have to
48:04
Speaker 1: keep in mind that uh, you know, in situations like this,
48:08
Speaker 1: we have to say allegedly and he's not. He's innocent
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Speaker 1: until proven guilty, and he's entitled to a defense and
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Speaker 1: all of that. Right now, we are waiting to discover
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Speaker 1: whether additional suspects are going to be named and additional
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Speaker 1: charges filed. I want you to hear something. I want
48:26
Speaker 1: you to hear as we ponder whether another person will
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Speaker 1: be named as a party to this crime. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Mariah's mother. Please bring her back and I
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Speaker 1: love her. Do anything that I can't, whatever you want.
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Speaker 1: Spreager Hall, please savee sound. She's my baby, She's by everything.
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Speaker 1: What does she means to you and your family in
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Speaker 1: this community? She's like an angel. I have my twos
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Speaker 1: tied and burnt on each side. I felt out I
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Speaker 1: was pregnant with her, so we call her our little angel.
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Speaker 1: She's got the personality of make you laugh. She's goofy, outgoing, talkative.
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Speaker 1: She knows how to make your day brighter. A lot
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Speaker 1: to this community and people that are here looking for her,
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Speaker 1: love her to death. What would it means to you
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Speaker 1: to see her face again? Everything in the world, just
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Speaker 1: to be able to touch her and hold her, not
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Speaker 1: let her go again, to give anything tacked onto the
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Speaker 1: whoever has her, please I'm begging you bring her home safe.
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