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Returning from Death (Ft Sayed Abdullah Al-Nakeeb) · After Maghrib 🌙

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  It's Milah Rahman Al Rahim Aslam Alaikum after live.
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  Welcome back to the Aftermarket podcast, your favorite shootout
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  podcast. Of course, friends, sisters, you
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  all know as well as I that over the last few weeks we've been
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  focusing on our knowledge of the Adal Bait Alayhi Musalam, a lot
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  of facets of their lives, not just the historical element or
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  the spiritual element, but also in a contemporary fashion.
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  And also looking forward in the future, understanding how the
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  lessons learnt from the Holy Quran and the Adal Bait Alayhi
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  Musalaam play a direct role in our own lives today.
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  So this is a theme we want to continue in these blessed days
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  and Inshallah today we're going to do that.
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  We're going to be talking about the Rajah, which of course is a
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  really hot topic in general and something which I think a lot of
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  us as a community lack foundational knowledge on.
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  We'll also be talking about the greba of our current Imam
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  Muhammad Hajja Ajallah Dahlahf Hajjah Sharif and ways in which
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  we can connect with the Holy Imam throughout the period of
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  Grebat and Cobra. So it gives me great pleasure as
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  always and no surprise at all to you to introduce my wonderful Co
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  host, said Ali. Brother, is that right?
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  You can say it. Salaam.
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  How you doing brother? I'm the love seeing you we can
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  week out makes life better, makes life easier.
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  I'm not even joking by the way. Thank you.
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  We learn a lot and I love the conversations.
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  What happening throughout the most of Maharama Safar and today
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  is no different. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah. We we've had like some
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  fascinating guests over the last in a few weeks and everyone at
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  home will know that we have some guests who are close to our
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  heart and who are brothers and teachers to us.
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  And we're really honoured to have back with us.
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  Who was with us during the first ten nights of Muharram?
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  None other than our dear brother Said Abdullah in The Cave.
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  So Alaikum. Said so thank you so much for
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  having me again. Yeah, Ali Hambinda, nice to have
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  you on. This is your 4th appearance.
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  It is. It is.
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  It is preceded by one other. Yeah, Muhammad Ali.
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  Muhammad Ali is part of the team.
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  Of course. That's who you are.
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  Absolute, absolute, absolute honour.
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  Charlotte will have 1/5. Charlotte I.
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  Know, Ahmed said. Special guest.
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  I don't think you're a guest. Well, I guess.
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  And last, that was your podcast. Without.
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  Doubt we we learn from you and we're honoured to say you're
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  part of our team. Have you say, I know obviously
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  this is a topic which we've been speaking about a lot in the days
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  preceding this conversation. Why do you feel it's so
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  important to talk about this? So the topic of Raja I don't
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  think is explored as much as other.
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  I mean, there is a lot of topics that aren't really given their
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  Jew right from the pulpits through discussions.
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  And you find because we don't mention them so much during like
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  a five year, 10 year, 15 year gap that the people that are
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  developing through listening to the Magalis, they don't really
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  come into contact with it. And as such, when it's mentioned
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  to them at a older age, you'll find that like what?
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  I've never really heard about this particular topic or that
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  particular topic. And I think because of its
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  intricacy, I find that it isn't being spoken about as much.
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  And I think the speakers do have their reasonings behind it.
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  But I think because it's intricate, it might not make a
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  lot of sense to a lot of people because there's a lot of
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  question marks around around it. As well as it's in that realm of
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  really needing to have a solid foundation of AGAI before you
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  can explore it. Because many people that can,
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  you know, delve into it without having a fundamental
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  understanding, I think would really find it difficult to to
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  comprehend and to understand the, you know, the different
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  foundations that are laid before this topic comes into fruition,
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  basically. So when it does occur, which
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  we'll we'll speak about later on, Sharla, that that made
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  sense, you say? No, it does make sense.
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  Why would you say it's difficult for speakers to articulate it,
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  let's say? See.
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  Is it fair on us not to know about it?
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  Sorry, is it fair on us? Yeah.
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  That's, that's, that's what we're discussing, isn't it?
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  Yeah. But The thing is, as a
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  discussion now, it's going to be very different from a pulpit
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  perspective because from pulpit perspective, I might think about
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  it, you know, when I speak to the people, I think that this is
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  the piece of knowledge that I think is enough for you to learn
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  this particular topic. But then people have a lot of
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  questions. And that's why a conversation,
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  you know, which is uncensored, we should say.
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  But like, there's no limitations.
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  We can go back and forth, you know, you know, you may have
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  questions that viewers would have or listeners would have or,
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  and then that way we can, you know, not often do we see the
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  questions that are there before having the lecture.
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  So we give the lecture, then people have the question.
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  Well, hold on, you know, maybe this wasn't explained properly
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  or this is the first time I hear about this particular incident
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  event, personality theory, whatever have you.
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  So to have the discussion is kind of like, you know, point
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  blank, you know, this is what may be a question mark on
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  certain particular areas for AJA.
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  So I think that's what I've found to be interesting because
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  I remember to be completely honest, the first time I came
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  across, I remember I was like, you know, as many people do with
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  new things that you haven't heard for years, when you come
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  across it, you're like, hold on, what's the foundations behind
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  this? You know, is this something that
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  is widely accepted? Is this something that is
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  problematic with all the rules and regulations that we do have
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  established within the Quran and the Hadith?
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  Or is it something not established and we just have to
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  believe in it? So that's where we begin to have
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  the discussion. And it's, it's, I think it'll be
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  quite an interesting discussion. We've been obviously speaking
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  now for a few minutes about Raja.
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  There's someone at home is saying what is the?
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  What is it, Raja? So how?
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  How do you define it in a sort? Raja, the word actually comes
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  from the return. So if he's, you know, in Arabic,
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  you, you guys would both know if someone goes something goes
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  somewhere, you know, let's say from point A to point B, he
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  comes back. You can say Raja, you know.
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  So Raja is technically the return.
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  But the concept of Raja to, you know, go straight into the deep
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  end is the understanding that after Imam made the Ajala
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  Taalafaraja Sharif comes. There will be a return of people
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  after they have died, returned back to this world, the best of
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  the best and the worst of the worst men Mahabal Iman and
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  Mahaba or men Mahabal Kufra, Mahaba.
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  So you have those two different people that will come back in
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  the, in this aspect of the return.
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  And that's the whole discussion that when we have this return of
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  the best of the best is inclusive of our imams.
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  So not inclusive of our imams, it's inclusive of the people
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  that proceeded all the way to Adam.
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  Or is it not? What is the reasoning behind it?
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  And if so, and we accept it from the traditions, can we prove it
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  not just from the hadith, which we have, you know, vast
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  abundance of, but can we prove this concept from the Holy
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  Quran, which is more important? Because that's the main basis,
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  you know, the Thakalain. So that's the, I think that's if
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  we discuss it through that angle, it will be grounded more
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  so and more accepted so. So this is of course something
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  which is not accepted by the mud hub of the Sunnis.
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  They don't believe in rajah. It's not something which they
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  agree with or even discuss from the perspective of the Shia.
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  From amongst the Alamar, of course, as you mentioned, there
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  is discussion, there's some works on it, which is good.
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  But amongst the the, the people, the population, we may
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  unknowingly reference that John. So, for example, do I had, I had
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  and and whatnot. We we talk about the return and
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  and being amongst those who return to to.
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  Set the imams and. The cause of the Imams, Al Ahmad
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  Salam, Why do you think it's something which is, if you don't
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  mind me asking, it's really upfront said.
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  Do you think that it's something which can be understood on a
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  very basic or foundational level?
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  Or is it, is it something which is appropriate for those who
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  have studied Islam and who are ready for the technical?
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  Because it's, it is very technical.
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  And beyond that as well, there's a lot of things in it which may
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  confuse people. So the years of things that are
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  mentioned. So the governance of the holy
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  Imams and how many years that lasts and who comes, which imams
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  come back in which order and or not, these things may confuse
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  people. So I I think even like him
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  mentioning that people, I think at home we'll be like, what do
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  you mean our imams are coming back, you know, do you know what
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  I mean? So that because that's I think
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  that will surprise a lot of people.
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  But yeah, look, the discussion does have many branches.
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  But at the base value, I think what we're going to in Charlotte
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  achieve by the end of, you know, this episode is laying those
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  core foundations. There are a lot of
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  technicalities that I think is for a different audience in the
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  sense of its intricacies. And we're talking about
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  intricacies, you know, such as when the people that are evil
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  return, how then does the judgement system work?
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  Are they books open or have they been closed since they died?
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  What is the purpose of them returning?
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  What happens to those that return that are good and that
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  have died in the path of Allah, Subhanahu to Allah?
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  So these intricate, more higher level discussions, I don't think
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  will be, you know, we wouldn't do it justice if we were to
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  speak on it, you know, within the limited times that we do
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  have right now. But to lay the foundation of how
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  we can prove it through the Quran and through the Hadith.
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  I think tonight would be a good starting point for anyone that
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  wants to even do further research because you know, as
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  let's say those that are trying to speak for the religion or our
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  vessels to carry the message, we often find ourselves falling
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  into the trap of trying to spoon feed absolutely everything with
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  religion. But rather, I think what we need
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  to focus on is creating that spark of interest.
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  Because what you want to do is allow people to develop, to go
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  and do their own reading, own research, find their own
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  attachment. Like we'll give as much as we
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  can, but without that spark, you're not really going to go
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  out and research about something or you're going to learn about
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  something or want to understand the concept.
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  More or less. You have an aspect that you want
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  to connect in a certain way or a question that you may not have
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  had the answer to and you want the answer to.
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  So that can be developed, You know, so if we were to say going
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  to it, how can we answer questions about this particular
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  concept of ours? So the first question would come
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  forward like, OK, so you're saying that the concept of Raja
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  means that people that have died in this world, they're going to
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  return at the time of Imam Mehdi, the best of the best and
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  the worst of the worst. So the first question we have to
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  ask ourselves is, do we have a basis for people that died to
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  return back to this world? Did we have a basis from the
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  Holy Quran? You know, so that's that's the
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  first discussion. And then when we delve into it,
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  you begin to see there are many occasions from the Quran that
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  not 'cause as as Muslims, one of the fundamental understandings
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  is Mihad Mihad. We all believe in resurrection,
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  but the resurrection there speaking about the hereafter,
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  not this world. So the question is, the
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  resurrection in Lejiah will be resurrection in this world, not
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  the hereafter. But not for everyone.
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  Not for everyone ascent ascent. So amongst the Quranic verses we
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  come many stories that have and Subhan Allah.
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  Take the story of Ibrahim for example, when he says to Allah,
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  al Allah, show me how you resurrect the dead.
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  So do you not believe he goes no, but I want to increase in
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  certainty. So you know, he gets the four
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  different birds. He gets what's it Peacock, crow,
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  dove and pigeon. And the interesting thing is
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  Allah says, you know, cut me up into pieces and mix the pieces
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  together. Not like separate, no, and mix
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  them all together. Plains, place them on mountains
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  and call, for example, the crow. You'll see the pieces of the
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  crow will come in front of you and you formulate as it's
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  arriving. Call the dove, call the pigeon,
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  call the Peacock. They will form in front of your
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  eyes that they will become alive once more after their death.
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  Some will come like, OK, but we're talking about human
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  resurrection. Resurrection.
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  Let's talk about it in a human perspective.
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  So he goes, OK, amongst the ones that we understand is let's say
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  go towards a story of Mosa Alessena Mosa.
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  When the people come forward and say, oh Mosa, I want to see your
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  Lord. And unless it's Lentarani, you
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  know, you won't be able to see me.
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  You know, you kind of look at the sun, you want to look at me.
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  So as I come takes him to the mountain and the verse in
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  question speaks very clearly the SA AKA the storm, the lightning,
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  whatever you want to translate it into, OK, they all died, 70
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  of them in the tradition all died.
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  And most says like, you know, if I return and they're all dead,
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  they're going to, you know, be accused.
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  So the Quran says after they died, Allah Razraf.
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  So there's a humans, you know, you have the story of Azra
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  Wazir, the two brothers, you know, at that that they lived at
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  one time. And one of the brothers, which
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  was a prophet goes past a synagogue that was demolished.
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  This is and now he hada can I last want to Hada return this?
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  And so it was with his donkey. And the tradition goes on to say
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  that he went inside to break bread and have water, died for
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  100 years, then returned. Then he's asked, you know, how
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  long have we slept the day or you're part of it.
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  Then comes and sees his donkey outside.
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  But what was left was like bone. So Allah showed him how on that
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  donkey itself, the flesh with form and on it in front of his
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  eyes he was resurrected. In front of him he saw
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  resurrection. The story of Mosa with the
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  reason why it's called Sohat Al Baqarah, the man that dies and
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  they ask resurrect him in order for us to see who killed him
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  because there was 2 tribes fighting amongst each other says
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  resurrect him. He'll tell you if you're a
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  prophet of God. So Allah brings down that, you
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  know, bring a a cow and then they, you know, sometimes that
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  makes it easy for us, but sometimes we make it hard for
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  ourselves. So I was like bring a cow.
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  They're like what kind of cow? How big, how small until they
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  OK, you want more questions, I'll give you more until it was
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  a yellow cow that they had to find.
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  That's when you're going to find the yellow cow got a yellow cow
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  says hit it into one another is resurrected after his death.
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  And then he tells the people who his murderer was.
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  So we find these things, you know, through in and throughout
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  the Quran. There's there's so many
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  different ones that we begin to understand that there's a
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  resurrection. Like, for example, ASA, he's
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  known for it. Yeah, known for resurrecting the
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  dead. And you know, as we were
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  discussing before the dead, sometimes we think to ourselves,
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  were they just did they just die or were they years?
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  And so the discussion that was concerning death and
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  resurrection, many of the books discuss ASA coming to a grave
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  that is fresh, fresh, like just just they just buried him, youth
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  just buried him and he would resurrect him.
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  But when he's resurrected, he's resurrected as a old man.
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  So what happened? Tell me he goes, I'm not in the
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  of of Barazakh. I'm the Jahanam of Barazakh.
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  And so the aspect of torture is, even though it's a little bit
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  for you, but it feels like a long time that he's basically
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  aged from the pain and suffering that he went through through
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  that short time period. Maybe time frames work very
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  differently within Barzakh, as they do for us maybe.
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  And likewise, they said that he came across a grave that we
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  didn't even recognize that it was a grave.
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  And he resurrected that person and it was like a youth.
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  And he says, what's going on? He goes, O Ruhallah, he goes, I,
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  because I, I came into this realm and I, I ripped a necklace
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  and it fell all the, the pills everywhere, I'm trying to
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  collect them. And then you've resurrected me.
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  So they didn't recognize his grave.
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  So the, the, the discussion is there.
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  The discussion is there that resurrection in this realm
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  exists. So that's the first discussion.
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  So we've established the first fundamental that we say that
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  that Rajat happens, that it returns towards this world.
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  Is there a Quranic basis for it? It is.
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  So now let's discuss is there a Quranic basis of people being
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  resurrected before hereafter in order for us to know is there a
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  Quranic basis for it? So when you go towards verses
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  from the Holy Quran, there's verses that come forward and
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  discuss Nihad, where last Muhammad Ta'ala says that we
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  will bring everyone. Everyone.
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  Yeah. And there are discussions that
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  says Allah will return only a group of people, not everyone.
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  We know Kiyama. If we were discussing Kiyama,
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  everyone's resurrected, aren't they?
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  But when it comes to Raja, there's only a group of people
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  and Mahabala, Imana Mahabala, Mahabala, Kothra Mahabala.
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  Yeah. So with that discussion go
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  towards the Holy Quran Bismillah Rahman Rahim to give you an
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  understanding of of the Mihad resurrection Wayomi museyurul
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  jibal Qatar al arav barizatan wahashar nahum phelim Nova
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  dermenhum ahada. So our last saying and the day
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  when we will remove the mountains and you will see the
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  earth prominent and we will gather them and not leave behind
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  from them anyone not understandable that the
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  Yomatiyama, everything that occurs that every single person
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  will be resurrected. Now also within the Holy Quran,
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  Surat al Nabil wyom nashor min kuli omatin faujan.
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  So OK, now saying that on the day, much like I said before, we
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  will gather from every nation, not every nation from not the
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  entire. Nation not literal or.
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  From every nation, not like every single nation that
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  existed. From every nation mean could
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  mean those. Parts of all.
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  That, yeah, represent. But the understanding there is
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  it's a part, it's not the complete.
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  So there you have a premise already for the fact that there
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  is a resurrection for a partial resurrection and there's a
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  resurrection for a complete resurrection, which gives us the
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  second grounds for this concept of Raja.
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  So now let's look at this concept.
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  We come and say that we're going to bring the best of the best
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  and the worst of the worst. What else can we understand from
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  the governorship? So now we understand every
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  single person has been oppressed, every prophet
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  oppressed Rasul Allah. So we're going to get to the
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  discussion of how he died. You know, Maman Nyelamis moment,
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  Omar, it's a different discussion, but if we were to
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  say he's the one that had governorship 4 1/2 years, 3
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  civil wars comes into the Masjid, he says, you know, don't
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  pray like this, pray like this. He cover pressure.
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  Literally, yeah. So it's like who are you to tell
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  us? You know, like he says, no,
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  Rasulullah established this law for Salah, not that law.
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  And they would say in for all four corners of Kufa was Sunnah
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  to Omara is why trying to change the Sunnah of Omar.
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  So in that 4 1/2 years, if you say that he was a governor, how
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  much time did he really have to establish with three civil wars
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  and everything that was happening around him, so much so
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  that he was killed in Salah. So we see that throughout every
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  single one of our imams didn't really have a chance, did they,
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  to establish justice and eradicate tyranny.
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  So can I ask similar chronologically?
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  Yes. At what stage does Raja occur?
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  So obviously the whole of the Imam happens, yes.
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  Do we have any, any understanding as to when it
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  happens? Is it after the death of the
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  Holy Imam? Is it before you know?
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  These are all things which I think come to my mind.
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  Definitely. No, no, that's a very valid
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  question because we have, like you stated earlier, the I, I
• 21:50
  had. What do we say if we die then
• 21:54
  and we're not able to come to your assistance for Khurjini min
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  abri mutezeran kefeni Shaharan seifi Mujahideen karnati
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  mulebian dawa to die. So all this is, oh Allah, if I
• 22:08
  die, I want you to allow me to be resurrected alongside
• 22:12
  alongside the Imam. So the first instance is we know
• 22:15
  that people will arrive with the Imam to assist him in performing
• 22:20
  all that he needs to do. So amongst them, which only
• 22:25
  moments ago we heard, Salman is known to be one of them in
• 22:29
  traditions as Habil Kyev are known to be one of them.
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  Many of the prophets would come back to be assisting.
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  And so you have these which obviously formulate the best of
• 22:41
  the best and the worst of the worst that will arrive.
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  Now there's different stages. So we'll see that some people
• 22:48
  will arrive at the arrival of the Imam, some people after his
• 22:52
  death. So, and the understanding is so
• 22:56
  Subhan Allah, there's a verse Bismillah Rahman al Rahim
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  walaqat Kheteb Nafiz Zabur minbadidikar and Al Arab
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  yarituha ibadiya salihorn. Now if we were to say that
• 23:11
  someone will inherit this world, yeah, someone that will be able
• 23:15
  to establish justice and eradicate tyranny.
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  So the ayah would have said and then out of Yerruthuha AB de
• 23:22
  asada singular that this one person will establish justice
• 23:27
  and eradicate tyranny. But right now does the verse say
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  yerrithuha abide de asada? More than one, yeah.
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  One goes, next comes, one goes next comes until they establish
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  a body plural. Now just to go back on one other
• 23:44
  point before we go to the the cream of the discussion, it says
• 23:52
  Kalora Bana Amit tenethinetane or a hiatenethinetane.
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  What does that mean? Killed us twice.
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  O Allah, you've killed us or caused us to die twice, and
• 24:05
  you've resurrected us twice. Yeah.
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  So now you can already see twice we died, twice we were
• 24:14
  resurrected. Now the interesting discussion
• 24:17
  is which I want to touch on, and this is I think the highlight
• 24:23
  when I came across this tradition, which will absolutely
• 24:26
  blew my mind. And I really think it would
• 24:28
  touch chords in people's minds, in people's hearts, really touch
• 24:32
  chords in people's hearts. Zorara, we know who Zorara is
• 24:37
  and how close he was with the Mama sadaq.
• 24:39
  It comes towards the Mama sadaq. Look at the question.
• 24:42
  He goes, oh, Imam, is death the same as being killed?
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  Because you ask someone what's cattle something to die, you say
• 24:54
  mout, what's mout death? So Zorara looks at him.
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  Sorry, mum's sadaq looks at Zorara.
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  Zorara absolutely no. He goes.
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  Laisselle mount. Calcutta, well, Alcatlukel
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  mount. How does he know he goes?
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  Allah said into the Holy Quran. I felt in matter O what it I'm
• 25:16
  talking about Rasulullah. If he dies or is killed, I
• 25:19
  thought I'm matter O, but in it's coming to it to the end,
• 25:25
  yeah. He's being a non Arab.
• 25:28
  Wait wait, wait, wait till I so he comes to his eyes does does
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  Izarah comes to the Imam. He says is malt and qatim the
• 25:36
  same thing? So is death and being killed the
• 25:38
  same thing? He goes no Allah differentiated
• 25:41
  in the holy Quran in the holy Quran talks about so Allah says
• 25:45
  ETF imate al qatim if he dies or is killed make the difference.
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  But look at the next thing that he says that re establishes the
• 25:54
  Rajah. Yeah, he says.
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  He says whomever, whomever has tasted being killed need to come
• 26:07
  back to taste death. Why Accent, alas, is the Holy
• 26:14
  Quran. Everyone that is this is in
• 26:16
  accordance with this. Everyone that is killed has to
• 26:18
  come back to taste death because those that have tasted death,
• 26:23
  sorry, have tasted being killed, haven't tasted death.
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  As in natural death or? That's that's Imam.
• 26:30
  Imam has this premise, but he's saying the people that are
• 26:32
  killed haven't tasted death. A last premise in the Quran as
• 26:36
  well, whomever has been killed, tasted being killed have to come
• 26:39
  back. Because the premise, what does
• 26:41
  it say? Every soul shall taste death by
• 26:45
  the souls that have tasted being killed haven't tasted death.
• 26:49
  That's why it says Lahta haben and Ladina Portillo fisabil
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  Allah Amados do not count. Those have been killed in the
• 26:56
  path of Allah as dead. Dead.
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  Nay, they are alive. So you're saying everyone that
• 27:03
  has been killed all? Makes.
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  Sense needs to come back to taste death.
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  So you see how it's all of a sudden begins to establish it's
• 27:11
  got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So. So just imagine that tradition.
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  Yeah. And then, and this is the
• 27:17
  intricacies of these these, these issues.
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  So we understand now that amongst those that have been
• 27:24
  killed on the path of Allah, they have to return to taste
• 27:27
  death. What do you usually refer to
• 27:29
  them as? The people that are killed in
• 27:31
  the path of Allah, Shahada? No, no, let's establish
• 27:33
  something. So you're saying the shahada are
• 27:36
  those that they have the Allah they have to come back to taste
• 27:40
  if we're taking this tradition, have to come back to taste
• 27:44
  death. Now Shaheda, often times we come
• 27:49
  across this Shaheda. What does it mean?
• 27:54
  I think we know as Martins. Martins, yeah.
• 27:57
  But if you get to the root word shaheda, where does it come
• 28:01
  from? Shahid, Shahid, Shahid.
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  Make it the root. The root letters Shahid,
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  Shahidah. Shahidah, OK.
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  Shahidah is it? It's like.
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  Shahadah, shahadah to bear witness now.
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  OK, so why now do we, if we were to take that translation of it?
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  Yeah, if you're a shaheed, you're known as a martyr.
• 28:27
  But if you get the root word, it means you bear witness.
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  Can we suggest the fact that proposed to this tradition that
• 28:34
  a person that is killed known as a shaheed returns?
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  To witness death. To to witness the establishment
• 28:43
  of Allah's mercy on this earth, and then it takes death, of
• 28:48
  course, when it comes back to witness Allah's mercy on this
• 28:53
  earth because it establishes justice and eradicates tyranny.
• 28:56
  That's why they have the hierarchy that you are, because
• 28:59
  you died in my path. Be the first to witness.
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  So does this mean that anyone whose shahada is part of.
• 29:05
  This it's it's it's an established aspect to where that
• 29:09
  is definitely a premise. And now the interesting thing is
• 29:11
  amongst the first that returns is who Mum Hussein is known as.
• 29:17
  Yeah, that's. Nothing was.
• 29:21
  To love makes sense, but he's some reports say he's the 1st to
• 29:27
  return. Yeah, that's that's it.
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  There's there's, there's different things that ties in as
• 29:33
  as kind of. Yeah, it's clicking.
• 29:35
  It is, it is working, it's making sense.
• 29:37
  My brain is kind of but but. It's getting there.
• 29:39
  It's. Clicking, but of course I'm
• 29:41
  thinking history. There's been, sorry, there's
• 29:43
  been 10s of thousands of shahada more than that.
• 29:46
  How many evil people do we have? I mean Mahadal Iman and Mahadal
• 29:50
  Ko from I want. To go to the.
• 29:52
  Who's to say technically who? Now we get into the gist of it.
• 29:57
  So these people died, and they died thinking that I've done
• 30:02
  everything that I needed to do and I didn't see on this earth
• 30:05
  Allah's justice. I got away with everything.
• 30:08
  So Allah is returning them to say, you know what, I'm going to
• 30:10
  let you bear witness that I have the final say in everything to
• 30:14
  create more of a pain for your soul and a punishment that
• 30:18
  you're going to see everything that you thought that you had
• 30:21
  that you could get away with. Look at how I prevail over all
• 30:25
  evil doers and all tyrants. So they come back and you begin
• 30:31
  to see that mum. And that's the interesting thing
• 30:33
  because that's why I said if you go into the context of Adid, we
• 30:37
  know that a person that is mahsom is not able to be buried
• 30:41
  except by a Mahsom. So when Mahmahdi dies,
• 30:47
  Mahmahsayin has two and the tradition said that he will bury
• 30:50
  Mahmahdi where? In his own shrub, in his own
• 30:54
  grave. So Imam Mehdi will be buried now
• 30:57
  in Karabela. So you take these traditions and
• 31:02
  then the understanding now is there's difference, different
• 31:05
  traditions that are there. Who will kill Iblis?
• 31:07
  Who? Will kill Iblis.
• 31:09
  So the traditions that suggest Imam Mehdi will be responsible
• 31:12
  for killing Iblis, then there are traditions that suggest that
• 31:15
  now after Imam Mehdi Mahasen comes, then Ali, then all the
• 31:18
  Imams, until Rasul Allah returns and kills Iblis in the final
• 31:22
  war. So there are so many different
• 31:25
  traditions and that's where it becomes very interesting and
• 31:27
  intricate. So say for those people at home
• 31:30
  who are listening to this, probably following and
• 31:33
  understanding, but in some way this may sound very animated to
• 31:40
  them, you know what I mean? Sounds like something out of a.
• 31:43
  Lord of the Rings or something. Honestly.
• 31:45
  And I I really don't mean to be disrespectful.
• 31:47
  I completely understand. I mean, right?
• 31:48
  No, no, of course, a lot. Of them is like in terms of the
• 31:50
  final war and the return and. Avenge like you know.
• 31:53
  Avenging the blood that was spilled in the years prior.
• 31:57
  But for these are the two questions I have #1 what are the
• 32:04
  qualities which someone who is to return with the Holy Imam?
• 32:07
  What are those qualities that they should have and #2 is it
• 32:11
  imperative to be conscious of the Rajah in our now kind of
• 32:16
  into the like the period which we live in now during the label
• 32:19
  of the Imam? Should we consciously think
• 32:21
  about the Rajah when we talk to the Imam, when we converse with
• 32:25
  the Imam? Do we say, allow me to return if
• 32:28
  I'm, if I die before, do you see what I mean?
• 32:31
  Before your return, allow me to be raised amongst your.
• 32:33
  So the I had this role established for for us, you
• 32:37
  know, it's one of the most recommended things to do in the
• 32:40
  mornings that you reaffirm that O Imam, I am going to do
• 32:44
  everything as an allegiance. Every time you wake up in the
• 32:46
  morning, you know what you're setting out to do during your
• 32:49
  day is to remember that you are wanting to become of the
• 32:53
  companions of the Imam. Now, if for whatever reason
• 32:56
  happens, if you really had that love for your Imam, you're
• 32:58
  saying I want to live my life in such a way that everything I do,
• 33:02
  I want you to look at it, saying that I'm proud for you to be of
• 33:06
  my companions. And if for every reason death
• 33:09
  separates between you and your Imam that Allah is able to
• 33:12
  resurrect you. And like many of the our
• 33:14
  traditions, sometimes we read our traditions, but we don't
• 33:17
  often contemplate over Zaratha JAMA warith.
• 33:22
  You know, many of the we say this particular phrase where
• 33:25
  many of us don't understand that, you know, become more men
• 33:28
  will be iya become mokin. Many times we come across this,
• 33:32
  but people come across like will be ER become morpin.
• 33:35
  OK, but says Imam's trying to establish, make sure that you
• 33:38
  understand this concept that we are returning.
• 33:40
  ER means the return. Morpin means not just I have
• 33:44
  knowledge of morpin Yakin, I have certainty in your return.
• 33:50
  So when you ask the question, should I understand this concept
• 33:53
  or is it a fairy tale? Imam's established it within it
• 33:59
  how how we supplicate is that make sure that when you
• 34:01
  supplicate, you're saying I become morphin, that I have
• 34:04
  certainty, not just, you know, lip service.
• 34:08
  So to answer your question, you will need to understand it.
• 34:11
  We need to learn about it. We need to see the reasoning why
• 34:17
  we need to look because you know, sometimes and it's going
• 34:21
  to sound very interesting, the advents leading up to IMA
• 34:26
  leading up to Rasulullah, the advents.
• 34:29
  So there was so many signs to showcase people about that.
• 34:32
  This prophet is the final prophet that will be arriving.
• 34:35
  And that's why you'll find when you go to Medina, who was
• 34:37
  waiting for him, The Jews were waiting for him.
• 34:40
  Why? Because there was always
• 34:41
  prophesized. The advents were there, the
• 34:43
  scriptures were there, the the detailed prophecies from
• 34:47
  previous prophets were there to establish that.
• 34:49
  Yes, prepare yourself for Rasulullah.
• 34:52
  Now I'm going to ask you a question.
• 34:54
  Is the final notion of all these prophecies just the arrival of
• 34:58
  Rasul or what he brought forward as a message?
• 35:00
  The latter. So they're saying the arrival of
• 35:05
  the Imam isn't just the main he goes the main beauty and the
• 35:10
  body of the Imam arriving is. His message on why it breaks?
• 35:15
  The rajah is going to be when it's established, the justice,
• 35:20
  they will carry on that establishment.
• 35:22
  So that's, that's a, that's a whole different, you know, like
• 35:27
  I said, but because say, let's be honest, let's be honest.
• 35:31
  Said Ali. We referenced this obviously a
• 35:32
  few weeks ago with Sheikh Sheikh Mahmud Abbas Panju and he talked
• 35:35
  about the the establishment of the whole civilization, how we
• 35:39
  will need the right people. She saw there's a there's a link
• 35:42
  here. We got a.
• 35:43
  Flashbacks for sure, because as the chef was referencing, we was
• 35:46
  mentioning that when he Mohammed, he comes out a lot al
• 35:48
  apology Sharif. It's as if he's buying a new
• 35:51
  system. It's as if.
• 35:53
  He's, yeah, he's reformed 100%. Society completely and say, you
• 35:58
  know, as you're Speaking of all of this I'm trying I'm just
• 35:59
  trying to imagine like what are other people thinking because.
• 36:05
  Probably the same thing I was thinking when I first read it.
• 36:07
  It's just like. The thing is, Johnny, I think
• 36:10
  for an average. It's it's an interesting one.
• 36:13
  I think we're an average human being.
• 36:14
  Like to understand this this average Muslim?
• 36:17
  Look, I, I, I think honestly, when you, when you begin to read
• 36:19
  it, like it intrigues a lot of people.
• 36:22
  Like I was, I was intrigued like I first read it, I was like,
• 36:27
  this is something new. You know, I was, I was 1718 at
• 36:32
  the time. I was just like, this is
• 36:33
  something amazing with it now literature that I've never heard
• 36:38
  it from the pulpit. And so you go on to this because
• 36:43
  let's say Faimah Mehti Ajal Atallah for a general Sharif.
• 36:46
  If you ask a normal Shia, how do you see the Imam?
• 36:51
  Many of them will have this vision of, you know, he's going
• 36:53
  to become on a horse. He's going to be wearing Arab
• 36:56
  attire. He's got the nicest turban, you
• 36:59
  know, like they have an image. He's going to come sword
• 37:01
  blazing. You know what I mean?
• 37:03
  That's that's their understanding of when my Imam,
• 37:06
  I've been told he's going to come.
• 37:08
  That's how he's going to come reality is he going to come on a
• 37:12
  horse with a sword allow on them, But that's what you're
• 37:18
  looking for. The understanding of of labour
• 37:22
  is very, very different when we're trying to prepare
• 37:24
  ourselves for the imam coming and we when we do I heard and we
• 37:28
  we, we, we do all that notable in the morning.
• 37:31
  Everything that we do is is to prepare for him.
• 37:33
  But how can we recognize him? You're not.
• 37:38
  That's the image that we have of him that's on horse is going to
• 37:41
  do. We could come across him in our
• 37:42
  daily lives. This kind of ties into the
• 37:45
  understanding of the hadith about the one who does not have
• 37:48
  the knowledge of the Imam that has the death of ignorance.
• 37:51
  Because if, if we, if we talk about the whole point of the
• 37:57
  Raja is to be raised amongst the unsiled of the Holy Imam, if you
• 38:01
  die a death without knowledge of the Imam, it surely is ignorance
• 38:06
  then because you've died not with the hope that you will then
• 38:09
  be raised amongst only Imam. So you've died unknowing and
• 38:12
  maybe even innocently ignorant or intentionally ignorant of
• 38:16
  what what the the Imam brings and who he comes with.
• 38:21
  So I think that's very interesting.
• 38:22
  In terms of the labour itself, obviously we have so much like
• 38:27
  you talked about the advent of the Salallah and I feel like the
• 38:30
  same thing of course, like you mentioned said applies with the
• 38:33
  advent of the the hall. You know the the preparation for
• 38:36
  the Omar, the house arrest of the Mahadi and Imam al Askari al
• 38:41
  Salaam meant that the community was getting there.
• 38:43
  The force of Farah that came, the letter to Abu Hassan al
• 38:46
  Samari 6 days before his death. These are all things which
• 38:50
  gradually prepared the, the Ummah, or at least the Shia to
• 38:55
  understand that the labor of the Imam is coming and that, as he
• 38:58
  said in the letter, you should not appoint someone after you.
• 39:02
  And that now we will begin the labor telecom like, you know,
• 39:06
  we've had, we've seen this, of course, in history, we've seen,
• 39:08
  as you mentioned, with the story of Sulla Muhammad Sulla.
• 39:12
  So what what I want to understand really is in terms of
• 39:16
  the, the time of Kharaja for us now living in the Khraiba, what,
• 39:22
  what there is there anything specific we can do?
• 39:25
  Because from my understanding, if you don't mind me saying, it
• 39:27
  sounds like there's a preference for the Shahada.
• 39:31
  I don't want to say it like that, but it sounds like the
• 39:34
  short love would be raised amongst because to re
• 39:36
  experience. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:38
  So, so you're saying that like, like I said, I I brought one of
• 39:42
  the traditions that we have that you could establish the fact
• 39:45
  that they are looked at to be over the Shahida.
• 39:48
  There are many people that have died in battle.
• 39:50
  They haven't come for the right reasons.
• 39:52
  And we know that from the sort of last stories many, many a
• 39:54
  times you come across and the mothers would be like, you know,
• 39:58
  my son is Shaheed also and says no, the the grave just squeezed
• 40:01
  him such as squeeze. And there's there's depends.
• 40:03
  Some people came just to predict their caravan.
• 40:05
  Some people did it for the wrong reasons.
• 40:07
  So only Allah knows who's the true on that path.
• 40:10
  So knowing that. That there could be a part of
• 40:15
  the people that returned. Yeah, but he doesn't he his
• 40:17
  preference and his wording of the Imam, he doesn't say the
• 40:20
  shahada. I said amongst those could very
• 40:23
  well potentially be the shahada in accordance to the ruai of
• 40:27
  Imam Sadaq al asam could be that they are part of it.
• 40:30
  But the preference was Mahabal Iman and Mahaba engulfed
• 40:35
  personified Iman and that could be absolutely anyone.
• 40:40
  You know, we pray that we are of those people, but that's,
• 40:43
  that's, that's a premise that he did give.
• 40:46
  So whomever Allah chooses to return to be part of that and
• 40:49
  bear witness to Allah's Kingdom, bear witness to Allah's ability
• 40:54
  to establish justice and eradicate tyranny on the hands
• 41:00
  of the Masomian. You know, and like I said once
• 41:04
  we because when you said it brings a new, you suggested it
• 41:08
  that it brings a new religion basically for civilization.
• 41:12
  There's a reason why I don't always say where you have called
• 41:14
  hack when he comes, Why does he have to showcase the truth?
• 41:20
  Because we're so far away, you know, OK, if I become, you know,
• 41:24
  how is it that it come a time when he says to one of his
• 41:28
  companions that visited Nisarakomo, Fasaka Shababukom,
• 41:32
  or there will come a time just to establish this, that you're
• 41:40
  women and men will go astray and you do not enjoy good and forbid
• 41:44
  evil. Will there come a time as well,
• 41:48
  I guess, Sharon Mendelik, because there will come a time
• 41:52
  where you will enjoin evil and forbid good.
• 41:56
  And he says not just that Sharon Mendelik, He goes, how is it
• 41:59
  there come a time where you see good as evil and you see evil as
• 42:03
  good. So when Imam Menti comes, you
• 42:06
  help will happen in the sense that and also last time, just
• 42:09
  like he came forward with the truth, the Abrahamic religions
• 42:12
  that were there that preceded that was so far away from it
• 42:15
  that he has to what's this new religion of yours?
• 42:18
  Imam Hassan, when he came for the the saying Allah, I come out
• 42:21
  and they're killing the grandson.
• 42:23
  So you had to establish it again.
• 42:25
  And my mind when he comes, when he comes forward, the religion
• 42:27
  help will happen. Means how much are we away that
• 42:30
  he has to come back and re establish what truth is.
• 42:35
  That's how deviated we've got been.
• 42:38
  Well, we'll perceive it as something new, but it's not a.
• 42:41
  New yeah, it's re establishing the, the, the actual truth.
• 42:43
  So that's, that's what we, our understanding should be that
• 42:49
  when like you know, with labour, it's such a lengthy discussion,
• 42:53
  but in labour our understanding has always been that Imam is
• 42:57
  away and he's waiting. He's in some traditions say
• 43:03
  Jezebel Khadrah and whatever have you.
• 43:05
  And it all has different explanations.
• 43:06
  But you know, when they give examples that the Imam is the
• 43:12
  inheritor of all those before him, you know, someone's like
• 43:15
  what's, what's the comparison to it?
• 43:17
  All the comparisons that he gives, which should re establish
• 43:20
  this fact of what labour means is they say that he's very much
• 43:24
  compared to Nabi Allah Yousuf in his labour.
• 43:27
  You know how many levels of labour Yousuf had the first
• 43:31
  level, his brothers, his brothers the first because
• 43:35
  labour means that they're conceal of either the person
• 43:39
  himself physically or the concealment of the the person's
• 43:49
  rank or position. So in that fact they were his
• 43:54
  brothers. They could see him physically,
• 43:56
  but concealed from them that he's a prophet.
• 43:58
  So because he was concealed aspect of labour, they went and
• 44:02
  tried to kill him. He they were concealed even says
• 44:05
  Ryabatu Job the second that he was physically concealed in the
• 44:09
  well that like if they knew that he was a prophet, you think they
• 44:11
  would sell him to that man for that much.
• 44:13
  They'll get a lot more for a prophet.
• 44:14
  Do you know what I mean? So and then he was concealed
• 44:17
  throughout people never knew he was no one knew he was a
• 44:20
  prophet. But what did he do?
• 44:21
  He established, he, he guided people, he ran a whole nation
• 44:28
  and then even his brothers came. They saw him physically, but
• 44:32
  they still didn't know him. So.
• 44:35
  So when they say they have the comparison to the Imam.
• 44:37
  Yusuf is one of the titles of our Holy Imam.
• 44:42
  So when you when you look at that and you begin to see that,
• 44:44
  yeah, there's a comparison, as Imam Sadaq says, from Yusuf in
• 44:47
  his labour. The comparison isn't it is the
• 44:49
  labour of how Imam is like that of Yusuf.
• 44:52
  Yusuf established, worked, prepared men that will be there
• 44:57
  in his reign, didn't he? In accordance to what we
• 45:00
  understand from the story of Yusuf, he prepared people to be
• 45:04
  in positions in his governance. This is likewise when Imam
• 45:07
  comes, people working, I'm like, I know this person, I've come
• 45:11
  across him, he's helped me, he's guided me.
• 45:15
  Why? Because he's amongst us.
• 45:17
  He's amongst us and there's many people that you you come and you
• 45:19
  see there's so many stories about people that have come
• 45:22
  across the Imam, but then they later on found out is Imam and
• 45:25
  they were always nearly in a state of their doing something
• 45:28
  bad always. So that gives us give you an
• 45:31
  example. So we don't take as an example,
• 45:35
  a person comes towards one of these Mystics and he asks them
• 45:38
  for as the story goes, something to do in order for him to see
• 45:42
  the Imam. He's a Sayid Imam of the Masjid.
• 45:47
  So the Mystic gives him something of worship to do
• 45:51
  yours. Inshallah, within the 8 month
• 45:52
  period, you'll be able to see the imam.
• 45:54
  So he goes, performs, performs, performs. 8 months pass, nine
• 45:58
  months, 10 months comes back to the Mystic.
• 46:01
  He goes and you told me eight months you'll see him.
• 46:05
  I haven't seen my imam. So he's like, I'll tell you.
• 46:10
  But first tell me about an incident that happened in the
• 46:13
  world area of your mosque. So I said, how'd you hear about
• 46:17
  that? He goes, oh, we have our ways.
• 46:20
  So he goes, what? I mean, it's embarrassing.
• 46:22
  He goes, what's it, Why is it embarrassing?
• 46:23
  You just tell me what happened. He goes, you know, I mean, the
• 46:26
  imam of the Masjid, I'm a sayyid son of a sort of lies in the
• 46:30
  area where everyone's making world law and it's crowded.
• 46:32
  He goes while we're in that area, a man comes from the
• 46:36
  outskirts, not very familiar face spoke Arabic and he goes,
• 46:47
  he entered and he sat, he sat next to me and I'm making my
• 46:51
  widow. So he goes, I had a he goes, I
• 46:53
  had a ring. He goes, that ring was on my
• 46:56
  little finger. So he goes to me.
• 46:58
  He looks at me and goes, see it. You know when you're making
• 47:01
  widow, it looks a little tight. So either you move it to make
• 47:05
  widows of the water to pass or when you make widow move it a
• 47:09
  little bit so the water can go through it.
• 47:11
  So he goes, I was outraged. Person comes outside my mosque,
• 47:16
  tells me how to run my mosque, how to perform my will do.
• 47:20
  I'm the top guy here, you know. So he took it as an offence,
• 47:26
  says how dare you. Got loud, got verbal.
• 47:29
  People started breaking it off. The guy, he's like, the guy was
• 47:31
  very polite, but he was like, you know, I'm sorry, I just
• 47:33
  thought I'd give you a piece of advice.
• 47:35
  Then he left, never saw him again.
• 47:37
  He was, as he's telling this scholar, scholar has TS like
• 47:41
  running down the street because you saw your Imam, but not how
• 47:44
  you thought you'd see him. Everyone around you could
• 47:49
  possibly be the Imam. So knowing that that I could at
• 47:52
  any time in my life cross paths with my Imam at any time, if you
• 47:57
  understand the concept of behaviour from yourself, at any
• 48:01
  time I could cross Imam. You should be like.
• 48:02
  May you come face to face. I should really watch how I
• 48:06
  talk, walk, look, speak at every moment of my life.
• 48:14
  So true, yeah, because normally when we think of labour and I
• 48:17
  think generic, I don't want to speak on behalf of everyone, but
• 48:20
  I think we sort of imagine he's not here on this earth, He's in
• 48:25
  the labour somewhere in the heavens, you know, in the seven
• 48:27
  heavens. And that's and that's why I
• 48:29
  think we don't think of these things in our day-to-day lives
• 48:32
  that yeah, we could come across the imam one day, you know,
• 48:35
  whether be in the mosque or be in the marketplace, wherever we
• 48:38
  that's true and that's true happen anywhere, right.
• 48:41
  And I think that's the reason why one many reasons as why we
• 48:43
  don't build Maratha. Imam Sahabad has to was the man
• 48:46
  is that OK? He's there.
• 48:48
  We'll wait for his return. And we don't want nothing more.
• 48:51
  It's our fault that we don't know the Imam.
• 48:54
  We've failed on that relationship and that connection
• 48:57
  and you know that bond 1 needs to create with Imam of of this
• 49:01
  time. And I, I know we're speaking
• 49:03
  about Labour right now, but I just want to go back quickly to
• 49:07
  Raja because the point I wanted to say is you've got.
• 49:11
  Another question, yeah. And I think it's a good
• 49:14
  question. And I, I feel like you're going
• 49:15
  to contemplate over it tonight. And I think it's going to relate
• 49:18
  to Labour now in a way you'll see is that as you are giving up
• 49:24
  all these examples, the Hadith, you know, Saddam, the Quranic
• 49:29
  verses, A lot of things started to make sense in my head.
• 49:32
  One of them being is for example, a Muslim is to bury
• 49:36
  another Muslim as well as the example of, you know, those who
• 49:41
  Inshallah will be counted as from Ansari mountain.
• 49:43
  Matthew will come back should they not be here during his his
• 49:47
  return. A lot of things one by one.
• 49:49
  And then something was striking me and I was like, when do I
• 49:51
  mention I think now is the right time is that we always hear of,
• 49:55
  you know, in a part of it with them and Maktou to be Karbala
• 49:58
  that that now makes sense to me. If you're telling me Imam al
• 50:02
  Hussain is going to come back and Imam al right, the Agila
• 50:04
  Talifani will be here and you're telling me some of the kafar
• 50:08
  will be coming back to revenge. I I think the equation is
• 50:12
  answered for me and all of this is starting to fall in place,
• 50:15
  but I really want to know a bit more about.
• 50:16
  This, they'll come and kill the killers of Imam Al Hussein
• 50:23
  Abdullah. So, you know, like if you take
• 50:26
  that and that just establishes the fact that could actually be
• 50:29
  them. And also whoever agrees with
• 50:32
  their principles, agrees with what they did, is fine with what
• 50:37
  occurred in Karbala. They are in the same absolute
• 50:40
  same circle but does have that establishment if those evil
• 50:43
  people do come back. Because a lot of people, you
• 50:46
  know, they belittle this. They're like, OK, Hussein
• 50:48
  Karbala happened. They're all dead.
• 50:50
  They're all buried. And let's let's let's say no one
• 50:53
  does appear. Come back.
• 50:54
  How's he going to take a stop? How's he going to take it back?
• 50:55
  I was. Going to take revenge.
• 50:57
  Yeah. Why?
• 50:57
  Why is it that the flag that he comes with is the same flag of
• 51:01
  Abdullah? Why?
• 51:05
  You know the people that you know are going to fall by his
• 51:08
  sword. And he says that they're cut by
• 51:11
  Shabba. He returns that I'm here to
• 51:13
  allege the blood of my grandfather who was killed
• 51:15
  thirsty in mother Luke. These the we always talk about.
• 51:20
  We've had a lot in the last few weeks about a connection between
• 51:23
  the Marmad Hussein and the Marmad Methi and what they share
• 51:27
  in common. And they they are one in the
• 51:29
  same values. Kind of go back to HEBA as well
• 51:32
  if you don't want, sorry. Because it's because it's
• 51:35
  intertwined. Yeah, yeah, it's intertwined.
• 51:37
  You mentioned about meeting the Imam, Yes.
• 51:39
  OK, So we've, like you said, we've all grown up hearing
• 51:43
  stories. I've heard stories that one guy
• 51:45
  told me, I met him in the elevator.
• 51:47
  One guy said I met him here. So obviously people say things
• 51:50
  Allahu Alam. How many of them are true?
• 51:53
  And Inshallah all of them are true and people have interacted
• 51:55
  on your Imam. Can a anyone meet the Imam?
• 51:59
  B. Is there any procedure or method
• 52:01
  or anything like that? Or do I have to unveil my myself
• 52:06
  with the Imam? Do I have to reach a certain
• 52:08
  level to have access to the Holy Imam?
• 52:11
  And if I don't encounter the Holy Imam physically during the
• 52:14
  period of Reba, how can I encounter the Holy Imam
• 52:18
  spiritually? Is there a way of of my
• 52:20
  conversation with him? Am I able to connect with him in
• 52:23
  some other way which I feel this like for like or he converse
• 52:27
  with me and I can converse. Do you see what I mean?
• 52:29
  Or do I have to get to a certain stage?
• 52:32
  So that's that's there's so much you can talk about there.
• 52:35
  Yeah, sorry. Because you know, because if
• 52:37
  someone comes and tells you, there is a established way to
• 52:40
  meet that your mum life. Comes easy. 100% everyone.
• 52:45
  Just does that. Yeah.
• 52:46
  Yeah, you have that. Visiting message to seller, you
• 52:49
  know, 42 days in a row, you know, you have these things that
• 52:52
  come. Yeah.
• 52:53
  To us have jumped around all of these things.
• 52:55
  So they say, will you see him? Like, do you think that he's
• 53:00
  going to come to you like that and say, there's no, I'll be
• 53:03
  like, yeah, by the way, I'm the imam.
• 53:04
  You know, you'll come across some way if you are given.
• 53:08
  Yeah, if you are given, then you'll know after he's left,
• 53:11
  probably he's there. And many of the stories that we
• 53:12
  do here. But one thing that is from one
• 53:16
  of the stories that's established is the veils you put
• 53:21
  upon yourself. So we have the well established
• 53:25
  tradition from us. Allah, if you were sinless of
• 53:28
  you did not go towards that which Allah forbade that you'll
• 53:32
  be able to see angels and shake their hands.
• 53:37
  So first establishment is we are veiling ourselves from the Imam
• 53:41
  through our actions. 1/2 is obviously the Imam of your time.
• 53:49
  He hears you, he sees you're the one that is from your end.
• 53:59
  You know, if, if anyone is your friend, you know, like if if you
• 54:02
  have a friend that you don't talk to once a year, how close
• 54:05
  is he going to be? And to a friend that you speak
• 54:08
  to every single day, Very different, very different.
• 54:11
  So you're establishing a connection with your e-mail, you
• 54:14
  know, like you ask little questions, you know, like do you
• 54:17
  wake up and say Salaam, I like, do you sleep, you know, with
• 54:22
  autocracy and gifting it to him? Do you ever pray to Rakaat, you
• 54:26
  know, Kalbatan al Allah and gift it towards Imam?
• 54:28
  Do you pray Sadaqa on his behalf for his protection?
• 54:32
  How often do you recite that I had?
• 54:35
  How often do you go towards places where nutba is resided
• 54:39
  and jointly as as as a front, remember and cry over the fact
• 54:44
  that he's not here as of yet and we are not ready for him.
• 54:48
  So just little things. You know, I remember there was a
• 54:51
  scholar that said, you see, you can see your Imam everywhere.
• 54:56
  If you really think you can't see your Imam everywhere he
• 54:58
  goes, here's an example. He said we say that.
• 55:02
  So I guess if you understand they're one of the same.
• 55:13
  How often do you open the Quran and see Imam?
• 55:17
  You want to establish your connection with the Imam and you
• 55:19
  haven't established your connection with the Quran.
• 55:22
  He says you can open the Quran and see him.
• 55:23
  Ahmed, you know, how often do we do that?
• 55:29
  So you can build a connection whether you see him physically
• 55:34
  or with the eye of your heart, to different discussions.
• 55:37
  Many of us focus with this physical eye that there's no
• 55:40
  benefit. But if we see him with the eye
• 55:41
  of our heart, our dynamic on a daily basis is very different,
• 55:47
  very, very different. You know, if someone really
• 55:50
  thinks about the fact that the eye that sees the Haram that
• 55:55
  Allah forbade cannot see that which Allah has ordained as
• 55:59
  beautiful, this heart that contains evil cannot contain
• 56:03
  that which is all of a sudden you begin to see.
• 56:07
  The eye can already see my path. You know, there's external
• 56:10
  prophets and there are internal prophets that guide us.
• 56:14
  It's like you've been and. You definitely will have it.
• 56:17
  You definitely will have it, but you need to start.
• 56:21
  And you come, you'll, you'll go and you'll come.
• 56:24
  That recognition of the Imam, you'd imagine then qualifies,
• 56:28
  insha'allah, qualifies us to be amongst those who are worthy of
• 56:31
  being raised with the Imam. Yeah, Allah the the yearning to
• 56:35
  be alongside him, the yearning to do everything in his way is
• 56:39
  an act of loyalty. Am I doing this job because I
• 56:42
  believe it will be in service to Hudi Imam?
• 56:44
  Am I raising my children in the way they they will be in service
• 56:47
  to Hudi Imam. If my whole perspective on life
• 56:51
  and my daily actions and my my vision for the future, the way I
• 56:56
  family plan and everything. If it's all with the Imam as a
• 56:59
  primary objective, his success, his service, like everything for
• 57:04
  him as a primary objective. You then live your life and like
• 57:07
  we said, he's you die a death of knowledge of the Imam and then
• 57:11
  you are worthy of being called to return to him because the
• 57:13
  Imam want people who have lived their lives in service to him,
• 57:16
  who will give everything for him, who will go where he says
• 57:18
  go and and do what he says. So.
• 57:21
  These are very important things for us to realize.
• 57:22
  I think you've you've like. You remember, have you ever?
• 57:27
  I've had Christian friends and I still remember this and I was, I
• 57:32
  remember I was about maybe 1415 when it kind of clicked to me
• 57:36
  and I had this friend that used to wear a, a wristband saying
• 57:40
  literally I had WWJD. And I was like, you know, I was
• 57:47
  like, there's some company that I don't know of, you know, you
• 57:49
  know, sometimes I feel like I live under a rock with all these
• 57:52
  new crazies every two seconds coming out.
• 57:53
  Yeah, but you know, 1415, you're like WWJD.
• 57:58
  What does that mean? Literally, you know, like, and
• 58:01
  he's like, no, we wear this. It's part of our faith.
• 58:05
  I'm like, what faith is that? He goes, I'm, I'm Christian.
• 58:08
  He goes, I'm like, I'm, you know, for me it's what's it's
• 58:10
  like literally it stands for what would Jesus do?
• 58:15
  So I'm like. That's nice.
• 58:16
  I was like. We need that like Australia, I
• 58:19
  was like, what would Imam Mehdi do?
• 58:22
  So Can you imagine we had that, what would Imam Mehdi do?
• 58:25
  Like if you really live your life, I mean, I, I, I remember
• 58:27
  giving giving a lecture a few years back and, and I gave the
• 58:31
  example I said, I said, if you want to see that what you need
• 58:36
  to perfect within your life, imagine for 24 hours, Imam Mehdi
• 58:40
  is with you just for 24 hours. He knocks the door on your
• 58:46
  house. Are you even going to open it
• 58:48
  for him? This is your Imam.
• 58:51
  Are you even ready to open your own house for the Imam, let
• 58:55
  alone if he tells you, you know, let's go towards your work.
• 58:58
  Let's see what you do in your work.
• 59:00
  Let's go towards the unique. Let's see how you act around
• 59:02
  people. Give me your phone.
• 59:03
  Let me come and have a look at your messaging, Snapchat or
• 59:09
  TikTok, whatever have you. So if you're not prepared to
• 59:16
  give that phone or take him on a walk, the same alleyway that you
• 59:20
  go or the same places that you go or whatever, restaurants,
• 59:25
  cafes, wherever you usually go in your daily practices, how you
• 59:30
  usually speak to people, would you still speak about it in the
• 59:33
  same manner if the imam was right next to you?
• 59:37
  Just being conscious of that should allow us to really
• 59:42
  understand where our faults lie and what to perfect.
• 59:46
  Just just that I think by itself, just that understand
• 59:49
  that Imam, we know that he's sees and he's we know that.
• 59:53
  How much do we just just put that one-on-one together?
• 59:55
  Like if he's here, what would I do differently?
• 59:58
  Yeah, I think it's been like, like I said, an eye opening
• 1:00:03
  lesson for us both in terms of the Raja.
• 1:00:07
  But I think it's important. I like the fact that we started
• 1:00:11
  on that because like you said before the podcast, it will
• 1:00:14
  allow us to understand what qualities we need to have now
• 1:00:18
  during the labor of the Holy Imam to then be amongst those,
• 1:00:21
  why she saw what I mean? Because then it's like now we
• 1:00:24
  have something tangible to say because a lot of people will
• 1:00:28
  think, oh, I'm praying for the Imams reward.
• 1:00:31
  What's the likelihood mathematically that in my 60
• 1:00:34
  forthcoming years or Inshallah Allah gives us that long life
• 1:00:37
  that the Imam will return if he's not been here for another
• 1:00:39
  country. People will say that on a
• 1:00:41
  mathematical basis. But of course things are much
• 1:00:44
  cheaper than that. And there's there's always
• 1:00:45
  opportunity for us. So we have that goal, Inshallah,
• 1:00:48
  to be amongst the inside of the Imam if it's in our life now or
• 1:00:53
  even after we die, to be raised amongst inside of the Holy Imam
• 1:00:57
  and to be the servant of the servants.
• 1:00:58
  I said Ali says I'm of the Holy Imam, I lay him, I lay his
• 1:01:02
  Salaam. So yeah, thank you.
• 1:01:04
  I know. Sorry, I know you are ending the
• 1:01:07
  point there. It makes you think like if we
• 1:01:09
  say we are lovers of Imam with Hussein, we didn't we want to
• 1:01:12
  see him on Hussein again. Honestly, in this world we
• 1:01:15
  didn't. We want to be beside him.
• 1:01:17
  Can you imagine? Talk to him?
• 1:01:18
  Did. You look at the imam and look
• 1:01:19
  tremble like you know that's enough.
• 1:01:22
  We can. Achieve.
• 1:01:22
  That but you know, like, you know, sometimes you think to
• 1:01:25
  yourself like I know that Imam can see right through me.
• 1:01:30
  You know, like am I at a stage where I'm happy with what the
• 1:01:33
  Imam sees or will I actually turn away and be like, no, no,
• 1:01:36
  no, no, I've done that much that the Imam would already know.
• 1:01:38
  So I can't look at him with these two eyes that I've seen
• 1:01:42
  other things or with this heart that has other desires besides
• 1:01:45
  Allah, because he sees so like just that thinking the fact that
• 1:01:50
  you're going to be in the presence of an imam that knows
• 1:01:54
  that really like strikes me as will I be when I if Inshallah we
• 1:02:00
  are ever given a chance. Yeah, Sharla.
• 1:02:03
  Will we be prepared for that gaze?
• 1:02:06
  Tarana in Iraq. Say what?
• 1:02:10
  What Last question for me? What source of information would
• 1:02:15
  you direct people to for further research or even for Labour?
• 1:02:19
  Is there anything which you found has been very useful so I.
• 1:02:23
  Tips or lifetime? Sure.
• 1:02:24
  Raj. Raj, a little bit more delicate.
• 1:02:26
  Yeah. This is the foundation.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Look, because you can go different alleyways.
• 1:02:32
  Yeah. So the first alleyway people
• 1:02:34
  would be like, I want to know. All I want to know is about the
• 1:02:37
  Imam in the very surface way, you know, how does he look?
• 1:02:45
  How tall is he? The mole?
• 1:02:47
  Is it in the right cheek? On the left cheek we have white
• 1:02:49
  hair, black hair. You know, what does is it like
• 1:02:52
  alien karma mean? You know, like, what does that
• 1:02:54
  mean? Is it going to come with the
• 1:02:55
  turbine? Is it actually going to come
• 1:02:56
  with the horses? You know, these little things
• 1:02:58
  that often elude people away from the actual core, you know,
• 1:03:02
  understanding they should have of the Imam, you know, like.
• 1:03:04
  We only focus on the side. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:07
  You know, these are minor signs. You know, we try to add them up
• 1:03:09
  like he's he's, you know, this person's coming from Yemen and
• 1:03:12
  this is Khorasani and and this is, you know, so.
• 1:03:17
  But Are you ready? Like, OK, you can see the signs
• 1:03:19
  it might be going in that direction.
• 1:03:20
  But Are you ready for when he comes?
• 1:03:22
  How do we know? There were Muslims on either
• 1:03:24
  side of Karbala. There were Muslims on either
• 1:03:27
  side. There were those that had both
• 1:03:31
  of them, by the way, Omar al-Assad as an example.
• 1:03:33
  And both had governorship's promise to them.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah, both Ray and Khorasan were both promised.
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  They both had men under them. They both had desire thrown in
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  front of them. You know, how do I know that
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  when a desire comes in front of me, I won't slip?
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  Yusuf had if, if many of the men would be in front in that
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  situation, many of them would slip.
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  We reduce this to like, yeah, of course that's what it does.
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  But you go towards the imams. The imams and a sin is mentioned
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  in front of them. It says we seek refuge in Allah,
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  you know, for us like no, no way, you know, like me do that
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  sin or do that then I'm saying we seek refuge in Allah, you
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  know, and they're infallible. So the perfection of oneself.
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  That's that's the reason why it's the greatest jihad, this
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  and this, this multitude of reasons of why it's the greatest
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  jihad, you know, and whoever knows themselves can perfect
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  themselves. So once, once you identify the
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  faults within you, you know, you can have people around you that
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  can identify for you. You know, that's why we say a
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  believer is like a mirror because you can see your faults
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  through them that you may not see.
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  So surround yourself with people that can guide you towards the
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  Imam and not surrounding yourself with people that take
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  you the other way. So there's a lot, there's a lot
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  to yourself, your circles that you create, your job, you know,
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  eliminating the environmental factors.
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  There's just sin, sin, sin, sin. Shaytan is just in every
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  absolute angle. But just like you can see that
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  shaytan at every angle, you have an opportunity to fight against
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  him if you are able to see through the eye of your heart,
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  the Imam at every position as well.
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  Shala shala. But William, we have that
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  marathon and Charlotte, we can build on that relationship and
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  that connection with our living, breathing, listening, talking
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  imam. That is in and around us.
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  It's. Our fault, if you know.
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  Similarly, we say Karbala and Imam Hussain being so far like,
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  yeah, like we have an opportunity to do that with Imam
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  and men. Very true.
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  But it makes you wonder. It makes you think.
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  You said so much nice points from the beginning until now
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  throughout the discussion. It's just making me think how
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  can I see Imam and Mehdi if my eye sees that which is unlawful.
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  For example, how can I have a conversation with my Imam if
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  this tongue utters that which this please?
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  Accent, accent. It's down to us and it's up to
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  us. If we want that.
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  We have to work for it. This life is not easy, but
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  doesn't mean we don't work for it.
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  Yeah, and just because, OK, we go to work, we're good with
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  family, blah, blah, blah, everything should be OK.
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  No, we have to do more. Have to.
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  I need where. Where, where's the struggle if
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  everything's easy? Yeah, yeah.
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  That's the whole point. Where's a true test?
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  Life is a test and this is part. Of it.
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  And this is our mission statement.
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  Sure, other Muslims perhaps don't have that.
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  That vision, that goal, that mission, that end objective.
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  Do you know what I mean? We are Shia.
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  We are Shia of the medi. We know what our goal is, who
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  we're working for, what we're aiming for.
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  Or at least we know what it should.
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  Be. But what Lie this We lie the we
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  lie. We can't.
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  We can't talk about it enough. Honestly.
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  Yeah, like there's this discussions I was listening to
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  and I'm just like, you know, we have this tradition that says if
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  people actually contemplated over the story of Adam and
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  Iblis, you know, we wouldn't have all these conflicts because
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  I ask a question. Yeah, we hear the story of Iblis
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  and Adam. Yeah.
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  Can you say Iblis didn't worship?
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  No one worships as much as Iblis 6000 years.
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  And when Ali says he doesn't know from this world or from the
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  6000 years of that world, yeah, so he has the weight.
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  Or when he says submit to Adam, Yeah, just like in Radir Khan,
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  Allah says submit towards alib, Nabbit alib.
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  Yeah, arrogance. Refused Imama.
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  They refused Imama. Yeah.
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  So just just little things there, you know, like.
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  Well, we could easily, like you said, said the lesson's all.
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  There. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you're right. And.
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  We can, we can, we can reject the Imam of our Imam.
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  We may well be doing that, unfortunately passively at the
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  moment, rejecting the Imam of Imam Mehdi.
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  You know, if we don't take it and day-to-day kind of take it
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  forward, I certainly would say that.
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  Thank you so much Habibi, for everything, for the knowledge
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  we've gained from you, not just today, but obviously the.
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  Last Habibi, Habibi, I've I've gained just as much as from you
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  as you have from me. Habibi.
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  No, no much. I don't know every episode.
• 1:08:30
  Would you say it's there's a lot?
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  Of like it's it's it's a it. Feels like home, OK.
• 1:08:35
  Habibi habibi, habibi. Not about what what I truly want
• 1:08:38
  to say. Like every time we've had a
• 1:08:39
  conversation with you, even off the podcast, say there's like
• 1:08:42
  you, you, you leave like a good impact where I'm not just going
• 1:08:47
  to say yes knowledge, you know, you're very relatable and
• 1:08:50
  there's like a unique sense of delivery that you have that I
• 1:08:52
  can understand. Hi, baby.
• 1:08:54
  I'm not saying. I feel like.
• 1:08:57
  We're going to have discussion after the broken down.
• 1:08:59
  Has to be one of the most complex theories on the
• 1:09:04
  aftermath of the podcast. It's such a Hamden.
• 1:09:07
  Last as as long as in in Charlotte and Charlotte.
• 1:09:10
  So we're going to know from the comments about it, it makes
• 1:09:13
  sense. Inshallah it did to us.
• 1:09:16
  Maybe we'll do a follow up. One no Raja 2.0.
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  Two .0. Yeah, there's also a lot of good
• 1:09:21
  useful information on slab.org for those who want to deepen
• 1:09:25
  learnings. But also obviously it's it's
• 1:09:27
  it's very what's the word? It's like an overview of the
• 1:09:31
  different opinions. And of course, like the same
• 1:09:33
  mentioned at the beginning, this is something which is highly
• 1:09:36
  technical and therefore it's like, you know, it's rarely
• 1:09:40
  spoken about, I think on a mass scale because of that reason.
• 1:09:45
  But it's very important for us to know about it and also work
• 1:09:48
  towards it as part of our time. Now in the paper sounds upset.
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  Thank you baby, Thank you for having me everything.
• 1:09:54
  Shala, we will see you again. In the next episode, whenever
• 1:09:59
  that is, Shala shala shala shala, Abhi was saying.
• 1:10:03
  I just want to say thank you so much for your time.
• 1:10:05
  And of course, these are good memories we have as well as I
• 1:10:11
  know the audience, the listeners and the, you know, the viewers,
• 1:10:14
  they, they, they learn a lot and it's something that we can take
• 1:10:18
  on throughout our lives. Again, I'm going to say another
• 1:10:21
  point just because you're just because you're here is not why
• 1:10:23
  I'm saying it. But even when we have a
• 1:10:24
  discussion here and after a month, we've referenced you so
• 1:10:27
  many times in our discussions, whether we didn't get back to
• 1:10:30
  previous episodes we have or conversations we have outside of
• 1:10:33
  the podcast with yourselves. Hi, baby.
• 1:10:35
  Yeah, Andy, it's I don't know what to say.
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  I just want to say may I lost panel.
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  I'll give you the top view. Hi, baby.
• 1:10:41
  The opportunity to continue to serve this beautiful religion,
• 1:10:44
  this amazing faith we have. And if we have more people like
• 1:10:48
  say, Abdullah Naheb, that many of us can be inshallah inspired
• 1:10:51
  to know the Imam of our time and to have Maharafa with the Ellen
• 1:10:54
  Bait. That's all I learn and lost
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  panel. What's?
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  On Central. All right guys, I hope you
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  enjoyed that. Hit the subscribe button and
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  make sure to stay tuned for next week and inshallah we will be
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  back then. It's not what?
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  I need.