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Most Toothpastes Don’t Work | What Your Mouth Can Tell You About Gut & Brain Health | Dr. Sanda Moldovan · Everyday Ancestral with James Barry

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  Welcome back to everyday ancestral. Most people think oral health stops at brushing and flossing.
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  But what if the mouth is actually the missing link in our modern health crisis?
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  Today's guest Dr. Sanda Moldovan is a pioneer in regenerative dentistry.
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  Someone who believes the mouth isn't separate from the body, it's the gateway to everything that
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  happens inside it. In a world where we're losing jaw structure, fighting chronic inflammation,
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  and living completely disconnected from our ancestral biology, your mouth is the earliest warning
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  sign that something deeper is off. This conversation isn't about teeth, it's about your microbiome,
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  your immunity, your brain, your nutrition, and the way you breathe, eat and live. If you want
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  to understand the future of health, you need to start where the health actually begins.
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  The mouth. Dr. Sanda, it is a pleasure to be talking to you. I am so excited to cover this topic.
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  How are you today? Great. James, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to talk to you today.
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  Yeah, let's cover right away a topic that's near and dear to my heart because I am an unprofessed,
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  like a lot of people don't know this about me, but I am a toothpaste fanatic. I really do try
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  every toothpaste out there to see what is going to give me that best clean. And I know you have
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  an opinion on how people should be picking their toothpaste and maybe even what toothpaste you
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  recommend. So let's start there. Yeah, for sure. And I'm curious, how do you choose whether or not
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  you like a toothpaste? Is it by the flavor? Obviously you're a chef, so maybe you're looking at flavor
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  or just the clean that you're looking for? You know, for me, I would say the clean is, well,
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  probably ingredients would be first clean, that clean taste where I don't feel like I might
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  teeth weren't brushed, you know, five minutes later. Yeah, I would say those are the two,
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  you know, and then I guess taste would be third. And I also tend to not gravitate towards like
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  sweet flavors like I like more minty. I find that even the really like clean, I'm saying clean
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  with quotation marks, but like the ones that have all the natural ingredients, I find sometimes
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  doing what I want. And it's the more recent toothpaste that have the, and I don't remember the
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  ingredient, but it's the ingredient that's like your teeth. Yes, the calcium hydroxyapatite. Thank you.
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  So that's the ones I'm finding work better than the natural toothpaste that don't have it.
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  Yes, I agree with you 100% because I'm a big fan of calcium hydroxyapatite,
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  mostly because it actually has been shown to strengthen the enamel. And what's the enamel is that
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  outer layer of the tooth, which is highly mineralized. And in the nanopores of the tooth, calcium hydroxy
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  can actually go in there and repair, especially after we have like an acidic diet, for example,
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  even let's say eating an apple, you know, that a city from the apple actually can start to weaken
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  the enamel. And then when, especially when we have dry mouth, the saliva is not there to
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  remineralize because that's what saliva does. So calcium hydroxyapatite is a treatment or in a
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  toothpaste or tooth powder actually helps to fill in that damage that's done by acidic foods.
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  Nice. So is that kind of the ingredient that is your go-to or what are some other things people
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  should be looking for when they're purchasing toothpaste? Yes, you know, I think a lot of people
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  use toothpaste because it's just out there. But personally, I prefer a tooth powder because
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  less filler, just like, you know, the food has fillers, so does toothpaste. So a lot of the
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  toothpaste can stain glycerol or glycerine. And glycerine is usually about 70 to 80% of the
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  tube of toothpaste. So glycerine is actually a little bit oily just by nature. And it doesn't
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  clean very well. And I feel like that's why in a lot of the natural toothpaste out there, you know,
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  I've used them and my teeth just don't feel clean. And I'm sure you've experienced this. Oh yeah,
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  it's got this and that and a lot of natural ingredients, but terrible at cleaning. What do you think of
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  those tablets that you kind of like chew on and then they become powdery in your mouth? What about
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  those? Yeah, you know, I've tried them and my biggest problem with them, I can't get them to fully
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  break down. And then I feel like I'm brushing my teeth with boulders, which is not a very good
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  PLA. So and full disclosure, I was actually working on a formulation of toothpaste myself. I have a
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  company called Orosana for natural oral care. So I was looking a lot into this in the formulation
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  of toothpaste. And what, you know, what do our teeth really need? So I love the clean of a
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  tooth powder. And interestingly in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, they actually had tooth powder on the market.
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  They even had charcoal powder on the market. And interesting, I had a comeback just in the last
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  few years to brush your teeth with charcoal. Have you tried any of the charcoal toothpaste?
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  I have. I mean, you know, it's hard for me to tell if they're really working that well, but I
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  did. I mean, it seems to me like sometimes you have to do it, you know, consistently, right?
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  With that specific toothpaste to really see a difference. But I have noticed a difference
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  with the hydroxy, I'm not saying it right. Hydroxyapatite. Yes, like appetite. But I have
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  noticed a difference with that. Yeah. So I like hydroxyapatite because it's a treatment for your
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  teeth studies have shown that it whitens the teeth as well. I feel like I know it's wider when I
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  use that. Definitely, definitely. And you know, there's always this debate is a micro or nano.
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  And for for whitening, either micro nano works, but actually to mineralize, we need it in the nano
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  format. Oh, interesting. Okay. And now fluoride, a huge topic still to this day.
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  We're starting to finally see, I think the federal government has said that they can pull it out
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  of water, municipality water. Yes. It's finally getting more looked at under the microscope. But I,
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  you know, when I was in culinary school, I remember learning, tell me if this is at all,
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  consistent with what you know, or maybe I was misinformed. But I remember learning that fluoride
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  was actually a waste product from the paper industry. Yes. Actually, you're right. It is a waste
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  product. And there's a great documentary called fluoride gate in which people that worked in
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  the government at that time were interviewed how to fluoride get in the water. They oppose the
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  emotion because it is a toxic substance. So they got like go of and fluoride ended up in our
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  water. Europeans have already banned fluoride. They don't have fluoride in their water because it
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  does crystallize the pituitary, which gland, which is not a good thing, it lowers the IQ in kids.
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  And we don't need it. We have something like calcium hydroxyapatite. We don't need fluoride
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  or a higher level of fluoride. So at the FDA actually pulled out all the tablets with fluoride
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  for children from the market just recently a few months ago. Because of the research,
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  more and more research coming out saying that fluoride is toxic for us. And I don't know if you
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  know people that have maybe kids, when you're growing up, they had this fluorosis under teeth,
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  meaning they have white or brown spots on the teeth from too much fluoride.
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  Oh wow. No, I don't know. What's interesting, if that actually happens,
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  that teeth become more brittle, not stronger, they become more brittle.
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  So it is unfortunate that it's taken these this many years to actually understand that fluoride
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  is not good for us. Like we have two states already, Utah and Florida, that banned fluoride from
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  their water. Unfortunately, the rest of the United States is still going through the motion. And
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  hopefully we're going to be fluoride free. It also affects something else that's not usually
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  talked about with teeth, which is fluoride affects your microbiome, correct? Absolutely. fluoride
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  affects your microbiome. And in not in a positive way, we see a growth of
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  bad bacteria and a reduction of the good bacteria, which we need. And not just in the mouth,
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  but mostly in gut health. Yeah, I think it's important. And this really brings us to why we're talking,
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  because it's like we can't just think of dental practices as an isolated bubble. We have to
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  look at it from a functional standpoint, which is the whole body, how the whole body works, right?
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  Exactly. No, absolutely. And in our offices, we actually filter the water,
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  and then we also need the water. So we don't even have fluoridated water in our water lines.
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  And we don't use fluoride at all. And this is a great way to tell whether or not a dentist is
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  actually holistic or biological. If they still offer you fluoride treatments in their office,
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  they obviously are still maybe just marketing as holistic or biological, but they're not really that.
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  I've been a dentist where I thought shame if I didn't use the fluoride.
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  I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, it does happen. They automatically after a cleaning,
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  they said, oh, you need those fluoride trays. Do you remember those fluoride trays?
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  With a bunch of foam in it, they put it in your mouth. You swallow half of it in the process of
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  treatment. But this is commonly given to kids here in this country. Why? Because it's a paid
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  insurance benefit. So what about other products like mouthwash?
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  I feel like waxed floss or coated floss is like, are we being duped with a lot of those items as
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  well or what should we be looking at if we are using any oral products? Yeah, that's a great question.
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  I'm a big believer in three steps to optimum oral health. And because why this works,
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  when number one brush with calcium hydroxyapatite, step two floss, either water floss or string
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  floss, and step three, pop in a tubal probiotic. And just this is mostly to regulate the microbiome layer
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  on the tongue and the cheeks, the back of the throat. I'm not a big fan of mouthwashers unless
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  people have gum disease and they're just being used temporarily to control inflammation of the
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  gums. Or let's say they had a surgery, people had a surgery and they need the mouthwash in order
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  also to control the bacterial accumulation over the wound site. But generally speaking, mouthwashers
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  are mostly for flavor for a lot of people. And unfortunately because of the anti-bacterial
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  properties, they end up destroying the good bacteria again back to the microbiome. And we see a
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  decrease in something called nitric oxide production. And why is this important? Nitric oxide is
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  important to regulate blood pressure. So mouthwashers like Listerine actually can have a negative
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  impact on the microbiome, which in turn may cause an elevated blood pressure in patients.
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  Interesting. So I mean, if that some people are getting misdiagnosed, you know, like because they're
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  not potentially the doctor is noticing the high blood pressure, but then it's not actually like
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  talking to them about what products they're using. They're just assuming it's salt or you know,
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  something like that. Exactly. And you know, a lot of times traditional medicine, they don't even
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  look, I say, what kind of foods are you eating? Or you know, maybe this whole wheat bread has an
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  effect on your blood pressure or whatever it is that's causing inflammation. So I think always going
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  back to the root cause and reestablish them in a normal microbiome makes a big difference and
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  somebody's overall health. What about oil pulling? I'm sure you've heard about that.
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  But maybe you can explain to people what it is in case they haven't. I've been practicing oil
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  pulling almost every morning now for like a month. And I find it really is making a difference.
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  But can you talk about oil pulling specifically? Yes. I actually was asked to comment quite a
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  few times on oil pulling. So I had to look into the studies of oil pulling and see what exactly
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  is it that we know about oil pulling? It comes from an Ayurvedic technique dated thousands of
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  years ago, aware they took sesame oil and they swish it back and forth between their teeth.
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  Untoasted sesame oil, I should say. Untoasted sesame oil.
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  Toasted sesame oil will be a little strong. So untoasted sesame oil.
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  Yes. And I guess as they use sesame oil at that time in India because it was probably readily
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  available. And when you swish it back and forth in between the teeth for 20 minutes, it actually
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  becomes a soap. That's one amazing thing. Like I remember actually my grandfather growing up
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  or Romania, he used to make soap out of fats like used to like melt fats and just make these
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  amazing soaps with it. So same kind of idea when you swish the oil back and forth has a soap
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  like effect and it starts to wash away some of the microbiome. It doesn't penetrate too deep
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  under the gum. So, you know, for people that have gum disease, this is not a full solution,
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  but it's definitely a good way to get the liquid or the oil in this case in between the teeth
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  because that's the real problem. You know, when I swish with it, also I could feel it going back
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  and forth in between my teeth. And that's the correct way to do it, not just to swish normally,
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  but to actually feel it going through. So then as it's staying in the microbiome, the gums get
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  healthier. We do see that. In our or a sauna line, we actually have an ozoneated oil and I have
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  a big fan of ozone because ozone helps to reduce the time that we have to oil for or swish.
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  So essentially, ozoneated oil, we just need to use it for one minute versus, you know, the 20
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  minutes that is really one minute with that oil putting. Wow, that's a big difference. One
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  minute versus 20. It is. So you're originating the oil, what kind of oil are you using coconut?
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  Coconut oil, yes. And there's different oils being used like olive oil coconut. Coconut can get
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  a little solid at room temperature, especially in the colder winter months. So that's why some of
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  the companies are actually mixing it with some olive oil. So it's not plain coconut oil. So you don't
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  get that solidification. I don't mind the solidification because I find that it, you know,
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  your mouth warms it up so quickly, but I like that I because I can control how much of it I put
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  in my mouth versus getting much. So I kind of I don't personally mind it, but that's that is
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  interesting though that they're adding olive oil. Can you talk a little bit more about
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  ozoneation? I go to a functional dentist and I know that when they're doing any procedure,
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  they're actually putting the ozone air into the mouth. They're doing a lot more than just,
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  you know, using oil. So can you talk about how you use it and why? Yeah, definitely. I mean,
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  I'm a big fan of ozone. And I think about when I travel, I have this little tumbler. It's like
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  a little cup essentially with stainless steel. You can ozoneate water on the go, which is awesome
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  because ozone is a great disinfection tool in the form of water. So essentially, on contact,
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  it kills not only bacteria, but any kind of micro viruses even and also parasites and fungus
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  on contact. That's why in the mouth where we're dealing with trillions of microbes in the form of
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  biofilm, it's so important. So we use it in our water lines and forms of ozoneate or water,
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  but as you are mentioning, we also bubble it at the gum level or a lot of times when we're doing
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  a filling. And why? Again, because we want to sterilize the area that we're working in just to
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  kind of give the immune system a chance to just, you know, kind of relax for the mouth and just
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  reduce bleeding. And it oxygenates the side. It does a lot of things for the oral environment.
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  So how do we use it in a form of gas? You know, dental offices typically require special
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  training and machines. And we titrated with oxygen. We have like a little straw, essentially,
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  that we, and medical oxygen. So then when we do, let's say, a filling once a cavity is removed,
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  there's still microbes there. Can't see them with the naked eye. So we take ozone and actually
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  bubble it right on the surface of that tooth. And we, we see a turning white pretty much immediately,
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  which is unbelievable. You know, especially when somebody has a stain, like a brown stain,
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  we bubble ozone and it just turns white. What do you think most people are misunderstanding about
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  the mouth that completely changes how they should think about a whole body health? What are we
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  getting wrong here? Number one, we already spoke about the oral microbiome. A lot of people think,
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  let me sterilize my mouth. And I see people using a lot of strong antibacterial. I want to get my
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  mouth sterile. But that's the wrong way of thinking. We need, you know, to nurture our
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  positive bacteria or good bacteria. And if we have a good diet, a good amount of fiber,
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  good oral hygiene habits, we don't need to use strong antibacterial. Because there's this
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  symbiotic relationship between our good bacteria and ourselves. We know there's 10 times more
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  bacteria on our, on and in our human body than actual cells. So, so we need to treat them well.
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  I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions. You know, we need to just sterilize our mouth,
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  but we really don't. Because that bacteria, that's friendly. We're doing our hands as well,
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  right? Our environment as well. We're just sterilizing everything. Yes. And like you said,
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  it kills the good and the bad, right? And actually, when we kill everything in the mouth, people will
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  actually start developing irritation and sores in the mouth. I've seen it. I've had people even
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  like with natural products like tea tree oil. For example, tea tree oil is strong antibacterial.
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  So, I had people put it straight on their gums and they came in with like burns, with little
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  burns. Because you know, it's too much. We don't need that kind of level of disinfection.
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  So, what is good oral practice? Like, should people be doing it for a minute, each
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  the top bottom, how often? Like, what is it from your perspective that we should be doing on a daily
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  basis? Yes. And I actually didn't learn about this to later on in life myself, growing up in
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  Romania. I didn't even know what floss was. So, I didn't know that cleaning in between the teeth
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  is so important. I ended up with a bunch of cavities. Super, super important to clean in between.
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  Just like imagine like you're washing your hands, right? With your fingers stuck together,
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  you're not going to clean the dirt in between. It's the same idea. We have to clean in between. So,
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  let's say you're in a rush, it is more important to clean in between than on the outer parts. Why?
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  The outer parts of the teeth and the inner parts towards the tongue, they get cleaned easily with
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  the foods we eat, especially if you're eating something fibrous. But unfortunately, in between,
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  the bacteria is free to grow unless we disturb it. So, how do we clean in between? Many different ways.
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  You know, string floss, of course, has been around since the 1850s. So, that's like the original thing.
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  But I love water flossing because studies show that it works better than traditional floss.
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  And people tend to have an easier time using the water floss versus a string floss.
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  A lot of people don't floss correctly and that becomes also a problem.
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  Right. Because sometimes what they're doing is they're flossing the teeth, but then they keep
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  using the same piece, right? The same section of the floss. And then they're also sometimes pushing it
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  up instead of curling it down and getting it out, right? Exactly. You got to like curve it like a sea
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  in order to floss correctly. And I don't see, you know, I even, you know, watch some people flossing
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  and it just goes straight up and down exactly going all the way around. And it's not the correct
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  way to floss. That's why I feel the water flosser is a much better tool. Not only cleans in between,
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  but it cleans all the way around 360 degrees. And it has what I like to call gum fitness, meaning
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  that pulsation of the water jet as it's working on the gum. It actually helps to tighten the
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  collagen fibers. So all my patients that are using a water flosser regularly, they have much tighter
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  gums. There's so many questions, but I want to stay a little bit on the practical side at the moment
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  because I feel like this is going to really immediately help people. Let's talk toothbrushes.
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  So there's lots of different options. What matters to you with a toothbrush and why?
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  I always like to go like, what is the research show? And then I'll talk to you about the practical
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  side, right? Because research sometimes only shows us so much. Being a periodontist, I remember my
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  residency. We had like, I think a couple of weeks where we had to read all the toothbrush studies
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  that weren't done over a period of 50 years. But you know, it's good to know what is available.
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  So what kind of brushes do we have? We have the manual brushes and then we have all sorts of
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  different electric brushes. The best technique that we have for a manual brush, and by the way,
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  a manual brush can work just as well if not sometimes better than an electric brush.
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  Manual brush, the important thing is we want to use it in a like a small circular motion so that
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  the bristle actually go and sweep underneath the gums. Super important. People do just brush
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  up and down vigorously and sometimes just push the gums up or lower here to create recession.
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  So small circles, okay, super important. And kind of about 45 degrees into the gum technique is
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  super important. Now we have of course electric brushes. Some people do really great with them.
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  And some people even need them, especially the people that don't have the manual dexterity,
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  people that have arthritis, they do much better with an electric brush. And so we have sonic
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  type brushes and we have rotational type brushes. They want to just spin, you know, side to side.
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  Sonic type brushes clean better generally from the studies we have than the rotational type brushes.
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  The rotational type brushes tend to be a little bit too abrasive, and I don't recommend it
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  for people with thin gums. Now the sonic type brushes do really well, but you have to still move
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  them around, you know, people just miss the gum line and they're not going to clean at the
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  gum line. So we got to make sure we take it also close to the gum line. Super important.
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  Isn't there a mistake that some people are making with the sonic ones where they're
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  treating them like normal brushes, but where? Because it's a sonic, you actually have to,
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  as you said, you have to kind of keep it in place for a moment and then move it and then keep
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  it in place for like, it's not about just brush, brush, brush. It's like moment, moment, moment,
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  moment, moment all on the same tooth and in the different area. Exactly. That's exactly right.
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  It's technique sensitive as well. And I've actually seen people that tell me they have a sonic
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  brush and I look at them, I'm like, are you brushing? Because number one, I think they're too gingerly
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  about how much to touch the tooth and they're not putting it in the right place. And then they
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  forget to change the brush head. And if the brush head is cut all kinds of gunk at the end of it,
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  it's not going to vibrate as readily as a new brush head. So we got to make sure you change the
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  brush heads, you know, as the company recommends. What about bristle, softness, medium,
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  hard? What are you typically recommend or are you basing that off of the gums? Yeah. Now gums don't
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  need hard tooth brushes. It's a little bit too much for the gums and that's we can get some
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  gum erosion with brushing, especially if we do it twice a day every day or over the year as it
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  could take a toll. And I know there were actually some more bristle brushes a few years ago that I
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  found on the market, which are natural bristles, but those were so hard, those were too hard for the
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  gum. So I prefer softer type of bristles, but not soft to where the point they just not cleaning.
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  Because a toothbrush should actually be able to clean without toothpaste.
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  It should be able to do that. So when the bristles are way, way too soft, then that's not going to
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  happen. So on the soft to medium side, I would say that would be ideal. I like, you know, the
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  toothbrush heads to be very, very fine at the end, because when they're very fine, they can actually
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  sweep easier under the gum. So the toothbrush that I designed for or a sauna actually has two
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  millimeters of the tip of the brush is super fine to sweep under the gum and the rest is like a
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  soft medium so that they don't lose their strength. What foods actually build strong teeth,
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  healthy gums, resilient bones, and how does that compare to what people are eating today?
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  Yes. Well, I'm glad you're asking this question because I was just looking at Western price.
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  Western price wrote a book about the generation of the jaws. And this is back in the 20s and 30s
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  when he was doing research in the Amazon for, and they were looking at tribes. And he actually
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  has pictures of people's teeth and they had beautiful straight teeth, all 32 of them, including
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  the wisdom teeth perfectly erupted. And then he looked at our Western population and he noticed
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  that we already had crowding and you know the teeth who just weren't fitting and the teeth were more
• 27:37
  brittle. And another interesting thing is like the tribes, they don't have cavities. So he looked
• 27:46
  at the diet to see what people were eating and he actually noticed that people in the tribes eat
• 27:54
  actually more organ meat. When he actually found that the people, the people's teeth and the
• 28:03
  tribes contain four times the minerals and water soluble vitamins, then teeth over in a Western
• 28:12
  world. And their diets also contain 10 times the fat soluble vitamins, A, D, and what he called
• 28:20
  Activator X. Yeah, exactly. And he was looking at a butter organ meats, eggs and animal fats,
• 28:31
  super important to eat those. But you know, unfortunately with a low fat diet fat that we had in
• 28:39
  the last few years that really didn't help us with the teeth as well as we're stepping away from
• 28:44
  eating organ meats more than ever. What I'm curious about though is like did ancestral tribes
• 28:53
  did they use things to brush their teeth with, you know, or was it purely just diet like and where did
• 28:59
  we go wrong? Yeah, they were using, they actually used sticks mostly to brush their teeth and chew
• 29:07
  on them. And there are fiber in their diet is a lot higher than what we're getting. You know,
• 29:13
  they get like 80 grams of fiber in their diet. I think we're lucky here if the average American gets
• 29:20
  10 to 15. So big difference. I think fibers really help to clean the teeth as well as the stomach
• 29:27
  walls. We also have a lot more gut issues today than we used to also. So and the mouth is always a
• 29:35
  reflection of what's going on with the GI tract. So as with the introduction of processed foods
• 29:43
  which does not exist in the tribes, processed foods, especially sticky foods, let's say
• 29:50
  crackers and cookies, they just stick to the teeth. And those become feed for bacteria essentially
• 29:58
  for cavity causing bacteria. Interesting. Is it true that the earliest signs of chronic disease,
• 30:07
  like heart disease, diabetes, cognitive decline actually show up in the mouth first?
• 30:13
  Yes, we do see that. There's a lot of things are imbalances that first we notice in the mouth.
• 30:19
  For example, bleeding gums. So bleeding gums can be actually a sign of low vitamin C.
• 30:28
  And in the past, these to be like scurvy, that was actually a severe deficiency.
• 30:34
  The way just gums bleed spontaneously. But even today, like sometimes I talk patients,
• 30:41
  what are you eating? I see government inflammation. We're trying to treat it, but it's not going
• 30:44
  away. And sure enough, they're not getting enough fresh, treat some vegetables with vitamin C
• 30:50
  comes for more organ meats for that matter. But as soon as we increase their vitamin C intake,
• 30:56
  we actually see everything healing, including gum bleeding.
• 31:01
  So I've heard before that if you have a minor cavity, you can actually heal it or repair it or
• 31:10
  fill it just through changing the diet. Yes, I see it all the time. Really? Can you talk about that?
• 31:20
  Yeah, if we give the body the right environment, it wants to heal always. It wants to achieve balance.
• 31:28
  And what do we do to create a better environment? Well, we have to look where do cavities come from,
• 31:33
  especially small cavities. Definitely, diet is a big one. So processed foods, sugars,
• 31:40
  chocolate is okay, by the way. A lot of people ask me about those. You can still have chocolate.
• 31:43
  Chocolate is not sticky on the teeth and it doesn't stay, but anything that's processed and sticky
• 31:48
  that that grabs onto the teeth, that's bad. And then also we have a decrease in minerals. So we're
• 31:57
  not intaking the right nutrients. So and then we people develop leaky gut and now we have an
• 32:06
  absorption problem on top of everything that they're not getting the right nutrients. Because if
• 32:12
  we're not absorbing the right nutrients, then the teeth cannot heal. So once we adjust these
• 32:16
  things, so cavities are also a gut issue. We we change their diet. We work with a functional
• 32:24
  doctor to get their gut health under control. We actually see teeth that are starting to heal.
• 32:30
  But the cavity has to be small. So for example, it has to be only in the enamel. Sometimes we see
• 32:36
  a little brown spot on the tooth. So if we start to work on, you know, a diet on a or a hygiene
• 32:42
  and then we apply some calcium hydroxyapatite in this area, we can actually see that tooth is healing
• 32:50
  and that hole is mineralizing. So we don't necessarily have to drill in the tooth.
• 32:57
  Interesting. So can you share some of the foods that you have people remove from the diet? So
• 33:03
  obvious ones obviously are like probably sodas, you know, anything overly sweet. You said things
• 33:09
  that are sticky. Assuming like hard candies or chewy candy, things obviously. What other food
• 33:16
  do you have crackers? Like you know, like like salteam crackers, you know how they stick to your teeth.
• 33:22
  Like things like that, breads, cookies, things that can stick to have like a a start to carbohydrate
• 33:31
  Okay. And then foods that you're inspiring people to replace, you know, put it back or put into
• 33:37
  the diet. So I'm assuming bone broth, any high nutrient dense food, organ needs clearly if they
• 33:45
  if they're willing to do them. Yes. But is it? Yes, it's not if not by pluck. Yeah.
• 33:51
  We make it in you. Perfect. Yes. Also, we want to do like a fish liver oil. So those are important
• 34:01
  because of the vitamin A, the retina, butter, also important. So the fats are super important for
• 34:09
  the formation of teeth and the mineralization. And then of course, something like dark leafy greens.
• 34:15
  Why? Because dark leafy greens have minerals in them that help with the mineralization.
• 34:20
  If someone is listing, they feel like their mouth is a mess. Where do they start? I would say start
• 34:26
  with home care. If you feel your mouth is a mess, start with home care. It depends which area of
• 34:31
  the, you know, country you're at. If you have a good holistic biological dentist, you know, that
• 34:37
  you like and trust, make a plan and ask them, you know, what's important? Do I have infections?
• 34:43
  They know to guide you in creating a priority plan to start tackling cavities and the gum disease
• 34:51
  potentially, an inflammation. That's one of the major difference between I would say traditional
• 34:57
  dentist and integrative dentist like our practice or biological. We look to see, okay, what
• 35:04
  in what areas in the mouth are actually creating inflammation in the body? Is there toxins there,
• 35:11
  such as maybe an unhealthy microbiome or mercury fillings that are causing somebody to
• 35:18
  to have, you know, brain fog, inflammation, drawing pain, low energy. It can't span from the mouth.
• 35:26
  If you could get the world to stop doing one thing, that's destroying their oral microbiome.
• 35:32
  What would it be? I would say stop putting mercury fillings in the mouth.
• 35:37
  Removing the mercury fillings, so that's important then.
• 35:42
  Oh, super important. I mean, you're a banned mercury already. Starting January 1st of this year,
• 35:48
  there's no more mercury being placed. Why? Because it ends up not just in our mouth, but it ends
• 35:54
  up in the water. It ends up in the food supply. It's kind of what constantly circulating, you know,
• 35:59
  this, you know, this toxin in nature and mercury affects cardiovascular health. It affects
• 36:07
  neurological health. I know because I suffered myself from high mercury levels. When I grew up in
• 36:14
  Romania, I had 16 large mercury fillings in my mouth. You did? I did. So when I actually opened my
• 36:21
  mouth, all you could see is silver. I was like, oh my god, I have all this metal. Yeah, I hated it.
• 36:28
  So how, what are you, do you have what they called fake teeth at this point or something?
• 36:35
  I like to fill every tooth. Pretty much. Yeah, 16 of my back teeth. I had all the mercury taken out
• 36:44
  and replaced. But unfortunately for me, I didn't know anything about biological
• 36:48
  dentistry at the time. So I just knew I was in my residence. Then I sat on my friend. You know,
• 36:54
  I don't like these fillings. Just, you know, remove them for me. I just want to wipe teeth.
• 37:01
  So he removed pretty much all of them in a short period of time. And what did you notice in your
• 37:07
  health? Oh, I didn't feel what a lot at all. I was like, lethargic. I had headaches. I'm like,
• 37:15
  wow, what's going on with me? And I didn't even relate it to the mercury fillings. I thought,
• 37:19
  I was just tired. And it wasn't until I actually met this naturopath. I was telling her, my
• 37:26
  damn, she said, you know, you should come over to the office. We do this urine challenge to us.
• 37:30
  Then let's test you. And sure enough, my mercury was off the charts.
• 37:36
  So when you removed it, how did your health improve?
• 37:42
  It took me a while to remove the mercury. It took me a couple of years. I tried IV chelation.
• 37:47
  I tried oral chelation. You know, oral chelation is definitely easier.
• 37:52
  Basically, it's down to cilantro, for example, is a great chelator.
• 37:58
  And during the chelation, especially IV chelation, I did not feel well at all. Because the body
• 38:05
  doesn't like to keep mercury in the blood. It keeps it in fatty tissues because it's safer.
• 38:12
  You know, it doesn't want to circulate into the brain. So that's one of the reasons why I
• 38:19
  decided, okay, there's got to be a better way to do dentistry because in school, I was never taught
• 38:24
  that mercury can make a toxic. So as dent, even in dental school, I was drilling on teeth and
• 38:29
  placing mercury fillings with no protection at all. So the mercury toxicity starts in dental school
• 38:36
  for a lot of people. Well, it's a good point. It's a good point because a lot of, we talk about MDs,
• 38:43
  how they don't get a lot of nutrition or if any nutritional education. So in dentistry,
• 38:51
  they're not teaching nutrition, obviously, either, correct? No, exactly. In my residency,
• 38:57
  I think I had one semester, one class of nutrition. And it was all about, you know,
• 39:04
  what are vitamins, what are minerals, and severe deficiencies, which we rarely see in
• 39:08
  this country. You know, severe deficiencies. But one thing that was not talked about is definitely,
• 39:15
  you know, toxins that were surrounded and how do we get somebody healthy? How do we protect
• 39:22
  ourselves? Is there any truth? This is something I remember a long time ago. I've been going to the
• 39:29
  price conferences for too long. I mean, not too long. You can't go too long, but I've been going
• 39:34
  for a long time. I remember there was this one speaker who taught, she had a book called Radical
• 39:40
  Health. And she talked about the meridians and how if your teeth are out of alignment, that there
• 39:48
  is a meridians or something that's connecting your teeth to your overall health, and when they're
• 39:55
  out of alignment, then that can also affect your overall health. Have you ever studied that,
• 40:00
  or can you speak to that? Yes, definitely. We actually have a meridian tooth chart in our office.
• 40:06
  And oftentimes when people come and I see mirror image teeth on both sides that I have rucanols,
• 40:14
  I always ask them, what's going on in that meridian? For example, one correlation we're seeing is
• 40:20
  women and breast cancer with rucanol treated tea in the premolar sites. And typically,
• 40:31
  like let's say if there's one rucanol on this side, be ended up with breast cancer on the same side
• 40:37
  of where the rucanol is. And Dr. Tennant also talks about this. He had a tumor on one side of the
• 40:44
  body related to a rucanol tooth on the same side. And once he removed that, you know, the tumor
• 40:50
  actually kind of result. So that's the interesting thing is that these meridians that start on the
• 40:57
  top of our head, they go through our teeth, through our organs, or maybe peripheries, and then
• 41:02
  go out through the toes. And when there's a blockage, let's say from an infected rucanol,
• 41:10
  or just a dead tooth, or a cavitation site, meaning like an area in the drawbone that has
• 41:16
  inflammation, the meridian doesn't function as well. I've had somebody that was linked, you know,
• 41:24
  she had a rucanol treated tooth, she had a pituitary tumor, it was on the same meridian.
• 41:29
  So I see a lot of these meridians corresponding, you know, to infected dead teeth,
• 41:38
  or rucanol treated teeth. How for those people that may not understand meridians,
• 41:45
  how can we kind of talk about them, explain them in a different way? Are we talking about,
• 41:50
  is it an energy kind of canal, or how would you describe that? What is a meridian exactly?
• 41:59
  Yes. So a meridian is the energy flow. And this has been documented from acupuncture.
• 42:08
  And we know, even there was a study at the NIH National Institute of Health,
• 42:14
  where they validated acupuncture. We didn't exactly, right? We can't see it, but we know that it's
• 42:20
  been validated and an acupuncture works. We have studies on this. For example, we treat
• 42:26
  meridians around the belly button, but then you feel it in your toes. I know because I get
• 42:31
  acupuncture and now I feel these differences. So the energy flow, just think of it as a lymphatic
• 42:39
  channel, right? Our lymphatic system, except that's physical. We can see that. But the energetic
• 42:46
  channels, they're the same. It's just the way our energy flows through the body.
• 42:52
  It's so interesting because I want to say like a year or two ago, I got this like,
• 43:03
  I had some kind of, I want to say infection, but I don't even know what it was,
• 43:06
  but something happened to one of my toes. I think I was on my feet too long. Something was going on.
• 43:14
  And I couldn't treat it. I didn't have the means to do anything about it for like three days.
• 43:23
  And that little thing must have been on a meridian channel because it jumped up into my leg.
• 43:30
  And I had this absolute infection on part of my leg. And it was the bizarre thing because it
• 43:38
  came out of nowhere. But the way that the doctor talked about it said, yeah, that can happen when
• 43:43
  it's connected to a meridian because it went from one area to another area completely seemingly
• 43:50
  unrelated, but it was part of that meridian channel. And I was like, it was a real big eye opener
• 43:56
  to feeling and experiencing that meridian. Yes. Yes. The human body is pretty amazing. It's nice
• 44:05
  that you have that experience. So you can connect with it. Well, luckily, I healed from it too,
• 44:10
  but yeah, I still have a scar though from that infection from where it was. Oh, wow. Yeah,
• 44:16
  because they had to actually open it up and clean it and all this stuff. It was, oh my god. That's
• 44:22
  a bad infection. Let's talk about root canals. So the way I'm hearing you talk about it, it sounds like
• 44:28
  no one should ever do a root canal, but it sounds like they're being recommended all the time.
• 44:33
  Yes. So this is my root canal story. I have my own personal story with this. You know,
• 44:40
  after having all these large mercury fillings, of course, I ended up with one root canal at a young
• 44:44
  age. And, you know, I didn't make anything of it. You know, I went through dental school. I had
• 44:51
  a retreated meaning going back in and cleaning it up. And what is a root canal exactly is a dead
• 44:56
  tooth. And in order for us to keep the tooth in the mouth, we clean out the nerve. We plug it with
• 45:01
  actually a corkscrew type material. It's from a corks tree called gara perch. And then, you know,
• 45:08
  sometimes we put a crown on it and we leave it alone. So I noticed that, you know, after learning
• 45:15
  about biological dentistry and root canals, my tooth was turning dark. On the extra everything
• 45:21
  looked good. The bone was fine, but then I would floss around it and I would get the smell on my
• 45:26
  floss. And the dentists were like, Oh, it's totally fine. You have no infection in the bone.
• 45:32
  Just leave it alone. But my intuition told me, and this is not good. I mean, this tooth smells,
• 45:37
  it's turning dark. So I decided to take it out. And actually, this tooth was connected to the
• 45:44
  meridian, the digestion. So for me, my digestion actually improved. And I didn't even think at the
• 45:50
  time that there would be a correlation between this tooth and my digestion. But not only that,
• 45:57
  I felt better. After I had this tooth out, I had more energy than I did. Looking into the studies
• 46:04
  of root canals, we know that a root canal treated tooth has 50 up to 50 times more bacteria inside
• 46:12
  of it than a healthy tooth. And if you ask the endodonic community or the root canal specialist,
• 46:17
  they say, well, yeah, but it's not clinically significant because not everybody. And also,
• 46:22
  what if the tooth is turning dark? It's still in your mouth. And it's not causing an infection.
• 46:26
  But does that bacteria circulate in the bloodstream? Of course it does. Of course it does. We know also
• 46:33
  from studies that people with root canal treated teeth, in fact, the root canal treated teeth,
• 46:39
  they have three, there are three times more likely to develop cardiovascular disease.
• 46:44
  Also from bacteria. So I am not a fan of root canals. I don't think we have the technology at
• 46:51
  looking at all the studies to truly clean inside the tooth once it's dead. Because that's the biggest
• 46:58
  problem once a tooth dies, bacteria takes over inside. And the methods that we have today
• 47:04
  are just not sufficient. Maybe in the future we'll find a way to fully sterilize the tooth on
• 47:09
  the inside and actually seal it properly. We just haven't gotten there.
• 47:16
  Interesting. So if you don't get the root canal or you have that dead tooth,
• 47:22
  then you get it removed, but you can't necessarily leave it empty because then the teeth will start
• 47:27
  to move. And then you're in the same issue around the meridians, right? So does that mean that you,
• 47:32
  like, what's the solution then? The best solution we have is dental implants. And that's what I
• 47:39
  have. I decided to choose that because I didn't want to go with the missing tooth. I want to be
• 47:43
  able to chew my food. And this is a huge part of health. The people have a lot of missing teeth.
• 47:47
  They'd end up not chewing their food well. And now they developed digestive problems. And they
• 47:52
  don't break down their nutrients. So it's important to have all the teeth. So dental implants
• 47:59
  replace missing teeth very conservatively. We just put it right in the place where the tooth is
• 48:05
  missing. And they can really last the lifetime that they're taking care of.
• 48:11
  What do you think though? So I have one dental implant because I didn't have an adult tooth
• 48:17
  under a baby tooth. And luckily the baby tooth was with me until I was about 20. Oh, I want to say
• 48:25
  like 21-ish or maybe it was even a little older 24. And it fell out and I chose to get an implant.
• 48:35
  But what shocked me and this is sort of tied to what I believe is sort of ancestral energy
• 48:44
  thoughts or practices, which is the jaw's sacred. It's a sacred energy. It's a sacred part of the
• 48:50
  body. And when they drilled into my jaw, which they have to do for an implant, I felt deep
• 48:59
  down into my bones that that was wrong. Like I didn't know it until they did it. But the minute they
• 49:03
  did it, I thought, oh my god, I just did something drastically wrong to my, you know, kind of my
• 49:10
  ancestral energy or whatever. My human, something just did not feel right about it. And I didn't
• 49:16
  understand it at the time. And I technically still don't understand it. I don't necessarily feel like
• 49:21
  anything's wrong now, you know, 10 years later. But in that moment, I felt like I had done something
• 49:29
  just, I dishonored something sacred. Have your birth looked into that or studied that or
• 49:34
  thought about that? I haven't. But it might have to do also with the fact that maybe the material,
• 49:41
  material of your implant might not have be compatible with your body. It was the drilling
• 49:49
  specifically once the implant was in that time. But it was the actual drilling into the jaw that felt
• 49:56
  just energetically wrong to me. Yeah. That's sure. Well, when you think about it, it is pretty,
• 50:03
  yeah, pretty crazy that we some of the things we do, you know, and medicine today in order to
• 50:08
  replace not only teeth, but body parts. Right. We can replace shoulders needs this away when you,
• 50:14
  yeah. And it's interesting. You had that experience. When I had my implant, I didn't have that
• 50:21
  experience. I was too busy looking in the mirror, telling my friend where to drill the implant.
• 50:27
  Oh, really? Go because you wanted them. You were, I'd already understood meridians and you
• 50:31
  wanted to make sure it was correct. Yeah. Well, for me, I actually had a, it was a molar that it
• 50:35
  was removed and an influm placed the same, the same time. I didn't wait a period of time, you know,
• 50:42
  to, so, so the hole was already kind of there because I didn't require that much drilling.
• 50:48
  Oh, okay. That happens. Yeah. But yeah, it's like, I guess you are m in tune with your body and
• 50:56
  that's something that, yeah, your cells just were like, what's going on?
• 51:01
  Yeah, I think, I mean, I think, I think maybe what I felt, if I were to try to put words,
• 51:06
  do it is, you know, it felt invasive in a way that I don't think we're energetically designed
• 51:12
  to do these things. But to your point, sometimes, you know, we're doing the best we can,
• 51:18
  sometimes with modern medicine. And this is how we know to do it right now. And maybe in the future,
• 51:23
  we won't. And so sometimes it's very unorthodox. Sometimes it isn't an alignment with sort of
• 51:29
  sacred energies and stuff. But you're, what is the alternative? And in that case, I thought I made
• 51:36
  the best decision. I could because I didn't want a bridge because then they're hurting, you know,
• 51:40
  they're ruining the two teeth on the outside of that one. So going from one hole to then having three,
• 51:47
  you know, three parts of my mouth kind of have issues. So I thought I kind of chose the,
• 51:53
  you know, the best of a situation that I thought was limited, you know.
• 51:58
  Yeah, for sure. Our DNA, you know, it hasn't caught up to our modern life and the modern solution,
• 52:03
  I think. There's still some things that I think people tend to say around oral health.
• 52:11
  Is they'll say, Oh, well, I have just bad genetics because my teeth are the way they are.
• 52:16
  Is that true in your opinion? Are like our cavities a sign of modern diets rather than genetics
• 52:22
  or is it genetics and modern? Like what is your thought around the whole genetic, you know,
• 52:27
  excuse for why they have poor oral health? Yes. Well, I'm a big believer in epigenetics,
• 52:33
  right? We know that. But also the oral microbiome tends to be inherited as well. But it does vary
• 52:41
  with diets. So there's a lot of things we can do from our lifestyle perspective and choices we
• 52:47
  make in order to reverse it and not get cavities. Like if my mom and dad had heart disease,
• 52:57
  it doesn't mean that I need to go there because it's really their lifestyle choices that contributed
• 53:02
  to that. We know that it's preventable. Cavities are of an infectious disease. So we can find a way
• 53:09
  to measure the cavity causing bacteria and someone's mouth, reverse it, get rid of it, and maintain
• 53:17
  a healthy balance. To some extent, genetics plays a role in the formation of enamel and teeth.
• 53:27
  But again, you need other factors in order to get cavities. Just because the teeth may be enamel
• 53:34
  is more porous. It doesn't mean you have to have cavities. So yes, I think when I hear people
• 53:41
  let's say, oh, it's just my genetics, it's just an easy way to say, I don't want to do anything
• 53:45
  about this because there's nothing I can do. I want to just continue my bad habits and there's
• 53:50
  nothing I can do. You know, it's kind of like there's no power in that. With what we know today,
• 53:56
  we know yes, lifestyle change can be difficult, but it's not impossible and it could be really a
• 54:02
  difference between health and disease. It's a really good point. What about the whole like coating
• 54:10
  that I remember, the Alfred, my daughter when she was younger, like there's a coating to help
• 54:16
  support the enamel or something like that. That's what you thought? Like sealers, like sealers?
• 54:23
  Yes, sealers. Yes. Yeah. So we actually put those in the back, usually the molars on the
• 54:30
  top surface, they have grooves. So when we look at the surface of the teeth, especially when the
• 54:34
  kids, the teeth have just come in, they're very groovy. So they got all these little grooves that
• 54:40
  bacteria can accumulate. And dentists typically, if the grooves are starting to stay and they
• 54:47
  recommend to seal them. So they flow a little liquid in there that's actually hard and bite UV
• 54:55
  light. So that way bacteria doesn't get inside these grooves and it prevents cavities.
• 55:01
  Did that help your daughter with a cavity situation? Yeah, but I mean, both of my daughters have been
• 55:07
  cavity free so far, you know, fingers crossed, not on wood. Great. Yeah. So we find out the sealants
• 55:13
  definitely help. Okay, interesting. What are they made of though? We have BPA free sealants.
• 55:21
  Super important. Okay, not all dentists use BPA free materials, but there are out there.
• 55:28
  So it's just a matter of, you know, people asking for those. A lot of them are made out of plastic and
• 55:33
  they contain BPA, which is not good. It's machine or environment because it leaches out slowly BPA.
• 55:40
  And but you haven't found other issues stemming from these sealants, like, uh, uh,
• 55:46
  got issues or something from them that that it's if it's BPA free, that there's usually
• 55:50
  symptom free as well. Yes. Well, that's good to know. It's a good thing to do. It's a good prevention.
• 55:57
  What's the simplest daily action that protects the mouth and the brain that the person watching
• 56:03
  or listening to today can incorporate into their life? I think a simple daily action is flossing
• 56:12
  because people don't do enough of it. And that can prevent heart disease. It can prevent brain fog.
• 56:19
  You can prevent inflammation of the joints. Besides the fact that it'll prevent cavities.
• 56:26
  Flossing. There you go. It's the one thing that I have really worked hard on trying to get my
• 56:32
  kids to do. And I think I've scared them enough to finally do it. Excellent. It's sad, but I have
• 56:39
  to actually scare them. Like, you know, no, what cavities are like, you know, and I, if you don't
• 56:44
  like needles, we wait to get a cavity. It goes right into your gums and yada yada. But, um, I think,
• 56:51
  you know, I think we're getting them in and we do have the water pick, which helps, of course,
• 56:55
  because as you said, that makes it a little easier. Yes. Yeah. I have a final question for you.
• 57:01
  It's when I ask all my guests nowadays. Um, so if you could wave a magic wand and bring back one
• 57:08
  ancestral practice, what would it be? I would say eating organ meat, because it's so important for
• 57:18
  just our development. And, uh, it's so high in nutrients. You already know this, um, but growing
• 57:28
  up a Romania, we actually did eat quite a few organ meats, especially right around, you know,
• 57:32
  December when, uh, you know, usually an animal sacrifice for the end of the year feast.
• 57:39
  Everything is used. Everything is used. And, you know, I remember my, my parents and my grandparents
• 57:46
  making actually all kinds of organ meats, sausages and patties and, you know, things. We even had
• 57:53
  blood sausages in Transylvania. So I think, uh, that, that aspect of it, that ancestral practice,
• 58:06
  is important for our overall health and wellbeing. Now, if you were eating whole animal, though,
• 58:13
  how did you get all those cavities? Is it because of what you didn't have? Like, because you didn't
• 58:17
  have the floss or you weren't brushing your teeth regularly or were you eating other things
• 58:22
  heavily? Exactly. We had no idea what floss was. It was not something that it was even at the
• 58:27
  stores in Romania. And I was a sugar addict. Ah, okay. The whole, all those cookies and pastries
• 58:35
  on my mom and grandma made all the sticky stuff he talked about earlier. Exactly. So it was never
• 58:42
  just one thing, you know, it's never just one thing. It's always, um, you know, because people
• 58:49
  tell me, oh, yeah, I do this one thing. Okay. I brushed rice a day, but what about everything else?
• 58:54
  Even if you, you know, have a processed food diet, if you're just brushing and flossing,
• 58:59
  it's not going to be enough. Right. So, yeah. This has been fantastic. Thank you for answering all my
• 59:06
  questions. I had a lot of them today. Um, a pleasure. What, so, A, you mentioned some products you have.
• 59:13
  I know you have a practice in California in Beverly Hills, but where can people find you to kind of
• 59:20
  get more information to potentially work with you? Where's the general depot for people to get Dr.
• 59:26
  Sanda information? Yeah. So I also have a podcast called a holistic demonstrate show if anybody's
• 59:32
  interested and, you know, you're on there, uh, and learning more about oral health on Instagram.
• 59:38
  My handles, Dr. Sanda and at orasana.com, O-R-A-S-A-N-A, I post the research articles about the oral
• 59:48
  microbiome. We have our product line there. Um, it's a line that nourishes the mouth. We don't have
• 59:54
  strong harsh chemicals in there. And the goal is to heal the mouth and, you know, nurture the
• 1:00:02
  teeth and gums from the inside out. Excellent. Thank you so much, Dr. Sanda. It's been a pleasure.
• 1:00:09
  Um, and thank you. Thank you all for watching, for listening. I hope this has been enlightening. I
• 1:00:15
  really, you probably noticed I, I really do geek out about toothpaste and just in general about
• 1:00:21
  teeth health. Um, too many people I know had a lot of issues. And as we mentioned in this episode,
• 1:00:29
  it can cause deeper, um, deeper chronic issues that show up in the rest of the body. So I hope
• 1:00:36
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• 1:00:49
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