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Feds give perv EPSTEIN 'free pass' to keep molesting girls · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: In the last hours revelations in the Jeffrey Epstein child's
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking allegations. As we wait for his pimp, his
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Speaker 1: madam social like Delaine Maxwell to go to trial, we
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Speaker 1: are now learning she's not the only one with blame.
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Speaker 1: There's plenty to go around. Is it true that three
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Speaker 1: years before charges were brought, federal prosecutors refused to investigate
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Speaker 1: claims of child's sex molestation? Did they give Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: and Gilaine Maxwell a free pass to continue molesting girls
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Speaker 1: for three more years before charges were brought? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. He said that he could get me
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Speaker 1: into the Fashion Institute of Technology, and that he knew
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Speaker 1: that he could get me straight in, he could pay
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Speaker 1: for my schooling, and I know that they didn't even
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Speaker 1: phone if I t that was never going to happen.
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Speaker 1: They went out of their way to play games to
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Speaker 1: make you believe. I mean, they helped me on my essay.
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Speaker 1: It was just all a big lie and just complete manipulation.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing Sarah Ransom the Miami Herald just crack
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Speaker 1: this thing wide open. And according to reports, it was
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Speaker 1: only because Epstein was busted by the Miami Herald, not
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Speaker 1: prosecutors who sat by and twiddled their thoughts for three years,
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Speaker 1: but only when it became public when they were outed
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Speaker 1: having done nothing since epstein sweetheart deal allowing Epstein to
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Speaker 1: go on to molest how many more young girls. Only
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Speaker 1: when the Miami Herald busted them did charges suddenly emerge.
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Speaker 1: With me as an all star panel to try to
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Speaker 1: make sense of it all. First of all, Jessica Pride,
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Speaker 1: as attorney with the Pride Law Firm with me. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Teresa Gill, professor's psychology and Psychotherapists, author of Women who
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Speaker 1: Were Sex Abused as Children, Investigator Karen L. Smith for Expert,
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Speaker 1: Lecturer University Florida and host of Shattered Souls podcast. But
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Speaker 1: first to Charlie Lankston, editor at Daily Mail and you
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Speaker 1: can find her on Insta at Charlie Charlie. This is very,
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Speaker 1: very disturbing. It's one thing to think of a millionaire
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Speaker 1: pedophile Jeffrey Epstein molesting girls in his mansion, which was
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Speaker 1: just torn down by the way, thank god. It's another
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Speaker 1: thing to think of Guillaine Maxwell, his socialite girlfriend, egging
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Speaker 1: the girls on, standing by smiling as he molested them,
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Speaker 1: sometimes taking part according to them. It's a whole another
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Speaker 1: ball game to think federal prosecutors sat on their thumbs
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Speaker 1: doing nothing. Isn't it trend, Charlie that they were given
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Speaker 1: information that Guillaine Maxwell to nude photos of a young girl,
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Speaker 1: nude photos, explicit photos, and gave them to Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: as a birthday gift, and even with that knowledge, they
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Speaker 1: did nothing. What happened, I mean, they did absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 1: And what we're learning now is the extent of this
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Speaker 1: sweet Heeart deal that they struck with Epstein that effectively
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Speaker 1: prevented him from having to face any federal charges whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: They punished the wait, Charlie, Charlie, hold on, that's what
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Speaker 1: it purported to do. And let me understand something now.
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Speaker 1: You are talking about the Sweetheart deal that occurred around
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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven down in Florida. It was first
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Speaker 1: a federal case in the FED somehow kicked it down
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Speaker 1: to a state court where he pled guilty to two
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Speaker 1: counts of soliciting miners for prostitution and was basically given
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Speaker 1: a slap on the wrist. That was in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven. Correct, Yes, that's correct. Okay, I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: a two thousand, sixteen meeting nine years later. Okay, all
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Speaker 1: these years, he's still molesting girls. Hey, you know what.
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Speaker 1: You don't believe me, take a listen to this more
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Speaker 1: from the Miami Herald. But when you in, you can't
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Speaker 1: get out. That's it. Like when you are in, you
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Speaker 1: are in, and you are in deep. If I didn't
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Speaker 1: do what he said, he would make sure that I
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Speaker 1: would not be working in New York. And I was terrified.
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Speaker 1: I was so I'm still afraid for my life and
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Speaker 1: I was. I was so scared. I just think I disassociated.
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Speaker 1: I was just like, okay, um, this is happening. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what do you do? I mean, like I remember thinking, okay,
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Speaker 1: I've never done this before. Not where am I? What's
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Speaker 1: going on? I went to free and I kind of
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Speaker 1: go into freeze disassociation mode. It would make anyone second
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Speaker 1: guess themselves and say, what the manipulation that's happening, the
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Speaker 1: exploitation that's happening is damaging. But I must be the
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Speaker 1: crazy one because everyone around knows what's going on and
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Speaker 1: is allowing it to happen, and is enabling him and
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Speaker 1: is playing into it. You are hearing our friend at
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Speaker 1: Miami Herald, Sarah Ransom. You're also hearing Marjique Shortuny and
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Speaker 1: Bradley Edward speaking Charlie Links in one moment. Let me
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Speaker 1: go now to Teresa gil PhD, Professor Psychology and psychotherapist, Doctor,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I've had a lot
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Speaker 1: of child molestation victims and rape victims, but particularly child
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Speaker 1: molestation victims state that during the molestation they seem to
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Speaker 1: quote disassociate from their body. What does that mean? So
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Speaker 1: it happens to the body, and it happens without your control.
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Speaker 1: When you're in a situation that feels overwhelming and feels
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Speaker 1: like life and death, your body does two things. It
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Speaker 1: goes into fight flight. But if you're forteen fifting of sixteen,
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Speaker 1: when you're on an island and nobody else is around you,
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Speaker 1: or you don't have people who are going to stand
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Speaker 1: by you that you see as allies, it is not
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Speaker 1: a safe thing to go fight flight. So what happens
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Speaker 1: is you just collapse. And with that collapse of physiological
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Speaker 1: signs like you go pale, you stop breathing, you shut down,
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Speaker 1: and you actually separate from reality. Like one woman said
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Speaker 1: when she was on the plane and they were going
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Speaker 1: to the island and they were having sex on the plane.
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Speaker 1: She just pretended like she looked around her, everybody was
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Speaker 1: acting as if things were normal, and she pretended she
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Speaker 1: didn't see it, and she fell asleep. And that would
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Speaker 1: be a typical response to somebody who's overwhelmed and trying
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Speaker 1: to manage the experience that they're going through. I've had
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Speaker 1: adult victims of child molestation describe what you just said
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Speaker 1: with me as doctor Teresa gil and she's the author
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Speaker 1: of Women Who Were Sex that Used as children, Mothering, resilience,
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Speaker 1: protecting the next generation. This is her specialty. I didn't
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Speaker 1: really know what it meant as just being a trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gill, but I noticed that time after time after time,
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Speaker 1: adult victims of child molestation would recount what happened to
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Speaker 1: them as a child, and they said to completely, I
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Speaker 1: know this isn't the right phraseology come out of their bodies,
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Speaker 1: or they would the only good word is disassociate from
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Speaker 1: what was happening to them, And they literally can come
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Speaker 1: out and a body the money time filty that they're
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Speaker 1: watching it. Yes, I was going to tell you that,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gil, but I thought it sounded far fetched. They
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Speaker 1: have told me, and not just one but many. So
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Speaker 1: it's not like one little girl or one little boy
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Speaker 1: dreamed this up that they felt they could see from
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Speaker 1: above them, like up in the ceiling or at the
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Speaker 1: door to the room, what was happening. They were that disassociated.
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Speaker 1: And you're hearing that here from this Epstein victim being molested.
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Speaker 1: She felt she disassociated from her body. And we hear
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Speaker 1: that over and over and over. But now to just
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Speaker 1: rub salt in the wood mound? Is it true? And
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Speaker 1: I think it is. And I'll tell you why. Federal prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: after his sweetheart deal in two thousand and seven, fast
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Speaker 1: for twenty sixteen, he had been molesting all those nine years.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors are told what's happening in the Southern District of
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Speaker 1: New York. Epstein is still molesting girls and they did nothing.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: a huge travesty of justice, and it pains me to
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Speaker 1: point the finger at prosecutors who are there to protect us.
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Speaker 1: There are notes, Charlie Lanks soon joining me from Daily Mail.
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Speaker 1: There are notes that existed from that twenty sixteen meeting,
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Speaker 1: signed by Assistant US Attorney A k which I believe
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Speaker 1: stands for Amanda Kramer. That she had this meeting was
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Speaker 1: some of the victim's lawyers, and she put in a
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Speaker 1: call to the FBI down of Florida, and they didn't
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Speaker 1: call back, so she dropped the case. She did nothing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the most shocking thing to me,
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Speaker 1: is that the excuse for not pursuing a case was
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Speaker 1: simply because she didn't hear back from the FBI in Florida,
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Speaker 1: and apparently that meant that they had no problem with
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Speaker 1: how the case had been handled way back in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and seven. To my mind, not receiving a call
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Speaker 1: from someone and failing to try and get in contact again,
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Speaker 1: that's nothing in comparison with the evidence that she was
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Speaker 1: being told about. She had three lawyers not only telling
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Speaker 1: her about the abuse that Virginia Roberts said she'd suffered
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Speaker 1: at the hands of Epstein, but she also had evidence
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Speaker 1: that he had conspirators helping him with this abuse, That
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Speaker 1: there was evidence in the form of nude photographs that
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Speaker 1: had been taken, and that this had been going on,
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Speaker 1: as you said, for nine years after a sweetheart deal
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Speaker 1: was struck in Florida. So the fact that a case
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Speaker 1: was not brought after this meeting is absolutely astounding to me.
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Speaker 1: I want to let you hear what exactly these molestation
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Speaker 1: victims are saying. None of this would have come to
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Speaker 1: light if it had not been for the Miami Herald
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Speaker 1: Listen Gilain Maxwell was Jeffrey's right hand woman. Leslie graffs, So,
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Speaker 1: Sarah kellins, they like, it's this network which is just
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Speaker 1: mind blowing, and they're so good. They are so they
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Speaker 1: are like master my manipulators. And that's that's what really
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Speaker 1: upsets me. When you know, I've had one or two
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Speaker 1: people say, you know, I should have known better. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't think they've fooled the entire world. So of
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Speaker 1: course they're going to manipulate as a twenty two year old,
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Speaker 1: he's never been here. I was here for two weeks.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know a single soul. But still, because I
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Speaker 1: was over aged and my twin tiers, I should have
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Speaker 1: known better. I didn't know better. I was on my own,
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Speaker 1: and then I've fallen to Jeffrey's trip. So it's just abuse, abuse, abuse, abuse,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't my fault now, and that's what he
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Speaker 1: preys on. It looks for people that are vulnerable and
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Speaker 1: hers and of coming and broken and broken and broken people.
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Speaker 1: And he promises he'll fix you. Yeah, and instead he
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Speaker 1: breaks you even more. I know, yeah, I know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he broke me pretty bad. He's good at that. You
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Speaker 1: were hearing Sarah Man's men Virginia Roberts Geoffrey an outspoken
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Speaker 1: victim Jeffrey Epstein's allegedly Now she is telling you her age, then,
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Speaker 1: but what about the young girls he managed to lure
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Speaker 1: into his trap? Joining me a very well known sex
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Speaker 1: assault attorney the Pride Law Firm. Joining me is Jessica
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Speaker 1: Pride Jessica. That is a common theme that I have
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Speaker 1: heard from rape victims and child molestation victims. They always
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Speaker 1: think it's their fault. Did you hear what she said?
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Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody, I didn't know really what was happening,
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Speaker 1: But hey, it was my fault because I went with him. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: that's what survivors do, is they blame themselves, and they
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Speaker 1: recount the steps and what they did or didn't do,
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Speaker 1: and try to justify or figure out how they somehow
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Speaker 1: got themselves into that situation. But survivors need to remember
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Speaker 1: to put the blame where the blame belongs, and that's
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Speaker 1: what the perpetrators, and in this case, it's with Epstein
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Speaker 1: and Jesselen, Maxwell and all his conspirators that helped him
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Speaker 1: abuse children for over a decade. I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to Charlie Lenkson joining me. Charlie has been on
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Speaker 1: the story from the very beginning. She is a senior
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Speaker 1: editor at Daily Mail. Charlie, we know the name of
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Speaker 1: the assistant US attorney who held that twenty sixteen mating.
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Speaker 1: Her initials are in the notes that were taken that day.
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Speaker 1: She claims that the appointed US attorney from the Southern
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Speaker 1: District of New York. Let's see that would have been
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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, it would have still been appointed by
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Speaker 1: Barack Obama. I believe was Preet Barrara. I think that
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Speaker 1: was the US attorney in the Southern District of New
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Speaker 1: York who made a big name for himself going after
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Speaker 1: Wall Street anyone that he perceived was a evildoer in
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Speaker 1: Wall Street. He was also known as the Showman, apparently
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Speaker 1: loved the limelight. Is it true that that was the
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Speaker 1: appointed US attorney in the Southern District of New York
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Speaker 1: at the time this meeting took place, I believe so. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Now people are saying the US attorney had no idea
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Speaker 1: what was going on. But let me circle back to
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Speaker 1: jes sic a pride. Jessica. I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: ever worked in a DA's office or in a public
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Speaker 1: defender's office, but I can tell you this. When you
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Speaker 1: have a high profile case, for instance, a millionaire accused
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Speaker 1: of molesting a string of little girls and a stinking
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Speaker 1: deal out of Florida where the guy got to walk free. Essentially,
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Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing you tell your boss before
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Speaker 1: you just tossed in the trash band right a one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent. But his boss had been silencing the survivor
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Speaker 1: since two thousand and seven when they decided to enter
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Speaker 1: into this non prosecution agreement and file it under seal.
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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, I know, you know how hard it
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Speaker 1: is to get a case filed under seal, or anything
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Speaker 1: filed under seal for that matter. So the fact that
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Speaker 1: they had a non prosecution agreement back in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven saying we're not going to file federal charges
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Speaker 1: in Florida and instead we're going to kick this down
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Speaker 1: to the state court and allow them to do this
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Speaker 1: sweetheart deal. It was insane. And not only did they
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Speaker 1: create this deal, they did it without consulting the survivors.
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Speaker 1: How as a matter of fact, on Jessica Pride, you
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Speaker 1: just hit a nerve, Charlie Langston, isn't it true? This
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Speaker 1: sweetheart deal in Florida? And we're talking about a meeting
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Speaker 1: in New York in twenty sixteen where prosecutors turned a
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Speaker 1: blind eye and allowed Epstein and Maxwell to continue molesting
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Speaker 1: little girls for three more years before the Miami Herald
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Speaker 1: broke story and they got shamed, all right, that was
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Speaker 1: in New York. But the sweetheart deal went down in Florida.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Charlie? They took the deal in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. But when one of the victims
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Speaker 1: called to find out what was happening with the case
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, the victim and I believe
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Speaker 1: that victom's name was Courtney Wilde, was told the investigations
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Speaker 1: still ongoing. They had no idea they had done a
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Speaker 1: sweetheart deal. They kept it a secret. You know what,
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Speaker 1: You got to keep something a secret unless it's a
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Speaker 1: surprise party. They're something probably very wrong with your secret. Well,
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Speaker 1: and what is most horrifying to me is that these
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Speaker 1: women who were trying to get justice and trying to
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Speaker 1: bring to light the horrific crimes that they had suffered,
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Speaker 1: they were still given hope. They were told the investigation
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Speaker 1: is ongoing, when actually all hope that they had of
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Speaker 1: trying to get justice against Epstein that had been thrown
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Speaker 1: away by prosecutors in Florida who were then telling the women, Oh, no,
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Speaker 1: don't worry, we're still working on it. Please still keep
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Speaker 1: speaking to us. We'll keep you in the loop. And
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Speaker 1: that was a lie. So not only did these victims
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Speaker 1: not get the justice that they quite frankly deserved, but
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Speaker 1: they were also spoon fed lies by prosecutors, having already
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Speaker 1: gone through unspeakable trauma for so many years. I just
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Speaker 1: think that there are so many levels of feelings for
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Speaker 1: these poor women, and I don't know, honestly whether any
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Speaker 1: justice can really be stuffed to them after all that
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Speaker 1: they've been through. The young girl victim that was lied
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Speaker 1: to and told the investigation was ongoing after there had
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Speaker 1: really already been a secret deal a year before, and
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Speaker 1: nobody would tell the girl victims her name, Courtney Wild.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear our cut ten. This is
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Speaker 1: about Courtney and you're hearing ABC Nightlines. Tom Lamas listen.
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Speaker 1: I was fourteen, I had braces on, I brought by
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Speaker 1: somebody else. We go up the stairs, We're shown how
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Speaker 1: to set up the massage table everything else, and we
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Speaker 1: were just massaging them. And then after about thirty minutes
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Speaker 1: of that, he asked the girl that I was with
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Speaker 1: to go wait downstairs. When she left, you know, he
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Speaker 1: asked me to get comfortable to take my clothes off,
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Speaker 1: that I could leave my brone panties on. So I
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Speaker 1: did that, and he just wanted me to like stand
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Speaker 1: next to him as he like you know, touched me
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that as he masturbated. And then that
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Speaker 1: was that. Yeah, that was that. You are hearing the
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Speaker 1: voice of Coordiney Wild speaking out just fourteen years old,
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Speaker 1: when she was recruited to go massage a grown man
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Speaker 1: with gray hair, Jeffrey Epstein, a multi millionaire. She gets there,
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Speaker 1: he says the other girl away, asked her to take
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Speaker 1: her clothes off and then basically fondles her or genitals
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Speaker 1: while he masturbates. There's really no nice way to say that.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Now listen to this, Charlie likes.
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Speaker 1: In the last days, a court has ruled against Courtney
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Speaker 1: and other victims, even though they say they quote sympathize
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Speaker 1: with them. Courtney Wilde was one of Epstein's numerous child
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Speaker 1: victims who filed a lawsuit against the prosecution. That lawsuit
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Speaker 1: filed in two thousand and eight, alleging that their plea
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Speaker 1: deal that let Epstey walk free and continue to molest
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Speaker 1: little girls violated the Victims Rights Act because they never
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Speaker 1: told the victims. Under the Crime Victims Rights Act, victims
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Speaker 1: are supposed to know when a plea deal is going down.
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Speaker 1: They not only, according to the girls, didn't tell them
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Speaker 1: when the deal was going down, they also lied about it.
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Speaker 1: And now, in another stunning blow to these girl victims,
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Speaker 1: they court rules they can't sue. It's just almost too
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Speaker 1: much to take in, Charlie. I mean, it's just horrific.
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Speaker 1: And what is really tragic for me is that the
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Speaker 1: judge in this most recent appeals case effectively said, I
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Speaker 1: believe that you have been wronged by prosecutors. I believe
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Speaker 1: that what went down was unacceptable and not only did
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Speaker 1: you face unspeakable horrors at the hands of Epstein, but
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Speaker 1: you then were failed by the law. However, the judge
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Speaker 1: in this specific case effectively said, in order to follow
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Speaker 1: the law myself, I cannot grant you a win in
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Speaker 1: this case because legally, because federal charges were never filed
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Speaker 1: against Epstein, the Criminal Victims' Rights Act does not give
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Speaker 1: Courtney any protections whatsoever. Well, you go to a shrink judge,
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Speaker 1: ycent Gil doudgor Gil, you know, and just a trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: You're the psychologist. But I know what I've seen, and
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Speaker 1: I know what happens to rape and child molestation victims,
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Speaker 1: be they a boy or a girl, to grown women
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Speaker 1: that are raped, they're never the same. Yes, they go
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Speaker 1: about their life, they may get married, they may have
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Speaker 1: a family, may have a great job, but you're never
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Speaker 1: the same. It affects you the rest of your life,
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Speaker 1: how you view relationships, whether you can never have sex again,
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Speaker 1: how you really just see the world. You are a
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Speaker 1: victim from then on and there's no turning back. How
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Speaker 1: much more can these victims take doctor guilt? They were
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Speaker 1: molested by Epstein Elaine Maxwell. According to them, Lord there
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Speaker 1: Am and even took part in the molestations, stood by
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Speaker 1: smiling while they were molested. Then they have a secret
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Speaker 1: deal done behind their back by Florida prosecutors. Then they
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Speaker 1: take the case to the Southern District of New York
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Speaker 1: US attorneys appointed by the president, and they do nothing.
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Speaker 1: They do nothing. Doctor Gil, what more can be done
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Speaker 1: to these victims? Well, I think it's interesting because when
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Speaker 1: I think about their victimization, their victimization started with their childhood.
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Speaker 1: So when I bring sometimes my survivors want to bring
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Speaker 1: in their perpetrator and they want to ask their perpetrator
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Speaker 1: why me, And they think that the perpetrator is going
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Speaker 1: to say, because somehow you were defective, somehow you were bad,
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Speaker 1: you were terrible, you deserved it. And every time the
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Speaker 1: perpetrator says, because as you were the most vulnerable, and
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Speaker 1: that's why I picked you. And when Epstein and his
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Speaker 1: his people who supported him in getting these women and
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Speaker 1: enticing them and recruiting them and grooming them, they knew
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Speaker 1: that the women that they were picking were working class
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Speaker 1: and poor. They knew they came from troubled homes. They
24:25
Speaker 1: knew that they were vulnerable, and that they were young,
24:27
Speaker 1: and they were in financial need, and they were unprotected.
24:32
Speaker 1: And so already you have people with a history of
24:35
Speaker 1: real vulnerability and lack of support and protection, and when
24:39
Speaker 1: they fight to be heard and the system undermines them
24:44
Speaker 1: and pulled the rug out from underneath them, then they're
24:47
Speaker 1: being revictimized and they being resilenced, and they're going back
24:54
Speaker 1: into a place where I have no control, powerless, there's
24:58
Speaker 1: nothing that I can do, and that's not you know,
25:02
Speaker 1: it's an er guil on this justice. I'm trying to
25:05
Speaker 1: verbalize this feeling they must be having when you become
25:12
Speaker 1: a crime victim and such a brutal way to be
25:16
Speaker 1: raped by Jeffrey Epstein and you're just a younger, you're fourteen,
25:21
Speaker 1: it's one year older than my daughter Lucy. Then you
25:27
Speaker 1: live with all that shame, You feel like it's your fault,
25:31
Speaker 1: the whole brutality of it, the sense of helplessness sticks
25:35
Speaker 1: with you the rest of your life. But then you
25:38
Speaker 1: think you have a champion that is going to represent you,
25:42
Speaker 1: that is going to get justice, and your faith and
25:47
Speaker 1: your hope is renewed, that someone cares about you, and
25:51
Speaker 1: then you find out they basically crap on you. They
25:56
Speaker 1: do nothing. They do nothing, I mean, you know, wash
26:00
Speaker 1: their hands like conscious pilot and look the other way
26:03
Speaker 1: and let an unspeakable unjustice go forward. I mean, that
26:07
Speaker 1: has got to be soul breaking. Guys, we're talking about
26:12
Speaker 1: one victim, Courtney Wild, who actually sued the prosecution and
26:16
Speaker 1: got turned down by the Court of Appeals. Take a
26:19
Speaker 1: listen to more from our friends at ABC's Nightline. Lacarta
26:22
Speaker 1: says she was just sixteen years old when she was
26:24
Speaker 1: recruited by another high school girl to give Epstein a massage.
26:28
Speaker 1: He kept saying it God, like God, You're just so
26:32
Speaker 1: beautiful and sexy and gorgeous, and it was making me
26:37
Speaker 1: feel really uncomfortable, Lacarta telling investigators in a police interview
26:41
Speaker 1: at the time Epstein sexually assaulted her then and igot
26:46
Speaker 1: asking me go low and kind of happening at the
26:50
Speaker 1: moment about Epstein's accused of praying on vulnerable girls. And
26:55
Speaker 1: I remember just like feeling so disgusting and shameful. But
26:59
Speaker 1: and then the same way, you know, I had two
27:02
Speaker 1: hundred dollars that I didn't have before, so it was
27:05
Speaker 1: like it was just a tough pillow to swallow, Wild
27:11
Speaker 1: saying she became part of Epstein's alleged recruiting scheme, soon
27:15
Speaker 1: winding up in over read. He asked me if I
27:17
Speaker 1: could bring him girls, then for every girl I could
27:19
Speaker 1: bring him, he would give me two hundred dollars for them.
27:21
Speaker 1: It's a burden that she says she's carried with her
27:24
Speaker 1: for more than a decade. I just hold so much
27:26
Speaker 1: guil for ever having somebody do that, or introducing that
27:31
Speaker 1: to somebody's life. It's almost too much to take in.
27:34
Speaker 1: So back to Charlie Langston on the story from the
27:37
Speaker 1: very beginning. She's a senior editor at dailymail dot com.
27:41
Speaker 1: Charlie is kind of like a Ponzi scheme where he
27:47
Speaker 1: would actually molest a girl, a young girl. I believe
27:51
Speaker 1: Courtney Wilde was fourteen when he started molesting her. Then
27:55
Speaker 1: he would pay her, and he knew these girls were
27:59
Speaker 1: from working class families that needed money, that had nothing.
28:02
Speaker 1: He would pay her two hundred dollars per girl that
28:06
Speaker 1: she would bring to him. So you're basically getting children
28:12
Speaker 1: to entice other children to get raped by Jeffrey Epstein
28:18
Speaker 1: and then they'll get two hundred dollars. I mean, I
28:20
Speaker 1: used to prosecute cases where drug lords and their lieutenants
28:27
Speaker 1: would use juveniles to sell drugs heroin, crack cocaine myth
28:34
Speaker 1: out on the street, because they knew juveniles would do
28:38
Speaker 1: a month in juvie jail if that they would use
28:42
Speaker 1: children to do their dirty work. And here he's using
28:47
Speaker 1: his own molestation victims to lure in other girls. It's
28:52
Speaker 1: just it's the devil. I mean, it's the most disgusting
28:57
Speaker 1: pyramid scheme. I think I've had a hud and what
29:01
Speaker 1: we've addressed, and I think the really key point here
29:04
Speaker 1: is Epstein prayed on the most vulnerable people he could find.
29:11
Speaker 1: He sent from what we understand, Gelain Maxwell out to
29:15
Speaker 1: find the top level of girls who he would then
29:18
Speaker 1: use to recruit others. And the really sickening thing from
29:23
Speaker 1: you know, what we've heard from victims is that they
29:26
Speaker 1: knew deep down that what was happening to them was wrong.
29:30
Speaker 1: But here they were being paid enormous amounts of money,
29:33
Speaker 1: being told that by partaking in these disgusting acts, they
29:37
Speaker 1: would be given, you know, jobs, that they would be
29:40
Speaker 1: given an education, that they would be flown around the world.
29:44
Speaker 1: Epstein and Maxwell gained these girls trust through a number
29:48
Speaker 1: of incredibly underhanded tactics and made them think that this
29:53
Speaker 1: is how the world worked, that this is how you
29:55
Speaker 1: got ahead in life, and then sent them out to
29:59
Speaker 1: go and share that message with other young girls. That's
30:02
Speaker 1: what's really awful here is that these young women were
30:06
Speaker 1: led to believe that this was the way of the
30:08
Speaker 1: world and that there was no other option if you
30:11
Speaker 1: wanted to get out of a working class family and
30:14
Speaker 1: find success and wealth and leading lambs to the slaughter
30:32
Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, is it true? Well,
30:38
Speaker 1: I can answer that yes, it is true that in
30:42
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, US attorneys met with lawyers for these child victims.
30:50
Speaker 1: They were told that Elaine Maxwell had a nude photo
30:55
Speaker 1: taken of a little girl, explicit photo taken and gift
31:00
Speaker 1: to Epstein for his birthday. That's sick right there, how
31:05
Speaker 1: RAZI it? They told US attorneys about it, and the
31:09
Speaker 1: US attorneys did nothing, basically giving Epstein to get out
31:15
Speaker 1: of jail free pass for the next three years to
31:17
Speaker 1: go on raping children. It wasn't until the Miami Herold
31:22
Speaker 1: cracked the case wide open that they were shamed into
31:25
Speaker 1: doing something. You just heard Charlie Lankson, investigative reporter and
31:30
Speaker 1: editor for dailymail dot Com speaking and she was talking
31:35
Speaker 1: about how these girls were led to believe this was
31:37
Speaker 1: with their ticket to a better life. If they could
31:40
Speaker 1: endure getting raped by Epstein, they could have a world
31:45
Speaker 1: opened up to them of education and travel and a
31:48
Speaker 1: better life. Take a listen to our cut three. This
31:52
Speaker 1: is Virginia Roberts Geffrey with the Miami Herol. Listen. I
31:56
Speaker 1: had been a runaway and I had been abused before.
31:59
Speaker 1: So to have this, you know, ability to get educated
32:04
Speaker 1: and do something with my life, I thought I was
32:06
Speaker 1: turning around. It was a turning point for me. I
32:08
Speaker 1: was really excited, and within an hour of being at
32:13
Speaker 1: Epstein's mansion, the abuse quickly unfolded like that, and I thought, God,
32:18
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I should have known better, but
32:21
Speaker 1: I didn't. And now I'm here and this is as
32:24
Speaker 1: good as it gets. You know, Sometimes I just I'm
32:28
Speaker 1: speechless with what criminals do to their victims. Joining me
32:33
Speaker 1: right now, special guest forensic expert Karen L. Smith, and
32:39
Speaker 1: you can find her at Karen's Forensics, beerbones forensics dot com. Karen,
32:45
Speaker 1: right now, we were looking at a trial for Epstein's
32:49
Speaker 1: As they say, Madam, she's nothing more than a pimp
32:54
Speaker 1: and she took part in these molestations according to some
32:58
Speaker 1: of the girls, How in the hey, can we prove this? Yes,
33:04
Speaker 1: we're going to have the girls from self testifying, but
33:07
Speaker 1: very often gurars look for more. But this happened years again,
33:11
Speaker 1: Yeah it did, and I have to say systemic failure
33:15
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But there was one entity that didn't
33:18
Speaker 1: fail them, and that was the Palm Beach Police Department,
33:21
Speaker 1: Police Chief Michael Rider and Detective Joe Rickerry, who's now
33:24
Speaker 1: unsfortunately deceased. They did their jobs, and they did it
33:27
Speaker 1: exceptionally well. They went through Epstein's garbage. They found notes
33:31
Speaker 1: with victim's phone numbers and these not so cryptic messages
33:35
Speaker 1: about massages and sex. They found a high school transcript
33:38
Speaker 1: in his desk drawer, and photographs of naked teenage girls.
33:41
Speaker 1: All of that was corroborated by multiple victims who didn't
33:44
Speaker 1: even know each other at the time. But here's the kicker.
33:47
Speaker 1: Crucial evidence was missing. When the detectives served the search
33:51
Speaker 1: warrant on Epstein's house, the computer towers were gone, wires
33:55
Speaker 1: were hanging from the ceiling from a surveillance system that
33:58
Speaker 1: had been dismantled to wars had been empty, and it
34:01
Speaker 1: was clear at that point to police Chief Writer and
34:03
Speaker 1: Detective Recarry that Epstein had somehow been tipped off. You know, Karen,
34:09
Speaker 1: when you hear stories like this, the stories real, it
34:14
Speaker 1: just does it ever way heavy on you when absolutely
34:21
Speaker 1: fellow prosecutors, fellow law enforcement drop the ball. Hadn't been
34:26
Speaker 1: for the officers that you just named, all of that
34:29
Speaker 1: evidence would have been gone too. That's right, they do it. Michael.
34:35
Speaker 1: Writer pushed, he pushed, He called the FBI, He got
34:38
Speaker 1: the FBI involved, and then that ball got dropped. It
34:41
Speaker 1: wasn't the police. It was the upper levels of the prosecutors,
34:45
Speaker 1: the state attorneys, and the US state attorney that dropped
34:47
Speaker 1: these balls. And you know what, for me, as just
34:50
Speaker 1: a lowly cop, a rank and file detective, it blows
34:54
Speaker 1: my mind to think that these failures happened systemically in
34:58
Speaker 1: a system that we are told old it's trustworthy, that
35:02
Speaker 1: we're told works. It doesn't. This case is an absolute travesy, Nancy.
35:09
Speaker 1: It makes me so sad, and it makes me feel
35:12
Speaker 1: horribly fitting victim who are never going to be jumping guys.
35:17
Speaker 1: He may be wondering where does Gillin Maxwell fit into
35:20
Speaker 1: this scenario. Take a listen to Our Cut seven. This
35:23
Speaker 1: is from BBC Panorama reporter Darren McIntyre Virginia Roberts, who
35:28
Speaker 1: went to Epstein's Palm Beach home for the interview. Kailyn
35:33
Speaker 1: walks me up the stairs and then there's this naked
35:36
Speaker 1: guy laying on a massage table in the middle of
35:40
Speaker 1: the room. So although there was this naked man laying
35:43
Speaker 1: on a table, I thought, okay, well, this is just
35:45
Speaker 1: how they do it. I suppose he looked up at Kielynn,
35:50
Speaker 1: so she's like, Okay, here's the lotions, here's the oils.
35:53
Speaker 1: Put your lotions and oils on your arm. Always keep
35:56
Speaker 1: your hand on the person you're massaging, and start with
35:59
Speaker 1: one foot and you and she'll get the other foot
36:00
Speaker 1: and then we'll work together, so you just mimic my movements.
36:04
Speaker 1: So anyways, that thought went fleeting from my head like
36:06
Speaker 1: that was strange because we're doing this massage now. Through
36:12
Speaker 1: that time, I mean, they were asking me questions about
36:14
Speaker 1: who I was and you know how I got to
36:17
Speaker 1: work at Marlago, and I really wanted them to know
36:21
Speaker 1: how important it was to me to nail this interview
36:25
Speaker 1: and to possibly you know, be educated from to become
36:28
Speaker 1: a real massage therapist, and they seemed like nice people,
36:32
Speaker 1: so I trusted them, and I told them I'd had
36:35
Speaker 1: a really hard time in my life up until then.
36:38
Speaker 1: I'd been a runaway. I've been sexually abused, I've been
36:41
Speaker 1: physically abused. I've just I've had a really hard trot.
36:46
Speaker 1: And that was the worst thing that I could have
36:51
Speaker 1: told them, because now they knew how vulnerable I was.
36:55
Speaker 1: And that's not the half of it. Was more, it
36:58
Speaker 1: was like a gift for them. That's exactly what they needed,
37:01
Speaker 1: that's exactly what they wanted, and they got it. So
37:04
Speaker 1: they told me to take my clothes off, and Kiln
37:06
Speaker 1: takes her clothes off, and Epstein's already nude, and they
37:14
Speaker 1: start touching me, and they asked me to do things
37:18
Speaker 1: for him, and and I just I did. I fell
37:25
Speaker 1: right into the back of that circle. I thought, this
37:28
Speaker 1: is just what life's about. This must be what life's about,
37:32
Speaker 1: because I have never had somebody just take me in
37:34
Speaker 1: and say that they're going to do something and then
37:37
Speaker 1: not do something. So yeah, it was it was a
37:41
Speaker 1: really it was a real big kick in the gut,
37:45
Speaker 1: and it was a face of reality that I just succumbed.
37:48
Speaker 1: To I just it's all I'd known, so I let
37:52
Speaker 1: them abuse me and I did what they told me
37:55
Speaker 1: to do. Take a list of natcha our cut twelve.
37:59
Speaker 1: Virginia Frey was by far not the only victim that
38:03
Speaker 1: went through the same thing, and that is something you
38:06
Speaker 1: look for when you're prosecuting. Do witnesses victims separated by
38:11
Speaker 1: time and space tell the same story without collusion. Take
38:15
Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at NBC. My gosh, I
38:19
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old, Like, what the hell do you
38:21
Speaker 1: know when you're that young. Jennifer Rose grew up in
38:24
Speaker 1: New York with dreams of becoming a Broadway actress. She
38:28
Speaker 1: was thrilled when she was accepted to a performing arts
38:31
Speaker 1: high school in the city. And it was outside that
38:34
Speaker 1: school back in two thousand and one, she says, a
38:36
Speaker 1: woman first approached her. She was definitely trying to get
38:39
Speaker 1: to know me, trying to find out, you know, where
38:41
Speaker 1: I was from, where I grew up, you know, I
38:43
Speaker 1: lived with Arose says. The woman kept showing up, talking
38:46
Speaker 1: to her, sometimes offering to buy her lunch or a soda.
38:50
Speaker 1: The first time she brought up the name Jeffrey Epstein,
38:53
Speaker 1: how did she describe him to you day. He was
38:55
Speaker 1: just a great guy. I was just saying, like, you know,
38:57
Speaker 1: he's helped me. I've struggled, Like she was similar to me.
39:01
Speaker 1: Did she say he could help you with your career?
39:05
Speaker 1: That was a big part of it. And when you
39:06
Speaker 1: think of her now, you used the phrase he said
39:09
Speaker 1: the recruiter, he felt like she was for sea. Arose says.
39:14
Speaker 1: The recruiter brought her to Epstein's townhouse, just blocks from
39:18
Speaker 1: the school. When you first met him, what did you think?
39:21
Speaker 1: What did he say? Very nice, basically saying that you know,
39:25
Speaker 1: he's heard a lot about me. You know, she the
39:28
Speaker 1: recruiter was talking such nice things. Arose says. She was
39:32
Speaker 1: served wine in Epstein's kitchen and they talked. When she last,
39:35
Speaker 1: she says, she was given three hundred dollars and was
39:38
Speaker 1: repeatedly invited back. It wasn't long after that that Arose
39:43
Speaker 1: says that Epstein raped her. It started as a regular massage,
39:48
Speaker 1: and then it turned in to write how many girls
39:53
Speaker 1: were raped after US prosecutors turned a blind eye. We
40:01
Speaker 1: wait as just as some falls. Nancy Grace climbs the story,
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Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,