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The Rita Panahi Show | 12 October · The Rita Panahi Show

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  Speaker 1: Starting right now, The Rita Panahy Show.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to The Rita Panahy Show. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Morrow filling in for Rita and here's what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up tonight. Angus Taylor goes against a push by former
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  Speaker 2: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg to increase the GST. My panel will
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  Speaker 2: have that and the day's other top stories in a moment. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson is prepared to set aside her grievances with
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  Speaker 2: Liberals I'm going to ask One Nation South Australia leader
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  Speaker 2: Cory Bernardi all about that and what comes next. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: my good friend John Heinrich will have all the latest
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  Speaker 2: from the U.S., including James Tallarico's bizarre proof-of-life interview with MSNOW.
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  Speaker 2: And Chloe Walker will give us all the latest on
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  Speaker 2: the ginger and the whinger from the U.K. Oh, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not forgetting about lefty losing it either. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to have a lesson in why you should not abuse
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  Speaker 2: federal agents.
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  Speaker 1: Take people again.
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  Speaker 3: Look at you out there.
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  Speaker 4: Don't tell me what to do.
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  Speaker 5: You don't own this parking lot.
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  Speaker 6: What are you going to do?
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  Speaker 5: Arrest me? You can't arrest me.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you will for what?
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  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not impeding.
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  Speaker 2: And you'll never guess what happens next. Or maybe you
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  Speaker 2: already have. But anyway, I'm going to bring that to
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  Speaker 2: you a little bit later in the program. But before
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  Speaker 2: we get to all that, Australians have demanded that Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanese and Jim Chalmers cut government spending as a way
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  Speaker 2: to ease inflation and deliver real cost of living support.
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  Speaker 2: According to the latest news poll, spending cuts topped the
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  Speaker 2: list of recommended actions by voters, followed by the introduction
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  Speaker 2: of energy subsidies, not such a great idea, cutting income taxes,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, reducing regulation, you know it, and costs for businesses,
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  Speaker 2: as well as offering one-off payments. The news poll also
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  Speaker 2: showed the primary votes of Labor, One Nation, and the
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  Speaker 2: coalition all starting with a 2 for the first time
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  Speaker 2: on record. Labor is somehow bizarrely ahead, still on 29 percent,
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  Speaker 2: followed by One Nation on 28 and the Coalition on 20.
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  Speaker 2: To chat about this and a whole lot more tonight,
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  Speaker 2: let's bring in Menzies Research Center senior fellow Nick Cater
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  Speaker 2: and News 24 contributor Louise Roberts. Fascinating numbers out of
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  Speaker 2: the news poll. Nick Kaner, I'm going to start with you.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that I'm really amazed by, and I've had
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  Speaker 2: people asking me about this, why is Labour's number still
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  Speaker 2: so sticky?
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  Speaker 4: Why do they still.
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  Speaker 2: Have 29 when everybody is now blaming them, quite rightly,
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  Speaker 2: for the economy tanking and the wind seems to be
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  Speaker 2: going out of their sails?
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  Speaker 8: It makes no sense, does it? I mean, there seems
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  Speaker 8: no reason to support Labour, but look, they have it.
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  Speaker 8: are rusted on base, I guess, and you're getting down
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  Speaker 8: pretty close to what that figure is. You know, a
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  Speaker 8: lot of ordinary working class Australians have moved the other
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  Speaker 8: way towards One Nation. Some of the others are moving
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  Speaker 8: across to the Greens. So they're being eaten away bit
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  Speaker 8: by bit. But I did think that that finding that
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  Speaker 8: you mentioned there about people blaming the cost of living
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  Speaker 8: on the government spending too much. That just shows, doesn't it,
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  Speaker 8: that Jim Chalmers has been treating the electorate like dopes,
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  Speaker 8: you know, telling them that the Iranian regime is to
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  Speaker 8: blame or Vladimir Putin is to blame for inflation.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: People are smart.
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  Speaker 8: They know who's to blame for inflation right now, and
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  Speaker 8: that's government. Government overspending is pushing up inflation. So it
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  Speaker 8: just makes, I think, Jim Chalmers look patronising enough and
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  Speaker 8: rather sad, really, in carrying on with an excuse that
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  Speaker 8: nobody's buying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Nick, I think you're right about that. But, Louise,
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  Speaker 2: I do get the sense that people really are. When
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  Speaker 2: I talk to people out there in the community, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they say the size of government is big, government spending
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  Speaker 2: is too much, it's crowding it out. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ordinary punters that I meet on the street say it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: They all know that most of the government growth, job
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  Speaker 2: growth is from government or the NDIS. It's a topic
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  Speaker 2: of conversation. But Louise, politically, coming from middle Australia, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the reform that's necessary will mean cutting a lot of
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  Speaker 2: government things, services, handouts and so on. So for either
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  Speaker 2: the coalition or one nation or a coalition of the
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  Speaker 2: coalition in one nation, that's going.
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  Speaker 4: To be a tough message to sell.
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  Speaker 2: How do we tell Australians that the government can't do
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  Speaker 2: everything for them?
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  Speaker 9: Well, it'd be great if that was a message that
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  Speaker 9: got through to those parts of Australia that, you know,
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  Speaker 9: the welfare state is not conceivable and not sustainable, that
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  Speaker 9: we need to get back to work. You know, if
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  Speaker 9: we're putting too much government spend into the economy and
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  Speaker 9: inflation is rising, that's not going to work either. But, look,
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  Speaker 9: it's a tough sell, but sometimes I think voters need
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  Speaker 9: to be told what they have to be told and
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  Speaker 9: what they need to hear rather than what they want
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  Speaker 9: to hear as well. They want to think this is
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  Speaker 9: sort of this undercurrent, that they'll be protected and it
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  Speaker 9: costs a living and they'll still get their benefits and
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  Speaker 9: welfare will still... be sustainable, but clearly it's not. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: you make a great point about all the money going
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  Speaker 9: to government departments. That doesn't... If you're standing at the checkout,
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  Speaker 9: that doesn't impact you, does it? You're still thinking, how
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  Speaker 9: on earth have I spent $ 100 on six items?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, you know, Nick, I just want to stick
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  Speaker 2: on this topic because it is so fascinating. With the
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  Speaker 2: coalition in this poll, there's some glimmers of hope and
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  Speaker 2: glimmers of life in there for, I think, the coalition.
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  Speaker 2: Is there a sense that You know, when it starts
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  Speaker 2: to come down to the harder tack of economic reform
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  Speaker 2: and people understanding that they're going to need real policies
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  Speaker 2: around this. Do you think that this is an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for Angus Taylor to really start mounting a serious case
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  Speaker 2: for some of the real economic reform that's needed? Not
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  Speaker 2: just kind of, you know, oh, well, you know, we're
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  Speaker 2: spending too much money, but where are we going to cut?
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  Speaker 4: How are we going to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it is.
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  Speaker 8: And I think he's already begun to do it, by
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  Speaker 8: the way. People seem to have forgotten what he's going
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  Speaker 8: to do with income tax, which is to get rid
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  Speaker 8: of bracket creep. That is a major economic reform which
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  Speaker 8: will overall reduce the amount of income tax we're spending.
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  Speaker 8: And that's very important. He clearly needs to talk about
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  Speaker 8: that more. But here's the problem, isn't it? I mean,
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  Speaker 8: we live in this sort of TikTok world of attention
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  Speaker 8: deficit disorder where everybody's, you know, wanting to watch the
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  Speaker 8: latest video. It's very hard to explain hard economic reform
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  Speaker 8: on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So whether the electorate has an appetite for that, whether
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  Speaker 8: Angus and his team are able to put it in
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  Speaker 8: the kind of language, you know, not fall back on
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  Speaker 8: the old, you know, ushy economy.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of argument, which doesn't work. It's difficult. But I
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  Speaker 1: think he has to do it. And I think Angus Taylor.
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  Speaker 8: He's the sort of guy that knows unless he comes
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  Speaker 8: in with a strong program on economic reform, he might
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  Speaker 8: as well not take the job because everything else is
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  Speaker 8: just gloss.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, I think it's a good point that, Nick,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people will forget that he's got these policies
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  Speaker 2: around bracket creep and things if they don't keep repeating
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  Speaker 2: them over and over again. I mean, I'd almost forgotten
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  Speaker 2: about it until you mentioned it right there. But there's
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  Speaker 2: another headache, Louise, now. for the Liberal Party because our friend,
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  Speaker 2: the former treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, he has been out all
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  Speaker 2: over the place this weekend doing all sorts of media, newspapers, television,
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  Speaker 2: 60 Minutes, talking about the need for the coalition, the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party, to reclaim the centre ground. And he said
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  Speaker 2: the priority for the coalition is to come up with
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  Speaker 2: the right policies while rejecting the call to appease extremes
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  Speaker 2: on either side of the debate, but Louise, I have
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  Speaker 2: to say, he's been engaged in, I think, a bit
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  Speaker 2: of revisionist history also about his role in the pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: his role in the Morrison government, his role with the debt,
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  Speaker 2: his role with net zero. And frankly, I kind of
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  Speaker 2: feel like he's making a very good contribution in public
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  Speaker 2: life where he is. I'm not sure we really need
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  Speaker 2: to see him trying to start to undermine Angus Taylor.
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  Speaker 9: And that's how I think Angus Taylor is actually viewing it,
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  Speaker 9: the fact that he's mentioned the GST increase and Angus
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  Speaker 9: Taylor has completely said that's not going to happen, which
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  Speaker 9: has caused some criticism saying, why don't you try different things?
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  Speaker 9: Why are you shutting down any conversation? Are you threatened
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  Speaker 9: by Josh Frydenberg, you know, around the outer sort of
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  Speaker 9: clipping at your heels, as it were? But, you know,
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  Speaker 9: he's not in parliament anymore at the moment. So I
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  Speaker 9: guess it's easy to make those comments about the economy
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  Speaker 9: when you are from the luxury of that position rather
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  Speaker 9: than the actual opposition leader. But it doesn't bode well
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  Speaker 9: for Tim Wilson either. I think he's not sort of
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  Speaker 9: saying that Tim Wilson's doing a great job around being,
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  Speaker 9: you know, finance in the Liberal Party. And I think
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  Speaker 9: he's kind of positioning himself as the economic heavyweight that
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  Speaker 9: maybe he feels Liberal Party doesn't have federally.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but, you know, Nick Cater....
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  Speaker 2: Again, I was struck by some of the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: he put out there over the weekend and claiming that
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  Speaker 2: it was constitutional mechanisms that prevented them from taking on
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  Speaker 2: the states more about lockdowns and so on. And yet
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  Speaker 2: I remember it was actually Don Perrottet in New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales who finally opened up Australia when he said, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to stop requiring the two-week quarantine when you come
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  Speaker 2: back from overseas. And it was that which forced Morrison
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  Speaker 2: and Frydenberg's hand on finally opening up. the country when
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that had been very poll-driven before. What, Nick,
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  Speaker 2: do you make of this whole push by Josh Frydenberg?
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  Speaker 2: Is he going to come back?
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  Speaker 1: Look, he's absolutely right on the GST.
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  Speaker 8: Like Eddie Galar in the pet shop will tell you,
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  Speaker 8: economics 101, you need to broaden your tax base, and
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  Speaker 8: that means probably raising the GST, hopefully not too much,
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  Speaker 8: and reducing income tax at the same time and other taxes.
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  Speaker 1: But, look, that's a hard job to do.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's like saying to the Allies in 1944, oh,
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  Speaker 8: you know, forget Omaha Beach, you've got to take Berlin.
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  Speaker 8: You know, there's a point at which you have to
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  Speaker 8: be realistic in politics, and I think... Josh Frydenberg has
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  Speaker 8: the luxury of making what is an obvious point that
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  Speaker 8: everybody agrees with. But Angus Taylor is in the position
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  Speaker 8: where he has to win an election on a platform.
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  Speaker 8: And I think his approach of reducing income tax and
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  Speaker 8: therefore balancing out the difference between that and GST and
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  Speaker 8: cutting government spending We'd all much prefer that. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I'd like government spending to be halved, but let's be
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  Speaker 8: realistic about it. That's not going to happen in one election.
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  Speaker 4: Well, halved, I'd say cut by two thirds. Nick, come on.
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  Speaker 2: Where's your sense of ambition here? But I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about another story here. This is so disturbing here
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  Speaker 2: to me. You know, we've heard all about the heroics
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  Speaker 2: of the crew and the cabin passengers on that fly
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  Speaker 2: Dubai flight. a couple of weeks ago, but Pauline Hanson, well,
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  Speaker 2: she's demanded, I think she's right here, a funding review
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  Speaker 2: after a grant was given to an Australian Islamic center
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  Speaker 2: that was attended by the accused Fly Dubai hijack pilot.
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  Speaker 2: The accused pilot, Hammam al-Hammami, told authorities that he drifted
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  Speaker 2: towards extremism in 2017 while he was studying, not in
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East, but in Melbourne. And the mosque that
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  Speaker 2: he frequented, the My Center Mosque in Broadmeadows, Well, it
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  Speaker 2: turns out they had won $ 70, 000 in grants for language services. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there's no suggestion that he was radicalized at that particular
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  Speaker 2: mosque or that the mosque has done any wrongdoing, but Louise...
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is just part of, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think $ 300 million worth of multicultural grants now that are
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  Speaker 2: given out. So much of it seems like vote buying.
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  Speaker 2: I think Pauline Hanson is right about this, but I
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  Speaker 2: think we need a bigger inquiry into why we're giving
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  Speaker 2: so much money to different groups, whether they're Islamic or
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  Speaker 2: ethnic or Chinese or whomever, to keep people from being
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  Speaker 2: integrated in the mainstream of Australia.
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  Speaker 9: That's right. Integration is the success of this country, as
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  Speaker 9: you know, and they say that the accusers... I mean,
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  Speaker 9: Tony Burke is claiming that, you know, he didn't have
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  Speaker 9: the information, didn't manage that part of the program. That's
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  Speaker 9: irrelevant in my book. I mean, he should still be
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  Speaker 9: across these things because government grants are taxpayer money. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: why is the Federal Police giving this organisation money? I mean,
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  Speaker 9: I just found it bewildering that that's where the funds
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  Speaker 9: are going when other parts of the country are crying
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  Speaker 9: out for funding, housing, cost of living, et cetera. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: it might have been 2017, 2018, but that money is
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  Speaker 9: still being channelled into those areas, and if we want
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  Speaker 9: a truly united Australia, we need to stop those areas
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  Speaker 9: which are being compartmentalised, if I can put it that way.
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  Speaker 4: Well, correct.
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  Speaker 2: And, Nick, it is still our money, no matter how
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  Speaker 2: much money it is, $ 10 or $ 10 million. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think I also saw another analysis, Nick Cater, where...
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  Speaker 2: they found that an awful lot of this money that
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  Speaker 2: was going to these ethnic and community groups was going
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  Speaker 2: directed to labor seats in what looked like very political ways.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing I'm concerned about with the broader idea
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  Speaker 2: of multicultural group funding is that you're going to encourage
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  Speaker 2: more racial separatism and what I think is the worst
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  Speaker 2: thing for our democracy, people voting according to their ethnicity
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  Speaker 2: versus the individual needs of themselves and their families.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 8: And look, I've got no problem with the idea you
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  Speaker 8: might give a mosque, you know, money to help them
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  Speaker 8: teach English to migrants.
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  Speaker 1: That's great.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 8: But how do you know they're actually going to do it?
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  Speaker 8: And the problem is this all goes through micro grants.
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  Speaker 8: And there are so many of them.
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  Speaker 1: They're countless.
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  Speaker 8: There's more than grains on the sand at Bondi Beach.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you little.
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  Speaker 8: $ 20, 000 to this group, $ 10, 000 there, $ 15, 000. Pretty soon you're
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  Speaker 8: talking about real money. But you can never properly audit that.
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  Speaker 8: You never know if the money is actually being spent
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  Speaker 8: on what they say it will be spent on. And
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  Speaker 8: you don't know, you're not able to audit the organisation
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  Speaker 8: fully to know whether they're a bona fide organisation or
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  Speaker 8: whether they're up to mischief. So, you know, the whole
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  Speaker 8: way we do this is wrong and unaccountable. And I
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  Speaker 8: think we want a government to address that right away.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I could not agree more with you,
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  Speaker 2: Nick Caleb. But then again, we so rarely do disagree.
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  Speaker 2: But both of you tonight, our whole panel is great
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales, New South Welsh men and women tonight here.
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  Speaker 2: And we've got, of course, the state election coming up
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  Speaker 2: in March. Now, opposition leader Kelly Sloan has delivered her
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  Speaker 2: first election video pitch to voters.
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  Speaker 4: Let's have a look at this.
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  Speaker 7: It used to be that if you worked hard, you
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  Speaker 7: could get ahead. But Labor's taken our economy from the
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  Speaker 7: fastest growing to the slowest. We've gone from thriving to surviving. Well,
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  Speaker 7: I don't accept that. I'm Kelly Sloan, the New South
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  Speaker 7: Wales Liberal leader. I'll get our economy moving again and
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  Speaker 7: deliver cost of living relief that puts money back in
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  Speaker 7: your pocket.
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  Speaker 2: Louise, we're going to get the economy moving back again
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  Speaker 2: and then we're going to be using your money to
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  Speaker 2: hedge back money.
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  Speaker 4: How do you reckon this is going to fly?
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  Speaker 9: To be fair to Kelly, I think the message is good,
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  Speaker 9: because she's cut right to the quick and said, it
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  Speaker 9: used to be if you worked hard, you could get ahead.
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  Speaker 9: And how many times have we said that even, sort of?
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  Speaker 9: I had a chat about this as well. And, you know,
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  Speaker 9: making about people's lives. And she's made about people's bank balances.
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  Speaker 9: She's not going after Chris Minns' popularity, which I think
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  Speaker 9: is probably quite smart, because he's still.
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  Speaker 4: A popular Premier.
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  Speaker 9: But the issue, of course, for the Liberals is One Nation,
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  Speaker 9: who are, of course, circling the wagons in the regions.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even really Labor.
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  Speaker 9: It's One Nation who are going to be picking off
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  Speaker 9: the seats.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 9: That's, I wonder whether the next part of the strategy,
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  Speaker 9: although she probably doesn't want to mention the words One Nation,
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  Speaker 9: she'll have to address it at some point, I think.
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  Speaker 9: But I do feel the message is pretty smart at
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  Speaker 9: this point.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, Nick, we know that the Nationals, fairly
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  Speaker 2: or unfairly, are facing near oblivion in this coming state
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  Speaker 2: election here at the hands of One Nation. And we
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  Speaker 2: know that Kelly Sloan, who comes from the eastern suburbs
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  Speaker 2: of Sydney, you know, there's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: disconnect there because, of course.
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  Speaker 4: They will want to hear more.
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  Speaker 2: About what will be done to stop the renewable energy
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  Speaker 2: zones and the net zero and all of the stuff
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  Speaker 2: out there that's really crushing these regional communities. But the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party, and I think Kelly Sloan and her wing
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  Speaker 2: of the party, has been associated with making an awful
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  Speaker 2: lot of these things sort of happen. So how does
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  Speaker 2: the coalition or the Liberals square that circle in New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales?
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: Well, there's a massive disconnect between Vaucluse and... Milo, where
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: I spent a lot of time in Western Sydney, for instance,
• 16:14
  Speaker 8: at a charity.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're chalk and cheese.
• 16:18
  Speaker 8: I remember going for one of the by-elections at Wentworth,
• 16:22
  Speaker 8: you know, in the West Eastern suburbs and being charged
• 16:26
  Speaker 8: $ 11 for a sausage sandwich.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: But, of course, they can pay that there.
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: So that's just an illustration. I think Kelly.
• 16:33
  Speaker 8: I would say about her, she is an outstandingly good
• 16:36
  Speaker 8: media performer. I mean, I think she is the slickest
• 16:39
  Speaker 8: of any person in politics today. Whether she's got the message,
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: I think she's onto something here with this because small
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: business in particular, families right across Sydney are hurting in
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: big way right now, big way. And that's Labour policy,
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: some of it federal, probably a little bit of it
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: state too. So she's on fertile ground there, but she
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: has a big challenge, obviously, in the forthcoming election, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: she's going for broke.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Well, she is, and it's going to be one to watch,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: particularly after what's going to happen in Victoria in just
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: a matter of weeks' time. Louise Roberts, Nick Cato, we're
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: going to have to leave it there. Thank you so
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: much for your time this evening. OK, well, joining me
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: now is One Nation South Australia leader Corey Bernardi. Corey,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: welcome to the program. Thanks so much for joining me
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: tonight on The Rita Panahy Show. I want to speak
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: to you first about something that I talked about with
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the panel before here, and that was the latest news poll.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Some interesting numbers out of that. You had a slight
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: little dip for One Nation, not particularly statistically significant, I
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: imagine you would argue. But the thing that I thought
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: was really interesting is that Labour... despite absolutely everything, including
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the poll indicating just how much people are now blaming
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the government for our present economic debacle, they're still ahead
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: of the pack. To what do you attribute the stickiness
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: of Labor's support in these polls?
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: G'day, James.
• 18:11
  Speaker 10: It's a really good question, actually, and I think the polls,
• 18:14
  Speaker 10: there's always going to be an ebb and flow, as
• 18:16
  Speaker 10: you mentioned, you know, the statistical non-significant changes. But, look,
• 18:21
  Speaker 10: The major parties have had a duopoly, a uniparty position
• 18:24
  Speaker 10: in this country for a very, very long time. And
• 18:27
  Speaker 10: it takes a while for people to recognise that their
• 18:30
  Speaker 10: lives are falling to bits as a result of that
• 18:32
  Speaker 10: uniparty policy. And in this case, I think there's been
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: more people that have twigged that the Liberals have dotted
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: them over the years. And so they've looked for an
• 18:41
  Speaker 10: alternative on the right in One Nation. But there are
• 18:44
  Speaker 10: an increasing number of people on traditional left, the traditional
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: Labor voter, who is now looking around and saying, hang
• 18:50
  Speaker 10: on a second, my life is going backwards, whether it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 10: a state or a federal government, we want an alternative.
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: And some of those are coming to One Nation. And
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: we can see this, James, in this point, that the
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: only party capable of winning Labor seats is actually One
• 19:06
  Speaker 10: Nation now. And I suspect that there is a number
• 19:10
  Speaker 10: of Labor voters who who don't want to mark their
• 19:14
  Speaker 10: card with a researcher, but when it comes to the
• 19:17
  Speaker 10: point they'll go, hang on, we've got to try something different,
• 19:19
  Speaker 10: and Pauline Hanson and Mike Newman and others will offer
• 19:23
  Speaker 10: a credible alternative, and that's where they'll go.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Have you been surprised, because I certainly have, with some
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: of the conversations I've been having around Sydney and around Australia,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: in electorates where you wouldn't expect there to be much
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: support for One Nation, with demographics that are.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Let's just say very top 5%, top 1% demographics, where
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: you hear a startling amount of support for One Nation.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Have you been surprised by this coming from the position
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: where everybody has sort of always said, well, One Nation
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: is kind of, you know, the working class farmer's party,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: you know, that sort of thing?
• 19:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah, James, you summed it up there. I'm staggered, quite frankly,
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: about the breadth of support for it. So if you
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: look at some of the, you know, I think Nick
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: mentioned Vaucluse earlier on, but a number of these ladies
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: in particular, women who live in these highly affluent suburbs,
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: have said things to me like, I'm backing Pauline because,
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: you know, they want to back a woman, that's one thing,
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: but two... she's actually saying what they secretly think. They
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: see the destruction of their education system for their children.
• 20:27
  Speaker 10: They see the quality of life and aspiration and hope
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: going back, if not for their own family, but for others.
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: They know how difficult it is to pay bills, even
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: if they've got high incomes and high salaries. And the
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: uniparty politics has delivered this for them. And so Pauline Hanson,
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: they just see as someone who speaks her mind, who
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: says it as it is, who's going to stick up
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: for Australia. And that's the thing that brings all One
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: Nation people together. We want to fight for our country
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: and we want to fight for our respective states. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: that's why we have an amalgam here in South Australia.
• 21:00
  Speaker 10: We have people with amazingly different backgrounds and histories, but
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: we're all coming together because we want what's best for
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: this state and we want what's best for the country.
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: And that is the strength of a true party. You
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: can't walk into a One Nation event and see it
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: divided like you do in the Liberal Party or the
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: Labor Party where the factions won't even talk to each other.
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: We are actually a team determined to get the best
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: outcome for everyone in this country.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I think a lot of people are hearing
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that message, but then we are going to start to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: get closer and closer to that federal election. People can
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: say what they like here. On the weekend at CPAC,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson said she was open to working with the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Liberals in some sort of capacity one way or the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: other to put aside differences, but... The question then becomes
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to me is, you talk about the Uniparty, I know
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: exactly what you mean, people let them know what you mean,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: but if One Nation starts to do deals with the Liberals,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: how do they maintain the sense of, well, we are
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: still different, we are still independent, we are not doing
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: political deals? It feels like, you know, this is a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: very double-edged sword, a fine line to walk here when
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: it comes to talking about making deals with the Liberals
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: when you're saying they're the Uniparty, that needs to be
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: reformed and to be really rolled.
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: James, I can understand the sentiment about that, walking that tightrope,
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: but you characterise it as deals. What we've got to
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: acknowledge is that we have probably the worst government in
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: the history of the country and the worst prime minister
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: in the history of the country. And that's coming from
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: the last half a dozen of them who have been
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: pretty rotten, by the way. And, you know, we are
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: going backwards at a rate of knots. We've got a
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: 40-year deficit horizon. Now, can you trust the Liberals to
• 22:45
  Speaker 10: change that? The answer is probably not, given their track
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: record and given, you know, Angus is a management consultant.
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: What they need is a very strong party that is
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: going to practise common-sense policies, that is going to put
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: Australia's interests and Australians' interests first. Now, we're not talking
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: about a coalition with the Liberal Party. We're not talking
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: about a coalition with anyone. We're talking about getting the
• 23:08
  Speaker 10: strongest possible voice to stick up for Australians in the parliament.
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: If we happen to form government, fantastic. I hope the
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: Liberals would support us with that. But if the Liberals
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: happen to get the majority of seats and they want
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: to form government, hey, you know, get rid of the
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: worst government we've got in history and try and make
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: the next government the best it possibly can be. Politics
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: is not perfect. We know that. But what we need
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: to do is not let the perfect be the enemy
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: of the good. And right now, Australia desperately needs a
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: different approach.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Well, we just need some good anywhere, I think. But,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you know, finally, one last thing here. Pauline Hatton also
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: talked about and promised a royal commission into the energy
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: situation and net zero should she win the next election.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: What would you expect that such a royal commission would uncover?
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: I would uncover a litany of lies and a whole
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: load of BS, and I'm not talking about beers and
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: sunshine there, James. What we've got is we've been peddled
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: a dream, a green dream, which has turned into a nightmare.
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: It has made Australia less competitive. It's devastated our manufacturing industry.
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: It's costing every family and every business thousands of dollars
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: more every single year because we were told again and
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: again and again, renewables are going to save us and
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: they're going to throw money into it and we're going
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: to surrender ourselves to this international nonsense, which other countries
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: are not doing. So let's uncover the lies, let's get
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: to the bottom of it, and what have you got
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: to be afraid of if you haven't been hiding the truth?
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I'd love to know where some of that capacity investment
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: scheme money has gone. Corey Bernardi, we're going to have
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to leave it there. Thank you so much for your time.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Speak to you soon. Still to come, lefties losing it,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and James Tallarico's proof-of-life interview with MSNOW. John Heinricher will
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: have more on that next. And now it's time for
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Lefties Losing It. And in this episode, let's have a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: little look at what happens when a liberal white woman
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: protesting immigration enforcement in the United States decides to F.A.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and pretty quickly F.O.s.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Take people again.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Look at you out there. Don't tell me what to do.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: You don't own this parking lot.
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: What are you going to do?
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Arrest me?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: You can't arrest me.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, you will for what?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up. I'm not impeding.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Well, she makes a compelling case. But how do you
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: reckon that worked out for her?
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Stand back. Back up right now.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I'm on the red line.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's amazing how people.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Who don't think immigration laws should be applied.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: To migrants.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Also don't think the law should apply to them either. Meanwhile,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: actor Billy Crystal, who really was funny once upon a time, well,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I hate to tell you this, folks, he's not so
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: funny anymore. How do you manage to find humor in
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: these darkest of times?
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: That's what I do. You have to, man.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: You gotta.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: It's a healer. It always has been that way. There's
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: nothing you can do about it, you know.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, what a miserable old sad sack he is. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: don't know, because, you know, the stock market of the U.S.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: is well up, and I suspect Billy's Pretty well exposed
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to that, so why is he so dark? But meanwhile,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: let's check in with Ashley St.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Clair.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Speaking of unhappy lefties, you may remember her as the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: mother of Elon Musk's 13th child. But what's the old
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: saying about politics making strange bedfellows?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Are you a democratic socialist?
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: Are you one of the communists?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Are you?
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: So I am a dues-paying member of DSA, but I.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're a DSA member?
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Recently?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: A little bit ago.
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: You're a dangerous leftist radical. Bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: You published an anti-trans book. Would that be the right
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: way to characterize it? What is the thing you most
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: regret about your time in the, can we call it
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: the megaverse?
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: I think being unempathetic.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: By the way, here she is back in 2023. You
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: gotta wonder, was she just cosplaying conservative?
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: You know, my girlfriend's a Democrat.
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: I'm like, well, get out.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: How does that happen?
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: I don't know. And that's what I said. I said,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: there is a fundamental difference in the values of Democrats
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: and Republicans. That's that's not going to work. I mean,
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: what happens if she gets pregnant? You know, you have
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: to walk the walk and you can't be calling for
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: traditional lifestyles if you yourself are involved in hookup culture
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: and things like that. Why do we have so many
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: people making choices that really are against their biological nature,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: really trying to take our children from us?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, elsewhere in America, check out these protesters outside Donald
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Trump's latest rally in Clarksville, Tennessee. Huh, and a warning,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: this is some pretty disturbing content ahead.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Kids don't deserve to die.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: In any case, there is no war that requires bombing hospitals.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: So no abortion either, though?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Those aren't kids!
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Should we stop transgendering kids?
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: No?
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: That's okay? Gender mutilation's okay for minors?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Trump!
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, Trump! This is the sanity of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: left here, guys. The sanity of the left right here.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: You love Trump.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: You want to....
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Hey, can we free Palestine from Hamas?
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: We free it first from the Israeli regime that's been
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: bombing it nonstop.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: For three years straight.
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: Guys, Trump freed Palestine.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Kids don't deserve to die.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: In any case, there is no war that requires bombing hospitals.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: So no abortion either, though?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Those aren't kids!
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: She seems lovely.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, locally here in Australia, they were not to be
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: outdone by these protesters at CPAC on the weekend.
• 29:28
  Speaker 12: Right now I'm at the protest against the far-right CPAC conference,
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: where inside, fascist scum like Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: are planning about how they can make Australian society more racist, sexist,
• 29:39
  Speaker 12: and authoritarian. The UQ union has the capacity to organise.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Students to fight back.
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: The union could send an email to every student promoting
• 29:46
  Speaker 12: the rally. They could hang banners in the union complex.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And finally, let's end on a bit more local content
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: with our own Prime Minister Anthony Albanese who is so
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: desperate for attention. He's starring in silly skits with the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: kids for their Instagram reels.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Are you nervous?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Nah, I'm pretty good with parents. What did you say
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: he does again?
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Uh, he's his own boss.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Right, like what I'm going to be with my crypto course.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Hello, darling. Dad! And who's this?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Dad, this is my boyfriend James.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Well, nice to meet you, mate. You are meeting me.
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: Bear in mind, I'm very protective of my daughter. And
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: if you break her heart, I can reinstate your hex debt.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: So good to see you.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So good to see you.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Too.
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: Brought to you by the Australian Government Swag.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I don't even have words for that. Whatever happened to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the dignity of office? Well, it's the question that much
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: of America has been asking for the past two weeks.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Where in the world is James Tallarico, the Texas Democrat
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: who is running for the U.S. Senate with a long
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: history of weird and controversial positions behind him, including the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: idea that God is non-binary and that there are not
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: one or two, but one, two, three, four, five, six genders.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: disappeared for nearly two weeks during the height of his campaign. Now,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: his campaign claimed he had the flu, but the caginess
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: even led to rumors that Tallarico had had some sort
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: of mental breakdown and checked himself into a facility to recover.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: The whole thing has been very Biden in the basement territory.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And now he's done what can only be called a
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: proof of life interview with the sympathetic folks at MSNOW.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: You were off the campaign for more than a week,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: roughly nine days, I believe. Your campaign said you had
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: the flu. What happened?
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I got the flu, and I'm feeling much better,
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: and I'm glad I had a chance to recover. You know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: if you don't take the opportunity to get well, sometimes
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: you can get even sicker, and so I'm glad we
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: made the decision to just take the week, get better,
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: and now I'm glad to be back on the trail.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Well, there he is, all hail and hearty. Joining me
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: now to discuss this and a whole lot more is
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the president of the Center for the American Experiment and
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: publisher of the excellent Powerline blog, John Heinricher. John, I'm sorry,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: this whole story, it remains kind of bizarre to me.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Do you accept this? Do you buy that this was just,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, he had the flu?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm skeptical, James.
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: I mean, two weeks is a long time for a
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: 37-year-old man to be not just having the flu, but incommunicado,
• 32:35
  Speaker 13: you know, completely out of sight. There's this report that
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: he was being treated at a mental health clinic in
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: Ohio and somebody claimed to have called that clinic and
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: recorded a conversation with an employee there who said that
• 32:48
  Speaker 13: Tallarico had checked out, but now other people are saying
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: that that audio recording might be a fake. We really
• 32:54
  Speaker 13: don't know, but this issue has not gone away, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: I don't think it's gonna go away anytime soon.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know, it's curious because I think in
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: that interview with MSNOW, he talked about going to see
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: a doctor in Austin, but earlier, his campaign had put
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: out a story that he'd gone to an urgent care clinic,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I think in Dallas. It seems like there's inconsistencies here.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: And do you think that these inconsistencies are going to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: shake voters' confidence out of, you know, Tallarico, who is
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: now tied in the polls with his rival, Ken Paxton?
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: Well, I think it depends on what people make of
• 33:31
  Speaker 13: the story. I mean, if there's uncertainty about Tallarico's mental health,
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: it's going to hurt him a lot. On the other hand,
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: if people buy the story that he was just sick
• 33:41
  Speaker 13: and now he's back and he acts healthy, you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 13: if he goes back to making appearances, he's on the
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: campaign trail, you know, then maybe it won't hurt him.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Just on the question of mental health, I mean, look,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: there's been, in American history, rumors about different candidates' mental health.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I think Eugene McCarthy was a famous one in the 1960s.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: But given the.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Way Democrats have turned mental health conditions into another identity,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and in fact, we know that the left over indexes
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: on self-reported mental health issues have Do you think that
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: there's a way in which these rumors might actually kind
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: of make the left feel like this guy's more one
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: of them?
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: No.
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: I think that very few people think that mental health
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: problems are a qualification to serve in the U.S. Senate.
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: And keep in mind that if people become convinced that's
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: what happened, it means that he lied about it. And
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: there's no way that that can be spun positively.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look, I think you're right there, but I
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: just think this is such a bizarre story, and to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: disappear for 12 days, 10 days, whatever it was so
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: soon before the... It just... It doesn't make any sense
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to me. But you know what else is fun? I
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: think let's have a little fun here. Let's move on,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: because it's been the Columbus Day weekend, and it looks
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: like old mate Christopher Columbus has been uncancelled. We all
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: remember all of the statues and so on being torn down.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Have a listen to Donald Trump on this the other day.
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: Christopher Columbus changed the future of humanity forever. And in
• 35:13
  Speaker 11: this administration, we know that Christopher Columbus is, to us,
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: he's a hero.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: He's a hero.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: John, I love this because it sounded like he was
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: doing a very famous line from The Sopranos when they
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: had a big fight about Columbus Day 2 there. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: this is a great example of how all of that
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: sort of woke one, I guess we called it for
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: a while there. We're turning the page on that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope so.
• 35:42
  Speaker 13: I think it's important that Trump is pushing back. I mean,
• 35:44
  Speaker 13: American liberals have tried to sell the idea that the
• 35:48
  Speaker 13: discovery of America was terrible. It was a disaster. Where
• 35:52
  Speaker 13: I live in Minnesota, there was a statue of Columbus
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: on the grounds of the state capitol. It had been
• 35:58
  Speaker 13: there since the 1930s, and left-wing activists came out They
• 36:02
  Speaker 13: tore it down with the approval of our state government.
• 36:06
  Speaker 13: They hauled it away, and the statue hasn't been seen since.
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: This kind of attack on our history has become pervasive,
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: and I think it's really good to see President Trump
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: pushing back.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: It's good to see him pushing back, but I think
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: there's also, I guess it's convenient timing, you know, that
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the day happens a month before the midterm. But it's also,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I think, a salutary reminder as Americans go to the
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: polls today for those midterms, what's at stake, because I'm concerned, John,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: that if they do well, and the polls say that
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: they could do well and have a good night, all
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: of this sort of old business of canceling and so on,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: but also the 1619 Project approach to American history, which
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: treats it as just built on slavery and nothing good,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and all of this stuff, there's gonna be a big
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: left-wing populist push to bring that back if they come
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: back in Congress.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Do you agree?
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: Well, James, it's really extraordinary. We have one party in
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: America that is pro-America. We have another party that's anti-America.
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: It's amazing to me that the parties are tied when
• 37:12
  Speaker 13: one of them is openly hostile to our country. But
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: you're right. If they take power again, we're going to
• 37:18
  Speaker 13: see the same old woke nonsense.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: But, you know, one guy, John, who is not woke is...
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: John Fetterman, the senator from Pennsylvania, and this is a
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: guy I have said over and over again for the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: last year, two, three, this is a guy I have
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: been really wrong about, and he turns out to be
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: better than an awful lot of even Republicans when it
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: comes to, you know, having his head screwed on straight
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and a good moral compass. Well, he's under a lot
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: of pressure in Pennsylvania, and there is speculation that he
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: may switch sides. Here's a bit of Donald Trump on this.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see it. I think he's great.
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: It's going to be hard for him to get the
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: nomination as a Democrat, but I'd love to have him
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: as a Republican. John Fetterman is a great guy with
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: magnificent parents. I got to speak to his parents about something,
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: and they were great, the mother, the father. He's a
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: very solid person. You know, he's a person, he's smart
• 38:16
  Speaker 11: and all that, but he's got great common sense. But
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: if you look at the polls, he does better as
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: a Republican than he does as a Democrat.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Now, again, I say, John, I was completely wrong about Fetterman.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I saw the hoodie and I saw everything else. I said,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: no way should this guy be in the Senate. But
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: now I'm like, he should be a Republican.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 38:35
  Speaker 13: Well, Fetterman has said many times over the years that
• 38:38
  Speaker 13: he does not want to change parties. He's a liberal.
• 38:40
  Speaker 13: He votes with the Democrats a large majority of the time,
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: although on some key issues, he does vote with the Republicans.
• 38:47
  Speaker 13: But what Trump said there is correct. He cannot be
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: reelected as a Democrat. When he comes up for reelection,
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: he'll be challenged in the primary. by a much more
• 38:56
  Speaker 13: liberal opponent. And so if he wants to serve another
• 39:00
  Speaker 13: term in the Senate, I think he has to take
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: a hard look at trying to do it as a Republican.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Look, I think you're absolutely right. I think he'd be
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: a great asset to the Republicans. And I think he
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: has more of a moral compass, I think, than, frankly,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: plenty of people in the Republican Party room. But that's
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: another story. I want to ask also just about another
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Republican event. There was a GOP dinner in Minnesota over
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the weekend. It was disrupted by left-wing protesters displaying a
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: sign invoking the Ku Klux Klan while the state's first
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: black female house speaker addressed the crowd.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Tell us about this. This is a really disturbing story.
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: It really is pretty shocking. I mean, the lack of
• 39:40
  Speaker 13: self-awareness of these people. They're holding KKK signs Lisa Damoth,
• 39:45
  Speaker 13: the Republican nominee for governor, if she wins, is going
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: to be the first black woman governor in American history.
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: So the whole thing is completely insane. But James, I
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: know who these people are. These are the same individuals
• 39:57
  Speaker 13: who disrupted my organization's annual dinner gala last April. These
• 40:05
  Speaker 13: are terrible people. They are a far left group and
• 40:08
  Speaker 13: they are supported by a bunch of rich people. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 13: this is what they do. They go around disrupting other
• 40:15
  Speaker 13: people's events. I think that Friday night they violated both
• 40:18
  Speaker 13: state and federal laws, and I hope that they are
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: criminally prosecuted.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon the chance of that is, though?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, particularly the state laws given the current state
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of Minnesota.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
• 40:33
  Speaker 13: I'll get a little technical here. If they were in
• 40:35
  Speaker 13: Hennepin County, like our annual dinner was, the Hennepin County
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: attorney is useless. I mean, completely useless. But this was
• 40:42
  Speaker 13: in Dakota County, and there's a different county attorney. There
• 40:45
  Speaker 13: were some arrests made by the Eagan, Minnesota Police Department.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: You know, it's possible. I also think there's an outside
• 40:52
  Speaker 13: chance that our U.S. Attorney's Office could take a hard
• 40:56
  Speaker 13: look at this. They've got their hands full with fraud, prosecutions,
• 41:00
  Speaker 13: and so on here. But I think this is a
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: case that both state and federal authorities should take a
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: hard look at.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I hope they do. And I'm sorry your
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: event was interrupted as well. But, you know, we all
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: know we have the exact same sort of people here
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: in Australia always trying to disrupt somebody else's good time.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: John Heinrich from the Powerline blog. We're going to have
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to leave it there. Thank you so much. Always a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: great time chatting. Still to come, the latest on the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: ginger and the whinger over in the UK. Chloe Walker
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: joins me next. Welcome back to the program. Well, more
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: mockery of the bitter royal feud between William and Harry,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: this time on SNL UK.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Who knew there was such a thing? Let's have a look. Oh, Charles,
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: look at this. A family reunion. And I'm here as well. Daddy,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: how dare you trick us into reconciling?
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Just because Harry didn't do anything wrong doesn't mean he's forgiven.
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: Listen, guys, I know this is awkward, but can't we
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: just be civil?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: God, will you stop being so difficult?
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: What is her problem? It's not just me, right? You
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: can all see she's insane!
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Wow, that was some really subtle acting there. Joining me
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: now to discuss this in the studio is News 24
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: lifestyle reporter Chloe Walker. Chloe, thanks so much for joining
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: me here. They really do provide endless content, our friends
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: William and Harry, and the rest don't they?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: They really do, yes.
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: That SNL UK performance we saw on Sunday night, I
• 42:34
  Speaker 14: thought they did a fantastic job and as the Brits
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: typically do very well, they're very witty and they have
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: that dry humour and they managed to sort of take
• 42:42
  Speaker 14: the mickey out of every royal family member, not just
• 42:45
  Speaker 14: Meghan and Harry, but of course we saw Meghan and Harry.
• 42:48
  Speaker 14: They arrived on the scene and they were very touchy,
• 42:50
  Speaker 14: loved up as they like to be, as we know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 14: and they had this invitation in their hands at Sandringham
• 42:55
  Speaker 14: and they assumed that it was William and Catherine who
• 42:58
  Speaker 14: gave it to them, which was very funny, because they
• 43:00
  Speaker 14: wanted to apologise. And then as we saw, William and
• 43:03
  Speaker 14: Catherine then came in and thought that the Sussexes were
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: wanting to apologise to them. So it was very well done,
• 43:08
  Speaker 14: I thought. I recommend everyone go and have a look
• 43:10
  Speaker 14: at it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Alright, well, have a look at that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: You'll find that one And it doesn't sound like it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: probably too different from probably what actually happened there. But meanwhile,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: with all this, an insider has told Heat World that
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Prince William does not think that his brother and Meghan
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: will last another six months in the UK. I'm not
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: taking the opposite side of that bet.
• 43:32
  Speaker 14: No, I don't think many people would. It's interesting, this one,
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: because we've actually heard that King Charles is really, really
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: hoping for his sons to reconcile. Nothing, you know, out
• 43:42
  Speaker 14: of the ordinary there, nothing surprising there. But Richard Eden,
• 43:45
  Speaker 14: who is a very highly respected royal reporter and he's
• 43:48
  Speaker 14: known for his very solid sources, last week he wrote
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: that Buckingham Palace courtiers told him that the King is
• 43:54
  Speaker 14: planning something for next year for the 30th anniversary of
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: Diana's passing. Now, as we know, Harry is doing a
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: documentary for that. And William, well, Kensington Palace said to
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: Eden that they're not going to disclose yet what William's
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: plans are to mark the anniversary if he's going to
• 44:10
  Speaker 14: do anything publicly. But apparently the King is not objecting
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: the idea of a sort of memorial or Thanksgiving service
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: for Diana. And it will likely be very similar to
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: the one that was done in 2007, so on the
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: 10-year anniversary of her tragic passing. So Harry did a
• 44:27
  Speaker 14: eulogy for that. And this time around, the courtiers said
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: that William will likely do sort of a reading or
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: something or other and that it would be a much
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: more dignified thing for him to do than appear in
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: a television show, which was an interesting comment.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Ooh.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Ooh, right. Yeah, that's a little bit of a.
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and again, those sources told Heat World that William
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: doesn't think they'll be here for another six months. I mean, yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: he and Catherine are just sort of sitting back and
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: seeing what happens, I think, but the king is very,
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: very keen to get them back.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: To get back together.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: You've got to feel for his majesty because he's not
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: getting any younger and he wants to see his family
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: together like anybody would. But before we move on from
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the royals, there's just this other story here. The king
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: has also been forced to pay close to $ 3 million
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to cover Andrew Mountbatten Windsor's repair bills at the royal lodge.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: Why did the king have to step in? And I mean,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: causing $ 3 million.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You're getting up into real Hunter Biden hotel suite territory there.
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: Yes, that's right. So the king has paid £ 1. 5 million, obviously,
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: about $ 3 million Aussie dollars, to Royal Lodge, to the
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: royal estate, because of the state that place is in. Now,
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: for a very, very long time, we knew that the
• 45:45
  Speaker 14: king was trying to get Andrew and Fergie, who lived
• 45:47
  Speaker 14: there about basically rent-free for about 20 years, to get
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: out and also to pay for the upkeep of the property.
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: It's in an absolutely dilapidated state. And as we know,
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: after Andrew and Fergie were kicked out in February, that's
• 46:00
  Speaker 14: been about eight months then. Nobody's been there. You can
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: only imagine what it looks like at the moment. So
• 46:05
  Speaker 14: the King has stepped in and paid for that himself
• 46:08
  Speaker 14: and also paid for what is owing from Andrew for
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: the rent. Now, something really interesting is that Andrew, as
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: we know, is taking on Thames Valley Police in court
• 46:18
  Speaker 14: over the alleged unlawful gathering of the information at his place.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Now, how is he paying for that?
• 46:28
  Speaker 14: And then the king is then paying for him to
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: have Royal Lodge all sorted out. It doesn't really add up.
• 46:34
  Speaker 14: We heard that Andrew Lowney said that he's still got
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: business dealings in the Middle East.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: We did. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah, so, again, so it's kind of like he's taking
• 46:44
  Speaker 14: the king for a ride here. The king is having
• 46:46
  Speaker 14: to pay for Royal Lodge, and yet here he is
• 46:48
  Speaker 14: fighting the Thames Valley police while he's still under investigation,
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: mind you, and still living his best life.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It's very, very odd, but, I mean, I can't imagine...
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: why anyone would say he wouldn't be anything but the
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: most exemplary son. So who knows? We just have to
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: be cynics about this. Hey, I want to get your thoughts.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Let's just change the subject completely. I saw this this
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: morning online, and I couldn't believe it. This crazy feud
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: between Kelly Clarkson and this store in Brooklyn, New York,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: where she put the store on blast because she couldn't
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: buy some thing that was attached to the wall that
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: was actually part of the set at this store called
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Art of Play. I didn't fully understand what it was
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: all about, but I saw this crazy back and forth,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: and Kelly Clarkson apparently thought that she could just go
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: buy pieces of the actual store?
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Or what was this going on?
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.
• 47:41
  Speaker 14: So Kelly Clarkson is full on beefing with this homeware
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: store in Brooklyn, which is quite outrageous. So she took
• 47:48
  Speaker 14: to X and wrote a big paragraph essentially saying that
• 47:51
  Speaker 14: she experienced a pretty woman scene, you know, when Julie Roberts'
• 47:55
  Speaker 14: character goes into the store and they say, you can't
• 47:58
  Speaker 14: afford this.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: She said that she wanted to buy things from the store.
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: She drove all the way to Brooklyn and then allegedly
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: she wasn't able to buy because they said that she
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: couldn't afford it. Now, the store has actually hit back
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: and they gave a pretty good response, I thought. They
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: said that, well, actually what Clarkson wanted wasn't for sale.
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: It's a part of, like you said, it's part of
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: the wall. And they quoted her own song back to
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: her and said, you know, as a famous artist once said,
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: what doesn't kill you.
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: Makes you stronger.
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: Now Clarkson has now responded again and she said that
• 48:28
  Speaker 14: actually what she wanted, the specific item she wanted was
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: fish sale. and she shared a screenshot with an image
• 48:35
  Speaker 14: of this thing on the wall, and it's apparently $ 15, 000.
• 48:37
  Speaker 14: I don't understand why this object is $ 15, 000, but anyway,
• 48:43
  Speaker 14: I'm looking forward to seeing what Art of Play has
• 48:45
  Speaker 14: to say in response.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's just bizarre.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Hey, just before I let you go, A funny one here,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: and every man's worst nightmare here. Followers of actor Tom Willingott,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: a little more than they bargained for, when he put
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: up an Instagram post over the weekend, he posted this
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: picture of the beautiful New York City skyline. And we
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: love our New York City skyline, don't we, folks? But
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: he didn't realize that people could see his, well, he
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: was in the altogether, in the reflection. How long was
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: this post up for?
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: So to speak.
• 49:16
  Speaker 14: Yes, this post was up for, I think, over 10
• 49:18
  Speaker 14: hours and it was, yes, put up there to all
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: of his 2.4 million followers. Yes, you're right, it isn't great.
• 49:27
  Speaker 14: But at the same time, he seems to be taking
• 49:29
  Speaker 14: it in his stride. He attended Comic-Con in New York
• 49:32
  Speaker 14: today and he posted several images of himself there. And
• 49:36
  Speaker 14: I think, you know, he's just like.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: He's just trying to play it off? That's right.
• 49:39
  Speaker 14: And as you should, whatever, these things happen. It was
• 49:41
  Speaker 14: clearly not on purpose and... It is what it is.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: It is what it is.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Chloe Walker, we're going to have to leave it there.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. And thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for your time. Stick around because Late Edition
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