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Love and Rockets Book Club #78 - V2 #8 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Morning in Australia.
• 0:07
  Tad Eggleston: Welcome back to the Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 Panels.
• 0:12
  Tad Eggleston: Today, we're gonna look at Lovin' Rockets Volume 2, No. 8, with this,
• 0:18
  Tad Eggleston: I think they brought out the GIMP.
• 0:21
  Tad Eggleston: And the superhero.
• 0:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. And Luba's Comics and Stories number 4.
• 0:31
  Tad Eggleston: So, we'll start out with.
• 0:35
  Maria Pena: With that superhero, outfit, is that a cape, or… I thought it was her hair.
• 0:40
  Marisol: What I was thinking, too.
• 0:42
  Tad Eggleston: I can't tell if it's a cape, hair, feathers, it could be any of the above.
• 0:47
  Maria Pena: And it's got lighting bolts as well, like…
• 0:51
  Maria Pena: It's just shininess or something, yeah.
• 0:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it seems to be coming out of her shoulder, though.
• 0:56
  Marisol: Heck, yeah.
• 0:58
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's a cape.
• 1:01
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 1:01
  Tad Eggleston: With… with, like… Blue feather tape.
• 1:04
  Maria Pena: And she kind of looks like the phantom.
• 1:07
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Just say, yeah.
• 1:13
  Maria Pena: Very interesting.
• 1:16
  Tad Eggleston: The first story was…
• 1:19
  Maria Pena: That was so weird, and it was… it was fun, though, like, this woman who decides she doesn't wanna…
• 1:25
  Maria Pena: You know, she doesn't want to see anybody that knew her, so she moves… she…
• 1:30
  Maria Pena: bandages herself like a mummy, and moves to a different place where nobody knows her, and the doctor forced her Fausto, is like, oh, she's crazy, kind of thing. She's narcissistic, and so on, it's just so…
• 1:54
  Maria Pena: And I love the… in the next… on the next page, when she… she's on the bed, and there's these little symbols of things she's going through, and there's this duck. Yep, just a random duck.
• 2:08
  Tad Eggleston: knife, faucet.
• 2:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah, she's just in turmoil over these things. Yeah, very cool.
• 2:18
  Maria Pena: And then he seems to miss her at the end, like, oh, she'll be back, you know, because she's…
• 2:24
  Maria Pena: He's been begging her all this time, you know, just going, blah blah blah, she's this, she's that.
• 2:29
  Maria Pena: And then he's like, he'll be back, he must. Very…
• 2:34
  Tad Eggleston: I like… he's got, what, cigarettes, the devil, a cell phone, a nun…
• 2:41
  Maria Pena: None. An open door.
• 2:43
  Tad Eggleston: Esophagus and an open door.
• 2:45
  Maria Pena: Yeah, very odd.
• 2:48
  Maria Pena: Oh, this was so weird, the, the Maggie story. Not weird, but, there was some… I love this,
• 2:56
  Maria Pena: the next page, I think it's.
• 2:59
  Marisol: Yeah. This was a funny opening.
• 3:02
  Maria Pena: All this stuff that happens in this black page, and it's all because it's been seen through the screen.
• 3:09
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 3:10
  Maria Pena: Like, that's… that's a camera.
• 3:11
  Maria Pena: point of view, you know.
• 3:13
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 3:13
  Maria Pena: It's… yeah.
• 3:15
  Maria Pena: I thought that was very clever.
• 3:20
  Tad Eggleston: Were you filming this time?
• 3:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 3:26
  Tad Eggleston: I love how, how, how… Vivian just walks over to the bar without putting on more clothes.
• 3:36
  Marisol: Who has the.
• 3:37
  Maria Pena: The dude's not.
• 3:38
  Tad Eggleston: I always go to the bar in bikini and boots.
• 3:43
  Maria Pena: And in case… Kiss of girlfriend, yeah.
• 3:51
  Maria Pena: And, Doyle.
• 3:55
  Marisol: Hmm, let's interesting.
• 3:56
  Maria Pena: What about that guy?
• 3:57
  Maria Pena: The oil is back, he's getting more and more old and weird looking.
• 4:06
  Tad Eggleston: Tells the story about how he goes back with Sid.
• 4:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 4:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 4:13
  Maria Pena: And, we, we find that Sid's the one who introduced him to, Balatio.
• 4:20
  Maria Pena: As in Doyle. Right. Do I need to… Sid?
• 4:27
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 4:31
  Maria Pena: I love that kiss that Vivian gives.
• 4:37
  Maria Pena: Maggie, and Maggie's like, whoop!
• 4:42
  Marisol: Knocking her off the bar stool. I like her face in the panel before, where she's just kind of, like.
• 4:47
  Marisol: Grimace with panic.
• 4:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 4:51
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, yes, yes.
• 4:55
  Maria Pena: This very, very expression, like, it's full of expressions, this page.
• 5:00
  Maria Pena: I got lots of crap.
• 5:01
  Tad Eggleston: I like the panel after.
• 5:04
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, when she's like, whoa, you know, like, that was…
• 5:07
  Tad Eggleston: The bar… the way the… the… the way the… the…
• 5:11
  Tad Eggleston: The stools and the bar itself are lined up. They almost look like the… the ropes of a wrestling ring.
• 5:18
  Maria Pena: Oh, Jesus.
• 5:19
  Marisol: That's slouch.
• 5:20
  Tad Eggleston: against them.
• 5:22
  Tad Eggleston: 50.
• 5:25
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 5:29
  Maria Pena: No, this is so animated, it's just great.
• 5:37
  Marisol: And I guess after she went to the car, she decided to come back with clothes.
• 5:42
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, eventually you gotta get dressed.
• 5:47
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 5:48
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, really, it looks like all she put on was a t-shirt.
• 5:52
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 5:53
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I don't know that she's clear.
• 5:55
  Marisol: Basically, what amounts to a bikini bottom.
• 5:58
  Tad Eggleston: Well, she already had the bikini bottom on.
• 6:01
  Marisol: Yeah, but this one's a different color.
• 6:02
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I guess it is a different color. Okay.
• 6:06
  Tad Eggleston: M.
• 6:09
  Maria Pena: Oh, I think she got dressed in the bar somewhere, and she got.
• 6:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 6:12
  Maria Pena: t-shirt.
• 6:13
  Marisol: No, because it was after… Because she kissed Maggie, and she's still in her underwear.
• 6:18
  Marisol: And then when she comes back with the little idol thingy, she stole.
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 6:23
  Maria Pena: She had to go out the car.
• 6:24
  Tad Eggleston: far. Yeah.
• 6:25
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 6:26
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 6:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah, okay, yeah. Very important to work these things out.
• 6:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 6:37
  Maria Pena: Full parties for wedbacks and hillbillies.
• 6:42
  Maria Pena: Ugh… Oh yeah, and then Maggie has a conversation with Hopi, I believe.
• 6:49
  Tad Eggleston: Chorus.
• 6:50
  Maria Pena: And that makes her feel like maybe she should be in a relationship with Viv or something, and Viv goes, no, man, I'm straight, I'm not a.
• 7:00
  Tad Eggleston: No, I'm just messing around.
• 7:02
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 7:02
  Marisol: It's like…
• 7:03
  Maria Pena: Okay, which is pretty sad, because I think Maggie's feeling a little bit slowly.
• 7:10
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 7:11
  Maria Pena: Isolated.
• 7:17
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so…
• 7:18
  Marisol: -Oh.
• 7:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah, she's… she's… she's a bit…
• 7:22
  Tad Eggleston: And Reno's looking for…
• 7:27
  Maria Pena: for Viv.
• 7:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 7:33
  Marisol: Honestly, Viv kind of pissed me off, this issue.
• 7:36
  Tad Eggleston: Viv… Viv was… was… I mean, Viv pisses me off.
• 7:40
  Tad Eggleston: 50% of the time already, just cause…
• 7:44
  Marisol: That's fair.
• 7:44
  Tad Eggleston: Grow up.
• 7:46
  Maria Pena: Mmm, yeah.
• 7:47
  Marisol: Just because she's Viv.
• 7:49
  Tad Eggleston: Viv, Viv is a drama magnet.
• 7:54
  Tad Eggleston: Cute drama magnet, but a drama magnet.
• 7:57
  Marisol: Yes, that cannot be…
• 7:59
  Maria Pena: I'm like…
• 7:59
  Marisol: For anyone involved.
• 8:01
  Maria Pena: Sometimes that goes… that goes with the territory.
• 8:09
  Maria Pena: But yeah… and then, oh, and then Maggie hears something on the telly that the woman's body has been found, and I think the implication is that she wonders whether it was Viv, whether Sid did something to Viv, so she goes out and looking through the window. You know.
• 8:30
  Tad Eggleston: Where somehow they go from… from knife to knife, to everybody's happy, to big party.
• 8:37
  Marisol: Nope.
• 8:39
  Tad Eggleston: It's just how some people roll.
• 8:40
  Marisol: alone.
• 8:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's just that, you know, that, that… That drama.
• 8:49
  Maria Pena: magnet thing, you know? It's just… she's just chaos.
• 8:55
  Marisol: And I like this whole page, like, the sequence of… we see Maggie walking around outside, and she sees Viv through a window, like, she's outside.
• 9:05
  Maria Pena: I'm looking.
• 9:05
  Marisol: in, But then at the last panel, She's inside looking out.
• 9:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:15
  Maria Pena: She's alone.
• 9:16
  Marisol: No, I just, I just like that.
• 9:18
  Maria Pena: Yeah, no, it's, it's very good.
• 9:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah, huh.
• 9:26
  Maria Pena: A little stunt boy. The art of the.
• 9:29
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 9:29
  Maria Pena: Oh, look this… That's an interesting, you know, flashback to…
• 9:37
  Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, I mean…
• 9:40
  Maria Pena: I still go there.
• 9:42
  Tad Eggleston: Unfortunately, we've been dealing with that guy for WAY too long.
• 9:47
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 9:49
  Maria Pena: I mean, this is 2003.
• 9:55
  Maria Pena: And I… yeah.
• 9:58
  Maria Pena: Very odd.
• 10:00
  Maria Pena: Little story.
• 10:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think all Beto's stories in this one are just odd little…
• 10:09
  Maria Pena: That face was…
• 10:10
  Marisol: Odd little things.
• 10:11
  Maria Pena: So that…
• 10:12
  Maria Pena: The woman that puts the stud boy in a… in a, in a bin, in a rubbish bin, and… Yeah.
• 10:18
  Marisol: What is it?
• 10:18
  Maria Pena: one of the day.
• 10:20
  Maria Pena: And the expression's like, And she's just gonna be… not so or something.
• 10:29
  Tad Eggleston: Then he works his way out.
• 10:31
  Maria Pena: Yeah, because he's… Yep. He's like…
• 10:38
  Maria Pena: Oh, and Julio, they… I think I'd have to read this one after the other, because I'm not…
• 10:46
  Tad Eggleston: I think Julio's Day works best when you read it all together.
• 10:50
  Maria Pena: It's alright.
• 10:51
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 10:51
  Tad Eggleston: Really, really good graphic novel.
• 10:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and it's just a day in the life of Julio.
• 10:58
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 10:59
  Maria Pena: Progressively, he's getting older, I guess.
• 11:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 11:03
  Maria Pena: randoms a day in Julio's life.
• 11:06
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 11:10
  Tad Eggleston: And then we get some high soft lisp.
• 11:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah, still the dissolution of a marriage.
• 11:17
  Maria Pena: Which, they're very off.
• 11:21
  Maria Pena: very fucking weird, you know, marriage, I guess, you know.
• 11:26
  Marisol: Oh, yeah.
• 11:26
  Maria Pena: photos.
• 11:28
  Maria Pena: Damn.
• 11:29
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think I noticed all the… Guns.
• 11:33
  Tad Eggleston: with…
• 11:34
  Maria Pena: Berutic.
• 11:34
  Tad Eggleston: Ugh.
• 11:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, like, I caught the mask, and… or things…
• 11:40
  Marisol: Sticky.
• 11:40
  Tad Eggleston: Out of it, but, like, it's all… it's all guns.
• 11:45
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's very disturbing.
• 11:48
  Marisol: I feel like she's taking Something just a little too far.
• 11:52
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 11:53
  Marisol: Just a little bit.
• 11:56
  Maria Pena: She's getting electrocuted by them.
• 11:59
  Maria Pena: So…
• 12:00
  Maria Pena: But then you got… then you gotta go to the next page, and he's, you know, he's also subjecting his, you know.
• 12:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so I was…
• 12:11
  Tad Eggleston: I don't feel like they had a healthy relationship.
• 12:15
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 12:15
  Marisol: No…
• 12:16
  Maria Pena: At least it was equally, you know, like…
• 12:22
  Maria Pena: They're both… they're both getting the… a bit of the treatment.
• 12:29
  Maria Pena: And she's… her and her obsession with Scott.
• 12:34
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 12:38
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 12:39
  Tad Eggleston: Well, he's in a band.
• 12:41
  Marisol: Excuse me.
• 12:42
  Maria Pena: cape.
• 12:44
  Maria Pena: That'd be sick.
• 12:45
  Tad Eggleston: I love this last panel, where he's imagining himself.
• 12:49
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 12:49
  Tad Eggleston: She's imagining Scott.
• 12:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah, he just loves himself. I know, I thought that was hilarious.
• 13:02
  Maria Pena: And then he's so… To be a video about himself, and…
• 13:10
  Maria Pena: She's lost a baby, she doesn't win another one.
• 13:17
  Maria Pena: And then…
• 13:21
  Maria Pena: he gets annoyed because she will do things to those guys on the… that he… she never did for him, or… no, what was it, you know, you let that guy fuck you up the ass, and, you know, it took 3 days for me to fuck you up the ass, so now he,
• 13:40
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's like, really, after all these transgressions, you… you take… you take, that little thing, you know, and make it a problem, like, after, really? You know.
• 13:53
  Marisol: Nope.
• 13:55
  Maria Pena: and I think that… I guess that's what happens, you know, like, in a marriage, you know, that's dissolving.
• 14:03
  Maria Pena: His mistake is just, like, an excuse, isn't it? Like…
• 14:06
  Maria Pena: A tiny little thing, considering what they preached.
• 14:10
  Marisol: panels hurt.
• 14:12
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 14:14
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:15
  Marisol: Yeah, I don't love you, and the only reason you're not dead is because I'd go to jail.
• 14:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:25
  Marisol: Just…
• 14:26
  Maria Pena: Precinct.
• 14:26
  Marisol: Overall, an incredibly toxic relationship between the two of them.
• 14:31
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 14:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:39
  Tad Eggleston: And that's all… that's all of that issue.
• 14:43
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:47
  Tad Eggleston: Such a… such a way to, to, to, to, to… The back cover's kinda cool.
• 14:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I admires a pen.
• 14:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's like an old 1950s.
• 15:00
  Maria Pena: Album of… Collector's cards or something.
• 15:06
  Maria Pena: I ain't look like Discover, it's just… Neat.
• 15:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so that's that.
• 15:15
  Tad Eggleston: I think this is a, a week where I liked… I like the, the…
• 15:24
  Tad Eggleston: A little bit comics and stories more.
• 15:27
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I liked that the Jaime story no, wrong issue.
• 15:35
  Tad Eggleston: I like the Jaime story.
• 15:38
  Tad Eggleston: A lot.
• 15:39
  Maria Pena: Going down.
• 15:40
  Tad Eggleston: What?
• 15:41
  Tad Eggleston: But,
• 15:47
  Tad Eggleston: What did it do that for?
• 15:51
  Marisol: -Oh.
• 15:53
  Tad Eggleston: We'll find it. But, but, but…
• 15:58
  Tad Eggleston: But Vivian was so annoying, and Maggie was so sad. And…
• 16:03
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 16:04
  Tad Eggleston: Gilbert's stories were… were… Either completely weird, And strange.
• 16:12
  Tad Eggleston: Or… Jesus.
• 16:15
  Maria Pena: It's true.
• 16:15
  Tad Eggleston: Heartbreaking.
• 16:19
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 16:19
  Marisol: There was no in between this time.
• 16:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 16:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 16:33
  Maria Pena: But, oh, God, we're quiet, we should be talking while you do this thing.
• 16:37
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 16:38
  Maria Pena: That is trying to find me.
• 16:40
  Tad Eggleston: But now.
• 16:41
  Maria Pena: tried to share the screen for the next one. We're open now.
• 16:46
  Tad Eggleston: Week.
• 16:46
  Maria Pena: I'm here, like…
• 16:49
  Tad Eggleston: I was making some noise.
• 16:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah. There we go.
• 16:52
  Marisol: You just gotta sit with the weird and the sad.
• 16:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 16:56
  Maria Pena: Hmm…
• 16:57
  Tad Eggleston: And now we've got the lovers and Hector. Before we get into this, I want to say that even though there is a comment about how anytime Fortunato's around, he rules everything.
• 17:12
  Tad Eggleston: We don't see Fortunato go full-on Fortunato at any point during this issue.
• 17:17
  Maria Pena: No, there is no Fortunato kind of moment.
• 17:22
  Marisol: It's incredible, honestly.
• 17:25
  Maria Pena: He said he's being, what is he being? Like, like some kind of guru?
• 17:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he's like the fortune teller.
• 17:35
  Maria Pena: Fortune teller, yeah. Well, he… I guess fortune is in his name, so I guess… It's true.
• 17:42
  Tad Eggleston: That's true. We start out…
• 17:44
  Maria Pena: This is funny.
• 17:47
  Tad Eggleston: Hector and Petra are… are… Kinda… kinda getting it on, but mostly getting stoned.
• 17:54
  Maria Pena: Until… Yeah, he's super stoned.
• 17:56
  Tad Eggleston: Until Venus answers the phone and walks in on them to say, Hey!
• 18:02
  Tad Eggleston: So… one of you needs to go pick up Tia Lubo.
• 18:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Marisol: Yep.
• 18:08
  Maria Pena: But they're so stowed that they keep forgetting.
• 18:11
  Tad Eggleston: Some more, yeah.
• 18:12
  Maria Pena: Like, they are completely fucked up.
• 18:17
  Maria Pena: Hector, you know, forgets where he left the car, and…
• 18:24
  Maria Pena: Can't find it, and somehow he stumbles onto Luba, which is funny, because he walks into the correct bar.
• 18:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he does… he does somehow… Get to the right place.
• 18:36
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 18:37
  Marisol: By pure dumb luck.
• 18:40
  Tad Eggleston: Utterly shocking.
• 18:41
  Maria Pena: But, yeah… And.
• 18:46
  Tad Eggleston: And then Kamo shows up.
• 18:49
  Maria Pena: Oh, this is a separate story of Carol.
• 18:52
  Tad Eggleston: flashback.
• 18:53
  Maria Pena: flesh.
• 18:54
  Maria Pena: to win there.
• 18:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we got a… we got a Kamo flashback.
• 18:58
  Maria Pena: No.
• 19:01
  Tad Eggleston: To before he was burned.
• 19:04
  Maria Pena: Now…
• 19:04
  Tad Eggleston: When they were both on…
• 19:07
  Maria Pena: Here is that he was kind of taking her to throw her off the cliff.
• 19:14
  Tad Eggleston: Beautiful.
• 19:14
  Maria Pena: I think, like, she, she sort of, managed to tip, tip, him off to the cops, or tip the people that he works for to the cops.
• 19:26
  Maria Pena: And… And she's… she's like, well, I think, you know, if you're gonna throw me
• 19:34
  Maria Pena: You're gonna throw me off this cliff, at least, you know, fucking…
• 19:38
  Tad Eggleston: Last request.
• 19:40
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 19:41
  Maria Pena: And I guess he, you know, he changed his mind.
• 19:45
  Maria Pena: It's a little bit stupidest.
• 19:48
  Marisol: Oh, God.
• 19:50
  Marisol: Sorry, someone's revving their engine unnecessarily outside.
• 19:54
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's always…
• 19:55
  Maria Pena: Can't hear it. Can't hear it.
• 19:57
  Marisol: I apologize.
• 20:01
  Maria Pena: And then, Camo is, runs into Fortunato. Fortunato!
• 20:09
  Maria Pena: Oops. Yeah.
• 20:10
  Tad Eggleston: Who tells Kamo that he's earned a special place in heaven.
• 20:14
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 20:17
  Maria Pena: But maybe that was, him before that. That was Camel kind of feeling regretful that he even thought about it.
• 20:25
  Tad Eggleston: I think so.
• 20:25
  Maria Pena: a little bit of this.
• 20:30
  Marisol: I forget how even back then, like, before he was burned, he never really said much of anything at all.
• 20:36
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 20:36
  Maria Pena: Oh, no, yes, let me see.
• 20:38
  Tad Eggleston: No, his thing is he was, he was the sexy, silent type.
• 20:43
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Tad Eggleston: Then… We're back to Hector, and we're meeting… An Elvis-looking friend.
• 20:57
  Maria Pena: Blackie. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Maria Pena: And he's, you know, speaks like Elvis St. Edio, and all this…
• 21:09
  Tad Eggleston: And he's like, no, you can't leave this chick here.
• 21:12
  Tad Eggleston: He's gotta be the only one that doesn't want Luba left.
• 21:17
  Tad Eggleston: Most guys are happy to have.
• 21:19
  Marisol: Thank you.
• 21:19
  Tad Eggleston: around.
• 21:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Marisol: - we finally get his little…
• 21:32
  Marisol: Tedal card for what you're not doing.
• 21:38
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so what was that, the, Fortunate… oh, Fortunat is, yeah.
• 21:42
  Tad Eggleston: That's true.
• 21:43
  Maria Pena: Doing his shtick in… in the,
• 21:47
  Maria Pena: the street, and he's… Fritz is helping him out by dressing like Pocahontas or something.
• 21:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, isn't that what you always think when you think fortune-telling… Mmm… sexy dude?
• 22:02
  Maria Pena: Is it?
• 22:04
  Tad Eggleston: There should be a…
• 22:05
  Marisol: Sure!
• 22:07
  Maria Pena: Sexy Pocahontas girl.
• 22:09
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Marisol: Yep.
• 22:11
  Marisol: Okay, this is the natural reaction, you know?
• 22:17
  Tad Eggleston: Your little sister couldn't stay for the adulation.
• 22:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 22:25
  Tad Eggleston: Like, why do you care if she's around? I'm here!
• 22:28
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, we missed when they bumped their heads, though.
• 22:32
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, that was.
• 22:34
  Marisol: Oh!
• 22:34
  Maria Pena: Hector… Hector and Luba.
• 22:37
  Tad Eggleston: They slammed their heads together at one point.
• 22:39
  Maria Pena: Weird.
• 22:40
  Tad Eggleston: Ain't they?
• 22:41
  Marisol: Ouch.
• 22:41
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 22:43
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 22:44
  Tad Eggleston: Or maybe that's still to come.
• 22:46
  Maria Pena: Oh, oh no, maybe there is still to come.
• 22:51
  Tad Eggleston: I just was looking at…
• 22:55
  Maria Pena: I guess that, that, that bit with, with Fortunato is…
• 23:00
  Maria Pena: Happening afterward. Like, that's some in-between.
• 23:04
  Tad Eggleston: Because it just, it looks like she's got the band-aid.
• 23:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah, but this is… it's not a… it's like a sequel, like, it's happened afterwards, like, it is not non-linear. No, it's non-linear, yeah.
• 23:16
  Maria Pena: Now we're back to tonight, if you want to call it that.
• 23:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:21
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 23:23
  Maria Pena: And that's when he…
• 23:24
  Marisol: A lot of back and forth on this issue.
• 23:26
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 23:27
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 23:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this is a fun story, though. I, I, I…
• 23:32
  Maria Pena: And that's when they whack their heads and…
• 23:35
  Maria Pena: And then we find out that she and Camo had a, oh, blow up.
• 23:40
  Tad Eggleston: fight.
• 23:41
  Maria Pena: a fight.
• 23:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Maria Pena: And that's why she ended up in the bar wanting to get taken home. Right.
• 23:53
  Tad Eggleston: And then they find… then they find her sister's car by the restaurant.
• 23:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so who knows what… I tore us up to that.
• 24:06
  Tad Eggleston: you know.
• 24:06
  Maria Pena: I guess he just…
• 24:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's good, because Petra would have kicked the shit out of him.
• 24:14
  Marisol: Oh, yeah.
• 24:16
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Marisol: I mean, we've seen her kick the shit out of people before.
• 24:19
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 24:20
  Marisol: She didn't do all that great.
• 24:21
  Tad Eggleston: Nothing. But then Luba leaves with Fortunato.
• 24:30
  Tad Eggleston: And Hector's… Between the girls.
• 24:34
  Maria Pena: That was funny, that…
• 24:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Little moment when he's getting… getting his head massaged, and there's the two sets of boobies above him.
• 24:52
  Maria Pena: Oh, and that was that. So, what was the…
• 24:55
  Tad Eggleston: I think my favorite panel might actually be the… in the next Luba panel.
• 25:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah, there was… there was some good stuff in there.
• 25:07
  Tad Eggleston: There were lots of good stuff, but I loved the Casemira leading the…
• 25:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Marisol: She's great.
• 25:18
  Maria Pena: a parade.
• 25:22
  Marisol: And honestly, she's… Way more mature than she should be at that age, honestly.
• 25:28
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 25:29
  Tad Eggleston: And Venus. Venus and Casimira are the, like, we had to grow up, cause… Well, Mom didn't.
• 25:44
  Maria Pena: And, yeah, I guess it's,
• 25:47
  Maria Pena: That seems to be the theme in all the Luba, all the women
• 25:51
  Maria Pena: I don't know whether it's surname.
• 25:52
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, that's kind of what happened with…
• 25:56
  Maria Pena: With Maria, with Luba, and…
• 25:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Luba guy…
• 26:00
  Marisol: Sala.
• 26:01
  Tad Eggleston: Luba got left behind, so…
• 26:04
  Tad Eggleston: Ophelia had to grow up because she had to take care of Luba. Luba had to grow up because Ophelia really hadn't grown up yet, so, like, sometimes she took care of Luba, and sometimes she was…
• 26:18
  Tad Eggleston: a teenager, And… and… that's actually, if anything, better than what Petra and… Fritz had with Maria.
• 26:30
  Maria Pena: Yep. Yeah, there he is.
• 26:32
  Marisol: They were basically just left alone all day.
• 26:36
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 26:40
  Tad Eggleston: Or worse, they were.
• 26:41
  Marisol: Technically.
• 26:42
  Tad Eggleston: Alone, but she was passed out in the bedroom, so they might as well have been.
• 26:48
  Marisol: And I still remember that one issue where, Petra and Fritz were little. Right. And I think it was Petra Fell?
• 26:55
  Marisol: And she was unconscious for, like, the whole day. Yeah. Because Fritz didn't know what to do.
• 27:00
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 27:01
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Maria Pena: And they're… yeah.
• 27:06
  Maria Pena: They were just dressed in their…
• 27:09
  Maria Pena: School uniforms and not go to school and all sorts of stuff, yeah.
• 27:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah…
• 27:16
  Maria Pena: Yeah, she was very neglectful, she was horrible.
• 27:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, there's some generational trauma in this family.
• 27:29
  Marisol: Oh, yes, that is an understatement.
• 27:38
  Maria Pena: Huh.
• 27:40
  Maria Pena: And the… did you… did we see the back… the back… did we mention the back cover of this?
• 27:46
  Tad Eggleston: But then, and I don't know if we've learned this yet, I'm pretty certain that Maria's father…
• 27:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, no.
• 28:00
  Tad Eggleston: Maria's father wound up taking in Maria.
• 28:05
  Tad Eggleston: after… Maria's mother's husband killed Maria's mother.
• 28:13
  Maria Pena: Oh, man, no, man.
• 28:15
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, God.
• 28:17
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so, I mean, like… It all trickles down.
• 28:24
  Tad Eggleston: You know, Maria.
• 28:26
  Marisol: Very long line.
• 28:27
  Tad Eggleston: Have a great… go of it either. Like, so each generation is better.
• 28:36
  Tad Eggleston: Which is… which is the way it often works.
• 28:40
  Maria Pena: Hmm…
• 28:41
  Tad Eggleston: But, but they started… From some rough… rough places.
• 28:47
  Tad Eggleston: I do also like this Fortunato…
• 28:49
  Tad Eggleston: Panel with the car… floating cards.
• 28:53
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 28:57
  Tad Eggleston: Very statuesque.
• 28:59
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Joe, that's a mullet he's got.
• 29:02
  Maria Pena: A heck of a mother.
• 29:11
  Maria Pena: I'm looking through all the panels, and I think this has a lot of nice panels, but nothing that…
• 29:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, they're…
• 29:21
  Maria Pena: There wasn't an issue.
• 29:23
  Tad Eggleston: I wasn't?
• 29:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 29:24
  Tad Eggleston: As much that, that, that stuck out, stuck out.
• 29:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah, usually I'll be reading it, I'll be like, oh, that's a good paddle, you know? Yeah.
• 29:35
  Maria Pena: And I…
• 29:36
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 29:36
  Maria Pena: Like…
• 29:37
  Tad Eggleston: They're all good.
• 29:41
  Maria Pena: Yay.
• 29:42
  Maria Pena: No, but… Sometimes a panel will just stop you in your tracks and go, oh, there it is.
• 29:47
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 29:48
  Tad Eggleston: But, but in neither one of the…
• 29:51
  Tad Eggleston: the issues to… well, now, there was… take that back.
• 29:56
  Tad Eggleston: There is a Jaime panel that sticks out for me.
• 29:59
  Tad Eggleston: It's… I loved the… the… the one… yeah, the one where it looks like she's on the ropes.
• 30:09
  Tad Eggleston: Which is really on the bar stools?
• 30:14
  Marisol: That's a good one.
• 30:17
  Maria Pena: Well, I like the cameraman POV. I thought that was pretty amazing.
• 30:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's…
• 30:24
  Maria Pena: Because… because I was like…
• 30:26
  Maria Pena: it… it kind of suddenly just clicked. I was like, oh, this is black all around, because I was like, why is this… why… why is this black?
• 30:35
  Maria Pena: The other, you know, outside of the panels, and then I realized, oh, it's the, you know, it's the cameraman's…
• 30:42
  Maria Pena: View, and all the sounds, all the balloons are outside, on the black, not inside the… because that's…
• 30:51
  Maria Pena: that's real sound coming from outside of the, the screen… of the camera, you know what I mean?
• 30:58
  Maria Pena: Because it's separate?
• 31:00
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 31:01
  Tad Eggleston: That is… that is really brilliant storytelling.
• 31:05
  Maria Pena: And, like, some of the… see some of the sound?
• 31:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's all outside.
• 31:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 31:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 31:13
  Maria Pena: All the sound of club, bonk, tinkle, that's all happening outside of the camera.
• 31:18
  Maria Pena: So it is a brilliant story, isn't it? I thought that whole page for me…
• 31:23
  Maria Pena: But that actually stopped me, I was like, whoa.
• 31:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 31:29
  Tad Eggleston: That's, that's a brilliant, brilliant page.
• 31:32
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 31:33
  Maria Pena: I mean, there were… and there were other things, but yeah.
• 31:38
  Tad Eggleston: And I think… I think if I was choosing a panel, I love this last one where, where.
• 31:43
  Maria Pena: Merry Christmas. Who is that?
• 31:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Merry Christmas looks back and is like, oh, were you filming?
• 31:49
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 31:53
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, inside, the action's fantastic, yeah.
• 32:02
  Marisol: I think mine's gotta be the page… was it page 16, this is? Yes?
• 32:08
  Marisol: 16, 18?
• 32:10
  Marisol: Where Maggie's looking through the window at the scene changing.
• 32:13
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah.
• 32:14
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 32:15
  Marisol: Sid and all them.
• 32:19
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it was good.
• 32:21
  Marisol: Just like how Maggie's position never changes.
• 32:25
  Marisol: But it's just the scene through the window that does.
• 32:29
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 32:31
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 32:34
  Marisol: Yeah, at the end of the story.
• 32:35
  Tad Eggleston: this one.
• 32:40
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that one.
• 32:42
  Marisol: Yeah, this one.
• 32:45
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's pretty… that's very cool.
• 32:49
  Maria Pena: And it just kind of brings home the point that Maggie's feeling isolated and lonely, and she's…
• 32:56
  Marisol: Yes.
• 32:57
  Maria Pena: I think she feels like her life is going nowhere at this point.
• 33:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this is definitely a,
• 33:06
  Maria Pena: It's like…
• 33:07
  Tad Eggleston: the Saga of Maggie, this is the…
• 33:10
  Tad Eggleston: The period where she knows least
• 33:14
  Tad Eggleston: Who she is, what she wants, where she's at.
• 33:19
  Tad Eggleston: She's just kind of going through the motions.
• 33:23
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 33:24
  Tad Eggleston: like… like, I mean, she's running this apartment building, but she's not really developing relationships with her tenants.
• 33:32
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean… She's not as connected to the old gang.
• 33:40
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 33:40
  Tad Eggleston: She's single, you know, just everything's…
• 33:44
  Tad Eggleston: out of… out of whack for Maggie right now.
• 33:48
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Maria Pena: And then this situation with Vivian, she's confused about it, because she decides.
• 33:57
  Maria Pena: What do you want to do? And Vivian's like… Oh, bitch.
• 34:07
  Maria Pena: With, Beto, Mmm.
• 34:16
  Maria Pena: I think I really like that story with the woman in the bandages in…
• 34:25
  Maria Pena: Yeah, dunno.
• 34:27
  Marisol: Oh, the one right at the beginning?
• 34:31
  Maria Pena: I think, I think that…
• 34:34
  Maria Pena: panel with her walking down the street. I just did something about that I quite liked.
• 34:42
  Maria Pena: Yeah, it's just a…
• 34:44
  Tad Eggleston: So the mummy in the fur coat?
• 34:47
  Maria Pena: Mommy in the first fur coat, Yeah, I…
• 34:56
  Maria Pena: You know, it's funny, because that stopped me, and I looked at it, and I went, oh, that's a nice…
• 35:01
  Maria Pena: But then, now looking at it, I go, well, it's all right, you know, not the usual, like, I usually like a panel with really great storytelling or whatever, but I think… I don't know why, oh, yeah. I do like the duck panel as well, because I think that's hilarious.
• 35:19
  Maria Pena: I don't know.
• 35:20
  Maria Pena: I like this story.
• 35:21
  Tad Eggleston: I think I like… I like the… the… the… Evening gown.
• 35:30
  Marisol: That is a good look. Shiny.
• 35:32
  Maria Pena: Shiny evening gown.
• 35:34
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and ditching the guy in the tuxedo.
• 35:39
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 35:53
  Maria Pena: Damn.
• 35:57
  Marisol: I just find it funny, the…
• 36:00
  Tad Eggleston: Is… is the… It's the mummy?
• 36:03
  Marisol: the mummy in the evening gown.
• 36:12
  Maria Pena: Yeah, there are probably better panels in the other one, but I just can't put my…
• 36:18
  Maria Pena: can't pick. Anyway, yeah.
• 36:23
  Marisol: Let's see, what is this? Mine might have to be… it's towards the end.
• 36:27
  Marisol: Like, 2 pages before the back cover.
• 36:33
  Marisol: It's 3 panels on the bottom, where it's Hector, Petra, and Venus, Oh, so…
• 36:40
  Tad Eggleston: Other…
• 36:42
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 36:45
  Maria Pena: Oh, look at the moment.
• 36:46
  Tad Eggleston: And the comics and stories.
• 36:49
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 36:54
  Marisol: Sorry, I got my little window minimized, so I can clearly see what comic you guys are on.
• 37:04
  Maria Pena: I just saw a paddle, actually, that I liked, not because of the panel pedal, but because of the content, but yeah, that one, sorry, the top,
• 37:15
  Maria Pena: top right, with this. Sometimes I feel like I'm a character in a comic book.
• 37:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Maria Pena: I know.
• 37:20
  Tad Eggleston: Fourth ball breaker.
• 37:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Anyway, I quite like that, but anyway…
• 37:25
  Marisol: Mine are actually on that same page.
• 37:27
  Tad Eggleston: So, so the bottom…
• 37:28
  Maria Pena: 3 here.
• 37:30
  Marisol: The bottom three, yeah, where they're walking past street magicians that I'm not sure if that's supposed to be Fortunato or not. Yeah, I can't.
• 37:37
  Maria Pena: You might be.
• 37:38
  Marisol: But… Hector's talking about how, like.
• 37:42
  Marisol: That's… that's all nonsense and garbage. Petra's like, oh, I thought Remus might like it.
• 37:48
  Marisol: And VIN is just like, no, I see you going through all of that.
• 37:55
  Marisol: Yeah, she says here in the middle one, that's right, I've learned a lot about figuring out secret stuff with you guys trying to sneak things by me.
• 38:03
  Marisol: And then at the last panel, they decide to go back anyway, and they just… Right. I'm just like, the face that Venus makes…
• 38:08
  Tad Eggleston: In that last panel.
• 38:12
  Maria Pena: Venus' space is like, oh, you know, they don't get it. They don't get it.
• 38:17
  Tad Eggleston: Wrong with you guys.
• 38:18
  Tad Eggleston: Sucked in by Fortunato.
• 38:22
  Tad Eggleston: Fortunato moment.
• 38:28
  Tad Eggleston: Fortunato doesn't work on kids.
• 38:31
  Maria Pena: No, huh.
• 38:38
  Marisol: Too funny.
• 38:39
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I forgot about the comic book theme, that was fun.
• 38:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, that was… that… that the fourth wall breaking…
• 38:49
  Tad Eggleston: We're… we're actually in a comic book was… was definitely a fun…
• 38:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 38:54
  Tad Eggleston: twist.
• 38:58
  Maria Pena: Oh, yeah, and the panel with, with actor between the movies was also quite nice.
• 39:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, yes.
• 39:07
  Tad Eggleston: Next week is some Petra Luba, and Fritz.
• 39:12
  Tad Eggleston: And Luba Comics and Stories?
• 39:16
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 39:16
  Tad Eggleston: And… Lovin' Rockets! We will have…
• 39:24
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's a hell of a cover.
• 39:27
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 39:27
  Marisol: Oh, my.
• 39:29
  Maria Pena: Is that, is that easy?
• 39:32
  Tad Eggleston: Looks like it, doesn't it?
• 39:34
  Maria Pena: Hmm, but we…
• 39:35
  Marisol: Yes.
• 39:36
  Maria Pena: long white hair. Maybe?
• 39:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 39:44
  Maria Pena: Aww.
• 39:45
  Marisol: Kinda really hope it is her.
• 39:48
  Maria Pena: Otherwise, it's a ghoul of some kind that we…
• 39:51
  Marisol: Right.
• 39:51
  Maria Pena: I really want to see.
• 39:54
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 39:54
  Marisol: Some kind of haunted nightmare.
• 39:57
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Maria Pena: Oh, the dog.
• 40:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that feels very easy.
• 40:04
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 40:06
  Marisol: Oh, boy.
• 40:07
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and didn't Maggie used to work at that restaurant?
• 40:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's, that's…
• 40:12
  Tad Eggleston: And, and what's her name?
• 40:18
  Tad Eggleston: The… the… the girl that… the… That dated Ray after Maggie.
• 40:24
  Marisol: Oh, danita.
• 40:27
  Maria Pena: Yeah, the data.
• 40:32
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 40:35
  Marisol: This is gonna be a fun one for next time.
• 40:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 40:38
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I can see it already.
• 40:41
  Maria Pena: This girl looks like a…
• 40:42
  Tad Eggleston: a killer issue.
• 40:45
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 40:47
  Marisol: I'm excited for the spooks.
• 40:50
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 40:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Maria Pena: I love it.
• 40:55
  Maria Pena: It just, fits his booze.
• 40:57
  Tad Eggleston: And, and we'll have more, more, more Mario.
• 41:02
  Maria Pena: More meat.
• 41:02
  Marisol: No, no!
• 41:07
  Maria Pena: Oh, boy, these are happening.
• 41:10
  Maria Pena: Jesus.
• 41:11
  Tad Eggleston: Ew.
• 41:12
  Marisol: We should save that for next time, though.
• 41:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, yep.
• 41:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, alright. Well, with any luck next week?
• 41:20
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 41:20
  Maria Pena: We'll be able to…
• 41:22
  Tad Eggleston: Certainly at some point in the near future.
• 41:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, thank you guys, and we were nice, tight 45 minutes again, which I know makes Maria happy, because she gets to have her Saturday.
• 41:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. It makes Marisol and I happy, because we get to go to bed earlier.
• 41:41
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Yes. And have dinner, and… Go ahead and have your.
• 41:45
  Tad Eggleston: I gotta get show notes ready for tomorrow morning.
• 41:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 41:48
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 41:49
  Marisol: Fun.
• 41:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so… Alright, for, the Love & Rockets Book Club, this has been 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next…
• 41:59
  Tad Eggleston: Next page.