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Happy Hour #188: Ponderings on Silent Hill f · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I've never told you, a prodiction
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  Speaker 2: of Iyhart Radio, and welcome to another edition of Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever you're choosing to do, we hope that you're doing
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  Speaker 2: it responsibly. Are you doing everything responsibly, Samantha, Yes, sure,
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  Speaker 2: I just got back from a trip and I did.
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  Speaker 2: We tired.
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  Speaker 1: I am very tired. It takes it out of you.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, I'm doing well and I'm doing it responsibly.
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  Speaker 2: And you, yes, I'm also very tired. I was dog
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  Speaker 2: slash house sitting for Samantha well while you were gone,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not that it's particularly exhausting, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: When I come.
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  Speaker 1: Back when you're not at your own house feels tiring.
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  Speaker 1: It does.
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  Speaker 2: And Peaches and I, you know, we just I try
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  Speaker 2: to I try to make her have fun and so
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  Speaker 2: she's not so sad and so we do a good job.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Well, that is related because today I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to spoil the heck out of Silent Hill. F Okay,
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  Speaker 2: if you do not want to be spoiled on that game,
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  Speaker 2: which just came out on September twenty fifth, twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: I got it. Delivered to some mass place my PlayStation five, which,
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  Speaker 2: if you know, is not easy to move around. Because
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  Speaker 2: I love Silent Hill. I have loved it since I
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  Speaker 2: was quite young and probably way too young to be
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  Speaker 2: playing it, and so I just had to. I had
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  Speaker 2: to play it there, even though I get so scared there.
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  Speaker 2: It's not my house.
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  Speaker 1: Funny, it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a risk, I have to admit. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, this might be a really foolish thing that
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna do. But it worked out. It worked out.
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  Speaker 2: I beat it while I was there, Okay, and there.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a sponsor. I just will say that, but yes,
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  Speaker 2: I am like sometimes I'm like light spoilers, but no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to spoil this all way, okay, because all right, Well,
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  Speaker 2: first off, I think I should say most Silent Hill
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  Speaker 2: games are set in a fictional town in America that
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  Speaker 2: is Centralia, Pennsylvania's based off Centralia, Pennsylvania, because that is
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  Speaker 2: where the underground coal fire has been burning and burning
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  Speaker 2: and burning, and so like the road just splits apart,
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  Speaker 2: like ashes come out and steam comes out of the roads,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like ten people live there now, and everybody
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  Speaker 2: who lives there is not allowed to pass their property
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  Speaker 2: on because they can't get the fire stop. So most
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  Speaker 2: of them have been in America, even though they're Japanese.
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  Speaker 2: Game like, that's a Japanese company that makes them. This is,
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  Speaker 2: to my knowledge, the first one that takes place in Japan,
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  Speaker 2: and it takes place in nineteen sixties Japan. So that
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  Speaker 2: being said, I don't know a lot about Japanese myths,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like there's a lot of stuff in
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  Speaker 2: there that I was thinking, you know, if I knew
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  Speaker 2: more about Japanese culture, I probably get this, but I don't,
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  Speaker 2: so I might have missed some of that. But what
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you is that in this game, you
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  Speaker 2: play Hinoko, who's probably like, I don't know, freshman high
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  Speaker 2: school equivalent age. And I thought, because we're on this show,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like, am I reading too much into this?
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  Speaker 2: Because it feels like the entire message of the game
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  Speaker 2: is don't get married women because it's a trap in
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  Speaker 2: me that it turns out that no, that was pretty
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  Speaker 2: much thesa. I looked it up the next day just
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  Speaker 2: to make sure I wasn't, you know, my feminist brain
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  Speaker 2: wasn't putting messages that weren't really there. Nope, that was
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  Speaker 2: pretty much the message. So you know, you're playing as
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  Speaker 2: this character and she The way Silent Hill kind of
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  Speaker 2: works is usually you're being punished for something or you
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  Speaker 2: think like you have a lot of guilt about something,
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  Speaker 2: so you're in your hometown or whatever, and then you
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  Speaker 2: go to Silent Hill, which is kind of purgatory, and
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  Speaker 2: you have to face these trials and eventually face the
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  Speaker 2: thing you're trying to avoid, of a guilt. So every
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  Speaker 2: time she goes into Silent Hill in this game, there's
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  Speaker 2: this guy in a fox mask who is following her
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  Speaker 2: around and it's just sort of like, in my opinion, creepy.
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  Speaker 2: Another friend of mine was like I could see being
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  Speaker 2: into that. I was like, he's a creeper. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: he's like he's guiding her through these trials, and as
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  Speaker 2: you play her, you see her like say things that
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  Speaker 2: I thought were very unsettling, like oh, when I hold
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  Speaker 2: his hand, I don't have to think about anything and
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  Speaker 2: I just follow what he does. It doesn't nothing else matters.
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  Speaker 2: This is happiness, right, like all of these things, and
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  Speaker 2: she goes through this strange ceremony, like he cuts off
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  Speaker 2: her arm, which some people think is like you give
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  Speaker 2: your hand in marriage, but she does get a cool
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  Speaker 2: hulk arm out of that. I have to say, but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He made.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Plus I guess yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I also have only beaten it once. It I'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about the ending of the second, but there's five
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  Speaker 2: different endings, and I'm given to understand that more about
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  Speaker 2: this fox mask guy is explained, But it is like
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  Speaker 2: he's trying to get her in a marriage because for
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  Speaker 2: some reason, she's from a like special bloodline that was
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  Speaker 2: born on a blue moon. It has all these things
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  Speaker 2: and he wants to control her power, but he's using
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  Speaker 2: marriage to do it. And it turns out you had
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  Speaker 2: your sister Junko. She was like the perfect kid in
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  Speaker 2: your abusive family and got married in an arranged marriage,
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  Speaker 2: and she keeps popping up with all these like didbits
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  Speaker 2: of uni to decide what you want? And you're reading
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  Speaker 2: through Henako's the main characters journal, and she just didn't
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  Speaker 2: like these stereotypes and things she was supposed to conform to.
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  Speaker 2: She was very much like a tomboy. When she got
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  Speaker 2: to middle school, like every her whole friend group changed.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to say her friend groups sucks, but
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  Speaker 2: they changed and she didn't get it. She was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't get why they they all wantays now, I
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  Speaker 2: just that's not my thing. So the ending I got
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  Speaker 2: is that this boy she was who was a really
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  Speaker 2: good friend of hers name, she was giving her these
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  Speaker 2: pills that had not been tested to help with her
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  Speaker 2: stress because her dad was abusive and her mom. She
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  Speaker 2: didn't like her mom either, because she was mad that
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  Speaker 2: her mom, I guess, didn't stand up for herself. So
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  Speaker 2: she was giving her these pills and she is getting
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  Speaker 2: trapped in this arranged marriage that her dad was like
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  Speaker 2: trying to force her into, and she went on to
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  Speaker 2: mask her and killed everybody. It's called the arranged marriage massacre.
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  Speaker 2: And she one must assume she's institutionalized because the ending
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  Speaker 2: was so oh. I was so confused at first that
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know she was still alive because they're
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  Speaker 2: talking about her. You overhear all of your friends talking
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  Speaker 2: about you like you're dead, and so I thought maybe
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  Speaker 2: she was in a coma. I actually had died. And
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  Speaker 2: she does go through this whole ritual where she does
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  Speaker 2: she kills her friends. But I mean sat Hills like
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  Speaker 2: that where you're always guessing the reality of what you're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: But from what I read online, note she is alive
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  Speaker 2: and she just killed people at her wedding and his
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  Speaker 2: pills that she was taking still affected. So yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty Harrow's home. This whole marriage thing, and the way
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  Speaker 2: you like read her journal, she does see it as like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, her sister got married and then was taken
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  Speaker 2: away from her. Her mom is in this marriage where
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  Speaker 2: she's being abused and all of all of these things
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  Speaker 2: and just all these fights and they're in debt and
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  Speaker 2: like not a good relationship. And also the kitchen comes
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  Speaker 2: up a lot because he's always yelling. Her dad's always
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  Speaker 2: yelling at her mom about I don't like what you cook,
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  Speaker 2: and she's always like you, well, then you should cook,
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  Speaker 2: which I related to because I got into that with
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  Speaker 2: my mom too. I was like, why do you If
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  Speaker 2: they don't like what you cook, then they can cook,
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  Speaker 2: you know. So I saw that. And then she's got
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  Speaker 2: kind of her this guy's shoe who is her partner,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what they call each other when they were
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  Speaker 2: best friends and they had this game that they played
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  Speaker 2: all the time, and her relationship with him made her
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  Speaker 2: other friend Rinko super jealous to like, I might I
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  Speaker 2: might murder you jealous and probably does in another ending
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  Speaker 2: I'll find out. But you've got him and he's like
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  Speaker 2: the quote nice guy in the real world that was
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  Speaker 2: giving her these pills. And then you've got the Fox
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  Speaker 2: guy who's sort of the dangerous let me cut your
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  Speaker 2: arm off guy. But they both they both treat her differently,
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  Speaker 2: and she comments on it, like several times, like, don't
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  Speaker 2: talk about me like that. They like Fox guy says,
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  Speaker 2: she's really delicate, Like they have all these things where
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to protect and control her choices, and it's
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  Speaker 2: made pretty clear that she sees it as in the end,
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  Speaker 2: like she has this battle between the woman who's trying
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  Speaker 2: to take her over and the woman she wants to be.
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  Speaker 2: And it's clear that, like in the in the bad ending,
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  Speaker 2: you lose who she was and she gets married and
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  Speaker 2: she loses her identity and she becomes his identity. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my gosh. And then yeah, just the whole kind of
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  Speaker 2: friend groups fracturing and uh, especially between her her female
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  Speaker 2: friends even though she yeah, also not great, but her
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  Speaker 2: friends and her that you can read, there's a part
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  Speaker 2: where you can see in their minds and see what
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  Speaker 2: they actually think of you, and it's so terrible. But
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  Speaker 2: it's things like, you know, you don't realize she acts
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  Speaker 2: like she does it she's not one of the girls,
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  Speaker 2: but she doesn't realize how pretty she is. And now
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  Speaker 2: she's she's with Shoe and she's just leading him alone.
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  Speaker 2: Like all this is really negative, like stuff that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of us have heard like in middle school. Is
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  Speaker 2: a very tumultuous time. Yeah, I'm glad it. Well, I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad it wasn't this tumultuous for me, but yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: do have I remember thinking that too, but I was
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  Speaker 2: more in terms of, like I don't get everybody suddenly
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  Speaker 2: wants to date now and there's all this drama around it.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a very it was a very interesting game.
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  Speaker 2: I was not expecting such a message about marriage being
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  Speaker 2: a trap, and you know, from what I read, like
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  Speaker 2: the other endings, I kind of felt validated, both because
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  Speaker 2: people had written about it. It's not just me thinking this,
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  Speaker 2: but also I feel like in every ending, if you
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  Speaker 2: get married, that's the bad ending. There's not a good
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  Speaker 2: You don't want those dudes, right, you don't want those dudes,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we always say on here, happy marriage,
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  Speaker 2: equal marriage, equitable marriage. Great, that's fantastic. But it was
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  Speaker 2: so interesting and especially given the time because it's set
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties, that it was just interesting that
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  Speaker 2: it had this message of that and her being so
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  Speaker 2: resistant to it and not wanting to really like she
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  Speaker 2: just really hated because you can read her journal as
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  Speaker 2: she goes along and it gets she gets angry and angry.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, that's not who I want to be, that's
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  Speaker 2: not what I want to do, And who am I?
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  Speaker 2: If you get the good ending, she's like, I'm this
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  Speaker 2: is who I am. I remember my name, but if
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  Speaker 2: you get the bad ending, she forgets her name and
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  Speaker 2: also like changing your name. But anyway, I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited to get a different ending. I haven't. I've
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  Speaker 2: like looked up generally what they are, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of spoiled herself.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I well, just because I wanted to know, how
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  Speaker 2: do you even get the second ending? And I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: I looked it up because you can't every other ending.
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  Speaker 2: You can't take the red pills that you because the
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  Speaker 2: red pills you find them around and they heal you
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. So if you're dying, you take the
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  Speaker 2: red pills, and there's a ton of them. If you
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  Speaker 2: want to get any under indo, you can't take the pills.
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  Speaker 2: So I know that at least, and I'm almost done
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  Speaker 2: beating it a second time, so okay, I'll report back.
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  Speaker 2: But the fifth, the fifth and true ending, I think,
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  Speaker 2: is the one where you learn about like the gods
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  Speaker 2: that are fighting in the town, like the ancient gods,
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  Speaker 2: and you learn the truth of the fox Masque, which
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  Speaker 2: is all they call him, so I yeah, but and
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  Speaker 2: then you learn the truth. I'm pretty sure. In the
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  Speaker 2: good ending, she it's both of her live like she
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  Speaker 2: becomes kind of the the one with the fox arm,
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  Speaker 2: the whole arm, but also she has the version. She
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  Speaker 2: has the version in Silent Hill and her hometown, so
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  Speaker 2: we'll see. Yeah, I was bad at it, though, Samantha
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  Speaker 2: got my kid. Well it's hard, it's like purposely hard.
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  Speaker 2: You can only use melee weapons. But also if you're
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  Speaker 2: not you're not used to the new controls, and they'll
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  Speaker 2: kill you fast. All right, all right, I've gotten much better,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm embarrassed because I had friends over like the
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  Speaker 2: first two hours I played it talking. Oh no, not
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  Speaker 2: at all, not at all. Well anyway, are youse listeners
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  Speaker 2: have any thoughts about this? If you've played it, please
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