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7/6/26: Netanyahu Israeli Coup, Iran Mourns Ayatollah Chanting Death To America · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 5: We are going to start with Natanyahu, who did an
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Speaker 5: interview on Fox News yesterday.
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Speaker 6: We're celebrating the fourth of July.
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Speaker 5: Who else would we talk to but Benjamin Netanya, who
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Speaker 5: the representative of our final congressional district. This might Cockabe
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Speaker 5: recently put it, so you really say that, yes he did,
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Speaker 5: we are he said, Jerusalem was. But we are going
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Speaker 5: to get into a little bit of the political problems
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Speaker 5: at home for Nazianna who as well today, right because
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Speaker 5: those are starting to mount as well.
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Speaker 3: The funeral pulled off a coup basically will so well, well, we.
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Speaker 5: Have a guest who's going to break that down for us.
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Speaker 5: But also we're going to be talking about the funeral
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Speaker 5: held in Iran this weekend, along with some updates in
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Speaker 5: Lebanon and updates and Iran as well. But you're going
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Speaker 5: to want to see the images and hear some quotes
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Speaker 5: from the funeral that was held for Comeni this weekend.
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Speaker 5: So lots to get into on that. Trump gave a
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Speaker 5: big Fourth of July speech. Mom Donnie also gave a
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Speaker 5: Fourth of July speech, kind of dueling speeches. It was
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Speaker 5: We're going to start now with Netta Yahu's interview on
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Speaker 5: Fox News where he's laughing off Jade Vance's claim that
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Speaker 5: Israel is losing support around the world.
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Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and take a look at a two.
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Speaker 4: If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government,
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Speaker 4: I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that
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Speaker 4: I have, but anywhere left in the entire world.
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Speaker 6: What was your reaction when you heard that?
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Speaker 7: First of all, I respect jd Vance, we have a
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Speaker 7: very good relationship, but doesn't mean that I agree with
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Speaker 7: everything that he says, and I have to point out this,
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump is great, the greatest friend we ever had
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Speaker 7: in the White House, and I stand by that completely. Secondly,
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Speaker 7: we have some other friends, like a small country called India.
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Speaker 7: You know, it has one point four billion people, and
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Speaker 7: boy do we have a tremendous support there. You know,
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Speaker 7: I have this Facebook thing and I'm just funded by
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Speaker 7: these by the overwhelming support there. And we have many others.
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Speaker 7: Let me tell you where we have support, because it's
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Speaker 7: fashionable now. And you know, in many countries, because their
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Speaker 7: media and their social media are inundated with anti Israel,
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Speaker 7: anti Semitic material, many leaders you know, call me up
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Speaker 7: and say, hey, look, I've got this problem with public opinion.
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Speaker 7: But I want you to know we respect you, and
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Speaker 7: can we make some deals, and can you teach us
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Speaker 7: some of the things that your military does, and can
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Speaker 7: we have some of your AI and cyber expertise. You know,
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Speaker 7: Israel as the number two countries in cyber in the world,
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Speaker 7: and our technology is sure, it's so good. So the
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Speaker 7: relations are not quite as they appear. And we have
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Speaker 7: we have many, many friends, and I have to tell
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Speaker 7: you we also take care of our friends, especially the
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Speaker 7: Christians in the Middle East, the Christian villages in Lebanon,
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Speaker 7: some of them have actually asked to be a next
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Speaker 7: to Israel because we protect them against Chris Baalah fanatics
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Speaker 7: who want to kill them, and we do the same
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Speaker 7: things with Christians everywhere Christians in the Middle East.
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Speaker 5: Well, meanwhile, let's go ahead and take a look at
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Speaker 5: this footage from southern Lebanon over the weekend.
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Speaker 6: We can roll the next element.
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Speaker 5: You see this on your screen, Ryan, The strikes have
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Speaker 5: continued very much.
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Speaker 3: Yes, they're diminished, reduced.
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Speaker 4: So oftentimes what Israel means by his tease fire is
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Speaker 4: that their attacks are going to be reduced from what
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Speaker 4: they were before, certainly not go to zero. So you're
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Speaker 4: seeing and we'll talk about some of the ongoing killings
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Speaker 4: in Gaza as well. But I had to listen to
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Speaker 4: that Dnyaho comment a couple times because I was like,
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Speaker 4: did he really say it's not true that Israel is
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Speaker 4: isolated because there are a lot of Indians on Facebook
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Speaker 4: that are supportive. I went back and watched you don't
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Speaker 4: believe me, go back, scroll back watch that again. That
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Speaker 4: is in fact the argument. Think about the superpower level
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Speaker 4: of propaganda that has come out of the Israeli government
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Speaker 4: for decades, and compare it to what NTNA who is
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Speaker 4: now saying that they are not completely globally isolated because
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Speaker 4: there are Indian bot farms basically that are whipping up
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Speaker 4: support on Facebook.
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Speaker 3: Facebook.
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Speaker 5: I mean, even just citing one additional one additional country
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Speaker 5: was quite interesting from Natsanya, who's like, we have a
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Speaker 5: little friend called India.
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Speaker 3: And you should see him on Facebook.
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Speaker 5: It's not nothing, but it's not undermining jd Vance's point.
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Speaker 4: The Hindu nationalism that is surging in India has as
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Speaker 4: much hatred of Islam and embedded in it as Netnyahu does.
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Speaker 4: And so it's true that there's some like ideological or
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Speaker 4: whatever you would call it, sympathy there. And it is
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Speaker 4: very true that Indian social media is very supportive of Israel.
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Speaker 3: Like the all that is true.
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Speaker 4: It is just kind of embarrassing that that's the last
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Speaker 4: thing you're hanging your hat on. When he's talking about
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Speaker 4: Christian villages in southern Lebanon. You know what he you
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Speaker 4: know what Israel did say.
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Speaker 3: To Christian villages in southern Lebanon.
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Speaker 4: If you shelter any Muslims who are fleeing from our attacks,
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Speaker 4: we will level you too. So that is the expression
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Speaker 4: of the love that Netya who says he has for
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Speaker 4: Lebanese expisasions. Also finally, Israel's in the Middle East. It's
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Speaker 4: just so odd to me that he would be that
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Speaker 4: transparently hostile to Muslims while being in the Middle East,
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Speaker 4: Like to just transparently say, look, Christians like us, which
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Speaker 4: isn't true because they are ruthless to Christians both in
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Speaker 4: Palestine and in southern Lebanon. But even if that were true,
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Speaker 4: like to just explicitly come out and say, you've basically
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Speaker 4: written off relations with the population of like ninety plus
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Speaker 4: percent of the Middle East, that where you exist is.
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Speaker 3: Is a choice.
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Speaker 5: So what you're saying, I mean the obvious response to that,
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Speaker 5: he would say, well, there's a lot of hostility coming
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Speaker 5: towards us, except.
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Speaker 4: Well, he says, he's best friends or Saudi Arabia, the UAE,
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Speaker 4: he's got friends and cuts or even though some doesn't
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Speaker 4: like all the countries.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's part of his political problem.
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Speaker 4: He has a bunch of friends in Lebanon, he's got
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Speaker 4: they fund a bunch of people in Syria. He loves
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Speaker 4: the Kurds like or he claims to like. So he
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Speaker 4: claims he's got these The Abraham Accords are based on
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Speaker 4: the idea that he can coexist with all of these
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Speaker 4: other yeap some countries. But when he's being honest, he's like,
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Speaker 4: you know who I really like and loves India and
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Speaker 4: you should see him on Facebook. Yeah, go ahead and
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Speaker 4: look at some of the comments that these Indians are
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Speaker 4: making on Facebook.
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Speaker 3: It would make Nick Fuents blush.
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Speaker 5: Also interesting that Fox News is Jackie Heinrich got that interview.
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Speaker 5: I don't want to leave the segment without noting that
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Speaker 5: her husband, Brian Fitzpatrick, they literally just got married a
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Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago. I pulled up on track a
10:49
Speaker 5: PAC the Pennsylvania delegation. He has taken the most money
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Speaker 5: from Pro Israel packs in the entire Pennsylvania delegation, more
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Speaker 5: than Fetterman, more than Brendan Boyle, like actually by a
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Speaker 5: huge and he's taken nine hundred and twenty four thousand,
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Speaker 5: almost a million, And that's like actually way ahead of
11:06
Speaker 5: everybody else in the Pennsylvania delegation, which again just to note,
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Speaker 5: includes John Fetterman.
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Speaker 6: According to the track APAC.
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Speaker 4: Numbers, Philadelphia suburbs. He's a very talented politician. He keeps
11:17
Speaker 4: hanging on against these democratic attacks, trying to He's one
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Speaker 4: of the remaining what you would you know, outside of
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Speaker 4: supporting an extremist, genocidal state, moderate Republican.
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Speaker 5: Let's go and talk about updates from Gaza as well,
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Speaker 5: because there were some over the weekend.
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Speaker 6: Let's put a four up now.
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Speaker 4: So this is doctors Abu Sofia, who was if people
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Speaker 4: will remember here, arrested in December of twenty twenty four
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Speaker 4: at kamal Ottawan Hospital. His hospital was surrounded and he
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Speaker 4: continued operating and treating patients as the as the IDF
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Speaker 4: was sacking the hospital.
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Speaker 3: There was this famous.
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Speaker 4: Photo of him if you remember, seeing and walking across
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Speaker 4: the rubble toured an Israeli tank in order to be detained.
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Speaker 3: So that was almost two years ago.
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Speaker 4: At this point, all of the information that has come
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Speaker 4: out from his family and his attorneys over the preceding
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Speaker 4: succeeding time is that he has been tortured, just relentlessly,
12:21
Speaker 4: lost an extraordinary amount of weight, and so he finally
12:24
Speaker 4: he's been moved. He's no charges whatsoever, just administrative detention
12:28
Speaker 4: that they just every six months. They just keep him
12:31
Speaker 4: in administrative attention. So he's just a hostage. And so
12:37
Speaker 4: he recently met with his lawyer and he's as he
12:41
Speaker 4: got transferred to another underground prison, and he told his
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Speaker 4: lawyer quote, this is the end.
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Speaker 3: This is the last time you'll see me. They brought
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Speaker 3: me here to kill me.
12:51
Speaker 4: And the lawyer said he had bruises on his eyes,
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Speaker 4: his ears, his head, and there was serious fear that
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Speaker 4: he has brain bleeding from the torture that is going
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Speaker 4: that is going to kill him. And we'll talk about
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Speaker 4: this in a little bit with an Israeli journalist. The
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Speaker 4: High Court in Israel has ordered him, has ordered the
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Speaker 4: Ideaf to present some information about his case because there
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Speaker 4: is like serious attention on his case. A very celebrated physician,
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Speaker 4: he wrote, he wrote a column for the New York Times,
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Speaker 4: which is not a column, an op ed, which is
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Speaker 4: what people suspect is why they've been treating him so
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Speaker 4: viciously to as a as an example, like you, you
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Speaker 4: think you're a celebrated physician who can speak in the
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Speaker 4: New York Times about what's going on in Gaza. No,
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Speaker 4: we're going to We're going to show that We're not
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Speaker 4: afraid to torture even somebody like that, And so think
13:52
Speaker 4: about it. If we'll torture him, you, who is a
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Speaker 4: much lesser figure, who's not in the New York Times,
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Speaker 4: is not a celebrated physician like you, have no chance
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Speaker 4: now that the Israel is going through a either a
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Speaker 4: coup or a constitual crisis. So whether they're going to
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Speaker 4: follow the orders of the Supreme Court remains to be seen.
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Speaker 4: A couple other West Bank developments that we can get
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Speaker 4: to really quickly if you want to, like a couple
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Speaker 4: a couple of crazy things where we had, you know,
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Speaker 4: you have to just repeatedly check these to be like,
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Speaker 4: is this is this possible?
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Speaker 3: That this is this is really going on.
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Speaker 4: We finished with eight a five, just so anybody who
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Speaker 4: wants this is the update from UH from drop Side
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Speaker 4: about the latest killings in Godz or you can pause
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Speaker 4: that UH and and read those if you want to.
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Speaker 4: A father was killed a year ago. They just killed
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Speaker 4: his son over over the weekend, and there they.
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Speaker 3: Continue to recover bodies.
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Speaker 4: If you can put up four killed in over the week,
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Speaker 4: you put up a six. It's horrifying footage. It's not
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Speaker 4: graphic though, it is a gut punch. This is a
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Speaker 4: checkpoint west of Ramala where a family is trying to
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Speaker 4: take their their four month to a waiting ambulance on
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Speaker 4: the other side of the checkpoint, and the Israeli soldiers
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Speaker 4: just won't won't let the family throw and so the
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Speaker 4: ambulance just sits there on the other side of the
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Speaker 4: checkpoint helplessly. Uh and the and the and the four
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Speaker 4: month old baby died waiting. That was Akhmed Zaid from
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Speaker 4: from dere Mar, like just as a as a parent,
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Speaker 4: like it's just it's just incomprehensible to be to be
15:37
Speaker 4: in a situation like that.
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Speaker 3: And and for these you.
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Speaker 4: We've all we've all encountered bureaucrats who are just like
15:45
Speaker 4: immune to the urgency of a situation that we're in.
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Speaker 4: Usually it's not a four month old that needs emergency treatment.
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Speaker 4: And there's an ambulance on the other side of the checkpoint.
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Speaker 4: And then we have a nine another like absolutely shocking
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Speaker 4: video that I had to watch several times to figure
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Speaker 4: out what you just saw.
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Speaker 3: The Israeli soldier throw a stun gun inside a car,
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Speaker 3: stuff the door closed with people in it, and close
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Speaker 3: the door.
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Speaker 4: An American people have mav and I say, is but
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Speaker 4: an American soldier who did that, it would be an
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Speaker 4: absolute scandal, Protests in the street, court martial investigations. And
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Speaker 4: anybody watching this program knows how I feel about the
16:26
Speaker 4: American military. I am not its biggest champion or defender,
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Speaker 4: but think about that. In comparison, they make the American
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Speaker 4: military look like the most moral army in the world.
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Speaker 3: Two And it's one thing.
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Speaker 4: Oh, if it's just a bad apple and they violated
16:41
Speaker 4: their training, it turns out it's not. The training with
16:45
Speaker 4: a stunt grenade is not to throw it into an
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Speaker 4: occupied car and close the door on the occupants. What's
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Speaker 4: shocking is we all know there will be no consequences
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Speaker 4: for that person.
16:56
Speaker 3: And there will.
16:57
Speaker 4: Be some brave people hand half a dozen who will
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Speaker 4: go out in protest. They'll get beaten. Those are heroic
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Speaker 4: Israelis who will do that. But you're talking about like
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Speaker 4: a half a dozen dozen people. There will not be
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Speaker 4: mass protests, and there will not be political backlash backlash.
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Speaker 4: There won't there won't be a reckoning. How did we
17:19
Speaker 4: get to a place where we're okay with a four
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Speaker 4: month old baby dying at a checkpoint and a soldier
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Speaker 4: throwing a stun grenade into a car with civilians in
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Speaker 4: it and then closing the door on it, Like, how
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Speaker 4: do we get there?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 4: What's going on in the Israeli political system, which we've
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Speaker 4: been teasing here is quite incredible. Yes, Yes, the basically
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Speaker 4: Nenyah who has been trying to consolidate control of the media, which.
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Speaker 3: Is going on all over the world. This is this
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Speaker 3: is what you're seeing in countries.
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Speaker 4: The Supreme Court, the High Court in Israel pushed back
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Speaker 4: against him.
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Speaker 6: This blew up over the weekend.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and said, you said you can't do that, this
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Speaker 4: is this is illegal. You set up this fake second
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Speaker 4: commission that's over regulating the media.
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Speaker 3: That's not the proper one.
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Speaker 4: This is the official proper regulator, and we're reviewing this
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Speaker 4: deal where you're trying to concentrate wealth. Then Yahoo announced
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Speaker 4: over the weekend that is an illegal order. We're not
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Speaker 4: going to We're not going to follow it.
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Speaker 5: Those are Times of Israel headline in first government vows
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Speaker 5: to disobey high court ruling, setting up constitutional crisis.
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Speaker 4: Not even Trump has done this. Trump has disobeyed some
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Speaker 4: lower court rulings or kind of ignored them. Not completely
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Speaker 4: disobeyed them explicitly and then appeals to the Higher court.
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Speaker 4: Trump has never yet and hopefully he won't disobeyed a
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Speaker 4: Supreme Court ruling because once you do that, then all
18:46
Speaker 4: the guardrails are off, because then you're just then you're
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Speaker 4: just an unchecked authoritarian government.
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Speaker 5: Right. And you can see from this Haretz headline this
18:55
Speaker 5: is Hertzog call it a red line and joined other
18:57
Speaker 5: officials and pushing back against government decision to defy high
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Speaker 5: court order. And again we have a guest who's going
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Speaker 5: to break some of these internal political dynamics down for us.
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Speaker 5: But this the stakes for Detnahu were already high, and
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Speaker 5: certainly now Ryan, they're even higher.
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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, yes, sure are.
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Speaker 4: So let's bring in uh Noga Turnipalsky back to breaking
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Speaker 4: points to discuss. All right, So joining us now is
19:23
Speaker 4: Noga Tarnopalski. It's rarely join us is Raeli journalists joining
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Speaker 4: us from Jerusalem. A lot a lot of Jay's there, Noga,
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Speaker 4: thanks so much for being.
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Speaker 8: Here, Thank you for inviting me.
19:34
Speaker 5: Shout out to Noga's cat and just walked into the
19:36
Speaker 5: shot as well. We love cats on breaking points, So that.
19:39
Speaker 8: Cat is Melissund, who's named for the twelfth century Queen
19:43
Speaker 8: of Jerusalem, the only queen Jerusalem ever had.
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Speaker 6: It's a powerful cat.
19:47
Speaker 4: There we go, and Noga just launched the substack BB
19:50
Speaker 4: and beyond BB, already giving her a lot of news
19:53
Speaker 4: for this. So tell us about this coup slash constitutional
19:58
Speaker 4: crisis wires some people calling it a coup and what
20:02
Speaker 4: is the constitutional crists layout for people who are kind
20:06
Speaker 4: of new to this question.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I'll do my best, although I just want
20:11
Speaker 8: to start out by saying that the most serious people
20:16
Speaker 8: I know who are addressing this, for example, professor of
20:20
Speaker 8: constitutional law Hebrew University called Mota Kremnitzer, and the Attorney
20:26
Speaker 8: General of Israel, Gali Baharavmara, they're calling this an insurrection.
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Speaker 8: And I'm saying that because I do think that in
20:34
Speaker 8: useful ways it can be compared to January sixth, in
20:37
Speaker 8: that it's an effort to illegally control some of the
20:43
Speaker 8: power of the state. But now I'll take a step back. Sure,
20:48
Speaker 8: there are two facets to what has happened here in
20:51
Speaker 8: the last twenty four hours. On the one hand, what
20:54
Speaker 8: we had is a Supreme Court ruling about a government
21:00
Speaker 8: decision basically removing the media regulator and allowing the government
21:07
Speaker 8: to control almost all of the media space, very much
21:12
Speaker 8: on the Hungarian model of how Victor Orban basically eliminated
21:17
Speaker 8: the free media in Hungary and took over all of
21:21
Speaker 8: the organs of the media. That was a decision passed
21:24
Speaker 8: by this government, and after months of deliberations, yesterday the
21:27
Speaker 8: Supreme Court ruled that the government can't do that and
21:31
Speaker 8: that the regulator must continue operating. So, in a narrow way,
21:37
Speaker 8: what the government has said is, no, we're not going
21:40
Speaker 8: to adhere to that ruling. We're going to take control
21:43
Speaker 8: of this regulator and we're going to control the media
21:46
Speaker 8: in these months leading up to an election. But the
21:49
Speaker 8: reason people are calling it a coups de'ttas isn't the
21:52
Speaker 8: specifics of that law. It's that the government has decided
21:57
Speaker 8: that the Supreme Court is no longer the law of
21:59
Speaker 8: the land. Supreme Court rulings have no bearings, and so
22:03
Speaker 8: what that means, certainly in the eyes of the Attorney
22:05
Speaker 8: General the state that in Israel's a civil servant. In
22:08
Speaker 8: the eyes of former Prime Minister Yayer Lapid, who's head
22:13
Speaker 8: of the opposition, he said that as of yesterday, this
22:15
Speaker 8: is a criminal government, a rogue government. The reason people
22:19
Speaker 8: are reacting that way is the expectation that the government
22:21
Speaker 8: is going to use this as a precedent and no
22:24
Speaker 8: longer recognize the rule of law going forward now towards
22:29
Speaker 8: the elections.
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Speaker 5: And that's what I was going to ask I me
22:31
Speaker 5: in Israel, lest we forget as a fairly young country.
22:35
Speaker 5: And so what precedent, if any, is there for this?
22:38
Speaker 5: I mean, how significant politically and constitutionally is what's happening
22:42
Speaker 5: right now?
22:43
Speaker 8: This is an earthquake. The state of Israel was established
22:47
Speaker 8: in nineteen forty eight. It's a seventy eight year old country.
22:51
Speaker 8: This has never happened ever, even in this most extreme
22:56
Speaker 8: Nisayao government that made its its desire hire basically to
23:01
Speaker 8: perpetrate a push clear, very very early on in this mandate. Now,
23:06
Speaker 8: the government was basically came back into power around January
23:11
Speaker 8: first of twenty twenty three. On January fourth of twenty
23:16
Speaker 8: twenty three, not the Attorney general, the Justice Minister of Israel,
23:21
Speaker 8: Netsan yahu Man called Yariv Levin, announced that he was
23:26
Speaker 8: going to hold a press conference, and he basically stood
23:29
Speaker 8: behind a lectern and he said he was I'm quoting
23:32
Speaker 8: now launching the first phase in a reform of the
23:37
Speaker 8: administration of the state. Now that is the announcement of Akuditta.
23:42
Speaker 8: We're changing the way the state is run. We're changing
23:44
Speaker 8: the institutional structure of the state. For reasons that are
23:48
Speaker 8: really beyond me. The media shorthand for what the government
23:52
Speaker 8: did that day was judicial reform, but this was not
23:56
Speaker 8: a judicial reform, never presented as a judicial form. The
23:59
Speaker 8: government became very extreme also in terms of its efforts
24:03
Speaker 8: to illegally hold onto power.
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Speaker 6: Really from the.
24:05
Speaker 8: Start still until yesterday, the government, no government in the
24:11
Speaker 8: history of the State of Israel has ever said an
24:13
Speaker 8: official statement we're not adhering to the Supreme Court ruling.
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Speaker 4: And I want to get into some of the broader
24:21
Speaker 4: implications of this, but on a specific case, we earlier
24:25
Speaker 4: in the program talked about doctor Hosam Abu Sofia, who
24:30
Speaker 4: is in the news because telling his lawyer this is
24:34
Speaker 4: the end. They're trying to kill me. And the High
24:37
Speaker 4: Court has pushed the Israeli government for some answers on
24:42
Speaker 4: his situation. What does this ignoring of court orders, how
24:49
Speaker 4: does you know? How does it play into the ability
24:52
Speaker 4: of the courts to get information about doctor Abosophia's case
24:57
Speaker 4: or the case of any Palestinian who was in administrative
25:00
Speaker 4: detention or or otherwise in detention.
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Speaker 8: I was going to say, anyone, you know that there
25:05
Speaker 8: protests Jewish protesters against this government who've been held in
25:09
Speaker 8: administrative detention for more than four months. So again, on
25:13
Speaker 8: many levels, the Nataniel government is a rogue government and
25:17
Speaker 8: that sort of should be framing. I think our understanding
25:20
Speaker 8: of what's happening. The government is not yet in breach
25:24
Speaker 8: of a court order regarding doctor Hussam Abusafya. The government
25:30
Speaker 8: this was another decision, but it was an appeals decision,
25:34
Speaker 8: so it wasn't a ruling by the Supreme Court. It
25:37
Speaker 8: was simply an order by the court yesterday accepting a
25:40
Speaker 8: petition by an Israeli NGO called Physicians for Human Rights,
25:45
Speaker 8: ordering the government by tomorrow to tell the court what
25:52
Speaker 8: is his health condition, why is it so bad, and
25:55
Speaker 8: to explain what his treatment is. But I do want
25:59
Speaker 8: to want the lens a little bit because doctor Kusamabusafia,
26:05
Speaker 8: who is a well known doctor and headed the Gaza's
26:09
Speaker 8: Kamal re Dwan Hospital. He was detained in November twenty
26:14
Speaker 8: twenty four. No charges have been brought against him, and
26:18
Speaker 8: there's been no explanation by the Army of why he's
26:22
Speaker 8: being held, despite you know, occasional repetitive kind of media requests.
26:28
Speaker 8: He appeared to be in perfectly good health when he
26:31
Speaker 8: was detained. And I mentioned all this because I did
26:34
Speaker 8: make some inquiries yesterday. I thought we were entering to
26:37
Speaker 8: war crime territory. It's not clear that we are, because
26:41
Speaker 8: administrative detention during wartime isn't per se illegal. However, Israel
26:47
Speaker 8: clearly has a duty of care towards him. There are
26:51
Speaker 8: a lot of rumors going around about what has made
26:54
Speaker 8: him so unwell, but I doubt we're going to hear
26:58
Speaker 8: anything from the Army before tomorrow, the deadline given by
27:01
Speaker 8: the court. And until then, what we have to face
27:05
Speaker 8: is the situation in which Netanyahu gave extraordinary powers to
27:10
Speaker 8: two people who are on the most extreme fringes of society.
27:15
Speaker 8: So the minister in charge of National Security, which means
27:18
Speaker 8: police and the prison service, is a guy convicted thirteen
27:23
Speaker 8: times of hate crimes and terror Itamar Benvir, and a
27:27
Speaker 8: guy who is officially the Minister of Finance of Israel
27:32
Speaker 8: Secretary of the Treasury of Israel was also given, like
27:35
Speaker 8: you know, a second job as a sort of secret
27:39
Speaker 8: deputy Defense Minister in charge of the occupied territories of
27:43
Speaker 8: the West Bank. Doctor Kusamabusafia is being held in a
27:46
Speaker 8: prison in the West Bank, in offa prison. So I'm
27:51
Speaker 8: very concerned, not only because I trust this NGO and
27:55
Speaker 8: I trust his lawyer. I'm very concerned because the two
27:59
Speaker 8: men who may be exerting power in order basically to
28:05
Speaker 8: cause extreme suffering for doctor Abusafie. You know, these are
28:12
Speaker 8: the guys who have the power to do it, even.
28:14
Speaker 5: Though it's not a straight line, right right, Well, can
28:18
Speaker 5: you break downe the political dynamics of the upcoming election
28:21
Speaker 5: as well, like how have Neatnahu's opponents reacted to this,
28:24
Speaker 5: how has lacud reacted to this?
28:27
Speaker 6: What's what's it looked like in the last several days.
28:30
Speaker 8: So it's just really the last two days because this
28:32
Speaker 8: happened yesterday and today. But it's a really interesting question.
28:36
Speaker 8: So the opposition actually came out pretty good, I would say,
28:40
Speaker 8: as I think I mentioned to the former Prime Minister,
28:44
Speaker 8: Lapide said that as of yesterday, this is an illegal government,
28:48
Speaker 8: a criminal government. Then the another former prime minister who
28:56
Speaker 8: was served with Lapide and a Ftalie Bennett said that
28:59
Speaker 8: this is bringing Israel to anarchy. The Attorney General, who
29:04
Speaker 8: i'm as i mentioned to as a civil servant, but
29:07
Speaker 8: she came out with a very very powerful statement basically
29:11
Speaker 8: saying this is an assault on the rule of law.
29:16
Speaker 8: That is the first person from Israeli officialdom saying this
29:20
Speaker 8: is an insurrection. A member of the Labor Party in
29:24
Speaker 8: the Kanesset of a congressperson in Israel now Malasimi has
29:29
Speaker 8: already called for Nitzagnel to be arrested for sedition and
29:33
Speaker 8: for endangering national security. This is not as crazy as
29:38
Speaker 8: it sounds, because under Israeli law, the Shinbeck, the Internal
29:43
Speaker 8: Security Service, is statutorially charged with protecting the democratic institutions
29:49
Speaker 8: of the state. Now, Nitzagnajo just a few months ago,
29:53
Speaker 8: I think presaging the current crisis installed in a very
30:00
Speaker 8: dodgy maneuver, installed a kind of messianic non democrat lowercase
30:06
Speaker 8: D democrat as head of the shin Bet. So we
30:09
Speaker 8: have not heard from the shin Bet. But inciting to
30:17
Speaker 8: thwart the course of law is a crime in Israel.
30:21
Speaker 8: So Nittagnani's government are getting themselves into deeper and deeper
30:26
Speaker 8: trouble with every step the liqude has begun showing some
30:32
Speaker 8: cracks and this really is very interesting. So the Minister
30:37
Speaker 8: of Communications, the guy behind this particular kind of media
30:41
Speaker 8: takeover law, came out fighting and he basically was the
30:45
Speaker 8: one who put out the official statement on behalf of
30:47
Speaker 8: the cabinet saying, you know, we've decided towards the Supreme
30:51
Speaker 8: Court screw, to put it bluntly. But then there have
30:56
Speaker 8: been two prominent members of Nitzanio's inner circle who have
30:59
Speaker 8: tried to backtrack, and so one is the Cabinet secretary,
31:04
Speaker 8: not a minister of the Cabinet secretary put out a
31:06
Speaker 8: very confused, bizarre statement last night basically saying, no, we
31:10
Speaker 8: didn't say we won't adhere to Supreme Court ruling. We
31:14
Speaker 8: said we'll use all legal tools in our hands to
31:18
Speaker 8: go against the Supreme Court ruling. They have no legal
31:22
Speaker 8: tools because this is a Supreme Court ruling. But you
31:24
Speaker 8: got the sense that there were probably some difficult discussions
31:28
Speaker 8: being held, and I had the sense, yesdir I don't
31:30
Speaker 8: have proof of this, but I have a lot of
31:32
Speaker 8: experience with these people. I did have the sense last
31:35
Speaker 8: night that there might be some n'taill ministers saying to themselves,
31:41
Speaker 8: I don't want to go to jail for this guy,
31:43
Speaker 8: and also saying to themselves, this is going to kill
31:47
Speaker 8: us in the elections. And since last night there have
31:50
Speaker 8: been leaks today of ministers being pretty fearful. It's important
31:56
Speaker 8: to underscore that while Nitagna whu won to take control
32:00
Speaker 8: of the media, and while Nittagna who has really put
32:04
Speaker 8: together an unbelievably dastardly avalanche of laws that he wants
32:10
Speaker 8: to try and get through the Kannesset in the next
32:13
Speaker 8: ten days, basically before this Knesset session is automatically brought
32:19
Speaker 8: to an end, and because we will be ninety days
32:23
Speaker 8: before the legal deadline for elections, this government will automatically
32:27
Speaker 8: become an acting government and its powers in Nitagna Who's
32:31
Speaker 8: powers will be significantly curtailed again under law, assuming the
32:35
Speaker 8: government adheres to the law law, they're trying to pass
32:41
Speaker 8: any number you know of laws. And it's actually today
32:47
Speaker 8: I heard a very interesting interpretation of this situation from
32:51
Speaker 8: the leader of the opposition. Yeah you're Lapide, who said
32:54
Speaker 8: he thinks that Bibi Nataille is trying to get an
32:58
Speaker 8: invite to the White House as early as next week,
33:01
Speaker 8: right because he doesn't want it. Yeah, he said so
33:04
Speaker 8: on Fox News yesterday. Lapede's interpretation is that Nizagnielle doesn't
33:10
Speaker 8: want to be in Israel for these kinetic votes because
33:12
Speaker 8: his own voters they hate this legislation. They're the ones
33:17
Speaker 8: who you know, obey the law and want to live
33:21
Speaker 8: in a state of law. Their right wing, some of
33:23
Speaker 8: them still worship him, but they don't want any of
33:26
Speaker 8: These are laws that you know, transfer millions and millions
33:30
Speaker 8: of dollars to the ultra orthodox, to draft dodgers, and
33:34
Speaker 8: so Lapede's theory of what's happening is that Nizania wants
33:38
Speaker 8: to pass all these laws so that his coalition partners
33:41
Speaker 8: are happy and he can stay in power. But he
33:45
Speaker 8: knows his voters hate it, so he wants to come
33:47
Speaker 8: back from DC and say, well, so you know I
33:50
Speaker 8: didn't vote for them.
33:51
Speaker 4: Well to that, to that point, I wanted to get
33:53
Speaker 4: your you're helping getting some contacts on an interesting exchange
33:57
Speaker 4: on Israeli intelligence with the Lacud minister. You can put
34:02
Speaker 4: up a ten here and you can tell me if
34:05
Speaker 4: they if they have the translation right. But he's saying, so,
34:10
Speaker 4: you mean ideologically you agree with Jewish Power, which is
34:14
Speaker 4: the Ben Gevier party, and the minister says there aren't
34:19
Speaker 4: many differences between Jewish Power, Ben Gavier's party and Lacud.
34:25
Speaker 4: Let's just underscore that. Let's just make sure we're clear
34:29
Speaker 4: about that. Who is she and what should we be
34:35
Speaker 4: drawing from the fact that a minister in the government
34:37
Speaker 4: is saying that actually Ben Gavier's party and the Lacud
34:41
Speaker 4: are basically the same thing.
34:42
Speaker 3: And also, let's pause for a second.
34:43
Speaker 4: If there was a party in the US called White
34:46
Speaker 4: Power that was as dominant as Ben Gavier's is, there
34:52
Speaker 4: would be no mystery as to where they stood on
34:54
Speaker 4: the kind of political spectrum.
34:56
Speaker 3: But so what should we draw what is she saying?
34:59
Speaker 4: What should we draw from her claim that actually Lakud
35:02
Speaker 4: and Jewish Power are basically the same party At this.
35:04
Speaker 8: Point, yes, she said they're ideologically indistinguishable. Look, I take
35:09
Speaker 8: it very seriously. I don't take her as a person
35:13
Speaker 8: very seriously. My Golan is basically a weaker female version
35:18
Speaker 8: of Itamar ben Vir of Beisalid Smotrich of Yariv Levin,
35:23
Speaker 8: the Justice Minister of Miki Zar, the Culture minister who
35:28
Speaker 8: today tried to clean up this mess a little bit
35:31
Speaker 8: and he tried to kind of make it clear. He said,
35:35
Speaker 8: we're not causing a constitutional crisis. The Supreme Court is
35:38
Speaker 8: because they made an illegal ruling. You know, this kind
35:40
Speaker 8: of mucking it all up. This is a government that
35:44
Speaker 8: in its totality is very, very extreme. My Golan is
35:51
Speaker 8: accused herself by the way of all kinds of crimes.
35:54
Speaker 8: She has one of these money wasting ministries just basically
35:58
Speaker 8: intended to keep her onside. I think she's the Minister.
36:01
Speaker 4: For Social Acquiry and the advancement of the status of women,
36:07
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, exactly what she dream Yes very much.
36:12
Speaker 8: Now, notice that she just said that she, at least
36:16
Speaker 8: or her party has no ideological differences with a party
36:21
Speaker 8: that is theocratic, anti democratic, profoundly misogynistic, and I could
36:27
Speaker 8: continue segregationist. I want to mention somebody who I take
36:32
Speaker 8: more seriously and who said the same thing yesterday, and
36:35
Speaker 8: maybe you can get a clip of him too, Amina
36:39
Speaker 8: Dove Begging. He's an academic. He's not a well known
36:43
Speaker 8: public figure, but he's the grandson of the legendary right
36:48
Speaker 8: wing Sorry.
36:50
Speaker 4: No, I did see this comment. This is k Malcolm
36:52
Speaker 4: Beggin's grandson, I believe it was, but go ahead.
36:55
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's Manavan Begging's grandson, I think is in his fifties,
36:58
Speaker 8: and he he has become increasingly, I would say, a strident,
37:05
Speaker 8: an important voice in the Israeli public sphere. And he
37:09
Speaker 8: says that this party led by Natania, who is not
37:11
Speaker 8: the Likud, It's not the party created by his grandfather.
37:14
Speaker 8: Remember that his grandfather, I think his seventies and eighties
37:18
Speaker 8: was considered beyond the pale extremist. You know, it was
37:22
Speaker 8: a right wing takeover of Israel the time. And yet
37:25
Speaker 8: he was a man who believed profoundly in the institutions
37:29
Speaker 8: of the state, who strengthened the judiciary, who spoke repeatedly
37:34
Speaker 8: in public about the importance of democratic institutions. He wanted
37:38
Speaker 8: to be a right wing prime minister, but he wanted
37:40
Speaker 8: to do it with authority. And so now we have
37:43
Speaker 8: his grandson and he said yesterday he said this is
37:47
Speaker 8: not a constitutional crisis. He said, this is a Kahanist kudta.
37:53
Speaker 8: He gave a really remarkable interview that I would urge
37:57
Speaker 8: anyone to see because he he believes that he represents
38:02
Speaker 8: what is truly the right wing, and he confessed in
38:04
Speaker 8: this interview. He said that for a long time, he
38:07
Speaker 8: himself voted for Naitanelle, that you know, he kind of
38:10
Speaker 8: considered him a normal right wing leader, and that what's
38:13
Speaker 8: happening now is an insurrection.
38:16
Speaker 3: All right, Well, thanks for.
38:20
Speaker 4: Updating us on this quite dramatic series events Nogatanopolski and
38:26
Speaker 4: BB and beyond is a substect that she just launched.
38:29
Speaker 3: Israeli journalists really appreciate you being here.
38:31
Speaker 8: I'm flies with you, guys. Thank you.
38:34
Speaker 3: You got it.
38:37
Speaker 5: Massive gatherings in Tehran over the weekend for the funeral
38:41
Speaker 5: of the Supreme Leader Ali Kamini, and let's put some
38:45
Speaker 5: of this. Let's put this New York Times headline up
38:46
Speaker 5: on the screen. They went with this headline, mourner's chant
38:49
Speaker 5: revenge at funeral prayers for Iran's slain Supreme leader.
38:53
Speaker 6: Just reading a little bit from the report.
38:54
Speaker 5: Tens of thousands of mourners, including senior Iranian officials, packed
38:58
Speaker 5: to run on Sunday for funeral prayers for the slain
39:01
Speaker 5: Supreme Leader, as crowds chanted calls for revenge. Conspicuously absent
39:06
Speaker 5: was his son and successor, Moushtaba Khameni, who has not
39:08
Speaker 5: been seen in public since succeeding his father who was
39:12
Speaker 5: killed at the onset of the war. And these crowds
39:15
Speaker 5: were rolling and massive. Let's go ahead and take a
39:20
Speaker 5: listen to the scene in Tehran over the weekend. So
39:37
Speaker 5: that was the infamous death to America, chant and Ryan,
39:41
Speaker 5: Just what's your reaction off the bat here to what
39:45
Speaker 5: we saw. I mean, this was massive, massive support obviously
39:49
Speaker 5: for a supreme leader and no Mashaba Khamene. Also though
39:55
Speaker 5: a pretty clear sign of strength from the IRGC's perspective
40:00
Speaker 5: into this operation where apparently the I ergycy was decimated.
40:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were told that the Iranians would, just like
40:08
Speaker 4: the Iraqis, would greet us with you know, candies and
40:10
Speaker 4: flowers and liberties and would celebrate the our assassination of
40:15
Speaker 4: common a. Instead, you have one of the largest gatherings
40:22
Speaker 4: of people like in the world.
40:23
Speaker 5: And after one of the largest slaughterings of Iranians in January.
40:29
Speaker 3: Right, which is probably.
40:31
Speaker 5: Which is why we thought they were weak, right, and
40:33
Speaker 5: it would be easy for the Kurds to come in
40:35
Speaker 5: and people would overthrow them.
40:37
Speaker 6: This is what it looks like now.
40:38
Speaker 4: Right, And the Iranians have put like have said that
40:41
Speaker 4: they believe three thousand, at least three thousand. They put
40:45
Speaker 4: out the names of at least three thousand people security
40:48
Speaker 4: forces and protesters who were killed.
40:51
Speaker 3: Or riot rioters or whatever you want to You know
40:53
Speaker 3: that also that there.
40:54
Speaker 4: Were some armed insurgants as well, So at least three thousand.
40:57
Speaker 4: That is a lot of people. You see this, these
41:00
Speaker 4: bizarre numbers of thirty thousand and sixty seventy five thousand
41:03
Speaker 4: flowed by Trump and other people, no evidence that's anywhere
41:07
Speaker 4: near that. Still, even three thousand is a lot. And yeah,
41:11
Speaker 4: the Israelis and the Americans were convinced that the Iranian
41:14
Speaker 4: people were desperate for regime change. They wanted maybe they
41:20
Speaker 4: wanted the Shah, who know, the Shah's son, who knows
41:22
Speaker 4: who they wanted back in. And it's a big crowd.
41:27
Speaker 4: Does not necessarily mean you ninety percent support, No, not
41:31
Speaker 4: all I still have.
41:32
Speaker 5: That's not born out by any of the point that
41:33
Speaker 5: people have been able to ascertain or it's I mean,
41:36
Speaker 5: that's not an easy thing to do. But I think
41:37
Speaker 5: I've heard Sarabamarri obviously make the point that it's it's
41:41
Speaker 5: not like the IRGC has the support of a majority
41:45
Speaker 5: of Iranians, but opposition to America has support of a
41:49
Speaker 5: majority of Iranians.
41:50
Speaker 3: It's right we have united the country in that.
41:53
Speaker 4: I've seen some people salty at the death to America
41:56
Speaker 4: chant and the death Israel chant, but not as much
42:01
Speaker 4: saltiness as you might have seen in the past. I
42:03
Speaker 4: think people are starting to like approach this with a
42:06
Speaker 4: little bit of common sense. Well, for one thing, what
42:08
Speaker 4: people might not know it translates to death to America.
42:11
Speaker 4: But if you heard the rhythm of it, it's it's
42:14
Speaker 4: just kind of a nice chant and it really means
42:16
Speaker 4: kind They use it as it has the nice rhythm
42:20
Speaker 4: to it, and it really means down with Like that
42:24
Speaker 4: would be a probably more kind of accurate cultural translation,
42:28
Speaker 4: down with America, down with Israel. That aside, Trump has
42:35
Speaker 4: described this as Pearl Harbor, right. He compared it to
42:38
Speaker 4: Pearl Harbor, right that because it was a surprise attack
42:41
Speaker 4: in the middle of the negotiations. We are still deeply
42:46
Speaker 4: angry in the United States about Pearl Harbor.
42:50
Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor, they attacked the Navy in Hawaii.
42:56
Speaker 5: Trump had a veteranshipman from Pearl Harbor on stage at
42:59
Speaker 5: the fourth of July.
43:00
Speaker 6: Did you see this miss this incredible?
43:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure it was. I'm sure it was.
43:04
Speaker 4: But you know, they attacked it, they surprise attacked a
43:07
Speaker 4: military target. We thought it was dastardly because it was
43:10
Speaker 4: a sneak attack. Sneak attacks or dastardly it was it
43:14
Speaker 4: was on a military target. Imagine if the Japanese had
43:17
Speaker 4: also hit a girls school in Hawaii and killed you know,
43:24
Speaker 4: one hundred, you know, one hundred and fifty plus students
43:28
Speaker 4: and teachers, mostly young girls, and then also killed you know,
43:33
Speaker 4: FDR killed, the head of the military, killed the vice president,
43:37
Speaker 4: you know, killed.
43:40
Speaker 3: Like, how do you think we would feel at that point?
43:43
Speaker 3: Like the chance?
43:46
Speaker 4: I thought, and I think, but I think people in
43:48
Speaker 4: the US are are actually much more kind of aware
43:51
Speaker 4: of the context this time, and so they see that
43:54
Speaker 4: chance they're like, yeah, okay, you know, what what we
43:57
Speaker 4: did was really bad and and I get it.
44:02
Speaker 5: Well, there are realist consequences to war, obviously, political consequences.
44:08
Speaker 3: And being reckless and how you carry it out.
44:10
Speaker 5: Now, I do think when you see death to America, chance,
44:13
Speaker 5: even if it's translated into something.
44:16
Speaker 6: That down with.
44:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think most Americans look at that and say, well,
44:20
Speaker 5: we definitely don't want them to have a nuclear weapon.
44:22
Speaker 5: It's just a question of like the means to the end,
44:25
Speaker 5: And that's I think for a lot of people. When
44:27
Speaker 5: you look at our record the last twenty years, I mean,
44:32
Speaker 5: look at a rock right now.
44:34
Speaker 6: Is Saddam Hussein there?
44:35
Speaker 5: No? Is it a much friendlier country to the United States,
44:38
Speaker 5: Like significantly friendlier countries to the United States create a
44:41
Speaker 5: power vacuum that created isis And so the idea that
44:44
Speaker 5: you were going to have a war that wasn't significant
44:48
Speaker 5: with a ground invasion and lasted for months and months
44:50
Speaker 5: that actually truly decapitated the regime, I think a lot
44:54
Speaker 5: of people were obviously skeptical of that, as.
44:56
Speaker 6: They should have been skeptical of that.
44:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's the.
45:00
Speaker 5: This is a show of solidarity for some chunk of
45:03
Speaker 5: the country United against the United States. Not that that's
45:06
Speaker 5: particularly surprising to anybody, But if you had showed scenes
45:09
Speaker 5: of this before or as let's say, after we had
45:13
Speaker 5: on February twenty eighth, if people showed you these scenes,
45:17
Speaker 5: like you could fast forward and do like a time
45:19
Speaker 5: travel jump and its like, this is what Iran is
45:21
Speaker 5: going to look like in July and.
45:22
Speaker 6: The war, by the way, it is going to be over.
45:23
Speaker 6: We're gas but we're going to have a ceasefire.
45:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna be getting nothing.
45:27
Speaker 6: What are we doing?
45:28
Speaker 3: Right?
45:29
Speaker 6: What are we doing?
45:29
Speaker 4: And to your point about nuclear weapons? And people do
45:32
Speaker 4: need to include myself, need to remember this. We've done
45:35
Speaker 4: some polling on this question about Iran having a nuclear weapon,
45:40
Speaker 4: and the American people are very much opposed to the
45:44
Speaker 4: idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon. How much they're
45:47
Speaker 4: willing to do just you know, see that outcome to
45:53
Speaker 4: the end is up for debate. But if you ask them,
45:56
Speaker 4: it's like eighty plus percent of people Democrats, Independence, Republicans.
46:01
Speaker 4: I'm in the minority where I'm like, I don't care.
46:04
Speaker 4: I'd rather nobody had them. Yeah, but if somebody's gonna
46:06
Speaker 4: have them, what do I care?
46:08
Speaker 6: But the other question is means to an end? Right?
46:10
Speaker 5: Like again, when the war began, it was pretty obvious
46:13
Speaker 5: people were shocked when the Chegos islands like that, that
46:18
Speaker 5: ICBM got close to the islands.
46:20
Speaker 6: It's like, well, if.
46:21
Speaker 5: You take a look at the map of North Korea's
46:24
Speaker 5: ability where they also say things like death to America
46:27
Speaker 5: and sentiment. Uh, they already have like worldwide, we're in
46:31
Speaker 5: their range.
46:32
Speaker 6: Because that's just Europe, like the whole world is in
46:34
Speaker 6: their range and they have nuclear weapons.
46:36
Speaker 3: So it's why it's good that he's Trump's best friend.
46:38
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we're good. Yeah, well Trump's button is bigger.
46:41
Speaker 3: Don't forget that, that's right.
46:43
Speaker 6: As we learned on Twitter at one point.
46:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
46:45
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean the idea that the war was
46:49
Speaker 5: going to turn transform the country.
46:53
Speaker 6: Obviously, this is what.
46:54
Speaker 3: Did just just not in the way that we but.
46:56
Speaker 5: Not fundamentally transformed like the way Empowered.
47:00
Speaker 4: Works empired the IRGC and brought them a lot more
47:04
Speaker 4: revenue and lifted them out of the sanctions.
47:07
Speaker 3: Abyss.
47:08
Speaker 5: Now, given what drop site has reported, what did you
47:10
Speaker 5: make of the I told his son not being at
47:14
Speaker 5: the funeral?
47:14
Speaker 3: Right?
47:14
Speaker 4: So that's that was That was something that people have
47:18
Speaker 4: have picked up on the reporting, was that he wanted
47:21
Speaker 4: to be there and was really pressured, you know, not
47:24
Speaker 4: to be there for what they say are security reasons.
47:28
Speaker 3: We'll talk about in a second.
47:30
Speaker 4: Now, you know those the legitimate nature of those security concerns.
47:35
Speaker 4: It has sparked, you know, controversy inside inside Iran as
47:38
Speaker 4: people are jocking for power. There's also some question about,
47:43
Speaker 4: you know, how badly he was injured in the strike
47:46
Speaker 4: that killed comment a Comedy's fourteen year old grandson, his
47:51
Speaker 4: wife like his, a lot of comment Comedy's family, as
47:56
Speaker 4: well as.
47:58
Speaker 3: Senior leaders.
48:00
Speaker 4: The word that keeps coming out is that he was
48:04
Speaker 4: significantly wounded. So perhaps they don't want to show how
48:09
Speaker 4: badly he was wounded. But at the same time, we
48:14
Speaker 4: can put up B three here. The US and Israel
48:19
Speaker 4: are maniacs, like they cannot be trusted to not just
48:23
Speaker 4: kill anybody the first opportunity they get. So Trump told
48:28
Speaker 4: Axios here that they agreed to quote take a week
48:33
Speaker 4: off and that quote neither side will shoot at the
48:36
Speaker 4: other in order to.
48:38
Speaker 3: Allow time for the morning.
48:41
Speaker 4: Trump also told Axios that he was shocked at the
48:44
Speaker 4: outpouring of support for the man he assassinated, and he
48:49
Speaker 4: ruminated at one point.
48:51
Speaker 3: Quote maybe it's faked tears.
48:53
Speaker 4: So there's hundreds of thousands of people coming out to
48:56
Speaker 4: fake cry just to get one over on Trump, I guess.
49:01
Speaker 4: But then Trump added, they're all there, one shot, and
49:06
Speaker 4: we can take them all out, which isn't brackets, but
49:08
Speaker 4: that's what he means. One shot and they can take
49:09
Speaker 4: them all out. But we are not going to do
49:11
Speaker 4: that because then we would have nobody to negotiate with.
49:15
Speaker 4: So you can see even in that moment, Trump just
49:18
Speaker 4: kind of salivating at the opportunity of more killing, like more.
49:24
Speaker 3: Oh, now the new people that came in, I could
49:26
Speaker 3: kill them all.
49:27
Speaker 4: There's something captivating to him about the idea of just
49:30
Speaker 4: being able to kill people with impunity. But the thing
49:34
Speaker 4: holding him back, as he says, is well, then who
49:38
Speaker 4: would we negotiate with.
49:40
Speaker 5: Well, let's put B five on the screen. Skip ahead here.
49:43
Speaker 5: This is a report from NBC News headline, US was
49:46
Speaker 5: concerned Israel might try to kill Iran negotiators. According to sources,
49:51
Speaker 5: US officials were concerned that Israel might try to assassinate
49:54
Speaker 5: Iran's negotiators during recent cease for our talks in Tehran.
49:56
Speaker 5: Was worried about that about the possible threat, according to
49:59
Speaker 5: a US of official and an Iranian official with knowledge
50:02
Speaker 5: of the matter.
50:03
Speaker 6: Ryan, So that got leaked from US to the press.
50:07
Speaker 3: Yes, this was crazy.
50:08
Speaker 4: So you remember the Islamabad talks where Arachian Ghaliboff, and JD.
50:14
Speaker 4: Vance all were there for like twenty four hours, and
50:17
Speaker 4: then Vance kind of abruptly was like, we can't make
50:20
Speaker 4: any progress. These guys aren't serious, and I'm going home.
50:23
Speaker 4: So he goes home. The Pakistanis then escort the Iranian
50:28
Speaker 4: delegation to the border, and as they're getting close to
50:30
Speaker 4: the border, the US picks up that Israel has scrambled
50:35
Speaker 4: fighter jets in Iranian territory headed towards or headed towards
50:39
Speaker 4: Iranian territory with the intent of shooting Arachian Golliboff's plane down,
50:45
Speaker 4: and the US itself then scrambles and tells they say,
50:51
Speaker 4: allies probably you know Turkey, Egypt Cutter, you know, they're
50:54
Speaker 4: working the phones, and the US dimes out Israel and
51:00
Speaker 4: says tell the Iranians that Nan Yahoo's trying to kill them.
51:06
Speaker 4: And so their plane makes an emergency landing just over
51:10
Speaker 4: the border inside Iran and they get in cars and
51:14
Speaker 4: drive like the eight hours to Tehran, which must have
51:17
Speaker 4: been just an insane drive.
51:19
Speaker 3: You imagine being in those cars, like.
51:22
Speaker 4: You're like going through these like rugged winding mountain passes.
51:28
Speaker 3: You're like, maybe what if we turned the headlights off.
51:32
Speaker 4: Drivers like yeah, yeah, then we're gonna plunge off his mountain.
51:35
Speaker 3: I think we need the headlights.
51:37
Speaker 4: But then you're like, yeah, but if I don't want to,
51:39
Speaker 4: you don't want to spook the drivers.
51:40
Speaker 3: You don't exactly want to tell them why.
51:42
Speaker 6: I like this out.
51:45
Speaker 4: And everybody and you know, phones off, like everybody phones
51:49
Speaker 4: in the bag. Yeah, turn turn your turn your satellite
51:53
Speaker 4: devices off. So maybe if you have your phones off,
51:58
Speaker 4: they wouldn't know which caravan to hit it. Then they're
52:01
Speaker 4: just bombing like random, like Iranian villagers everywhere from.
52:08
Speaker 3: But yeah, so this is our ally.
52:11
Speaker 4: They So if there's any question about how hostile they
52:14
Speaker 4: are to a cease fire and a peace deal, let's
52:18
Speaker 4: let that disabuse any confusion.
52:21
Speaker 6: And on the topic actually of.
52:24
Speaker 5: The that's the right way to put an efficacy of
52:28
Speaker 5: the military action.
52:29
Speaker 6: Let's go to B four.
52:31
Speaker 5: So we've also been told that Hamas is totally decimated.
52:35
Speaker 5: This war was going to eradicate Hamas well. The speaker
52:39
Speaker 5: of the Iranian Parliament, as you all reported here at
52:41
Speaker 5: drop site, met with Hamas's Political Leadership Council chairman at
52:46
Speaker 5: the Sunday delegation in Tehran during the funeral ceremonies. So Ryan,
52:51
Speaker 5: that's also again it's a similar parallel. Now Hamas has
52:57
Speaker 5: been much more what's the best way to put it,
53:01
Speaker 5: much has has been much more damaged. Yeah, they're not
53:05
Speaker 5: really shooting back October seventh, the post October seventh war
53:08
Speaker 5: of course than the IRGC.
53:11
Speaker 6: But here they are living to negotiate and living to
53:16
Speaker 6: talk to the.
53:16
Speaker 4: Iranians, right, and Israel continues to violate the cease firing Gaza,
53:23
Speaker 4: and Hamas, to your point, has not really been has
53:27
Speaker 4: not been hitting back, and Iran has also not really
53:32
Speaker 4: made demands about Gaza part of its negotiating strategies.
53:37
Speaker 6: We hadn't really covered. But that is interesting.
53:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, they there's you know, there's a parallel track that
53:43
Speaker 4: has a UN mandate.
53:44
Speaker 3: It's really interesting that.
53:47
Speaker 4: The Iranians, you know, have genuine respect for the UN
53:52
Speaker 4: and you and take those processes seriously. And the fact
53:54
Speaker 4: that the border piece got this UN blessing and has
53:59
Speaker 4: created a negotiation track actually means something. It's funny because
54:04
Speaker 4: we've here in the US were told that they're this
54:06
Speaker 4: like rogue state and a bunch of terrorists. We are
54:09
Speaker 4: the ones that really have the most amount of hostility
54:12
Speaker 4: to the UN and to international law. But in practice,
54:17
Speaker 4: like you know that that's ongoing now, they're they're trying
54:21
Speaker 4: to be as supportive as they can. And I know
54:23
Speaker 4: a lot of supporters of Palasan have been frustrated that
54:27
Speaker 4: that Gaza has not been more right central to the
54:32
Speaker 4: the cease fire negotiations whereas Lebanon has well.
54:36
Speaker 5: And that was a huge obviously point of disagreement with
54:41
Speaker 5: the Abraham Accords, right, was that the Palestinian cause was
54:45
Speaker 5: being squeezed.
54:46
Speaker 3: Out, which was the whole Yeah, that was the whole.
54:48
Speaker 4: The whole idea behind the Abraham Accords was like we
54:50
Speaker 4: can actually we don't have to solve this. We'll just
54:53
Speaker 4: move We'll just move forward without it, right, without solving.
54:56
Speaker 6: It, right, right?
54:58
Speaker 5: Okay, So also looking at this of Hormuz market's about
55:01
Speaker 5: to open here as we are recording this, but let's
55:05
Speaker 5: put the next element up on the screen. It does
55:07
Speaker 5: look like as drops reported here, according to City Bank,
55:10
Speaker 5: crewed oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz have recovered
55:13
Speaker 5: to about seven million barrels per day. That is up
55:15
Speaker 5: from near zero levels, as you guys put it, during
55:18
Speaker 5: the height of the conflict. That's according to City analysts
55:20
Speaker 5: who were cited by the Financial Times. But before the war,
55:23
Speaker 5: the straight carried twenty to twenty one million bpd of oil,
55:26
Speaker 5: that is, including fifteen million of crude and five million
55:29
Speaker 5: of the refined petroleum products.
55:31
Speaker 6: That seven million estimate, as.
55:33
Speaker 5: Dropsite put it, likely under states actual traffic because many
55:36
Speaker 5: commercial tankers have switched off. And we can go ahead
55:40
Speaker 5: then put B seven up on the screens to report
55:43
Speaker 5: from CNBC that a cargo vessel in the Red Sea
55:48
Speaker 5: coming under attack according to the UK's Maritime Trade Operations Center,
55:54
Speaker 5: So shipping across the region, I was going to say
55:59
Speaker 5: unsteady right now, Maybe that's a good way to put it.
56:02
Speaker 4: But moving upward, And as City Bank points out, seven
56:06
Speaker 4: million is what they counted, and that doesn't count the
56:09
Speaker 4: people that turned off their transponders. So if you were
56:13
Speaker 4: carrying twenty to twenty one million barrels per day before
56:16
Speaker 4: the war, and you've got seven million that you can see,
56:19
Speaker 4: if you have seven million that you can't see, at
56:23
Speaker 4: least you're getting back up to somewhere between half and
56:25
Speaker 4: two thirds of the pre war shipment. The because we
56:32
Speaker 4: are trying to fill up our strategic reserve, our inventories,
56:36
Speaker 4: and fuel our global economy. At the same time, you'd
56:41
Speaker 4: rather have more coming out than less relative to pre
56:45
Speaker 4: war because we're so far behind. But at least this
56:49
Speaker 4: is like the global economic ivy bag is just getting
56:54
Speaker 4: a drip at least.
56:55
Speaker 5: What do you make of this Red Sea report? Given
56:58
Speaker 5: the chaos in Yemen over the last several.
57:00
Speaker 4: Days as well, that remains this giant wildcard and remains
57:07
Speaker 4: Iron's additional leverage that was not played during the war,
57:12
Speaker 4: which is, you know, the Saudis were able to move
57:15
Speaker 4: a lot by you the pipeline over to the Red Sea,
57:19
Speaker 4: and you know a lot of global shipping comes through
57:21
Speaker 4: the Red Sea. And it does show the value of
57:26
Speaker 4: diplomacy to the United States. If you remember, the US
57:30
Speaker 4: cut a deal with the Houthies that said, if you
57:33
Speaker 4: stop attacking us our American ships, we will stop attacking you.
57:37
Speaker 4: You can still attack Israel, It's not our problem.
57:39
Speaker 6: That was a very pragmatic type of deal, and.
57:42
Speaker 3: The Houthies like it and they stuck with it.
57:46
Speaker 4: They made threats that they were going to join the Iranians,
57:51
Speaker 4: and they would tell Israel, if you do x y Z,
57:53
Speaker 4: we will join as trying to draw some red lines,
57:57
Speaker 4: but they never fully entered, and it's because they had
57:59
Speaker 4: this agreement with the United States.
58:01
Speaker 5: And just an update on what happened in Yemen over
58:04
Speaker 5: the weekend. I'm reading from an Al Jazeera headline just
58:07
Speaker 5: from yesterday. Uthi rebels killed sixteen Yemeni government troops and
58:11
Speaker 5: fiercest clashes in years that took place in Western Yemen's
58:17
Speaker 5: their governorate is how it's put. But it's the They
58:21
Speaker 5: had a minister of state and a cabint member aligned
58:24
Speaker 5: with their government saying that the soldiers died in the fighting,
58:28
Speaker 5: and violence, according to Al Jazeera, is now escalating. So
58:32
Speaker 5: the politics of that, like Ryan put it, that's an
58:35
Speaker 5: insane wild card in the region right now.
58:38
Speaker 4: It could also and we'll see how this unfolds. Further
58:41
Speaker 4: explain why the Huthis kind of stayed out of the
58:44
Speaker 4: conflict because perhaps they felt so Saudi Arabia was also
58:50
Speaker 4: cutting deals with everybody, okay, and so Saudi Arabia several
58:54
Speaker 4: years ago cut a deal with the Houthis. They were like, look,
58:58
Speaker 4: we're sorry, like this was a mistake, please stop attacking
59:01
Speaker 4: our refineries. We will stop backing this fake government that's
59:04
Speaker 4: in Riod now literally in a hotel.
59:08
Speaker 3: We're out of this war.
59:09
Speaker 4: And the UA kept going, kept going because that's what
59:12
Speaker 4: they do. And so it is likely that the Saudis
59:18
Speaker 4: leaned also on the Hoothies to say, please stay out
59:21
Speaker 4: of this war, don't attack us.
59:22
Speaker 3: During that to the Red.
59:23
Speaker 4: Sea and with another agreement that who's said, Okay, when
59:28
Speaker 4: this dies down, we're sweeping west and we're taking more,
59:33
Speaker 4: we're taking more territory. And so that maybe what you're
59:36
Speaker 4: seeing happen now with the Saudis saying, okay, look fine,
59:39
Speaker 4: like we're we wish we hadn't gotten involved in this.
59:43
Speaker 4: It was a little impulsive on our part, and we're
59:47
Speaker 4: this between y'all, and and Saudis are still mad at
59:51
Speaker 4: the Emirates that any damage that the Hoothi's due to
59:54
Speaker 4: the Emirates, Saudis are gleeful for because they're fighting each
59:58
Speaker 4: other over in Sudhan too.
1:00:00
Speaker 5: That's a lot of uncertainty amidst these efforts to have
1:00:04
Speaker 5: deals in both regions.
1:00:06
Speaker 3: We have the greatest deal maker in the history of deals.
1:00:09
Speaker 5: Thank goodness, he's here, yes, and he is focused like
1:00:13
Speaker 5: a laser on communism.
1:00:14
Speaker 6: So let's talk about that Ryan