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10-2: Will AOC Face Any Legal Trouble After Her 'Cornell 7' Comments? · Wicked Radio with Bill Adams

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  Speaker 1: To be honest with you guys, some of these stories
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  Speaker 1: that come out now are so unbelievably just insane with
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  Speaker 1: all the angles coming at us.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to even describe.
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  Speaker 1: But from my perspective, talking about media presentation and how
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  Speaker 1: this thing is actually brought to us in the news,
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  Speaker 1: and this is all regarding the Cornell 7 case, what
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  Speaker 1: they're calling here.
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  Speaker 2: The entire thing is disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: But we have a mix of the most unbelievable circumstances
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  Speaker 1: that there are very few news stories that's actually surprised me.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of them.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe it's because we have all this information at
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  Speaker 1: our fingertips now. Basically, Cornell University, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: has been the site of a lot of controversy over
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  Speaker 1: the past few years, as have a lot of high
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  Speaker 1: end major public profile universities. Well, the Cornell seven case
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  Speaker 1: revolves around a young lady who we're going to call
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  Speaker 1: Jane Doe. They know her name. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: use it. There's no point to the story of naming
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  Speaker 1: her name, as a lot of people have on social media.
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  Speaker 1: Who apparently went to a frat house party in 2024,
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  Speaker 1: relevant to the story. I guess it was Chi Phi,
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  Speaker 1: the fraternity. Not a frat bro. I'm not too familiar
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  Speaker 1: with them. I was friends with them back in college,
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  Speaker 1: but not that. I don't know them. In 2024, and
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  Speaker 1: the entire thing is disgusting. A lot of gross things happened.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of partying. There were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of drugs. There were a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of group sex involved involving the girl.
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  Speaker 1: Now a civil lawsuit is alleging that she was not
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  Speaker 1: there voluntarily, even though there's a lot of evidence pointing
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  Speaker 1: to the fact that she actually was.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's where we are. Here's where it gets bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the most traditional, I'll call them feminist authorities
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  Speaker 1: that are out there, are not on her side, including
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  Speaker 1: one of the architects of the feminist movement, Camille Paglia,
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  Speaker 1: who I didn't even know was still around.
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  Speaker 2: She's speaking out against this, too.
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  Speaker 1: Not only that, to make this story even more bizarre,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a major, big-name politician who actually may be
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  Speaker 1: in some legal trouble for speaking about this case as
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  Speaker 1: if it's a criminal case. That politician out of New
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  Speaker 1: York is AOC. This story has everything, and almost every
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  Speaker 1: bit about it is surprising and ironic.
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  Speaker 2: But we've got to get to it. Regardless of that,
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  Speaker 2: happy Friday. Thanks for being here. Appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: If you've heard about this here and there, the story's
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  Speaker 1: only going to get bigger, so we'll try to get
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  Speaker 1: to some facts. My question is exactly that. Is AOC,
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  Speaker 1: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, going to face any legal trouble for speaking
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  Speaker 1: out about this case and trying to try these frat
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  Speaker 1: bros who are the subject of a civil lawsuit as criminals?
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  Speaker 1: No charges have been filed, and yet she... I am
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  Speaker 1: not of a legal mind, and this one goes way
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  Speaker 1: beyond what I've ever seen before in the news. Can
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  Speaker 1: she actually face some legal challenges over what she said?
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into it. Thanks for finding Wicked Radio. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you. The live stream, Monday through Friday, 8 a.m.-ish.
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  Speaker 1: In a story like this, sometimes it takes a little longer.
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  Speaker 1: They gather up all the details on X and YouTube
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  Speaker 1: and Facebook and then the replay on those same channels.
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  Speaker 1: Audio podcast, always posted shortly after the lawsuit. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: right to it. I kind of gave you the scarce
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  Speaker 1: details there, and there's a lot to go over. It's
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  Speaker 1: a 2024 incident. Cornell University, they've faced some controversy over
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  Speaker 1: the past few years, as have many other universities. We're
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  Speaker 1: a young lady. We're only going to say Jane Doe.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows her name right now. I don't see any
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  Speaker 1: point in actually naming her name.
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  Speaker 2: We know this.
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  Speaker 1: Went to a frat party. Chi Phi, apparently, is the fraternity.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of drugs, a lot of alcohol, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of sex. And now we've got an alleged civil
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit because as the story goes, and this seems to
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  Speaker 1: be pretty clear in a very muddied case, the civil
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit two years later was filed to save.
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  Speaker 2: Her own reputation.
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  Speaker 1: But now, now before we even get into some of
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  Speaker 1: the big names speaking out about this thing, now we've
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  Speaker 1: got texts that actually kind of, disprove what she was
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  Speaker 1: saying in the first place. Now there's in this civil
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit are a bunch of texts that have gone back
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  Speaker 1: and forth between Jane Doe and some of the frat
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  Speaker 1: bros and her and some of her friends and all
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  Speaker 1: this other stuff. Before these came out, I will mention this.
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  Speaker 1: All the legal geniuses on TikTok, of course, made it
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  Speaker 1: a big movement.
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  Speaker 2: I am Jane Doe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jane Doe. I'm Jane Doe, which that's the dark
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  Speaker 1: side of social media before people even know what the
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  Speaker 1: hell they're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: They, of course, decide to pick a side, right? Well,
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  Speaker 2: here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to go to this, the Will Cain
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  Speaker 1: show on Fox News. I'll take his clip of this
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  Speaker 1: because he actually, of all of them, did a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good description on the latest developments on this entire thing
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  Speaker 1: with these text messages that came out. He does wrap
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  Speaker 1: up the case and gives us a summary so far
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  Speaker 1: of what we're talking about with this civil lawsuit.
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  Speaker 2: Here he is.
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  Speaker 4: Evidence today in the Cornell 7 case. We're still waiting
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  Speaker 4: on all the facts. But the picture being painted now
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  Speaker 4: is that of a young woman and young men engaged
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  Speaker 4: in regrettable and immoral behavior that led to embarrassment and
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  Speaker 4: a bad reputation for Jane Doe.
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  Speaker 1: OK, let's just start right there and let's just get
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  Speaker 1: that out of the way right now. Nobody's like I said,
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  Speaker 1: everybody knows what her name is right now. I don't
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  Speaker 1: particularly personally see the point in saying her name. Let's
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  Speaker 1: just stick with Jane Doe.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Are we agreed on that?
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  Speaker 1: There's no need to get her name out there anymore
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  Speaker 1: because the names of the alleged assaulters are out there
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: So let's do that.
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  Speaker 1: And we can all agree that regardless of what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Bad decisions were made. You can call it immoral if
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  Speaker 1: you want to, but lack of judgment, lack of personal
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  Speaker 1: responsibility on all involved.
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  Speaker 2: Are we agreed on that so far? All right, he
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  Speaker 2: goes on.
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  Speaker 4: That then turned into allegations of a seven-hour, seven-person gang
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  Speaker 4: rape as a way to redeem her reputation. Yesterday, we
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  Speaker 4: showed you text messages where in the days after the
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  Speaker 4: fraternity orgy, she said to some of the men involved,
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  Speaker 4: nothing was illegal. And she looked to meet up again
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  Speaker 4: with two of the alleged perpetrators.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see, these are some of the texts that are
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  Speaker 1: involved in this. The paperwork comes out. It's like a
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  Speaker 1: nine-page thing, the civil lawsuit allegation that happens again. And
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  Speaker 1: I think the timeline is important here, as we always
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  Speaker 1: try to mention. It's a couple of years after the
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  Speaker 1: alleged incident, right? It's 2024, frat party at Chi Phi,
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  Speaker 1: whoever the hell they are, at Cornell University. Lawsuit was
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  Speaker 1: delivered and filed now. People do question the timing. We're
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  Speaker 1: not going to victim blame. That's not what anybody should
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  Speaker 1: really do. Just like we're not going to mention the
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  Speaker 1: victim's name.
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  Speaker 2: Lawsuit. A civil lawsuit. Just keep in mind, no charges
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  Speaker 2: have been filed. Nothing like this.
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  Speaker 1: They're just getting into the weeds in this entire thing.
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  Speaker 1: And yet, after all of this, go back to the
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  Speaker 1: timeline again, after those text messages are released and we're
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  Speaker 1: getting more details about this case as it becomes a
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  Speaker 1: bigger story, AOC decides to go on stage yesterday and
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  Speaker 1: say these things as if they are fact. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I've certainly over the years talked about publicly a lot
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  Speaker 1: of legal cases.
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  Speaker 2: It just kind of happens in the news. Certainly not
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  Speaker 2: a lawyer, though.
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  Speaker 1: This is my question for you, and please help me
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  Speaker 1: out in the comments if you can. Can she actually
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  Speaker 1: face any sort of a legal challenge over saying this
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  Speaker 1: as if it's fact? A politician, this is new ground.
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  Speaker 1: usually they're smart enough to stay away from allegations and
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  Speaker 1: unproven things and civil lawsuits that aren't even criminal trials.
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  Speaker 1: Usually they'll go on a stage like this right before
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  Speaker 1: a midterm elections and talk about everything other than things
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  Speaker 1: that could get them into legal trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Not her.
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  Speaker 1: Can she face legal trouble for this? Keep in mind,
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  Speaker 1: this is a civil lawsuit. No charges have been filed.
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  Speaker 3: Seven men drugged, And gang raped a 20 year old woman.
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  Speaker 3: They lured her in to a fraternity house. They drugged
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  Speaker 3: her with ketamine. They then posted to a group chat
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  Speaker 3: that she was incapacitated and seven men took turns gang
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  Speaker 3: raping her for seven hours.
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  Speaker 2: Huh?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not shocked at the LA. It's all gross.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, we all know that. It's all either clear bad
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  Speaker 1: decisions on all people involved, including her. Okay, let me
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  Speaker 1: play devil's advocate. Maybe she knows enough about what's coming
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  Speaker 1: in the case that she's not going to face anything.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe she knows that there are actually going to be
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  Speaker 1: criminal charges filed here. Maybe she has an in. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: she has an in with the district attorney and she
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  Speaker 1: knows what's coming. But I don't think so. She got
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  Speaker 1: on that stage. in a political forum and actually talked
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  Speaker 1: about this as if it is all fact and charges
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  Speaker 1: have already been filed. Is this just a case of
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  Speaker 1: her being her? Not a lot makes me speechless, but
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  Speaker 1: that's one of them. And I'll ask it again because
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  Speaker 1: I truly don't know. Is a politician immune from charges
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  Speaker 1: like that where you speak about a civil lawsuit, one
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  Speaker 1: as disgusting as this, like the one out of Cornell,
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  Speaker 1: as if it's fact? but like you're trying those seven dudes,
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  Speaker 1: those frat bros accused as if they're already guilty.
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  Speaker 2: I honestly don't know, but I'll say this.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the other unbelievable part of this story. When you've lost,
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  Speaker 1: and speaking of Jane Doe here, and I guess AOC,
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  Speaker 1: some of the most progressive feminist voices we have now
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  Speaker 1: in media, you don't really stand a chance for this
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  Speaker 1: thing actually going any further.
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  Speaker 2: This was the view. yesterday. Sunny Hostin, who gets on
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  Speaker 2: there and she's the legal expert. Let's go to Sunny Hostin.
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  Speaker 1: She got a hold of the nine seven page whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is document in the civil lawsuit uh allegations to
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  Speaker 1: go over some of this thing and she talks about
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  Speaker 1: some of this doesn't sound like she thinks there's a
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  Speaker 1: case here again she's on the view and here you
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  Speaker 1: have joy behar trying to like hurry her off it's
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  Speaker 1: so funny It looks like the facts in the case
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  Speaker 1: are coming out, so Joy doesn't want anything to do
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 2: But this was yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: It's several pages long.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but.
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  Speaker 5: It's nine pages long. And I will say that under
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  Speaker 5: current New York state law, voluntary intoxication or drug use,
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  Speaker 5: and she voluntarily drank a lot. She voluntarily took snorted
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  Speaker 5: ketamine off of one of the boys' body parts.
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  Speaker 3: Even though she was highly intoxicated when she arrived at
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  Speaker 3: the frat house.
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  Speaker 5: She was highly intoxicated, but had made plans to meet
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  Speaker 5: one of the young men.
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  Speaker 6: She all.
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  Speaker 5: She allowed other boys and consented to other boys snorting
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  Speaker 5: ketamine off of her body. And under New York law,
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  Speaker 5: voluntary intoxication or drug use that merely impairs judgment does
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  Speaker 5: not legally constitute an inability to consent to sexual activity, right?
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  Speaker 5: So that means if you voluntarily ingest drugs, you voluntarily
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  Speaker 5: take alcohol, you can agree to have threesome, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I don't need to hear any more of that.
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  Speaker 2: It's all bad decisions, right? It's all bad decisions.
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  Speaker 1: And there's an element of this where you're like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: forget about being the dad. And I'm a dad of
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  Speaker 1: two daughters, you know, sending your kid off to school
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  Speaker 1: like that. What if you're a dad of the boys
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  Speaker 1: in a frat party? It's like, don't do anything that
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  Speaker 1: stupid or gross.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: That goes without saying. That's a side note in the
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  Speaker 1: entire story. But that's Sonny Hostin on The View. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that they would be, if there was something to this,
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  Speaker 1: they would jump all over this and try these frat bros,
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  Speaker 1: judge and jury, on the air during their segments.
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  Speaker 2: You know they would try.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like she's too convinced of that, but there's
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  Speaker 1: something else here. Maybe AOC has lost another, maybe the
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  Speaker 1: original pioneer voice.
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  Speaker 2: Of feminism in this country. Are you familiar with Camille Paglia?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the, from the 60s and 70s on,
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  Speaker 1: all the way through today, hasn't been loud recently, that's
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  Speaker 1: for damn sure. I didn't think she was still around
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  Speaker 1: She's speaking out against this. This was the most shocking thing,
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  Speaker 1: even AOC saying that on a stage, that I've heard
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  Speaker 1: in the entire Cornell 7 case so far.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, she's not buying it.
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  Speaker 7: But you know that a lot of women are afraid
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  Speaker 7: of sexual assault or have been sexually assaulted. Should they
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  Speaker 7: not be able to go and drink and play beer
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  Speaker 7: pong and get drunk like the guys do?
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  Speaker 6: They live in fear. If you go to a fraternity
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  Speaker 6: house party... with chaos going on in the living room area,
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  Speaker 6: and a young man says to you, would you like
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  Speaker 6: to go up to my room? I'm sorry, you are
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  Speaker 6: consenting to sex. He is right to think you have consented.
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  Speaker 6: To go up there and change your mind.
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  Speaker 5: And so on.
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  Speaker 6: It's not right, of course, for anyone to impose themselves
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  Speaker 6: sexually on another person, naturally. But women must realize they
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  Speaker 6: are now free. The sexual revolution has been won. Why
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  Speaker 6: are we coddling young women to say, go on being children?
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  Speaker 6: Because mommy and daddy will be there to pick up
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  Speaker 6: the pieces for you afterward.
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  Speaker 7: Shouldn't men be afraid of the concept?
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: She's not saying it's A-OK and all this other stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, that's Camille Paglia, one of the pioneer
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  Speaker 1: voices of the feminist movement. Women are strong. Remember, I
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  Speaker 1: am woman. Hear me roar and all that stuff that
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  Speaker 1: I grew up with as a kid. Remember, that's And she, no,
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  Speaker 1: she's not buying this case at all either. So here
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  Speaker 1: you have AOC, a politician going on stage, ready to
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  Speaker 1: send to the electric chair, for God's sakes, already these
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  Speaker 1: frat bros from 2024 at Chi Phi. With some of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest, loudest, feminist voices in media now. Her, the
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  Speaker 1: women on The View, Sonny Hostin, all of them saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, this is more about personal responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just, I'm shaking my head. I'm just shocked. Now
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  Speaker 2: go back to the original question.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether there's like a caveat here where
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  Speaker 1: a politician, because they can say whatever they want as
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to, you know, regain power. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if a politician like AOC can get on a stage
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  Speaker 1: and actually say what she did without any proof whatsoever
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  Speaker 1: with just allegations and refer to it like it's a
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  Speaker 1: criminal trial with this Cornell 7 case when it's a
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  Speaker 1: civil lawsuit allegation.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether she will. There are some big
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  Speaker 1: legal minds out there saying, let's ask the question. Let's
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  Speaker 1: test this because usually they're smart enough not to say
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  Speaker 1: anything like that on stage.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently she's not. Can she face any sort of a
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  Speaker 2: legal challenge on this for saying that? Guys, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I've never actually seen like this. I've literally talked about
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  Speaker 1: through radio and now in podcast to stand thousands upon
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  Speaker 1: thousands of stories that come across our desk. I've never
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  Speaker 1: seen anything like this.
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  Speaker 2: Not me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know because it has everything and it's all
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  Speaker 1: so bizarre. But it comes down to this, and here's
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  Speaker 1: the takeaway, right? The personal responsibility part on all sides.
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  Speaker 1: And the one person who talked about that the loudest
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  Speaker 1: in this entire thing was Camille Paglia, the feminist pioneer.
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  Speaker 2: We're in bizarre world. But I don't know. Help me out.
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  Speaker 1: Is AOC in any legal trouble here? Can she actually
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  Speaker 1: say that? Because I'd be curious to find out. And
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  Speaker 1: if I was related in any way to one of
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  Speaker 1: these seven Chi Phi frat bros at Cornell, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: they're out of Cornell now because this was from 2024.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, I'd be on the phone with a lawyer. I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you that much. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we know so far on that thing. I
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  Speaker 1: wish there was a lighter story to talk about on
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  Speaker 1: a Friday, but yet we don't determine what the news
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  Speaker 1: brings us.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are.
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  Speaker 1: We just ask questions. Thanks for hanging out, though. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you, as always. Wicked Radio live stream, 8 a.m.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get out of that. It's the weekend. You're free.
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  Speaker 2: Be safe. Enjoy. And I'll talk to you Monday.