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Fuck They Island (feat. Honey Pluton) · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: That could also be a challenge worth that the polycule
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Speaker 1: goes to Olive Garden and there's no there's no bigod options.
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Speaker 1: You have to have the Alpha. They have to go
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Speaker 1: to Panera and get the broccoli cheddar bread bowl and
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Speaker 1: then try to have an orgy afterwards. Yeah, there are
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Speaker 1: a few things that I love more than chaos. Um, addictive, addictive.
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Speaker 1: I think we're so used to seeing straight romantic chaos
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Speaker 1: play out on the screen, and very rarely do we
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Speaker 1: get to watch queer chaos. We as queer people deserve
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Speaker 1: to be, you know, horrible like messes that can like
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Speaker 1: barely have an adult conversation with our love. Absolutely, representation matters,
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Speaker 1: and what I want to see represented is a bunch
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Speaker 1: of buck days on an island, fucking each other and
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Speaker 1: also trying to win money. Yeah, the scum of the
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Speaker 1: scum of like weird people, which is all on one island,
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Speaker 1: Which is why I loved the sexually fluid season of
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Speaker 1: Are You the One? And that's what we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: talking about today with our hilarious guests, truly Honey Pluton,
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Speaker 1: comedian social media darling. They are going to be taking
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Speaker 1: us on a deep dive into are You the One?
1:25
Speaker 1: Because this is like a Virgin the show where we
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Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose damn you,
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Speaker 1: and I'm Fran Toronto. So I know that we said
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Speaker 1: last week this episode was going to be fully about
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Speaker 1: secrets of Dumbledore um or Dumbledore sitting on a secret
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Speaker 1: during a title, But it was just so awful that
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Speaker 1: we decided Um to have Honey come talk to us
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Speaker 1: about are You the One? Instead? Yeah? You JK, such
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Speaker 1: better replacement for sure. Okay, here we are unlike a
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Speaker 1: ver reunited, reunited united, and it feels so good, Um,
2:04
Speaker 1: because you just got back from the desert. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: was not at Coachella, but I was at one of
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Speaker 1: the various parties adjacent to coach I thought it was
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Speaker 1: very funny that I called you crying that my dog
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Speaker 1: was sick and we could no longer go and I
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Speaker 1: a friend's birthday party in Catalina, And two hours later
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Speaker 1: I saw an Instagram story you driving to the desert
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Speaker 1: to go to Coachela and Coachella. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: well I was while I was waiting at the animal hospital. Okay,
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Speaker 1: my baby, I did send you several voice memos asking
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Speaker 1: if I did know you did. I'm not saying you,
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you weren't a supportive friend. I'm just
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, yes you did. I had a
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Speaker 1: friend that had already invited me, and I said, oh no,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be in Catalina that weekend. So when
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Speaker 1: you called and canceled, I was like, well, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: you know, do what I guess. Well, happy birthday, Cheno
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Speaker 1: who will never listen to that, will never listen to
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Speaker 1: this podcast. Um anyway, and Catalina Ferry Company, I want
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Speaker 1: my money back? Are they not? Are you? Are they
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Speaker 1: giving you? No, No, one's giving me my money back. No,
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Speaker 1: well I'll still All of a sudden, Venmo requests me
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Speaker 1: for that. Um. Well, since we last talked, though, there's
3:14
Speaker 1: been a there's been a Drag Race reunion. There has
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Speaker 1: been quite a few things going. Did you watch the reunion?
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Speaker 1: I did watch the reunion. I had nothing else to do.
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I was going to watch it anyway,
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Speaker 1: but like I literally spent the whole weekend with my
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Speaker 1: sick dog in my arms. Well, I mean, what did
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Speaker 1: you think? Oh my god, it was so funny. It
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Speaker 1: was really good. I was kind of it was really good.
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Speaker 1: I forgot half of who half of those girls, but
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Speaker 1: June actually had some amazing moments. Corn Bread was amazing
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Speaker 1: reactions to everything. I also did love the moment where
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Speaker 1: Rue Paul was like, so half of you are trans,
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Speaker 1: now let's talk about that. That was actually really tender
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Speaker 1: moment because you know, the dolls were all finally present
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Speaker 1: and out. Yes that I did love carry Colby, the
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Speaker 1: Sisterhod of the travel Yes, another one, another one. It was.
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Speaker 1: It was really it was honestly, I mean not to
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Speaker 1: like give Rue any credit here, but it was to me, Um,
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Speaker 1: I really like beautiful and almost like healing. To see
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Speaker 1: that entire conversation not a moment. It would not call
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Speaker 1: it healing, okay, for sure, for sure shealing, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: But I think it was shook that it wasn't just
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Speaker 1: a moment. It was a full conversation that they had
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Speaker 1: that spent a lot of time about like the five
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Speaker 1: trans contestants of this show. And I was like, we've
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Speaker 1: arrived at this moment where like when you know, way
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Speaker 1: back when Rue said the thing about you know you've
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Speaker 1: got yeah, well that too. But also like when Rue
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Speaker 1: was like, you know, if you have boobs, you can't
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Speaker 1: compete or whatever, and I'm sure, yeah, well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I I was, um, again not going to give to
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Speaker 1: Brew too much credit, but I was really taken aback
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Speaker 1: when at the end of that kind of conversation he specific,
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Speaker 1: very specifically said, you all are my teachers. Like he
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Speaker 1: said that verbet He's like, you all are my teachers.
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Speaker 1: Like I appreciate this, and I appreciate the person who
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Speaker 1: wrote that line for him. I you know that I
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Speaker 1: I I'm not, again not trying to give Rue too
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Speaker 1: much credit, but I do know that he's very smart,
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Speaker 1: and I do not think that he has necessarily know
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Speaker 1: he wants to be. He wants to be on the
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Speaker 1: right side of history. I think that is where he
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Speaker 1: has arrived. And I don't know his actual politic is
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Speaker 1: because he's never actually held himself accountable and never actually
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Speaker 1: like really apologize for what he's because I'm sure he
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Speaker 1: doesn't think he has anything to apologize. But the thing is,
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Speaker 1: and I think that this is true at least for me.
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Speaker 1: I won't speak for anybody else, but like, apologies don't
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Speaker 1: mean shipped to me, and actions mean everything. So if
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Speaker 1: he's here having this, well, having the space for their conversation,
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Speaker 1: that to me was what was really beautiful. Well, but
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Speaker 1: also I mean, like the aside from like like Cornbread's reactions,
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Speaker 1: like which was so amazing. I was shook by how
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Speaker 1: much I loved everything Maddie Morphosis said. You know what,
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Speaker 1: Maddie Morphosis, Loki is really funny, came all the way around,
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Speaker 1: And I guess like you kind of have to be
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Speaker 1: to have that identity in that context, like you have
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Speaker 1: to be able to keep up, and like I do
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Speaker 1: think that throughout the season, and especially in her fight
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Speaker 1: with um Jasmine Kennedy and Untucked, like she she like
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Speaker 1: held her own absolutely. I think also Jasmine versus Dia
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Speaker 1: was also like I did not expect Jasmine to hold
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Speaker 1: her on and she did actually say everything that she
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Speaker 1: needed to say. And I also didn't expect Dia to,
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Speaker 1: like um like own up to being a dick the
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Speaker 1: way she didn't know. And I also didn't think I
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Speaker 1: would ever empathize with her. And even though I still
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Speaker 1: think that she's kind of like a piece of ship,
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Speaker 1: like I, I did find humanity and like the fact
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Speaker 1: that she's getting a bunch of death threats here. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so who's gonna win? I'm gonna this is my prediction
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Speaker 1: of what's happening in Oinally, I think, unfortunately, Um, Willow
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Speaker 1: and Anigeria will get like knocked out pretty early in
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Speaker 1: the night, and then I think it will come down
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Speaker 1: to Lady Camden and Diabetti. I think there will be
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Speaker 1: think the and I think Lady Camden is gonna win.
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Speaker 1: That would be so so horrible, Um, I but I
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Speaker 1: know that that's the world that we live in. You know.
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Speaker 1: There there's gonna be a twist that eliminates a favorite.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to watch. Willow might honestly get
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Speaker 1: eliminated first. That would be Here's the thing, though, is
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Speaker 1: that what we need? Willow on All Stars anyways? Like
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Speaker 1: I absolutely would stand that because she's already won, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, she's already she will probably
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Speaker 1: be Miss Congeniality literally and she will maybe the most
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Speaker 1: beloved contestant of the season no matter who the winner is.
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Speaker 1: The fifth one. Uh Bosco, Oh Bosco is not gonna win.
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Speaker 1: No no, no. Um. Also, things that did not win
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Speaker 1: was you and I went to go see the quote
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Speaker 1: unquote gay Harry Potter, which is how you framed into me.
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Speaker 1: It's how it was framed literally by a wardener. No no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: no no. They released one clip and you were like,
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Speaker 1: it's the gay Harry Potter film. Well, I was obviously
8:16
Speaker 1: being hyperbolic when I say that this movie was nothing
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Speaker 1: like it was nothing nothing, We can't even make fun
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Speaker 1: of it, like nothing to even make fun of. No,
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Speaker 1: it was such a filler movie, like because the stories
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Speaker 1: there's they're supposed to be five of them, and this
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Speaker 1: is the third one, and it's very clearly supposed to
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Speaker 1: be like just like setting the stage for the next two,
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Speaker 1: which I don't think are happening for the virgins. Can
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Speaker 1: you contextualize the kind of swirl of controversy that's kind
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Speaker 1: of happening over the course of these post Hogwarts Harry
8:52
Speaker 1: Potter film. Yes, so. Um. I don't know if you've heard,
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Speaker 1: but Jakie Rowling is a turn. There actually was a
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Speaker 1: very interesting article in Variety which I talked to you about,
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Speaker 1: which is about how this film franchise is so embattled
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Speaker 1: by all of these scandals that Warner Brothers really kind
9:11
Speaker 1: of wants to kill it. Um and all of these
9:15
Speaker 1: insiders saying that they don't think it has a way
9:17
Speaker 1: forward and that like the only way to make Harry
9:19
Speaker 1: Potter work is for them to do something that's really
9:21
Speaker 1: focused on the original stories. Because okay, you've got j
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Speaker 1: k Rowling being a turf and because of that, like
9:28
Speaker 1: she can't do any press. You know, they're very strict
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Speaker 1: about what the actors like. They don't get to do
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Speaker 1: any like long form interviews. And then there's the Johnny
9:39
Speaker 1: Depp of it all, um, and then choking someone getting
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Speaker 1: in bar fights like which, first all, let's just say
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Speaker 1: non binary or bad representation again very important. When I
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Speaker 1: saw Ezra Miller's mug shot this like past week, I
9:55
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, this representation really does matter.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying in a joking way, like
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Speaker 1: I think we deserve to have this moment too, you know. Yeah,
10:04
Speaker 1: but um, you know, did you know do you know
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Speaker 1: why they were? Why they were because it was because
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Speaker 1: it was a song, Because they were at a karaoke
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Speaker 1: bar and they were really upset that someone was singing shallow.
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Speaker 1: Well I would be too, Um. So the odds are
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Speaker 1: very much stocked against this franchise. But you know, it's
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Speaker 1: a Harry Potter quote unquote movie. Um, so I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that people are seeing it, although someone I followed did
10:32
Speaker 1: tweet a photo of like the empty screening they were at,
10:35
Speaker 1: so I'm sure. I mean it's projected. I think to
10:37
Speaker 1: not do as well as any of the other ones, um,
10:40
Speaker 1: like particularly like post COVID. But I think the last
10:45
Speaker 1: one also was kind of a flop, and it's just
10:49
Speaker 1: you know, he tried to rewatch the last After we
10:51
Speaker 1: saw this, I was like, you know, maybe it's because
10:53
Speaker 1: I didn't see the last one, and it was I
10:54
Speaker 1: had not well on the way to the movies. Our
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Speaker 1: friend ash on the YouTube video that recapped in the
11:02
Speaker 1: past two movies, and none of us had any idea
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Speaker 1: of what was happening, and like and you know, like
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Speaker 1: I'm a die hard Potter girl despite everything, um and
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Speaker 1: even I like could not remember a single thing that happened.
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Speaker 1: These movies are just bad. And like the gay stuff,
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Speaker 1: the gay, the gayest stuff in the gay Harry Potter
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Speaker 1: movie was like basically irrelevant to the plot. It was
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Speaker 1: like two lines and Dumbledore talking about being in love
11:32
Speaker 1: with Grinda Wald and then they exchanged some like longing
11:35
Speaker 1: glances which you know were cut for China. That's what
11:38
Speaker 1: I was going to say, the fact that like China
11:40
Speaker 1: could cut it like within like a minute. And well,
11:43
Speaker 1: it's like how they made it that way. They made
11:46
Speaker 1: it so that they could do that exactly. Oh my god,
11:48
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that of course. Um And like
11:52
Speaker 1: I the cynical part of me thinks like if J. K.
11:55
Speaker 1: Rowling had never come out as a turf, we wouldn't
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Speaker 1: even have that, because it did feel to me like
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Speaker 1: they're they're even positioning it as like a queer love
12:07
Speaker 1: story to show that like she's not she's not phobic
12:13
Speaker 1: against everyone in and of itself transphobic. Like to put
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Speaker 1: like cis gay guys in a movie and be like
12:19
Speaker 1: this is reparative to like trans anti trans harm is
12:22
Speaker 1: like stupid. But like the other thing about that, like
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Speaker 1: the queer romance is it was not a queer romance
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Speaker 1: of any kind. There's no element of the gayness that
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Speaker 1: is wound through any other portion of the movie in
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Speaker 1: any way whatsoever, point blank period. And also the movie
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Speaker 1: is just bad, it's boring. The only good scene was
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Speaker 1: the crab scene. There's a crab scene. There's a crab
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Speaker 1: scene that as a cancer I found. Um, I really
12:48
Speaker 1: related to Oh my god, what's her name, Jessica? Jessica,
12:52
Speaker 1: Oh no, we can't, I will talk about her. I
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Speaker 1: was bummed because I am a die hard to Queen's
12:59
Speaker 1: fan and she used to was that show? She was horrible?
13:02
Speaker 1: But it was it was huge mega flop due to
13:05
Speaker 1: content on on like later episodes of Two Queens. She
13:10
Speaker 1: tells a story of how she met JK Rowling and
13:13
Speaker 1: how is this kind of like really transcended experience in
13:15
Speaker 1: very serendemicitis not on tra yea, this is not? And
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Speaker 1: then jk Rowling JK Rolling famously cast her on this spot.
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Speaker 1: Was like there, we're doing a movie and we think
13:26
Speaker 1: that she's like your sis, right yeah, but like but
13:30
Speaker 1: like this was before this proceeded that the turf controversy.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that she was able to do a transatlantic accent.
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Speaker 1: But I I mean, because all of the actors are
13:40
Speaker 1: after like a multimillion dollar non disparagement agreements, there's like
13:43
Speaker 1: nothing any of them can ever do or say. Um,
13:45
Speaker 1: Jude Law was like fine, even though he wasn't in
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Speaker 1: it a lot. I thought when he was first cast,
13:52
Speaker 1: I thought that made complete sense, but he just so
13:54
Speaker 1: fades into the movie. He didn't doesn't really do anything.
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Speaker 1: And I have a lot of issue with the continuity
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Speaker 1: of the Wizarding World and its rules that are displayed
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Speaker 1: in this movie, especially Muggles go in and out of it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: just like something like the fact that they that Dumbledore
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Speaker 1: has the meat in the Room of Acquirement. And one
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Speaker 1: of the big parts of the last Harry Potter book
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Speaker 1: is that Dumbledore never knew about the Room of Requirement.
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Speaker 1: And it's like she doesn't even care about her own canon.
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Speaker 1: She is such a bad writer and creator. And the
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Speaker 1: movie just sucked. It was bad. It wasn't even like
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Speaker 1: offensively bad. It was just nothing. Yeah, And for me,
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Speaker 1: the continuity, the lack of continuity, is really in the
14:38
Speaker 1: fact that the German Minister of Magic looked exactly like
14:42
Speaker 1: Grinda Walt and they were alarmingly similar, and I could
14:45
Speaker 1: not focus. I did like that one of his henchmen
14:48
Speaker 1: looked like if Ron Weasley did ketamine. I did catch
14:52
Speaker 1: that guy specifically because you leaned over and said, that
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Speaker 1: looks like Ronley Ron. Also, when the movie ended and J. K.
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Speaker 1: Rowling's name came up with the credits, we did boo that.
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Speaker 1: And can we also say in terms of the vibe
15:07
Speaker 1: of the crowd that we were sitting in, everyone was
15:09
Speaker 1: talking through this movie, but we were talking the loudest. No, well,
15:14
Speaker 1: yeah we do talk. We're talking now. Very annoying. But
15:19
Speaker 1: the president was set like usually rosen the only ones
15:22
Speaker 1: like maybe kind of but like was between us. We
15:30
Speaker 1: might as well be on your sofa and your apartment.
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Speaker 1: But the fact that no one in the theater had
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Speaker 1: respect for this film. Actually there was one person that
15:38
Speaker 1: tried to clap at the well. Also you didn't have
15:41
Speaker 1: respect for your theater because as we were leaving France
15:44
Speaker 1: spilled an entire bucket of popcord on the ground. I
15:48
Speaker 1: was so disinterested in the movie in general that I
15:50
Speaker 1: left to go refill popcorn and soda, which I never
15:53
Speaker 1: ever do. I like, if I had had to, I
15:56
Speaker 1: would have taken a ship during that movie. Oh, that
15:59
Speaker 1: would have been a protest, we all got. I would
16:02
Speaker 1: have taken a ship on the movie. On the reel.
16:19
Speaker 1: I have to like give everyone a little bit of backstory. Honey,
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Speaker 1: you are, I think, like one of the funniest people
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Speaker 1: I have. I'm not going to say discovered, because that
16:31
Speaker 1: sounds very gross, but when we're in Hollywood, I mean
16:38
Speaker 1: I mean that, and like as in the Instagram discovery
16:41
Speaker 1: what it's called the Explorer page, but it's about discovery,
16:43
Speaker 1: which I think also the for you page on TikTok
16:46
Speaker 1: was about discovering um. And a few months ago one
16:49
Speaker 1: of your TikTok's popped up and it was the one
16:52
Speaker 1: can can. It was the bottom one can. Eating ass
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Speaker 1: is actually first base because at the stand up comedian,
17:00
Speaker 1: I unfortunately have to encounter the heterosexual male hack, which
17:05
Speaker 1: is now guys talking about eating ass as this like
17:09
Speaker 1: you know, gigantic ravishing phenomenon, as if for like you
17:14
Speaker 1: and I and you and I'm assuming the listeners at
17:17
Speaker 1: home is not just like a fundamental like basic part
17:21
Speaker 1: a pillar of human sexual it's just part of their diet, right,
17:27
Speaker 1: literalid Right, It's it's like the bottom of the period
17:34
Speaker 1: the good part or the top the top is the
17:36
Speaker 1: bottom whole grain, not us trying to figure out what
17:43
Speaker 1: And I am a nutritionist in the bottom of the snack, right,
17:50
Speaker 1: So talking about that, and then I think I said
17:52
Speaker 1: that gay. Second base was Dionysed his hero worship and
17:58
Speaker 1: I think is asking your partner what their last name.
18:03
Speaker 1: I think the one that I think, the one that
18:04
Speaker 1: I really liked was the one where you said something
18:07
Speaker 1: like if you see this, you were meant to see it, right, Yeah,
18:11
Speaker 1: you're a bottom. And then also, um, I did one
18:14
Speaker 1: that was taken down where I said, if you see this,
18:16
Speaker 1: you're meant to see it, you're a faggot and let
18:18
Speaker 1: me community Guideline's So now they want to force it. Um, well,
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Speaker 1: I remember when you did the eating astrict because Rose
18:27
Speaker 1: sent it to me and I was like, is this
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Speaker 1: the funniest thing I've seen in likens? Like I just
18:33
Speaker 1: remember you have such a magnetic kind of like personality
18:37
Speaker 1: and it's so interesting. So we are all just for
18:39
Speaker 1: the for the virgins. We're all meeting for the very
18:41
Speaker 1: first time, and I feel like I've known you forever,
18:44
Speaker 1: but you have a very um um calming Instagram presence
18:53
Speaker 1: being somewhat I mean this as a compliment abrasive, of course,
18:57
Speaker 1: I was going to say a dirt back absolute like
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Speaker 1: you feel you feel like someone I've done ketamine with
19:03
Speaker 1: at five A and like it's very possible that we
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Speaker 1: have It's like two genders two genders ago, like two
19:15
Speaker 1: names ago, Like oh my god, wait, you're sucked. Excuse me,
19:20
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to say it. Right now, it's like
19:22
Speaker 1: I'm actually beetle juice, like that's what it is. Beet
19:26
Speaker 1: Juice is such a chosen name hundred percent. But then
19:29
Speaker 1: it's also like I know, well, I was about to
19:32
Speaker 1: say I know a siss baby, but because that's something,
19:37
Speaker 1: but I I know sis parents who name their baby
19:40
Speaker 1: beetle names like that used to be earned, bitch. It's
19:45
Speaker 1: like baby just give their parents trans names now, like
19:49
Speaker 1: it's so unfair. I know it's baby is one of
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Speaker 1: the things I don't want to be. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna start asking. That's what people tell
20:01
Speaker 1: me they're pregnant and say, oh my god, is your
20:03
Speaker 1: baby sis? But now I feel like babies like when
20:07
Speaker 1: they are trans and they choose that. Like I feel
20:10
Speaker 1: like in ten years, all the trans girls are gonna
20:12
Speaker 1: be named like Daphne, Rebecca, Rebecca, Artemis, Diana, Cassiopia. But
20:24
Speaker 1: now it's like all the Park Slope moms are naming
20:26
Speaker 1: their SIS babies artimists. Yeah, they're oh my god, trans
20:30
Speaker 1: girl names chosen names are now the names that like sis,
20:36
Speaker 1: straight parents are choosing for their baby Hayden Jack's yeah,
20:41
Speaker 1: not either. The cycle is going to complete itself, so
20:45
Speaker 1: we're gonna go fully back to just naming everyone like
20:47
Speaker 1: Matt and Mike, like just are chosen. Names are going
20:50
Speaker 1: to be like Matt, Mike and John. I think that's more.
20:54
Speaker 1: Or we're gonna be named like you know, our babies
20:55
Speaker 1: are gonna be named like Facebook. That's what's the next
21:01
Speaker 1: wave of trans people will name themselves like Stephen my
21:07
Speaker 1: new child, better help do com Jessica. Yeah, that's actually
21:13
Speaker 1: that's at a great name. Either Zach or Doc are
21:17
Speaker 1: great non binary names if they were twins. But we
21:21
Speaker 1: did lure you here for a reason, of course, UM,
21:25
Speaker 1: and it is to talk about I think one of
21:29
Speaker 1: the most exciting reality shows, UM seasons of one of
21:34
Speaker 1: the most exciting seasons largely about ever seen UM. And
21:39
Speaker 1: we're talking specifically about are you the one season? Eight? Eight?
21:43
Speaker 1: That's what I thought eight The what was known, I
21:46
Speaker 1: think culturally is the bisexual season, but what was known
21:49
Speaker 1: literally in copy as the sexually fluid s Oh, that's right,
21:54
Speaker 1: I love sexual fluidity. Well, first, should we give the
21:58
Speaker 1: an explainer of what are you? The one is because
22:00
Speaker 1: I had never watched it, anyone else could explain it
22:03
Speaker 1: because the format is actually extremely complicated. Honey, could honey,
22:08
Speaker 1: could you lay it out for us? Okay, I definitely
22:11
Speaker 1: want to like hold space for fran by saying that,
22:13
Speaker 1: like me, trying to explain the concept of this reality
22:15
Speaker 1: show is like playing a game with three dimensional chat
22:18
Speaker 1: It's like so convoluted. Okay, So they bring twelve I
22:23
Speaker 1: believe twelve singles to an island, and on that island,
22:28
Speaker 1: each of the singles has one of their perfect pairs.
22:33
Speaker 1: So once so you that has been decided by the show,
22:37
Speaker 1: by a group of producers. They tell you it's like
22:41
Speaker 1: professional matchmakers, like psychological, but it's but it's experts, but
22:45
Speaker 1: it's in reality, it's like twenty four year old Siss
22:49
Speaker 1: women with brown hair and like Louis Baton never pulled
22:52
Speaker 1: out right. And it's also like so unfair, like that
22:56
Speaker 1: should be my job, Like I love pretending like I'm
22:59
Speaker 1: a matchmaker. I think I have really good taste in
23:01
Speaker 1: people regardless and like who everybody should date. So when
23:05
Speaker 1: it's like the straight Seasons, then it's easier because it's like, Okay,
23:09
Speaker 1: I'm a girl, so it's one of these six guys
23:11
Speaker 1: is going to be my pair, but on the sexually
23:14
Speaker 1: fluid season, it could be any of them. So that
23:18
Speaker 1: leads to the mayhem, the mischief, and the math the
23:22
Speaker 1: literal math, no, the literal math and if I remember correctly,
23:25
Speaker 1: So they are given their perfect pairings and they have
23:29
Speaker 1: to go through the season choosing people and if they
23:33
Speaker 1: if they pick the right person, then they all get money, yes,
23:37
Speaker 1: but if they pick the wrong people, some of that
23:39
Speaker 1: money is taken away. So the way that it works
23:42
Speaker 1: is at the end of every episode they go to
23:44
Speaker 1: this like colosseum where they are literally and they have
23:49
Speaker 1: to walk like pair and pair and sit next to
23:52
Speaker 1: who they've decided is their perfect match. And then there's
23:56
Speaker 1: this massive reveal where if they have posen correctly, then
24:03
Speaker 1: pillars of light will appear from the floor that says
24:09
Speaker 1: that it's the right match. This has happened every time
24:13
Speaker 1: I've hooked up with someone from grinding, what happened literally
24:18
Speaker 1: shoots up from the floor. Right, It's like the Hollywood
24:20
Speaker 1: sign explode and you're like, I've done the right thing.
24:24
Speaker 1: And then if they do find their perfect matches. Oh no, no,
24:31
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, this is wrong, because there's also the
24:34
Speaker 1: boom Boom room. Oh, the boom boom room is where
24:37
Speaker 1: they fuck. Then it's like a it's another room. There's
24:41
Speaker 1: another room. How do they know? How do they decide
24:45
Speaker 1: that there's open? Then there's honeymoon island. Yeah, okay, so
24:49
Speaker 1: there's a room that they're able to send Okay, So
24:51
Speaker 1: basically this is what high complicated. But like there's another
24:57
Speaker 1: kind of room island thing that they that the group
24:59
Speaker 1: can side to send a couple to to fact check
25:02
Speaker 1: if they are in fact the perfect match, whereas with
25:05
Speaker 1: the Beams of Light, they don't know who's who they
25:10
Speaker 1: are perfect match. But if they do lock in the
25:14
Speaker 1: correct match, then they get to go on their honeymoon
25:17
Speaker 1: and they like sit the whole season only if they
25:20
Speaker 1: do the correct match in one of the challenges and
25:23
Speaker 1: not with the Pillars part. Yes, and so honestly, for
25:26
Speaker 1: the listeners at home who have already like started dissociating
25:29
Speaker 1: and doing other tasks, as we try to explain, like
25:32
Speaker 1: but like but like the thing is, it's like messy
25:35
Speaker 1: and like everyone's queer and queer. The rules are like
25:39
Speaker 1: totally unimportant, right, And it was marketed largely as the
25:43
Speaker 1: sexually fluid, the first sexually fluid reality dating. But I
25:47
Speaker 1: think queers written large found it to be a cultural phenomena,
25:51
Speaker 1: at least intercommunally. Rose and I were working out at
25:54
Speaker 1: the time, and I edited so many fucking pieces about
25:56
Speaker 1: this show, and I never did a whole podcast episode,
26:00
Speaker 1: and I feel like that, like it was just a phenomenon,
26:03
Speaker 1: like you could not avoid it, and it was this
26:05
Speaker 1: seol because it was like I remember what it was
26:09
Speaker 1: like nineteen, Like I would when I was living in
26:13
Speaker 1: Seattle at the time. I would like go to bars
26:17
Speaker 1: and have them play it on the TV live and
26:22
Speaker 1: should be seen the dragons. Like I would come with
26:24
Speaker 1: like thirty friends to a bar and be like, you
26:26
Speaker 1: have to play the show on MTV for us right now,
26:28
Speaker 1: Like I promise we'll all like ordered cheese fries and
26:31
Speaker 1: get really wasted and we will all like scream and
26:35
Speaker 1: like lose our ship. Because it makes so much sense
26:38
Speaker 1: for a dating show because you look at things like
26:41
Speaker 1: The Bachelor and it's like one person with all these
26:44
Speaker 1: matches and like, of course there's so much drama inherent
26:48
Speaker 1: and that, but like the drama has an endpoint. There's
26:51
Speaker 1: only so many permutations of messiness that could happen. But
26:56
Speaker 1: on this sexually fluid are you the one when everyone
27:00
Speaker 1: can be into each other, there are just so many
27:04
Speaker 1: possibilities for shenanigans to go down. I was going to
27:08
Speaker 1: say that I watch a lot of reality dating shows.
27:12
Speaker 1: I know, I follow you onely. It really is like
27:15
Speaker 1: my favorite form of any sort of like sociological experiment,
27:20
Speaker 1: because you're just like watching people give themselves PTSD because
27:23
Speaker 1: they don't want to be alone. Like it's so it's
27:28
Speaker 1: really just like I don't know, just like harves On,
27:31
Speaker 1: what we're all the most scared of, Like are we
27:32
Speaker 1: going to die alone? And I'm willing to put myself
27:35
Speaker 1: like in the pen opticon to be like witnessed doing it.
27:38
Speaker 1: But in other reality dating shows, it doesn't they don't
27:41
Speaker 1: prioritize fucking enough. But in this one too, where it's
27:45
Speaker 1: like that is part of the incentive that you kind
27:47
Speaker 1: of all have to funk each other. Oh my god.
27:49
Speaker 1: And it happened so quickly because so Remy is a
27:53
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, and like it was of course
27:55
Speaker 1: was a contest on the show. Remy Duran was the
27:58
Speaker 1: first person to go in the boom boom him with
28:01
Speaker 1: I want to think Kai the trans guy who like
28:03
Speaker 1: of course everyone wanted to Okay, so wait, let's let's okay. Look,
28:08
Speaker 1: let's talk quickly about the casting because because a lot
28:11
Speaker 1: of the queer people they were it's a queer season
28:14
Speaker 1: or whatever. But in terms of casting, you know that
28:16
Speaker 1: the people casting the show are like the cissist most
28:19
Speaker 1: hetero sexual people ever. So a lot of like these
28:22
Speaker 1: queer people look like they work at them all, like
28:25
Speaker 1: they look very normal. But Kai has like universal like
28:31
Speaker 1: queer hotness, Like I think he's like seemed to be
28:34
Speaker 1: attractive to a lot of different terrains and corners. And
28:37
Speaker 1: on the rise, tea boy is like you know, like
28:44
Speaker 1: and like you know, like top surgery scars, he'll down
28:49
Speaker 1: down right. You can talk about the moment where like
28:55
Speaker 1: Kai was like doing his slight tea shot and he
28:57
Speaker 1: was like yeah, like I have to do oh my god,
28:59
Speaker 1: and like, oh my god, like intromuscular or what. But
29:08
Speaker 1: it was like come on, he was doing it as
29:10
Speaker 1: like a kind of like yeah, baby, I have to
29:11
Speaker 1: do this all the time. Like, but they also had
29:14
Speaker 1: besit who's non binary. When they only hired or like
29:18
Speaker 1: cast like one non binary person, there's like two trans
29:21
Speaker 1: people and then yeah, a bunch of like Zara floor managers.
29:29
Speaker 1: But besit storyline with I think Jonathan was it was,
29:35
Speaker 1: it was, but it was also really interesting, like how
29:39
Speaker 1: it made Jonathan confront his own internalized misogyny. Period. Okay,
29:45
Speaker 1: so here's the thing that was. Like when I watched
29:48
Speaker 1: the show, which I only watched it recently, I think
29:50
Speaker 1: I watched it in December because I was so exhausted
29:52
Speaker 1: from ed any pieces about it. I was like, I'm
29:54
Speaker 1: never going to watch the show. And so when I
29:56
Speaker 1: did watch it, I remember seeing that and being like, oh, actually,
30:00
Speaker 1: like I mean, I'm disappointed that like allposite did on
30:04
Speaker 1: the show was like to do emotional labor, like I
30:08
Speaker 1: wish it's it's like twenty minutes on your break and
30:15
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, while you have your like mental camel cry,
30:21
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, this is what being an onn binary
30:24
Speaker 1: literally literally, and so when you know what they might
30:27
Speaker 1: do that at yes, I would what I'm saying, I
30:30
Speaker 1: would have loved to visit to have found love, but
30:33
Speaker 1: like in that moment, I was like whoa, Like the
30:35
Speaker 1: power of queerness is like eradicating like mascut toxic masculinity
30:40
Speaker 1: from this space. Because there were those two bros that
30:42
Speaker 1: were like in love with each other, but they like
30:44
Speaker 1: wanted to fight all the time. Yes, and they had
30:49
Speaker 1: and they had to have a moment with them. And
30:50
Speaker 1: then when Kai was like sucking everybody, there was like
30:52
Speaker 1: a literal transformative justice circle that took place in a
30:55
Speaker 1: hot u. And I do feel toxic masculinity ends tonight. Yes,
30:59
Speaker 1: I do feel like and this sounds so like gross
31:04
Speaker 1: to say, but I do feel like they all grew
31:07
Speaker 1: over the course of the season. Like I think it
31:11
Speaker 1: was like one of the one of the rare seasons
31:14
Speaker 1: of a reality dating show where the people who were
31:16
Speaker 1: on it like there they actually like enriched their lives,
31:21
Speaker 1: maybe in a way other than getting like spawn con opportunity.
31:25
Speaker 1: Totally beautiful thing. I totally agree. A lot of the time,
31:28
Speaker 1: like for reality shows, growth is so manufactured. But it
31:31
Speaker 1: really did felt like they went through that together like
31:33
Speaker 1: they because they all really wanted the money. And I
31:35
Speaker 1: do think that like for those the two bros that
31:37
Speaker 1: were in love, like there were a lot of people
31:39
Speaker 1: on the island or they even on an island or
31:42
Speaker 1: the resort or whatever. They were like, Yeah, there were
31:48
Speaker 1: a contestants that were like that you could tell that
31:51
Speaker 1: they had no queer friends, like that they had not
31:55
Speaker 1: been in queer community. So for the bros To finally
31:58
Speaker 1: interact with someone like Besit, someone like Kai or someone
32:01
Speaker 1: who is kind of like has the tools or rather
32:04
Speaker 1: is just therapized, you know what I mean, for them
32:07
Speaker 1: to kind of be like, oh, yeah, like this is
32:09
Speaker 1: like how we deal with things here. It's kind of
32:11
Speaker 1: you've never because reality TV like profits off of like
32:15
Speaker 1: everything being messy and you your inability to work through something.
32:19
Speaker 1: It was kind of amazing to watch like a bunch
32:21
Speaker 1: of queers be like, but let's have this moment to
32:24
Speaker 1: like actually that they're probably used to being the only
32:29
Speaker 1: queer employee us. But that is why the show to
32:35
Speaker 1: me was so like magical and I like aid it
32:39
Speaker 1: up so voraciously and like why all my friends were
32:42
Speaker 1: just so obsessed with it. Where it's like you get
32:45
Speaker 1: to see one all of the tropes that as a
32:48
Speaker 1: gay person we like collect throughout our lives, like psycholocal
32:53
Speaker 1: girl who like you know, wants to hit him everyone
32:56
Speaker 1: after like three shots of gold Schlager, who's literally everyone
33:03
Speaker 1: you know, like cringe, trans guy who's like sobbing in
33:07
Speaker 1: the corner because he's not getting like the tail that
33:09
Speaker 1: he wants. It's just like all of the above, like
33:13
Speaker 1: him and the who was it Jenna that he was
33:15
Speaker 1: like with then like kissing in the rain and making up.
33:23
Speaker 1: Kai unfortunately got real old, real facts absolutely, like literally heartbreaking.
33:29
Speaker 1: I also feel like maybe this is like so men
33:31
Speaker 1: and we'll have to edit out. But like Kai was
33:32
Speaker 1: the reason why I was like, I'm going to be
33:34
Speaker 1: a brunette now. I no longer want to be like
33:38
Speaker 1: trans guy with like bleach blonde hair, Like I'm done,
33:40
Speaker 1: Like I'm putting that aside. I finally I've come to
33:44
Speaker 1: terms with it. Right, So there was that, and but
33:47
Speaker 1: also like Danny, who was like the nerdy one, was
33:52
Speaker 1: like trying to figure his place out in the world
33:55
Speaker 1: and was like a like like so sweet and then
34:03
Speaker 1: it's like him and it's also so funny because him
34:06
Speaker 1: and Kai were a perfect match, and like Kai is
34:10
Speaker 1: like actual like repulsion with that as a reality was
34:14
Speaker 1: so challenging. I was like, dude is so sweet and
34:17
Speaker 1: cute because I absolutely know that couple. Absolutely. I mean
34:23
Speaker 1: that's the thing about watching the show, we know all
34:26
Speaker 1: of those people. How was the show received outside of
34:43
Speaker 1: I like, I don't even know. I don't know what
34:47
Speaker 1: I wonder And I feel like I would like to
34:50
Speaker 1: see like the Nielsen ratings because there hasn't been another
34:54
Speaker 1: season of another all queer season, because it does raise
34:59
Speaker 1: the question where it's like, obviously, would straight people want
35:04
Speaker 1: to watch it? No? Why wouldn't they? Because it's so
35:08
Speaker 1: good it was It's such a perfect reality TV. I
35:12
Speaker 1: feel like also like there the show to me, like
35:16
Speaker 1: this isolated season was like the strongest argument for just
35:19
Speaker 1: queer reality shows in general. Queer people thrive in that
35:23
Speaker 1: environment because we make drama and drama, trauma, drinking. There
35:29
Speaker 1: was so much fucking five the five Oh yeah, there was.
35:34
Speaker 1: There was five in the five songs. I mean, if you're,
35:41
Speaker 1: if you're, if you decide to watch it on Paramount
35:44
Speaker 1: Plus when you get home, y'all should let us know
35:45
Speaker 1: who was in the five songs because I want to know.
35:48
Speaker 1: But there was a five song, yeah, and we would
35:49
Speaker 1: have everyone who is in the five song honest a guest, yes,
35:53
Speaker 1: but it's funny too that you were talking about math,
35:55
Speaker 1: because the last episode of the show was I think
35:59
Speaker 1: it is carry just being like, we need to stop
36:03
Speaker 1: fucking each other and we have to figure out who
36:05
Speaker 1: are perfect matches through and Danny and Dan Danny the
36:10
Speaker 1: nerd and they literally like also, I love Carrie did
36:13
Speaker 1: not get enough play. She was like perfect hak girl.
36:17
Speaker 1: Same with Kylie, and she didn't get enough really open
36:19
Speaker 1: to Kylie, really want. I think they didn't have the
36:26
Speaker 1: like psychosis necessary to be good reality exactly. It's not
36:34
Speaker 1: like Jenna, who like wakes up in the morning and
36:37
Speaker 1: is still like in TikTok by Kesha and I'm going
36:41
Speaker 1: to end someone's fucking life tonight. I closed down every
36:46
Speaker 1: bar and like Landsing Michigan, like just so frightening. I'm
36:50
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna break my morphie blending breast in half
36:54
Speaker 1: and pull it out of your chest and do some
36:58
Speaker 1: really bad imake literally or like justin Avery r Max,
37:02
Speaker 1: who were like, We're putting on a Hawaiian shirt and
37:04
Speaker 1: Chelsea boots and we are going to start conflict every night.
37:09
Speaker 1: The gay guys they well they're not gay there by um,
37:13
Speaker 1: everyone's faggot right. It's so funny because like you think
37:18
Speaker 1: on a show like this that like the you know MLM,
37:23
Speaker 1: and I don't mean not men loving men um like
37:27
Speaker 1: that they would be the sluttiest and most promiscuous. But
37:30
Speaker 1: they were, funnily enough, the people who coupled up the quickest,
37:34
Speaker 1: I know, subverting gender norms that But it was the
37:38
Speaker 1: w l w's. Yeah, it was these like crazy dikes
37:42
Speaker 1: that just like ran through each other formula one style,
37:46
Speaker 1: like so fucking nasty, like one after the other. Because
37:52
Speaker 1: I I but this is also something that feels very
37:54
Speaker 1: true to life. I was going to say a tenant
37:57
Speaker 1: that I believe with all of me is that Dike
38:00
Speaker 1: trama is more fundamentally destructive than faggot drama. Trauma has
38:07
Speaker 1: the half life of like a ladybug, like in and out,
38:10
Speaker 1: But Dike drama is like trauma, it is time and
38:15
Speaker 1: time again, like these Dikes feud for and the question
38:19
Speaker 1: for you have you watched Tampa Bay's. Tampa Bay's is
38:25
Speaker 1: a reality show on Amazon about a group of lesbian
38:29
Speaker 1: friends in Tampa and one of them has like returned
38:34
Speaker 1: from being gone for a while. She's like in in
38:38
Speaker 1: like Tallahassee, and she comes back and everyone's like, oh
38:42
Speaker 1: she's back. Her name is Cubby Cuffy not Cuy, and
38:48
Speaker 1: you're like, I know, the wrong consonant um. No, When
38:52
Speaker 1: like a Dike comes back, it's like you're back from war.
38:55
Speaker 1: It's literally it was like the beginning of Gossip Girl.
38:58
Speaker 1: It's like someone saw Serena gritting off the train of
39:00
Speaker 1: Grand Central, but they're all lesbian. When a faggot moves
39:03
Speaker 1: back to town, it's like, hey, girl, do you want
39:06
Speaker 1: to go to the mall? Like I didn't realize he
39:09
Speaker 1: left because I know like twenty people who look just
39:12
Speaker 1: like you. Of course, no, but it really is extremely
39:15
Speaker 1: true to life. Well that was I mean, that's the
39:17
Speaker 1: funny thing about kai On. Are You the One? Was like,
39:20
Speaker 1: was very much this energy of someone we all know
39:23
Speaker 1: in far spaces, of a trans guy who like is
39:27
Speaker 1: still approaching relationships through the lens of like lesbian culture,
39:31
Speaker 1: but wanting to be approaching relationships through the lens of
39:35
Speaker 1: gay male culture and as like an annoying funk boy.
39:37
Speaker 1: A precedent to DAS. Honestly, second season Are You the one?
39:48
Speaker 1: If DAS existed, they absolutely would host it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
39:53
Speaker 1: I mean maybe they water season a funck Boy Island
39:58
Speaker 1: on HBO. Have you watched fun Boy Island? I have
40:03
Speaker 1: love beautiful, perfect, and I just love I love a
40:08
Speaker 1: reality dating show too, because I like to have what
40:14
Speaker 1: the like pantheon of attractiveness be reflected back to me
40:19
Speaker 1: and then for me to be like wait, what, like
40:23
Speaker 1: I love I love being shown like these are America's
40:28
Speaker 1: hottest bachelors and I'm like, what, like why that's so
40:33
Speaker 1: t that's so true. It's like a marvel to see
40:36
Speaker 1: what people are attracted to. Totally, the most nondescription people
40:41
Speaker 1: think the most attractive queer people are manager because on
40:47
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, you see all these women fighting over someone
40:49
Speaker 1: who like he is the most gorgeous person I've ever
40:52
Speaker 1: seen in my life, and he's like all fourheads. Okay,
40:55
Speaker 1: But I do think that the people on Are You
40:58
Speaker 1: the One are like, I think, like more believable, Like
41:01
Speaker 1: they look like they're like hot, but they also like
41:05
Speaker 1: look normal totally, and I don't know any gained normal
41:09
Speaker 1: people know me either, not not my world. When the show,
41:14
Speaker 1: like first, when it was first kind of coming out
41:16
Speaker 1: and marketed as like the sexually fluid season, I remember
41:19
Speaker 1: feeling like very allergic to that because to me, like
41:22
Speaker 1: to be sexually fluid is kind of a thing that
41:24
Speaker 1: like pr girls tell like straight celebrities to say about
41:28
Speaker 1: their gender to evade controversy that they that they're doing
41:31
Speaker 1: or honestly like Lucas Hedges or like other like they're
41:34
Speaker 1: like slevies that have done that before. What's going on
41:37
Speaker 1: with her? I don't know, We'll see, but like anyways,
41:40
Speaker 1: I felt like I was like, that feels very like
41:42
Speaker 1: they should just say queer, you know what, But they
41:44
Speaker 1: think it's a bad word exactly. They think it's a
41:46
Speaker 1: bad So it was to me sexually fluid. I'm like, calm,
41:49
Speaker 1: piss It's like when I when you when I read sexually,
41:53
Speaker 1: I like sexual fluid. It's the first Pisskake season. Are
41:59
Speaker 1: you the one? It's the first like slipping slide like
42:03
Speaker 1: squir Anyways, I was the first all Come season. I
42:15
Speaker 1: remember being like really kind of like disarmed by the
42:18
Speaker 1: p s a s that are at the end of
42:19
Speaker 1: every episode that if you would like to support the
42:22
Speaker 1: sexually fluid community, if you want to support the community,
42:28
Speaker 1: like my whole life has been has been committed to
42:31
Speaker 1: supporting the sexually fluid community, usually through sexual fluid. I
42:36
Speaker 1: am sponsored by Sniffy's for sure. Um, but I remember
42:40
Speaker 1: what is Sniffy's. It's like the darker it's Grinder, but
42:44
Speaker 1: even Grinder, but it's on a web platform. Yeah yeah,
42:47
Speaker 1: you can't. It's Grinder for desktop and like no faces ever,
42:53
Speaker 1: no faces pictures, pictures, but just concord. But I do
43:02
Speaker 1: remember when I started watching this show, I was like,
43:05
Speaker 1: like actually very surprised by the effortlessness of the fluidity
43:09
Speaker 1: within the show. Like someone was like fuck a boy,
43:12
Speaker 1: like and then a girl. I don't like that. That
43:17
Speaker 1: was really the only times people were like contesting with
43:20
Speaker 1: their sexuality was when it was like justin and or
43:24
Speaker 1: like or what it was like bit and Jonathan and
43:27
Speaker 1: then Jonathan had to be like, oh, I'm having my
43:30
Speaker 1: own moment. But it was people were like slip and
43:32
Speaker 1: slide and who care? And then I remember it thought
43:36
Speaker 1: about parts. It's about hearts, and I remember like the
43:38
Speaker 1: kind of like we ho brows that are on the show.
43:40
Speaker 1: Like I remember being like, there's no way you're going
43:41
Speaker 1: to sleep with a girl and like and then they do,
43:43
Speaker 1: and it's so crazy because this is on paper, Like
43:47
Speaker 1: I heterosexual relationship, but like, you know, the snake has
43:50
Speaker 1: eaten its own tail and it's queer again. And I'm like,
43:52
Speaker 1: how is this? How does this feel like more radically
43:55
Speaker 1: queer than if they were like making out with the
43:57
Speaker 1: guy And I'm like, if Max could fuck a guy
43:59
Speaker 1: and girl, I'm like, what's my excuse? You know what
44:01
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like everyone watching at home, it's like,
44:05
Speaker 1: let's like, let's get some fluidity going. It's like, let's
44:08
Speaker 1: if they can do it, we can all do it.
44:10
Speaker 1: I just think it's part of like the pan sexual, bisexual,
44:14
Speaker 1: queering indoctrination of the world that I wish to see.
44:19
Speaker 1: We're all just a series of holes, and just of
44:24
Speaker 1: the show that we haven't discussed yet is the relationship
44:27
Speaker 1: expert element of that. Remember her name? I'm sure it
44:31
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, like Greta or Hannah. Yeah.
44:34
Speaker 1: She it's it's it's like it's like Mrs Doctor who
44:39
Speaker 1: has like a very like pink misunderstood haircut. Yes, and
44:45
Speaker 1: then like one gigantic tattoo's giving a brown She grew
44:52
Speaker 1: up like I don't know, like on like long beach round.
44:59
Speaker 1: She you knew how to surf and well apparently they
45:06
Speaker 1: like they interviewed like all of their like exit apparently
45:09
Speaker 1: they like interviewed all of their like exes and like
45:12
Speaker 1: moms and basically like, can you imagine like what it
45:19
Speaker 1: would happen to you on this I'm just gonna say
45:21
Speaker 1: it island, um because it's a it's an island in
45:26
Speaker 1: my brain. Can you imagine what would happened if you
45:28
Speaker 1: were a contestant on this show and someone has interviewed
45:32
Speaker 1: everyone you've like hooked up with or like been in
45:34
Speaker 1: a room? How would they find though about me personally?
45:40
Speaker 1: All my exes are very scared of me. Yeah, they would.
45:44
Speaker 1: They would like they would like go through all my
45:45
Speaker 1: old Craigslist emails and people would be like who oh him,
45:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, it makes sense. It would be a
45:59
Speaker 1: lot of people be like, good, good for her, she
46:02
Speaker 1: l a, she's happy. Good name? Love that my name?
46:13
Speaker 1: Please don't ask them, do not ask my name. There
46:17
Speaker 1: was a challenge they had to do with the Relationship
46:19
Speaker 1: Expert that I do think is brilliant, where they had
46:22
Speaker 1: to put together a piece of ikea furniture coup like
46:27
Speaker 1: that's actually like whatever. In turn wrote that that's like
46:30
Speaker 1: so brilliant culture, lesbian culture. I would say, I'm I
46:35
Speaker 1: don't know if identifies a lesbian identify as a Dike
46:37
Speaker 1: for sure, and then in like a Dike relationship, and
46:41
Speaker 1: I don't put it together. That's none of my business.
46:44
Speaker 1: I do think that I do think Galaxy Brain would
46:47
Speaker 1: have been making them go to Ikea, but they probably
46:51
Speaker 1: I don't think. No, they're like on the island off
46:54
Speaker 1: the coast of Cuba, will if you try to leave
46:56
Speaker 1: your electrocuted, so there's no I keas there. I remember
47:01
Speaker 1: that challenge was really surprising because the large majority of
47:03
Speaker 1: the things that they have to do, like in terms
47:05
Speaker 1: of like activities, programming, challenges, are actually very they felt
47:09
Speaker 1: very not of the queer imagination. Yeah, I mean I
47:12
Speaker 1: think they had except for the Glitter Party. Yeah. That
47:14
Speaker 1: they're the queer problem, the dot sponsored queer problem. And
47:18
Speaker 1: they're all like mervays. That is the that is the
47:24
Speaker 1: first thought for like queers being um, you know, like
47:28
Speaker 1: free and like yes, it's always mermaids, right, and I know,
47:34
Speaker 1: but that but also it's like I guess one thought
47:36
Speaker 1: I'm having about why mervays come first. It's like, but
47:39
Speaker 1: where's the whole But if queer people could figure out
47:42
Speaker 1: how to fund as mermaids, it would be queer people
47:46
Speaker 1: how to figure it out. Yeah, yeah, the technology is there,
47:49
Speaker 1: we have the technology, will just make a little shim
47:52
Speaker 1: like cut a hole out. I'm like usually very cynical
47:55
Speaker 1: when it comes to things like a queer problem or whatever.
47:58
Speaker 1: Like I think, I don't know, it wasn't even working
48:00
Speaker 1: idea so long. I've just kind of seen the same
48:01
Speaker 1: idea over and over again. But my heart melted so
48:05
Speaker 1: hard during only like watching these boys put glitter on
48:11
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my god, so middle school, we're
48:15
Speaker 1: watching a one a grind train, like five people all
48:20
Speaker 1: like a fac right, it's like all like breaking it
48:25
Speaker 1: down in slow motion. Yes, where it's like you're throwing
48:33
Speaker 1: glitter in the air and playing. Someone has to clean
48:36
Speaker 1: that up, right or I guess it just becomes like
48:38
Speaker 1: the microplastics that we like eat now it just goes
48:42
Speaker 1: back up and becomes toxic. Ran But yeah, it was
48:45
Speaker 1: extremely wholesome, and I usually detest anything that's wholesome. But
48:50
Speaker 1: I just think that they have all been like somatically
48:52
Speaker 1: processing their traumas so immensely, like they deserved that. Well,
48:57
Speaker 1: that's The thing is the season started out like so horny,
49:01
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, yeah, they all want to fuck
49:03
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, the first sexually fluid season of the
49:06
Speaker 1: Are You the One? And then it turns by the
49:09
Speaker 1: end surprisingly sweet and in the last episode they all
49:12
Speaker 1: want to work together to get the money and with
49:15
Speaker 1: straight people that would never happen. I've never watched another
49:18
Speaker 1: season of the show, but I already know it wouldn't happen.
49:20
Speaker 1: Like and with at least half the cast in the
49:22
Speaker 1: first episode. You watched the first episode, You're like, I'm
49:24
Speaker 1: not rooting for you. I'm not rooting for you. Don't
49:25
Speaker 1: remember you, like there are a lot of people. You're like,
49:28
Speaker 1: there's I'm not invested at all, and you become invested
49:32
Speaker 1: in pretty much every single character. Is kind of arc
49:35
Speaker 1: because it does really feel hurt and it is beautiful
49:39
Speaker 1: that they were never until like do date the clock
49:44
Speaker 1: is striking thinking about making money. They were like, I'm
49:48
Speaker 1: really just here to like fucking suck, and then they
49:51
Speaker 1: were like, wait, all right, there's a million dollars. I
49:55
Speaker 1: guess we can like make a flow chart really quick.
50:11
Speaker 1: I don't know if you all know this, Like Industry
50:13
Speaker 1: Insider scoop. What do they eat on the island? They
50:18
Speaker 1: soil and I think they had to cook for themselves,
50:22
Speaker 1: so they weren't eating they like they're they're fridges stocked
50:27
Speaker 1: and then they have to figure meals out themselves. Oh
50:29
Speaker 1: my god. So they were just I don't know, eating
50:31
Speaker 1: like Keena the whole time, Like what do you remember
50:34
Speaker 1: watching them eat a lot of Ben and Jerry's? I
50:36
Speaker 1: would Ben and Jerry, but if you like, I hope
50:40
Speaker 1: it's like, what can I say? I know, how would
50:43
Speaker 1: they I guess they could just bring um? Yeah? Did
50:48
Speaker 1: or did they provide that? Like that's what I was wondering.
50:51
Speaker 1: What was in the house? Like was their shell full
50:53
Speaker 1: of condoms, douches, lube poppers like um, like a shoot
50:59
Speaker 1: of a laundry machine, sewing sentinel strips, yes, sentinel right,
51:12
Speaker 1: a little like you know, place for your for kai
51:15
Speaker 1: syringes to go? Yeah, where is he depositing? Yeah? I'm
51:21
Speaker 1: shocked that no one else came out as trans over
51:24
Speaker 1: the course of the season. Well it's so true because
51:27
Speaker 1: I'm not watching drag Race right now. But isn't that
51:29
Speaker 1: everyone everyone girl, girl girl half of the cast is
51:35
Speaker 1: trans and you know, RuPaul is in his trailer like
51:39
Speaker 1: throwing things at the literally he is like melting and shrinking,
51:43
Speaker 1: and he's like becoming a little raisin. Yeah, it's the
51:47
Speaker 1: best way to stick it to him. But that's the thing, is,
51:49
Speaker 1: like it sucks that actually that Drag Race is the
51:52
Speaker 1: only queer reality show, like the only one that has
51:55
Speaker 1: made it to the mainstream or even anything even close
51:59
Speaker 1: to the mainstream. Well, I had a little there's also
52:01
Speaker 1: Queer Eye. Well but is that a reality show. It's
52:05
Speaker 1: more like a makeover. Yeah, you know, well I having
52:08
Speaker 1: a reality competition is what I meant to say, reality competition.
52:11
Speaker 1: I had like a tweet slash Instagram post that went
52:14
Speaker 1: viral where I said I love reality shows because I
52:17
Speaker 1: like watching straight people be psychologically terrorized. And so some
52:21
Speaker 1: people saw that it did some numbers, and then some
52:23
Speaker 1: people were commenting like, oh, well, well do you count
52:26
Speaker 1: drag Race, And I was like, yes, yes, absolutely, yes,
52:30
Speaker 1: of course I like when gay people are psychologically terrorized more.
52:34
Speaker 1: Obviously it's community harm. That's what we're here for. And
52:39
Speaker 1: this season did, of course have the first six heterosexual
52:44
Speaker 1: contestant of h Yeah, so at least one straight person
52:49
Speaker 1: was being terrorized and he was being terrorism. If you
52:52
Speaker 1: got to conceptualize the reality show where you got to
52:55
Speaker 1: terrorize straight people or queer people, what would it look like.
52:58
Speaker 1: It would definitely be a data show. And I've always
53:02
Speaker 1: thought about this. I also really want to be on
53:05
Speaker 1: reality TV one day. That's definitely a goal of mine.
53:10
Speaker 1: I don't really know where I would be able to
53:12
Speaker 1: fit into that, but I believe that with enough like
53:15
Speaker 1: diversity and inclusion training, they could have like they could
53:21
Speaker 1: fit like a rancid like non binary with like chip teeth,
53:25
Speaker 1: who like whose fingers are always sticky, like somewhere to play.
53:31
Speaker 1: But I think, I really think it would be all
53:37
Speaker 1: of the dating shows combined. And I think that the
53:42
Speaker 1: twist would be maybe that they like. Well, I think
53:48
Speaker 1: what I would want and what I don't like. Here's
53:52
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. There would have to be
53:54
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking. It would have to be like
53:56
Speaker 1: a fucking centric show. Would have to be part of
53:59
Speaker 1: the concert exactly. Literally the one comes the one where
54:06
Speaker 1: I don't I think that there would be psychological Oh no,
54:10
Speaker 1: here's what it would be. You would be psychological warfare.
54:12
Speaker 1: Because it would be the first one that's somehow threaded
54:17
Speaker 1: in polyamory, feel like or are you the two are
54:24
Speaker 1: many people? That's the thing about are you the one?
54:26
Speaker 1: Is like it's still a very polyamorous it's it's well
54:29
Speaker 1: it is, but like it's still a very heteronormative end
54:33
Speaker 1: goal because they all have to have one person. So
54:36
Speaker 1: on your show, we're turning that on its head, right,
54:39
Speaker 1: So my show would be like lots of fucking would
54:42
Speaker 1: be like polyamorous where there could be more than one
54:44
Speaker 1: person you could end up because then that then that
54:48
Speaker 1: makes it even messier and more complicated. Like maybe people
54:51
Speaker 1: would go on with their polycules like wife swap, but
54:56
Speaker 1: like polycule swap, or it could be like more get
55:00
Speaker 1: me in the barroom, or maybe it's someone's like punk squad,
55:06
Speaker 1: Yes exactly. I think that would be great where it's like,
55:10
Speaker 1: how can we make all of them do their dishes
55:14
Speaker 1: somehow somehow chore wheel because like Resort Island is like
55:23
Speaker 1: to it's not it's not queer enough, Like it would
55:27
Speaker 1: have to take place at a squad, Yes, it would
55:33
Speaker 1: have to take place like in the mountains of North Carolina,
55:37
Speaker 1: where it's like where are all of the queers like
55:40
Speaker 1: living in their land projects and how can we follow
55:44
Speaker 1: them through there? But I think I would also really
55:47
Speaker 1: want to have one in the vein of the real
55:52
Speaker 1: alt word, where it like happens like in Los Angeles.
55:56
Speaker 1: I love like that, so where it's like the old
55:59
Speaker 1: style where you're in the city, because I love like
56:03
Speaker 1: Dike drama that happens like at a bar where oh,
56:06
Speaker 1: who's just walked in? You know where I could see
56:11
Speaker 1: this happening is in New Orleans because New Orleans has
56:15
Speaker 1: a very like a very femilining queer community and it's
56:20
Speaker 1: like very punk. Everyone suck each other and they fight
56:25
Speaker 1: and they fight, they fight fighting. Okay, so we're so
56:31
Speaker 1: the real world, but the polyamorous Okay, so it's like Paul,
56:37
Speaker 1: It's like polyamorous fat life somehow, right. Sex workers are
56:45
Speaker 1: their challenges are still games because I like the challenges
56:50
Speaker 1: because it forces people to work together. So I think
56:54
Speaker 1: some of the challenges would be like I need you
56:58
Speaker 1: all to like make up for Tata after like doing
57:02
Speaker 1: a line of Kendemy. And we also need some kind
57:06
Speaker 1: of twist, because that's what all reality dating shows need now,
57:10
Speaker 1: is some kind of gimmick or twists. So the twists
57:14
Speaker 1: would be what if we forced some of the people
57:17
Speaker 1: to transition. I as, yeah, we would have to transition
57:23
Speaker 1: would have to be like a good like forced feminizations,
57:27
Speaker 1: like you take them like you take the most like Muscily,
57:31
Speaker 1: like we ho gay guy of the pack and are
57:35
Speaker 1: like your name is Iris, now up. Yeah, and it's
57:41
Speaker 1: like giving you like a skim's body and like just
57:45
Speaker 1: like twenty four hours where you can't go to the
57:47
Speaker 1: jam and we're just gonna see what happens. Yeah, maybe
57:51
Speaker 1: it's like if we're doing it like punk style, it's
57:53
Speaker 1: like we're forcing them to like live away from their animals.
57:57
Speaker 1: I think that extremely challenging. My god, I have like
58:01
Speaker 1: your dog with you while you were like traversing these
58:05
Speaker 1: lines of like your psycho sexual And it could be
58:08
Speaker 1: part of the twist is that they told them that
58:10
Speaker 1: they could bring their dogs and you can't anymore. But
58:15
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would want mine to have
58:17
Speaker 1: a twist. I think that I would really want it
58:19
Speaker 1: to be like you're coming and looking for love, but
58:23
Speaker 1: you can bring your existing partner with you, but you're
58:27
Speaker 1: like polyamorous, so so it's like you're going with your
58:31
Speaker 1: partners looking to expand your polycuele and then the challenges
58:40
Speaker 1: would be, like you all have to like go to
58:43
Speaker 1: Costco together, but none of you have a membership, so
58:46
Speaker 1: you have to like figure out who's going to sign
58:48
Speaker 1: up for it, or like one of you tries to
58:52
Speaker 1: like get a like get a credit card. You have
58:55
Speaker 1: bad credit, like you would have extremely like banal all
59:00
Speaker 1: things you have getting you have to wait in the
59:02
Speaker 1: pharmacy line at callum lord. Literally you have to fill
59:06
Speaker 1: out literally one like form, literally one form, just literally
59:12
Speaker 1: anything that requires a signature. Try to get a rental
59:15
Speaker 1: car from enterprise, you have to go. You have to
59:17
Speaker 1: go to a party where you're not on the list. Heartbreaking, heartbreaking. Yeah,
59:23
Speaker 1: So I think some other fun challenging a plant alive
59:26
Speaker 1: Maybe that would be hard, pimple popping fun things said
59:32
Speaker 1: I love to do with my partner. You have to
59:34
Speaker 1: you have to drink dairy milk. Well, the most controversial
59:39
Speaker 1: thing about me is that when I very rarely get
59:42
Speaker 1: any cream in my coffee. But if I do, it's
59:44
Speaker 1: actual cream. If I do, you're not queer. I'm literally heterosexual.
59:49
Speaker 1: I'm just transitioning to straight. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I get
59:53
Speaker 1: like a quartado with whole milk, and everyone's like, wow,
59:59
Speaker 1: I like drink milk anymore. And I used to love
1:00:03
Speaker 1: like I would love a glass of whole milk when
1:00:06
Speaker 1: I used to be a nanny in college, Like one
1:00:08
Speaker 1: of my favorite things was that they bought really bougee milk.
1:00:12
Speaker 1: And when I ate dinner with the kids, we would
1:00:14
Speaker 1: all have a glass of milk and it helps. So decadent,
1:00:18
Speaker 1: that's white culture. I'm sorry. Eating eating having a glass
1:00:21
Speaker 1: of milk with like a whole plate of pasta is
1:00:24
Speaker 1: like disgusting to me, like to meat milk, and in theory,
1:00:28
Speaker 1: in theory, it does sound good to me now, but
1:00:30
Speaker 1: like I know that I couldn't do it and that
1:00:33
Speaker 1: my body would feel so disgusting afterwards. Well, I have
1:00:37
Speaker 1: a joke where I'm like, set a cheeny carbonara literally
1:00:42
Speaker 1: has the ability to put my friends in the hospital.
1:00:45
Speaker 1: Chicken Alfredo is like a public health risk, like the
1:00:50
Speaker 1: novel coronavirus food. It's like that is like more damaging.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: If there are any Los Angeles based virgins out there,
1:01:03
Speaker 1: I am throwing a party called Gorgeous Gorgeous sit down
1:01:06
Speaker 1: in downtown l A. It is you know, a cute
1:01:09
Speaker 1: little pop music party for some queer and trans ends.
1:01:11
Speaker 1: I will be forcing Rose to go um even though
1:01:15
Speaker 1: I'll be there, I already bought a ticket. Did you really?
1:01:17
Speaker 1: Oh wow? I love that you bought a ticket. I mean,
1:01:20
Speaker 1: I'll be there on the early shift. I will be there,
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Speaker 1: like you know, when the bar opens for twenty minutes.
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Speaker 1: So if any visions want to come and talk to
1:01:29
Speaker 1: us for the first twenty minutes of the party, we
1:01:32
Speaker 1: will be there to schmooz um. I won't promise that
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Speaker 1: I will talk to you. Can find the ticket link
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