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David Kennedy: The Chariot · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: H just a rabb run up and the.
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  Speaker 2: Laps roun dam.
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  Speaker 1: Way way.
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  Speaker 3: Last way. Now I s.
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  Speaker 2: Today we have none other than David Kennedy from The Chariots. Uh, David,
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  Speaker 2: I was just telling you this a second ago, but
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  Speaker 2: the Chariot is my favorite band of all time. It's
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  Speaker 2: a running gig on this podcast where pretty much at
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  Speaker 2: least every other episode I bring up the Chariot for
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  Speaker 2: some stupid reason, just because I am truly arguably a
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  Speaker 2: top fan, like I'm sure there are. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: literally had fans that were the out like they were songs,
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  Speaker 2: title names. I don't know if I'm quite to that level,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm like, if I'm not, then I'm like a
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  Speaker 2: tier below that of in terms of fandom of the Chariot,
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  Speaker 2: but certainly the favorite, My my favorite band of all time,
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  Speaker 2: Colin probably top three favorite bands for.
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  Speaker 3: You individually, right, yeah, easily.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, huge fans of the Chariot, David. So it
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  Speaker 2: really truly is an honor that you'd be even like
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  Speaker 2: willing to chat with us about your experience in the
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  Speaker 2: Chariot and all of that. But before obviously we'll want
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  Speaker 2: to talk all about the Chariot but before we get
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  Speaker 2: into that, how you how you doing today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing excellent. It's dark out. I had to turn
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  Speaker 1: all the lights on, so it's not oh yeah, not
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  Speaker 1: great lighting for a podcast, but we'll make do.
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  Speaker 3: I have just traveling recently, right, that's correct.
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  Speaker 1: I just came back from the Philippines. Actually nice. I've
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  Speaker 1: got family in the Philippines, so that's why I was there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I have to start off by saying that usually Mason
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  Speaker 4: is the one with the best head of hair on
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  Speaker 4: this podcast. Oh today it is one percent you.
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  Speaker 1: I should have done You should have done this podcast
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  Speaker 1: a few years ago, because I had hair about as
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  Speaker 1: long as Mason.
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  Speaker 3: Really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go back and find actually, wink wink, there's
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  Speaker 1: my wink wink. I had hair as long as you really.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever put it like? Were you like kind
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  Speaker 3: of a bun person?
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  Speaker 2: I typically have it in a bun, But I washed
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  Speaker 2: my hair today and if I put it in a
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  Speaker 2: bun right away, it just doesn't dry fast enough. So
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  Speaker 2: I just have it down all day when I when I.
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  Speaker 1: Wash it, I usually wore a hat just like you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: See, we're the same person. At the end of the
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  Speaker 3: day day there we go. It's true, Colin, I feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like when whenever we talk about or when whenever we
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  Speaker 2: talk to somebody from this like kind of ladder part
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  Speaker 2: of the iteration of the chariot, we got at least
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  Speaker 2: got to bring up the first time we ever saw.
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  Speaker 3: The chariot, right, sure, yeah, I think you should say so, David, you.
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  Speaker 2: Might may or may not remember this, Okay, So Colin
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  Speaker 2: and I are from the middle of nowhere in South Dakota,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a tour probably like maybe twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was technically the Scream of Prayer Tour,
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  Speaker 2: Scream of the Prayer Tour, and there was a time
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  Speaker 2: where you guys were like maybe playing like a show
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  Speaker 2: or two in Canada, and then I think maybe you
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  Speaker 2: had like a day off and then you were gonna
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  Speaker 2: play in like Minneapolis or something. And so you're going
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  Speaker 2: like coming back through from Canada, like going towards Minneapolis
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, and you had an off day and you
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  Speaker 2: guys decided to play a show in North Dakota, which
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  Speaker 2: is about two hours from where Colin and I grew up.
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  Speaker 2: And so knowing that we're from the middle of nowhere
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  Speaker 2: in South Dakota and you guys never play in that
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  Speaker 2: area ever.
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  Speaker 3: We were like we have to.
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  Speaker 2: We like, we have to take work off, we have
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  Speaker 2: to figure this out, like we will, we will drop everything.
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  Speaker 3: To at least see you guys play once.
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  Speaker 2: And so Colin and I went up to North Dakota,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, like when it was announced, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna play at this like radio station or whatever
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be. It was gonna be like packed, it
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  Speaker 2: was gonna be like, yeah, capped at like fifty people
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  Speaker 2: or something. And so Colin and I, like, not knowing
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  Speaker 2: the level of interest in this show, we were like
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  Speaker 2: we got to get there as soon as possible because
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  Speaker 2: you never know, like you don't want to get capped
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  Speaker 2: out or whatever. So we get there and like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the show's gonna start out like I don't know, like
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  Speaker 2: eight nine o'clock at night. Culin and I get there
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  Speaker 2: at probably like one o'clock, just got from Jimmy John's
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  Speaker 2: and we just sat at the foot of the stairs
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  Speaker 2: at this radio station just waiting. And the radio station
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  Speaker 2: people come out and they're like, what the hell are
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  Speaker 2: you guys doing here, And we're like we're just waiting
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  Speaker 2: for the show, and they just start laughing because they
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  Speaker 2: were like they knew that nobody's gonna show up until
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  Speaker 2: right before the show. And so we're like, well, we're
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  Speaker 2: we traveled all the way from South Dakota, like we
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  Speaker 2: had no idea like what the level of interest would be.
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  Speaker 2: So they're they're like fascinated by this. So they bring
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  Speaker 2: us in they want to interview us, and and then
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  Speaker 2: maybe like thirty minutes later, you guys come in, uh
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  Speaker 2: so you know, Josh and Wolf and and all of
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  Speaker 2: you you come in and uh eventually like you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we got to get our gear up here, so we
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  Speaker 2: like help you bring up the gear up up these flights.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember, like I think like the day before
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  Speaker 2: or two days before, you guys got like your van
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  Speaker 2: broken in so the like the van window was broken,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think it was Josh or somebody asked like,
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  Speaker 2: can you actually like park your car like literally like
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  Speaker 2: inches away from our car, so like nobody like just
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  Speaker 2: dives and dives into the broken window, And I was like, okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: So I parked my car like literally right next to
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  Speaker 2: see you guys's van. And so anyway, like that all happened,
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  Speaker 2: and then we help load you guys in, and then
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  Speaker 2: there was like a few hours before the before you
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  Speaker 2: guys had to get back to the venue. So you
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  Speaker 2: guys like just went down town Fargo to just check
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  Speaker 2: out whatever shops were open or whatever. And I still
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  Speaker 2: remember Colin and I we went around kind of trying
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  Speaker 2: to like sort of like not trying to fan girl,
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  Speaker 2: but also it's like you guys like invited us to
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  Speaker 2: hang out with you all, and so we're like trying
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  Speaker 2: to not fangirl but also like not just abandon you
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  Speaker 2: all either. So anyway, we're kind of in that like
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  Speaker 2: weird little in between state and anyway, we like went
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  Speaker 2: to a few shops and then Colin and I eventually
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  Speaker 2: were like, I don't like know if they like hanging
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  Speaker 2: out with us or whatever, so we like went off
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  Speaker 2: kind of did our thing for a second, and then
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  Speaker 2: we run back into you guys, and I still remember
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was Stevis or you or
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  Speaker 2: whoever it was, but one of you was like, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: why'd you guys like leave? And we were like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like we didn't want to be like too overbearing or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and you guys were like no, like just hang out
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  Speaker 2: with us, like just you know, be cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, we're just dudes too. No, I just
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  Speaker 1: totally remember that show that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I The band that opened was Tiny Moving Parts,
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  Speaker 2: which you know they've kind of, you know, become a
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  Speaker 2: whole thing, and it was one of probably one of
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  Speaker 2: their first like live gigs at least as like you know,
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  Speaker 2: with with recording music at that point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, yeah, that was that was the first time
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  Speaker 3: we saw you guys.
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  Speaker 2: We did see you all on your farewell tour like
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  Speaker 2: a year or so later after that, and uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but that that was the first time we ever saw you.
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  Speaker 2: So we have technically hung out before. But I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: you don't quite remember any of that.
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  Speaker 1: No. I I remember it pretty vividly too. I was
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  Speaker 1: pissed because I just got all my stuff you were
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  Speaker 1: with us. No, I probably had a bad attitude, and
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  Speaker 1: I apologize, but I just got on all my stuff stolen.
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  Speaker 1: Sleeping Giant was for sure on that definitely not. They
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  Speaker 1: were there to support me and help find the stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I remember. Uh, they were walking around the venue in Canada.
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  Speaker 1: You were exactly right. It happened in Canada, and they
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  Speaker 1: broke our van window and grabbed Brandon's backpack and my
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  Speaker 1: backpack which had our computers in it. Lives right, and
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was from Sleeping Giant, but
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  Speaker 1: they were right behind me realizing what happened at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, and they grabbed a crowbar that was like
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  Speaker 1: lying on the ground, and they went into beast mode,
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  Speaker 1: just pacing around the parking lot trying to find the
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  Speaker 1: dude who did it. But then they ended up telling
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  Speaker 1: like everyone on the tour for the rest of the tour, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you could donate to, you know, fund the chariots,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everything they lost in the break in. And
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  Speaker 1: I got a few hundred bucks out of that. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you guys, anyone who donated to that. I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: I got a new computer out of it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was bummed. I was bombed after that show.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I can imagine, So could you imagine if he
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  Speaker 4: did find somebody in the park.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad. We were talking about that. Stevens and I
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  Speaker 1: were talking about that, and we were like, we we
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  Speaker 1: don't want these Sleeping Giant dudes to find the guy
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  Speaker 1: who did it, because we don't want to somebody would be.
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  Speaker 2: Screaming a prayer exactly, wouldn't but somebody, somebody would be screaming.
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  Speaker 4: I just I would love to see the headlines the
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  Speaker 4: next day. It would be like Christian Christian metal band
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  Speaker 4: guitarist murders man in parking lot.
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  Speaker 3: And then we would be shocked that it actually wasn't,
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  Speaker 3: as I lay dying.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a second, I see what you did there. Oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: let's not go down that road.
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  Speaker 2: That was pretty We don't want to incriminate you, but anyway,
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  Speaker 2: that was a great show. I mean, it was really
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  Speaker 2: cool for the you know, just the fact that it's
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  Speaker 2: like the small little venue. Yeah, and there was maybe yeah,
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  Speaker 2: fifty people there, and uh I think there's maybe some
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  Speaker 2: YouTube videos of it, but it just it was like
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  Speaker 2: really cool for and I like, I know, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: especially now like doing this podcast for a while, meeting
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  Speaker 2: lots of people that I've listened to their music for
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  Speaker 2: almost my entire life, and now meeting even some folks
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  Speaker 2: from the Chariot, Like, I know, you guys don't think
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  Speaker 2: of yourselves in this way, but like when I'm was
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  Speaker 2: sixteen years old and meeting you all for the first time,
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  Speaker 2: like you truly were the like heroes of my life,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the same way that people like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Swifties think of Taylor Swift. You guys were my Swifty
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  Speaker 2: like you or you guys were my my Taylor Swift,
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  Speaker 2: like I was your swiftye. And so it was like
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  Speaker 2: the coolest thing at sixteen years old for me to
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  Speaker 2: like simply be able to like hang out with you
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  Speaker 2: in downtown Fargo. Like I just I still think about
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  Speaker 2: that memory all the time because I'm like, and again,
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  Speaker 2: I know you guys like don't think of yourselves in
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  Speaker 2: that way at all, like you, I'm sure you don't
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  Speaker 2: think of yourself as like the Taylor Swift to a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of people.
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  Speaker 3: But it truly was that for me, and I thought
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  Speaker 3: that was really awesome.
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  Speaker 4: One more thing I have to add to that whole scenario,
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  Speaker 4: and I've been waiting to say it, Well, we got
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  Speaker 4: you on David. There was one moment where we were
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  Speaker 4: talking about what songs you liked to play live and
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  Speaker 4: all that stuff, and I remember, if it's you or
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  Speaker 4: someone else said the dead Policeman, uh, And so somebody
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  Speaker 4: was like, well, yeah, we've never played it in this
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  Speaker 4: setting or whatever with me or something like that, and
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  Speaker 4: then Mason chimes up and goes like rain Man like
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  Speaker 4: out of nowhere goes Actually on this YouTube video it
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  Speaker 4: says that you are playing it right here and then
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  Speaker 4: like you can like see I don't remember it was
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  Speaker 4: like Steves or whoever, but it like showed it. And
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  Speaker 4: then immediately from that moment on, you gave like kind
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  Speaker 4: of like a weird eye to Mason. You're like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know a little too much. And that was where
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  Speaker 4: I was like, all right, let's go hang out somewhere
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  Speaker 4: else because just we just totally weirded him out.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, I fact the actual bands. That's not what
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  Speaker 2: we want to do.
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  Speaker 3: As a fan.
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  Speaker 1: I am way more open to being fact checked now,
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  Speaker 1: so you can do a lot of fact checking on
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  Speaker 1: me during this podcast, please do.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely have calmed down way more since then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well okay, So that was a song on The Fiance, right,
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  Speaker 1: which was the album right before me. So I was
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  Speaker 1: probably a little like intimidated knowing that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people come to coming to our shows were huge Fiance fans.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I had a lot to prove when I
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  Speaker 1: first got into the Chariot, So you know, with both stage, presence, songwriting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we hit the ground running writing wars and
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  Speaker 1: rumors of wars. When I first joined the band, I
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  Speaker 1: had barely played.
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  Speaker 2: A show with the Chariot before before before you're recording, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: that is that is something we talked about with with
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  Speaker 2: the Chariot members.
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  Speaker 4: Is there anyone who's in a in a Skagin based bands?
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  Speaker 4: Seems like, uh, the strangest entrances into the band. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: every single member we've talked to has had a goofy
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  Speaker 4: ass entrance into the band. What is your goofy entrance?
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually, before we even get into that, I just
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  Speaker 2: love to hear like your journey with music before you
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  Speaker 2: gotten so. But I do want to hear that story
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  Speaker 2: because it does seem like every Chariot band member has
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  Speaker 2: a weird story about how they got into the Chariot.
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  Speaker 3: But how did you like even get involved in music?
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  Speaker 1: To begin with great question, one word zao?
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  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I mean yeah, any other words that are needed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, zayo. My best friend showed me the band zao,
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  Speaker 1: And I think we were actually at our like youth center,
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  Speaker 1: like the middle school youth center at our church, getting
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  Speaker 1: ready to practice for the worship set, and it was
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  Speaker 1: like the midweek rehearsal, you know as they call it,
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  Speaker 1: and we were just upstairs and like the hangar, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's what we called it, the hangar. It's all
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  Speaker 1: coming back to me. And we were just waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the leader to get there, the band leader to get there,
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  Speaker 1: and my friend, his name was Cappel, and he was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let me show you this band, and he just blasted
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  Speaker 1: ZAO all throughout the room at church. So it was perfect.
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  Speaker 1: It was perfect.
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  Speaker 4: And did he freak some people out?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Definitely?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah good, that's the way it should be.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely. But somehow I fell in love with it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so glad I did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: Heavy music prior to that, No.
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  Speaker 1: No, barely heard any any kind of screaming music at
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  Speaker 1: that point.
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  Speaker 4: So why do you think it didn't turn you off?
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  Speaker 4: Because most people, it seems like it does turn them off.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's some of us that have like a
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  Speaker 4: morbid curiosity where we're like, I kind of like the
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  Speaker 4: guttural almost, you know, Crol magnum Man kind of yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know, Maybe I was just predestined. I love za
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  Speaker 1: Oh who knows, but yeah, yeah, yeah, well, let's not
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  Speaker 1: get into that, but definitely, or we can get into it.
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  Speaker 1: How do you want this podcast to go?
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  Speaker 2: We multiple, you know, all two people that are gonna
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  Speaker 2: listen to it. It's gonna turn out regardless.
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  Speaker 1: So well, I'm not gonna listen to it because I
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  Speaker 1: hate hearing my voice recorded. So I'm sorry, guys, this
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  Speaker 1: is this is the first and last time I will
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  Speaker 1: listen to it.
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  Speaker 3: No offense in the other episodes, though, I will.
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  Speaker 4: I will. Yeah, have you ever sang in a record?
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  Speaker 1: I've done some screaming vocals on, like the Chariot Record
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  Speaker 1: and some bands I grew up playing in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what songs from the Cheer did you have like
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  Speaker 3: background stuff for.
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  Speaker 4: Or were you fore ground?
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  Speaker 1: Can we come back to that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: I was waiting for Mason to already fact check you,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, apparently he doesn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: I probably even know like the working titles for some
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  Speaker 2: of these too, so yeah, because I know you all
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  Speaker 2: were just like working on working titles all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was on One Wing. I think I
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  Speaker 1: did a song on One Wing. Okay, Okay, it's weird
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  Speaker 1: how I'm gonna remember this because I think it's the
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  Speaker 1: song that's before the Oh Busy Busy Bee song.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so it would have been like the second
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  Speaker 3: song on the album.
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  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, not that that might have been.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was I thought that was Rian he does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was too shit. I got off
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  Speaker 1: track here. You were asking me about my introduction.
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  Speaker 3: But this this is a podcast of tangents.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course we're not focused at all. Yeah, was
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  Speaker 4: it the song your.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's the busy busy one, So it would have
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  Speaker 2: to be it would have to be not Forget Not
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I said. But not is the one at
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the at the end of not is when Brian is screaming.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I might have a back backup vocal on that one.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: We'll have to go back and listen.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I have to.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and listen because I'm like,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to. I know, like Brian was singing at
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the end, but yeah, I'm trying to.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he came back and sing on that record.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: That was the first time I'd really have truly heard
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: his scream and I was like, holy ship, what he did?
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: He screamed on Daggers.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, the first so oh that was his interesting. I
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: didn't realize that. Okay, we'll get.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Into I'm sure we'll get into the records.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, but so okay, so like, okay, you
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: heard Zao heard and then that just like you were like,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I got I gotta do whatever that is, no.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: More waves of mercy, Waves of grace. I had to
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: play double bass that shamelessly rhymed. But yeah, I had
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to get a double bass at that point, I get that, yeah,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and uh yeah yeah. So it started with Zao. I
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: got into heavy music. Obviously. I was playing drums at
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: that point on the worship band. But then in high
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: school I started a band called Falling Into Forever, which
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any record of that anywhere, hopefully not.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Let's put it out to the listeners or to the
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Chariot Facebook group. If you have anything, please let us know.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yep. And then so I refer to Brian as Rusty,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So if you hear me say Rusty, that's Brian Taylor
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: called him that for the last twenty years. But we
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, we've been playing music together for
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: twenty years and we started a band called the Rain
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: r E I n in high school and we would
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: play a venue called the Seventh Venue in Douglasville. Yeah right,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And Douglasville is where Norma Jean and the Chariot. Obviously, well,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the owner of the venue, the guy who ran the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: venue and owned the venue, he is Josh's father in law.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: So get this.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Imagine this. You're a local band playing the Seventh Venue.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: You know, Josh's father in law runs the venue. What
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: are you expecting? What are you hoping for every single
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: time you play that venue that Josh shows up? So
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: he never did. I mean, the Chariot played a couple
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: times when my band The Rain was still around, but
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: and we would go to the seven Venue and watch them.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: We typically see them at the Masquarade of course in Atlanta,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: but every once in a while they'd played. That was
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the true hometown venue for the Chariot. So so anyways,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: we got to know we played that. I don't know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you all have been in local bands and
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you played the same local venue all the time, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: that was just a thing in the scene. So we
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: would play the Seventh Venue as frequently as we could,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: so we got to know. I mean, that's where I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: met Stevis that's where I met a lot of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: guys who ran the Seven Venue, and at one point
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: it was it was after the Fiance because all the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: all the guys who were on the Fiance left the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: band abruptly, and then Josh sort of went on a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: short hiatus, like a year or a year and a half.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: And you know, if you Mason, I know, I'm sure
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you know all the timelines, But there was a stint
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: where after the Fiance where he didn't tour, there were
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: no shows set up, so I honestly kind of forgot
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: about the Chariot during that time. And then all of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a sudden, this guy from the Seventh Venue hits me
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: up and says, hey, Josh is interested in basically scouting
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: out some new members, and I told him about you guys,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: because you guys remind us. I mean, we were obviously
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: highly influenced. I was a huge fan of The Chariot
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: growing up, so I guess he thought our music maybe
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: was the most reminiscent of the Chariot out of all
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the bands that came through that venue. So they there
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: was this rumor going on this show we were playing.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: It was a YMCA in Alfaretta, Georgia and all our
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: friends came out to it and they were all whispering,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: is Josh Gogin going to show up at this show?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I highly doubt it. Well, long
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: story short, he shows up for our set, and you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: he's all cool with his leather jacket, just leaned up
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: against the wall and the back wall on the side,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and we see him there and we're completely nervous playing
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that set, but he apparently liked it, and Brian's in
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the band, so he ended up grabbing us right after
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: our set. That might have actually been our last show too.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the timeline exactly, but I think we
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: were about to retire the band, and so it was
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a perfect segue into our next phase of music or
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: not music. I was going to college, so I was
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: in college at that point, and Brian was about to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: go to college, so you know, we had commitments. And
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Josh takes us to a waffle house down the street
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and we sit there and he throws on like Bob
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Dylan in you know, on the on the playlist and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: all cool like, and we're just sitting there chatting about
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: life and music and he's like, hey, I again I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: guess he was impressed with the show, and he was like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I would love to go on tour with you guys,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: like tomorrow basically is what he was saying, Not tomorrow,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: but like you guys are in the band if you want.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: And I was obviously in my head thinking about, well,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: what are all the things I got to give up
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to like actually be in a big band. I was
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: just a nobody kid, private school kid from John's Creek, Georgia.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I had no business getting this job offer from Josh
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Schagin you know idol at the time. And yeah, so
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: long story short, Brian said yes before me because I
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: was like, I got to talk to my I gotta
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: think about this. I got to talk to my parents.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: My parents are not going to like this, and he
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: said yes. That obviously encouraged me to say I've got
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: to do this. My one of my best friends, a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: guy I've been playing music with for years, is saying
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: yes to this. This is the perfect, perfect opportunity. So
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: so I ended up telling my parents dropping out of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: college and I'm big, I mean not well, not well
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: at all. I bet my mom took it a little
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: better than my dad. She you know, she wanted to
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: be a missionary growing up, she never got the opportunity
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to do that, went straight to her career and you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: so she understood like following your path. My dad understands
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that too, but he just can't. In his brain it's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: black and white. You got to go to school, you
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: got to finish school. So his first words were, well,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: can you finish school and then go on tour? My head,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, nope, this is this is the last
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: opportunity I'm going to get right to literally change my life.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: So I took it, and did you eventually finish school?
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I did.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I did so my not to not to be a downer,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: just to finish my thought with colon. My dad and
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't speak for three years after that. Oh whoa,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: yeah wow, we amended the relationship, but yeah, we didn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: speak for three years. So I carried that weight with
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: me for a lot of my time with the Chariot.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: But for me, man, well, if it's any consolation, I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: really like the Chariot.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. I do too. This is you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this and feel very embarrassed, so you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: forgive me, but I think the Chariot's the greatest band
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: in the world, and I probably should have started with that,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: because when you guys hit me up, I was like, man,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I haven't opened this metaphorical box of the Chariot and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: so long It's been what twelve years and even longer
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: since I've done really any music stuff. So for you
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: all the you know, it's it's hard for me to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: bring Chariot stuff back up, but because I loved it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: so much and I don't feel like I deserved it,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But I think Chariot's the greatest band in the world
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and the Swifties of the world will never understand it, though,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: But there's something yeah, yeah, I mean, there's something about
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: creating chaos on a record and being able to portray
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: that on stage live. Like to to really experience the Charrot,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you got to be up front, right yep, feeling what
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: we're feeling, the sweat and snot and spit hitting your
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: face and seeing Josh's lungs literally burst out of his chest,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like you gotta experience it that way. And I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: if you that, there are tons of bands out there
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: that tried to do what we did and they they
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: they couldn't get that that sort of third heat so
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to speak. You know, you could maybe they understood the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: passion of the show. Right. There's a lot of bands
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: out there that are really good stage performers. I'll give
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: him credit for that, but their songs are a little lackluster.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: They didn't have that X factor that I think Josh
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Josh's writing and all of our writing brought to the table.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You know, you got some bands who write songs that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: are beautiful and much better than the songwriting I've ever
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: done or been a part of, but they can't do
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the sage presence thing. You merge those two things together
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and then add in the crowd reacting to all that.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: There's nothing I've never been a part of anything like
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: it since then or before.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think you could have nailed that more on
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: the head. Mason and I both agreed that probably the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: most spiritual moment of our entire lives was at a
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Chariot show. I mean it was as during the Farewell
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Farewell to Her in Minneapolis, we from the very first
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: note of the very first song of the last set
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: that you guys are Gonna do, Mason and I were
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: plunged onto the stage and I was just hanging on
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: for Dear Life onto your Crash Stand and I had
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: this like weird epiphantal moment where I was like, this
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: is this is something that I'm going to remember for
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: the rest of my life, and it means something into
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: like my soul, and it means something to everybody here.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, because we're all here in this moment, all
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: sharing in this wonderful songwriting and this wonderful energy and
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: this wonderful you know, punk rock attitude. Uh, it transcended
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: reality for me, And I know Mason feels the same way.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: And I don't think that I don't. I don't think
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I've still quite got to like the heart of how
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: that made me feel.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I think I think that like punk
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Ethos that I think the chariot most perfectly embodied that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I've ever witnessed in any other band is like for me,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: it transcended just the music itself, right like for that moment,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: like we're all stuck on the stage because there's literally
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: no wave back, so we're all stuck on the stage
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and we're all just a part of this moment. And
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: when I think back to a moment like that, I'm like,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: whatever it is that I do in the world, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: want to create that kind of I want to create
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that kind of environment for other people. So, whether it's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: like at church, or whether that's in my nameighborhood, or
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: whether that's in any one of my relationships, I want
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: to create this kind of environment where we all are
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: participating in this together. We're all invested in this together,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and there's not one of us that's better or has.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: More authority than the other. We are just all a
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: part of this together.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so whether that's at church, in my neighborhood, wherever,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: that is, like, I want to create that kind of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: environment because whatever I experienced in that moment felt like
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: trance transcendent to how we should just be living our lives.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't just for music, it was just like
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: this is how life should be, at least in my opinion.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So that's that's like the kind of impact that Chariot
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: has had on me.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's cool that you feel that same way
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: from the way you described it there.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it sounds so pretentious though, doesn't it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't, it really does, but like it
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: truly is, like this is a really important band for
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of people because of I think largely because
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of that, whether they can articulate it that way or not,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: but still like that, I think that's it's a huge
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: important part of our lives.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: It's gathering on a cult.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I was proud. I'm I'm so proud of the band.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, Josh said it the first day he asked
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: me to join the band. He said, this is this
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: is a one time opportunity for all of us. And frankly,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I write music that I love to listen to and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I want you to be a part of that. So yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I'm I can stand up proud and say I am
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: proud to be in the Chariot, And yes, it was it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like I was in the greatest band in
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, And it's it's hard to articulate sometimes
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: or say that in front of people, but like I said,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I was, I need the reminder of it every ten
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: years or whatever it is, because it really does film
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: my soul, film my heart up. So I appreciate you
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: guys honestly asking me to do this, the kind.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Of randomness of you joining the Chariot, of you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: like Josh seen you all play like one show and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: then like fairly soon after that to be like asked
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: to be a part of the Chariot is similar to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: what we've heard from other members that were in the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Chariot of it seemed very random of how maybe not
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: even random spontaneous it was that somebody would join the Chariot,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: like I remember here and I remember what episode, maybe
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: it was with like Wolf for whoever it was. But
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: we heard that again, and I remember thinking to myself,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Colin and I we were we saw you guys in Fargo.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: We helped you guys load up because we just got
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: there really early, And I'm thinking to myself, that could
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: have been very well, the reason why we could have
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: joined the Chariot, like it literally truly is as spontaneous
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and random as that that we just showed up to
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: a show early and helped you all guys out, Like
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it really could have been that random. That next thing
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: we know, like now we're in the Chariot. Like that's
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that's how random.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: It seems. Like so many people that joined the Chariot
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: became part of the Chariot.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's so many stories. We always called
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it a revolving door of guitarists. And I'm thinking of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: this one story with Dan Vogie. Did y'all meet Dan Voke?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: He was on Wars and rumors of Wars?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we haven't interviewed him, and yeah, we haven't
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: interviewed him, and I don't think he wasn't at either
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: of the shows that we went to, right, it was
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: gonna have been out of the band by them. So yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: but we obviously we know of Dan.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was the one from Canada, right, Yeah,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and he was in a band called was it I
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Hate Sally? Does My memory served me right?
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Believe So that's pretty close. If that's not quite the name.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: This is where my encyclopedia knowledge ends for the Chariot.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He So he was from Canada, and that's where
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I was going with it. There we go.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: So he.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: We were on tour and we were crossing over from
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the State side to the Canadian side, and I think
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: he got flagged. We've heard this, Okay, he got flagged
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and he didn't have a renewal of his work visa
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: for the US. He didn't come back with us, like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: just straight long story, Shore didn't come back with us.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I think we had to get was it Tyler from
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a plea for purging to finish out the last couple
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: shows with us? Tyler?
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Tyler fact checked me on that one too.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: He was playing guitar at the time.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was playing their their second guitar at the time.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: He left the band shortly after that, Yeah, go ahead, I.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Believe so, Yeah, he left, and then I think that's
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: when Steves came on board after after Dann Bogan couldn't
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: get back in the States.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that I remember Steve was telling us.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: It was one of those things where it was just constant.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's just one of many stories.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's interesting because I think Mason and
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I would both say that, uh, you know, there was
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: a revolving door of guitarists and and and they were
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: all great in their own way. I mean, they all
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: brought their own like musicality. But I think Mason and
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I would argue that you, in a lot of ways
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: are kind of the heart of it all. You know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: you you brought a different kind of outside of Josh. Yeah, obviously,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I mean like that's yeah, I'm talking music music musically,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: you brought it different kind of energy, and you had
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: a stage performance or a performative part about you that
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: was a little bit more unique than I think any
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: other drummer that I've ever seen live at least, and
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: you had you have this really cool, like nuanced style
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: that it's ir irreplicable and anything I've ever heard. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I've heard Mason say that exact same thing before in
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the past too. I don't know if Mason, if you
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: have anything else.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: To add to that, but well, maybe to underscore that
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: one of the videos, like if there's somebody who I
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: like know remotely is interested in heavy music, one of
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the things I will often share with them is the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Warp Tour video of just you playing drums, and I'm
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: just and whether that person knows drums or not, I'm
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: just like, isn't this kind of nuts that, like somebody
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: can just play this because like every five seconds it
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: seems like there's a different time signature. Like that seems
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a little nuts to you, right And and anyway, like
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that to me is like underscores that that video, to me,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: underscores how incredible of a drummer you are. And and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: it you know, it's a span that you know ends up,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you know, after ten years fizzling out or whatever, and
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it's just like, I'm like, you are such a talented
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: drummer and and you know, anyway, there's lots to be
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: said about that, but anyway.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Well I'm flattered. I appreciate that, guys. And I don't
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: know where it came. I don't know where it came from.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know where it comes from, honestly. I mean,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I I'm I had a lot of influences growing up,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: but yeah, who knows where your style comes from? Right?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And I don't have really any musical background, much less
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: in my family. I was the first one to do
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: anything musical in my immediate family. So yeah, it's kind
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: of wild ended.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Probably why you can do it that way, it's probably
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: mean you didn't have any I.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Didn't put anything in a box. Yeah, exactly.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: No, there's no structure to it. So you just were
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: able to be free and completely open with how you
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: express yourself on a drum kit. That's pretty cool, man, Yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about some of you know, some of those recordings.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: So you mentioned, you know, you joined the Chariot and
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: pretty much immediately after you're starting to record Wars, Right.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That's right. I think we did one show the first Okay,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: so I will start with this. The first show I
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: did was with I Think I Am Terrified played Hell Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I want to say. It was somewhere in North Carolina.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It was just a festival, you know, a bunch of
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: bands that maybe, yeah, I can't remember who all was
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: on it. But the reason why that's a core memory
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: of mine. One because the first show I played with
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the Chariot. Two because I was so nervous. I had
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: so much to prove, right, you had j Crime before me.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: You know, all the all the Keller Buyser, you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: all those guys that they they were so well known
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: as being part of the Chariot before I step up
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to the plate. Yeah, and uh so I was super nervous.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And the night before we were practicing at the Seventh Venue.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: That's where we practiced, by the way, the Seventh Venue.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So to see Josh you had to you had to
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: stay past, you know, midnight, because he was probably waiting
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: for everyone to leave to go practice with the Chariot.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: But so we were learning all these songs we didn't write,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you know, and you're familiar with those rock boxes or
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: ego risers as they call it. And these ones, you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: they had the plexiglass on top, super heavy, beefy, and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: they have the lights going through them, and for whatever reason,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: we had to move a few of them off the stage.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And the seven venue stage was super high, like shoulder height,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and we were pulling it off the stage. I think,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I don't remember who it was, Brian and me or
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: maybe a wolf, and we tipped it on accident and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the plexiglass fell out. And it's plexiglass that's like, you know,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: three quarters inch thick or more, and it went directly
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: on my big toe and immediately swelled up. I could
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: barely walk. I mean, I should have been on crutches
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: at that point, so kickfoot. Thankfully not it was my
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: left foot, even though I'm left handed, I actually play
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: right handed. And yeah, so thankfully it was my high
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: half foot, so I could get away with it. I
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't doing a lot of double bass at that point, obviously,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: but man, I could only imagine these new guys walk
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: up on stage. One of them had basically has his
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: foot wrapped in toilet paper, and you know, probably looked
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: nervous and out of place and Yeah, that was That
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: was a rough start with the chariot got off on
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the right foot, on the wrong foot obviously, and uh
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: got off on the right foot, my left foot was
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: ft up, is what I was trying to say. Then
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: then we we did We went straight to a tour
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: in Norway.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: God.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so right out the gate, this is two thousand
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and eight. I'm eighteen years old, I drop out of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: high school, play a show, and then immediately go, you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: get my passport and go to Norway.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: That was.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Another core memory. I feel like I remember the beginning
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: parts of my journey and the end.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: But we play.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: We had a band come with us called the Satire.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Sure okay, and.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I think some of those guys are like tight with
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: with Cornerstone Festival. If y'all go way back, that's a
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: deep cut, deep cut. And then uh banea Reach. Have
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: y'all ever heard of benea Reach? Look it up? Okay,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: earmark this in the podcast and go look them up.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I doubt they're a band anymore because I think they
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they broke up soon after. But if they're still doing stuff,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that's great. But they they were. They were from Norway,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Norwegian band metalcore Super sick. That was a great tour
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: to kick everything off on. And then yeah, we went
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: straight into writing new songs for Wars and Rumors of
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Wars and the first song that Rusts Rusty, Brian Taylor
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and I wrote together was Daggers.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: That was the first one you guys wrote together.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And he does all right, Mason, he actually does the vocals,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: He does the intro vocals. Take it all back, take
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: it all back. That's that's Brian.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I remember him saying that when we talked
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: to him too. Yeah, yeah, God, that's wild.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And we recorded a video for that song, yeah, with
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Daniel Davis.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: How does that feel?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how does that feel to be like, okay, you
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: were you know again, like you're what eighteen nineteen at
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: this point, it's gotta be one of the first songs
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: that you write and that ends up being a song
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: that becomes a single for this.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Really great band. Like that's gonna that's gonna be kind
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: of cool for you, right.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, my ego went up after that. Ego Riser
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: just screwed up. My toe killed my ego. Yeah, it was.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: It was really cool to feel like because you never know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: we could have walked in there and Josh just like
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: hear the songs, just learn them right, right, but the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: new songs. But he was like, no, I want y'all
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to he literally told us, and this is this is
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the beauty of you know, of a front man like
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Josh Goggins. He was like, I don't want to be
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the face of the band. I want five years from
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: now for people to see David and Brian as the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: face of the Chariot along with everyone else. So I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: mean I took I mean that obviously meant a lot
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to the two of us just stepping into this cold
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: you know, it was it was. It was a crazy
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: place to be in being in your favorite band now
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: writing the band's next record since they've been on basically hiatus,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: so everybody was waiting for it. There was all this
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: anticipation for wars and rumors of wars and yeah, I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: feel like we nailed it. H Dan Voki's guitar on
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that I mean, it was super dark and he played
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: some baritone on that guitar on that record, which was
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: really cool. He brought a lot of like the I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: hate Sally roots, which really, you know, you listen to them,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you're gonna say oh converge. It sound a lot like
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Converge and which is definitely a compliment. And uh so
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: there were some awkward there. What it was a little
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: awkward for me at the same time, Like, yeah, I
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: think we nailed some of the writing being new to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the band and new faces to this, you know, the scene,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: the hardcore scene, but it was still it was still
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: super awkward. Like I remember learning some like syncopation stuff
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: that Dan Voke was trying to get me to do
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: with his guitar riffs, and I was like, I've never
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: played like this before. This is sou super weird for me.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: But we just sat there at the Seventh Venue just
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: going over the part over and over and over again
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: until he was like, dude, it's it's like you were
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: born to do this. And I so I appreciate Dan,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Boke and Josh were like father figures to me in
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that in that environment because they were obviously a little
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: older than Brian and I were, but are but yeah,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I mean they had so much experience with writing and
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: touring and recording and all that that good stuff. So
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: we learned. We learned a time. I mean, again, we
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: were just local band boys.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you when you started laying down tracks, did
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: you feel like you needed a change your drumming style
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: to fit the Chariot more or were you just like,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to be me and whatever it is.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Maybe it fits, maybe it doesn't, we'll see how it goes,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: or like, did you have a certain thought process going
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: into that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely on Wars and rumors of wars because I
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: was a little you know, I didn't want to I
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: didn't want to take it a completely different direction. I
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: just didn't feel comfortable in my shoes at that point.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: So there, I did, kind of the first time put
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: myself in a box creating music. But thankfully, I mean naturally,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Josh opens up that box as you go through the
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: writing process. So we learned a lot. But there are
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: definitely songs on the record where I'm like, I remember
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: recording that and just feeling so out of place recording
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that part. We really locked in with long Live.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, well we speaking of long Live. Let's let's
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: talk about that then too. You know, I think I
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: know Cullen is one of these people. Long Live for
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of people, a lot of Chariot folks are
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: is the kind of magnet opus of the Chariot, and
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm just curious for you, you know, obviously
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: in the David dala Jo's video, like does you know
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: its thing? And like what does that moment of like
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: recording that video and and recording that album?
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: What what what does that like moment mean for you?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Knowing that by that point you would have been in
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the chape from what through years at that point close
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: to that, yeah, two and a half years maybe, yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: two and a half years. So yeah, like at that moment,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you were more comfortable. It sounds like by
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: that point you probably felt a little bit more like, Okay,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna like introduce kind of my own style a
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: little bit more to this album.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm just curious what was that process for
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: you for Long Live?
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Long Live was definitely the most fun I've ever had
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: recording a record. I mean, we we brought out all
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the tricks in that on that record. But yeah, I mean,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the second time you do anything is gonna be you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent better sometimes than the first time you
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: did it. But it, I don't know the word. It
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: just felt like a family at that point. So we
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: were obviously we had friends in the studio with us recording.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: David and Matt Goldman played drums with me during that recording,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: which was really cool obviously second time working with him
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: at that point. And uh, you got the city on
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: the record. We had a bunch of friends come and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: do the the the group vocal on that yeah, gang vocal. Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: So it really felt like we had well, first of all,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: it felt like we had one hundred people in the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: studio at all times for that record. But there were
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: so many elements we just everything we had talked about doing,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: you know, in the last two years, like let's let's
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: think outside the box, even for the Chariot, and we
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: pulled out all the stops on that record, whether it
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: was using you know, xylophone or vibraphone or chimes or
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a harpist or you know, I think was it.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: You have a song that's basically in reverse on that album.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, halfway through it reverses back and you hear
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: my stick clicks like like, and then the intro clip
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: is in reverse at the beginning of the song, and
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: then you actually hear what the dude says at the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: end of the song. I mean, all that kind of
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: stuff we're just ideas we had while we're driving down
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the road to the next show. So yeah, I mean
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I feel like we we got to sort of strip
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the boundaries even for or expand the boundaries of what
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the Chariot could actually do with the songwriting process. On
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: that I'm trying to remember specifics. At that point, Brian
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: is no longer in the band, and Stevis is recording
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: as well as John Terry. Yeah intro John Terry again.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: So that was really cool because I knew, you know,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: back when they recorded the Fiance so and and those
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: songs came out and he I remember thinking, man, this
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: dude probably one of the best guitarists I've ever seen
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: played because he played a few shows with us. Yeahs
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: for him, Yeah, flawless at you know, that style of playing.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: And I wish I knew how the vernacular for guitar
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: a little better, so I could, you know, paint this
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: beautiful picture of how he plays guitar. But so that
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: was really special to have him come in. Obviously a bummer,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you know, life happens. Brian left the band, no hard feelings,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: but to have John Terry come in Stevis for the
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: first time as well. Recording with us was was really cool.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, Yeah, somehow I felt like I
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: was in lockstep, maybe with Josh a little more, but
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: we I think right out the gate, I worked well
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: with those two new guitarists I along with.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and who can't get along with both John
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: and Steves? Especially Steves. I mean that that guy. He
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: seems like a riot to just hang with.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, and we haven't even talked about Wolf.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, geez, that guy's a philosopher and.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: A poet and a and also probably what is the
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: funnest hangs and.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Esoteric thinker, you know, I mean, just he's all over
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: the board. It's fun stuff.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: I gotta have people drink his people drink his his
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: sweat sweat yep.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, man, that was a memory I tried to shake,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: but you just brought it right back for me.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Are you still? Are you feeling it right here?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Right now? Right?
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't complain. I was just there watching
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: while Brandon Henderson just took a shot of it.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I still one of my favorite stories from this podcast.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And you know, we hear a lot of ridiculous stuff,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: but one of my favorites was Wolf telling us one
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: time where and maybe this was before you were in
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the Chariot, but he was telling us about this one
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: time where he was in the van. It was super
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: late at night, y'all are sleeping, and he gets like
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: super thirsty in the middle of the night and he
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like leans over, finds the first thing that felt like
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: a water bottle on the ground of the of the van,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: picks it up, takes a swig, and he quickly realizes
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: that's not water and that's not gatorade. It is somebody's
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: excrement of potentially water or gatorade, and he immediately spits
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: it out. And I just think back of like this
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: sounds like what I would imagine the Chariot is like
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: every single day in that van.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, we were known for filling up
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: that trough, you know, on the side of the fassenger van.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I would like, if you just opened that, did it
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: like turn into like the Zubooba food like closet where
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: just everything fell.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Out, everything falls out. Yeah, And at some point it
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: just became a thing. You know. We pull up to
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the venue and just stumble out of the van with
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: trash going everywhere. We picked it up.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: But yeah, what all right? Well, I know that this
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: has always been like one of those like cliche questions
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: that you ask band members like when they're touring and
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. But what is for you the weirdest
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: thing or the most memorable thing that happened in that van?
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: What's the first thing that pops into your head?
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so many things, life, so much, so
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: much life happened in that fan. I will say, Okay,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: the first things that come to mind is I think
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Brandon actually brought this up with y'all recently, but you know,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: taking a dump in a in a brown paper bag
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: one time, we realized there was a WASPS nest inside.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: You know those vans you can pull the cup holders
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: out and just the the guts of the van are
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: just right there next to you on the bench seat.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: And we were just missing cup holders obviously, and I
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: think the van had been sitting over the summer before
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: our next tour, and sure enough they had made a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: nest in our inside the van, and we just hear
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the buzzing and that I wish I could be a
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: fly on the wall to see our reaction.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Once we fly than a human being.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, I mean that's kind of dangerous to be
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: driving down the highway and realizing that's that that's a
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: passenger in the van with you. Let's see, we set
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: off fireworks the.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Same like the wasp bird. Not the thing that they're
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: the most dangerous is the damn fireworks.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So y'all have heard about that one.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: We've seen we've seen it on the That's right record.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: That was so good. That's actually what endeared the Chariot
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: to Mason and Mason and I too, are us to
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: the Chariot? First?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry, do you all know about the the meat plate?
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: The meat plate, so somebody, you know, the rider at
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the in the green room a lot of times was
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you know, just a plate of assorted meats, and uh,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: you know, we're we're punk rock. We're in a punk
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: rock band. We're not making a ton of money. So
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: we'd take that with us. And the only place to
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: put it is either at our feet where all the
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: trash is, or you know, on the the top dash
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: of the van, right in between the window and the dash,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and so it would sit there and bake in the sun,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and we'd still eat that stuff.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nice wore meat, I get it.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just getting extremely warm sounds.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: So I see like the oils like eventually like kind
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: of seeping out of that meat and going into the
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: dash and sleeping down.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: It's like you're not getting that smell out for sure.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that's you just need to We needed
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: to burn the van after that tour.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: My dad has an old Mustang that like a mouse
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: died in the ac event or whatever, and like he's
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: removed the mouse, I mean obviously removed that mouse like
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: a long time ago, but like you can't remove that smell.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: So regardless of how many years it's I mean it's
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: been probably forty years since that that mouse died in there,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: but that smell is going to still be in there.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: So I can't imagine that persseudo oil still being in
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: that van.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: So this I just thought of another story. This happened
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: outside of our van, but the van is still key
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: a key part of the story. So we were playing Portland,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I believe, and Stevens and I are either I think
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: we're getting ready to play, and our clothes are probably
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: in the back of the van, in between the van
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and the trailer, so we open those doors and realize
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: we smell something and we look down and where the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: trailer hitched to the ball, someone had stood up on
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: it and took a dump right there on our what
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: right there on the van. I guess they thought this
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: is a this is a perfect opportunity place to just
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: take a private.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Dump, so like right onto the ball.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was, you know, I think I
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: think it was the bumper where that like he he
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: put his feet. How can I paint the picture? So
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you got you got the van and you got the trailer. Yeah,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: And if I'm sitting this way standing on the trailer
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: fork right yeah, yeah, before right before the ball, that's
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: where my feet are going. And then I'm holding on
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to something from the trailer, leaning over the bumper, the
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: rear bumper of the van and just letting it loose.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: I bet you that's actually a pretty comfy way to
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was ergonomical for the guy or Greg
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: or Gal could have been a gal?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Was it a band playing a joke on you or something?
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Or it could have been but they never revealed it.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: They're playing the long Someone's gonna listen to this and
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: saying I know who's.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Gonna Andy Atkins and be like, yeah, that's me, guys.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: It was it was me all along. I could fifteen
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: years later. You know.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: It's funny because the plea for Pershing was the first
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: band that came to my mind.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but yeah, well of those guys
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: for sure did without a doubt. They they like, if
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: anybody's gonna be like, oh that's the Cheeriots fan, I'm
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: gonna take a shit right on there.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I would love to know. I would love to know.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope, I hope that comes light.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, speaking of trailer hitch shits, let's talk
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: about One Wing, which is the reason why I bring
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: up trailer shit hit shits.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: But it's literally the opposite of that, let's be honest.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: So One Wing might be what was the weirdest transition
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: in the history of this test.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I'm a white guy. I like my segues.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I think One Wing might be for sure a top
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: three album of all time for me, to any album
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: I've ever heard. I know Colin definitely is more partial
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: to Long Live than One Wing, But obviously Colin I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: would imagine One Wing is probable second maybe Yeah, yeah, so,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: but One Wing for sure top three favorite album of
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: all time for me. So what was that process? Like,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, you you talked a little bit just this
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: is interesting. You said you felt like Long Live pulled
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: out all the stops. At least from a listener experience,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: it feels like One Wing was pulling out all the stops.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: So I'd love to just hear your your own like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: processing or your thoughts or reflections on One Wing. Well,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: not to go too far back to Long Live, but
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: maybe from a drummer's perspective, I felt like we really
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: got to do a lot of cool things drumming wise
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: on Long Live. We did a lot of overdub stuff
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: or layering of drums on Long Lives.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: So for me, that was super special for One Wing.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: You're totally right. I mean the the Charlie Chaplin one cheek,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah right. I mean that song to me like gives
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: still gives me chills when I listened to what was that?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Officially, my perception of that was that was the last
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: recorded song of the Cheeriot, Like that was the last
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: one you guys ever recorded?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Is that correct?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I believe so, because it just it seems like with
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Josh crying at the end, and again who who knows
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: the spect I don't know if I've ever asked this
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: before from a Cheri person that was on that album.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: It seems like as if Josh.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Knew that that was the last song that would ever
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: be recorded. Like I know, it was a year after
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: that before you got all like announced, and you know,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: from from hearing the nature of the announcement, it didn't
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: seem as if you all know knew that going into
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: that album that they would be the last album. But
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: it just seems like with Josh crying at the end,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: it almost seemed like he knew. And that could be wrong,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: but it just seemed.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Like that, Yeah, I mean, very well, could have been
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: we didn't We didn't know. I mean I was I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: was just getting started in my mind, but yeah, very well,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: And what a great song to end with. Sure, in
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: my opinion that I also have.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: A spaghetti Western song.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: That one was. I love playing that song live. That
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: one was so much fun to play live.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: It was so much fun to be in a crowd one. Yeah,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: like especially when when Dan was with you guys playing
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: the trumpet. Yes, that was so so cool because I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: wasn't expecting it, and I don't think Mason was either.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: When when we saw it, it was great.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you guys are bringing back a lot of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: memories of especially that One Wing tour or the final
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: tour we did. Yeah, we did Warp tour that year
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I'm remembering yep.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so yeah, it just it just felt like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: that album was a sort of like pulling out kind
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: of again. And you know, I know that Josh was
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: for sure like the kind of creative directive of the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Chariot in a lot of ways, but it just felt
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: like he was just like pulling out, like all right,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: what what can I ring out of this rag right now?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: That there's left and it and it seemed like One
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Wing was that.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like every little last drop he could get
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: out of that wet rag, that's what he was getting
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: out of it.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Well said, I mean, that's totally true. And I think
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier on. But Brian came back
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: and did those vocals right at the end of Not
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: one of the guys that I actually he's in the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Threats with us, Travis Sadler. He plays bass. He played
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: the piano on Speak Okay, Cool, yes, yeah, so again,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: it's like having family. We we we always used, you know,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: our best friends to come in and help us create
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: what we were doing. Yeah, I think that might be
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: the record where we had some xylophone now that I'm
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: thinking about it, Yeah, man, part of me wants to
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: listen to all these songs with you guys. I bet
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: that would be a blast.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: That would be a blast.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: We should do.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: That's actually I haven't even thought about like a part
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: of album listening with members from the band.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: Well, that's a great episode idea colored those twenty twelve, twelve, okay, yeah,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: so we would.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: I wonder if we could do it at the twenty year,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: fifteen year, fifteen years.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Who knows what way we can do fifteen year.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually I like the idea of doing a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: listening party many many years later, but with with.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: A member from the band that was in that album.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: That would That's sick. I didn't even thought about that.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: That's cool art.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: But anyway, sorry, but.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: We love you know, we loved paying homage to other artists,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: right or other songs that I think we actually brought
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: back a clip like a radio jingle clip that said
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: at Lanta Atlanta. We brought that back on that record.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: It was on Long Live.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, so well then you even played homage to the
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Chariot from the very first album with the Uh there
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: was the the before there was Atlanta guitar riff that
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: well no wait, sorry, that was from that that was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: on Long Live.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: But like you guys even did that event.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: So it's just like it's there is this level of
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: like pain homage to either other artists or or even
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: the Chariot themself.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Here's the coolest pang of homage that I've ever seen,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: and it was a chariot. It was the Chariot doing it.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: When Mason and I saw you in Minneapolis on your
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: Farewell tour, it was the day that lou Reid died.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: Josh just so happened to be wearing a lou Reed
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: shirt that day, like coincidence, and you guys played like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: part of Walk on the wild Side just to start
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: off the show or not not to start off the show,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: but it was like somewhere in the middle of the show.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: And talk about paying homage, right, I mean.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I mean you see it in our march too a lot, yeah,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: doctor Seuss, doctor, Yeah, that's right.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that album, it's just it's so well crafted,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: it's it's perfectly ended.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: It's just everything like the sequencing of it. This is
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: the other thing like I love about.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I think what like takes a really good album for
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: me is just the sequencing is if you're able to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: track by track, it seems like that the songs are
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: just placed in the right order that really will set
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: like an album apart for me. And every Chariot album
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: is like that, but but One Wing especially kind of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: solidified that for me.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh was really good. I mean, I gotta give
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: hit credit where credits due. I mean, he really knew
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: how to put together an album. And you know he
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you all know this, but he
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: refused to do any more than ten songs yeap, which
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the records I was into,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: twelve songs was the standard. But I'm a fan of it,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: you know now, I only want to do like five
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: or six songs and move on to the next thing.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, or never or never play or never
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: record something again with that?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, one question that.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I've definitely asked this with some
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: of the other folks. From the Chariot is clearly you
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: have an admiration of Josh, as Colin and I do. No,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: we've definitely seen like some things around like Josh, I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: think probably creatively, is at times maybe difficult to work with.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm just curious, like what you knowing that, Like
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: you came into being a part of the Chariot as
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: a fan and then obviously we're working with him for
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: three or four or five years. What was that experience
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: like in terms of just your relationship, Like what was
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: he somebody that you even were like, oh my god,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: like I can totally see like why you are the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: way you are.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: You're amazing, or was it.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Something where it was like, okay, like there's definitely difficult
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: parts of you, but there's also these other parts. I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: would imagine, like it's probably like any kind of relationship
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: where you, you know, like even in marriage, like you
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: might love somebody but you also are like, oh, there's
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: probably probably parts of you that's like a little difficult
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: to work with. But anyway, I'm just curious, like what
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: that relationship with Josh has been like for you. Knowing
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: that again, like Josh is somebody that both Colin and
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I am Meer and a lot of other people really
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: are like God, he is just next level.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I was one of those people that was on stage
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: at Furnessfest screaming along with Josh recently. So you know,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: I'm Kulin and I are one of those kind of people.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: We love Josh.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing you could say that, but I'm
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: just curious, like knowing that there's probably some people that
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: are like he's kind of difficult to work with at
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: times too.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean personalities, man, it's it can be a
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: bit sometimes. But I felt a kinship with Josh. I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: think I said that earlier. I mean he was sort
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: of a father figure showing me the ropes. Before the Cherriot,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I'd never toured in a band outside of playing a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: few weekend warrior stuff things in like Florida. You know,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: I'm from Atlanta, so we go down to Florida and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: play a few shows. But that doesn't that doesn't mean
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: your experience at that point. So I think I leaned
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: on him, as you know, my dad and I didn't
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: speak for most of the time. So yeah, I felt
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: this kinship with Josh and we I mean some of
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: my best friends, I know exactly, and I'm not afraid
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: to say, yeah, we butt heads on these these issues
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: and these topics. Same thing with Josh. I mean, we're
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: gonna butt heads on things. I remember one time on
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: tour we were we realized there was something wrong with
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: the our tire on the van and we needed to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: go get it checked out or fixed. And at some
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: point that morning. That morning, I was trying to find,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: you know, a tractor supply, any anything that could help
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: us fix whatever the issue was. And I've spent a
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: couple hours like trying to track down how what can
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: we do because a lot of times you just don't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: have resources at your disposal on tour. And then all
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Josh goes, hey, we're gonna have to
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: deal with this tomorrow. We've got to go to a show.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: And I flipped out. I was like, I'm trying to help.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I was so close to finding the
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: solution to it, and we butted heads. And you know,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: I've seen it happen on tour where just something small
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: and petty like that ruins the relationship. So I was like,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: you know what, I've got to nip this in the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: bud right now, so later that day, you know, Josh
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: and I were really good at saying, okay, we we
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: had some time to cool off, we're going to talk
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: about this, we're gonna hash it out, we're gonna shake hands,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: hug each other, hug it out, and then move on
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: with our lives. And actually, that to me is why
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: I was able to not to get super super deep,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: but that was sort of what prep primed me to
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: mend my relationship with my dad later. Is I knew
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: that I could either let this sit with me for
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: the rest of my life, or I could shake it
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: out with my dad. Right, So it's really cool. Yeah,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: like that that was my experience.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Ye that do you feel like that was Do you
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: think that you would have done it if if that
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: you would have mended your relationship with your dad, if
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: you didn't have that relationship with Josh or the other
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: guys in the band.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's my personality.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you seem like you seem like a very
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: even killed guy. That you seem like a very even
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: killed guy.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe it would have happened differently or sooner or later,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: but good. I mean, those were my formative years in
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And you know they say that
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: the youth is wasted on the young. Well, yeah, I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: literally got to live out my dream at age eighteen
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to you know, twenty four or whatever it was.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's an interesting Uh you know, I sort
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: of get that in a way because like right when
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: I graduated college, I got offered this like opportunity where
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I at the time I felt like, God, this is
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: like the dream opportunity, Like I can't imagine it get
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: getting any better than this, like knowing you know, looking
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: back now, it's been twelve years since a chariot broke up,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: and it's probably been closer to fifteen sixteen years since
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: you were a part of the chariot or when you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: first started the chariot, so it's been like over or
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: nearly half your life probably, Like looking back now, does
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: it feel still like, Okay, this was the dream and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: I did it for like four or five years, and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: now I'm just like now trying to figure out how
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: I can like move past and figure out another dream
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: or is it now like are you in a place
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: where it feels like, oh, like I have other dreams
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: that I am aspiring towards and I'm not having to
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: like look back like hunk Rico. They're like, oh yeah,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: but I could just go back to n Whole and Dynamite, right, Yeah,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious, what what when you think, Like, I'm
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: sure you're obviously super proud of the Chariot, but like
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: it can't be like at this point, it can't be
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: like the like, Oh.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: That's that's my dream to do that again.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's like every musician, you get the itch.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: After a few years of not you get the itch.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: That's when I started The Threats. Yeah, I mean it's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: it's I think I this earlier on in the podcast,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: but that it's hard to open this box of the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Chariot because I can't. There's it's never going to be
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the same, no matter how much I love the new
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: music I'm creating, is never going to be the Chariot.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know it's funny you say that,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: because I feel like The Threats is the most likely
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: and most like wise successor to the Chariot. There's been
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of bands that we've that Mason I like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: that have some similarities, but The Threats is the closest
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: thing that I've heard that gets kind of at that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: heart and soul of it.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: Well, it helps when you have three former band members from.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: The Chariot, certainly, and I think that's a big part
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: of it. But I know that I know that Brian
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: had some vocal issues and things like that that have
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: come up. Is is there any chance that we're gonna
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: see more Threats? Because it's truly one of my favorite
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: group of five songs from any band.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: It very well, it's like, for sure, top five EP
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: of all time for me.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: Same, wow, Wow, I still have my still I still
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: wear my Threats shirt all the time.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. So did y'all come to a show? Man?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I hope.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: I we never got to see a show.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Unfortunate Okay, yeah, I mean we didn't play very many shows.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: But uh, you will hear more from the Threats great,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: no doubt. Good and probably this year.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good to know.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, that that is great to know. So
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: we got to keep your number, handy, is what you're saying.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Please do yeah, call me anytime.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: But Brian's coming back as well.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Brian will be back, yeah, I mean he and I wrote.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: Is it Taylor playing bass? Sorry? What's his name?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Travis? Travis, Travis Sadler, Yeah, and John yep.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: John Johnny Boy. Yeah, we gotta, we gotta get you
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: guys back on because we want to we want to
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: talk to the threats. We want to blow it up
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: like we are such big fans.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah. So what happened was
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: we released that EP in twenty eighteen and then uh
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: we rode that out for a while and I think
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen we started writing some new tracks for
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: another record, and then COVID hit and it just delayed everything.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Well then, like Brian also like really messed up his voice.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: To mess up his voice. Yeah, yeah, that had a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: lot to do with it as well. That's exactly right.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I mean he had vocal pullups, and uh, you know,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: once you have those, it's like dislocating your arm, you're
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you're He's going to be at risk of doing it
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: even more easily the next time. So we have to
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: be careful still today, I mean he's comfortable. He obviously
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: does vocals for other projects just fine, but we have
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: to be careful this time around. It will be heavy.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a heavy record, whether or not
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: he's screaming as much is a different story. But the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: songs were writing are punk, they're fast, they're heavy.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you need to jump on the vocals too,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: is what you're saying.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe so maybe so fact check me on that first,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: because maybe I didn't do any vocals with the Chariot.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: Of the well you had to have on on I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: don't know, maybe like the city right.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: See, did you? I'm tone deaf, so I didn't want
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: to be a you know, part of anything that recorded. Yeah,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of melody in.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: There, barely. Yeah, but I give what you mean, I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: give you mean. Yeah, that just wasn't my thing.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I'll do a yell or a scream every once in
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: a while, but now I don't want to hear my voice.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Just like I said, I told y'all, I don't like
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: to hear my voice recorded.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: So I guess we only have two listeners that will
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: listen to this episode.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: That's okay.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Well, David, we we're just again like very indebted to
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: the Chariot. You know, you've been you know, whether.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: You knew it or not, you've been a part of
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: our lives for many, many years, and we're just really
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: really thankful for you to be a part of this.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: But uh, let's get into your top five most influential
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: album I know you have maybe.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Slightly prepared for this.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah, let's let's let's hear these top
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: five most influential albums. So the albums that maybe shaped
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: you as a person as a musician, shaped you in
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: However, however you want to think about it. But yeah,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: top five most Yeah, so Kennedy's life all right?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Oh was that the intro kicking it off? Okay? Oh
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: so this one was a no brainer. At the Drive
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: In Relationship of Command here, this is a lot that's
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: really okay.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love that album so much.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Latin roots, the drum syncopation, the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. It blew my mind the first time
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I heard it. That had to have been one of
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: the Like, obviously I listened to Zao as the first
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: heavy band in the scene, but Zao's kind of an
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: acquired taste in my mind relative to when you hear
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: at the Drive In. It's like top forties for a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: scene kid like, It's it's beautiful. The vocals and the
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: way the drums. That's what really inspired me from that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: album is the way the drums work with the vocals. Yeah,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: and that stuck with me obviously forever. That's my thing
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: is I want the drums to emphasize or work with
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: the vocals, so the way they Yeah, they did that record.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: I love that album. It's probably a top fifty album
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: for me of all time.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: One of my favorite fun facts is in at the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Drive In fact, and that is uh and maybe you
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: know this, David, but they played a festival in Australia
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: one year during kind of the height of their career,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: and it was kind of one of those things where
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: like super popular artists were like, I'm gonna I have
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: to watch that at the Drive In, have to watch
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: that at the driven And they played this show and
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: they destroy the stage. You know, it's just typical At
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: the Drive In kind of style. The stage that they
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: totally destroyed at this festival was owned by none other
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: than Guess the Wiggles.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, come on, I wanted them Guess that would have
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: been fun.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: That's amazing Wiggles the Wiggles. That's stage in Australia.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I just when I think of At the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Drive In, I just think of them destroying the Wiggles stage.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that is a great fact.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: We talked to somebody I can't remember who. It was,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: one of the dudes from north Land I think, and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: they said that the Wiggles actually owned tons of stages
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: and venues.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: Around Oh that yeah, that was the guy from North Leane,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: wasn't it.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: Anyways, just imagine the Wiggles.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: They probably Australian music industry.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like they're they're the capitalists of like
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: the music, the music capitalists of Australia.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: They're the Mickey mouse Australian music scene.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: That's all right, So that's number one.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, oh Converge you failed me.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you fail me that. Yeah.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: I know you thought I was gonna say, Jane Doe,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: weren't you right?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: Interesting?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: So the only my the reason is because when that
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: came out, when did that come out? Early two thousands?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Two thousand and three?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: Four?
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: That one was three? Maybe that was the one right
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: after Jane do I think right? I believe you Jane
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: Doe was two thousand and one. I bet it was
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: like three or four? I bet ye.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: So that that makes sense because that's when I was
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: starting to buy CDs, a lot of CDs, and.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: I was four, two thousand and four, so.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you. I went to Hot Topic or f
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Ye or Fries or wherever, and it was just the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: first Converge album I saw, and so I bought it.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: And man, that hand with the like drippy blood stuff
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: coming out of it, what a good album cover that's
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: as heavy.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: As I mean, that's what they're known for.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: I mean that's yeah, they're so iconic in the Yeah,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Jacob Bannon is just next level in terms of artwork
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: and aesthetic of of that band.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the drums on that record, I mean it
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: taught me that. Yeah.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: He fits so many drum hits in just like one
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: measure of a song. I couldn't I couldn't believe it
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: that that record changed my life for sure.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: And then someone they almost they almost like make he
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: or at least him in particular. He almost makes his
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: music seem like he's just trying to work out that
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: happens to be rhythmic enough where it turns into a song.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: But it really does seem like he's going so fast
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: that it's like this is gonna be like a CrossFit
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: workout or something for him.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that? The the the song name, song
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: titles are coming back to me, but eagles become vultures.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: That song, I think it's like a shit. It's one
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: of the shortest songs on the record, and man, it
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: hits so hard and the way it the breakdown at
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: the end. Yeah, one of my favorite songs.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's a great.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh again, credit where credits do? I'm sure this
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: comes up every lot. Oh God The Aftermath again another
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: record that I was like Primetime when I wanted to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: buy CDs. I actually I probably had my when that
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: came out, my learner's permit, but I still had, for
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, had to give my hand my dad a
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: note that said Norma Jean, Oh God the Aftermath, go
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: pick it up opening day when he probably had to
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: go a hot topic or something on the way home
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: from work. But I was like, Dad, you have to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: get this record for me so that when I get
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: home from school, I can pop it in my stereo
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: and just headbang forever.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: The dad going into hot topic and picking up Oh God,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: the Aftermath, Not your dad, not your dad either.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Oh I thought you were returning, but yeah, we were
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: still talking at that point, but yeah, uh yeah that
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: band Network the two kick drum hits right in uh
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: and then the video for it. I love, man, I'm
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: a sucker for videos that just show the band playing.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I know that's not most people like the concept, you know,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: a storyline, but I love quick cuts, the shaky frames,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the they meet, random shots coming up.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: All of those music videos were scary. Yeah, they were
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: legitimately scary. They almost like tried to like do some.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: Sort of horror genre with with those music videos. It was.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: It was really well done well.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: It reminded me of was it face Face on? Yeah,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: genre that had a video that I would watch. Yeah,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: that video like.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: For like like fast forward and then like fast reverse,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: kind of like stop motion almost kind of stuff. There's
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: like a cigarette that would burn and then we would
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: like it would be yeah, a full cigarette again, and
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: then guy doing a crab walk for some reason.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was music videos. Man, they don't make them
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: like they used to. I loved What was that? Another one?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: I would watch literally every single day. I'd I'd pull
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: it up right before I got on my Space or
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: you know whatever the program was for revealing say it again.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: Were you a Bibo user?
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: No, I wasn't. I don't think so. It sounds familiar,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: but my space was the thing I used. But anyways, uh,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: I think if you went to that every time I
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Die website, the landing page was the video for Logic
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: of Crocodiles. Yeah, and I wish it was still up
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: because i'd you know, it was like a it was
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: like a yellow background. You know that you create power
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: point and then the Logic of Crocodiles and that's just live.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: The only thing better than just recording a band playing
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: is the live footage of the band playing put to
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: the song. Yeah, and man, I'm just sucking. I'm a
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: sucker for that kind of thing. Yeah.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think we have ever gotten Oh
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: God as a top five.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think we have.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: At least once.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: I don't think we have. I mean, that is I
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: think that's the best normal Gene record.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, Redeemer is probably the one I listened to
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: the most. But you guys asked for what was the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: most influential, and it's definitely Oh God. The Aftermath?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: That fair? Fair?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: So yeah?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is that three or four that's three converge at
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: the Drive in Norma Jean, Fear Before the March of Flames,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: the Always Open Mouth. So that record came out when
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I was in that band, The Rain with Brian Taylor
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: and Travis Sadler, and so that's where he comes back
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: into play. Travis Sadler was in that band as well,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: and that's that's where we got our sort of experimental
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: thing going on. All the drum machines they use on
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: that record and the the vocoding, the vocal stuff they
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: did really changed the game for us, creatively expanded those
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: boundaries for us. And you'll hear that a lot on
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: the Threat and the threat stuff. So Fear Before the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: March of Flames, Always Open Mouth, that's a long record.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: I think there's sixteen tracks on it. Speaking of long records, yeah,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: I know, definitely time wise for sure. And then man,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: it's a toss up between Beloved's album and Uh, which
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: was what failure on? Yeah and Uh You Come Before
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: You Come Before You by poison the well, oh sheose wrong.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: You have got that one a lot. You better pick
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: the right one, though there.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Is I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Beloved.
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  Speaker 3: You are a man after my own heart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that again that that record came out.
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  Speaker 1: I oh, so this is a good story about tying
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: in the chariot with Beloved. Remember it was somewhere in Georgia,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: the Southeast. I don't know if it was a furnace
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: fest thing or a cornerstone did a Southeastern I actually
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: asked Josh, like, do you remember this show? And we
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure out which festival it was, but it was
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: somewhere close to where I lived because I wasn't traveling
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: a lot at that time before, you know, when I
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: was young to go to shows, and Beloved played on
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: a baseball field and the hardcore dancing was so intense
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: because we're kicking up dust everywhere we like. We called
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: him Joe Beloved, the drummer. He was wearing a bandana
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: over his face and it was just so fitting seeing
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: all these guys with bandanas on their face. It made
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: sense to what, you know, hardcore dancing the bandana over
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: your face was a thing, but it made sense on
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: a baseball field. Well, Norma Jean was supposed to play
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: that show, got they got a flat tire and I
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: went up to the merch booth and there was this
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: sign that said the Chariot, and I had never heard
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: of the Chariot, and I said, hey, is you know Gosh?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: They probably hated this, but I was like, hey, I'm
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: trying to see if Norma Jean's going to be here.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: And they were like, well, Norma Jean's not going to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: be here, but Josh Goggin is gonna be here with
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: a band called the Chariot. And he played the show.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: It was him and one other dude, it might have
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: been Brian Gray from the Satire playing drums, and it
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: was the wildest thing ever. I mean, I don't even
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: know that's this is a deep cut because it was
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: probably I don't even know if we would recognize the
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: songs he was playing.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: It's like a precursor to sixty eight. It's a two yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: And Brian Gray had the drummer. If it was Brian Gray,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: if my memory serves me, right, fact check me. Whoever's
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: back there. But he was his kick. He had a
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: second kick drum that was a cat scratch pull posts
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: and he rigged it. He rigged it with some sort
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: of you know, microphone or Roland trigger and it was
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: making you know, some weird noise when he would hit it,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that was that was a wild Yeah.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: That is wild.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm making all this up. It sounds made up.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: Cat scratch, How would you even do that?
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: The South? I feel like the South doesn't exist sometimes.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a mythical, bizarre, bizarre place
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Isn't it? Isn't it the land of enchantment? Isn't that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: Alabama Land of Enchantment?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know, But like the more I hear about
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: the South, I'm like, Okay, it kind of makes sense
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: why you all like figured out Moonshine at some point,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Because it's just like, at some point, y'all are going
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: to figure out some way to get what you want
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: out of something. Even if it means that you're not
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: going to have the right tools or right materials for
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: getting that right outcome, You'll figure it out one way
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: or another.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can be resourceful for sure, even or even
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: the experience.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: That's probably the more important part.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: We'll send this kid to Norway. He's played a few times, he'll.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: Figure it out.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: I love it, well, David, that's actually a kind of
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: an unbelievable list given you know it. Obviously you can
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: hear so much of like your own drumming in you know,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: from these albums, so it really it makes.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: A lot of sense. So I'm just like, dang, like
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: we listened to a lot of the same heavy music
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: to be honest.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good stuff.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: Really a big fan. Yeah, what do you want to plug?
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: So it sounds like maybe some new threat stuff sometime
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: this year, So yeah, what do you want to plug?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good plug. Definitely be on the lookout
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: for some New Threats stuff. I need to hit up
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Brian and say, hey, we need to get this done. Yeah,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: hold us accountable to that.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: Who did that?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: Who did the image the imagery last time? Was that Brian? Yeah?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: So Chris Stow he actually played in the rain with
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: us at one stage. So a good friend of ours
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: from high school. He needs to get still a good friend.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: He's just getting very good. He's very good.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: That was like the very first thing that Mason and
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: I both were like, okay, we're in We're going to
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: buy merch.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Even before we had heard Speechless.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry, we lost we lost you there
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: me Yeah, oh yeah, you want to repeat that story quick?
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: What part was, well, just we were talking about Stowe
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: and then you said something, Oh, I said.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: He needs to get rehired. For sure. What Mason and
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: I first said when we first saw any of the
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: threat stuff was this is this with artwork like this,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: It's going to be amazing. Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a bunch of merch so he was
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: very professional too. We thought he was just gonna throw
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: some stuff at us, but he had this whole like
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: look book and mood board, and we picked a like, uh,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: we have we actually have several of the threats logos,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: and we picked our favorite, our top five like favorites,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: and then went through a whole process to land on.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I think we got the we got the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: tea with the lightning bolts through it as one of
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: our logos, and then the threats written out in sort
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: of a old school mathra feeling or Ninja Turtles feeling,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: you know, mixed with horror film kind of thing going on.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was really fun. That was honestly what
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: made developing that EP so much fun. Outside of the music,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: it was just the artwork on it.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the whole esthetic, I mean, the music videos,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: this just the whole esthetic was really great.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: It was really well done.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, so expect more from the
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: threats this year. I've actually recorded a lot of the drums,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: so we're halfway there. Would you get the drums recorded?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: The rest just follows through and then, uh, I guess
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: that's my plug. I'll leave my plug at that look
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: out for the threats.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: Can I ask one more thing? What have you What
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: have you been doing? Uh, you know, like in since
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: the chariot?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Like what what?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: What do you do for a living?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, okay, so I'm happily married for nine years
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: to my wife Emma stay Away, and I've been working
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: at an accounting firm. So uh, all the way back
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: to the beginning. I did finish my degree. It was
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: an accounting degree after the chariot, and that was the
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: first thing I did. I went straight back to school,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: got my accounting degree, got a job at an accounting.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: I'll make that dad proud, right, Yeah, exactly.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: I I feel like I did. I mean, it was
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: obviously for me, but I did kill two birds with
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: one stone there, and I'm I'm happy to be where
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: I'm at. I'll never look back. I mean, it's it's
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: fun again reminiscing on the chariot. But I love my life.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: It's I can't believe you actually had time. We're recording
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: in mid February right now. I can't believe as an
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: accountant that you have time talk about the chariot.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, so another plug. We do bookkeeping for nonprofits.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: It's not the tax it's not the tax stuff.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: So if you're a nonprofit, but still I feel like bookkeeping,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: you're still it's still kind of a little stressful time.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: It's busy. January is busy that I think that's why
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: I told you, can we do this in February?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: Sure, so it makes sense. Do you ever find yourself
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: clacking away on the old uh, you know, old school
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: calculators and you know, putting together some chariot beats or
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: threats beed.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Just making beats while I'm you know, handling so much finances. No,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: but I'll throw on those those five records.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: Yea, I bet like I've been Signature fractions make a
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: little bit more sense.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Now, totally, totally. Yeah, yeah, I'm a math guy. Math guy,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 4: They need to make a calculator drum pad. That'd be fun.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they have it someone you probably like if
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: I've been like fifty three over seven and you're like, oh,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: like that that was?
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: That was not.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: Anyway?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: Uh, David? What else would you like to plug?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Well, if you go on Netflix, you'll find me in
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: a in an episode of a series. I'm not gonna
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I want you guys to go find it. I am
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: on No, No, I am in.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: Are you?
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Are you? Oh my goodness, are you in the Jeffrey
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: Dahmer series?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: No, but we should talk about the Rave the venue
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. Have you heard about?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: No, is that one of the places he would go to?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: Yes? Oh? Interesting?
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: But what what was?
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're you're not Are you saying that you're
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: not willing to share what episode or what the series?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: I just want to make it fun. Go see if
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: you can find me.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, what is it about that we could we could
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: find you?
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: Give us a genre?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Comedy? It's actually okay, I'll make it. I'll narrow it
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: even further. Stand up comedy, stand up?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, need bargotski.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: No, you seem like you seem like a Joe Rogan fan.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: I can tell.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: Total Joe Rogan dude right there, Okay, wait, so you're
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: like you physically are featured in it, or you're are
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: are you talked about in the stand up?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: Or like what what is? What's now?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: Know? You just see me, you see me in the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: front row?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you're just you're just watching.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we just got to go watch a whole
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: bunch of.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: No, that wasn't really a plug. I just thought you
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: wanted me to.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Say something like, I mean, fair enough. I mean, I
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: get especially if it's Joe Rogan. I can see why
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: you're not wanting to disclose who it is.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: But you know, I get it.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: There is a very famous video of me jamming out
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: to a band that is slightly unknown in Fargo, North
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Dakota in twenty eleven, and you can you can see
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: a very bald shaved head Mason and a what were
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: you having Probably a mullet at that point.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: I had a mullet at the time. No, I did
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: not have a mullet at the time. I was growing
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: up the mullet again.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. Well, if you want to equally
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: an equally important multimedia factor history, well that that's ours excellent.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that, I don't go on YouTube anymore
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: and and search my name or the Chariot.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I do that like every other week, so I like,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: I'll for the lack that you're doing, of that I'm doing,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: I'm making up for that, I'll be honest.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Mason is featured in a in a video that
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: has like over sixty six million views on it though,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: like he's.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, and it's with the Cheriot or not
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: a the Chariot, it's with Norman Jean.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'll go look that one up.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, go look that one up. It went viral.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: It's not on YouTube though, it's not on YouTube.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: It is on YouTube now, it's on YouTube shorts.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but where it went super viral is on Instagram.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Right right, I don't care. Yeah, So anyway, just put
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: it on YouTube just now.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: Click there you go.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Well, David, again, thank you so much for chatting with us. Again,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: Chariot is such an important band for both Colin and
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: I and so anytime that we can chat with anyone
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: from the Chariot, just knowing like how important this band
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: has been in our lives, it really means the world
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: to us. So thanks so much for chatting with us
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: about it. And yeah, we can't wait for new threat
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: stuff this year.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I can't wait to talk to
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: you guys again.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: Some mess on the stud change y'all right? From the
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: Drive that James the yod blic Some sing so.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: My son, a stud.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: Tang job from the Thriving that James me yup boice,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: some Tragon.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: Some mess on a stud