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When The Pro Wrestling Cameras Are Off Backstage Pass From David Sahadi · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 3: Friend?
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic, good man. I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Any party animal? Yes, I was party as a party
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  Speaker 2: animal last night, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Well were you doing last Sunner party animal?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: I was working on some videos and I to have
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  Speaker 3: a couple of cocktails on working on videos.
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  Speaker 2: They're making more creative.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I like working at night because there's no phone calls,
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  Speaker 3: There no distraction. This is no emails that are popping up,
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  Speaker 3: so you can just focus on creativity.
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  Speaker 1: That's so funny you say that, because my time in
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  Speaker 1: the studio, I will arrive in here you're at five
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  Speaker 1: to six o'clock in the morning, because you're right, you're
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  Speaker 1: all by yourself and your imagination is wide open and
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  Speaker 1: it wants to play like a child.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, so it seems like you're a creative person as well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're creative.
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  Speaker 3: You just want to be distracted once you're in that size.
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  Speaker 3: Don't distractions take you right out of that?
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  Speaker 2: They do?
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think it's an addiction. We've got to feed
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  Speaker 1: that monster. I mean, if we're gonna make it to lunch,
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  Speaker 1: we've got to have something that said I did something today.
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  Speaker 2: Well it's that. Yes, I also like creating things, So
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  Speaker 2: what are my problems if I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I'm the laptop after midnight and say I'm longer just
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  Speaker 3: found like a half an hour working on a package.
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  Speaker 3: I actually know it's five o'clock in the morning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because once I saw it, I can't stop. So it
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  Speaker 3: is an addiction in that way, but it's a it's
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  Speaker 3: a fun addiction. It's an adrenaline rush you becase you're
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  Speaker 3: creating something, you don't want to stop, and time just
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  Speaker 3: flies back so quickly at that time of night.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you were onto something when you came up with
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  Speaker 1: with backstage pass. I mean, it's tales from beyond the
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  Speaker 1: squared circle. The very fact that you said squared circle,
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  Speaker 1: you took me back to Billings, Montana, when Brett Hart
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  Speaker 1: was just a punk ass little teenager and we were
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  Speaker 1: all sitting there just calling him the greatest wrestler on
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  Speaker 1: the planet.
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  Speaker 3: He was a great wrestler. I don't like, I have
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  Speaker 3: a question for you. Why do we call it the
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  Speaker 3: square circle?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I want to know that. I just figured
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  Speaker 1: it was just wrestling's wrestling's way of saying that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this was our place, our signature, our brand, and nobody's
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  Speaker 1: ever told me that. So I hope you've got an answer.
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  Speaker 2: I think I do.
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  Speaker 3: It's a hypothesis, it's a theory, but I never knew
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  Speaker 3: until recently.
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  Speaker 2: I work for a real American freestyle right now with Eric.
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  Speaker 3: Bischoff, Yes, who is my direct boss and collaborator. I
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  Speaker 3: say collaborator because he likes to think of that way.
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  Speaker 3: He's my boss, but he likes to think that we
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  Speaker 3: know we work together. He's very respectful and in the
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  Speaker 3: Olympic freestyle wrestling, it is a circle.
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  Speaker 2: The wrestling and when you get pushed outside that circle.
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  Speaker 3: You get points for that, you know, you get points
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  Speaker 3: for takedowns and body signs as well. But that circle
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  Speaker 3: is in a square box that's around it, So that
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  Speaker 3: really is a circle inside the score. That really is
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  Speaker 3: a square circle. So I think that came into be
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  Speaker 3: from like the original solid wrestling back, you know, going
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  Speaker 3: back thousands of years, and I think about that time
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  Speaker 3: I was looking at the set, I'm like, wow, that's
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  Speaker 3: a circle within a square, you know, real American freestyle
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  Speaker 3: in the circle and the stars and there's a square.
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  Speaker 3: I guess that's where it's came from. Nobody knows, but
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  Speaker 3: we say it all the time. Yeah, because a wrestling
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  Speaker 3: ring is like a boxing ring. It's four sides, it's ropes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, why is that a circle? Why think it's
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  Speaker 3: square up like that? So I really think it came
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  Speaker 3: from freestyle wrestling way back in the diocee.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought it was hardly raised because there was
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  Speaker 1: one time Harley came to town and they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: the entire ring there. So Harley said, we're gonna put
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  Speaker 1: this squared circle on the floor, and they did and
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  Speaker 1: that and so from that point forward, in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: it was always the squared circle.
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  Speaker 2: But it was still a square. There's a circle and
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  Speaker 2: that square was there?
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  Speaker 1: So true? That is so damn true. What is this
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  Speaker 1: gonna be?
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  Speaker 3: Way?
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  Speaker 2: You might have been a portion that brought out to
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  Speaker 2: pro wrestling. Maybe the term came from him, Oh when
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  Speaker 2: you said that.
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  Speaker 1: Wow? And see now, I would be so afraid to
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  Speaker 1: go to a chat GPT to put that in there
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  Speaker 1: or ask Alexa because everything that they do is bent
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  Speaker 1: on somebody else's story. So I'm going with your word,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going with your book because I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: give us such an inst First of all, I want
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  Speaker 1: to know how you got permission to even do this book,
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  Speaker 1: because you you are letting us see the wizard behind
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  Speaker 1: the curtain.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's because it happened decades ago, you know,
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  Speaker 3: watch it C and ASF hop recently.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm not doing anything that's like giving Way company secrets, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And the publisher made sure that nothing I said in
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  Speaker 3: there is litigious because the already gets sued as well.
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  Speaker 3: Because when I first showed him my five semple chapters
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  Speaker 3: before they get a contract for the book, he goes,
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  Speaker 3: are you sure you want to do this? And I said, why.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, well, you need burning some bridges. I said,
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  Speaker 3: can I get sued? He goes, never want let me
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  Speaker 3: get suited, not know, liligious here because we'll get sued too.
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  Speaker 3: But you're burning some bridges that you won't go to
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  Speaker 3: cross back again. And I said, I don't care, because
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  Speaker 3: the bridges I'm burning, I don't want to cross back.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to go back to w B. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to ever be friends at the walk again.
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  Speaker 3: Because he was jerked to me and my father towards
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  Speaker 3: end there. You know, Hollywood got to him and it
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  Speaker 3: was sad to see that because some people had no success.
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  Speaker 3: Well others don't. But yeah, there's you know, most people
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  Speaker 3: don't write books of production.
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  Speaker 2: I think actually nobody has.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm the first one to be honest with
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  Speaker 3: you because they are afraid of losing their jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm not afraid to lose my jobs. I
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  Speaker 2: have security with Eric.
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  Speaker 3: I had security at TNA when I was writing this
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  Speaker 3: book a year ago. So I wasn't afraid to lose
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  Speaker 3: my job. Because when you're.
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  Speaker 2: When you're good, and I think I'm gonna get it
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  Speaker 2: what I did.
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  Speaker 3: That sound egotistical, but you know, you have a certain
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  Speaker 3: sense of creative freedom and liberty that you can say
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  Speaker 3: certain things as long as you're not giving away finishes
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  Speaker 3: and secrets and proprietary things that you shouldn't be saying there.
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  Speaker 2: And none of that is a book. It's all after
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  Speaker 2: the fact, not before the fact.
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  Speaker 1: See, and I've always looked at it as being wrestling
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  Speaker 1: is a transparency with their fans. That that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons why so many people, including myself, are so
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  Speaker 1: connected to pro wrestling, because you're not afraid to tell
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  Speaker 1: me the truth. And with a book like this, I'm going,
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  Speaker 1: this is exactly what I wanted when I would be
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  Speaker 1: watching Nip Bockwinkle or if I'd be watching vern Ganya.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm getting it now when I've got wrestlers, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, then, I'm going, do these people even know
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  Speaker 1: the early stages? And you know what they do when
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  Speaker 1: I sit down and talk to these modern day wrestlers,
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  Speaker 1: for the love of God, David, they know the history
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  Speaker 1: of this sport.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have my pride and the wrestlers they really
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  Speaker 3: care about about the genre, about the sport before I
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  Speaker 3: call that, about the performance, and about.
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  Speaker 2: The history of it. They all know the history of it.
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  Speaker 3: But here's one thing that I learned in the book,
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  Speaker 3: because it doesn't talk much about that, just talks about
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  Speaker 3: moments behind the cameras, you know, when nobody's really watching.
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  Speaker 2: But every superstory legend.
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  Speaker 3: And this is odd, but it's not up when we
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  Speaker 3: hear it, they all share the same common fear, and
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  Speaker 3: that's the fear becoming irrelevance.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, it's the even nature of it.
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  Speaker 3: Even the biggest stars fear that one day they will
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  Speaker 3: no longer matter. And that's why they're going to capture
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  Speaker 3: that book too.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's like how there are stars that get a spotlight
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  Speaker 3: and they handle it really well. Others, like you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Rocket Lake gets through his head and he just says,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he becomes you know, typical classical Hollywood guy
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  Speaker 3: where he's too big for everybody else, he's too good
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  Speaker 3: for everybody else. And then those guys, I'd never change
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  Speaker 3: the spotlight. They never get it, you know, a glimpse
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  Speaker 3: of that, and some handle it well and some don't,
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  Speaker 3: but they're all into their emotional human side. So the
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  Speaker 3: book is that really tell humanity as well, not just wrestling,
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  Speaker 3: just played out through the lens of wrestling and myself
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  Speaker 3: as well too. I learned a lot about myself as
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  Speaker 3: I was writing this book, how it changed how much
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  Speaker 3: I put into the business and how much of a
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  Speaker 3: business took academy, because it really does take a toll
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  Speaker 3: on you, on everybody on every level, especially production, because
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  Speaker 3: the athletes is with their bodies, but production, it's with
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  Speaker 3: the eighty hours a week that you're working and the
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  Speaker 3: mental and the creative drain that you get. And a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people don't realize that, but it really is
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  Speaker 3: taxing on your mind.
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  Speaker 1: Not so much you value I love your connection to
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  Speaker 1: basically putting us behind the scenes because many of us
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  Speaker 1: that are in the radio industry, because every every town
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  Speaker 1: has their own little wrestling community. And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Even even though Rick fl It has gone on to
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  Speaker 1: big national and global fame, he still came into my
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  Speaker 1: studio to produce commercials. And to this day I have
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  Speaker 1: those sessions and it's like, but to sit down with
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  Speaker 1: these wrestlers to see them as real fricking people. They're
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  Speaker 1: fresh off the road. They were in their cars, they
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  Speaker 1: were coming in to drop a track for for just
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  Speaker 1: something that was very small, but it doesn't matter. It
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  Speaker 1: was them in their real, honest to God and that
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's what I love about your book, Backstage Past.
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  Speaker 1: It is so authentic to those of us who love
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  Speaker 1: the sport.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm authentic too, and I want to keep
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  Speaker 3: it authentic. Is important thing to keep it authentic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, put hyping there, But just the reality of
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  Speaker 3: the things I experienced that when we weren't on TV,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that was not you know, tell lies that
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  Speaker 3: fans and never saw in the reality of it was so compelling.
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  Speaker 3: It was just amazing. It's like sometimes the stories behind
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  Speaker 3: the scenes are more more fun and interests, and there's
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  Speaker 3: nothing about wrestling in the production world and had the
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  Speaker 3: actual wrestles themselves. It's one of the most political environments
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  Speaker 3: I've ever worked in. And I've worked at NBC and
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  Speaker 3: working at Real American Freestyle right now, and Real American
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  Speaker 3: Freestyle is such a breath fresh hair. It's all these
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  Speaker 3: athletes work with each other. Nobody's vying for somebody's spot.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to compete and beat them professionally to get
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  Speaker 3: that spot, to get that RIF title or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But when they're not competing, they're helping each other.
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  Speaker 3: It's such an authentic bleed of athlete and it's the
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  Speaker 3: first company I've been in there where there's zero politics whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: NBC had them, but there's nothing here in RIF.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, this is to be true, but it
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  Speaker 3: is true at least seven months and it's true. And
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to say that when a great
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  Speaker 3: foundation for people who really care. We all feel as
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  Speaker 3: over like a family in this together because we started something.
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  Speaker 2: That nobody thought would work and now did it work.
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  Speaker 3: But we're setting like record numbers right now for a
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  Speaker 3: promotion that's only six months old.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with David Sahati coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of the book Backstage Pass Tales
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  Speaker 1: from Beyond the Squared Circle with author and sports fanatic
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  Speaker 1: David Sahati. Do you think I ain't that mean? Jean
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  Speaker 1: Oakland and Tony Schiavanni, they were trying their absolute best
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  Speaker 1: to give us that backstage action, but as the sport
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  Speaker 1: continued to grow into the decades, it's like, no, it
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  Speaker 1: needed to be more than just something that was set up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's something about mean Gene.
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  Speaker 3: I liked because he's believable and he's a salesman and
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  Speaker 3: I love the mean gene days. Yeah, I think it
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  Speaker 3: was great when we went behind the curtains for the
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  Speaker 3: first time, Jim the attachear because it was real, like
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  Speaker 3: there were times when we hadn't fight that would be
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  Speaker 3: happened backstage. And also it's going a cater and you'd
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  Speaker 3: see baby faces, you know, sitting next to.
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  Speaker 2: Heels or whatever, and they didn't know what the hell
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  Speaker 2: was going on. A lot of people don't know what
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  Speaker 2: the hell was going on because K favoring a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought would beginning the attitude or in the
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  Speaker 3: attear itself was fascinating because we were pushing beyond boundaries
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  Speaker 3: and personally, I have an interesting thing. I was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: inspired by both the man I was working for, Vince McMahon.
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  Speaker 2: He taught me everything's about emotion.
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  Speaker 3: And also my competitor, Eric Bischoff, I work with right
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  Speaker 3: now because we're trying to beat him, and Vince hated Eric.
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  Speaker 3: He wanted Abody in Troubles to hate Eric. Wwe you
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  Speaker 3: want all the rest to hate Eric Bischoff and they
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  Speaker 3: did because he was beating our asses at one point,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for eighty three weeks, not eight three consecutive,
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  Speaker 3: but eighty three weeks.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't hate that Eric.
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  Speaker 3: I actually respected the guy. I'm like, damn, I wish
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  Speaker 3: we were doing that stuff because he was a erent
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  Speaker 3: before we were. In a lot of ways, you can
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  Speaker 3: say he started the Attitude Era, not WWE. And actually
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  Speaker 3: here's the story for you.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the book.
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  Speaker 3: There is no real person who started Attitude Era. It
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  Speaker 3: wasn't like a plan, let's go this direction, let's do this,
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  Speaker 3: and it's all with the.
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  Speaker 2: Spot that I did. And you might remember the spot
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  Speaker 2: just by the opening lines.
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  Speaker 3: It goes, I know what you're thinking, I'm not really Natalte,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just the wrestler.
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  Speaker 2: Well I did this, I did that, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: And I just tagged that spot with the word attitude
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  Speaker 2: at the bottom of it. That's all.
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  Speaker 3: We're losing one and at Wars this time and that
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  Speaker 3: world resonated with everybody attitude. It wasn't the Attitude Era.
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  Speaker 3: I just put that word there, and it became the
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  Speaker 3: Editude Era. Because production is cutting edge your packages, we
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  Speaker 3: get the rights use commercial music like the Biscuit. The
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  Speaker 3: creative team started running edge or storylines and then every
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  Speaker 3: week we're just pushing you know, one another inside W
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  Speaker 3: and pushing the companies of pushing each other too. So
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  Speaker 3: it's a real legitimate war that was going on back then.
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  Speaker 3: I think what happened once WCW got killed off is
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  Speaker 3: that we kind of started to lose our edge because
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  Speaker 3: we didn't have a competitor, so they have to try
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  Speaker 3: so hard, and I loved trying hard. It's just like
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  Speaker 3: to me, there was a time about a year after
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  Speaker 3: where it became funt and pacete television.
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  Speaker 2: We were longly doing that, like you know, Shock TV.
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  Speaker 3: There was a moment for a wow that I've never
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  Speaker 3: seen that before, and I think the lack of competition
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  Speaker 3: during that time kind of hurt the product. And that's
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  Speaker 3: where we started use interest in that because we were
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  Speaker 3: also becoming PG since we were in corporate.
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  Speaker 2: And I love the edgy stuff, and when they were.
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  Speaker 3: Raining back my create motion, I can't, like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: push things there and say all right, it's just like
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  Speaker 3: I felt like I was back at NBC again, where
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  Speaker 3: you see one of everything done in conservative and everything
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  Speaker 3: did in Vanilla.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry that I don't like Vanilla.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with it. But if I meet Vanilla, gon
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  Speaker 3: be giving you a chocolate swirled vanilla. But I like flavors,
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  Speaker 3: I like color, I like things that are spicy. I
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  Speaker 3: don't like vanilla. And it sort of comes sanitized and
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  Speaker 3: cleansed and like everything we were not during the Attitude there,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what it became. And it's almost the point
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  Speaker 3: where couldn't watch anymore. And actually I don't watch it
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  Speaker 3: that much anymore. WWE that is, I like some of
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  Speaker 3: the smaller promotions because when you're part of a.
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  Speaker 2: Legitimate revolution, when you're losing your butts.
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  Speaker 3: Of WCW and you start the app, you like to
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  Speaker 3: fuse the Attitude era and the one that war was
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  Speaker 3: beginning me and it's like that's a real pivotal time
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  Speaker 3: when the entire industry changed, when the genre changed, how
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  Speaker 3: you presented the characters, how do you do a television?
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: Everything changed, and we became number one on us and
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: them for ten years. There was a point, Rick said
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: a meeting last week at Real American Freestyle.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: Where we were a threat to money in a football.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: Think about that on Monday nights.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Combined, I think WCW and WWE, we're getting a better
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: rating than when that football was And that just tells
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: you how popular we were back then. When we were
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: red hot and losing that edge, we lost our competition.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: I think really hurt the product for a while. Now
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: it's great. Now it's back, and now it's all glossy,
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: but you know, that edge is gone. I think even
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: today it looks great. It's great presentation, don't get me wrong,
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: but while it is, I think a million dollar budget
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: just produce that show every single week. And I'm just
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: talking about the production values, not the talent. But gee,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: here's it interestingly for you, do you know what it's
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: called raw?
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: I just assumed it was raw because we wanted to
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: see things live. We were addicted to live. We got
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Monday night football live. So therefore, if it was going
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: to be raw, it was going to give us that
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: edge where you know, we were going to get hard
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: hits in football, but not like professional wrestling. It was raw.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: It was gonna hit hard.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: I did the promotions for that. So those are the
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: words you said you brought into my promotions. But the
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: real reason is this.
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  Speaker 2: They had a.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: Sunday night show on for two hours on whatever network
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: around think as you was a network and they're getting
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: rid of that Sunday night show.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: It's like a live talk show or something. And raw
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: was a youth missum for low budgets. They couldn't afford
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: to do a live show really well, so we stripped down.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: You didn't have the entrances that you had on Superstars
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: at the time that was on the show or or challenge.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: It was just stripped down. It was raw.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: There were no special lighting effects, there was no great
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: entrances except the Undertaker.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: It was just raw. It was just wrestling.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: If you go back and look at the early year
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: in the Manhattan Center, there's no like lighting cues, there's
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: no pilot, there's nothing, just to come up a little
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: hallway with like, you know, the world raw around it,
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: not even neon lights or early DS.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was. It was a low budget.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: It was a youth mism for we're doing the show
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: cheap because we can't afford to do it right, and.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: So we spun it that way. It's like raw. I
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: think one of those lines I had that I think
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Was Marchman saying, it's raw, it's unedited on it's raw,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: it's unedited on something uncooked and they're like uncooked.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's raw.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: So we were putting spin on it that you know,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: this kura in your face, but it's just like a
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: high looking show like it is today.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I totally and I and
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I apologize for this, but I totally swiped that idea
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: from one of my podcasts, unplugged and totally uncut, because
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: that's what I was trying to create, was that raw
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: effect that I could screw up. I could sit there
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: and I could give people that that that feeling of
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this must be what it's really like
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to be in an interview. Yeah it's unplugged and totally uncut,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and you know darn good and well that's bullshit because
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: I I edit everything. But but I but I don't
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: want my listeners to know that.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Though, But you better cut this pot out.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I will. I'll put something in there.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Shots that I do as well too. You know, you
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: have a lot of takes there, and you have some
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: takes that stings. So I do writing as well. Except
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: when you direct a lot to the then you are
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: live and when you call a camera and it's not
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: the camera, it's like the whole world sees.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: That you missed a spot, but you missed a shot.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: So that happened early in my career, didn't happen later
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: in my career.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: But that's how you're learned. You learned by the mistakes. Wow,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: and then you make those mistakes anymore.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Well, you got to tell me who t TK is
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to assume. I mean, I mean,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: I just I just because you dedicate the book. And
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. I'm a sucker for dedications
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: because I want to know who, what, where, why, when
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and how? And man, let's give them the kudos they
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: deserve because they're in the book.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Well, the dedications to my father. My father author authored
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: thirty one books, and uh, yeah, you didn't get me
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a little sentimental right now, And I wrote five. I
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: won't say authored. My dad always had to say that
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: he authored thirty one books.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: They also published magazines like Pro Wrestling Illustrated, Pro Wrestling Scene,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Boxing Scene, Pro Football Scene. But you don't the thirty
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: one books. And you know, he was my best friend,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: of my mentor. I loved them more than anybody in life.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And it's tough to see him pass.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: And I was there for the last few months of
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: his life, and he died in my arms with my
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: sister you know there like that side.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: And it was just so sad. But yeah, give me
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: a con sid clogsent on. I do, but sure you
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: want me to cry. Uh So, It's like there are
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: two things he wanted.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: He wanted me to get one of my books officially published,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: you know, and I finally did. And he wanted me
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: to get back into real sports, and I am with
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: a little American freestyle and I did write Popoline and
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: the book is dead. Kid Dune the greatest mayor ever lived,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, the greatest father one could have.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: But he just couldn't make it long.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Enough to see it happened to see suddenly have his
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: first book published, and his very personal for me for
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: that reason, more sudden than be a person inside stories.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You know that you know Dad, yet I know you're.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Proud of God. You could do an entire book just
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: on that man. And if you if you go to
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Netflix or Hulu with his entire project Backstage Past, you've
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: got to do a story, one two hour episode on
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: just your dad, because there's a lot of us out
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: here that want to have that vibration that you had
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and still they.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Were talking about wrestling. Thank you, go ahead.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but you've got we've got to do
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a story on you, because obviously you're one of the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: story makers as well, and that you are, I would
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: love to see your life behind scenes.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Well, my life was inspired by my father. And my
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: father was a rock star. And I realize at the
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: time I'm growing up by his son. But I went
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: to like thirty Super Bowls with him, and everywhere he
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: went people would know him, you know, the the executives,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: the players, I met so many celemnities.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: For to me, that was like normal life. But my
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: dad was a rock star. I mean, offering thirty.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: One books, publishing book the magazines for thirty years, four
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: different magazines a month, and writing five or six articles
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: in each of those magazines.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, he worked his butt off for his kids, and.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: That's the reason why he didn't like do excess on himself.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: He was sitting for children.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Wow and man.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But to me it was just my dad.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize until I wrote my first book, which
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I still published.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: My dad my dying son.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: So about the sue and what a start he was
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and he was humble, and I carried myself that way
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: throughout my career as well. I think we had the
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: time cues up or something.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Wow, man, I'll tell you what. We got to get
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: back together again, and let's talk. And I want to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: please man, because I love where your heart is and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the world needs to know more about you.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the world things well, good people like you as well,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: and kindness is free sprinkled shit everywhere.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Let's talk against a longer time. I'd love to anytime
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you want to talk to you, that'd be great. Okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, sir, I will, and you have a wonderful, blessed day.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you,