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- 0:30Speaker 1: tuning in. Uh. Several of our listeners today will be
- 0:34Speaker 1: familiar with a little country called Germany. I'm kidding Germany
- 0:38Speaker 1: as a huge country. As of seventeen, Germany alone accounted
- 0:43Speaker 1: for twenty eight percent of the economy in the EU,
- 0:46Speaker 1: according to the International Monetary Fund. I'm ben hey, I'm
- 0:50Speaker 1: no remember that weird Al song the Ryer the Kaiser.
- 0:53Speaker 1: It was like a joke on the eye of the tiger.
- 0:57Speaker 1: That's all I got. You know, weird Al is such
- 1:01Speaker 1: a technically phenomenal musician. Have you see him? Whale on
- 1:06Speaker 1: an accordion? Absolutely shreds Those keys are flying everywhere. I
- 1:10Speaker 1: don't know how you must go through an accordion a day,
- 1:13Speaker 1: and you know who is shredding on the producer in today,
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- 2:37Speaker 1: my favorite son. Strong thumbs So, as you know, longtime listeners,
- 2:44Speaker 1: our show is based here in Atlanta, Georgia, which is
- 2:48Speaker 1: based here in these United States of ours. We mentioned
- 2:53Speaker 1: Germany at the top because today Germany is this incredibly powerful,
- 2:59Speaker 1: strong econo coomic, cultural, socio political force, and this was
- 3:06Speaker 1: not always the case. You see, Germany was kind of
- 3:11Speaker 1: late to the game of geopolitics. By the time the
- 3:15Speaker 1: nineteenth century came to close. It was sort of an
- 3:19Speaker 1: upstart in many other countries eyes because Germany, as we
- 3:24Speaker 1: know it really coalesces in eighteen seventy one when a
- 3:29Speaker 1: bunch of different provinces are unified at the end of
- 3:32Speaker 1: the Franco Prussian War, and at the time there was
- 3:36Speaker 1: this Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, and he adopted this policy
- 3:40Speaker 1: he called real politic. This meant what they wanted to
- 3:44Speaker 1: do through the pursuit of real politics was to kind
- 3:48Speaker 1: of make Germany the go to mediator for European affairs,
- 3:54Speaker 1: such that like, if France and Britain have a problem,
- 3:58Speaker 1: they will speak with Germany and Germany will help try
- 4:02Speaker 1: to solve it. But the weird thing is, soon after
- 4:06Speaker 1: a guy named Kaiser Wilhelm the Second took over the
- 4:11Speaker 1: nation change the tone became nationalistic, militarily aggressive, and they said,
- 4:20Speaker 1: you know, why be mediators when we can expand our
- 4:23Speaker 1: empire into a world power. And this is where our
- 4:27Speaker 1: story sort of takes place. Right like two decades before
- 4:30Speaker 1: World War One even began, the Kaiser had a plan
- 4:35Speaker 1: for the US. Yeah, the guy had a real priapism
- 4:38Speaker 1: for the for the United States. Here he was not uh,
- 4:41Speaker 1: he wanted it. He wanted to flex his superiority, or
- 4:47Speaker 1: in his mind, you know, what was superior. And he
- 4:50Speaker 1: did not like this thing called the Monroe Doctrine one bit,
- 4:54Speaker 1: which was a thing that we adopted that established us
- 4:57Speaker 1: as sort of a sort of world police almost like
- 5:00Speaker 1: I'm sort of standing in the way of UH colonization.
- 5:05Speaker 1: That would, you know, affect our relationship with other countries,
- 5:09Speaker 1: for example, like Germany had relationships with UH South American countries,
- 5:14Speaker 1: and we wanted to kind of stem the tide of
- 5:16Speaker 1: that stuff. And Wilhelm was like, who are you gonna say,
- 5:19Speaker 1: I'm Kaiser, Wilhelm, I have a golden I have a
- 5:21Speaker 1: golden horned helmet. You can tell me nothing. Yeah, it's true.
- 5:26Speaker 1: And this this is weird because it was a slow
- 5:29Speaker 1: burned situation way before World War One. The Kaiser thought,
- 5:34Speaker 1: you know, it's in the cards for Germany and the
- 5:38Speaker 1: United States to come into conflict, and it's not too
- 5:41Speaker 1: far down the road because we had already had as
- 5:45Speaker 1: you said, no, they had already been some budding of heads,
- 5:49Speaker 1: especially in eighteen eighty nine when the two countries were
- 5:54Speaker 1: fighting over control of the Samoan Islands, and Germany, as
- 5:58Speaker 1: you said, wanted to grow. Right, we had established that
- 6:02Speaker 1: it went from real politics to what it called velt
- 6:05Speaker 1: politic world politics, and so it needed to expand. But
- 6:10Speaker 1: as it was trying to expand, especially in the Far
- 6:13Speaker 1: East in the Pacific theater, it also found another country
- 6:19Speaker 1: trying to rapidly expand, that be in the US. This
- 6:22Speaker 1: kind of situation is something that you can play out
- 6:25Speaker 1: for yourself. If you have you know, six bucks and
- 6:28Speaker 1: hours of free time. You can pick up the game Civilization.
- 6:32Speaker 1: Are you aware of that? Have you ever played that?
- 6:33Speaker 1: It's sort of like the SIMS or sim City, but
- 6:36Speaker 1: with you know, countries, countries and world events. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 6:40Speaker 1: And you run into this idea of mutually conflicting expansionist
- 6:45Speaker 1: goals pretty often. And the other thing is, you know,
- 6:50Speaker 1: how okay, so we're pretty hesitant, and rightly so to
- 6:53Speaker 1: ascribe personal or emotional motivation to historical figures were not
- 6:58Speaker 1: in their heads. We don't know. We only know what
- 7:00Speaker 1: they wrote, or we only know what was written about
- 7:02Speaker 1: them or what they said, especially in the days before
- 7:05Speaker 1: widespread audio video capture. We do know, however, that Kaiser
- 7:11Speaker 1: Willhelm the second Uh really hated the US. It was like,
- 7:17Speaker 1: it's corrupt, it's decadent, democracy, capitalism, it's for the birds,
- 7:22Speaker 1: it's all gone to the dogs, and various other animal
- 7:26Speaker 1: related figures of speech. We we know this um through multiple,
- 7:33Speaker 1: multiple different accounts, and the Monroe doctrine, which had been
- 7:40Speaker 1: in place for a long time, I think half a century. Yeah, yeah,
- 7:43Speaker 1: the Monroe doctrine really really stuck. In the Kaiser's Crawl.
- 7:49Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wanted to say the Kaiser's Craw.
- 7:51Speaker 1: It feels like maybe it's the name of the beach
- 7:55Speaker 1: Cobrat Restaurants, Florida, perhaps a brand of margarine, the Kaisers,
- 8:00Speaker 1: the Kaisers, I don't know, I'm thinking Kroc. It's different
- 8:03Speaker 1: than kraw. Well, we could have a whole Kaiser line
- 8:05Speaker 1: and the Kaiser's Kroc, the Kaiser's Craw, the Kaiser's crab,
- 8:12Speaker 1: crab dip, the Kaiser's crab dip. Not the Kaiser's crabs.
- 8:16Speaker 1: That's a that's probably a medical condition. Go get it
- 8:18Speaker 1: checked out. So so what what happens. He's he's mad
- 8:23Speaker 1: about the Monroe doctrine. Well, he's in sense's sense, he's
- 8:28Speaker 1: thinking big though, right, UM. He wanted to essentially get
- 8:33Speaker 1: unfeathered access to the Pacific Ocean. UM. He wanted to
- 8:38Speaker 1: completely go against the Monroe doctrine and had all of
- 8:41Speaker 1: these very detailed military plans in place to establish a
- 8:45Speaker 1: naval base in the Caribbean in Cuba or possibly Puerto Rico,
- 8:50Speaker 1: and then that would give them access to South America,
- 8:53Speaker 1: Central America and the Panama Canal UM, which it was
- 8:57Speaker 1: hoping to take over once it was done being built.
- 9:00Speaker 1: It was still in the process of being built. You know.
- 9:02Speaker 1: He had big, big designs on the future, UM and
- 9:06Speaker 1: in order to do that, he needed to deal with
- 9:10Speaker 1: the United States. And there's a fantastic article from Gizmoto
- 9:14Speaker 1: called the Secret German Scheme to Invade America UM before
- 9:18Speaker 1: the First World War, and it outlines this story beautifully. Yes, yes,
- 9:23Speaker 1: you heard the line correctly there, folks. You see, will Helm,
- 9:27Speaker 1: while very aggressive, very bellicosts, belligerent, and agro as we
- 9:32Speaker 1: would say today. While he was all those things, he
- 9:35Speaker 1: was not a nincompoop. He was not a dunderhead. Right.
- 9:39Speaker 1: He knew that there had to be some sort of
- 9:44Speaker 1: plan addressing the US, because the US, like any other country,
- 9:48Speaker 1: would not be particularly happy with this foreign empire being
- 9:52Speaker 1: in their backyard, especially on what they considered already is
- 9:55Speaker 1: their domain. There the um, the place where they were Hedgemon's.
- 10:00Speaker 1: So he says to his military thinkers, he says, Okay,
- 10:04Speaker 1: let's let's sketch out plans for how to deal with
- 10:06Speaker 1: the US. Do we want to offer the money, No?
- 10:09Speaker 1: Do we want to uh seek their approval for this
- 10:13Speaker 1: naval base and then access to the Panama Canal, No,
- 10:17Speaker 1: So let's just figure out how to attack and invade
- 10:22Speaker 1: the United States. The US is big, right, It's much
- 10:25Speaker 1: larger than Germany. So we don't want to take over
- 10:28Speaker 1: the US. But we want to force them to bargain
- 10:33Speaker 1: with us. We want to get them to the point
- 10:35Speaker 1: where we make them an offer they can't refuse. This
- 10:42Speaker 1: information only came to light in two thousand two, when
- 10:47Speaker 1: some of these plans, of which there are three, you
- 10:49Speaker 1: gotta have options were uncovered at the German military archives
- 10:54Speaker 1: in Freiburg. So why don't we start with UM plan one,
- 10:58Speaker 1: which we will call attack in Blockade so UM. The
- 11:01Speaker 1: naval lieutenant Eberhard von mante Um in eighteen night helped
- 11:08Speaker 1: draft up this plan that would essentially UM have the
- 11:12Speaker 1: German Navy sailing across the Atlantic UM making laying waste
- 11:18Speaker 1: to the U. S. Navy forces in the Atlantic UM.
- 11:22Speaker 1: And then there would be a targeted artillery attacks against
- 11:27Speaker 1: some very key infrastructure points like the Newport News ship
- 11:31Speaker 1: Building Center and the Norfolk Naval Shipyard UM and also
- 11:36Speaker 1: uh an area in Virginia known as the Hampton Roads area,
- 11:39Speaker 1: which is another military strong point that was seen. These
- 11:43Speaker 1: were seen as being the weakest points are the most
- 11:45Speaker 1: sensitive spots to conquer by Lieutenant von mante Um. And
- 11:50Speaker 1: then once you know they've made quick work of the
- 11:53Speaker 1: American forces, they would send some folks outs to parlay.
- 11:58Speaker 1: Big problem with this plan. Huge problem. What's that they
- 12:01Speaker 1: didn't have any of this stuff. They didn't have enough
- 12:03Speaker 1: ships to pull this stuff off. I mean, you know,
- 12:06Speaker 1: like you said, I mean the Kaiser wasn't an idiot,
- 12:09Speaker 1: but his reach definitely exceeded his grasp and just about
- 12:12Speaker 1: all of these plans. We don't want to spoil the
- 12:13Speaker 1: fun equals of poetry. I like it there. Yeah, yeah, So,
- 12:17Speaker 1: as you said, there there are three plans. Plan one
- 12:21Speaker 1: has some operational problems, right, has some non starters, not
- 12:24Speaker 1: just the lack of naval units on the German side,
- 12:29Speaker 1: but the fact that post Spanish American War, the cribbing
- 12:34Speaker 1: is lousy with US ships they're all over the place.
- 12:37Speaker 1: So they make another plan, Plan two of three. This
- 12:40Speaker 1: is the land invasion. Did they make? Is the land
- 12:43Speaker 1: invasion more reasonable now? Is it? Uh? Is it like
- 12:48Speaker 1: a smaller scope plan? Absolutely not, It's crazier, it's even bigger.
- 12:52Speaker 1: The Kaiser says, okay, so the naval stuff is not
- 12:55Speaker 1: gonna work out in this eight. So he goes to
- 12:58Speaker 1: von Mante as you said, and he said, is this time,
- 13:02Speaker 1: give me a plan. Give me a scenario in which
- 13:05Speaker 1: we invade New York City and Boston will need and
- 13:10Speaker 1: the plan requires sixty warships. Remember again they don't have
- 13:15Speaker 1: very many ships. Uh, supply chain with sixty cargo and
- 13:19Speaker 1: troops ships carrying thousand tons of coal, hundred thousand soldiers
- 13:26Speaker 1: huge amount of artillery, and the invasion force would have
- 13:30Speaker 1: taken a little less than a month to cross the Atlantic.
- 13:34Speaker 1: It's twenty five days. You can you can read more
- 13:37Speaker 1: about this as well with some direct quotes on American
- 13:39Speaker 1: heritage dot com about the German plan to evade America.
- 13:43Speaker 1: The idea was that they would have this huge naval
- 13:46Speaker 1: battle and they would secure superiority over US ships and
- 13:51Speaker 1: naval forces, and then German troops would make an amphibious
- 13:55Speaker 1: landing at Cape Cod. From there they would go to Boston.
- 13:59Speaker 1: They would fire or artillery into the city, so they'd
- 14:02Speaker 1: be attacking civilians here. And for the attack on New York,
- 14:06Speaker 1: they would land at Sandy Hook, New Jersey, and warships
- 14:09Speaker 1: would fire at the harbor, going through Fort Hamilton's and Tompkins,
- 14:14Speaker 1: and then they would go to Manhattan and they would
- 14:16Speaker 1: try They were purposely going to target civilians to make
- 14:20Speaker 1: people panic, to make the authorities have to concentrate on
- 14:24Speaker 1: controlling and saving the civilian population as well as fighting
- 14:27Speaker 1: off these German forces. And then von Nantee was actually
- 14:33Speaker 1: kind of bullish on this one. He said, you know,
- 14:37Speaker 1: two to three battalions of infantry and just one battalion
- 14:40Speaker 1: of sappers should be efficient, and a sapper is a
- 14:45Speaker 1: term for a military engineer or combat engineer. So they'll
- 14:50Speaker 1: like lay mines, they'll prepare defenses. They're also specializing in
- 14:54Speaker 1: demolitions and breaching fortifications. Go, it was not aware of
- 14:58Speaker 1: this term. It's like lane sea essentially, doesn't it almost
- 15:01Speaker 1: sound like a term of abuse. Are sort of like
- 15:03Speaker 1: like a negative thing, like the old sap. Are you
- 15:06Speaker 1: it does? It does because we call people a sap.
- 15:10Speaker 1: So these two plans now are collectively called von Mantes
- 15:16Speaker 1: Winter Correspondence. If you use the right tone, winter Correspondence,
- 15:21Speaker 1: it sounds like it's the name of an outdated perfume,
- 15:25Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It sounds like Elizabeth Taylor's
- 15:28Speaker 1: new fragrance Winter Correspondence. Very formal though it is. It is,
- 15:32Speaker 1: it is. It's definitely not not the late night perfume
- 15:36Speaker 1: exactly now. It's like for the formal, you know. Indeed,
- 15:40Speaker 1: So this stuff, these plans were kept active, which means
- 15:45Speaker 1: they were still being considered and maybe tinkered with for
- 15:50Speaker 1: a for about ten years as Berlin kept trying to
- 15:53Speaker 1: expand its influence, and uh von Mante we know, continued
- 15:59Speaker 1: to think about this. Sure. Have we talked a little
- 16:01Speaker 1: bit about Count Alfred von Schliffen, No, not yet. Yeah,
- 16:04Speaker 1: he was the chief of Staff at the time, and
- 16:08Speaker 1: he considered these plans to be a series of fools errands. Right.
- 16:13Speaker 1: He thought that the idea of attacking a country three
- 16:18Speaker 1: thousand miles away it is possibly not the best idea.
- 16:22Speaker 1: I thought it was a terrible idea. Yeah. He literally
- 16:25Speaker 1: thought that it could become some kind of ship show.
- 16:28Speaker 1: Literally would be a ship show because there's ships involved.
- 16:30Speaker 1: To um. So here's the thing. We also have a
- 16:32Speaker 1: guy named Admiral Turpitz, who was considered the father of
- 16:36Speaker 1: the German navy. He was all about it, but he's
- 16:38Speaker 1: like a hawk, you know, which you would refer to
- 16:40Speaker 1: as a war He wanted to just like go out
- 16:42Speaker 1: there and show off his new toys. He had these
- 16:44Speaker 1: flotilla that they hadn't been able to deploy yet. This
- 16:46Speaker 1: is a great opportunity well, and it also could turn
- 16:49Speaker 1: into more funding for the fleet because see, this is
- 16:53Speaker 1: a thing that happens in every military. Of course, the
- 16:57Speaker 1: guy who's in charge of hammers one to find nails everywhere, right,
- 17:03Speaker 1: So if you're a hammer, every problem it's like a nail, right,
- 17:06Speaker 1: and this is an opportunity for the admiral to receive
- 17:10Speaker 1: more funding to build more ships, which gives him more power.
- 17:14Speaker 1: It's like the way Trump loves those invisible planes and right,
- 17:18Speaker 1: and he really wants to see them deployed. And von
- 17:20Speaker 1: Schlieflin he was still really loyal to the Kaiser. He
- 17:24Speaker 1: was his boy. So he didn't say anything. Yeah, he
- 17:28Speaker 1: didn't say anything. And at one at one very crucial point,
- 17:33Speaker 1: history hinges on this kind of stuff, folks. At one
- 17:36Speaker 1: crucial point, he was on the verge of ordering the
- 17:41Speaker 1: invasion of New York and then he stopped and he said, look,
- 17:45Speaker 1: the problem is, we just don't have the manpower for this, right. Uh.
- 17:51Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of people didn't even They
- 17:54Speaker 1: got so carried away, they got so in the bubble
- 17:56Speaker 1: that they didn't think of the implications of beginning this
- 18:01Speaker 1: much less actually carrying it out. And there's a great
- 18:03Speaker 1: article in the Guardian called German Archive reveals Kaiser's Plan
- 18:07Speaker 1: to Evade America by Kate Connolly, a journalists we've mentioned
- 18:11Speaker 1: before on this show, that breaks down some of the
- 18:14Speaker 1: blow by blow. Remember these are just the first two plans.
- 18:18Speaker 1: By nine, will Helm says, you know what, alright, alright, alright, alright, guys,
- 18:23Speaker 1: maybe I was getting a little hot under the collar.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Maybe we can't launch an invasion force from Germany, but
- 18:31Speaker 1: I still need that base in Cuba. And this leads
- 18:34Speaker 1: us to Plan three, Yeah, which is kind of a
- 18:36Speaker 1: mash shop, right, sort of a remix of the other
- 18:39Speaker 1: two that involves some some little tweaks. This was a
- 18:41Speaker 1: little bit more of a sensible kind of version of
- 18:43Speaker 1: the plan where they buy their time, they would establish
- 18:47Speaker 1: um a stronghold in Cuba, and uh, I don't know.
- 18:51Speaker 1: It kind of depended on sort of catching the attention
- 18:55Speaker 1: of the United States where it's like, oh man, they
- 18:57Speaker 1: mean business and now we're we're panicking. Um. That sort
- 19:00Speaker 1: of kills the element of surprise there. But uh, there's
- 19:04Speaker 1: will get into why none of these things were ever
- 19:07Speaker 1: going to happen. So all of these plans have a
- 19:16Speaker 1: couple of things in common. I would say maybe two
- 19:18Speaker 1: to three. First, it requires a massive build up of
- 19:22Speaker 1: German forces, right more than they have at the time,
- 19:26Speaker 1: and that build up has to occur in secret. That's
- 19:30Speaker 1: number one. Two, there can't be a big war in Europe,
- 19:35Speaker 1: a troubled, troubled continent that is pretty famous for having
- 19:41Speaker 1: at this time for having countries almost always a war
- 19:43Speaker 1: with one another totally. And then lastly they would have
- 19:46Speaker 1: to catch Uncle Sam by surprise. This is tough because
- 19:51Speaker 1: the US would likely, through its European allies, already be
- 19:56Speaker 1: very well aware of any German build up and probably
- 19:59Speaker 1: spend some manpower trying to figure out why they were
- 20:02Speaker 1: building up their forces. By the first decade of the
- 20:05Speaker 1: twenty century, we know that a lot of things started
- 20:09Speaker 1: going wrong. Germany witnessed a shift of domestic power in Europe.
- 20:16Speaker 1: France and Britain decided that they would grow up, so
- 20:19Speaker 1: now they're buddies, and they started shifting their forces elsewhere.
- 20:24Speaker 1: And then Germany wasn't able to get ahead of Britain
- 20:29Speaker 1: in the naval arms race. At the same time, well,
- 20:33Speaker 1: this is all happening in Europe. Can Currently, the US
- 20:37Speaker 1: begins to assert itself more in its sphere of influence
- 20:41Speaker 1: we talked about right the Caribbean, Central and South America. UH,
- 20:45Speaker 1: the US demonstrates a new variation on the Monroe doctrine,
- 20:50Speaker 1: something that people would call the Roosevelt corollary to the
- 20:54Speaker 1: Monroe doctrine. That's Theodore Roosevelt. Uh, And it's referring to
- 20:57Speaker 1: the time that the US sent naval forces to intervene
- 21:02Speaker 1: in the Venezuela Crisis of nineteen o two. The Roosevelt
- 21:06Speaker 1: corollary essentially states this that the US will intervene in
- 21:11Speaker 1: conflicts between European and Latin American countries. And this is
- 21:15Speaker 1: one of those policies that made the US what we
- 21:19Speaker 1: call a police power. Now. Just because these three plans
- 21:23Speaker 1: didn't work null, Uh, that doesn't mean Germany ever lost
- 21:27Speaker 1: its interest in, if not directly invading the US, seeing
- 21:32Speaker 1: it invaded. It kind of held onto that one, right,
- 21:35Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, Like as we established from the top
- 21:37Speaker 1: of the show, Um Kaiser Wilhelm was just you know,
- 21:41Speaker 1: he had a real bone to pick with everything about America.
- 21:45Speaker 1: I was gonna do whatever he could to either see
- 21:47Speaker 1: it fail, invade it personally, or just bad mouth that,
- 21:52Speaker 1: you know in his diaries. On a microcosmic level. It's
- 21:55Speaker 1: kind of like the way some people talk about their exes,
- 21:57Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's strange. And even during
- 22:00Speaker 1: World War One, just like a little more in ten
- 22:03Speaker 1: years later, Germany was talking to Mexico and saying, hey,
- 22:07Speaker 1: you know what you should do. You should invade the US.
- 22:10Speaker 1: That would be hilarious and it would be awesome, and
- 22:14Speaker 1: we can both agree that's a pretty snooty country, right.
- 22:17Speaker 1: The US learned about this proposal because of something called
- 22:21Speaker 1: the Zimmerman Telegram. But let's let's pause for a second, because,
- 22:25Speaker 1: as we said, none of these plans came to fruition.
- 22:29Speaker 1: But it does give us an interesting opportunity. There were
- 22:33Speaker 1: several close calls, and this allows us to speculate on
- 22:36Speaker 1: what might have happened. We know the Kaiser and his
- 22:41Speaker 1: administration were seriously planning this, and they put a lot
- 22:44Speaker 1: of thought into it. But would it have worked, What
- 22:48Speaker 1: would have happened if they tried at least? I mean,
- 22:51Speaker 1: it's hard to say. We know a little bit about
- 22:53Speaker 1: what might have happened, but we also know that Germany
- 22:56Speaker 1: just wasn't set up for this at all, like in
- 22:59Speaker 1: terms of sheer number of ships. And that's even if
- 23:02Speaker 1: they had some kind of you know, stronghold fortress, impenetrable
- 23:07Speaker 1: you know, base close enough to United States to actually
- 23:10Speaker 1: amass some forces. Um. But the thing is the US
- 23:14Speaker 1: probably would have known about that before they even met
- 23:17Speaker 1: on the field or the waters of battle. Right, we
- 23:21Speaker 1: just have this un mess with Herble Navy that you
- 23:26Speaker 1: just can't you can't really go up against unless you're
- 23:29Speaker 1: set up to do so. They just weren't. Plus it's
- 23:32Speaker 1: tough to cross an ocean in that with those numbers
- 23:36Speaker 1: in secret. And even if okay, even if they had
- 23:40Speaker 1: attacked let's say they weren't with the plan to attack
- 23:43Speaker 1: New York City in Boston. Theodore Roosevelt is president at
- 23:47Speaker 1: the time, and as as we know from previous episodes
- 23:51Speaker 1: on this president, he's not really a backdown guy. Right
- 23:55Speaker 1: he faces down Rhino's Big Game and so on. Not
- 23:58Speaker 1: only would he probably have refused to negotiate, Uh, it
- 24:03Speaker 1: also doesn't really matter who the president was at the time.
- 24:07Speaker 1: Just in the numbers of forces, the US would be
- 24:11Speaker 1: able to pull things together very quickly because it's a
- 24:14Speaker 1: it's a home game for them, But the German forces
- 24:18Speaker 1: would be at the mercy of supply chains and any
- 24:21Speaker 1: assistance they could get from third parties, whatever those might be. Right. Also,
- 24:26Speaker 1: this is an ugly truth if it lasted for any
- 24:30Speaker 1: long amount of time or met with any modicum of success.
- 24:33Speaker 1: Um in any fashion. Then it's quite possible that a
- 24:37Speaker 1: lot of German Americans would have been discriminated against, maybe
- 24:40Speaker 1: even placed in camps the way Japanese Americans were during
- 24:43Speaker 1: World War Two. It's very good that this didn't happen.
- 24:47Speaker 1: It's one of those close calls, just from from multiple angles.
- 24:53Speaker 1: It's very difficult to physically invade the US because of
- 24:57Speaker 1: the rise and information technology and what we call asymmetrical warfare.
- 25:03Speaker 1: The best and most popular way to invade the United
- 25:06Speaker 1: States now from within is from within, through through telecommunications
- 25:12Speaker 1: right and through you know bots, things like that, to
- 25:15Speaker 1: to mess with the mind, to gaslight the nation, rather
- 25:19Speaker 1: than to attack its harbor's physically. Uh. And that's that's
- 25:23Speaker 1: our story. If if Kaiser Wilhelm too had Twitter, who
- 25:26Speaker 1: knows what would be happening right now? He would be
- 25:29Speaker 1: tweeting up storms. I guarantee, don't you think I believe you?
- 25:32Speaker 1: Guys seem to really like to hear himself talking. He
- 25:34Speaker 1: was also a big fan of of wiener dogs, you
- 25:37Speaker 1: know that been Docksin's. They're called deaf tubes for badgers
- 25:42Speaker 1: and other bowering animals. That's right. Um. He actually was
- 25:46Speaker 1: eventually exiled from Germany because he was responsible, I mean
- 25:50Speaker 1: this kind of blustering nature that he had, Um was
- 25:54Speaker 1: responsible for steering Germany into the First World War. They
- 25:58Speaker 1: ended up being disastrously defeated in nineteen eighteen, and Um
- 26:04Speaker 1: he was kind of seen as the scapegoat, the fall
- 26:08Speaker 1: guy for that, and he was because he single handedly
- 26:10Speaker 1: pushed the country into that. Um. But he was actually
- 26:14Speaker 1: allowed to escape being charged with war crimes for a
- 26:18Speaker 1: lot of the German atrocities and was eventually exiled to
- 26:21Speaker 1: Holland where he lived in a you know, a modest
- 26:24Speaker 1: castle called hoss dorn Um where he kept several docsins Um.
- 26:31Speaker 1: He had Wattle, Hexel and senta Um and he had
- 26:35Speaker 1: a few others as well and had five of them
- 26:37Speaker 1: buried at this this modest castle where he lived in exile.
- 26:42Speaker 1: Um and those are the most famous ones that I
- 26:44Speaker 1: mentioned the names of. And Senta was always with him
- 26:48Speaker 1: when he was during during the war, and that is
- 26:51Speaker 1: what earned that creature an actual like a headstone with
- 26:55Speaker 1: a with a very sentimental um dedication. He also reminds
- 27:00Speaker 1: me of the Prussian King Frederick Wilhelm, the First of Prussia,
- 27:06Speaker 1: in that he had he had this weird military. I
- 27:10Speaker 1: hesitate to use the word, but he had a military fetish,
- 27:13Speaker 1: especially for uniforms. He was obsessed with them. Apparently he
- 27:17Speaker 1: thought dressing gowns were for WIMPs and milk toast types,
- 27:21Speaker 1: but he himself had more than four hundred military uniforms.
- 27:27Speaker 1: He was known to have them for every occasion. He
- 27:30Speaker 1: would have uniforms for going to parties, uniforms for eating out, uh,
- 27:35Speaker 1: some informal uniforms when he's just kind of doing his
- 27:38Speaker 1: version in Netflix and chill at home. He had uniforms
- 27:41Speaker 1: to greet other uniform people. And he also did really
- 27:46Speaker 1: we're not joking at the beginning there. He did have
- 27:48Speaker 1: a helmet of solid gold, and when he was informal receptions,
- 27:54Speaker 1: he would change his wardrobe like five or six times
- 27:57Speaker 1: in one night. And like, here's how here's how specific
- 28:02Speaker 1: and strange it was. And picture this description with a
- 28:06Speaker 1: bevy of of wiener dogs or badger death tubes running
- 28:09Speaker 1: around his ankles. Whenever he ate plumb pudding, he insisted
- 28:14Speaker 1: on dressing as a British admiral. He also wanted to
- 28:18Speaker 1: design his army's uniforms, but they were pretty horrible designs
- 28:24Speaker 1: like they didn't really fit the soldiers. Uh. They you
- 28:27Speaker 1: couldn't move around in them. They itched in the summer,
- 28:31Speaker 1: they weren't warm in the winter. But the big Daddy
- 28:34Speaker 1: of the army liked their style. So a lot of
- 28:39Speaker 1: us listening to today's episode are wondering about the timing.
- 28:44Speaker 1: Kaiser Wilhelm the Second was born in eighteen fifty nine
- 28:49Speaker 1: on the seven January, and he passed away in June four,
- 28:54Speaker 1: nineteen forty one. He was the last German Emperor and
- 28:58Speaker 1: King of Prussia. However, if you if you noticed the
- 29:02Speaker 1: timeline there, he was alive while Adolf Hitler was alive,
- 29:08Speaker 1: you know, after he had steered Germany in the World
- 29:10Speaker 1: War One. In Germany was defeated ninet eighteen, and he
- 29:13Speaker 1: was exiled in Holland, as as I believe you mentioned earlier,
- 29:17Speaker 1: not yet he lived in that he lived in that
- 29:20Speaker 1: small castle, but he kept his eyes on Germany. He
- 29:25Speaker 1: was writing his memoirs and blaming the First World War
- 29:28Speaker 1: on everyone except for one guy himself. And yeah, and
- 29:34Speaker 1: in nineteen forty he wrote a really weird telegram to
- 29:38Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler and said, congratulations, you have one using my troops,
- 29:43Speaker 1: and he was thinking he was like, all right, as
- 29:46Speaker 1: a good German, Hitler is going to restore my throne
- 29:49Speaker 1: right now. Hitler already was was on record as having
- 29:53Speaker 1: as not liking right at all. Right, he turned him down,
- 29:58Speaker 1: he said nope, and didn't get him a soft pass,
- 30:00Speaker 1: really just snubbed him. Kaiser was mad, and he said, okay,
- 30:05Speaker 1: don't send my body back to Germany until the monarchy
- 30:08Speaker 1: and the real rule of laws restored. And he said,
- 30:12Speaker 1: and also no Nazi stuff at my funeral. Yeah, they
- 30:15Speaker 1: did not honor those wishes whatsoever. His his estate was
- 30:21Speaker 1: absolutely covered with swastika's. Yeah, and there there ends the
- 30:27Speaker 1: story of Kaiser Wilhelm two's ill faded plan to invade
- 30:33Speaker 1: the United States. He did get a little bit of
- 30:35Speaker 1: a bone thrown to him, literally, his his own bones
- 30:38Speaker 1: were left there in a masoleum um in Holland rather
- 30:41Speaker 1: than returned back to Germany. So he got a little
- 30:44Speaker 1: song that he wanted, I guess. So. Yeah, but look,
- 30:47Speaker 1: if you look at the list of stuff, this guy
- 30:49Speaker 1: wanted a lot. He wanted a lot and didn't have
- 30:53Speaker 1: too much reciprocation. I think it was just so focused
- 30:56Speaker 1: on expanding his empire that he went a little bit
- 30:58Speaker 1: into mad king terry. Absolutely this thing I always wonder
- 31:01Speaker 1: about these kinds of monarchs, like is it all it's
- 31:04Speaker 1: all just for their own glory, Like it's not even
- 31:08Speaker 1: like even these plans were so poorly thought out, they
- 31:14Speaker 1: weren't realistic to achieve it was obviously does he was
- 31:17Speaker 1: just bluster and just wanting to kind of make himself
- 31:20Speaker 1: out to be some sort of you know, military genius
- 31:23Speaker 1: when his own military advisors are like, no, man, this
- 31:26Speaker 1: is this is not gonna work. He wanted to be
- 31:28Speaker 1: a conquering king. And the strange thing about conquering kings
- 31:32Speaker 1: or any kind of conquering, despot expansionist oriented leader is
- 31:37Speaker 1: that often they're they're piss poor maintainers of a kingdom
- 31:41Speaker 1: and empire or a country. You know, they spend so
- 31:44Speaker 1: much time focusing on growing stuff that they don't support
- 31:48Speaker 1: the people who already lived there, were already part of
- 31:52Speaker 1: their kingdom, their empire or their country. Yeah, that feels
- 31:54Speaker 1: like tales all as time. It's almost like, you know,
- 31:58Speaker 1: they're the least of of their concern. And so we
- 32:01Speaker 1: draw a close to today's episode, but not the show.
- 32:05Speaker 1: As we said at the beginning, let's check back in
- 32:08Speaker 1: with our guests. Super producer j J j J was
- 32:10Speaker 1: still thumbs up or thumbs down? Oh, thumbs up. Okay,
- 32:13Speaker 1: you're not thumbs upping the Kaiser's plan, are you? I
- 32:16Speaker 1: am not thumbs upping the Kaiser's plan. Not into that great,
- 32:21Speaker 1: that's j j uh. So Thank you so thanks so much, man,
- 32:24Speaker 1: seriously for for joining us on today's episode. Thanks as
- 32:28Speaker 1: always to our super producer Casey Pegram. Thanks to Alex Williams,
- 32:31Speaker 1: who composed our theme, um research associate Gabe Losier and
- 32:36Speaker 1: Ryan Barrish. Christopher Haciota is here in spirit as always.
- 32:40Speaker 1: Thanks of course to Eve's Jeff Coat, who recently finally
- 32:44Speaker 1: appeared on an episode of our show. Thanks for classing
- 32:47Speaker 1: it up their Eves uh And I don't want to
- 32:51Speaker 1: say thanks to the Kaiser, but I will say thanks
- 32:55Speaker 1: to everyone in the government at that time who kept
- 32:59Speaker 1: him from trying to invade the US. We'll see you
- 33:02Speaker 1: next time, Fooks. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio,
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