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Not a Reboot | Curse of Chucky · Potato Chip Pictures - A Podcast

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I thought it was a reboot and then the doll looks like crap.
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I'm like, so far this reboot sucks.
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Like it kind of. And honestly, what confirmed it
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was a reboot for me was the dumb family film that oh Barbie's
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like we're just getting started. I'm like, this is the most
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boring film watch ever. Like you're not done with the
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what? Watching random people at a
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family picnic? It was I was a little steamed at
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like, oh, this sucks. Which version did you watch?
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Just regular. I didn't know there was an
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unrated. OK.
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And it could have just been my copy, but when I hit play it
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said do you want the R rated or the unrated?
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And I said, let's go unrated, baby.
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We'll see how different our versions are.
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I I do know of 1 scene that and it, it's a scene that impacted
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my rating and so I, I now feel kind of bad.
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Like the ending. So like I also saw an ending
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credit with Jennifer Tilley getting a doll.
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Like is that what you think the scene is or?
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How far did it go for you? She I think I can't what she
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said, she says like a tagline and after she had slit the guy's
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throat because another one of them had gotten her Chucky doll
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back again. Of course it was Tiffany that
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did that originally, but this is Tiffany still in Jennifer
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Tilley's body. So I guess she did it twice the
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pay for a doll out of the evidence locker.
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I'm pretty sure that's as far as it went for me, she said.
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Some silly tagline. In mine, she then goes to
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deliver the doll in a package and we get to see where the
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package goes, like whose house it arrives at.
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Remind. Me 'cause I'm don't know if I
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saw that. It's Andy, adult Andy.
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So Chucky gets out of the He quietly emerges from the box,
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sees all these pictures from the 80s characters.
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No, no updated photos of anyone, just the 80s photos.
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And then it's Alex Vincent, who is talking to his mother, who is
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presumably out of the institution while Chucky's doing
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his thing. And then when Chucky turns
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around, Alex has a gun pointed at him and he says something.
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The Internet says he's he says something pretty explicit, but I
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remember him just saying hello, Chucky.
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And then it cuts. But.
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No, I don't remember that. Yeah.
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So that's a pretty significant thing to have only in the
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unrated version. Hey, I'm curious why you would
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really leave it out if I mean, I feel like it would be hard to
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predict that this this all works together.
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I don't know, I said not following Chucky even just like
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the what do you call them posters of the show.
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It doesn't look like Chucky specifically so it's like it all
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felt like to me. I reboot and it was pretty
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stinky one at the beginning and did not like it at all.
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Hello and welcome to Potato Chip Pictures, the movie franchise
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review Podcast. I am B Sammy Davis.
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Hello again. Hi, Justin.
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And today we are looking at 2013's Curse of Chucky.
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Justin, take it away. Well, let's see, I did the intro
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for 2004 and it's been 9 years since.
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My highest rate is Chucky, but everybody's back for directing,
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screen writing and producing except Corey Cienega.
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As the the last name suggests, it's pronounced.
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Who knows? He's no longer in the producer's
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spot. So it's just Don Mancini and
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David Kirschner running the show.
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And I mean, there's, oh, there's only one number that we have
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access to. 5 million is the suggested budget of the show.
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I think that I don't know, I feel like that's an
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underestimation because it it. For real.
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It looks better than 5 million I think.
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Absolutely. OK, I was like it it the acting
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may be a little bit more eh, until you finally get to the big
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reveal. Then it kind of was like, oh,
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this, this feels like Chucky versus someone that hates
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Chucky. Like, oh, awesome, we're back to
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we're back to a thing. So feels like under less than
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than what it I would imagine, but we don't have a return.
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If you were die hard Chucky, I think you probably would have
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seen this. Oh yeah, I saw a number for the
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first month of Blu-ray sales and that was $3,000,000.
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We don't see any numbers for VOD because when it initially
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released it was exclusively VOD and I don't think anyone had it
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for free. I think you you could only rent
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or buy. 2013 that makes sense. Like.
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Yeah. And then it was like a month
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later that Netflix or not Netflix, that DVD and Blu-ray
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came out and I've only seen Blu-ray for the first month at
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$3,000,000. They, they don't have to report
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these numbers. Like they frankly, they probably
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don't have to report the the box office return.
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They might just do that. I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't know why we ever get to
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hear about a movie that loses money.
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It would be so embarrassed. I mean, I had to rent it in
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order to watch it, so they got a little bit of that money back
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here. Yeah.
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But yeah, nine years in between, I again, I felt like I went into
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it thinking it was a reboot when it actually is not.
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I don't know you would call it a re emergence of Chucky since
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it's the same team. It's just the next iteration of
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the franchise. It is our Australian James Bond.
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I mean it really does feel like a total franchise reboot, except
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as I mentioned in the the pre music stuff in the unrated
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version there is a pretty obvious call back to the
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original. I mean you.
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Get at the beginning of him like just the end.
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No, the very, yeah, the very end.
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Very well, second-half of the movie you get Scarface, Chucky.
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And so that's the call back to the noun of Chucky 2 movies.
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But then you also get Jennifer Tilly in both versions of the
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movie. And then in the unrated version
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you get Andy returning as an adult.
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I would not expect to that like, I don't know, like see the
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Chucky had nothing to do with Andy and I think that was fine.
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I was my highest rated one. I might continue to harp on
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that, but I it was better. And this one out of the gate
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suffered from, Oh yeah, being just a little, I don't know
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what's the word. Slow is going to be the word
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that I say. Slow but also didn't the the,
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what would you call it? The they cleaned up Chucky his
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his disguise didn't for obvious reasons, didn't show any like of
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the cleanup lines. So you couldn't see where he
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filled in the scars because it was just a different doll.
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And I, I was going to say he does look legitimately
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different. Yeah, he is not the same doll.
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Yeah, until he peels his face off, which is like, OK, so you
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movie magic doll that because it was a a complete doll, it wasn't
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covered over. So it I I kept thinking this is
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not Chucky. It's like these people are stuck
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in the house. Their mother died.
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So I did kind of like rewatch a bit of the beginning after
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finishing it and the the big positive of all of the beginning
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is the fact that it pays off when Chucky reveals he is in
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that film. I thought like that to me the
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what you call it the the home film that has Brad Dwarf in it
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looks not like him enough that I started being concerned like
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this is a different Charles Lee Ray like this is got to be a
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reboot. So I'm I'm stuck in my brain
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like well, they even got a different main bad guy to be
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Chucky. So I I.
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I definitely could recognize Brad Dourif, but I, I will say I
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thought it was digital de aging and I was shocked to learn that
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it was a mixture of lighting and makeup and just in camera
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techniques to make him look younger.
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But I, I, I did think I was like, oh, they, they probably
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did a little bit of Tron on him to kind of make him look
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younger. So I did not appreciate the
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callbacks that they put in front of us for when Chucky reveals he
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tortured. Oh, I've lost Nika's mom and
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painted her all these flowers that she's still painting them
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like what? Once you get to the reveal and
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they're like 3/4 through, it felt like a ball dropped her,
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like like something crashed out of my this is a reboot to oh,
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wait, it's it's still Chucky, Chucky.
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It's still everything. So that first half of the film
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just had a poor expectation, I guess on my part.
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But man did they make it hard for me to think it was going to
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be an actual continuation. I also thought that we were in
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full reboot territory for most of the beginning of the movie
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and I I will agree that it was the reveal of Brad Dourif, but I
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don't even know if it was the reveal of Brad Dourif.
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I think I was still believing we were in reboot territory until
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Nika played by Fiona Dourif when she was on the Internet and we
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finally saw some of the names from the originals.
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Then I was like, OK, so this is a continuation, but I would have
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fully accepted a reboot. I would have been totally fine
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with Brand new Chucky, even played by Brad Dourif.
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Yeah. In terms of the time span, yeah,
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nine years later, like I would expect a new James Bond.
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Sure. Yeah, I was.
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I was just glad to hear the voice of Chucky.
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But yeah, I didn't think that this was the same Chucky until
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we finally got the reveal from the computer where they were
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like all these families and these names that we saw, they
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were part of this, too. Well, that first half it, yeah,
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it doesn't have much that I really enjoyed the subplot.
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I know Chucky's usually not giving the subplots, the side
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plots, a a stage to do anything, but there's whole divorce
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tension, affair tension. And it's like, OK, like, OK,
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that's that's your guys's deal. I'm concerned.
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Who's Chucky going to kill next? And do we know that Chucky's
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doing it yet again? We get a kid that knows the kid,
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the doll's alive dolls swearing at the kid like all of her lines
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were perfectly, I don't know, written to sound like, Oh,
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that's that's understandable as a like the kid is saying this as
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a game. I found Chucky.
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Oh, you guys found Chucky and it's it when he gets found in
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all these places, it still works in terms of oh, like we'll go
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along with the game and nobody's concerned so.
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I think my only real beef with the beginning and it is in line
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with what you're talking about, the human story not always being
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the best part of these movies. Similar to the Godzilla
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franchise. Who cares about the humans?
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Oh yeah, we just want to get to the kills.
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Godzilla. In this one, there's this family
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tension where Sarah clearly wants to put Nika into a home
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and she's even bringing a Catholic priest along.
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Like there's a lot of tension and I was more feeling
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embarrassed. It's just like, wow.
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Like, why do we? Why are we in this?
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I don't want to listen to some family try to guilt this woman
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into a home. Yep, like at least the kids
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running off to get married was like this is the equivalent of
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the other people in the newlywed suite showing up.
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Like, no, I don't really care about these icky people.
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Yeah, Although I will say I did like the twist with the nanny,
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Jill, I think where we're thinking that Ian is the one
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who's, Oh yeah, having the affair 'cause he just always
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wants to be around her and he's always ogling her.
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And then we find out, no, it was the mom, it was Sarah the whole
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time. Oh man, I thought that was
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hilarious. I loved it.
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I. I was surprised.
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I thought it was funny. I feel like it was a a good
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twist. It did from that point feel like
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a little bit the plot came came a little bit more together.
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I was like, oh, still like, why is Chucky here?
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He's here with them, and they're kind of doing their own thing.
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Granted, they don't know the dolls alive.
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They don't know they're in danger.
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Yeah, Yeah. But.
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Just living their life while this doll keeps disappearing.
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He'll start killing it. Like, OK, let's get on board.
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It takes a long time before the 1st kill and it's not even a
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Chucky kill technically like so the first kill of well the first
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kill of the movie is Barb with getting pushed off of the ledge
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and. Well the mom gets stabbed and
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Chucky shows up. Is that Barb?
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I thought Barb. Isn't that Barb?
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Barb Barb is the the the affair. Oh, then is Sarah the?
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Mom. Yes, yes.
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I had them confused. I thought when he was saying
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Barbie he was talking about the the sister.
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I would Barb and Barbie don't really go in my brain together
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as the same person because I'm like, oh, the later when I read
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the the names like oh, OK, so Barb is Barbie.
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OK, so we've got Sarah, who gets pushed at the beginning of the
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movie, kind of an abusive relationship where Nika's
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getting flirted on with the delivery driver and the mom puts
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her down immediately. And so I, you know, didn't feel
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all that much remorse when she was pushed off the ledge and and
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murdered. But, you know, the first awkward
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night ends with a dinner that Nika cooks and Chucky adds rat
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poison to one dish. And it becomes, you know,
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probably the best part of this early movie was watching
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everyone eating and wondering, who's going to get the rat.
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Poisoned. It's so gross though.
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I can't really handle mouth noises and video of them
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slurping and I'm like, this is doesn't make me sick to my
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stomach but it makes me like I want to be to the next scene.
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But I know someone has to be poisoned and everybody has a
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possible reaction to the poison. Oh.
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Yeah, but so many people react, except for Barb, who's so rude.
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Is this vegetarian or is it meat sauce?
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It's fine. It could be better.
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Like she did her best. Don't patronize her.
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Oh my gosh. And then am I right to assume
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that it was Father Frank who got the rat poison?
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That's why he excused himself, because he was feeling sick.
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No, actually, of course it was. That's the on the Arabian top.
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Well, and that's because much later in the movie there there's
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this moment where Fiona is getting yelled at by Barb, and
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then she starts to like Convulse, like she's going to
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throw up. And at that moment I was like,
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wait, did Nika get the rat poison?
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Yeah, didn't quite all. Some of the bits at the end were
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confusing. Yeah, but OK, so father, Father
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Frank excuses himself, presumably to go die from rat
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poisoning. But no, that's not what kills
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him. He gets in a car crash, probably
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from swerving from being poisoned and decapitated in a
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like oh, he's still talking even though like, the car hood is
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keeping them together. Let's remove it so he falls
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apart. Yeah.
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OK, that's that's feels. Standard horror movie.
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What do you call it? Stakes.
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I think it was The Omen that had a Catholic priest getting
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decapitated at one point. And so every time I see a
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Catholic priest getting decapitated, I think of a a 70s
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movie with a a pane of glass. I haven't seen that one.
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Well, it's a franchise, so we may have to get to that one at
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some point. Just do comedy franchises.
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Well, we we can also do spy franchises.
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Yeah, yeah, he dies. I I point it as being from
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Chucky. Sure, but technically he could
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have just died and we wouldn't have known it.
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The decapitation is not planned by Chucky.
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Yeah, and we don't even get to see the car crash like we we
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see. Well, at least I saw it from the
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perspective of the cop showing up after the fact.
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If we go with $5,000,000, then OK.
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Yeah, that's true. That's the aftermath.
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That's TrueCar crashes are expensive.
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That's that's a very expensive way to, to do something with
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money or do something on film. So showing, you know, an
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aftermath, you just have, you just have to have a busted up
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car. Just stick an actor in a busted
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up car. That's all you got to do.
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They're supposed to act. Yeah.
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Their job and. This guy acted really good with
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his head falling off. That maybe is the best part of
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the beginning, like. Mm, hmm.
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Yeah, because after that we go back to family tension because
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the family, of course, does not know that Father Frank is dead.
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So they're back to their squabbling, but Chucky starts
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going missing and like, Nika starts to get a little
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suspicious. But we're, for the most part,
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we're back to the boring family drama.
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Yeah, and it that's where like the current family drama is
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boring. The mom related and Nikka
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related family drama that is unrevealed yet is like, oh, this
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is some prequel lore. OK, I I've committed to watching
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Chucky and I've grown to appreciate the callbacks.
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Like oh, so the cops come to get him?
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Is this why he was being chased by the cops right then?
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Maybe. Probably.
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I hadn't even thought about that because.
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He does. Yeah, and he suggests that it
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was like after he failed to kill the mom that that he was caught.
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So you're absolutely right. This is right before the events
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of Child's Play. Yeah, and that that made it
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what, like blew my mind. I was like, OK, so Charles
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Chuckies, we know for five movies that he's insane, but now
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we get to see him as pre Chucky being like, I don't know what
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you call it, kidnapper and. Calculating maybe?
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I I I kind of got Jarred by the funeral that is for Nika's dad,
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I think. And then immediately after,
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Sarah is like, tied to a bed and like, all these pictures around
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him. I didn't quite follow from the
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funeral to that. Yeah.
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But I was OK with it being prequel, like, OK, just give us
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the highlights of why. OK.
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So Chucky's coming to kill this family because they were the
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family that he was obsessed with as neighbors like.
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And presumably he had been a serial killer before that, so he
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had been doing jobs. But yeah, this, we learned that
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that he had been staking out this family.
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He killed the dad. He wanted to move in as the dad.
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But in a weird, like, serial killer way.
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Yeah, it was. It's very, very interesting
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stuff contrasted by mostly boring stuff.
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Yeah, that's what yeah, the other family stuff is boring and
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really just a pretense to have one more person that can die.
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So we family still doesn't know Chucky's doing this but.
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They care about, I'm going to say when night falls and after
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we've had our last big. So the, the the movie takes a
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turn for me after the elevator breaks down and Nika gets
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stabbed by Chucky or has, yeah, either stabbed or cut by Chucky.
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But because she doesn't feel it, like it's just another tension
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point where people are accusing her of not being able to live on
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her own. But then that then we get the
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reveal of the affair. Or maybe right before we get the
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reveal of the affair, the affair is coming up, which means we're
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getting the argument between Ian and Sarah.
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And we hear that Ian has planted that, he's planted a camera on
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Chucky. And so this whole time we've had
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a perspective from Chucky that we just don't know about yet.
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I think he waited after he started watching it and didn't
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immediately be like, oh, this camera's moving around.
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Yeah, like from 10 seconds in. The camera's moving around,
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dude, like. Shaggy didn't wait.
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He didn't seem to care. Yeah, if I like he would have
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noticed the camera. I don't know like I assume so,
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but. I mean, he's been around for
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close to well over 20 years as a doll.
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Maybe he doesn't know about technology.
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Possibly. I think our second kill is the
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nanny. Yes.
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Although we're led to believe that Alice is taken during the
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storm. I did wonder if she was alive or
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dead. I was like, she's not in the
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bed, but she's also not moving while Chucky's staring at the
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door like she could and I don't think.
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We're going to see her. I don't think we're going to see
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her until the very end of the, well, I guess we see her at one
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point. Yeah.
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But then it's going to be the very end of the movie when we
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see her again. She's surprisingly great in this
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movie and barely in it. Yeah.
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She did a good job. I I enjoyed the ending where
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she's kind of just chatting with Chucky because hey, she's a kid.
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She didn't actually witness the murder murders.
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She didn't see a single one. Yeah, you're right.
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So she's just like, oh, it's a talking doll.
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This is awesome. Like.
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Yeah. So there's up a storm, but you
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know, maybe your dad does too. Exactly.
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That's just a quirk of this magical doll.
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And like, it's just cool that you got a doll that can walk and
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talk and think for itself. And she doesn't know about the
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murders, but there's a a sexy call with with Sarah.
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And I was sitting here thinking, all right, This is why we go
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with the unrated version, baby. Negative.
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And then there's nothing which. I think is fine because the the
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the R rating from the last one felt more like a let's just go
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all out with Chucky and do everything $5,000,000.
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It might be more difficult to do everything.
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We'll have boobs, we'll have face melting, we'll have
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swearing, we'll have it all. Only if we have the money to
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back it up, yes. But I am going to say I kind of
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enjoyed Jill's kill. It reminded me of the doctor in
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Child's Play. I was like, here goes Chucky
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electrocuting people again. I had to remember that guy.
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Yeah, I because I expected to see her face burning up a little
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bit and it was a little less crazy, but it it still looked
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OK. I did read that that was cut for
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you on the R rated because I got I was surprised that her eyeball
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didn't fall out because her face was burned so much on the right
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side that it I genuinely thought the eyeball was going to pop
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out. I mean it.
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Burned a little bit from the one I watched.
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So like like around the IT like it.
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Burned almost to the bone, like, and that's just one of those
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things where like that's a mild difference.
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Another one was Father Frank. Apparently you didn't get to see
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a blood spurt come out of his neck after his head fell off.
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Maybe I. Mean I saw blood.
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Like an anime style? No, a little bit, yeah.
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So that's that. And then there's going to be one
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more kill that we're going to get to where you're going to get
30:43
a less gruesome version than I got, and that might know.
30:49
Is it the next one? I'm trying to remember who.
30:52
The eyeball is stabbed out and the eyeball falls down the
30:54
stairs. She falls down the stairs,
30:56
Chucky into the stepping on the eyeball.
30:59
Yeah, so, but I got to see the knife go into her eyeball.
31:05
Negative. No.
31:07
Kind of just screamed, which seemed appropriate.
31:09
Like it's one of the cutaway kills.
31:11
Sure. I I don't think they needed the
31:16
more gruesome version here. Like I don't, I don't want to
31:19
suddenly sound like a prude. I just don't think it looked
31:22
very good. It looked a little bit digital,
31:26
like computer graphics, whereas I think the back of the head,
31:31
having her get stabbed and you don't get to see what goes in.
31:36
I think that would be more effective.
31:38
I think that would be a better slasher movie kill than the CG
31:43
knife that I got to watch. I could.
31:46
I could understand that. Yeah, but yeah, you're right.
31:51
She gets tossed down the stairs after Nika is trying to crawl up
31:56
the stairs. Like Oh my gosh Nika, she is
32:00
such an awesome last girl. For this I it seemed it seemed
32:11
really nice that she was fighting to get up the stairs.
32:13
You know, take care of and look and check on stuff.
32:16
I love what she takes the turn of knowing Chucky's alive and
32:22
just mocking him for taking. 20 years.
32:25
To kill her mom. I was I I fell for it.
32:29
Then I was like, OK, she. Well this is also where she
32:33
mocks him for not finishing Andy.
32:37
She's like, do you have like completion anxiety because you
32:42
couldn't finish off Andy? You get so bad, I love it.
32:46
Yeah, I was really into Nika. I guess last girl is the wrong
32:51
word. I think it's final girl in
32:52
horror movies. She's wonderful.
32:57
Oh my gosh, she's so powerful and like, able to, you know,
33:03
really get under Chucky's skin, his plastic skin, and she's got
33:09
a literal handicap. She is in a chair, but that's
33:13
not going to stop her. She's going to crawl up those
33:16
stairs, whether it's to the attic or whether it's from the
33:20
ground floor back up like she is in this fight.
33:25
I love her for it. I love after the cop comes to
33:32
save the day and she's in the courtroom condemned to prison
33:36
time. Well, we, we can't get to that.
33:41
No, can't get to that yet because there's one more person
33:43
we jump all over. The place, but what was the
33:45
problem? I know, but I need to.
33:48
But so that's the very end of the movie, I know.
33:52
I I just like it because talking about Nika, I I didn't love her
33:57
immediately. And then when she's, I feel like
34:01
it's being resigned to maybe dying from Chucky.
34:05
Like, why not? Yeah.
34:07
Curse his name. Yeah, that's a good point.
34:10
She's like, this is a killer doll.
34:13
Like, if this is my last night on earth, I'm not going to go
34:18
out like a punk. I'm going to go out, you know,
34:22
screaming and making noise and being a problem and good honor
34:28
for that. Who's the other person?
34:31
Ian, he's been sleeping with earplugs this whole time.
34:35
I grant that the. Plot gave him a reason to, I
34:38
appreciate that. And so when Nika goes to wake
34:44
him up, he naturally does not believe any of this.
34:50
Everybody's dead. I.
34:52
You're the only person alive. Exactly.
34:55
And dolls don't kill people. I've said that every single
34:59
movie in this franchise. Why?
35:02
Would they come on they? Just look.
35:05
Super creepy, yes. It's not a problem to look super
35:09
creepy. And he also doesn't even blink
35:12
an eye at the fact that now the doll has scars on its face.
35:17
He is unbothered by anything that's outside of the realm of
35:22
reality until he finally gets to the camera.
35:26
And I'm sitting here thinking, OK, he's not much of A Detective
35:32
Mike Norris, but he'll have to do.
35:35
And we'll see how this goes. And then he goes out like a
35:40
chump almost immediately. Yeah, like how he actually dies.
35:50
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I know he gets knocked out with
35:54
me with some heavy object so he's on the ground.
35:57
Oh oh, he gets smashed with an axe in his jaw and it breaks
36:01
into a bunch of pieces. I completely forgot that and
36:04
that must have been expensive. Gruesome.
36:09
Yeah. Maybe I forgot all about it.
36:11
Ian is forgettable for himself. Yes, he's barely in the movie.
36:17
He's unlike his daughter. He's not barely in the movie.
36:22
In a good way, yeah, But yeah, like, he ends up adding a
36:29
hindrance because he ties up. Oh yeah, Nika.
36:33
Because naturally, dolls don't kill people, so Nika must have
36:37
killed everyone. I'll.
36:38
Grant it, it is the correct argument.
36:41
Dolls don't kill people. OK, so now the cop has showed
36:47
up. He saved the day.
36:49
We go to the courthouse. Please tell us the awesome thing
36:53
that Nika does. I.
36:55
Mean I can't remember what she says, but she sentenced and
36:59
she's going by the evidence table that has various pieces of
37:03
evidence and Chucky's there and she like leans over gleefully
37:08
because Chuck you apparently was all about making sure he killed
37:12
every single person and she's like I'm still alive.
37:15
I can't remember what she says about him.
37:19
I don't know if she says anything more, but she's just
37:21
very pleased with herself that. He didn't do it.
37:24
She's just mocking him for not being able to get to her.
37:28
And from the perspective of anyone in the the courtroom,
37:31
she's crazy. You'd be like, this lady's nuts.
37:34
Yeah, but from us, the audience, it's like this lady is awesome.
37:41
Like it's probably killing Chucky not to get up and chase
37:45
her. Yeah.
37:47
So I enjoyed her then as well and I think it all tied together
37:55
nicely. I know there's another movie, I
38:00
don't know if she's the focus of it, but I wouldn't mind
38:06
continuing this thread to not go to a Military Academy please.
38:11
Tell me more about Nika for real.
38:16
I do know that this and its sequel are going to be the build
38:22
up to the 2021 television series.
38:27
And so the television series is the continuation of that Prime
38:33
timeline and a specifically a continuation of this current
38:41
iteration of the timeline. But we're not going to watch
38:45
that that that's not going to be part of our franchise.
38:48
Watch we we just, it's going to be the same problem when we do
38:52
Star Wars and Marvel. We're not going to do the TV
38:56
series. And since those are part of the
38:59
the lore part of the franchise, we're not going to see it.
39:04
Same with Lord of the Rings. Like.
39:07
That's OK with Lord of the Rings.
39:09
Yeah, I was going to say that one doesn't matter so much.
39:11
Same with Alien. Like there, there are going to
39:14
be somewhere we dodge a bullet and then others where we're
39:17
going to miss something kind of special.
39:19
And I've heard that the Chucky TV series is pretty fantastic,
39:25
so I'm a little sad. I've heard the same about
39:29
Scream, where that also has a really good TV show.
39:34
But yeah, then we go into the end credits and apparently we've
39:38
already talked about it at the intro, but Alex Vincent returns
39:44
in the unrated version to have a hint at a confrontation with
39:51
Chucky. But all of us got to see
39:55
Jennifer Tilley returning as Tiffany Valentine possessing the
40:00
body of Hollywood actress Jennifer Tilly.
40:03
I didn't expect to I I, I know that I initially didn't expect
40:08
Brad Dwarf is Chucky. And then when I learned that his
40:12
he was doing the voice, I was still like, well, it could still
40:15
be a reboot. Like at least they kept the
40:16
voice actor. That's great.
40:18
And then it was continuation prequel or like, oh, and we
40:23
finished the movie on a high note and then Jennifer Tilly's
40:26
there and it's like, oh, we got we got everything that I like
40:32
loved about Seed of Chucky back in the back half of this movie.
40:39
It OK, this is one of my problems with the movie I
40:45
actually like. There's just a few things that
40:48
kind of irk me the most, and the return of Jennifer Tilley and to
40:55
a lesser extent Alex Vincent were totally unnecessary.
40:59
I didn't need either. Yes, I like them both and I
41:03
think they are both the best parts of the human element in
41:08
this franchise. Alex.
41:11
Alex Vincent played Andy. Sorry I initially both start
41:16
with an AI. Always forget.
41:19
Is this the same? Yeah, Andy, from the first one.
41:21
Yep, Yep, 1st 2 movies. We are way back to Alex Vincent.
41:26
Man, that's. Hilarious.
41:29
I kind of wish I had seen that clip then.
41:32
Exactly like I'm I'm glad he's back in that.
41:35
Regard. But I don't think it was
41:37
necessary, yeah. OK, Yeah.
41:40
Especially, especially because this movie had done such a good
41:46
job of returning to horror. Like there are some parts of it
41:52
that are very much in 2013 and I'll get to that when I get to
41:57
my my main rating. But after having, for the most
42:03
part, a scary movie experience, complete with a final girl, then
42:09
we're like, hey, remember the funny movies that we had back in
42:12
the day? Here's Jennifer Tilley.
42:15
And hey, remember that kid that you liked way back in the first
42:19
couple of movies? Here's Alex Vincent.
42:22
Like, and I, I don't know, I'm not a very nostalgic person in
42:26
general. And so whenever anyone is like,
42:29
remember the past, I'm usually like, screw you dude, I want to
42:32
live now. I don't know that I would have
42:38
gotten too hyped up over Andy like I did just now because I
42:42
was I didn't know that it was him him, But Jennifer Tilley, I
42:47
think is a comedic in the other ones, but not necessarily
42:53
without a heart. Like it's odd to say about
42:58
Tiffany, who's another serial killer, but it worked for this
43:03
one because I did want to see like it was unresolved.
43:10
Like Chucky did not kill Nika. Well, where do we go from here?
43:15
Like, oh, he's got someone that can get him back on track to
43:19
hunt her down. Like, OK, let's bring Jennifer
43:22
Tilly and and that's that's. That's why I feel bad that like
43:28
I'm down on it because genuinely, Jennifer Tilley and
43:33
Alex Vincent are the two best human elements of this
43:39
franchise. They are just the two best
43:43
actors. And then you've got Brad Dourif
43:45
as the voice of Chucky, and those 3 are like the Holy
43:49
Trinity of the Chucky franchise in my eyes.
43:54
That's where we've got the best. And if we were to have another
43:59
analogy I would add to my Mount Rushmore, Fiona Dourif as Nika
44:05
Pierce. I would be like, those are the
44:07
four people who embody the Chucky franchise, Chucky
44:11
himself, Alex Vincent, Jennifer Tilley, and Fiona Dourif.
44:16
And I'm good with that. But I don't like nostalgia.
44:20
And that's where that's where I'm holding off.
44:23
That's where I'm saying no, don't.
44:26
Don't nostalgia bait me. The fact that she had something
44:30
to do, I enjoyed. If it had just been showing up
44:33
like Andy, yeah, I could probably be anti nostalgia for
44:38
that one. She did a whole thing.
44:41
OK, and then I've got one more beef.
44:45
Like, I just have to bring it up because it's the end of the
44:47
movie, and it's in the end of the movie that this particular
44:51
frustration happens at some point because Chucky gets out
44:59
before he gets shipped off to Andy's house.
45:02
He goes to Alice's house where he wants to play Hide the Soul,
45:09
and she's like, oh, why is that the game you always want to
45:12
play? And I think then we go to
45:14
credits or something like that. Yeah.
45:15
Genuinely can't remember the order of events.
45:18
That's exactly how it happens because I did not see the the
45:21
Andy moment. Yeah.
45:24
And so I was sitting here thinking, OK, So what happened
45:28
to Alice like. I thought.
45:31
That's her body, yeah. That's what I thought.
45:34
Yeah, but then I get a post credits scene where Alex or not
45:39
Alex Chucky is being mailed to Andy and he is still in his
45:45
Chucky body getting ready to kill Andy.
45:48
That's why it doesn't. Work.
45:49
So I was like, yeah, So I was like, what happened with Alice?
45:52
What was the deal with all of that?
45:55
Nothing, apparently. Yeah, exactly.
45:58
So. Do both things.
46:00
You can't have it both ways. Exactly, and that might be why
46:03
it was cut for the R rated version because it just makes
46:06
more sense to end with Alice. But now that we've come to the
46:13
end of the movie, we can we can finally say that on this podcast
46:18
we do ratings, not grades. The primary difference is where
46:21
you find the average. In a grade, the average would be
46:25
a 7 out of 10. So if something does poorly, you
46:28
can kind of raise it up to get it closer to that average.
46:32
But you know that's a 7 out of 10.
46:34
That is almost all the way to a perfect score.
46:38
So we say no. We do ratings where the average
46:41
is a 5 out of 10 in the middle where it should be.
46:44
So if we say a movie is a 5 out of 10, we're not saying it's
46:47
bad. We're just saying that it's it's
46:50
a movie that we we thought was average.
46:53
So with that said, Justin, what would you give this movie?
46:58
I don't need to hem and Haw as much because the high watermark
47:03
we just watched with the seed of Chucky like it's it was nine
47:08
years ago, sure, but it hit some comedy that made it lighter.
47:12
It made plenty of blood and guts for its budget.
47:17
That's almost what, 2 1/2 times more than this?
47:22
It was all out fun with a little bit of horror and a lot of
47:28
effects. This one is a solid 6 for me
47:32
because I didn't enjoy it as much as Seed because the
47:35
beginning is so rough. So rough, but if you've invested
47:42
all 5 movies before this one into here, I think you'd you'd
47:47
appreciate the prequel lore that was never really ever hinted at.
47:54
He was just a serial killer. That's all you really need to
47:57
know that guess what? He was still a serial killer
48:00
before the moment we met him. But it was creepy and it led to
48:05
this interaction and it it felt like I was missing some context.
48:12
And when they came out, it all meshed together and Nika was up
48:21
to the task of defying Chucky. Everybody else kind of screams
48:25
and runs like shoot Andy in the first one because he's a kid.
48:31
But Nika, she's a full grown adult.
48:33
Like she should be fighting him and she taunts him and it's
48:39
like, ah, I love this. So 66 because it's not my
48:46
favorite for the first half. And then it it's it's higher
48:51
than a six for the last half. Like it's, it's enjoyable
48:55
because it, it leans into the horror side of the, of the
49:00
franchise. She's not funny, Nika's not
49:04
funny. She's defiant.
49:06
And I feel like she'll kill him in the next movie.
49:12
Like if you were to come back 50 times, I I think she'd kill him
49:17
all 50 times again and again and again.
49:20
She would do it gleefully and with gusto.
49:27
Well, I came into this movie thinking that it was going to be
49:31
bad. And I kind of wanted to dislike
49:34
it because I was like, if you can't have.
49:37
Yeah. Like, if you can't have the
49:38
courage to go theatrical, then what are we doing here?
49:42
Like, this is going to be pure garbage.
49:44
There's no way it could be good. And OK, I'm going to say the
49:50
last thing that is bringing my score down.
49:54
And that was this is one of those things where it's rooted
49:59
in its time, but in the 20 tens ish area of horror movies, I
50:06
think that's around the time you start to get the Paranormal
50:09
Activity franchise going around. A lot of horror movies have they
50:16
build tension by being overly long in the beginning, like
50:22
spending too much time staring at a still shot, having a really
50:28
slow zoom, just all sorts of things that don't pay off.
50:33
And then in the back half of the movie, everything pays off.
50:37
And that that works. It really does work.
50:40
There's a reason why it was the formula.
50:43
It's just that it's a formula, and that's kind of what bugs me.
50:48
I was like, come on, you're Chucky.
50:51
Like you're allowed to be Chucky.
50:54
You don't have to do what everyone else is doing.
50:59
So the combination of the nostalgia bait and then kind of
51:05
the the bit of confusion towards the ending with what was going
51:10
on with what actually happened with Chucky, Those are what's
51:15
going to bring my score down. But you also got to understand
51:20
that I love this movie. Oh my gosh, I was shocked at how
51:27
fun this movie was. I'm I'm starting to realize that
51:32
I kind of like horror movies. I didn't for most of my life,
51:36
but the older I'm getting, the more I'm like, you know what?
51:39
I kind of have a lot of fun watching horror movies and this
51:44
one was so refreshing. Oh man, I've I've enjoyed
51:50
comedic Chucky. My scores have shown that I've
51:53
had fun with comedy Chucky, but I didn't realize how much I
51:59
missed a scary doll. And that's why I'm giving this
52:03
movie A7. It's it's right up there with
52:07
the other ones that I loved so much.
52:09
Like I am, I'm getting so much out of this franchise.
52:14
I genuinely am. Yeah.
52:18
I'm so glad we decided to do these movies because I'm really
52:23
having a great time. So with a show average of 6.5
52:28
out of 10, matching what we had with Seed of Chucky, just both
52:33
of us flipping our scores. I mean, I feel like Chucky is
52:38
kind of hitting his stride, like after that misstep with the the
52:43
Military Academy, like he's back in a big way.
52:48
And he's had three movies in a row that have been a lot of fun
52:52
to watch. Yeah, I think it.
52:57
I am interested in learning more about whatever, whatever happens
53:03
from this new wrinkle in other franchises like Underworld,
53:08
where you might be disappointed by the lore because like, Oh
53:12
well, that doesn't really jive like that.
53:15
This may not exactly work out perfectly from what we were just
53:21
told, but in this movie where we kind of know all the stories and
53:26
this is just adding just a little bit to justify the
53:29
attacks like it works great, yes.
53:34
I'm so glad that we did Underworld so I could have my
53:38
expectations tempered for bad lore, but this franchise has
53:43
always respected the past, even the bad movies.
53:47
I mean, respected versus oh, of course he was wearing this
53:51
amulet all this time. Like rewriting history when
53:55
necessary. Yes, I do forget about the
54:00
amulet all the time. Oh man.
54:05
But at the same time like this has always been the same Chucky.
54:10
His battle damage came from the crappy movie Child's Play 3.
54:16
And so every one of these movies is building off of the previous
54:20
one. And I don't think we're going to
54:22
get a true reboot until, you know, the the last movie in the
54:27
franchise. I think Cult of Chucky,
54:30
obviously it's a sequel to Curse of Chucky, but I think it's
54:34
going to also respect those who have watched from 1988, the
54:39
people who have been there from the beginning, you know?
54:42
We'll have to see next week. Indeed.
54:45
Yeah, I think we're good to drop drop this last little bit from
54:51
Chucky. Like we got two more, one which
54:54
is probably going to address these events.
54:58
I would love it if it did. And then I assume 2019 is a
55:02
reboot, reboot, but we'll have to see.
55:06
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55:12
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55:27
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55:32
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