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Elon Musk and DOGE team give behind the scenes look at their mission! · Gil I Am

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us and doing this. I know there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of interest in this, you know. First, let
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Speaker 1: me start with you elon what are the budgetary savings
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Speaker 1: goals and how much do you think you've achieved so far.
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Speaker 2: Our goal is to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars,
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Speaker 2: so from a nominal depth SIT of two trillion to
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Speaker 2: track cut the depth SIT in half to one trillion,
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Speaker 2: or looked.
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Speaker 3: At it in total federal spending, to drop the federal
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Speaker 3: spending from seven trillion to six trillion.
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Speaker 2: We want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste and
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Speaker 2: forward reduce the spending by fifteen percent, which seems really
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Speaker 2: quite achievable. The government is not efficient and there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of waste forward, so we feel confident that fifteen
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Speaker 2: percent reduction can be done without affecting any of the
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Speaker 2: critical government services.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to all the making it better
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Speaker 1: and talk to all the guys here about the specifics.
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Speaker 1: But for you, what's the most astonishing thing you've found
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Speaker 1: out in this process?
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Speaker 2: The sheer amount of waste import in the government. It
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Speaker 2: is astonishing, it's mind blowing. Just we routinely encounter wastes
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Speaker 2: of a billion dollars or more casually, you know, for example,
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Speaker 2: like the simple survey that was literally ten question survey
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Speaker 2: that you could do with survey monkey quashed about.
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Speaker 3: Ten thousand dollars. Was the government was being charged.
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Speaker 2: Almost a billion dollars for that for just the survey
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Speaker 2: A billion dollars for a simple online survey do you.
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Speaker 3: Like the National Park?
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Speaker 2: And then there appears to be no feedback loop for
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Speaker 2: what would be done with that survey, so the survive
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Speaker 2: we would just go to nothing.
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Speaker 1: It's like you're saying, you technically are a special government
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Speaker 1: employee and you're supposed to be one hundred and thirty days.
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Speaker 1: Are you going to continue past that or do you
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Speaker 1: think that's what you're going to do?
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Speaker 2: Or well, I think we will accomplish most of the
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Speaker 2: work required to reduce the deficit by trillion dollars within
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Speaker 2: that timeframe.
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Speaker 1: So in that timeframe a one hundred days, and the process
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Speaker 1: is a report at some point at one hundred days,
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Speaker 1: not really a report.
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Speaker 3: We are cutting the waste and PROD in real time.
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Speaker 2: So every day that passes, our goal is to reduce
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Speaker 2: the waist and FROD by four billion dollars a day.
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Speaker 2: Every day, seven days a week, and so far we
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Speaker 2: are succeeding.
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Speaker 3: And I'm going to talk to the specifics.
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Speaker 1: But there obviously are DOSEE critics who are reading all
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Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Obviously lawmakers on the other side of
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Speaker 1: the aisle are attacking you, and they characterize the approach
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Speaker 1: is this fire ready and then aim, and.
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Speaker 3: How do you approach that? How do you respond to that?
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Speaker 2: Well, I do agree that we actually want to be
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Speaker 2: careful in the cuts. So we want to measure twice,
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Speaker 2: if not thrice, and cut once.
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Speaker 3: And actually that is our approach.
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Speaker 2: They may characterize it as shooting from the hip, but
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Speaker 2: it is anything at that, which is not to say
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Speaker 2: that we don't make mistakes. If we were to approach
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Speaker 2: this with the standard of making no mistakes at all,
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Speaker 2: that would be like saying someone in baseball's got a
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Speaker 2: bat one thousand.
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Speaker 3: That's impossible. So when we do make mistakes, we correct
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Speaker 3: them quickly and we move on.
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Speaker 1: Some people say this shouldn't take a rocket scientist. Steve Davis,
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Speaker 1: you are a rocket scientist. It used to be yeah,
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Speaker 1: And now essentially you're the chief operating officer of doche
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Speaker 1: day to day operations.
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Speaker 3: Fair to say, yeah, part of part of the Dose team.
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Speaker 3: So how did you end up here? What's the biggest challenge?
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Speaker 3: You see?
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Speaker 4: The reason I'm here, which is probably for many, is
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Speaker 4: that I think the goal is incredibly inspiring. I think
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Speaker 4: most of the taxpayers in the country would agree that
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Speaker 4: in order to have the country going bankrupt would be
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Speaker 4: a very bad thing, and therefore the country going not
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Speaker 4: bankrupt is a good thing that all of us are
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Speaker 4: willing to kind of put our lives on hold in
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Speaker 4: order to do. I think the thing that's special right
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Speaker 4: now is we actually believe there's a chance to succeed,
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Speaker 4: that there's an administration that's supportive and a great cabinet
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Speaker 4: and just a great group that will actually make success
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Speaker 4: a possible outcome. And I think that's given the inspiring
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Speaker 4: mission and given the non zero chance of success, it
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Speaker 4: was worth down.
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Speaker 3: I just like to sort of reemphasize that point.
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Speaker 2: The success of those is only possible with President Trump
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Speaker 2: and with the outstanding cabinet that he selected. It would
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Speaker 2: be impossible without the support of the President and the cabinet.
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Speaker 3: But you're finding the money. I mean, it's big numbers, right. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Like Leon said, the minimum Impulse bid is often a
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Speaker 4: billion dollars. So for example, the eight hundred and thirty
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Speaker 4: million dollars which was the online survey, that's an enormous
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Speaker 4: amount of money that wouldn't have been found if the
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Speaker 4: do team wasn't working with it, in that case, the
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Speaker 4: Department of Interior. But then taking it one step further,
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Speaker 4: DOGE then publish publishes these things on our website for
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Speaker 4: maximum transparency. So now the general public it would have
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Speaker 4: been impossible for the general public to have seen that.
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Speaker 4: Now anyone can just log into dozdakov any time and
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Speaker 4: see payments as they're not yet in real time. They're close,
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Speaker 4: but they're probably be in real time within the next
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Speaker 4: few weeks.
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Speaker 1: But the process it still involves Congress, right at some level.
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Speaker 2: We try to keep Congress as informed as possible. But
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Speaker 2: the Lord does say that money needs to be spent correctly.
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Speaker 2: It should not be spent fortunately or wastefully. It's not
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Speaker 2: contrary to Congress to avoid waste and for it. It
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Speaker 2: is consistent with the law and consistent with Congress. And
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Speaker 2: we've seen actually great support at least from the Republican
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Speaker 2: side of the House and occasionally some Democrats too, you know,
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Speaker 2: It's nice to see people cross the ol once in
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Speaker 2: a while, but usually when they attack doors, they never
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Speaker 2: attack any of the specifics. So they'll say what we're
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Speaker 2: doing is somehow unconstitutional or legal or whatever. We're like, well,
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Speaker 2: which line of the cost savings do you disagree with?
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Speaker 2: And they can't point to any and we list them
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Speaker 2: all on doge, doug up and the Doge headline, and
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Speaker 2: you'll see just outrageous things, one outrageous thing after another.
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Speaker 3: Chill, Gabyam.
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Speaker 1: Besides, Elon, you're one of several billionaires here, co founder
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Speaker 1: of Airbnb, and you wanted to help out.
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Speaker 5: I bumped into Anthony d One probably back in February,
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Speaker 5: and they told me something about a mine that was
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Speaker 5: dealt with retirement, and they said that he needs somebody
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Speaker 5: to help out to fix retirement in the government. I
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Speaker 5: love the challenge, so I jumped on board. And it
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Speaker 5: turns out there is actually a mine in Pennsylvania that
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Speaker 5: houses every paper document for the retirement process in the government.
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Speaker 5: Now picture this. This giant cave has twenty two thousand
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Speaker 5: filing cabinets stacked ten high to house four hundred million.
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Speaker 3: Pieces of paper.
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Speaker 5: It's a process that started in the nineteen fifties and
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Speaker 5: largely hasn't changed in the last seventy years. And so
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Speaker 5: as he dug into it, we found a retirement cases
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Speaker 5: that had so much paper they had to fit it
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Speaker 5: on a shipping palate. So the process takes many months,
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Speaker 5: and we're going to make it just many days. Well
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Speaker 5: it would be digitized or how absolutely so this will
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Speaker 5: be an online digital process that will take just a
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Speaker 5: few days at most. And I really think, you know,
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Speaker 5: it's an injustice to civil servants who are subjected to
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Speaker 5: these processes that are older than the age of half
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Speaker 5: the people watching your show tonight.
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Speaker 3: So we really believe.
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Speaker 5: That the government can have an Apple Store like experience
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Speaker 5: beaut if we designed great easier experience modern systems.
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Speaker 3: Because right now it's by hand.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the retired process is all by paper, literally, with
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Speaker 2: people carrying paper and Manila envelopes into this gigantic mind.
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Speaker 1: So they can't retire more than a certain number every month,
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Speaker 1: about eight thousand a month.
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Speaker 3: That's how we do.
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Speaker 2: The reason we discovered it was we were saying, like, well,
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Speaker 2: let's encourage voluntary retirement as well. The most you could
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Speaker 2: could they could do is eight thousand a month.
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Speaker 3: And even.
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Speaker 2: I don't know a second houses it can take six
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Speaker 2: to nine months just to have your time at payawork processed,
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Speaker 2: and they often get the calculations wrong. So we're like, well,
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Speaker 2: why would it take so long to retire? And they're like, well,
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Speaker 2: because of the mind. They're like, what do you mean
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Speaker 2: of mine? What's the mind got to do with retiring?
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Speaker 2: And that's where we discovered that all the retirement stuff
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Speaker 2: is done by still done by paper, in a process
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Speaker 2: that looks identical to what occurred in the nineteen fifties.
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Speaker 3: Like if you took a snapshot of the.
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Speaker 2: Mind when it post start in the fifties, today it
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Speaker 2: looks the same.
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Speaker 3: It's amazing. So how long do you think it'll take
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Speaker 3: to turnover.
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Speaker 5: Orgon as fast as we can Probably the next couple
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Speaker 5: of months we'll have this overhauled. And you know, I
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Speaker 5: really think again, like why are we subjecting our federal
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Speaker 5: workers to processes that they actually have to go through
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Speaker 5: a training just to retire from the government.
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Speaker 3: There's a whole training program that people have to go
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Speaker 3: through in order to retire.
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Speaker 5: I think we can do better for them.
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Speaker 1: Arem Mogandaci doje engineer? You go into these places. One
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Speaker 1: of the more than a dozen engineers first people to
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Speaker 1: go into the agencies and view the puter data sets.
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Speaker 1: Tell me what you're finding, and for people who don't
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Speaker 1: understand how that process works, explain it for him.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll say the first thing that got me really
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Speaker 6: excited about DOGE was learning basically the state of government computers.
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Speaker 6: By some estimates, government I costs about one hundred billion dollars,
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Speaker 6: and it's funding systems that are over fifty years old
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Speaker 6: in the case of something like Social Security or the IRS.
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Speaker 6: So really critical systems are old, they cost a lot
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Speaker 6: of money to maintain, and they can be the efforts
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Speaker 6: to improve them are often very delayed. So I thought,
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Speaker 6: I'm a software engineer that that maybe can make a
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Speaker 6: difference here, and.
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Speaker 3: That's that's really what inspired me.
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Speaker 1: At a high level, I have a bit of history
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Speaker 1: about social security and a lot of words about it
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Speaker 1: from here's what Democrats have been saying about it.
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Speaker 4: It's absurd that Elon Musk is trying to eliminate billions
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Speaker 4: of dollars from social stek security.
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Speaker 6: Elon Musk and President Trump have set their sites on
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Speaker 6: cutting Social security.
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Speaker 1: Their goal is clear, destroy social security.
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Speaker 3: From within.
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Speaker 1: You're in the building, I mean you're in the computers.
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Speaker 3: What's happening there? What are you doing?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't line up with my experience on the ground.
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Speaker 6: And I'll say the two improvements that we're trying to
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Speaker 6: make to Social Security are helping people that legitimately get benefits,
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Speaker 6: protect them from fraud that they experience every day on
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Speaker 6: a routine basis, and also make the experience better. And
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Speaker 6: I'll give you one example is at Social Security. One
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Speaker 6: of the first things we learned is that they get
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Speaker 6: phone calls every day of people trying to change direct
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Speaker 6: positive information. So when you want to change your bank account,
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Speaker 6: you can call social Security. We learned forty percent of
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Speaker 6: the phone calls that they get are from fraudstars.
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Speaker 3: That's right, almost half, yes, and they steal people social Security.
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Speaker 2: What happens is they call in, they say they claim
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Speaker 2: to be a retiree. Then they they and they convinced
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Speaker 2: to post the Social Security person on the phone to
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Speaker 2: change the where the where the money is flowing, it
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Speaker 2: actually goes to some fraudster. Is this happening all day
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Speaker 2: every day? And and then and then somebody doesn't receive
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Speaker 2: their Social Security is because of all the fraud loop
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Speaker 2: poles in the Social Security system, How.
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Speaker 1: Do you reassure people that what you all are doing
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Speaker 1: is not going to affect their benefits.
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Speaker 2: No, in fact, what we're doing will help their benefits.
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Speaker 2: Legitimate people, as a result of the work of DOGE
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Speaker 2: will receive more social Security, not less.
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Speaker 3: When emphasize that, as.
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Speaker 2: A result of the work of DOGE, legitimate recipients of
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Speaker 2: social security will receive more.
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Speaker 3: Money, not less money.
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Speaker 2: All right, empasize that point and let the record show
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Speaker 2: that I said this and it will be proven out
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Speaker 2: to be true.
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Speaker 3: Let's let's check back on this in the future.
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Speaker 1: So Washington Posts as Social Security Administration website crashed four
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Speaker 1: times in ten days this month because the servers were overloaded,
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Speaker 1: blocking millions of retirees and disabled veterans from logging into
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Speaker 1: their online accounts. Freaked people out. Is that going to change.
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Speaker 3: Yes, We're going to make sure that the website stays online.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But is it a result of going in there
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Speaker 1: something you're doing.
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Speaker 4: Since the amount of issues that were the Social Security
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Speaker 4: system are enormous. As an example, there are over fifteen
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Speaker 4: million people that are over the age of one hundred
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Speaker 4: and twenty that are marked as alive in the Social Security.
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Speaker 3: System, and that's an accurate figure. Correct. Correct.
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Speaker 4: This has been something that's been identified as a problem
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Speaker 4: again pre existing problems since two thousand and eight, at
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Speaker 4: least from an IG report. So there were some great
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Speaker 4: people working at the Social Curity Administration Social Security Administration
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Speaker 4: that found this two thousand and eight, and nothing was done.
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Speaker 4: And so fifteen to twenty million social Security numbers that
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Speaker 4: were clearly fraudulent we're floating around that can be used
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Speaker 4: only for bad intentions. There'd be no way to use
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Speaker 4: as for good intentions. And so one of the things
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Speaker 4: the DOSE team is doing is carefully and very methodically
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Speaker 4: looking at those and making sure that any fraudulent ones
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Speaker 4: are eliminated.
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Speaker 1: Brad Smith working at HHS, and obviously another element is
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Speaker 1: Medicare and Medicaid NIH, what are you finding.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, I'd say there's a couple of things we're
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Speaker 7: really committed to in our work at AHHS. Number one,
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Speaker 7: making sure we continue to have the best biomedical research
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Speaker 7: in the world. And number two, making sure, which President
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Speaker 7: Trump has said over and over again, that we one
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Speaker 7: hundred percent protect Medicare and Medicaid. But there's a lot
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Speaker 7: of opportunity. So if I take NIH as an example today,
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Speaker 7: if you're inih researcher and you get one hundred dollars
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Speaker 7: grant at your university today, you get to spend sixty
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Speaker 7: of that and your university spends forty of that. The
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Speaker 7: policy that we're proposing to make is that you get
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Speaker 7: to spend eighty five of that and your university spends fifteen.
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Speaker 7: So that's more money going directly to the scientists who
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Speaker 7: are discovering new cures. Another example at NIH is today
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Speaker 7: they have twenty seven different centers. They got created over
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Speaker 7: time by Congress and they're typically by disease state or
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Speaker 7: body system. There's seven hundred different IT systems today at NIH.
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Speaker 3: Seven hundred different IT software systems. They can't speak to
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Speaker 3: each other, so they don't talk to them.
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Speaker 7: They have twenty seven different CIOs, and so when you
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Speaker 7: think about making great medical discoveries, you have to connect
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Speaker 7: the data.
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Speaker 3: Time. Yeah, time.
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Speaker 1: I use twenty seven different Chief information officers correct, correct.
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Speaker 3: And most of them are non technical. So there's a
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Speaker 3: lot there.
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Speaker 7: There's a lot of opportunity, and it will make science better,
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Speaker 7: not yrse.
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Speaker 3: And when I say that, our job is tech support
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Speaker 3: I really mean it. Yeah, we have to fix the computers.
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Speaker 2: If the computers can't talk to each other, you can't
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Speaker 2: get research done. If the computers can't stay online, people
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Speaker 2: won't receive at Social Security.
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Speaker 3: So what we have here are a.
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Speaker 2: Bunch of failing computer systems that are preventing people from
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Speaker 2: receiving their benefits, that are preventing people from preventing research
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Speaker 2: from happening, that are extremely vulnerable to fraud.
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Speaker 3: And we're fixing it.
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Speaker 1: And does that include AI does that include kind of
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Speaker 1: changing the system overall? That's what I guess what people
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Speaker 1: are afraid of is they don't know what this is
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Speaker 1: all looking like and is it going to affect me
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Speaker 1: in the long term.
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Speaker 2: It's going to affect them, It's going to affect people
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Speaker 2: very positively. So the changes that we're doing here will
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Speaker 2: ensure the solvency of the American government, of the American
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Speaker 2: of the United States of America.
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Speaker 3: This is what this is what we're trying to do is.
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Speaker 2: Ensure that people do receive their benefits in the future.
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Speaker 2: And you can only receive your benefits if the if
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Speaker 2: the country is operating in a healthy and competent way.
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Speaker 1: Up next how the Doze team plans to streamline some
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Speaker 1: federal jobs and agencies, and later Elon Musks answers some
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Speaker 1: of your questions that you asked Vax Anthony Armstrong, Doze,
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Speaker 1: Office of Personnel Management, the Morgan Stanley Banker M and
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Speaker 1: a guy you know money and this is a lot
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Speaker 1: of money slashing around.
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Speaker 8: There's a lot of money slashing around. It's a lot
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Speaker 8: of money slashing.
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Speaker 3: Out the door.
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Speaker 8: And if you look at the federal government in the
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Speaker 8: way the workforce works, it's really a one way ratchet
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Speaker 8: over decades.
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Speaker 3: So all going up, it's only going up.
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Speaker 8: You never take it away. So that leaves you with
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Speaker 8: duplicative functions, It leaves you with overstaffing, and it leaves
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Speaker 8: you with functions in the wrong places. So a couple
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Speaker 8: of examples duplicative functions. Brad mentioned twenty seven CIOs. If
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Speaker 8: you had kept going with Brady, probably talk about the
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Speaker 8: communications office. I think you've got forty forty distinct communications
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Speaker 8: offices in HIHS, right, forty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's not unusual.
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Speaker 8: By the way, multiple offices like don't make anyone healthy.
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Speaker 8: This is not about the employees. There there's been many
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Speaker 8: many hard working well, meeting people who took these jobs.
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Speaker 8: These jobs were out there, they applied for them, they
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Speaker 8: took them. They're doing what's there. It's just that they're
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Speaker 8: duplicating the effort of forty offices. So you've got that,
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Speaker 8: you've got overstaffing. A good example of overstaffing would be
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Speaker 8: the IRS has got fourteen hundred people who are dedicated
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Speaker 8: to provisioning laptops and cell phones. So if you join
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Speaker 8: the RS, you get a laptop in the cell phone.
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Speaker 3: You have provisioned.
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Speaker 8: So if each of those IRS officers or employees provisioned
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Speaker 8: two employees per day, you could provision the entire IRS
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Speaker 8: in a little more than a month, So twelve times
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Speaker 8: a year.
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Speaker 2: Going to read, why would you have fourteen hundred people
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Speaker 2: whose only job it is to give a laptop and
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Speaker 2: the phone.
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Speaker 8: The whole IRS could be one a month. So that
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Speaker 8: doesn't make any sense. And President Trump's been very clear
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Speaker 8: it's scalpell, not hatchet, and that's the way it's getting done.
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Speaker 8: And then once those decisions are made, there's a very
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Speaker 8: heavy focus on being generous, being caring, being compassionate, and
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Speaker 8: treating everyone with dignity and respect. And if you look
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Speaker 8: at how people have started to leave the government. It
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Speaker 8: is largely throughvoluntary means. There's a voluntary early retirement, there's
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Speaker 8: voluntary separation payments. We put in place deferred resignation, the
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Speaker 8: eight month seventh program. So it's a very heavy bias
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Speaker 8: towards programs that are long, data, that are generous, that
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Speaker 8: allow people to exit and go and get a new
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Speaker 8: job in the private sector.
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Speaker 3: And you've heard a lot of.
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Speaker 8: A lot of news about riffs about people getting fired.
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Speaker 8: At this moment in time, less than zero point one five,
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Speaker 8: not one point five, let's than point one five of
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Speaker 8: the federal workforce has actually been given a riff notice.
18:36
Speaker 3: So so they've selected, if they're living, it is mostly
18:39
Speaker 3: almost no one's gotten fired. That's what we're saying, Tom Grass.
18:43
Speaker 1: Working at Treasury, you are having access to the payment system,
18:48
Speaker 1: oversees all the outgoing payments. Essentially those payments were going
18:53
Speaker 1: places we didn't know where they were going, right.
18:55
Speaker 9: Yeah, Unfortunately that's the case, right you know, as in
18:59
Speaker 9: that CFO of a big public tech company. Really what
19:04
Speaker 9: we're doing is we're applying public company standards to the
19:07
Speaker 9: federal government. And it is alarming how the financial operations
19:13
Speaker 9: and financial management is set up today, there is actually
19:15
Speaker 9: really only one bank account that's used to disburse all
19:20
Speaker 9: monies that go out of the federal government.
19:22
Speaker 3: Talk about one blank account. It's a big one. It's
19:25
Speaker 3: a big one. It's a big one. It's a big one.
19:27
Speaker 9: A couple of weeks ago had eight hundred million dollars
19:29
Speaker 9: in it. But it's the Treasury digital account. So when
19:33
Speaker 9: you hear, you know, some of my colleagues here what
19:35
Speaker 9: they're talking about in terms of the fraud, you have
19:37
Speaker 9: to ask, well, why is this allowed to happen at
19:41
Speaker 9: a financial level. Well, it's actually quite simple but alarming
19:45
Speaker 9: the Treasury up until now, and thanks to President Trump,
19:48
Speaker 9: we're fixing this. In fact, there's an executive order that
19:50
Speaker 9: he just signed the other day which is protecting America's
19:53
Speaker 9: bank account because it really is the taxpayer's money, you know.
19:56
Speaker 3: One, we're changing the culture.
19:58
Speaker 9: The culture is and not a lot of caring and
20:02
Speaker 9: not a lot of commitment to doing what's right. Relative
20:05
Speaker 9: to financial operations. There's a five hundred million dollars a
20:08
Speaker 9: fraud every year. There's one hundreds of million dollars of
20:11
Speaker 9: improper payments, and we can't pass it on it. The
20:16
Speaker 9: Consolidated Financial Report is produced by Treasury, and we cannot
20:19
Speaker 9: pass it on we have material weaknesses.
20:20
Speaker 3: What that means is.
20:22
Speaker 9: That if I was a public company CFO, I would
20:24
Speaker 9: effectively be removed. I couldn't file financial statements, I couldn't
20:28
Speaker 9: issue securities.
20:29
Speaker 3: Much of course, can't pass it on right the pedal.
20:31
Speaker 3: Government cannot pass it in ordered, it's impossible. In fact,
20:38
Speaker 3: in order to.
20:38
Speaker 2: Pass order, you need the information necessarily passing ordered, you
20:42
Speaker 2: need to have the payment codes, you need to have
20:43
Speaker 2: the payment explanation, and you need to have a person
20:46
Speaker 2: who can contact to understand why that payment was made.
20:48
Speaker 2: None of those things were mandatory until until just recently,
20:52
Speaker 2: just a few weeks ago, in fact, maybe last week.
20:54
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're serving five hundred and eighty plus agencies and
20:57
Speaker 9: up until very recently, effect they could say make the
21:01
Speaker 9: payment and Treasury just sent it out as fast as possible,
21:04
Speaker 9: no verification. And so what we're doing is what any
21:08
Speaker 9: household would do. But imagine you're a household. Do you
21:10
Speaker 9: have a bank account. Everyone has an ATM card connect
21:14
Speaker 9: to that account, Everyone has a checkbook to that account.
21:16
Speaker 9: It's not just your children, it's not just your parents,
21:19
Speaker 9: at your in laws, it's your extended family, and they
21:21
Speaker 9: all can go to the account and disperse funds, no
21:24
Speaker 9: questions asked, no justification, no verification.
21:28
Speaker 1: Up next, the DOSE team targets government contracts and we'll
21:32
Speaker 1: show you what they're finding. Tyler Hasson, Interior Department. You're
21:40
Speaker 1: a former oil company CEO. You're reviewing contracts before they're
21:45
Speaker 1: approved for funding.
21:47
Speaker 3: What do you find?
21:48
Speaker 10: Well, Elon and Steve kind of stole my thunder a
21:51
Speaker 10: little bit, but I actually found that customer service survey contract.
21:55
Speaker 10: I actually had an example of one right here. I
21:58
Speaker 10: could have done this in high school, and I found
22:02
Speaker 10: it that bad. I found it on the weekends because
22:04
Speaker 10: under the Biden administration there was no departmental oversight within
22:08
Speaker 10: the Department of Interior whatsoever.
22:11
Speaker 3: None.
22:11
Speaker 10: We've now reviewing every single contract, every single grant, and
22:15
Speaker 10: when things come to my attention that don't make sense,
22:18
Speaker 10: I'm bringing him to Secretary Bergham, and he's been fantastic.
22:22
Speaker 10: He's a businessman, he's very supportive of DOGE. It's been
22:25
Speaker 10: wonderful to work with him.
22:27
Speaker 1: Is the battle between government of decades and decades of
22:31
Speaker 1: build up and business, which you guys are is that
22:35
Speaker 1: like a train hitting each other. I mean, it seems
22:37
Speaker 1: like it's pretty disruptive.
22:40
Speaker 2: Well, this is a revolution, and I think it might
22:44
Speaker 2: be the biggest revolution in government since the original Revolution.
22:48
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, America is going
22:49
Speaker 2: to be in much better shape. Mecca will be solvent,
22:54
Speaker 2: the critical programs that people depend upon will walk, and
22:59
Speaker 2: it's going to be a fantastic future.
23:02
Speaker 3: But all we're going to get a lot of complaints
23:04
Speaker 3: along the way. Absolutely.
23:05
Speaker 2: You know, one of things I learned to PayPal was
23:07
Speaker 2: the you know who complains the loudest and with the
23:10
Speaker 2: most amount of fake righteous indignation the fraudsters.
23:15
Speaker 3: That's it's a tell.
23:17
Speaker 2: Is that a crazy like the two billion dollars to
23:20
Speaker 2: Stacey Aprons ANDNGO that basically didn't exist and suddenly gets
23:23
Speaker 2: two billion dollars awarded from federal government?
23:26
Speaker 3: She has why? And there are many such cases like that.
23:29
Speaker 3: I think that.
23:30
Speaker 1: Most people, common sense wise, would say the fraud's got
23:34
Speaker 1: to end. They're concerned about the ninety four year old
23:37
Speaker 1: mother who skips a check or somehow doesn't get what
23:41
Speaker 1: she's supposed to.
23:42
Speaker 2: Get right, And what we're trying to say is actually
23:45
Speaker 2: that the ninety four year old grandmother is actually, as
23:48
Speaker 2: a result of Doge's work, going to get her check.
23:51
Speaker 2: She's not going to be robbed by Frauds's like she's
23:53
Speaker 2: getting robbed today, and the solvency of the of the
23:58
Speaker 2: federal government will ensure that she can is to receive
24:01
Speaker 2: those Social Security checks that Medicare continues to.
24:06
Speaker 3: Without which we're all doomed. And the reason we're.
24:09
Speaker 2: Doing this is because if we don't do it, America
24:13
Speaker 2: is going to go insolve it. I'm going to go
24:15
Speaker 2: bankrupt and nobody's going to get anything.
24:18
Speaker 3: Why are you guys all doing it?
24:20
Speaker 1: I mean, you can pipe up, but you don't have
24:23
Speaker 1: to be here, right, I mean, you don't have to
24:25
Speaker 1: be doing this.
24:26
Speaker 9: I have four bless with four beautiful children and with
24:29
Speaker 9: an eye, but we have a real fiscal crisis and
24:34
Speaker 9: this is not sustainable. And what's worse, back to my
24:38
Speaker 9: children and everyone else's children, is are burdening them with
24:41
Speaker 9: that debt and it's only going to grow.
24:43
Speaker 3: See, there's not a lot of hierarchy here.
24:45
Speaker 1: You guys are kind of all approaching it in different
24:48
Speaker 1: you know, silos, but with the same kind of goal, right,
24:53
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really Silicon Valley private sector colliding
24:57
Speaker 1: with government.
24:58
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, we're heading bad path, but that the chance
25:01
Speaker 4: of success exists. And just the one that I just
25:04
Speaker 4: is in my head right now, which is a fairly
25:06
Speaker 4: mundane one but I think is very illustrative, is credit cards.
25:11
Speaker 4: There are in the federal government around four point six
25:14
Speaker 4: million credit cards for around two point three to two
25:17
Speaker 4: point four million employees.
25:20
Speaker 3: This doesn't make sense, right, And.
25:22
Speaker 4: So one of the things all the teams have have
25:24
Speaker 4: worked on is we've worked for the agencies and said,
25:28
Speaker 4: do you need all of these credit cards? Are they
25:30
Speaker 4: being used? Can you tell us physically where they are?
25:33
Speaker 3: I hope they're getting frequent flyers.
25:35
Speaker 4: Actually, on a different note, the rewards program the federal
25:38
Speaker 4: government has is actually not very good because that's a
25:41
Speaker 4: whole other negotiation, right, yeah exactly, But so far the
25:44
Speaker 4: teams have worked together and they've reduced it from four
25:46
Speaker 4: point six million to four point three million.
25:50
Speaker 2: So we're taking Yeah, but clearly they should not be,
25:54
Speaker 2: you know more, they should be going more credit cards
25:57
Speaker 2: than there are people.
25:58
Speaker 3: Joe, middle level employees.
26:01
Speaker 1: Are they seeing a benefit to being empowered by taking
26:05
Speaker 1: out bureaucracy.
26:07
Speaker 3: I mean absolutely.
26:08
Speaker 5: I mean I think what you're seeing is taking the
26:09
Speaker 5: best of silk combelling the business world and bringing it
26:11
Speaker 5: into the government. We're bringing the best practices and the
26:13
Speaker 5: best methodologies, and people are inspired right especially on the
26:19
Speaker 5: retirement processors I can speak to. They've been trying to
26:22
Speaker 5: modernize and get off of paper since early two thousands,
26:28
Speaker 5: very unsuccessfully. Every attempt has gone over budget and been
26:32
Speaker 5: canceled because it hasn't been successful. And so you know,
26:36
Speaker 5: I showed up and I feel like I'm here because
26:38
Speaker 5: it's an interesting problem. We can use design to solve
26:41
Speaker 5: it and good engineering and really create a better experience
26:45
Speaker 5: for everybody.
26:45
Speaker 2: We're talking about elementary financial controls that are necessary for
26:49
Speaker 2: any company to function. So like if these can if
26:53
Speaker 2: the pedal comment, if a commercial company operated the way
26:57
Speaker 2: the pedal commat does, then it would be immediately go bankrupt,
27:02
Speaker 2: it would be delisted, the officers would be arrested, and
27:04
Speaker 2: the changes were putting in place will enable the federal
27:07
Speaker 2: government to pass and ordered.
27:08
Speaker 3: It will enable taxpayers to know where the money is
27:11
Speaker 3: going and know that they're.
27:12
Speaker 2: Harder and tax tax dollars are being expanded well the
27:17
Speaker 2: ways that the government is defrauded is that the computer
27:19
Speaker 2: systems don't talk to each other. So if the computer
27:22
Speaker 2: systems don't talk to each other, then you can you
27:25
Speaker 2: can exploit that gap, and frauds is that exploit that
27:29
Speaker 2: gap take advantage. For example, there were over three hundred
27:32
Speaker 2: million dollars of small Business Administration loans that has been
27:36
Speaker 2: given out to people under the age of eleven.
27:39
Speaker 4: We'll actually to add to three hundred million under the
27:41
Speaker 4: age of eleven and over three hundred million to over
27:44
Speaker 4: the age of one hundred and twenty.
27:46
Speaker 3: Definitely small business loans.
27:48
Speaker 2: Yes, the oldest American is one hundred and fourteen, so
27:51
Speaker 2: it's safe to say if their age is one hundred
27:53
Speaker 2: and fifteen or above, they're fake or they should be
27:57
Speaker 2: in the games. Spoke up world records, and we should
28:01
Speaker 2: not be giving out loans to babies.
28:03
Speaker 3: So the.
28:06
Speaker 2: Youngest recipient of a Small Business Administration loan is a
28:09
Speaker 2: nine month year old, which is a very very concious
28:12
Speaker 2: baby we're talking about here, So obviously it was just fraudulent.
28:16
Speaker 3: And what they and they do terrible things.
28:18
Speaker 2: They actually will see that a kid's been born, they
28:20
Speaker 2: will steal that kid's social Security number and they take
28:23
Speaker 2: out a loan and leave that.
28:24
Speaker 3: Kid with a bad credit rating. There's literally a baby.
28:28
Speaker 2: The terrible things are being done, is what we're saying,
28:31
Speaker 2: and how we're stopping these terrible things, and you can
28:33
Speaker 2: stop it.
28:33
Speaker 3: I mean, well, we are stopping. The reason this is happening.
28:36
Speaker 8: Is because the two systems are not talking to each other.
28:39
Speaker 3: Yes, right, And so.
28:41
Speaker 8: You don't know at the Small Business Administration that you're
28:44
Speaker 8: giving a loan to a nine month old, which hapened
28:47
Speaker 8: in one case because you're not cross referencing that with
28:49
Speaker 8: the Social Security Administration data that has birth dates. So
28:52
Speaker 8: that very very simple fix eliminates tremendous fraut. And that
28:56
Speaker 8: there are multiple systems across the government where the systems
28:59
Speaker 8: are not speaking with one another.
29:01
Speaker 3: And if you just.
29:02
Speaker 8: Solve that simple problem, you would solve a huge amount
29:06
Speaker 8: of fraud.
29:06
Speaker 3: Are you.
29:07
Speaker 2: One of the ways that, like one of the key
29:10
Speaker 2: tricks that the frauds is pull is that they will
29:12
Speaker 2: use the fact that someone is marked as live as
29:16
Speaker 2: sort of just that that Social Security numbers marks is
29:18
Speaker 2: live in Social Security and then then get disability and
29:22
Speaker 2: unemployment insurance for a dead person because the databases don't
29:26
Speaker 2: talk to each other. All they got was from Social Security?
29:29
Speaker 2: Is like, is this person alive? Yes, they're not. They're
29:32
Speaker 2: not alive if it's falsely mark, person's falsely marked is
29:34
Speaker 2: alive Social Security?
29:36
Speaker 3: But they didn't.
29:37
Speaker 2: But that was a fraudser can now get unemployment and
29:41
Speaker 2: disability from a dead person. This is happening all the
29:45
Speaker 2: time at scale.
29:47
Speaker 1: Are you surprised at some of the legal efforts and
29:51
Speaker 1: some of the judges that have weighed in. There's about
29:53
Speaker 1: eight or ten now of these cases that are at
29:57
Speaker 1: least temporary holds. They're being challenged by the do jay.
30:01
Speaker 1: Are you surprised by that pushback?
30:04
Speaker 2: Well, it's the DC circuit is notorious for having a
30:08
Speaker 2: very far left blias. And when you look at the
30:12
Speaker 2: people close to some of these judges, who are where
30:15
Speaker 2: are they working? Are they working at these NGOs they're
30:18
Speaker 2: getting the other ones getting this money?
30:20
Speaker 3: Does that seem like a system that lacks corruption? It
30:23
Speaker 3: sounds like corruption to me.
30:25
Speaker 1: Last thing, do you guys all see this as a
30:28
Speaker 1: patriotic duty?
30:29
Speaker 3: Is that really what this is about? It's essential?
30:32
Speaker 10: So I do one per I I was running five
30:37
Speaker 10: businesses in Houston and I left that I left great
30:40
Speaker 10: people to do this, and my wonderful wife said go
30:44
Speaker 10: for it, and here I am. But I feel like
30:46
Speaker 10: this is me giving back to the country.
30:48
Speaker 3: If we don't do this, we're sunk the ship.
30:52
Speaker 2: Unless unless just exercise is successful, the ship.
30:55
Speaker 3: Of America will sink. That's why we're doing it.
30:58
Speaker 1: Well, gentlemen, I really appreciate the time today, and hopefully
31:02
Speaker 1: it took some of the myth and mystery out of
31:05
Speaker 1: doge and what's happening behind the scenes.
31:07
Speaker 3: Thank you.
31:09
Speaker 1: We asked on AX your platform for some questions, and
31:14
Speaker 1: here is c.
31:15
Speaker 3: Spurling.
31:16
Speaker 1: He writes, are they happy with the speed at which
31:19
Speaker 1: they're making changes? Are there any changes they would like
31:22
Speaker 1: to make but haven't yet?
31:24
Speaker 2: Well, I think in the context of the government we're
31:27
Speaker 2: moving like lightning. In the context of what I'm used
31:31
Speaker 2: to moving, it's slower than I'd like. So what seems
31:36
Speaker 2: like incredibly fast action I got the standards, is slower
31:40
Speaker 2: than I'd like to be totally, frank but we're all
31:44
Speaker 2: making solid progress.
31:48
Speaker 3: A very sort of.
31:49
Speaker 2: Thorny problem, a tough problem. Really, it's kind of like
31:52
Speaker 2: painful homework. Frankly is reconciling all of the government databases
31:56
Speaker 2: to eliminate the waste and fraud. These databases don't talk
31:59
Speaker 2: to each other, and that's really the source of that's
32:03
Speaker 2: the biggest vulnerability for fraud is the fact that these
32:05
Speaker 2: databases don't talk to each other. So we need to
32:07
Speaker 2: reconcile the databases. It's a frankly painful homework, but it
32:12
Speaker 2: has to be done and we'll greatly improve the efficiency
32:17
Speaker 2: of the government systems.
32:18
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about any plans to approach cuts at
32:20
Speaker 1: the Pentagon.
32:22
Speaker 3: You're in there.
32:23
Speaker 2: The Pentagon has not passing ordits in a very long time.
32:27
Speaker 2: I mean, as crazy as it sounds, they will lose
32:30
Speaker 2: twenty thirty billion dollars a year and they don't know
32:33
Speaker 2: where They literally don't know where it went. I mean,
32:37
Speaker 2: Senator Collins was telling me about how she gave the
32:40
Speaker 2: Navy twelve billion dollars for extra submarines, got zero extra submarines,
32:45
Speaker 2: and then when she held a hearing said where did
32:47
Speaker 2: the twelve billion dollars go?
32:49
Speaker 3: They didn't know.
32:50
Speaker 1: Talking to those guys, and you have a great team
32:52
Speaker 1: from all over the country, you don't have to be here,
32:55
Speaker 1: you don't have to be here. You know, there's now
32:58
Speaker 1: been these many cases of violence vandalism at Tesla dealerships.
33:03
Speaker 1: How does that affect your employees, your customers?
33:06
Speaker 3: What does it mean to you? Like, how have you
33:08
Speaker 3: taken that in Well?
33:10
Speaker 2: I think I think a great wrong is being done
33:12
Speaker 2: to the people of Tesla and to our customers. Tesla
33:15
Speaker 2: is a peaceful company that has made great cars, great products,
33:20
Speaker 2: that's all it's done, hasn't harmed anyone, and yet people
33:24
Speaker 2: are committing violence. They're firebombing Tesla dealerships, they're shooting guns
33:29
Speaker 2: into stores, they're threatening people, they're you know, they're issuing
33:36
Speaker 2: death threats against me and and other test of personnel.
33:40
Speaker 2: What are they doing this for? Why?
33:42
Speaker 3: And what's happening? It seems to me is they're being.
33:45
Speaker 2: Fed propaganda by the far left and they believe it.
33:52
Speaker 2: It's really unfortunate. But the real problem is not not
33:57
Speaker 2: the people. It's not like that the you know, the
34:00
Speaker 2: crazy guy that fire bombs at Tesla dealership. It's the
34:04
Speaker 2: people pushing the propaganda that that caused that guy to
34:08
Speaker 2: do it.
34:11
Speaker 3: Those are the real villains here, and we're going to
34:14
Speaker 3: go after them.
34:15
Speaker 2: And the Presence made it clear we're going to go
34:16
Speaker 2: after them. The ones providing the money, the ones pushing
34:20
Speaker 2: the lies and propaganda.
34:23
Speaker 3: We're going after them. And it's been this evolution.
34:28
Speaker 1: I mean, the last administration was going to mandate electric vehicles,
34:31
Speaker 1: and now you see on the far left some efforts
34:34
Speaker 1: to go after electric vehicles.
34:35
Speaker 3: It's quite something. It is ironic. I mean, it seems
34:40
Speaker 3: like the most ironic outcome is most likely. But yeah,
34:46
Speaker 3: I mean personally, it's got to take a toll. It does.
34:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I think there's some real evil out
34:55
Speaker 2: there and we have to overcome it.
35:00
Speaker 1: I mean, you have been called a Nazi, a white supremacist,
35:03
Speaker 1: a fascist.
35:05
Speaker 3: I mean they've got this sort of a view. Yeah,
35:09
Speaker 3: I mean they've still got it. They haven't. I guess
35:10
Speaker 3: they still needs called me, Stalin, Mussolini, you know whatever,
35:16
Speaker 3: non or whatever.
35:18
Speaker 2: I mean, they've called the president all these things. I
35:21
Speaker 2: think at one point there was a magazine cover which
35:25
Speaker 2: said the president was worse than the president. Trump was
35:28
Speaker 2: worse than Hitler and Mussolini and Stalin combined. The president hasn't.
35:33
Speaker 3: Killed anyone, he hasn't started any wars. In fact, he's
35:36
Speaker 3: good at stopping wars.
35:40
Speaker 2: So this is obviously they're pushing these lies and why
35:44
Speaker 2: do they push these lies? And I think we need
35:47
Speaker 2: to hold people responsible for pushing these lies because those
35:50
Speaker 2: lies almost got the present killed.
35:54
Speaker 1: It's something that people want to know about the president.
35:56
Speaker 1: You're pretty close to him now, you spend a lot
35:58
Speaker 1: of time with them. What's something people wouldn't know.
36:01
Speaker 3: I think the President is a good man. I think
36:04
Speaker 3: he is an honest man.
36:07
Speaker 2: And I have yet to see him do anything mean
36:12
Speaker 2: or anything that is wrong that I would say, Mali wrong,
36:17
Speaker 2: not even once you know.
36:19
Speaker 3: A lot is coming your way.
36:21
Speaker 1: But sometimes you say stuff or post stuff that gets attention,
36:26
Speaker 1: you give it out. In other words, Democratic Arizona Senator
36:29
Speaker 1: Mark Kelly posted on acts about his trip to Ukraine
36:32
Speaker 1: to push for continuing to send US weapons and support there,
36:36
Speaker 1: and you posted that he was a trader.
36:39
Speaker 3: Why I do that? Well, I think somebody should.
36:42
Speaker 2: We should care about the interests of the United States
36:45
Speaker 2: above the interest of another country.
36:48
Speaker 3: And if they don't, they're a trader.
36:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a decorative veteran, a former astronaut, a
36:52
Speaker 1: sitting US senator.
36:55
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it's okay for him to put the
36:58
Speaker 2: interest of another country above.
37:01
Speaker 1: Obviously, there are some Republicans who think supporting Ukraine is
37:05
Speaker 1: the right thing. Still, but there is a battle back
37:07
Speaker 1: and forth about how do you think it comes to
37:09
Speaker 1: an end?
37:14
Speaker 2: Well, I think there will be a negotiated peace. And
37:19
Speaker 2: the thing that we should be concerned about is we
37:22
Speaker 2: should have empathy for the thousands of people that are
37:25
Speaker 2: dying every day in trenches for no movement in the lines.
37:30
Speaker 2: So the borders remained the same for the past two years.
37:33
Speaker 2: Thousands of people have died every week for.
37:36
Speaker 3: Nothing, for what?
37:40
Speaker 2: And I take great offense at those who those who
37:49
Speaker 2: put the appearance of goodness over the reality of it.
37:53
Speaker 2: Those who virtue signal and say, oh, we can't give
37:56
Speaker 2: into Russia, but have no solution to stopping thousand of
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Speaker 2: kids dying every day. They just want that to continue forever.
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Speaker 2: Have contempt for such people. I don't want to make
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Speaker 2: that clear. Yeah, so you're justific because they're butt you signaling,
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Speaker 2: and their lack of a solution means that kids don't
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Speaker 2: have a father. It means that parents lost a son
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Speaker 2: for what.
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Speaker 3: Nothing.
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Speaker 1: To your optimistic that the presidents plan, my work.
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Speaker 2: The present plan is the only thing that will work.
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