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Killers Amongst Us: David Temple beloved coach, murderer? (part 2) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. To the world
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Speaker 1: around them. David and Belinda Temple were the Golden couple.
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Speaker 1: It seems like it's a picture perfect life. So it's
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Speaker 1: not long until they discover they're going to have a
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Speaker 1: baby to really complete that perfect picture. It wasn't long
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Speaker 1: after that that she finds out she's pregnant again. But
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Speaker 1: for Belinda, it was bittersweet when David tells Belinda he's
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Speaker 1: not sure if he still loves her, She's completely devastated.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nitzy Grace and this is Killers amongst Us. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nitzy Grace, Killers amongst Us. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: You know. Joining me right now is or now. Defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: family law specialist Randall Kessler, forensics expert, Professor Forensics at
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic psychiatrist, Joining me out
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Speaker 1: of the Florida jurisdiction doctor Daniel Bober But right now
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Speaker 1: I'm want to go to Katie Times owner in Katie, Texas,
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Speaker 1: Brandy Kelcini with me. It seemed like a dream, the
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Speaker 1: perfect job, a beautiful wife, a baby boy, a happy home.
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Speaker 1: Blenda Temple then finds out she's pregnant with a baby girl,
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Speaker 1: and things seem to be on the right track. But
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Speaker 1: when David tells Belinda he's not sure if he still
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Speaker 1: loves her, she's completely devastating. But then the very next day,
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Speaker 1: David's mood changes. Suddenly he needs new life into the marriage.
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Speaker 1: David came up behind Belinda, wrapped his arms around her,
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Speaker 1: and said, I do love. To Randy Kessler, a renowned
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Speaker 1: family law specialist, why is it that so often people
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Speaker 1: think having a baby can fix the marriage? Man, that
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Speaker 1: is a great question. And you know, if you already
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Speaker 1: have problems, then maybe you shouldn't have children. You know,
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Speaker 1: having children doesn't fix problems, it, you know, I mean
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Speaker 1: we all know it makes life harder. You got more complications.
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Speaker 1: But it's just a terrible thing. Kids don't fix marriages.
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Speaker 1: Marriages and people helped kids. I mean, they're not a solution,
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Speaker 1: They're not a problem. So over their gift to Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, and you
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Speaker 1: have investigated literally thousands of death scenes. But I guarantee
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Speaker 1: you if you went home and told your beautiful wife
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Speaker 1: you don't know if you still loved her, I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure I would be investigating the crime scene myself. Yeah
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Speaker 1: you would. You'd probably have to dislodge the act. It
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Speaker 1: will be buried in the back of my skull, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: you'd be correct in that. Nancy, Well, it's not just
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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober getting your feelings hurt that somebody may
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Speaker 1: not love you. It's it's not just about love. It's
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Speaker 1: not just about romance. By the time you're married and
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Speaker 1: you have one child, another on the way, or in
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Speaker 1: my case, two children at once, you are side by side,
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Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder, creating something bigger than yourself, a family.
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Speaker 1: And love is really not about flowers and a box
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Speaker 1: of chilcolated and romantic getaways. In my mind, it's about
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Speaker 1: someone you can rely on that will be there for
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Speaker 1: you and with you. I mean, look, you know, when
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Speaker 1: you're having your special latte at Starbucks in the morning
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Speaker 1: with a little twist of sentiment or whatever it is
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Speaker 1: you have Bober at quarter of seven, I'm cleaning the
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Speaker 1: guinea pig cage we have at a dog at two
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Speaker 1: guinea pigs twins and my eighty eight year old mother.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, you know who's there to help me,
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Speaker 1: David Lynch. He is there when the Shi two hits
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Speaker 1: the fan, he is there. And in my mind, that's
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Speaker 1: what love really is, a real love. I mean, when
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Speaker 1: I need help, I don't want some you know, pretty
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Speaker 1: boy running across the street for a cigarette. I need
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Speaker 1: somebody what I call a real man that steps up
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Speaker 1: to the play and will hit a home run when necessary.
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Speaker 1: For somebody to say, I don't know if I love you.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like high school. Talk to me like junior high.
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Speaker 1: If you love me, circle yes? If not, circle note,
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Speaker 1: I mean the note passed in class. That sounds so
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Speaker 1: silly to me and unrealistic. Doctor Bober, Yes, you're totally correct,
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Speaker 1: actually to my patience all the time. And I tell them,
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Speaker 1: don't think of love as a feeling, think of love
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Speaker 1: as an action. And love is about being there. Love
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Speaker 1: is about stability and reliability, and you know, knowing that
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Speaker 1: when you wake up the next day, it's going to
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Speaker 1: be the same as the day before. So you're absolutely
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Speaker 1: right now. I'm just that hurts me for her with
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Speaker 1: me Brandy Kioncini, the owner of The Katie Times. She's
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Speaker 1: already had one baby, now another one is on the way,
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Speaker 1: and he jumps up and says he doesn't know if
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Speaker 1: he loves her. What. Yes, it was. It was a
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Speaker 1: very difficult time for Belinda after Evan was born. She
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Speaker 1: had gained some weight and was having trouble losing it.
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Speaker 1: And considering they were both kinesiology majors while they were
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Speaker 1: at SFA, and she had been an aerobics instructor while
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Speaker 1: she lived in an Ecodochius, they were both very, very fit,
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Speaker 1: and this was a hard thing for David to get past,
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Speaker 1: and so their marriage did hit some rocky lay whoa, whoa, Brandy, Brandy, Brandy,
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Speaker 1: you're telling me she gained weight when she had the baby.
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Speaker 1: It was a hard thing for him to get past. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm in big trouble. I am in big trouble. If
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Speaker 1: that's the truth. Take a listen to this. But over
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Speaker 1: the next few months things change for David. Belinda hasn't
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Speaker 1: lost the weight she's gained in pregnancy. David won't settle
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Speaker 1: for anything but the perfect wife, and he lets her
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Speaker 1: know it. David had complained about Belinda's weight in front
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Speaker 1: of other people, including their friends, and he'd been really
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Speaker 1: pretty brutal about it. Belinda's face would fall, she would
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Speaker 1: almost start crying. And she was a very proud, independent,
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Speaker 1: spirited lady. So for her to be that beaten down
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Speaker 1: by a man she still loved and worshiped, it was
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Speaker 1: just terribly sad to hear all those girlfriends know that information.
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Speaker 1: To David, he didn't want a wife that had a
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Speaker 1: few extra pounds. She was breaking a deal. The deal
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Speaker 1: he had with Belinda in his own mind, was that
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Speaker 1: she was to be an extension of him, and when
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Speaker 1: she showed this flaw, it was unacceptable to him. He
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Speaker 1: began to lose interest in Belinda. Some people said that
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Speaker 1: he was upset with her for, in his words, letting
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Speaker 1: herself go. Nothing could make David happy. In my opinion,
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Speaker 1: he always wanted more. I would not say that he
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Speaker 1: was happily married in love, but Belinda was. Wow, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm in big trouble. You know what's interesting, You know,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan, Randy Kessler, doctor Bob or you all
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Speaker 1: know my husband one way or the other. When I
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Speaker 1: look at him, to me, he looks just like it
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Speaker 1: did the first time I ever met him. Now I
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Speaker 1: don't know what that means. Maybe I need glasses, But
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Speaker 1: to me, he's even better than the person I married
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Speaker 1: or the person I met, and it it hurts me
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Speaker 1: to think that her feelings are being hurt. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends over at Scorn. That was the Cole Blackman
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Speaker 1: and Katherine Kasey Kelly Siegler. But that is just the beginning.
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Speaker 1: David drifts further and further away from Belinda. He begins
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Speaker 1: to spend many nights away from home at strip clubs
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Speaker 1: and topless bars. As a football coach, his long hours
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Speaker 1: provide the perfect cover, but soon looking and flirting isn't
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Speaker 1: enough to satisfy David. When many of the coaches went
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Speaker 1: home to their wives and families, Temple was often known
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Speaker 1: to go out to local haunts and try and recruit
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Speaker 1: a female companionship. He was very open about men, and
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Speaker 1: then the following Monday, he sometimes would say the other
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Speaker 1: teachers when one of the other teachers say, helplo, how
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Speaker 1: did you do on Friday night? And David would say,
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Speaker 1: I scored. He was a cheater. When many of the
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Speaker 1: coaches went home to their wives and families. Temple was
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Speaker 1: often known to go out to local haunts and try
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Speaker 1: and recruit a female companionship. He was very open about men.
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Speaker 1: And then the following Monday he sometimes would say to
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Speaker 1: the other teachers when one of the other teachers would say, helplo,
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Speaker 1: how did you do on Friday night? And David would say,
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Speaker 1: I scored. He was a cheater, so he really felt
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Speaker 1: that he should be able to be with whoever he wanted.
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Speaker 1: He didn't put boundaries around his relationship. He wasn't a
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Speaker 1: monogamous kind of guy. He's what a lot of people
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Speaker 1: would call a player. Okay, I don't like that at all.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends over at scorned, okay, doctor Daniel
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Speaker 1: bober Uh No, in Oh, I am not gonna work
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Speaker 1: all day. Feed the guinea pigs, feed the cat, feed
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Speaker 1: the dog, feed my mom, feed the twins, get their
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Speaker 1: clothes ready for school, and make dinner. And in oh,
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Speaker 1: if David Lynch does not come home for dinner after
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Speaker 1: I have made it what I believe to be a
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Speaker 1: gourmet meal, of course, but no, that is like the
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Speaker 1: ultimate diss at the end of a work day, not
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Speaker 1: to bother to come home. Oh, no, mmmmm no, Bober.
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Speaker 1: Well that's because Nancy, you're in you know, a healthy,
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Speaker 1: stable relationship. But when you're you know, with someone and
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Speaker 1: you disrespect your partner, that's how you act. So you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously the way you're doing it is the way it's
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Speaker 1: supposed to be done. Well, you know, Jo's kind of
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Speaker 1: morgan if he is not there to sit with me
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Speaker 1: and the twins and my mom typically to have his
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Speaker 1: uh Captain Morton's fish filet and hiss carrots and green
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Speaker 1: beans and no or the traditional broggle. I've served broccoli
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Speaker 1: so many times the twins now have a nickname for it.
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Speaker 1: It's broggle. And oh, he has got to come home,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Can you even imagine your beautiful wife, she
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Speaker 1: makes your dinner and your son is sitting there at
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Speaker 1: the table and you don't show up. H E L
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Speaker 1: L would break loose at that house. Yeah, it really would.
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Speaker 1: And that's what we call a clue when we begin
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Speaker 1: to dig into cases involving when we you know, when
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Speaker 1: we dig into cases involving infidelity that actually wind up
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Speaker 1: leading to horrible circumstances in the end. So yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's that thread that we look through in all of
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Speaker 1: these cases to find out what actually happened. In other words,
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Speaker 1: what was the genesis of the just absolute destruction that follows.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Randy Kessler, you're the family Lost specialists. You
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Speaker 1: have represented more divorces and you can probably count. One
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Speaker 1: of the happiest sights in my life is when I
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Speaker 1: see David pull up and in each arm he's got
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Speaker 1: a grocery bag full of broccoli. Okay, forget red roses,
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Speaker 1: bring on the broggle because so I guess what we're
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Speaker 1: saying is if you don't show up for dinner, there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a murder, because it's what we're saying. But
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Speaker 1: you know, all joking aside, Randy Kessler, have you read
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Speaker 1: all of those studies that show, depending on the night,
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Speaker 1: the number of nights that you sit down with your
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Speaker 1: family to eat dinner, regardless of the scenario, the more
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Speaker 1: nights a week you are together as a family at
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Speaker 1: supper time, the more likely your children are going to
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Speaker 1: be stable. They're going to have less problems at school,
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Speaker 1: they're going to more likely than not go to college
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Speaker 1: and be successful. Now, I don't know what the broccoli
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Speaker 1: the broggle has to do with the getting into college.
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Speaker 1: But the studies, the statistics are not lying. Randy. This
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Speaker 1: is a major disc for him not to show up
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Speaker 1: at dena. It is. And look, a lot of people
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Speaker 1: think that stuff doesn't make sense, and it doesn't and
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Speaker 1: it's silly, but it's not silly. And you know, at
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Speaker 1: another level, we talked about reconciliation and your marriage isn't
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Speaker 1: good and you get back in and you jump in
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Speaker 1: bed for one night and you know you talked. We
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Speaker 1: talked earlier about that as being you know, reconciliation. But
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Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is what everyone finds in
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Speaker 1: family laws. Reconciliation is doing those things together, going to
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Speaker 1: the grocery store together, holding hands, talking about day's events.
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Speaker 1: You know, what breaks up marriage is is not the
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Speaker 1: sex with somebody else. That's the having the emotional attachment
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Speaker 1: to someone else and not having it at home. Well, whoa, whoa,
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Speaker 1: whoa why Wait a minute, wait a minute. What breaks
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Speaker 1: up at marriage is not the sex with somebody else,
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Speaker 1: because to hold on, I'd be looking for my hatchet
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Speaker 1: right there. But it wasn't all about not showing up
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Speaker 1: for dinner. We Linda knows that something is not right
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Speaker 1: with her marriage and she's afraid of what it might be.
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Speaker 1: She did say she suspected that maybe something was going
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Speaker 1: on about him seeing someone, but I don't think Blenda
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Speaker 1: wanted to admit to this. I think she was hoping
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Speaker 1: that it was for good reasons that he wasn't coming
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Speaker 1: home on time. But all that changes when she discovers
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Speaker 1: his credit card receipts from the strip clubs b Linda
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Speaker 1: immediately confronts David, and he has a shallow excuse. He says,
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Speaker 1: it's friends consoling a friend. She was upset by it,
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Speaker 1: but she just kind of said, you know, he's helping
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Speaker 1: friends out. He's trying to be a good friend, trying
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Speaker 1: to listen, and I just let it go. Trying to listen.
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Speaker 1: That's Nicole Blackman over at Scorn, trying to be a
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Speaker 1: good friend to who a stripper. Well, she knows something
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Speaker 1: is wrong, but she doesn't know quite what. And then
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Speaker 1: here is the icing on top of the cake. David
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Speaker 1: turns the tables on Belinda and decides to put an
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Speaker 1: end to her snooping. He said that he wanted his
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Speaker 1: own checking account, that he didn't want her sing his
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Speaker 1: bills any longer. The finances in a relationship, reveal a
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Speaker 1: truth about what's going on between a couple. And David
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Speaker 1: made a very clear message when he said, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to open up my own checking account so I could
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Speaker 1: basically lie and do whatever I want without you noticing. Wow,
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Speaker 1: our friends at scoring at doctor Robbie Ludwig. You know
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Speaker 1: I tried one time, Brandy kean Cini with me, the
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Speaker 1: owner of the Katie Times, I tried to snoop on David.
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Speaker 1: I got into his computer and started reading his emails.
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Speaker 1: They were so boring. I thought my head was going
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Speaker 1: to blow off. It was one business deal after the next,
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Speaker 1: after the next. In I tried to look at his texts,
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Speaker 1: same thing. I don't even want to look at his
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Speaker 1: credit card or his checking account. Oh, just the thought
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Speaker 1: of it. But can you imagine, Belinda, snooping I guess
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Speaker 1: you could call it looking through his credit cards and
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Speaker 1: is checking out, trying to checking accout, trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out what's happening. That's a horrible way to live when
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Speaker 1: you've got to you feel that you have to go
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Speaker 1: through somebody's credit card and checks to find out what
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Speaker 1: they're doing. By all accounts, Belinda absolutely love David completely
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Speaker 1: and thoroughly, and I'm sure that it was a very
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Speaker 1: difficult thing for her to be faced with the idea
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Speaker 1: that he might have been somewhere that it would not
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Speaker 1: be expected for a married man. And a lot of
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Speaker 1: times women just don't want and so they want to
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Speaker 1: believe what their spouse tells them, and we'll go along
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Speaker 1: with it until it's either right in their face and
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Speaker 1: they have no choice but to deal with it, or
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Speaker 1: they're ready to deal with it on their own. And
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Speaker 1: she loved him so much that she wanted to believe him,
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Speaker 1: and so apparently she did. Belinda Temple sees her marriage
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Speaker 1: falling apart. By the end of nineteen ninety eight, David
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Speaker 1: starts taking serious risks in his marriage. He announces to
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Speaker 1: Belinda that he won't be spending the New Year's holiday
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Speaker 1: with her. Blinda had said that she wanted to spend
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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve with him, but he decided to go
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Speaker 1: honey And we thought that was odd because Blinda was
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Speaker 1: due with her baby within a month or so, and
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Speaker 1: sometimes you come early. Belinda and David argue over his
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Speaker 1: planned trip. She's very upset. They get into a little
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Speaker 1: argument about it because she didn't want him to go,
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Speaker 1: and he just told her I'm going hunting. So he
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Speaker 1: packed up his guns and left on New Year's Eve
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Speaker 1: to go off hunting. Didn't give her any details. But
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Speaker 1: David's story about a hunting trip is just another layer
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Speaker 1: of deception. When your husband announces that he's not going
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Speaker 1: to be with you and you're seven eight nine months
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Speaker 1: pregnant over New Year's you have a problem. Warning red
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Speaker 1: bell of alarm, warning, welcome back everybody. I mean, see
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Speaker 1: Grace and this is killers amongst us. What exactly was
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Speaker 1: going wrong with the Temple marriage? Now we know that
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Speaker 1: Belinda suspected David Temple was having affairs, but I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you when real trouble hit town. It was that fall. Listen. Then,
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Speaker 1: in late August of nineteen ninety eight, David begins a
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Speaker 1: new year at Hastings High School and the teacher's lounge
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Speaker 1: is live en up by a stunning new addition to
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Speaker 1: the faculty, an English teacher named Heather. Heather's a beautiful lady.
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Speaker 1: Probably a lot of the guys talked about how pretty
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Speaker 1: she was. It doesn't take long for the new teacher
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Speaker 1: to fit right in with the schools All boys club.
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Speaker 1: Heather was known around Hastings amongst the parents and the
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Speaker 1: staff as being sort of a football coach groupie. She
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Speaker 1: liked hanging around with those guys and spending time with them.
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Speaker 1: I think Heather was flirtatious with a lot of the coaches,
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Speaker 1: a lot of the men, male teachers out there. She
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Speaker 1: did a good job of dangling a few of them
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Speaker 1: at the same time for quite a while. But David
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Speaker 1: Temple is used to coming out on top in every
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Speaker 1: situation and winning Heather's attention is the perfect challenge. I
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Speaker 1: don't think David Temple ever lost anything or any girl,
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Speaker 1: or any game or anything in his whole life. David's
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Speaker 1: very competitive and if there was a prize, he wanted
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Speaker 1: to get it, and Heather this time was the prize. Wow,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing scorned love kills. That was Nicole Blackman, along
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Speaker 1: with Kelly Siegler and doctor Robbie Ludwig joining me right now,
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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, defense lawyer, family law specialist, Brandy Keimcini, Katie Times,
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Speaker 1: owner detective, author of Outside Your Door, Steve Lampley at
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Speaker 1: Steven Lampley dot com, psychotherapist and author of Till Death
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Speaker 1: Do Us Part and you Can see her on Talking
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Speaker 1: Live with Doctor Robbie Ludwig on Facebook Watch. Also death
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Speaker 1: investigator for ensc's Expert Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet and very Special guest, the author of
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Speaker 1: Shattered on Amazon. Katherine Casey Catherine Casey. The marriage of
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Speaker 1: Belinda and David Temple was already in trouble. Many people
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Speaker 1: believe that when you have a baby, you can fix
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Speaker 1: the marriage. What do you think was the turning point
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Speaker 1: in their relationship when it was beyond repair? You know,
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Speaker 1: I think that summer had been really bad, Nancy. They
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Speaker 1: hadn't talked for about six weeks, and at one point
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Speaker 1: Belinda asked David, do you still love me? And he said,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. And then that fall when he walked
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Speaker 1: into school and met Heather and got into kind of
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Speaker 1: a tee to tea with her along with one of
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Speaker 1: the other coaches, and it was kind of this self
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Speaker 1: cirtaceous triangle going on and his you know, just the
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Speaker 1: whole competitive thing got going. Things very quickly spun out
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Speaker 1: of control. You know, it kind of feels doctor Robbie Ludwig,
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Speaker 1: like it was a powder keg. And this new teacher
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Speaker 1: Heather just really lit the fuse. That's just all it
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Speaker 1: took was a new woman. I mean, I'm convinced there
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Speaker 1: have been many, many other women, but for some reason,
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Speaker 1: that was the tipping point, Doctor Robbie. Yes. And sometimes
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Speaker 1: there's a quiet desperation that can go on within long
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Speaker 1: term relationships or marriages, and the thought process isn't quite conquertized,
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Speaker 1: and then there's this new person that arrives and it
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Speaker 1: triggers all these chemicals and it's almost like a high,
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Speaker 1: and the other person becomes like a drug. And this
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Speaker 1: appears to be the answer to a better life or
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Speaker 1: to the life that this husband in this case, David
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Speaker 1: felt he really deserved to live. But Randy Keesser, you're
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Speaker 1: the family laws specialist. You've probably handle more divorces and
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Speaker 1: you can count. I mean, in my mind, Heather was
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Speaker 1: just one of many. She was just one in the
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Speaker 1: hint parade for him, right. So, I mean, if you
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Speaker 1: want to check the box and say he's a bad guy,
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Speaker 1: he checks that box. While that box is definitely checked,
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Speaker 1: you know, to Steve Lampley, you're the detective author of
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Speaker 1: Outside Your Door. I mean I would bet then, in
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Speaker 1: addition to major felonies. A large part of your detective
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Speaker 1: or spouses that are suspicious their husband or wife's having
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Speaker 1: an affair, And really all you have to do is
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Speaker 1: look at the cell phone, unless they've got a burner
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Speaker 1: phone or a secret cell phone like Scott Peterson did.
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Speaker 1: If David Lynch walked in the house and I found
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Speaker 1: out there was another cell phone, oh there would be
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Speaker 1: h double l to pay. Long story short, a secret
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Speaker 1: cell phone, or look at credit card records or bank
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Speaker 1: withdrawals if you're that suspicious. I mean, I told you
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Speaker 1: what happened, Steve Lampley. When I tried to surreptitiously ready
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Speaker 1: David's emails, my head nearly blew off. They were so boring.
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Speaker 1: I mean, oh so I never did that again. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know why I started in the first place.
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Speaker 1: But Steve Lampley, there are a lot of ways to
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Speaker 1: figure out. I don't want you to give away trade secrets.
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Speaker 1: So Brandy Kinsini she had to know Belinda that he
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Speaker 1: was having an affair, and then Heather just ignites the flame. Well,
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Speaker 1: by all accounts, Belinda had made come to several friends
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Speaker 1: that she thought that David might be having an affair
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Speaker 1: then she would go back and say, no, everything's fine.
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Speaker 1: So it is possible that she absolutely did know, but
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Speaker 1: she didn't want to believe it and wasn't quite ready
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Speaker 1: to deal with it. She was pregnant, and when you
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Speaker 1: are pregnant, you are thinking towards the future, not necessarily
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Speaker 1: thinking that your husband might be having this fair Wow,
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Speaker 1: and Robbie Ludwig, you've been through it so many times,
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Speaker 1: of course, not in your own marriage, but dealing with
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Speaker 1: it as a psychotherapist. There are so many red flags.
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Speaker 1: There are red flags, and then there's denial, and sometimes
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Speaker 1: couples feel that they can get through it, and sometimes
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Speaker 1: they actually can. So there are a lot of different factors.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of different reasons why
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Speaker 1: people choose to stay with a partner. But it's sounds
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Speaker 1: like on some level, you know, this woman knew that
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Speaker 1: she was losing her husband in some way. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I would I could really call it losing,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I couldn't ditch him fast enough based
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Speaker 1: on the way he was acting. But and I don't
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Speaker 1: want to come down on her because a lot of times,
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Speaker 1: as Brandy Kieroncini, the owner of the Katie Times pointed out,
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Speaker 1: sometimes you don't want to know. You put on blinders
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Speaker 1: and you don't want to know a baby's coming. You've
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Speaker 1: already got one son, but there's no doubt about it. Listen. Soon,
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Speaker 1: Heather becomes a regular at the Coach's weekly happy hour
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Speaker 1: at the local bar. David spends more and more time
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Speaker 1: talking to her alone. They were spending a lot of
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Speaker 1: time kind of segueing off on their own, separate from
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Speaker 1: the group, and people started to look at them like
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Speaker 1: they were kind of a couple. There were a lot
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Speaker 1: of people who didn't actually know that David was married.
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Speaker 1: The romance escalates, Heather invites David over to her apartment
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Speaker 1: and the relationship goes from exciting flirtation to a full
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Speaker 1: blown erotic affair behind David's pregnant wife's back. When I
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Speaker 1: learned he was having an affair, I was not surprised
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Speaker 1: at all. David is completely caught up in the exciting
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Speaker 1: and beautiful English teacher, and she feels the same way.
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Speaker 1: They were both lusting after each other, almost addicted to
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Speaker 1: one another. They couldn't stay away, they didn't want to
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Speaker 1: stay away. They were each other's drop. David temple cheating,
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Speaker 1: and even worse, cheating openly with a new hot teacher
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Speaker 1: at his own school, where he's a chief football coach.
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Speaker 1: No one could foresee what happened next. Nancy Grace killers,
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