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Detroit Tigers Demonize The Angels · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Curiostick.
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  Speaker 1: We got Cody Stavenhangen, we got Austin Jackson, and we
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  Speaker 1: got a team, guys that we got to talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: Is a the talk of baseball. The best team in
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  Speaker 2: the American League, the hottest team of the league. What
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  Speaker 2: a weekend over there in Los Angeles of Anaheim against
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  Speaker 2: the Angels. Man the bats came alive. A couple defensive
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  Speaker 2: plays too that we're gonna get to thirty four and
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  Speaker 2: eleven unless my math is wrong, outscoring the Angels over
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  Speaker 2: a four game set, and some dominant pitching there as well. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know where to start. There
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of fun places there. What do you
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  Speaker 2: guys think? What was the thing that stood out this
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  Speaker 2: weekend over against the Angels.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to let you go first.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I hate to make this the takeaway because
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  Speaker 4: the Tigers had a great weekend, but it's like the
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  Speaker 4: Angels are in a rough spot. They're pitching is not
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  Speaker 4: great and Ron Washington, Look, I have a lot of
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  Speaker 4: respect for Ron Washington, this guy's a great manager. But
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  Speaker 4: the contrast and styles between him and AJ Hinch is
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  Speaker 4: just kind of funny to watch, you know, Washing just
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  Speaker 4: like out of the left, he was gonna get the
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  Speaker 4: whole seventh no matter what. It's like Kenley Jansen hadn't
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  Speaker 4: thrown in twelve days and came out and looked like
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  Speaker 4: a guy who hadn't thrown in twelve days. And there
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  Speaker 4: were some spots where AJ definitely had the matchups he wanted.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think Wash was that worried about it
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  Speaker 4: because he's just like trying to develop something with kind
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  Speaker 4: of the mixed match of talent and just kind of
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  Speaker 4: spare parts they have over there. So there's two teams
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  Speaker 4: in really different places, and you know, the Angels got
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  Speaker 4: one in that series, but otherwise the Tigers kind of
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  Speaker 4: put it on him.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, the Tigers are hot right now. Like listen, this
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  Speaker 3: team is. This is a good baseball team. Like I'm
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  Speaker 3: tired of the wishy, washy fans, the haters that I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna trigger somebody today. Okay, I'm gonna trigger somebody because
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  Speaker 3: I'm tired of the fans or the haters that are
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  Speaker 3: sitting around waiting on the Tigers to fail. Right, well, watch, Ernest,
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you they're gonna fail. Watch it you're that
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  Speaker 3: I told you so? Person Like you're waiting around so
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  Speaker 3: you could be like I told you so. Look, I
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  Speaker 3: know you they were gonna struggle. Look, let's see if
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  Speaker 3: they do that in July. Well, then they do it
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  Speaker 3: in July, then you're gonna say, well all out, like
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  Speaker 3: what what do you want? Like what baseball are you watching? That?
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  Speaker 3: You're not seeing what we're seeing. You know, the the
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  Speaker 3: this is not a fluke. These guys are a solid
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  Speaker 3: baseball team. And that's what like, that's what drives me
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  Speaker 3: crazy because it's like, you don't believe it. These other
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  Speaker 3: teams believe it. You know they're not. They're not sitting
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  Speaker 3: around wanting to just face the Tigers right now. These
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  Speaker 3: these guys are hot and don't get me wrong, like,
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  Speaker 3: there there will be a down moment with them. They
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  Speaker 3: will hit a bump in the road, right, But but
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  Speaker 3: that that's what we kind of want to see so
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  Speaker 3: we can see how they respond. That is gonna be
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  Speaker 3: the identity of this team when they do hit that
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  Speaker 3: bump in the road, how are they gonna respond? But
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  Speaker 3: right now they're playing ball, and you gotta respect that.
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  Speaker 3: You have to respect this team is clicking on all cylinders. Well,
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  Speaker 3: they don't have three hundred hitters, and they don't have
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  Speaker 3: guys that are drive in one hundred runs. I don't
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  Speaker 3: care about that. Give me two forties and two fifties,
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  Speaker 3: two sixty five guys that can drive in fifty plus,
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  Speaker 3: hit ten to fifteen plus. You got a whole bunch
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  Speaker 3: of guys who can do that. And I can plug
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  Speaker 3: you in, Ajkim, just plug guys in at wherever. No
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  Speaker 3: drop off in production. You still got guys still executing.
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  Speaker 3: That's the squad. That's a squad that you want out there.
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  Speaker 3: So all this extras about sitting around waiting for the
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  Speaker 3: Tigers to fail, just wait, just wait, And if they
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  Speaker 3: mess around and make the playoffs and go well, win
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  Speaker 3: a World series. If they win the World Series, you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna say you're gonna steel Say, well, that's fluky, I
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  Speaker 3: don't believe. I ain't do it again. No, you just
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  Speaker 3: see you wrong. Just say you wrong. And that this
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  Speaker 3: team is legit, that these numbers are legit, this record
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  Speaker 3: is legit. You know you if it was the if
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  Speaker 3: it was the Yankees or the Dodgers doing it. You'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, well, oh, yep, see, well we took care
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  Speaker 3: of one of them teams, and we were right there
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  Speaker 3: in the series with the other one. We got jumped
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  Speaker 3: in first first series of the season. We're in your hometown,
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  Speaker 3: everybody all hyped up. You ain't gonna do scooping like
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  Speaker 3: that again. I'm gonna tell you that. Right now, you
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  Speaker 3: face that man again. I'm sureing he gonna be on it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying that that that just wait, just mark my words,
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  Speaker 3: and he gonna be on He's gonna have more information
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  Speaker 3: on these guys. He gonna go out there and he
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  Speaker 3: might not give up a hit. But I like where
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  Speaker 3: this team is at. I keep saying it because you know,
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  Speaker 3: if I look at the roster, yeah, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: a lot of those guys, but I'm starting to know
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  Speaker 3: who they are. Now. You got guys that are trying
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  Speaker 3: to prove themselves, Guys that are trying to redeem themselves.
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  Speaker 3: They got something to play for. They not just stepping
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  Speaker 3: out there that they made the playoffs last year. They
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  Speaker 3: want to do that again. They don't want to go
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  Speaker 3: under that. These guys are fighting to keep going up.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't see how this team isn't looked at
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  Speaker 3: as one of the best if. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 3: there's there's real baseball people that are like, no, this
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  Speaker 3: is legit, but there's still some haters out there who
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  Speaker 3: just don't believe it. And I don't understand why this
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  Speaker 3: team is legit. They hot right now. I told you,
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  Speaker 3: right Riley gonna start clapping, he clapping, and this is
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about, Oh well the Angels or this
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  Speaker 3: and that. If they would have lost to the Angels,
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  Speaker 3: everybody would have been like, oh see, I told you
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  Speaker 3: they weren't that good. They went there, they thump the Angels.
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  Speaker 3: They did what they were supposed to do. They proved
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  Speaker 3: they ain't on our level. You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: That's what you're supposed to do to teams like that.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all ain't on our level. We're not even gonna give
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  Speaker 3: you a shot. We gave you one, you ain't getting another.
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  Speaker 3: The team is hot right now. You want to see
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  Speaker 3: how this team responds when they do hit a little
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  Speaker 3: bump in the road. You want to see that this
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  Speaker 3: team has enough depth in the bullpen to finish those games. Off.
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  Speaker 3: You want to see that this team is always in
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  Speaker 3: a in a position to win at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the game, or putting himself in a position to win
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the game. And that's what we've
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  Speaker 3: been seeing. The boys are HoTT. I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 3: a like a big brother trying to protect my little
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  Speaker 3: brother right now. Play with me, man, don't don't try
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  Speaker 3: to come at me either. Come at me if you
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  Speaker 3: want to. I don't care. My career over with you.
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  Speaker 3: Look by the numbers up fine, I don't care, do it? Hey,
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  Speaker 3: you find at least I had a career. You feel me,
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  Speaker 3: I don't care what Let's go. I'm sorry. I got
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  Speaker 3: me mad man, he got me hot. You have to
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  Speaker 3: protect this house, you feel me?
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, like that was awesome by the way. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we should just end it there, but we
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  Speaker 1: gotta feel a little bit more time. There's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things to kind of further, you know, go down
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  Speaker 1: the rabbit hole. A little bit of what Austin's feeling
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  Speaker 1: is that Number One, the Tigers are at a level
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  Speaker 1: of good. I guess that they're starting to get like
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  Speaker 1: more kind of like national headlines. They're getting a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more segments on the on the TV, on the
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  Speaker 1: MLB network, the espns of the world, you know, John Boy,
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  Speaker 1: all those all that stuff, and that's all well and good,
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  Speaker 1: but they're coming at it from a new perspective. So
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  Speaker 1: like the people that listen to this podcast, I imagine
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  Speaker 1: are annoyed with the way that the national media will
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  Speaker 1: talk about Detroit because they're gonna be talking about things
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  Speaker 1: that we've been talking about for years. And that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the national job to be up to date
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  Speaker 1: on every single team, especially ones that hadn't been that good.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing about what Austin said about, like, we'll see
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  Speaker 1: how this team responds when you know they aren't so
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  Speaker 1: hot right now as they are right now. Uh, there's
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  Speaker 1: a high level of confidence that I have that they'll
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  Speaker 1: respond well because the majority the benefits of having a
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  Speaker 1: team that grows up together. The majority of these guys
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  Speaker 1: have had some pretty major major league disappointments, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: losing seasons, losing streaks, getting demoted. Special Torkelsen got himself
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  Speaker 1: ten home runs. Guess what he was demoted last last year?
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  Speaker 1: Guess what he was demoted two years prior to that.
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  Speaker 1: The guy who's been through the ups and downs of
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  Speaker 1: the major leagues, right Hoavier Bias that we'll talk about more,
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  Speaker 1: has obviously had experienced all the emotions that comes with
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  Speaker 1: being a major league ball player. So like, how will
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  Speaker 1: they respond? I mean, I think they're gonna respond pretty
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  Speaker 1: well because how they got here is how they've been
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  Speaker 1: able to respond to all that disappointment. And the last
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  Speaker 1: point I wanted to make and then you know, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: you can kind of take this in whatever direction you
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  Speaker 1: would like, is that the way this team operates. Number One,
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  Speaker 1: it can only happen after going through all those ups
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  Speaker 1: and downs that we had just discussed over the past
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  Speaker 1: couple of years and having some organizational continuity, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of message people that kind of thing. Number Two,
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  Speaker 1: like the attitude that they play with. I came up
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  Speaker 1: with this over the weekend. It's like, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're the opponent, you can wear your major league uniform,
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  Speaker 1: you can take your batting practice, you can come on
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  Speaker 1: the field with us, but you're not gonna play with us,
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  Speaker 1: Like like you're just not like you're gonna play against us,
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  Speaker 1: but you're not gonna play with us because we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do our thing, and the majority of time it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: result in in us coming out on top. I remember
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  Speaker 1: it's a Joe Dumar's quote that came to mind. It
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, back in the bad Boy days,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you know, we're gonna come out in
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  Speaker 1: the court, We're gonna do our thing four to eight minutes.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna lose, and you're gonna have to accept it.
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  Speaker 1: And I kind of feel like that's that that that's
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  Speaker 1: the attitude that the Tigers play with. So all things
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  Speaker 1: are rosy right now, fired up rosie right now in
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  Speaker 1: the case of some people. But but Cody, what do
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  Speaker 1: you kind of what do you kind of make up
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  Speaker 1: of like us? And I kind of given them some
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  Speaker 1: theories there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Tigers did enter Monday with the best run
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  Speaker 4: differential in all of baseball. Run differential is not perfect,
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  Speaker 4: but it's a pretty good predictive stat. Last year, the
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  Speaker 4: Kansas City Royals got off to a really hot start
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  Speaker 4: and I was kind of like, really, like really the
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  Speaker 4: real and people are like, well, we'll get their run
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  Speaker 4: differential and Kindessey slowed down a little bit, but that
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  Speaker 4: was still a playoff team. The Tigers are beating the
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  Speaker 4: teams they're supposed to be. They're putting up runs. Even
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  Speaker 4: if things do smooth out, even if this doesn't end
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  Speaker 4: up being a top seven or eight offense like it
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  Speaker 4: is right now, the pitching is strong enough, the run
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  Speaker 4: differential is a pretty good indicator that these dudes are
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  Speaker 4: for real.
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  Speaker 1: And then we're going to get to an example perhaps
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  Speaker 1: of the front office looking at it as these dudes
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here. You know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times when Cody and I like discuss personnel aspects of
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  Speaker 1: the team, we we always try to like put it
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  Speaker 1: under the cloak of like, this is just the reality
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  Speaker 1: of the situation, whether you like it or not, this
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  Speaker 1: is the reality situation financially, you know, team construction wise,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, blah blah blah and that, and that was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the Kent Tomata conversation. Uh really, since
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  Speaker 1: since he's been on the ball, club is signing that
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  Speaker 1: in the spirit of fairness, Cody and I both you know,
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  Speaker 1: thought was pretty solid signing at the time. And and
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  Speaker 1: obviously he as everybody knows, he was DF eight on Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't had a chance to talk about it yet.
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  Speaker 1: Uh to me. Now, look, he was in the last
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  Speaker 1: year of his contract, so that's part of it, but
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  Speaker 1: it was still a decent amount of change for a
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  Speaker 1: front office and ownership group that didn't really seem up
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  Speaker 1: to this point, I have a whole lot of desire
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  Speaker 1: to just like tell guys to go away and pay
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  Speaker 1: them for nothing. Uh so they're not good. This is
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  Speaker 1: not This is not an aspect of us trying to
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  Speaker 1: stomp on the grave of Kenta Maata. But I did
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  Speaker 1: think it did give us a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: glimpse into how the front office, in conjunction with aj
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  Speaker 1: Hinch kind of viewed the situation and then decided to
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  Speaker 1: move on. Because at a certain point, Maida was really
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like the pitching cigar, Like when he
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  Speaker 1: was in the game, it was kind of over in
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  Speaker 1: one way or another, it seemed like it was over.
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  Speaker 1: And again I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm really not,
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  Speaker 1: but like he wasn't getting in any leverage situations and
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  Speaker 1: he was being used few and far in between. So
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point it became a what's the best
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  Speaker 1: use of this roster spot and especially in a pitching rotation,
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  Speaker 1: and Scott Harris, Chrisilch, aj Hinch, they decided to move on.
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  Speaker 1: So my question for you, Cody is would this happen
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, Would this happen in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, or at this point in twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: because I kind of say, eh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the answer is a pretty hard no
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  Speaker 4: for me, at least not this early in the season.
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  Speaker 4: I think they would have kept trying. Now obviously there
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  Speaker 4: wasn't if he was even showing you some sign of life,
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  Speaker 4: if you thought, you know, okay, his velo is good,
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  Speaker 4: he's just not locating well, well, the location was bad,
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  Speaker 4: the villo was bad, the secondary stuff was bad. I
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  Speaker 4: know people didn't like it when we talked with some
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  Speaker 4: optimism about my Aida in the spring, and that's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously we were wrong. But my Ida was throwing ninety
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  Speaker 4: two in the spring, and he was throwing strikes and
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  Speaker 4: he wasn't walking guys on the splitter was nasty, and
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  Speaker 4: he got to the regular season and just none of
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  Speaker 4: that translated. Aj Hinch pretty good at I think sending
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  Speaker 4: some messages to the front office with how he manages. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: if you're gonna leave this guy on the roster, I'm
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  Speaker 4: just not gonna use him. And over time it became
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  Speaker 4: pretty clear, like you said he was in that victory
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  Speaker 4: cigar role, he wasn't used a lot when the bullpen
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  Speaker 4: was a little bit taxed. That really shone through, Like
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  Speaker 4: instead of a seven man bullpen, it felt like a
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  Speaker 4: six man bullpen. A little bit of a big boy
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  Speaker 4: move I think from the Tigers, from Scott Harris for
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  Speaker 4: being able to kind of swallow the pride here. I
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  Speaker 4: got this one wrong. We talked about the run differential
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  Speaker 4: thing earlier, Like I think this shows you the Tigers
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  Speaker 4: are trying to stack every win they can right now,
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  Speaker 4: knowing everyone can matter whether that's for playoffs or seating
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  Speaker 4: or division or whatever. By the end of the year.
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  Speaker 4: Getting rid of my heid up, freshening up your bullpen
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  Speaker 4: a little bit, that that's a sign of a team
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  Speaker 4: that's taking things seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just you know, to add to that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like when you're not getting it done, you're not
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  Speaker 3: getting it done. You know, hopefully you can get that
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  Speaker 3: started somewhere else. You know that that process of getting
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  Speaker 3: back on. But it's just not here. And that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's the realness of it. You know, it sounds harsh,
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  Speaker 3: but when you've got a team playing as well as
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers, you know, they they need all their pieces
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  Speaker 3: to be fitting. And when it's not, you have a
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  Speaker 3: piece that's not fitting, it's just better to just move
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  Speaker 3: on from it. You eat that, eat that salary. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that that's not the fun part of it. But at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, you you you you do
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: what's best for your team, and you see that it
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: wasn't working, and you know, you got to make some changes.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: They're hard changes. You know, you love the guy, the
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: fans love them, everybody loves them, but that love can
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: only go so far at the end of the day
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: if it's gonna if it's not gonna, you know, if
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna contribute to where this team is going.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: That's just how it is. That's how this game is.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a it's a cutthroat type game. But
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's a business and
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: they made a business decision. You know, they didn't let
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: the you know, it wasn't an emotional decision. It was
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: It was definitely a business decision that probably need to
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: be made, and they they made it at a time
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: to where it was like, hey, we got to keep
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: these things rolling. We gotta we gotta, you know, get
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: another piece in here. Uh, you know that that can
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: can help this team win and stay on the trajectory
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: that that it's at right now.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think there's like there's an element of like,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: you know, no offense to Cody, but like AJ can
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: lie to Cody, and and and they and they can
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: lie to and they can lie to the fans, you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: but but you can't lie to your players, like like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: and and Austin. I I imagine that like if if
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a guy just doesn't have it. And again I'm not
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: even trying to be specific about Kenta, because I'll be
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I thought this was a conversation we were
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: gonna have in the spring or even by this time
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: of the year about one hobby or bias where it's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: just like, well, eventually, if a guy just doesn't have it,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: how do you kind of keep like a team cohesive
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: and together? And I guess for a picture, it's like man,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: when he's coming in and you know, how good or
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: not so good he's done every time, Like eventually, you
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta do what's best. You say, it's
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: a business, another way of saying that you gotta do
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: it's best for the other twenty five guys that are
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: on that roster, plus the coaches and you know, everybody
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: else on staff and whatnot, because that's really it's not
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: just like a one person thing that you got to
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: keep in account and again, like that's how you lose
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: in just in general, that's how you look clubhouses when
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you keep putting some people out there that are not
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: good enough. You see what I'm saying. So yeah, so yeah,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: so so yeah, it's an accountability thing all all around,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you know, and and and and I think it's again
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: another example of of things, you know, being being very
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: very serious. Uh let's let's go to a little bit
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: of a lighter note here. Uh talk about school ball,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: talked about uh, you know, Austin being fired up. When
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: when when Zach Netto and school Well had their little
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: shouting match. So my first thought was Zach should have
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: been more like Austin when he hit the leadoff home
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: run against CC where it's just like head down and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: not looking at him like not gonna not gonna fire
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: him up, you know, like I like and by the way,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: credits to Meto for not backing down and all that stuff.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Like I thought it was all great. But also if
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I was like the next batter, I'd probably be like, hey,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: can you not piss off arrk school right before I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: come up to the plate.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: So I love Zach and tear John a little bit,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: but did the benches have to empty over that? Like
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: that was nothing like come on.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Nah man, that was listen. You gotta be able to
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: talk a little bit of trash like without it being
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: this big old commotion like like it wasn't like he
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, go sit down, Like it was like, yeah, yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: you thought you was gonna get me up there again,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: go sit down? Yeah that's it, Like that's what you like, Okay,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I got you already. Yeah, but that this time, sit
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: down like just a little trash talk between like you
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: want to see that, you know, And this is what
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know if I saw correctly with seeing
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Schoogles do this, I don't know why he was, Like
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know who he was doing that at. I'm like,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: now I don't.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Even do that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Nah nah, go sit down. It wasn't even about benches
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: needing to clear. We're not about to box, We're not
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: doing any of that. It's just a little trash talk,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: you know, to let you know, nah, bro, you not,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: you ain't doing that again. You you jump me, you
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: jump me, just like I jumped CC. I jumped the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: first pitch, you know what I'm saying. And then I
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: seen him look down at his cleets and he was like, yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: that ain't that ain't happening, And what do you do?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: He took care of business. That's what I'm saying. Like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: that's just part of the game. And you got you
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: gotta enjoy this trash talk between players. It's fun. It
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: just it keeps the game exciting. These boys are amped up, man,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: they putting it all on the line. You worked so
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: hard to get in these type of games and to
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: be able to like get that match up again. You
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: know you got me, you got me. Let's see if
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: you can get me again. And then when I get you,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, uh huh, I went up there again.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: You can't get you can't get to it. So you
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: caught me when I was sleeping now I'm up. You
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: woke me up here it is let's go. I loved it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I just like you said, Bench is clearing that. Ain't
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: that ain't nothing, man, That's part of the game. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: love to see it. I love to see guys, you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: show some emotion, show some emotion.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think you need to get all up and
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: you know, get all up and emotional about it. I
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: love to see that. But I don't. Ain't no, ain't
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: none of this next time. Nah, I met that. I
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: meant that the truck. When you come back again, you're
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: gonna you're gonna be exited left again. Let's go. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: love it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, Like fans just want to see people,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: you know, players that care, and they obviously both like
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you know, cared in that moment, and that's okay, that's okay.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Like I don't, I don't. It's not an anti thing.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know what Tigers fans think about Natto
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: after that. I can't wait liking zach netto Moore, It's like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: all right, I take that guy on my team.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: I want someone who's not afraid to draw rek school a.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Little, especially when you're in the midst of a losing streak,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like like like or you know, losing you
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: know so many games and so many days or whatever
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: like that's uh, the guy still cares. That's awesome. H
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And also Trek also looked kind of confused, like like
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: AJ's like talking to him, He's like, yeah, I'm good whatever, dude,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Like what like what what?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: What?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Like You're you're kind of wasting your time talking with me.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Look good, Let's just ball up, you know, yeah, ball
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you know yeah, uh.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Check just chick man.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of like emotions and keeping the cool kind
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: of like all in the same moment, we hid ourselves
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a play and we're gonna play here, and then we
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: have center fielder Extraordinary Austin Jackson on the podcast. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: what else are we gonna do when we have a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: great play at center field? We're gonna get Austin's reaction.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Right after we played this video, Cody Roll the tap.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Hobby Bias, center fielder extraordinary, just like we all.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Thought, Okay, I'll get it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: It's a couple sections over there's a long fly ball
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: center field, Bias tailing it back.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: He's at the wall to Hobby.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that was AJX level. That was yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: right there, you gotta watch.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Let me give them approval, let me see you all day.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: That's money right there. And then first of all, mine
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh again, don't worry about it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I got you, bro, Relax. You know what I'm saying
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: that that looks so calm. Like we keep talking about
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: how it looks very natural for Hobby out there, man,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and and we spoke about it maybe a couple podcasts go,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: maybe even last time, I'm not sure, but just how
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: comfortable it looks for him, like the plays that he makes,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the routes that he takes, the athleticism out there, man,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: it's it's there. And this is the reason why you
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: really can't sleep on Hobby because these are the type
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: of things he's able to do. If he's not able
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: to come through with the bat, he's able to do
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: things like this, like take runs off the board. That
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: is what you want. This is why he can continue
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: to stay in that lineup because what he can do
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: with that glove. It's not always like I've always heard
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: this when when I'm not hitting, nobody is hitting. That's
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: that's from my man, Tory Hunter right there, shout shout
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: now that if I ain't hidden, you ain't hitting. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I know they played together, so I know it was
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: even more of a of a special moment, like I
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: got you. I know he was talking trash to him
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: after that, But it's just it's really impressive to see
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: because we don't we don't think of him as an outfielder, right,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: we don't think of him as an outfielder. But when
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: you go out there, when you when you watch these
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: games and you see what he's able to do in
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the outfield, and lets you know that this is a
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: guy that you you you got to keep him in there.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: You got to keep find a way to keep him
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in the line. We talk I talked about being able
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: to plug guys in. You know, they got a couple
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: guys hurt right now, and that's gonna give them a
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: boost when they come back. But when you're able to
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: plug hobby or bias out out there in the biggest
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: part of the field, center field, and he's able to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: do things like that, dude, that just adds so much
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: more depth to your team, to the lineup, to the
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: defensive positioning. When you don't have to worry about center
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: field being an issue right now, He's he's the man
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: out there. He can do it. And again later in
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the season, say somebody needs a blow. You got Hobby
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: that is showing right now that he's capable of stepping
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: into that position and plan it just as just as
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: at a high level as anybody right now.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I keep getting a lot of questions asking like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: what's gonna happen when Matt Vierling comes back, when Parker
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Meadows gets back, when Parker Metals gets back. I don't
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: think we're gonna see much a Hobby in center field.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: But to Austin's point, knowing that that's a possibility, you
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: got a tough lefty on the mound one day, or
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Parker just needs a blow, like that's now an option
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: in your tool bag. I'm even I'm more fascinated. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: you know the coming days, when Vierling gets activated, it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Matt Vierlin go into centerfield, or you just roll with
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Hobby out there for a little bit longer. I don't
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: know exactly how the Tigers are going to handle that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I think AJ Hinch will probably have even more fun
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: drawing up some lineups, given you know the option as
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: disposal and base on what we've seen so far no
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: offense to Matt Vierling, but I think Hobby buys might
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: be the better defender in center field. So we're gonna
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: have some really interesting roster wrinkles ahead. A lot of
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: it will probably sort itself out in another month from now.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Don't wish anyone to get injured, but probably someone else
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: will have to go on the il or someone will
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: start slumping. I want I didn't want to talk about Hobby. Uh,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Hobby at the plate a little bit because sitting three
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: oh nine he has an eight twenty nine ops and
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh my gosh, this is like vintage Hobby.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: And then you to be to be the bearer of
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: bad news. You click on his Baseball Savant page and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: it's like, oh wait, what, how's how's he doing this
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: because there's a lot of blue on there. His average
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: exit velocity eighty six point eight miles an hour. It's
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the lowest of his entire career. Hard hit rate thirty
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: one percent, the lowest of his entire career. The underlying metrics, unfortunately,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: are not very good right now. The chase rate is
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: a little bit lower, but it's thirty nine percent, bottom
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: three third percent Isle on all of baseball. He still
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: chases a lot. Good to see Avey turn on the
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: power a little bit. I love watching him when he's
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: in it, when he's impactful, But when you start crunching
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: the numbers and asking like can he keep doing this? Hmm,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: there's not a lot of the signs you want to
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: see that will continue at.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: The play well. So a couple of things. One anecdote
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: from me. I was traveling this weekend. I was in
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: a state where he could, you know, lay some bets,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: So I was gonna I did the same game parlay
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: with the Tigers on on Friday and or Thursday, I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: should say, And I was like, you know, I'll do
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: ja handed hit a home run in this like five
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: legger because you know, maybe he's due or whatever. I
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was gonna do hobbyer, but I was like, he's not
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: homering him back to back games and then that's the
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: only leg that lost, and then he and then of
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: course he homers in the next game. So he hits
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a home run in three consecutive games. So that's that's
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Hobby being Hobby and me trying to be critical and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: analyzing and just goes out the door. So that's just
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: an anecdote. Number two with like sort of like a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: kind of big picture, like real macro perspective, is that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Javier leads I say Hobby actually for here, Hobby leads
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the team position players in WAR. He's got one point
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: five WAR right now, he's ninth. I think I saw
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: among two players. I don't know if it was an American
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: league or probably just an American league, but you know, regardless
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: American League or Major league, it's impressive. And it's almost
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: to the point to that his contributions right now are
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: kind of worth a whole season of like all right,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: we like like if you would have taken this.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, literally accumulated more value than in the past two years,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: you know, negative war from here on out. But yeah, yeah,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: so like.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You you like, if they achieve anything this year, say
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: like a division championship, which they are pretty good favorites
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: right now. I just looked at the odds. Uh, it's
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent does not happen without Javier or Baias
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: with his contributions to this point on May fifth, So like, like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: these concerns you have are real, Cody, but like, damn it,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: his fielding run values a eight percent tile on baseball Sat.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: His range is in the ninety two percent tile on
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: baseball Samant. We still don't really have They don't have
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a gauge on his arm yet. I'll be curious whenever
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he has enough qualifying opportunities to get that. But he
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you look at these metrics, you would think he'd be
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: batting one ninety five like with the offensive stuff. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: he's either picking his spots really well, or he's been
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: lucky for the better part of almost you know, forty
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: games throughout many he's played. So I don't know right
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: All I know is that right now, whatever it is,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: it's working awestin.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Man, I agree one hundred this is you know, are
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: we going to see the hobby of old I don't know.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: You know, he's on a borrowed hip. I don't know.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: You asked anybody who got a new hip, a new replacement.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: They always like, man, I should have did this twenty
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: years ago, and then should they get out there and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: try to hoop it? He like, yeah, but I don't
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: feel it though. It ain't got that spring get it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So you understand, you know, he is coming off off
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: of injury, and time will tell how that that that
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: hip is the hip right? Was the hip right? Yeah?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: It was? It was some stuff. So but I like
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the position in the role that they have him in
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: because to me, it kind of takes the pressure off
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: of me having to be a certain type of player.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I just have to go out there and focus on
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: being a baseball player. I don't have to worry about
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: trying to be because because again with the injury and
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: just where he's at in his career, I don't think
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: that that he needs to focus on that the metrics
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: and all that. I get what you're saying, Cody, Like
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I get it that that that does have you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: some some there is something to kind of you know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: look at like this going to be sustainable, but at
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: the type of game that he's playing, I think it
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: just it fits in. It molds with this Tiger lineup
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: in this this this the style of play that they play, Like,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: that's how Hobby plays. That's the type of baseball Hobby plays.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: He's he's a scrapper, he's a slasher. You know, I
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: think he's always been that way, but obviously, you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: when you're younger, you're fresher. You know, he had that
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: short stop position but now I think you're seeing a
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: dude that has aged a little bit and he's able
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to transition some of those skills that he had when
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: he was younger into different positions right now. Like I
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: keep mentioning the athleticism, I still think clearly by that play,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the athleticism is still there. So put him in roles
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: to help him succeed, to help the team succeed. He
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be the star. I don't Again, I
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: don't know if you're gonna get that hobby again. But
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: if you, like you just said his war, I mean,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: everybody goes off war all the time. That's that's a
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: big thing. So that means he is definitely contributing to
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: what this Tiger's team is doing right now. I mean,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: in the last what seven games, you know, I you know,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I ain't a big stat guy, but I'm gonna pull
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: up a little stat last nine runs, nine hits, read,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: three homers, nine Ribby's, one walk, five strikeouts.
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: That's I think that's one thing that that you have
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: to look at with Hovey. If he starts, you know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: swinging wildly, but so far he's been pretty controlled in
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: the zone. His swing looks pretty controlled zon base four
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: twenty three in the last seven games. I mean, hey,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: if the guy can get on base and make things
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: happen on base, hey, I mean this can help a
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: team win. How long can he sustain that, I don't know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: But there's other ways he can contribute with what we're
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: seeing on the defensive end. And that's that's why I
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: think that you have to keep him plugged in. And
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: not only that, but his experience, his his playoff experience,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: his World Series experience, like that means something. And today
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: that might be a little bit of a lost start,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: but that definitely means something. A guy that's been there
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: and that that's done it, but can kind of help,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you know, get those guys through those tough because those
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: tough days that that that definitely helps when you gotta
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: have a guy that's been there, and I think he
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: is that guy. We just got to see him in
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: a different role and I think he has to continue
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: to be this type of player. Uh, don't try to
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: do the things that you used to. When he's feeling good,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: you're gonna see it. Like some of those home runs
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: that ball clicked in LA day, that ball was that
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: that's that's old hoppy. You know, his swing just looks
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: a lot more controlled. He looks like he's starting to
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: settle in some it looks like the body is feeling good.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: That's what you have to worry about. How's his body
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: gonna respond after all of these games in center field.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of running. That's a lot more running
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: than he's had to do, you know, in the past.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: So you know, you you definitely want to just keep
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: working him in these roles and seeing how he can
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: contribute because he's able to do it. He has too
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: many tools to just you know, just be a guy
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: that just over there.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: You got to use them, just be a baseball player.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: And I've always I've always kind of like done the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: comparison between him and Russell Westbrook and the two guys
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that had this really high peak and then and like
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: real intense, you know, really like you know, flashy players
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: at times, and then as age kind of crept up.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: But Russell's had a little bit of a of a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: renaissance as well on Denver, So like, you know, the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: parallel continues there. All right, let's let's let's let's wrap
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: up with the other part of the maida conversation, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we saw we saw Tyler Owens make his major league debut.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: He he came in twice. I'm not sure that was
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: originally a plan, but good good on him. He pitched
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: two innings and uh, let's se allowed one hit, got
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: his got himself a strikeout, and uh and another one
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of those interesting pieces Cody that we were we talked
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: about him in spring training and and you know where
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: he might fit. He's obviously was I'm always gonna confuse him.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Was he in the Schafing deal or the deal?
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, they all feel like the same trade they got
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: him from the Rangers. Let's just go with that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I'll look that up in a second. But he comes
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: over like he could be another like you know, one
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of those like really savvy moves by Scott Harris where
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you get some value for a player that you didn't
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: necessarily like need or whatever. It was the Keller Kelly
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Kelly trade. So so, anyway, what'd you kind of think
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: of your first glimpse of major league Tyler Rowans.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Owens was along with how you Lee,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: probably the guy, you know, somewhat under the radar, guy
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: we heard the most about all spring. Tiger's officials seem
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: to really like him. Obviously they traded for him for
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: a reason. Seems like a good guy. He's interesting. Just
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: just go look at him if you don't know why.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: He's interesting. That the Jesus or as Hovey Bias called him,
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Haesus's look is a lot of fun. And then you
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: know he's listed at five to ten. We've talked about
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: like our short pictures coming back because it's like a
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: deceptive armslot, and this guy throws from a deceptive arm slot.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: There's some life on the fastball. I'll be curious to
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: see kind of what to make of him the one downside,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: and I've heard this from multiple scouts and you can
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: see it. He does have kind of this heave ho delivery,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: and I think that adds some deception, like he almost
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: hides the ball with his elbow. That's kind of just like,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: is he going to be able to command the ball?
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: He's struggled with walks on and off in the minor leagues.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Can his location be precise enough to get major league
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: hitters out? I think that'll be the thing to look for.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: But the Tigers like this guy, and we've generally figured
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: out when they like a pitcher, it's for good reason.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, It'll be very interesting. I know we
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: talked about it earlier, but to see how his fastball
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: plays up in the zone against these major league hitters.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: You know, the game has changed, its evolved to the
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: top of that strike zone. And we talked about him
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: kind of having like a little bit of an upshoot
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: on his fastball, like a ride. It's like me, I'm
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I'm under that all day. But nowadays, these guys are
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: able to get on top of that fastball. So his
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: ball really has a lot it has some life on it,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: but it can it can straighten now that time. So
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I'm really curious to see how that's gonna play against
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: some of these teams that really can you know, get
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: to that fastball at the top of his own. It
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: might be something where he has to make some adjustment
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: mixing some other pitches to be able to get them
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: off of that. But it definitely has some life on it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: And we talk about the short pitchers, you know that
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: they there's something to that. It definitely is something to that.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: It's a different arm angle, it's it's a you're seeing
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: the ball different. It's coming out of a different window.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: There was some you know, some some pretty loud contact.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: But I just think that that's another testament to his
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: ball just kind of being straight. I think that he
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: has enough life on that fastball to where if he
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: can get hitters off of that that that will definitely play.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna call him young Jaba man. I saw.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, young Joba right there. Man out
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: there with that beard. I like, hey, you know, I
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: gotta stick with the boy. The beard man. He had
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: that thing rocket. I'm gonna see what he put in it,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Like kind of old you put in that thing, bro
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: grow like that might get stringy. It looked like, you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: I'm like, dang, he got that thing working. But seriously, though,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: it is something to to to to say that the Tigers,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, really trust him and they
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: saw something to him that that they think that he
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: can help this team, uh you know, in the in
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the future. So it'll be interesting to see how he
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: how he fits in that that bullpen.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh. And and as we always do,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: we we love we love major league debuts because you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the accomplishment of a lifelong dream. Uh. Sometimes you right,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: about the game. You talk about the game, you played
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the game. Sometimes you get jaded about certain things. One
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: thing that never be jaded about a kid met, you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: getting to the big leagues. It never never gets old.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So congratulations Tyrol, Tyler Ones and uh and his family there.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Well, that was fun. That was fun. That was uh,
• 40:06
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• 40:08
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• 40:09
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• 40:11
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